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one. Emergency

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to start. I

1:13

have never hit the record button

1:15

as fast as I wanted

1:17

to here. And we had a lot of

1:19

technical issues that was holding us back. But

1:22

Tristan told me something and it got me

1:24

so excited because I had no idea. Tristan,

1:26

what did you tell me before we started

1:28

recording? So I remembered wrong,

1:31

unfortunately, but you had been quoted

1:33

in variety. What happened

1:35

was to kind of get

1:37

the full thing is that I was

1:39

on Google like anybody who has a

1:42

Pixel or an Android phone knows there's

1:44

like the far left column where you

1:46

just get like scattered algorithmically chosen news

1:48

stories. Yeah, the radical left column. The

1:50

radical left column where you just get

1:52

random news. And for me, algorithmically, it

1:54

says that I want Baldur's Gate News

1:58

chat, GPT developments. and

2:01

just random bullshit. But then, so

2:03

I was looking at these the other

2:05

day, and I get a

2:07

pop-up that says, our Netflix series

2:09

is toning down soccer, but fans don't

2:12

agree with the change. Quote, we gotta

2:14

stop with needing faves to be unproblematic.

2:16

And I was like, that sounds suspiciously

2:18

close to the tweet that Scott put

2:20

out earlier today on that topic. And

2:23

so I did numbers.

2:26

I tweeted it, and

2:28

then like four minutes later, it

2:30

had like a thousand likes. I'm just like,

2:33

that is so much for me. And now

2:35

it's like hundreds of thousands of people have

2:37

seen it, and potentially millions of people have

2:39

seen it, but hundreds of thousands of people

2:42

have liked it. I don't know what happened.

2:44

I think I just hit the algorithm exactly

2:46

right, talking about this. And I muted it

2:49

so quickly. I do that every time

2:51

a tweet of mine takes off. So

2:53

I had no idea that news publications

2:55

picked up on it, and were like.

2:57

So the only one that I could

2:59

pick up, so that headline was

3:01

from GamezRadarPlus, not Variety, but I

3:03

think it's because Variety was the

3:05

story that, like did

3:07

the story that you were reacting to when they

3:10

mentioned that soccer's not gonna be sexist anymore. Which,

3:12

yeah, as you mentioned, as like you kind of

3:14

point out, that's like the entire arc of his

3:16

character with the whole Kyoshi Warriors thing, and it'll

3:18

be a big part of season one. His

3:21

entire storyline is based on him overcoming

3:23

his sort of chauvinism, right?

3:25

Yeah, sorry. If you're not a fan

3:27

of Avatar The Last Airbender, just ignore

3:30

us for the next couple of minutes. But

3:32

basically, yeah, one of the main characters, Sokka,

3:34

the older brother, is intentionally sexist so that

3:37

he can learn not to be. And that

3:39

was sort of what my tweet was about,

3:41

is like they were saying, we're gonna tone

3:43

down the sexism in the live action show.

3:46

And I was like, that misses the point

3:48

entirely, because he's a character that teaches you

3:50

not to be sexist. So it's so weird.

3:52

Yeah, he acts sexist, and then the Kyoshi

3:55

Warrior kicks his ass. Like that's the whole

3:57

shtick. Yeah, it's great. It's

3:59

fantastic. And then afterwards, I think it's in the

4:01

same episode or later on, he learns

4:04

how to fight from the Kyoshi Warriors.

4:08

It's called a character arc. We don't

4:10

have those in media anymore, but characters

4:12

start off with flaws that then change

4:14

over time as they become better people.

4:16

That's like sort of the heroes used

4:18

to go on journeys to become better

4:20

people and now they- And

4:22

learn stuff and grow and yeah, yeah, yeah. And

4:25

now all of your main characters have to

4:27

be unproblematic. So according to Brad, Brad Russell,

4:30

the person who wrote this article, Bradley

4:32

Russell, we got the quote here that

4:34

says, we gotta stop needing saves to

4:36

be unproblematic wrote quote one wrote on

4:39

Twitter. Didn't even use my name.

4:43

One wrote on Twitter that

4:45

this very popularly picked. Thanks

4:47

Brad. Thanks Brad. Not

4:50

always one of it's probably not aliens.

4:52

Yeah, because they go on to the

4:54

next paragraph. Brad quotes another

4:56

tweet from actor Nicole Maines.

4:58

He uses her name. To

5:01

be fair, to be fair, knowing how journalists

5:03

like- I know

5:05

I wasn't the star of

5:07

a CW Supergirl show like

5:09

Nicole Maines was, but I

5:11

matter also in

5:14

some small way. It's probably

5:16

not aliens host or Scooby

5:18

Doo. Scooby Doo enthusiasts. Yeah.

5:22

So there's probably two reasons. One,

5:24

journalists work under insane- he probably

5:26

had like half an hour to

5:28

write this article. And then second,

5:30

trying to choose what to call

5:32

you is kind of a complicated

5:34

thing. They use my words in

5:37

the title of the article. You

5:40

should have definitely been named if your words end

5:42

up as the headline. But

5:45

also journalists fairly often do not get to

5:47

choose their own headline. That's usually the editor.

5:50

All right. Not Brad's fault. Either way. It's

5:52

Brad's boss. All right, Brad. You know what?

5:55

Don't be mean to Brad. Brad's probably fine.

5:57

Don't be mean to Brad. He's just doing

5:59

his job. Brad's

6:01

doing their job, but still, that

6:04

was so funny to me. I

6:06

had no idea. Anyway, this has

6:09

been Avatar the Last Ever Vendor live action

6:12

news for everybody. Yeah,

6:15

so there's that hyper focus. Then my

6:17

hyper focus yesterday was just apparently the

6:20

whole thing that there was a

6:22

convoluted set of rumors that was

6:24

implying that Larry in Studios is

6:26

going to buy D&D. Like

6:29

the entire IP yesterday because Tencent

6:31

was going to step in and buy it,

6:33

but apparently they're starting to dispel rumors of

6:35

that too. I imagine it's preliminary talks or

6:37

something, but that was the thing. But I

6:39

actually have a real cold

6:41

open story that we need to cover because

6:43

it's been the topic of several episodes in

6:45

a row now, which is that the city

6:48

has cracked down on our

6:50

subterranean mining woman, the subterranean

6:52

Minecraft lady. Okay, this

6:54

is the real news. I promise,

6:56

I know that this is a podcast

6:59

about ancient aliens and ancient astronaut theory, and

7:01

we will get to that. We will get to

7:03

that. We just have tons of bullshit to start

7:05

with. This is

7:07

a much needed follow up. We've been talking

7:10

about the TikTok lady who has been

7:12

digging a mine under her home

7:14

for seemingly no reason. I got

7:16

to know what the follow up

7:18

is. Basically it's an

7:21

interesting and also kind of sweet story, which

7:23

is that some people showed

7:25

some, let's just say concerns about

7:27

the safety or legality of doing

7:30

this, including some of her neighbors who

7:32

worried like, hey, maybe if you're digging

7:34

a network of tunnels under my house,

7:36

that could cause problems for me. So

7:41

apparently town officials in her hometown

7:43

put in a stop work order

7:45

to her and demand that she

7:47

immediately stop and have her mind

7:50

be evaluated by a professional engineer

7:52

because it might be breaking the

7:54

uniform statewide building code to say

7:56

the least. Yeah. But

7:59

here's the thing. that apparently not only

8:01

like the TikTok lady, she does intend to

8:03

resume work once like the approvals and permits

8:05

get put in place, but apparently also like

8:07

her neighbors were sheepish about like complaining about

8:09

it. And they were also like, we would

8:11

love for her to get her mind back

8:14

up and running because it's kind of like

8:16

a cool thing that's happening on our street.

8:18

So like, apparently like the town is also

8:20

on board with the mind. They just like

8:22

are like for legal and safety reasons we

8:24

have to like make sure she's above board.

8:27

Yeah. So basically she's getting to the point

8:29

where like she intends to get

8:31

everything legal and above board to continue

8:33

the TikTok mind. While.

8:36

Yeah. Don't you think that sort of takes

8:38

away from the fun of it all though?

8:40

The fact that it was borderline illegal. Yeah.

8:42

But also this probably would result in her

8:45

having a much lower chance of dying.

8:47

So yes, I, I'm not saying they

8:49

shouldn't have done this. I'm glad

8:51

that everything's going to be above board.

8:54

I'm just saying the excitement on like

8:56

a, on like a caveman, like reptile

8:58

brain level of like, but isn't it

9:00

kind of exciting that it was illegal

9:02

though? The smartest action would have been

9:04

is that if this happened, but then

9:06

nobody said it and they just kind

9:08

of continued while it was above like

9:10

continue with it being above board and

9:12

legal. But don't say it. But

9:15

don't publicly say that it's above board. Yeah. It's

9:17

like when you find out that like there was

9:19

a, there was a buffet tray at the survivor

9:21

islands. Like, you know, it's just like,

9:24

right. We don't talk about it. It

9:27

takes away from the fun. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Like

9:29

Bear Grylls having like experts around to like help

9:31

him out. And he's like, while he's pretending to

9:33

be, he's like, all right, once we're done shooting

9:36

for the night, we're going to go to the

9:38

hotel. Right? Yeah. That's how that makes some noise.

9:40

But is like the most true one where it's

9:42

like Bear Grylls, no, like he was like right

9:44

by water. He just wanted to drink the pig.

9:47

He wanted to drink his own pee. That's just

9:49

a little freak. I Speaking

9:51

of little freaks, welcome to it's probably not

9:53

aliens, I podcast about ancient astronaut theory, ancient

9:57

ancient aliens, pseudo history, archaeology

9:59

pseudo science, all the all the

10:01

all the crankery with a

10:03

sci-fi bent is our shtick. You

10:05

know what? I also this is

10:07

also going to be some much needed follow

10:10

up that I will check on really quickly

10:12

and maybe you know the answer to this.

10:14

Did we ever come to a conclusion of

10:16

what our listeners are called? Either comrades or

10:18

space potatoes. Space potatoes narrowly won. But yeah,

10:21

welcome to our little freaks,

10:23

the space potatoes who listen

10:25

to this show. My name is Scott Nice

10:27

Wonder. I'm the host of the show that

10:29

knows nothing except for

10:32

apparently very basic arcs

10:34

in Avatar the Last

10:36

Airbender and why they're

10:38

important. The end. That's

10:40

what I do on this show. I am the other side

10:42

of this duo. I also wrote

10:44

like a random piece of lore mythology

10:47

on our Twitter feed a few last

10:49

week, but I am the I am

10:51

the TV of knowledge and sadness while

10:53

you are the the empty the small

10:55

headed empty minded. Thank you. TV

10:57

of happiness and I am the the one burdened

11:00

with wisdom and sadness. Everyone

11:02

was like, I don't we didn't talk about

11:04

that before you posted it. You just post.

11:07

I don't even know what inspired

11:09

that probably have our own canon

11:11

creation myth. I'll tell you what

11:13

inspired it. It's on my

11:16

desk right now. This the users won't

11:18

be able to see this nor can we

11:20

talk about it legally probably because of the

11:22

United States. But this is no, I mean

11:24

it is a cannabis paper. That's the thing

11:26

that alters your mind, I guess you could

11:29

say. Yeah, it's cannabis vaporizer and that kind

11:31

of inspired it. But yeah, I'm just I'm the

11:33

one who has spent

11:35

his life going after

11:37

cranks for a living and we thank

11:40

you for it. Well, I

11:43

am very much the I am very much the

11:45

epitome of thanks. I hate it. And

11:49

nowhere is that more clear as we

11:51

continue our series of ancient

11:53

aliens and the Third Reich. Oh

11:56

boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. So

11:58

so what are we talking about today? actually talk, this

12:01

is the actual podcast now, thank you

12:03

for indulging. Yes, thank you for our

12:05

Avatar the Last Airbender slash TikTok Mine

12:07

discourse. Okay, so today we are talking

12:10

about nukes. So, not

12:12

for the first time on this podcast. No, I

12:14

was going to say we've done this before. But

12:16

as we're kind of, as I'm delving through the

12:20

ancient aliens, not the

12:22

episode, there was one little interaction,

12:24

five minutes, maybe, of the episode

12:26

where they're sort of like, the

12:28

whole episode's plot is trying to

12:30

build this claim that the Nazis had

12:32

extraterrestrial knowledge,

12:34

either through a crashed UFO

12:37

that crashed in somewhere around

12:39

Freiburg, which is going to

12:41

be an episode in

12:43

our future, I imagine. But another one

12:45

was that they like, you know, did

12:47

all the Nazi archaeology, they went all

12:49

over the Middle East and India looking

12:51

for those places that we talked about.

12:53

I forgot to do the claim sound.

12:55

Here, let's do that. And then where

12:57

did I put it? Right here. Millions

13:02

of people around the world believe

13:04

that Germany made early breakthroughs in

13:07

atomic energy and atomic power, because

13:09

either they had their hands on

13:11

alien technology, or they found secrets

13:14

placed in places like Sodom and

13:16

Gomorrah or Mokhenjo-Dara, which might be

13:18

familiar terms to real old hat

13:21

potatoes. Yeah, we've done episodes about

13:23

both Sodom and Gomorrah and Mokhenjo-Dara.

13:26

Yeah. So then, the question is,

13:28

did Hitler and the Nazis uncover

13:30

ancient atomic secrets and how close did

13:32

they come to developing this ultimate doomsday

13:35

weapon? And first of all, that also

13:37

the Nazis gave up on their atomic

13:39

weapons program, was it because of completely

13:41

logical reasons that I might get to

13:43

later in this episode? Or

13:45

was it because they actually found more

13:47

powerful super weapons? Whoa.

13:53

Sorry, the sound board's back up and

13:55

running. I can't not use it. Yeah.

13:58

So that's what we're investigating today. did

14:00

the Nazis learn atomic power

14:02

through either looking at old

14:04

nuke sites that aliens did

14:06

in like India or the

14:09

Middle East or did they

14:11

develop it because they were reverse engineering

14:13

nuclear technology from a UFO that crashed

14:15

in Freiburg? Those are the only two

14:17

answers. That's it. And

14:19

we're going to investigate both of

14:21

those and presumably nothing else. Yeah.

14:24

So let's start with the first thing that

14:27

the idea that the Nazis did atomic,

14:29

like they had early atomic breakthroughs and

14:31

that was due to assistance from alien

14:33

technology. That's the first theory. The second

14:35

thing they're positing is that they found

14:38

this while going to places like India

14:40

and the Middle East because ancient aliens

14:42

has made the claim that ancient civilizations

14:44

had access to nuclear technology, which they

14:46

then harnessed. But there's no evidence of

14:49

that, which is a little bit slow.

14:51

But if you want to figure out

14:53

the those claims like about

14:55

Mohenjo-Daro and Sodom and Gomorrah being

14:57

the sites of nuclear blasts, I'll

14:59

point you to episodes 58 for

15:01

Sodom and Gomorrah and 44 for

15:03

Mohenjo-Daro, which I'm realizing was almost

15:06

100 episodes ago. So Jesus. I

15:09

said to Scott to begin this episode, and this

15:11

probably going to have to be a way that

15:13

we sketch, we run our episodes in the future,

15:15

is that we'll kind of brush over some of

15:17

the claims and debunkings because we've already debunked them

15:20

in other episodes. But at least when we do

15:22

that, I'll try to point you to where to

15:24

listen and give you a brief rundown in case you

15:26

don't want to listen to another two hours of content.

15:28

But basically, I cannot believe we've been

15:30

doing this show for so long. Yeah,

15:33

almost three years. Actually,

15:35

in March, it'll be three years since we

15:37

started. Since we started recording. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

15:40

Absolutely wild. Yeah, back to Nazis. Great.

15:43

Love it. The general vibe of these

15:45

two things is that ancient aliens has

15:47

claimed that these places were the sites

15:49

of nuclear explosions, as written in the

15:52

mythology of the two events.

15:54

Sodom and Gomorrah, we kind of broke

15:56

down, might have been the site of

15:58

something akin to a meteor. strike, and

16:00

that is like there's like a kind of

16:03

growing interesting line of evidence that there might

16:05

have been a meteor strike around the Sodom

16:07

and Gomorrah region that might have been the

16:09

inspiration of the Sodom and Gomorrah story of

16:11

the Bible. Oh, that's interesting. And

16:13

the Mohenjo-Daro thing is just a

16:16

regular city that probably got attacked

16:18

by raiders. Alien raiders?

16:21

Probably other nomadic people who raided the

16:24

town. Okay, for sure. The

16:26

general vibe of that is that because

16:29

in Hindu mythology they have these

16:31

things called Brahma weapons, because we

16:33

talked about Hinduism, an extremely metal

16:35

religion. Everything is big and epic

16:37

and explosions and billions of years.

16:41

It's as if Dragon Force made a

16:43

religion. Yeah,

16:46

that's a good way to put it. So,

16:50

in Hinduism there are these things called

16:52

Brahma weapons, which are like mythological, like

16:54

mystical weapons, like Excalibur, but they're like

16:57

a bow that when it shoots arrows

16:59

can destroy entire cities and make them unlivable

17:01

for centuries. And ancient aliens are like, oh, that's

17:03

a nuke. And it's like, no. And

17:06

we got into both of those in those two episodes.

17:08

So that's sort of the thing we're going for with

17:10

that. And then the idea

17:12

that Hitler then abandoned the atomic

17:15

weapons program because they actually had

17:17

better things like the sort of

17:19

UFO that Victor Schauberger was developing

17:21

that we talked about last week,

17:24

or other sort of things in

17:26

their Wunderwaffe program that we talked

17:28

about where the Nazis were secretly

17:30

developing all sorts of super weapons that were

17:34

just about to hit the market or whatever,

17:36

and then the war ended. And this is

17:38

sort of like an ongoing thing in our

17:41

crank history of the Nazis and

17:43

has some roots

17:45

in sort of weird esoteric ship that

17:48

the Nazis got into and also a

17:50

sort of like engineering program developed during

17:52

the end of the war that was

17:54

sort of an act of desperation to

17:56

try and find anything that could stop

17:59

the Soviet Union. Union from basically

18:01

just devouring their entire empire. Yeah,

18:03

yeah, yeah. Because like, yeah,

18:05

the Russians were just like, like they were they

18:07

were just like, you know, they're like, no matter

18:10

how many people we kill, the Russians just keep

18:12

having more people. We cannot stop them. How do

18:14

they do it? Yeah. And so

18:16

like, that's sort of, that's that sort of came out. And

18:18

also, yeah, just like trying to figure out how do we

18:20

use all of these leftover Navy parts because we can't have

18:22

a Navy anymore because we've lost the Battle of Sea and

18:24

that kind of stuff. So that's, that's like,

18:26

they were desperate. Yeah, they were desperate. And so

18:28

they were like, let's find anything that can work. But

18:31

like those kinds of those two things have

18:33

kind of turned into a mythology that the

18:36

Nazis had secret super weapons that they were

18:38

working on. And right, obviously, that is true

18:40

because the Germans won World War

18:42

Two with all of those super weapons. And they did

18:44

it. And now look at us. We're

18:47

all speaking German. Yeah, nice. Wander.

18:50

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no German names. Yeah, that's

18:52

true. Scott. I'm pretty sure

18:54

I'm pretty sure Scott

18:56

is Scottish. I if I had

18:58

to guess. Yes. Anyway,

19:00

anyway, let's look into these actual

19:03

things. That's that's we're

19:05

going to let's do it. So first, let's

19:07

start with the historical accuracy of their claims

19:10

to the capabilities. So first of all, there

19:12

is we do have to give some concessions

19:14

because one, yes, Nazi Germany did indeed do

19:17

research related to developing nuclear

19:19

weapons. This is a verified

19:21

fact. They

19:23

had roped in

19:25

key figures like Werner Heisenberg, the

19:27

person of the Heisenberg uncertainty principles

19:31

and had other and had other

19:33

people like other top like German

19:36

nuclear physicists working on this program. But

19:38

they had a lot of changes or they had

19:41

a lot of challenges to get it going because,

19:43

well, I'll get into it in detail later. But

19:45

they basically ran into a lot of

19:47

issues. And we did find neither the

19:49

end of the war through Allied intelligence like

19:52

became they came they did develop an atom

19:54

weapons program that began in 1939, but they

19:56

never actually came

19:59

close to developing a. functional nuclear bomb. The

20:01

program was abandoned very early on

20:03

and never really amounted to anything.

20:05

But it did exist. That's

20:07

the main thing. And that's been held

20:10

in contrast to the program that did

20:12

successfully develop a nuclear bomb, which was

20:14

the Manhattan Project, which happened in the

20:17

United States, which was a collaborative effort

20:19

between the United States, the UK, and

20:21

Canada, and involved tons of nuclear researchers

20:24

and a key part

20:26

of this whole process, access to a

20:28

huge resource network that included things like

20:30

getting the absolutely absurd amounts of uranium

20:32

that you need to purify

20:34

and refine to turn into plutonium

20:37

in order to make a successful

20:39

nuclear bomb. It's an important

20:41

ingredient. That's why you ever

20:43

wonder why when people are talking

20:46

about countries developing nuclear bombs, they're

20:48

always talking about centrifuges and stuff

20:50

like that? Because that's the technology

20:52

you need for refining uranium into

20:54

something that is step

20:56

zero. You need to turn the rocks into spicy

20:58

enough rocks that you can then use them for

21:01

a fission explosion or a fusion explosion. Get into

21:03

that in a second. But that is sort of

21:05

like when you find out that they're developing centrifuges.

21:07

It's like, oh, you're not just trying to build

21:09

a nuclear power plant. You're trying to build a

21:11

bomb. The big one you might remember if you're

21:13

as sad and

21:16

masochistic as I am and you follow the

21:18

news to the extent I do. But if

21:20

you remember that Iran... So I was in

21:22

the news. Yeah, you've been there. But with

21:25

their centrifuges breaking down, it turned out that

21:27

it was like a Israeli virus that was

21:29

being installed on there. Where the centrifuges

21:31

were... They installed a virus that was

21:34

making the centrifuges work improperly and was

21:36

making them break down faster in order

21:38

to slow down Iran's nuclear weapons development

21:41

program. That's sort of a part of

21:43

that. Cyber warfare. That is very literal

21:45

cyber warfare. But they didn't abandon... The

21:49

thing is that the evidence shows, especially

21:51

through people who would be very interested

21:53

in what the Germans were doing in

21:55

their nuclear weapons program, i.e. Allied spies

21:57

in Germany during the war, the show

21:59

that... they abandoned due to they didn't

22:01

abandon because they had better things they've they

22:04

stopped it because they were they realized that

22:06

they were being outpaced and they were out

22:09

resourced by the Allied powers and Germany sort

22:11

of like if you think about one of

22:13

the things about World War two is you

22:15

have to kind of think of it like

22:17

Germany had no Empire right they had no

22:19

like you know Britain had India had like

22:21

you know the Middle East it had like

22:24

vast like colonies across the world the United

22:26

States had had a vast like you know

22:28

industrial base because America is like the third

22:30

largest country on earth and has tons of natural

22:32

resources Russia the biggest country

22:35

or Soviet Union the biggest country

22:37

on earth and had access to

22:39

almost like like huge

22:41

reserves of oil and natural

22:43

gas Germany with its allies

22:46

being Italy and Japan had

22:48

like no access to gasoline

22:50

and like like they

22:53

developed the whole idea of making synthetic

22:55

rubber because they couldn't get access to

22:57

actual rubber oh yeah like

22:59

they so if you think about like

23:02

a lot of what Germany was trying to

23:04

do in the war and it informed their

23:06

strategy is that they needed to win fast

23:08

and early because they did

23:10

not have the sort of depths of

23:12

personnel and resources in order to fight

23:14

a long protracted war so as the

23:17

work that you know have that supply

23:19

chain yeah and as I kind of

23:21

implied with the Manhattan project is that

23:23

to make a nuclear bomb you need

23:25

an astonishing amount of resources to make

23:28

happen Italy didn't have spicy rocks they

23:30

had spicy meatballs oh that's my joke of

23:32

the episode there you go and you're welcome

23:34

everyone have that fun like if you

23:36

think about it uranium is like about as rare

23:39

as silver uh-huh and then you think about you

23:41

have to sorry that I'm gonna

23:43

put that I'm gonna edit that earlier I want to

23:45

fast enough on it sorry you go for it I

23:47

guess all right yeah that's fine I know but uranium

23:49

is about as rare as silver and has to be

23:52

like highly refined in order to function right so the

23:54

whole thing and and so like like the fact is

23:56

like they just didn't have the they

23:58

didn't have the resources and will learn later,

24:00

they also didn't have the people to develop this

24:02

program and develop the science this fast. And the

24:04

Manhattan Project was kind of just the fact that

24:07

like the United States was able to wield

24:09

huge amounts of resources through

24:12

them and their allies to

24:14

make it happen. There's

24:16

also not, sometimes

24:18

I feel like I look at my own notes and I'm like,

24:20

I'm stating the obvious here, but like the

24:22

claim that like Nazis had access to

24:25

alien technology is not full of any

24:27

credible actual evidence. I'm looking

24:29

at the headline for your notes

24:32

and it just says, no evidence

24:34

for alien technology in World War

24:36

II. And I'm like, man, it

24:39

was that easy. Yeah.

24:41

So here, so this is kind

24:43

of what I'm really trying to

24:45

say is that the idea that

24:47

Nazis had like secret high tech

24:49

weapons and like alien technology is

24:51

a narrative that started emerging after

24:53

World War II, that there's like

24:55

these stories that like the Nazis

24:57

were trying to develop advanced aircraft

24:59

or spacecraft and that these survived the

25:01

war through secret underground bases that they

25:03

had in Antarctica or South America. Because

25:05

like, there's like, there's several lines of

25:07

Nazi conspiracy theories that like they had

25:09

a secret base in Antarctica because then

25:11

one expedition that kind of went there.

25:14

And also that like they had a

25:16

secret thing going on in Argentina because

25:18

Argentina was kind of friendly to the

25:20

Nazis and that a lot of Nazis

25:22

who escaped justice from the Nuremberg trials

25:24

found themselves in Argentina. And that's where

25:26

they kind of hid out for the

25:28

rest of their lives. So there

25:30

was this sort of, there was a theory for a

25:32

long time that because Hitler's, the

25:34

Soviets burned Hitler's remains as soon

25:36

as they found his body after

25:38

he committed suicide. So there's

25:41

no courts. We have no, we have no burial

25:43

site for Hitler. That was intentional. The

25:45

Soviets did that very intentionally, but that has led

25:47

to a conspiracy is that

25:49

Hitler survived the war and was hiding

25:52

in Argentina because so many other high

25:54

ranking Nazis were also able to escape

25:56

and go to Argentina. Yeah.

25:58

Yeah. I've heard that before. Yeah. that kind

26:00

of builds into that. And, you know,

26:02

that they developed anti-gravity, which we know we

26:04

talked about last week with Victor Freiburg, Victor

26:07

Schauberger. But we're also going to get into,

26:09

in a future episode, probably sooner rather than

26:11

later, Deglaca or the Bell, which is another

26:14

sort of claim that they had anti-gravity

26:16

technology from extraterrestrial sources. I'm excited. We're

26:18

building this one up. I'm excited for

26:21

it because this is like the big

26:23

thing that I've heard of before. So

26:25

I'm excited for when we do that

26:27

episode. Yeah. And this is not based

26:29

on nothing because, as you said, they had

26:31

some weird esoteric research they got into. They

26:33

did have like the Wunderwaffe

26:36

program near the end of the war, but

26:38

also that there was this,

26:40

it's not an entirely baseless claim too,

26:42

because Nazi Germany actually did show

26:46

an interest in developing flying

26:48

saucer-shaped vehicles. A lot of countries

26:50

did. I think, now this part

26:52

I could very well be wrong, but I

26:54

think it's the kind of, there was this

26:56

period in aviation technology where they started developing

26:58

these, they were thinking about making these

27:01

flying saucers. And the kind of two technologies

27:03

that were born out of that work turned

27:05

into what would later be jet engines, which

27:07

was like a sort of development of World

27:09

War II. And then later on, a helicopter,

27:11

because they were basically trying to figure

27:14

out how to make either a way

27:16

of propelling through the

27:18

air using turbines rather than propellers. But

27:21

then also, yeah, vertical takeoff and landing,

27:23

which was another dream. And that the

27:25

helicopter sort of came out of that

27:27

research. So there is even, I think

27:30

the US made some weird flying saucer-shaped experimental

27:32

vehicles, but they didn't really work because they

27:34

were trying to figure out how to, if

27:36

we take jet engine and turn it vertical,

27:38

does that work? And then they're like, oh,

27:40

no, it doesn't. What if we take propeller

27:42

or what if we make propeller, put it

27:44

on top and make it go very fast

27:46

and we have helicopter? That works. Yeah. So

27:48

that's sort of the beginning of that. You

27:50

know how if you have like a fan,

27:52

like a table fan or like a floor

27:54

fan, and it's spinning and

27:57

you speak into it, it like makes your voice

27:59

sound? sort of funny and robotic. We've

28:01

all been six years old, yes. Yes. Does

28:03

that, I know helicopters are loud, so you

28:06

wouldn't be able to hear yourself, but if

28:08

I shouted into a helicopter propeller, would that,

28:10

what would my voice sound like, do you

28:12

think? My, my guess is that if you

28:14

got close enough to do something like that,

28:17

it would sound much like Scott being chopped

28:19

up into 10 million pieces. Gotcha.

28:22

Alright, so wouldn't recommend. Would

28:24

not recommend, no. Okay. Generally,

28:26

general rule of thumb is

28:28

that if helicopter blades are

28:30

moving, you should not be close to the

28:32

helicopter. Like that is general rule of

28:34

thumb. Do not fight Harrison Ford around them.

28:36

You will get shredded up if there

28:38

are blades, if there are propeller blades moving

28:41

around, whether helicopter or plane. It doesn't matter.

28:43

Oh yeah, cause they're not. Yeah, and

28:45

Nazis again. That's a Nazi thing. But kind

28:47

of through that, you can sort of

28:49

see here where this, like where this thing

28:52

comes from, where all the pieces are,

28:54

because you do, like as I kind of

28:56

mentioned, like you have this war that was

28:58

like apocalyptic in nature, like defining for

29:00

our century. Like we are, in many

29:03

ways, we are still living in a

29:06

world defined by the post World War Two

29:08

moment. The most, like if

29:10

you were to kind of like look at

29:12

in the grand array of history and look

29:14

at our moment in history right now, like

29:16

maybe like 300 years from now, we would

29:18

feel kind of be under the post World

29:21

War Two reality moment. I mean, until World

29:23

War Three. Until World War Three, which, you

29:25

know, also people were talking more seriously about

29:27

this week, which is fun. Yeah. There's this

29:29

whole thing where it's like, man, America seems to

29:31

want to have Civil War Two and World War Three

29:33

in the same way. But

29:36

like the Nazis did have a lot

29:38

of very weird ideas that we'll learn

29:40

later were because they were bad at

29:42

science and history. But also like they

29:44

had, they had a

29:47

lot of issues with or like they

29:49

also have this sort of like mystique

29:51

over our civilization and they

29:55

they definitely were trying to like

29:57

do these like moonshot projects. They

29:59

just never. works. And you could kind

30:01

of see like... Yeah, and it wasn't because they

30:03

were like, you know, playing 3D chess

30:06

and just like unraveling physics at

30:08

the seams. It's just because they were desperate

30:10

and just sort of grasping at any any

30:12

sprawl. And they had a very stupid idea

30:14

of how science works. Yeah. The other thing

30:17

too, is that like, there's been a consistent

30:19

post World War II interest group that is

30:21

very interested in trying to rehabilitate the Nazi

30:23

regime and try to make it so that,

30:26

you know, the horrors that they committed on

30:28

human humanity, don't

30:31

get as much attention. And that they,

30:33

that you know, to imply that they

30:35

were more successful at things than they

30:37

actually were. Great. And then yeah, there's

30:39

this idea that like, Nazis had like

30:41

these super weapons that was, again, pushed

30:43

in a lot of circles that were

30:45

trying to promote anti-Semitic conspiracy theories or

30:47

esoteric Nazi ideology, which I feel like

30:50

I need to make like a step

30:52

back video just about esoteric Nazi ideology

30:54

and how a lot of Nazi ideology

30:56

just got sanitized and moved into like

30:58

sort of new agey directions. But

31:00

the thing is that it's all based on

31:02

some real stuff because the regime did have

31:04

a fascination with the supernatural and the occult.

31:07

They had this belief in the racial

31:09

superiority of Aryans, which led them on

31:12

this fruitless search to find ancient artifacts

31:14

and relics related to like to prove

31:16

their racial ideology true. They

31:18

did have a nuclear weapons program that also

31:21

contributed to this. For example, they did have

31:23

a group called the the answer, which

31:25

was a sort of Nazi archaeology

31:28

program that tried to do expeditions

31:30

and research to prove that there was an

31:32

Aryan race and that they were, you know,

31:34

they were racially superior, but it was all

31:37

based on super scientific stuff and lacked any

31:39

actual evidence that it worked. Right. They had

31:41

a conclusion based on nothing and they were

31:43

trying to justify it by being like, all

31:46

right, we we this is what we believe.

31:48

Now go find evidence that proves what we

31:50

believe is true before we like. Yeah, it's

31:53

it's it's it's nonsense. Yeah, it's sort of

31:55

like how this is sort of like a

31:57

similar kind of thing, which is that like

32:00

there was this movement and it didn't last super

32:02

long time, but in the Soviet Union, there was

32:04

this thought that Darwinian evolution, right, that was sort

32:06

of framed as all species being in competition with

32:08

each other, which is not really an accurate way

32:10

to talk about it, but it was a way

32:13

that people talked about at the time, sounded to

32:15

capitalists. And so they bought

32:17

into an alternative method of evolution

32:19

called Lamarckian evolution, which didn't actually

32:21

work and ignored how DNA works,

32:23

but it was like a non-capitalist

32:28

way to describe how animals and plants change

32:30

over time. So they kind of rolled with

32:33

it a lot longer than they should have.

32:35

Other thing too that we'll need to get

32:37

into is that part of the conspiracy is

32:39

also that like these super weapons were then

32:41

snatched up by America after the war and

32:44

brought to like ARIN-51 under Project Operation Paperclip,

32:46

which was a little thing that

32:48

happens that we'll talk about a little bit later

32:50

too. So like, and then like, you know, these

32:52

stories started going around in like fringe circles and

32:55

eventually they would get like, they would leave Nazi

32:57

circles and they would enter into esoteric or like,

32:59

like, you know, like occult circles, or

33:01

they would go to like new age

33:03

circles, or they would get further diluted

33:06

into just a general USO culture. And

33:08

before you know it, like weird esoteric

33:10

Nazi shit through like three levels of

33:12

intermediaries is ending up becoming mainstream to

33:14

the point where it's being promoted as

33:16

a potentially real thing on shows like

33:19

Ancient Aliens on the History Channel, which

33:21

presumably has non-Nazis working there and has,

33:23

you know, there are theoretically

33:25

like, you know, Jewish people who work at

33:27

History Channel or Jewish people who enjoy the

33:29

History Channel who are then being

33:32

subjected to ideology, to stuff that

33:34

comes from an ideology that was wholly

33:38

focused on their eradication. And that's

33:40

terrifying. And I, we've talked about

33:42

this before, but I think, I

33:44

think the defense of Ancient Aliens

33:46

and even the History Channel is

33:48

like, hey, we're not saying this

33:50

stuff happened. We're just asking questions.

33:52

Yeah. We're just saying, who knows?

33:54

Maybe that's an interesting thought. I

33:56

don't know. But it's when you're

33:58

presented on the history. channel

34:00

what you what you're presumably

34:03

learning is real history and

34:06

you're not you're just not with

34:08

this show yeah and the way that they frame

34:10

it is definitely like plausible deniability so that they

34:12

can avoid these kinds of criticisms but the thing

34:15

is that like yeah Nazi UFOs emerged in the

34:17

60s by authors who

34:19

linked UFOs Nazi Germany you

34:21

have books like right to the black sun and

34:25

Pentagon aliens that sort of push these

34:27

stories then like shows like in

34:29

search of aliens picked it up and

34:31

then it got as many conspiracies do

34:33

got kind of broke into other meta

34:35

conspiracies like the Illuminati and the UFO

34:38

cover-ups and yeah it just

34:40

sort of entered into the general milieu of

34:42

people who don't have much um scruples

34:44

or don't have much don't

34:47

critically think about the things that they believe

34:49

before they espouse their belief in them and

34:52

that's kind of where things are but I

34:54

want to kind of like that's like the

34:56

main thing like like it's just this is

34:58

the the messy sort of weird link between

35:00

fascism in the far right

35:02

and UFO circles that we're

35:04

always sort of playing

35:06

with and having to dance with because

35:08

we have to mention fashions so much

35:10

on this podcast that's supposed to be

35:13

like a thing and since we're going

35:15

through this episode we're like confronting it

35:17

head-on and so that I kind of

35:19

wanted to get to absolutely I mean

35:21

this is I feel like we've hit

35:23

on a lot of the claims a

35:25

lot of the pseudo history specifically but

35:28

I'm wondering if we could

35:30

learn maybe some like real history of course

35:33

but I do have to do one quick thing first and

35:35

that is we have to product and

35:37

we have to service okay well we can do that all right

35:40

well yeah we can do that really quickly let's do it let's

35:51

talk about the real Nazi atomic weapons

35:53

program and the Manhattan project so I

35:55

would love to you know there was

35:57

a movie about this reason there was

36:00

I haven't seen it yet. I only

36:02

ever I only saw the barbin in the

36:04

barbenheimer, but me too cuz it's um, it's

36:06

it's what's the face it's uh Chris

36:10

Nolan And like Christopher Nolan

36:12

It's like one of those i'm still a little

36:14

bit mad about how He tried to make everybody

36:16

go to the movies to see his movie during

36:18

covid during a pandemic. Yeah So

36:20

that's not great when he did that part of

36:22

it I also don't really like that. He made

36:24

an entire batman movie where the villain is occupy

36:26

wall street Yeah, it's like we're not a movie

36:28

podcast. We say this a lot but like

36:30

wow bain was like Boy,

36:33

the wealthy people are ruining the whole city

36:35

and then you're like, yeah, actually bain has

36:37

a point and then to make you Not

36:39

think that he was like and and then

36:41

bain bain was like and also I have

36:43

an actual nuke that i'm going to blow

36:45

up Gotham with and it's like well, hold

36:47

on now. Maybe that's not what we want

36:49

to go full circle to the beginning of

36:51

the podcast It's the same thing as the

36:53

the equalists from kora, uh, the legend of

36:55

kora Yeah, where they're like, oh these people

36:57

have like a real point that there's like

37:00

these random people who have superpowers And they get all

37:02

of these benefits in society and everyone else kind of

37:04

gets fucked over and then they're like, oh But also

37:06

we're evil like we're gonna I don't remember what their

37:08

plan was their plan was to just like kill a

37:10

bunch of people Or something. It was like, oh no,

37:12

we gotta We gotta stop

37:15

having white dudes write stories about inequality.

37:17

Yes I don't think we're good at

37:19

it. We're not we're not Um, I

37:21

did like that It thematically like took

37:23

like the thing that ang used to

37:25

end avatar and use it as like

37:27

the sort of problem at the beginning

37:29

of kora Like I thought that was clever

37:32

thematic because he used that same ability to

37:34

take the power away from the fire lord

37:36

I thought that was clever But yeah The

37:38

whole like there's these situations where they want

37:40

to make complex villains and the complex villains

37:42

are Right, and then they get

37:44

themselves into a corner where they're like, oh shit

37:47

The villain is right and the hero is wrong

37:49

So then they just do like a 180 and

37:51

be like and also i'm a cartoon super villain

37:53

it's yeah Is

37:56

it killmonger in killmonger in black panther

37:58

yeah and like And like this guy

38:01

and like I think fame and you know sure

38:03

or whatever From what? The

38:06

Disney Captain America thing you thought I didn't

38:08

oh The oh from

38:11

Falcon and Winter Soldier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

38:13

so like that's like the sort of thing

38:15

But um the German atomic weapons program Anyway,

38:18

we're not a movie podcast the

38:20

German atomic weapons research program

38:23

Which was called the or on Varen

38:25

or the uranium club actually began shortly

38:28

after the discovery of nuclear fission by

38:30

Autelpahn and Fritz Gossmann which started in

38:32

1938 You know a

38:34

year before the war started so the

38:37

nuclear fission will get into later But that was

38:39

a discovery of like holy shit. There's like this

38:41

source of huge amounts of power I bet we

38:43

could turn it into a weapon I was gonna

38:45

ask this at the beginning of the episode I

38:47

was like kids you were talking about how everyone

38:49

was sort of racing to build a nuclear bomb

38:52

Like how did everyone at the same time like

38:54

think of this? See that the

38:56

scientific discovery came out that if you shoot

38:58

a neutron at a at certain types of

39:00

materials a chain reaction Happens where a

39:02

bunch of energy comes out and you're like, oh shit.

39:04

Okay First things first, how

39:06

can we kill people with this? At

39:09

the same they were like there at the same

39:11

time they were like energy and bomb. How do

39:13

we get both? Yeah, yeah, this had people like

39:15

Werner Heisenberg of Of

39:17

like breaking bad same bad same

39:19

who was a noble laureate So

39:21

like, you know big deal and they

39:24

did try to develop like the first

39:26

like nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons But

39:29

it had the issue of they had lack

39:31

of resources as I mentioned They had issues

39:33

with internal competition where lots of different Scientists

39:36

were trying to do crazy things and they

39:38

were just one of them and also just

39:40

the fact that as the war like You

39:43

know as you're trying to decide what materials

39:45

you're going to put into different parts of

39:47

the war the idea that like do we

39:49

Put our materials like if we have like 10,000 tons of

39:52

steel Do we use that steel

39:54

to help develop a new

39:56

containment chamber for this fission reactor that

39:58

might in like five years? produce a

40:00

weapon, or do we turn that steel into

40:02

more guns and bullets for the soldiers that

40:05

are fighting right now? Right. So

40:07

those kinds of priorities started to hinder the

40:09

program's ability to get the stuff it needed

40:11

to really advance the science. I see. Sort

40:14

of short-term thinking on that part.

40:17

So they were interested in making the

40:19

bomb, but by 1942, the program had

40:21

shifted from developing a weapon to building

40:23

a reactor that could sustain nuclear fission

40:25

because a bunch of presentations

40:27

to high-ranking Nazi military commanders made it

40:29

clear that they didn't

40:31

have a plan for developing a real bomb. The

40:34

program... Just a theoretical bomb. For example, they

40:36

weren't able to separate the isotopes necessary to

40:38

create an atom bomb. They weren't able to

40:40

refine enough uranium to get the bomb, which

40:42

really needed it. They were never able to

40:44

get a successful chain reaction, which is what

40:47

you need for fission. And

40:49

also... They're like, oh, we're just making a big

40:51

mess with these spicy

40:53

meatballs from Italy. That's all we have.

40:55

You can't make nuclear bombs out of meatballs no

40:58

matter how hard you try. And

41:00

they tried. And they tried. You also need

41:02

a lot of deuterium or heavy water

41:04

to do nuclear bomb or nuclear

41:06

research with, which is also tough

41:09

to get, and they were not

41:11

able to get it. So in July

41:13

of 1942, they scrapped it, and they

41:15

moved the research, and they split it

41:17

into nine different institutions around the country.

41:20

Some research in atom atomic

41:22

energy did continue, but it

41:24

was not supported by the government, and none of

41:26

them came close to actually supporting an actual

41:29

weapon. After the war,

41:31

some of the uranium that the Nazis

41:33

had was added to the United States'

41:35

own nuclear efforts, and some of

41:38

the cubes used in their experiments did end

41:40

up in the hands of either private collectors

41:42

or research institutions. So not only do

41:44

we know that these things were abandoned,

41:46

but we found the exact stuff, and

41:49

some people still have, as

41:51

artifacts, the actual stuff that was used, but also

41:53

some of it wound up in the U.S. and

41:55

to their nuclear weapons program. So that's

41:57

what the main thing. But the other

41:59

big thing is that you're... We're kind

42:01

of talking as if the Germans had

42:03

some sort of inspiration, like alien or

42:05

just being really enlightened by getting into

42:08

all these esoteric things. But the main

42:10

reason why a lot of this random

42:12

weird shit got greenlit is because Germany

42:14

had a lot of scientific and technical

42:16

advancements that were hampered by the fact

42:18

that they were so married to pseudo-history

42:20

and pseudo-science, married to their idea of

42:22

race. So this

42:24

meant that key scientists

42:26

and entire

42:28

branches of physics were ignored because they

42:30

thought that they were Jewish science or something

42:33

like that. And so

42:35

they lacked the theoretical scientific

42:37

backing to even approach new

42:40

frontiers in theoretical physics. And

42:43

again, they had the

42:45

SS's Ansthebe, which was

42:47

instead of trying to

42:49

discover things about archaeology, was trying to

42:51

just simply prove the superiority of the

42:54

Aryan race. And they did

42:56

so by a futile effort, if I can say

42:58

so. And

43:00

at the same time, though, this is

43:02

kind of like emblematic of how science

43:04

worked in Nazi Germany, which is that

43:07

they had a preconceived conclusion that they

43:09

had to go out and then find

43:11

the answer that they wanted. But then

43:13

at the same time, they would then

43:15

report as if they had found it,

43:17

producing like basically fabricated documents and bad

43:19

scientific research and all that kind of

43:21

stuff to prove their preconceived conclusion, which

43:23

leads to poisoning the sort of scientific

43:25

process and makes the... I was

43:27

going to say, it seems like it's

43:29

the exact opposite of the scientific

43:32

method. Yeah. Yeah, you

43:34

don't really start with the conclusion and find

43:36

evidence for it. The other

43:38

thing too is that the Nazis had a lot

43:41

of really harsh... To say the

43:44

least, they had a whole lot of harsh racial policies

43:46

that were designed to at

43:48

first isolate and then exterminate

43:52

large parts of their own population,

43:54

including the Jewish population, but also

43:56

people with disabilities, Romani people, communists,

43:59

homosexuals. Jehovah's Witnesses,

44:01

to the point where

44:03

20 million people died in the

44:05

Holocaust, and six million of them

44:07

were represented virtually, like a humongous

44:10

percentage of the Jewish population of

44:12

Eastern Europe. All

44:14

of this was based on this

44:17

completely false concept of racial hygiene

44:19

and racial. The Nazis had this

44:21

concept that all races were in

44:24

perpetual competition with each other, and

44:28

that there's like, you know, races would defeat

44:30

other races. Another capitalist approach. Yeah,

44:32

I mean, if you think about it, this

44:34

will be spicy, but fascism at its core

44:36

is basically hyper-capitalism. It's like if you take

44:38

the concept of capitalism and apply it to

44:40

countries and people. Spicy. I wish I had

44:42

like a hot take button, but sound effects,

44:44

but I don't think I do. I think

44:47

I have this hot

44:49

take. Yeah. And it led to

44:51

them doing stuff like,

44:53

say, when they're developing particle physics to

44:56

make nuclear weapons, taking

44:58

ideological stances that they say that

45:01

things like quantum mechanics, i.e. the

45:03

mechanics, the physics of particles and

45:05

stuff at the atomic level, were

45:08

dismissed as being Jewish physics. Oh

45:11

my God. Oh my God. Yeah.

45:14

What is wrong with them? A

45:17

lot is the answer. So much. Yeah.

45:20

And again, this attempt to

45:22

build a propaganda campaign diverted resources

45:24

away from real archaeology and real

45:27

science. And what would

45:29

happen is that a lot of these crank

45:31

ideas that they then bought into would then

45:34

after the war be rebranded as the truth

45:36

that mainstream archaeologists don't want you to know.

45:39

Oh my God. Where have I heard that before?

45:41

Yeah. Like this is like the made up shit

45:43

that they brought up was the kind of stuff

45:45

that would then get watered down into this stuff

45:47

that you see on ancient aliens. Because

45:50

they believe like one example would be

45:52

world ice theory, which was this idea,

45:54

this cosmological concept by this guy named

45:56

Hans Höbiger, who was like this Austrian

45:58

engineer who thought that ice. was the

46:00

basic substance of all cosmic processes and

46:02

that ice boons, ice planets, and global

46:04

ether had determined the entire development of

46:06

the universe. So I've

46:09

never heard of this before. That's so wild.

46:11

We're getting into deep esoteric Nazi shit. But

46:13

like thing is that Hallberger's ideas

46:15

came through a vision he had in 1894. Ah,

46:19

the true source of null. And

46:21

a lot of these things became then after

46:23

the war repackaged kind of like with their

46:25

nuclear weapons program and UFO stuff as hidden

46:27

truths that mainstream archaeologists, because they weren't like

46:29

they were like they got into like weird shit because

46:31

they had a warped and like

46:34

bad concept of history and science

46:36

and everything. And then after the

46:38

war, their ideas sort of trickle out and people

46:40

think of it as like secret hidden knowledge that

46:42

they don't want you to know about. And then

46:44

when you know you you sanitize it just enough

46:47

that the Nazi label gets taken off of it

46:49

and all of a sudden you have ancient aliens

46:51

at a certain point. Yeah, it's it's it's really

46:53

interesting when you when you hear a

46:55

lot of this stuff. And it's phrased

46:57

as knowledge they don't want you to know about.

47:00

And then you start asking who's they who's

47:02

the they in that question? And then suddenly,

47:04

oh, you get to some Nazi ideology. Yeah,

47:06

as soon as you have a they like

47:08

this is my call like conspiracy theories dances

47:10

like as soon as you have a they

47:12

you're like that's like you're you're you're waiting

47:15

in anti Semitism already at that point. Because

47:17

like the first conspiracy theory really was the

47:19

protocols of the elders of Zion, which was

47:21

this anti Semitic text from the late 19th

47:23

century. And yeah, the the

47:25

other thing too, is that this kind of

47:27

like, you know, bad take and like, you

47:30

know, did like the mainstream archaeologists dismiss

47:32

this as important. Yeah, is now also

47:34

a leading thing in the sort of

47:37

attack on the right against professional scholarship

47:39

specialization and expertise in the promotion of

47:41

pseudoscience over established consensus, which you see

47:43

in like climate change denial and like

47:46

the sort of attack on on woke

47:48

universities and like the sort of the

47:50

theory of cultural Marxism it all kind

47:52

of has its roots from this, this

47:55

like line of thinking. Keep

47:57

in mind that not the Nazi government was to

48:00

totalitarian to the extreme. They tried

48:02

to control what people learned, what

48:04

people thought. So they took

48:06

an extreme interest in making sure that these

48:08

bad ideas were then taught in all of

48:10

the schools to all the people, and that

48:13

the experts were saying all these things,

48:15

which stifled it. For example, I'll just

48:17

kind of get into this, their racial

48:20

policies led to a huge emigration or

48:22

the murder of many Jewish scientists or

48:24

the dismissing of their ideas. And kind

48:26

of backfired on them, some

48:29

regards there. And before World War

48:31

II, Germany had a significant

48:33

Jewish population and a significant

48:35

representation in the sciences because

48:37

of a cultural emphasis on

48:39

education. And

48:42

because when you are barred from a

48:44

lot of different trades, historically

48:48

in Europe, Jews were barred from many

48:50

trades that were lucrative and made money,

48:52

and so they ended up having to

48:55

enter into other professions and they happened

48:57

to be professions that required high education.

48:59

So a lot of European Jewish culture

49:01

would have this emphasis on getting a good

49:04

education, which resulted in a lot of highly

49:06

educated Jewish people who contributed to science and

49:08

so on. For

49:10

example, here's just a brief list of

49:12

the people who left Germany because of

49:15

a brief list

49:18

of Jewish scientists who had

49:20

to leave Germany because of

49:23

their growing attacks on

49:25

Jewish people. All right, get into it.

49:27

Fritz Haber, the Nobel Prize and chemistry

49:29

winner who invented the Haber-Bosch process, which

49:32

refines air into usable or the nitrogen

49:34

and the air into ammonia, which is

49:36

basically the core behind all of fertilizer.

49:40

Interesting also because he was a key person

49:42

in the development of the chemical weapons program

49:44

for Germany in the first World War. Lise

49:47

Meitner, a physicist who played a major role in

49:49

the discovery of nuclear fission, had to leave Germany

49:51

in 1938. Oh, kind of

49:53

an important person you'd want to have. Yeah, someone

49:55

you'd want around Otto Merchoff, who

49:57

is a physicist and biochemist who got the Nobel

50:00

Prize. in Physiology and Medicine in 1922, left in

50:02

1930, left Germany. Max Born,

50:04

the physicist and mathematician who was

50:06

instrumental in developing quantum mechanics, led

50:08

in 1933. Oh my God. Erdving

50:11

Schrodinger of Schrodinger's Cat, the physicist

50:13

who also developed a number of

50:15

quantum theory, had to leave Germany

50:17

in 1933. Another one I

50:19

didn't even mention here was Frickin

50:23

Sigmund Freud. Sigmund Freud was a

50:25

Jewish German who had to leave

50:27

his left. Yeah, Hans Klebs, who

50:30

identified citric acid, the citric acid

50:32

cycle, part of like biology and

50:35

such. Yeah, it makes good sour

50:38

candy. Thank you. I love Sour Patch Kids.

50:40

Exactly. The biochemist who purified penicillin,

50:42

Ernst Schoen, had to leave Germany

50:45

in 1933. That's

50:47

a massive one. Yeah, you think that during a

50:49

war, making penicillin, big

50:51

deal. Huge help. Yeah, Matt

50:53

Prutz, the biologist who was

50:56

awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1962 later, had

50:59

to leave Austria in 1936 because of this. Another one,

51:03

although he wasn't Jewish, his wife was

51:05

Jewish, was Enrico Fermi of Fermi Paradox,

51:07

of our first episode of the show

51:09

where we mentioned a conversation they were

51:12

having while working on the Manhattan Project.

51:15

Oh my God. As

51:17

like a showing like all of these people who

51:19

fled Germany because they were Jewish physicists

51:21

who then went to America and

51:24

developed America's nuclear bomb. This

51:27

is what I meant when I said earlier that it

51:29

kind of backfired on

51:31

Germany a little bit. Hans Bethe, the physicist

51:34

who would later win a Nobel Prize

51:36

in Physics, left Germany in 1933. John von

51:38

Neumann, the mathematician who also contributed to

51:40

a wide range of fields and mathematics,

51:42

had to leave. I've heard that name before.

51:45

Leo Scissard, who's a physicist and the inventor

51:47

who conceived the nuclear chain reactions, left Germany

51:50

in 1933. Jesus. James

51:53

Frank, a physicist who got the

51:55

Nobel Prize in 1925. Edward Teller,

51:57

who was a Hungarian physicist who

51:59

was known as... the quote, father

52:02

of the hydrogen bomb. Rudolph Pius,

52:04

a nuclear physicist who was involved

52:06

in Britain's atomic bomb program, had

52:08

to leave Germany in 1933. And

52:11

the last one, the biggest one,

52:13

the person who wrote the letter

52:15

to FDR warning of the German

52:18

nuclear weapons program, Albert Einstein. There

52:20

he is. Jewish physicist known for the

52:22

theory of relativity left Germany for the

52:25

United States in 1933 after Hitler came

52:27

to power. So kind

52:29

of a lot of important,

52:32

notable scientific and mathematical minds. Yeah, just

52:34

a few, eh? Just a few. It's

52:36

interesting how all the scientists that develop

52:38

like super technologies that H&Aliens talks about,

52:41

like with Nikola Tesla and like, you

52:43

know, all these people, that Einstein never

52:45

gets added to that. Hmm. I wonder

52:48

what it is about Einstein that they

52:50

don't want to attribute any sort of

52:52

super technology developments to, I don't know.

52:55

Who knows who can say. So this

52:57

led to what I

52:59

think I most euphemistically said, a decline

53:01

in the quality and integrity

53:03

of scientific research. Yeah, to

53:05

put it lightly. Yeah. In

53:07

contrast, the Manhattan Project was

53:09

colossal, was kept top secret

53:11

and was in development in

53:13

the United States for many

53:15

years, was a international collaboration

53:17

with the UK and Canada,

53:19

and was an all

53:22

out effort using huge amounts of resources to

53:24

develop the first nuclear bomb. The Manhattan Project

53:26

succeeded probably with the help of all those

53:28

Jewish physicists that they took. They had

53:31

their first controlled self-sustaining nuclear reaction

53:33

in December 2nd, 1942, as a

53:35

direction of Nobel Prize

53:39

winning physicist Enrico Fermi, who had

53:41

to leave Germany for some reason.

53:43

We'll never know. Yeah, they, at

53:45

its peak, the Manhattan Project had

53:47

employed 130,000 people, had pilot plants,

53:52

laboratories, and manufacturing facilities across the United States,

53:54

which is also very far away from Europe,

53:56

so they didn't have to deal with any

53:58

like, no war stuff. and had some

54:00

of the most brilliant minds at

54:02

the time, like people like J. Robert Oppenheimer, who

54:05

is the father

54:07

of the atomic bomb, but also people

54:09

like Enrico Fermi or Richard Feynman or

54:11

Edward Teller. And just like, was this

54:13

like breaking mold constantly, not only in

54:16

science, but also in engineering and industry,

54:18

created an entire new form of weaponry

54:20

in an amazingly short period. It was

54:22

one of the most like scientific, it

54:25

was one of the most intense scientific

54:27

focus of scientific development in human history.

54:30

And then it was of course ultimately used to make

54:32

the Fat Man and the Little Boy, which were dropped

54:34

on Japan in August of 1945. Like

54:40

the reason they did it is because they were

54:42

so invested in this program. And then when they

54:44

say by the time it was actually bearing fruit,

54:46

they were like, Oh, shit, the war is almost

54:48

over and Japan keeps trying to surrender to us.

54:50

But we got to use this thing because if

54:52

we show it off in the Soviets, we'll be

54:54

more scared at these conferences we keep going to.

54:56

Yeah, I wish that there was a different outcome

54:58

for like a very rigorous,

55:02

condensed time of scientific

55:04

study and great

55:07

minds coming together. Like I wish there

55:10

was a more like humanitarian sort of

55:12

outcome to that, than other

55:14

than just big bomb. You can say though, that

55:16

this is also the work

55:18

that needs to be done to develop like

55:20

nuclear power, which sure, is probably

55:23

going to be one of our saviors for

55:25

the planet. But that wasn't really the focus

55:27

of it. No, the Moon program was also

55:29

to develop ICBMs, but we

55:31

still have to go to the

55:33

Moon. So you know, you have

55:35

to take the data. How can

55:37

we convince people that we can

55:39

make a cool big weapon by

55:41

stopping climate change? That is true.

55:43

We'll make a solar

55:45

panel that can like shoot lasers or something,

55:47

right? Yeah. How can we spin it to

55:49

be like, all right, we got to fight

55:51

climate change, not because it'll save the world.

55:53

That's just like a byproduct of it. But

55:55

at the end of it, we're going to

55:57

have a really cool weapon we can use.

56:00

on people. Think about that. There's something like

56:02

pseudo-conspiratorial about this one take, but there's also

56:04

like a form of nuclear power that's used

56:06

by suspending thorium in a

56:09

sort of liquid salt of tetrafluoride that

56:11

would result in a whole new source

56:13

of nuclear fissile material that's not uranium

56:15

and is very common to the point

56:17

where you could hear it from seawater,

56:19

but because it was not able to

56:21

be refined into something that could be

56:23

a bomb, it was not really invested

56:25

in. And so now it's like very

56:27

slowly starting to be come online right

56:29

now, like China's investing in a lot, but

56:31

like could result in nuclear power plants that are

56:33

literally impossible to melt down and you could just

56:35

like bury them and like leave them for like

56:37

15 years to just like generate power because they

56:39

have a few moving parts. But I also know

56:41

that there's some, some people have some real, like

56:43

people who know more than I do have some

56:45

real question marks, but yeah, they were able to

56:47

offer the fact that fission is where you take

56:49

an atomic nucleus, you know, you take this like

56:51

atom that's made up of all of like the

56:53

protons and neutrons, right? You shoot an electron or

56:55

a neutron at it and it explodes and that

56:57

sort of data force or that like that all

57:00

those forces keeping those things together blows apart

57:02

and you get tons of energy, but also

57:04

creates other particles that then hit other part

57:06

of other atoms, but then break those. And

57:09

so like the plutonium, meaning a chain reacts.

57:11

Exactly. The plutonium or uranium that you is,

57:13

is special because like they're very breakable atoms

57:15

basically for that kind of thing. That's sort

57:17

of the principle of nuclear fission that they

57:20

were able to figure out. Other thing too

57:22

to mention is that the Nazis did develop

57:24

a whole bunch of scientific stuff. We know

57:26

because the cold war happened right afterwards and

57:28

everyone tried to gobble up Nazi

57:31

scientists like they were fucking heads

57:33

candy. So for example, Operation Paperclip

57:35

was a US program that brought

57:37

over 1600 German scientists,

57:39

engineers and tech technicians from Nazi Germany

57:41

to the US to give them employment

57:44

to fight communism. Hey, that's way more

57:46

scientists than I thought. Yeah. And a

57:48

lot of them have some sketchy involvement

57:50

with the Nazi party that had to

57:52

be scrubbed nice and clean. I knew

57:55

about Operation Paperclip. I knew that the

57:57

United States had folded in Nazi. scientists

58:00

into their ranks. I didn't think it was

58:02

1600 of them. Yeah.

58:04

I thought it was like a couple dozen.

58:07

I mean, the most famous one is Wernher

58:09

von Braun, who then became the head of

58:11

NASA and like led the rocketry program because

58:13

he was the developer of like the V2

58:15

rockets and stuff like that in Germany. But

58:18

yeah, they were brought into all sorts of

58:20

stuff. This was the operation by the Joint

58:22

Intelligence Operations Agency carried out by the US

58:24

Army's Counter Intelligence Corps. And the US has

58:26

a lot of its scientific breakthroughs post World

58:28

War II to thank for a lot of

58:30

Nazi scientists that they then let

58:33

escape justice in order to develop new

58:35

science for America to fight communism. I

58:37

also would be remiss if I didn't

58:40

talk about another side of this that

58:42

doesn't get a lot of attention, which

58:44

was Operation, I am sorry for, I

58:47

don't know, Russian either. Operation Ossovakim, so

58:49

this was the Soviet version of Operation

58:51

Paperclip, which was distinctly different for

58:54

some interesting ways because, yeah, the Council of...

58:56

Number one, they were in a different country.

58:58

Yeah. Big difference. They're doing it communistically.

59:01

But this was decreed through the

59:03

Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union.

59:06

It was larger in scale and

59:08

basically was less, let's just say

59:10

that like one did it with

59:14

America attracted their Nazis with honey. The

59:16

Russians specifically used vinegar. Their thing was,

59:18

because Germany had this whole concept after

59:20

World War II that like, Germany needs

59:22

to repay all of the sort of

59:24

infrastructure damage that was done to the

59:27

Soviet Union during the war and did

59:29

so by like literally tearing down factories

59:31

brick by brick and putting them on trains and

59:33

taking them to the Soviet Union to be built

59:35

as new factories to rebuild

59:37

their industrial capacity. But that also extended to

59:39

scientists, engineers, and technicians who were dismantled brick

59:42

by brick and put on trains. No.

59:45

But they were literally like kidnapping

59:47

people to kidnapping German scientists and

59:49

forcing them to develop science for

59:52

the Soviet Union. They had like

59:54

trophy brigades and stuff like that

59:56

who were... Their job was to go to these

59:58

run down a... and

1:00:01

just take as many materials and research, but

1:00:03

also scientists that they could and

1:00:05

bring it back to the Soviet Union for their

1:00:07

own scientific things, was notably less successful because

1:00:09

it turns out kidnapping

1:00:12

people and taking them to the Soviet Union and forcing them to

1:00:14

do science for you, less

1:00:17

successful than, hey, you want to come to America? Well, you'll

1:00:19

be well paid and we'll expunge your

1:00:21

entire war criminal record to do things. We're a little nicer

1:00:24

over here. Nicer to

1:00:26

the Nazis, yeah. I've always said that

1:00:28

about America. Both of

1:00:30

which, though, do rise to some

1:00:32

very problematic and ethical

1:00:35

questions. Like, Wernher von Braun, I think we

1:00:37

talked about this last week, Wernher von Braun,

1:00:39

head of NASA, key to

1:00:41

the development of the Saturn V rocket that

1:00:43

basically got America to the moon and also

1:00:45

is the first ICBM. You put a nuclear

1:00:47

warhead on a Saturn V and

1:00:50

that is America's nuclear missile capacity.

1:00:52

Yeah. But Wernher von Braun developed

1:00:54

a V-2 rocket program, the first

1:00:56

rockets developed in Nazi Germany, and

1:00:58

as we mentioned, definitely, although

1:01:00

he claims otherwise, definitely knew that

1:01:03

his rockets were being built with

1:01:05

slave labor by people in concentration

1:01:07

camps because his

1:01:09

brother personally oversaw these

1:01:12

things. Mmm. And

1:01:14

a lot of these other Nazi scientists

1:01:16

who were brought to America under Piper

1:01:18

clip also had very troublesome, like they

1:01:20

were the ones who were not famous

1:01:22

enough to have to go to Nuremberg,

1:01:24

but a lot of them had very

1:01:27

heinous histories, especially those that had to

1:01:29

do with medicine and

1:01:31

biology and the kind

1:01:33

of things that they were doing under their research expunged

1:01:36

to come over and do their

1:01:38

work. And we have to talk

1:01:40

about how space exploration and

1:01:43

the development of advanced

1:01:45

materials, fuel efficiency, engines.

1:01:48

Yeah. A lot of our space age

1:01:50

science has to do with the fact

1:01:53

that this happened while literally

1:01:55

under the actions of letting... some

1:02:00

of the worst criminals in all of human

1:02:02

history, escape justice. And we kind of have

1:02:04

to live with that fact today. Yeah. And

1:02:07

especially because it was done of the idea of undoing

1:02:10

communism, the big evil.

1:02:12

But what if we spin it to be cooler and

1:02:15

we say that it was alien technology? Yeah. And

1:02:17

maybe that's how we live with it? That's how

1:02:19

we live with it. It could be that like

1:02:22

the whole alien thing here

1:02:24

is us trying to subconsciously

1:02:26

relieve ourselves of our collective guilt

1:02:29

because we're not talking about, we're

1:02:31

not talking about embracing and accepting the ideas

1:02:34

of war criminals. We're talking about alien technology

1:02:36

just filtered through them that they just happened

1:02:38

to get. That's a

1:02:41

way to look at it. Yeah. I

1:02:44

also find that this way of talking about, this is, by the

1:02:46

way, we are now in the part where Tristan makes you sad,

1:02:48

which is like kind of the whole episode. Yeah.

1:02:50

But the- It feels like I don't want

1:02:53

to do this sound effect we did last

1:02:55

week. It feels very silly. I'll

1:02:58

come up with another one. But trying to

1:03:01

give this kind of attribution to the

1:03:03

Nazis and all of this sort of

1:03:05

mystique and power seems

1:03:09

to dilute the story of what

1:03:11

the Nazis actually were, which were

1:03:13

the people, the group, and the

1:03:15

movements that created the

1:03:17

worst atrocities in human history,

1:03:19

including the systematic genocide of

1:03:22

six million Jews, as well

1:03:24

as numerous other war crimes.

1:03:27

And also like the

1:03:29

mass eradication, again, of not

1:03:31

only like a huge amount

1:03:33

of the Jewish people who lived in Eastern

1:03:35

Europe, but also Romani people. Yes.

1:03:38

People who are like Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals,

1:03:41

like the first people that the Nazis

1:03:43

came for were transgender people, but also

1:03:46

anybody who had left-wing politics. They

1:03:48

had, they also went after

1:03:50

like- But I thought the Nazis

1:03:53

were a socialist party. Interesting. Yes,

1:03:55

we're the nationalists that they say

1:03:58

were- So

1:04:01

we're like literally branded as being

1:04:03

the bulwark of Western society against

1:04:05

communism. We

1:04:08

don't talk about that part, Mr. Shapiro.

1:04:11

But yeah, and also just like

1:04:13

this kind of shit sucks. And in

1:04:16

many ways, this like dilution of Nazi

1:04:18

ideas through to esoteric circles is a

1:04:20

way to sanitize this movement that did

1:04:22

some of the worst stuff. And like

1:04:25

a lot of this, like a lot

1:04:27

of these claims, like these like sort

1:04:29

of pseudo scientific claims about what the

1:04:31

or pseudo historical claims what the Nazis are

1:04:33

up to also has links to other conspiracy

1:04:36

theories like Holocaust denial, which

1:04:38

is the the the ongoing conspiracy

1:04:40

theory that the Holocaust didn't happen

1:04:42

and that this was used by

1:04:45

by them to build a narrative

1:04:47

to sort of gain power

1:04:49

or revisionists who try to argue

1:04:52

down how the the sheer scope

1:04:54

because the unbelievable scope of the

1:04:56

Holocaust and and all

1:04:58

and these kinds of things are like part

1:05:00

of this movement that we don't get

1:05:02

as much attention to. Yeah, as

1:05:05

much attention to. Yeah. And the

1:05:07

suppression of this also like develops conspiracy

1:05:09

theories that are also like based around

1:05:11

this idea that there's this like Jewish

1:05:13

power that rules the world.

1:05:16

The Illuminati is basically that that. Oh,

1:05:18

well, they won't say it's Jewish people,

1:05:20

but they're the claim of who they

1:05:22

believe is part of the Illuminati is

1:05:24

conspicuously high in Jews. Yeah. And so,

1:05:27

you know, it's sort of like downplays

1:05:29

the important stuff and also tries

1:05:31

to sanitize the the horrifying ideas

1:05:33

that these people were associated with.

1:05:35

And so it's important that we

1:05:38

fight that. Yeah, absolutely. And that's

1:05:40

what we try to do a

1:05:42

little bit here. It sucks

1:05:45

to talk about Nazi shit so

1:05:47

often. Yeah. This is what we

1:05:49

have to. Those are going to

1:05:51

be are going to be rough.

1:05:53

But but yeah, like this, I

1:05:55

predict that these will be some

1:05:57

of our more popular episodes. Unfortunately,

1:05:59

the. History channel probably bears that

1:06:01

out to be true because before they were

1:06:03

the aliens people they were the Nazi people

1:06:05

because their World War two Documentaries were so

1:06:07

popular Yeah But I also think that this

1:06:09

is in some ways important because we're like

1:06:11

what we are doing really is getting right

1:06:14

to the heart of The

1:06:16

ancient astronaut conspiracy theory. This is like

1:06:18

the thing that this comes from Yeah

1:06:20

is where like all of the new

1:06:23

age Like occultism like

1:06:25

all of that sort of like modern-day

1:06:28

New-age UFO culture

1:06:30

comes out of this

1:06:32

specific like horror

1:06:35

of the 1940s and

1:06:37

is a like in many ways kind of

1:06:39

like with like how the New World Order

1:06:41

was to rebrand

1:06:43

what they called the Zionist occupational

1:06:45

government before that it's a way

1:06:47

to add a level of deniability

1:06:49

by by like sanding

1:06:51

the Nazi stuff off of

1:06:53

Nazi ideas and Kind

1:06:56

of disturbing to a lot of people if you

1:06:58

just say Nazi shit But don't attribute it to

1:07:00

Nazis you get a rather warm reception

1:07:02

for a lot of the ideas which

1:07:04

yes is Terrifying any

1:07:07

I feel like if you listen to this podcast There's

1:07:10

been a lot of this stuff like it's you know

1:07:13

I was just thinking about the Betty and

1:07:15

Barney Hill and just like

1:07:18

how people have like

1:07:20

PTSD from World War two and are

1:07:22

trying to Like

1:07:25

work through that and and you know that our

1:07:27

minds come up with all sorts of Ways

1:07:30

to cope with things like that including

1:07:32

you know alien abductions and things like

1:07:34

that Yeah, it's

1:07:36

everything sort of traces back to here

1:07:39

in a lot of ways So I think it's

1:07:41

important that we're doing these episodes and hopefully we're

1:07:43

making them fun to listen to yeah I'm guessing

1:07:45

that there's like a bigger story that we could

1:07:48

talk about at some that some historian will need

1:07:50

to write about how This whole

1:07:52

like belief in UFOs and

1:07:54

government conspiracies comes out of

1:07:56

our society beyond being unable

1:07:58

to process World War

1:08:00

II and like our civil

1:08:02

life, like the sort of like World

1:08:04

War II so profoundly changed the way

1:08:06

the world functions and the way governments

1:08:08

work and the way that like the

1:08:11

dynamics of reality are for many people

1:08:13

that conspiracy theories and like UFOs and

1:08:15

stuff like that will be like the

1:08:17

way that we like culturally processed that

1:08:19

that shocked the system in many ways

1:08:21

like how like the 9-11 truth movement

1:08:23

is us doing that for 9-11 in

1:08:26

a much smaller capacity but that was like

1:08:28

the subject of my PhD dissertation that I

1:08:30

never finished. Well Tristan, maybe you are the

1:08:33

historian but we'll never know until you write

1:08:35

a book about this or just keep doing

1:08:37

this stuff on this podcast. That's all that's

1:08:39

fun. Hey, thanks so much for listening to

1:08:41

this episode. Believe it

1:08:43

or not, I think we have more Nazi

1:08:45

stuff to talk about next week. Yeah, yeah,

1:08:47

I have a I have here. I will

1:08:49

I will get it. I'll give you an

1:08:52

exact number so that you know

1:08:54

how much more Nazi shit I have like we're good

1:08:56

not to yeah Nazis will show up over and over

1:08:59

again because you know you get a computer

1:09:01

in nature but we still got 123456789 episode or

1:09:03

stuff. I'm

1:09:12

gonna have to mix it up. I got

1:09:14

I got a really a really stupid racist

1:09:16

conspiracy theory about the Phoenicians in

1:09:18

Australia that would involve getting Dale Kingsmill back maybe

1:09:20

we should just do that at some point in

1:09:22

the near future. We'll break it up. We'll

1:09:25

break it up in between. We're gonna need some painters for

1:09:27

all these shots. We can't do this many shots in a

1:09:29

row. I learned that in undergrad. This is a lot

1:09:31

of stuff. Well, hey, thank you so much for listening.

1:09:34

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1:10:46

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