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one. Alright,

1:12

Tristan, you're gonna talk

1:14

to me about a TV show. I'm gonna

1:16

talk to you about the best TV show

1:18

currently on television right now. I would say

1:20

arguably we talk about the best TV show

1:22

currently on air every single week, which is

1:25

ancient aliens. Hahaha, no. And this is a

1:27

better one is what you're saying. I have

1:29

like five, like three of my top five

1:31

TV shows. Okay, have the same guy involved

1:33

with it. I would almost say four because

1:35

one he wrote for a bunch. Alright, who

1:38

is this guy? Have you ever heard of

1:40

Ron D. Moore? Ron D. Moore. I

1:42

don't think so. In some ways, he

1:44

is like almost responsible for the serialization

1:46

of television in like the 2000s. Okay.

1:50

So here's the things that he's he's known for. One,

1:53

he was a huge contributor to Star

1:55

Trek. Alright, off to a good start.

1:58

Next Generation in D space. specifically, the best

2:00

ones. The best ones? The ones he was

2:03

most involved with though was D

2:05

Space Nine where he was the

2:07

supervising producer and a co-executive producer

2:09

and was like on the production

2:11

staff and so it was like a

2:14

really big role in the structure of

2:16

the show and gave it like

2:18

its serialized character-driven nature that basically made

2:20

the show. One of those,

2:22

D Space Nine is the

2:24

best TV show that has ever been made by

2:27

human beings. It is the peak of television that

2:29

we have never gotten close to. And I

2:31

promise one day I will watch it.

2:33

Yeah. The next thing he then went on

2:35

to do was the Battlestar Galactica reboot

2:37

of the early 2000s which was... I hit

2:39

a little bit of a theme here

2:41

with this guy. A lot of sci-fi, a

2:44

lot of space travel. Yeah. Ron D.

2:46

Moore and made Outlander. I know Outlander, right?

2:48

Is that the one I know? Maybe.

2:50

I don't know Highlander. Was that that incredibly

2:52

horny show that you got me to

2:54

watch one time? I believe so. I don't

2:57

know why I'm second-guessing myself. I've seen

2:59

all of it. I'm pretty sure it's Outlander.

3:01

I just get confused because there's so many

3:03

Landers out there. Outlander, yeah.

3:05

With the lady doctor who goes

3:07

back in time... She's a surgeon.

3:10

She's a surgeon who goes back

3:12

in time somehow magically and has

3:14

all this knowledge of First World

3:16

War medicine and which is

3:19

obviously not advanced today but it is

3:21

very advanced for a hundred years ago

3:23

when she travels back in time. Because

3:25

the First World War is a hundred

3:27

years ago now. Well it is a

3:29

hundred years ago now but she goes back even

3:31

further a hundred more years back in

3:33

time. Okay. And travels back to you

3:36

know into Scotland

3:38

and things like that and meets a

3:40

sexy redhead named Jamie and they have

3:43

sex and it's good stuff. I remember it

3:45

being... I remember trying to get into it

3:47

and it was an extremely horny show. Oh

3:49

yeah. It's horny. It stopped being... this is

3:51

the thing... we can't go the other way.

3:53

It stopped being horny and it started

3:56

being like historical drama and intrigue

3:58

which is like... fine, but

4:01

that's not why people watched

4:03

it, I don't think. It's still going. I'm

4:05

still watching it. I don't

4:07

know. Okay. Well, Ron D. Moore's latest

4:09

show is possibly, it is a mix

4:12

of a bunch of things that are

4:14

things that I have been consistently disappointed

4:16

with, a genre that I have been

4:18

consistently disappointed with in speculative fiction, and

4:20

honestly, a kind of a show that

4:22

we need as a species right now.

4:24

So his latest show, which

4:26

just wrapped up its fourth season, called

4:29

For All Mankind. I know of this

4:31

one. I have not seen this one,

4:33

but you're saying it is the best show

4:35

airing right now. Yes, which it's the best

4:37

show airing on right now that no one's

4:39

talking about. So obviously it's on Apple TV.

4:41

It's on Apple TV, which means you get

4:44

to watch it in those fancy new Apple

4:46

Vision Pro goggles. Oh my

4:48

God. Watch a TV show. Watch

4:50

a TV show while driving your

4:52

car or riding an electric skateboard

4:54

down middle of men's... God. You

4:57

know, there was this like... Everyone's just... Hold on.

4:59

Everyone's just doing that for content and cloud. No

5:01

one is actually doing that. Okay. But

5:04

there was no... No, Tristan. No one is

5:06

actually doing it. They're doing it so we

5:08

talk about them, which is what we're doing.

5:11

Are you trying to will that into existence?

5:13

No, I'm not trying to will it into

5:15

existence. I'm saying no one is actually doing

5:17

the thing that we've seen them do. People

5:19

are at home watching Avatar, Way of the

5:22

Water. That's all they're doing in it, really.

5:24

Okay. Just because like with people who really

5:26

like Apple, they sometimes like to make a

5:28

really big deal of showing off that they

5:30

have enough money for Apple products. And sometimes

5:33

when Apple products look stupid, it means that

5:35

they make a really big deal of showing

5:37

off this stupid thing they have. Yeah, for

5:39

clout. That's what I'm saying. No one's actually

5:42

going to like... There are so

5:44

many clips of seat of what people are going

5:46

to like McDonald's wearing it and like eating a

5:48

burger wearing it. No one is actually doing it.

5:50

They're just doing it to make videos about them.

5:52

Yeah, but no one's actually doing it. What it

5:54

does remind me of is that this was maybe

5:57

like 15 years ago. Do you remember Google Glass?

6:00

Oh, yeah. So there was a guy who

6:02

took his Google Glass into a McDonald's where

6:04

like the people were kind of uncomfortable because

6:06

it looked like they were being filmed because

6:08

they probably weren't. And so they asked him

6:10

to leave. And he basically pivoted this as

6:13

like, this is the first anti cyborg discrimination.

6:15

Kate Prime that

6:17

I have ever had. It's like, yeah, one

6:19

of the funnier people who are into Google

6:21

Glass were a unique breed of human. But

6:24

okay, for all mankind, for all mankind. So

6:26

for on Apple Vision Pro. Yeah. Yeah, so

6:28

for all mankind is a is

6:31

a entry into a genre

6:33

that I have been consistently disappointed with

6:35

forever, which is alternate history. Yeah, alternate

6:37

history is a really cool concept for

6:39

a genre of speculative fiction where you

6:41

know, history is different. And then you

6:43

kind of deal like something different happened

6:45

in the past and you see what

6:48

that world looks like the biggest show

6:50

probably being the Man in

6:52

the High Castle. The problem with it

6:54

is that the genre is, I think,

6:56

annoying because it's filled with people who

6:58

have cool concepts for settings, but

7:00

then forget that. Yeah. Stories have to

7:02

happen in settings. Okay. Okay, like they

7:04

wanted to make a Wikipedia article or

7:06

like a D&D setting book, but they

7:08

had to then make a novel. And

7:10

so like, one of the

7:13

most heinous ones is Harry turtle dove who

7:15

has this series where aliens invade during World

7:17

War Two, and it has something like 40

7:19

POV characters. And so the first like 150

7:22

pages happen and literally nothing's happened yet

7:24

because he's too busy introducing like two

7:26

dozen characters into the into this thing.

7:28

Yeah, I feel like to see the needs

7:30

to have the setting that he wants to actually talk about. Be

7:34

seen from all these different angles. I

7:36

feel like bright is an example of

7:38

this in a in a fantasy. Instead

7:41

of sci fi thing you remember bright when that was a

7:43

big thing like Will Smith cop movie with like orcs and

7:45

stuff. Yeah, it was

7:47

like what if it's

7:50

like what if the real

7:52

world and fantasy world merged over Lindsay

7:54

Ellis made a video about it like

7:56

ages ago and was like, it doesn't

7:59

work for like history. historical fiction

8:01

or like alternate history fiction because

8:03

there are so many different place

8:05

like real life places like LA

8:08

or whatever That is like

8:10

okay But the history of why LA is

8:12

called LA also meant that that history needed

8:14

to happen and like all these references that

8:16

they make And it's like how could all

8:18

of this happen and also there's fantasy creatures.

8:20

Yeah, it's like nothing else happened There's a

8:22

bit of like this is me kind of

8:24

like toppling the Holy Grail here but like

8:26

it's kind of why I don't really like

8:28

the X-Men as a stand-in for discrimination

8:30

because it was always a standing

8:32

for like racism, but like If

8:36

if people based on their skin color had

8:38

like apocalyptic levels of

8:40

superpowers You might be like

8:42

like if people if there were people like like

8:44

one in ten million people were born with like

8:46

the ability to Shoot lasers out

8:49

of their eyes that could knock down buildings.

8:51

I might also be on board for some

8:53

registration but And

8:55

we can't get into this because we haven't

8:57

even started the real podcast yet But Cyclops

9:00

doesn't want to shoot lasers out

9:02

of his eyeballs. That's a disability

9:04

sure He doesn't he's

9:06

not actually trying to do anything

9:08

harm Understand

9:11

but but if you can do

9:13

that it might behoove people to

9:15

be aware of that Like

9:17

if like say oh, no my glasses

9:20

broke like for most people that's like,

9:22

okay us here Drive

9:24

home. Yeah, my vision isn't good enough

9:26

But if it's if you're if you're

9:28

Scott Scott if you're me if you're Scott

9:31

Camera was last name is Scott summers summers

9:33

That means that like if you open your

9:35

eyes you will destroy an entire city block

9:38

and I think I don't know there's a

9:40

bit There's just a lot to do. Anyway,

9:42

this is tangents within tangents. Um, I know

9:44

we are so far off Yeah, the for

9:46

all mankind is a show where in Apollo

9:51

11 gets Scooped

9:53

by the Soviet Union that is

9:55

like the the inciting historical difference.

9:58

So the Soviet Union America

10:00

to the moon and Richard Nixon not

10:02

to be one-upped by the commies decides

10:04

to make a like he declares that

10:06

America is gonna have the first moon

10:08

base hmm and the show takes place

10:10

over multiple decades with differing degrees of

10:12

how good they are at making up

10:15

people to like you know people who

10:17

are in their 40s who are now

10:19

playing people in their 70s but like

10:21

basically the space race continues

10:24

after 1969 and

10:26

gets even more intense and like by

10:28

the most recent season they're like it's

10:30

like it's like 2003 and they're on

10:32

Mars hmm and and there's like alternate

10:35

history stuff going on throughout the entire

10:37

show like different events happen things play

10:39

out differently some of the similar events

10:41

happen it's really good and it's

10:43

the first time cuz like many alternate history stories

10:45

are very much like there's it's always

10:47

so lazy it's always it's almost always like what if

10:49

the Nazis won World War two or what if the

10:51

Confederates won the Civil War and this is the first

10:54

one I saw that was like hey what if things

10:56

were better than the one that we have now like

10:58

what if we had a good alternate history yeah and

11:00

yeah we're like we figured out fusion

11:03

in like the 1990s and like all

11:05

of the like Arabian oil tycoons are

11:07

like struggling to stay afloat because they

11:09

the whole thing that's keeping their oppressive

11:12

regimes afloat isn't working anymore and like

11:14

all the time and you know

11:17

communism is still a viable political

11:20

movement in the 2000s you know positive

11:22

good things yeah it

11:24

does fall it does fall a little

11:26

bit for like so be

11:28

it's like Russia bad which I think

11:31

like it like Russia bad Soviets are

11:33

bad they're unequivocally bad because they're bad

11:35

because communists and communists are bad it

11:37

is a TV show by a trillion-dollar

11:40

company yeah so besides that

11:42

though like it's like one of the

11:44

best shows for like you know having

11:46

a sort of hopeful vision of humanity

11:48

and the sort of general theme that

11:50

runs through every season is that when

11:52

we fall down to our like small

11:54

bickering nationalisms or are like you know

11:56

our personal greed we we

11:58

fall short And when we do

12:00

great things that are designed for like the

12:03

benefit of all humankind, it's when we like

12:05

rise to those occasions. Oh my god. Yeah.

12:08

When we like rise to the occasion and do things

12:10

for the betterment of everybody, we could do great things.

12:12

And that's like the sort of theme that runs the

12:14

show. And it's amazing. And if you haven't watched it

12:16

yet, you just do it. Do it now. You

12:19

signed up for Apple TV so you

12:21

could watch Ted Lasso. Ted Lasso's done.

12:23

It's done now. All of you have-

12:25

You still have your months until Severance

12:27

season two happens. Severance comes out. That's

12:29

what we're hanging on for Severance.

12:31

I think Severance got pushed back

12:33

quite a bit because of the

12:35

strike. Another great- that one is

12:37

definitely more anti-capitalist, which I do

12:40

enjoy. But one of

12:42

the things- this is like the- hopefully like I'm not-

12:44

I don't want to spoil too much of the show.

12:46

But this is something that kind of happens in like

12:48

the first handful of episodes. It's in like the sort

12:51

of political fallout of losing the space race. But one

12:53

of the things that happens that is one of the

12:55

greatest un-economic- or one of the

12:57

things that should have happened in history but never

12:59

did- happens surrounding

13:02

a person that is going

13:04

to be the main focus of this episode today.

13:06

So actually there is a point to this whole

13:08

conversation. There's a point. We're

13:10

like 15, 16

13:12

minutes in and there is a point

13:14

to us talking about. Yeah. So

13:17

this is a podcast called It's Probably Not Aliens. Woo!

13:20

We did it. Yeah. We talked

13:22

about ancient astronaut theory, ancient aliens, pseudo

13:24

history, pseudo archaeology, pseudo science, conspiracy

13:27

theories, all with sort of a sci-fi

13:29

bent. Yes. My name

13:31

is Scott Niswander. I know nothing. I haven't

13:33

even watched For All Man Kind. I'm waiting

13:36

for All Woman Kind to come out because

13:38

I am an ally. Wow. Unlike

13:41

Tristan, who clearly isn't. The

13:43

only thing that I know is

13:45

that I'm going to push back

13:48

against the mutant thing again because

13:50

think about how many people have

13:52

illnesses that get discriminated against in jobs

13:54

and careers and things like that because

13:57

they have to tell people that they

13:59

have certain illnesses. is that Cyclops has

14:02

a disability that would prevent him from getting

14:04

jobs. There's just discrimination all over Tristan. I understand them

14:06

wanting to hide it is all I'm saying. My name

14:08

is Tristan Johnson and I acknowledge that if

14:11

you can kill somebody by making skin-on-skin

14:13

contact with them, that goes outside the

14:15

normal bounds of disability. Just

14:18

wear gloves then. Either way,

14:21

this is a pod. So we are

14:23

sort of three episodes deep into Ancient

14:25

Aliens and the Third Reich, this absolutely

14:27

bonkers episode of Ancient Aliens that has

14:29

so much shit in it. The main

14:32

thing that we're going to be doing

14:34

today though, and I think this is

14:36

going to have to become more the

14:38

norm as we go through this episode, is that this

14:41

episode has a much more clear thing

14:44

it's trying to say, and then it

14:46

spins off in a bunch of directions

14:48

based on like, I'll start with this,

14:50

basically, we've already established in the last

14:52

couple episodes that Ancient Aliens is saying

14:55

that the

14:58

Nazis had alien technology or that

15:00

they just had super technology and

15:02

because that's established, we then go

15:04

into various different aspects of Nazi

15:06

science and such and be like,

15:08

that's how you know that like

15:10

aliens were involved with this. So

15:12

like last week we did their

15:14

Adam Waffen program. We before we

15:16

did Victor Schaubergers anti-gravity

15:19

thing. One of the other claims

15:21

that they make is that the

15:23

breakthrough V1 and V2 rocket program

15:27

were far ahead of their

15:29

time and that they were reverse

15:31

engineering crashed alien spacecraft when they

15:33

developed the first cruise missile and

15:35

the first ballistic missile. Shocking.

15:40

So and that when Operation Paperclip happened,

15:42

that was the Americans taking all of

15:45

the ancient alien technology that the Germans

15:47

had and bringing it to Area 51

15:49

so that they could do their own

15:51

sort of research on it. Just a

15:53

quick one there. So today we're talking

15:55

though specifically about the V1 and V2

15:57

rockets. That's the general gist of what happened

16:00

the next few episodes is going to be, or

16:02

a lot of these episodes are going to be

16:04

like, because we know that the Nazis were reverse

16:06

engineering alien tech, or they just had sci-fi super

16:08

tech, therefore this. And we'll kind

16:11

of like... No, the word no is in

16:13

heavy quotes. Yes, exactly. So the

16:16

general claim today is that the V1

16:18

and V2 rocket programs represented technological advancements

16:20

that were influenced by extraterrestrial technology. That's

16:22

the gist. That's it. So let's talk

16:25

a little bit about this stuff. I

16:27

have another one there. The

16:29

V1, V2 rockets developed by Nazi

16:32

Germany, during World War II, were

16:34

part of a long-range artillery program

16:36

known as the Vergeltungswaffen, or retaliatory

16:38

weapons. We'll get more into

16:40

the V1 and V2 rocketry programs, but they

16:43

were huge technological advances that increased the maximum

16:45

range of what you could do. If you

16:47

think about this before this, the

16:49

most that you could do was fire

16:51

artillery shells, which was just firing a

16:53

shell out of a cannon and having

16:55

it explode. The V1 was the first

16:57

cruise missile, which is a propelled rocket

16:59

that had a missile on board. And

17:02

the V2 rocket increased the range

17:05

and also developed a guidance system. So it

17:07

was the first missile that you could actually

17:10

adjust its trajectory while flying. Oh, that's kind

17:12

of cool. And one of

17:14

the key figures for developing the V2

17:16

rocket was a physicist slash scientist named

17:18

Wernher von Braun. I've heard this name

17:21

before. Yeah, he's going to be... He's

17:23

our main character today. He's the

17:26

main character of Twitter today. Yeah, he's

17:28

Bean Dad, but for rockets. Gosh,

17:30

that's old. What sucks is that

17:32

one of my favorite songs was made by Bean Dad, and

17:34

I feel bad every time I listen to it. Stop listening

17:36

to it, but it's so good. Nope,

17:38

it's done. It's ruined by beans. Okay.

17:40

But this is not a really good one to go on.

17:43

The general bit that you can say about this,

17:45

and this is what makes the debunking part of

17:47

this video, or this episode not really great, is

17:50

that the point is that there's no

17:52

evidence to show this. It's very obvious that this

17:54

shit was just made up. It's

17:57

a lie. It's untrue. It's

17:59

just a lie. We have

18:01

pretty good evidence to show exactly how the V2

18:03

rocket program, the V1 rocket program worked. And we

18:05

know very well that it was done by human

18:08

engineers because we have like all of the evidence.

18:10

And we have people who literally worked on these

18:12

programs who described everything they did. Pretty

18:15

strong evidence then. Yeah, the biggest one being

18:17

is that after World War II, the Americans

18:19

took a whole bunch of that technology and

18:21

just brought it back to use it. And

18:26

that if they had gotten super like sci-fi

18:28

weapons, they would have used them

18:30

to do Soviet stuff. Yeah,

18:33

the main thing to talk about though with

18:36

the V1 and V2 rockets is that the

18:38

reason they were so impressive and so fast

18:40

is because they were the result of intense

18:42

research and development by German scientists and engineers.

18:45

And they were also built by forced labor

18:47

under inhumane conditions. Oh no. Yeah,

18:49

so like that's kind of... You could

18:52

have seen that coming. So again, this

18:54

plays into the bigger idea that Nazi

18:56

Germany had access to alien technology, which

18:58

is again, it's an

19:01

un-fact. There's no evidence that actually

19:03

happened. It is kind

19:05

of fitting that a lot

19:07

of stuff that ancient

19:09

aliens and ancient astronaut theory says

19:11

is like alien technology or like

19:13

was made by aliens or something

19:15

is actually just slaves. You know

19:17

what I mean? Just slave

19:19

labor. How did they do it? How did

19:21

they move the big rocks? How did they

19:24

build the pyramids? How did they make the

19:26

rockets? It's just slave labor, bud. That's it.

19:28

I'm actually reading this really great book right

19:30

now called Humankind that talks a lot about

19:32

how things like the Moai statues and like

19:34

a lot of these like Gobekli Tepe and

19:36

stuff like that were probably made because

19:39

before farming, people had so much free time that

19:41

moving big rocks was just sort of like a

19:43

thing that you could do to structure your day.

19:47

Like kind of just a thing to keep you busy because you

19:49

had so much free time to just chill because humans are designed

19:51

to forage for a little bit and then chill for most of

19:53

the day. Yeah. Just hey, there's a rock over here. You want

19:55

to move it over there? Yeah, I got nothing going on. Yeah.

19:57

Well, I mean, like if you have like humans are have

19:59

like a sort of... of biological need to create things. And

20:01

so if we're just like hanging around doing nothing,

20:03

then we start like, hey, what if I made

20:06

this rock look like a face, well let's stand

20:08

it up. All right, and then you can see

20:10

how that accelerates. Oh yeah, we don't have that

20:12

anymore. Everyone's locked into their Apple Vision Pros. Yeah,

20:14

on their skateboard. On their skateboard

20:17

at McDonald's. Okay, I will say, if they're

20:20

just doing it for clout or whatever, I

20:22

always just am reminded that I'm like, Casey

20:24

Neistat just- You don't have to say any

20:26

more than that. I'm with you immediately. He's

20:29

an extremely exhausting human being. Yeah.

20:32

He is the perfect sign that being rich,

20:34

like there's this whole, like, you know, there's

20:36

this sort of liberal fantasy that rich people

20:39

are rich because they're the most innovative and

20:41

intelligent and most like perfect people. Yeah, they

20:43

got through the meritocracy. Yeah, Casey Neistat is

20:45

a repudiation of- I

20:49

knew that from the moment he made an entire

20:51

video talking to how much he loved the Juicero.

20:53

Oh my God. I just wanna know how much

20:55

money he lost on NFTs. Because it's a lot.

20:57

I don't know how much it is, but I

20:59

know it's a lot. I mean, you still

21:01

had enough to buy a $3,500 headset. So

21:06

must be doing okay. Yeah, okay. So

21:08

the thing about this whole idea of

21:10

Nazis having UFOs got popularized through a

21:13

bunch of books and documentaries like Third

21:15

Reich, Hitler's UFOs and the

21:17

Nazis most powerful weapon, or Sausage

21:19

of Fear, Nazi UFO's alien abduction,

21:21

Project Bluebeam, which we definitely didn't make a

21:23

video about or an episode about at some

21:25

point, high-tech horrors from

21:28

the X-Files of Sosarian

21:30

Press. What a book title.

21:32

What a book title. The Nazi UFO's,

21:34

Where Are They Now? Good question. Good

21:36

question. No way. You're

21:39

on the right track. Keep following

21:42

that thought. Exactly.

21:45

In Search of Aliens, World War

21:47

II, time travel warfare. They

21:50

couldn't time travel to realize that fascism is

21:52

a loser ideology, but okay. Unidentified

21:55

fascist objects, which admittedly great title

21:58

for an article. Holy

22:00

shit, what a good title. But that is

22:02

actually Unidentified Fascist Object is the article that

22:04

a lot of this research came from because

22:06

it is debunking all of this stuff. But

22:08

it is a sort of study of the

22:11

actual connection between Holocaust deniers

22:13

and the Nazi UFO conspiracy.

22:17

So because it talks about people like

22:19

Ernst Zundell, who was a prolific Holocaust

22:21

denier who also got into UFO culture

22:23

and was one of the propagators of

22:25

the ideas of Nazi UFOs. I

22:28

mean, it's something you've said a lot before on

22:30

this podcast is like, it's really easy

22:33

to go from one conspiracy and start

22:35

believing in others. And I feel like this

22:38

is a really good example of this sort

22:40

of Venn diagram sort of crossing over. Yeah,

22:43

it's weird how it keeps happening. Anyways, the

22:45

other sort of side, the ancient alien side

22:47

is that sometimes they also have a different

22:49

sort of spin on it that they didn't

22:51

get it from a UFO, but they got

22:53

it by like sending archaeologists to like sites

22:55

in India and stuff like that. They got

22:57

the Vemana tech, they got the nuclear tech

23:00

from like they kind of did that kind of thing. The

23:02

Nazi UFO's narrative is also built on the

23:04

fact that the Nazis did have an interest

23:06

in the occult and that they had these

23:08

Wunderwaffe or miracle weapons, which was kind of

23:10

like part moonshot program to try and turn

23:13

around their faith as they were losing World

23:15

War II, but also part propaganda effort because

23:17

kind of get into this later, but fascists

23:19

sort of have a actually, no, it's the

23:21

thing I'm getting into my next YouTube video.

23:23

The fascists have always had sort of a

23:25

weird fetishization of technology, which explains why so

23:27

many of them now have pictures

23:30

of apes on their Twitter profile pictures.

23:33

Oh, I see. I see. So like

23:35

the Nazis did have a bunch of

23:37

stuff that had to do with, with

23:39

like the fetishizing this technology and thinking

23:41

that they could win the war that

23:43

was based around, you know, just pumping

23:45

out enough stuff. Like

23:48

World War II was very much like, how

23:50

can you get your economy to pump out

23:52

more tanks, bullets, guns, trucks,

23:54

people who are trained? Yeah.

23:57

World War II was. about

24:00

getting on that grind set, getting on

24:02

that, getting on the killing

24:06

other people grind set. Yeah. World War

24:08

II was very much like, because the

24:10

technologies were, you know, as soon as

24:12

you invented something, your enemy would blow

24:14

up one of them and then reverse

24:16

engineer it and they would have like,

24:18

you know, counters pretty fast. So World

24:20

War II very much became, how can

24:22

you like, mobilize your entire economy to

24:24

out economy the other side's economy? That's

24:26

right. Hustle. And it turns out

24:28

to win that you just have to have a

24:31

fully, full command

24:33

economy under a Soviet Stalinist

24:36

economic order seems to be the most efficient because you

24:38

can just... You gotta attend a

24:40

long weekend Gary V conference

24:43

and you'll be inspired. Joseph Stalin, big fan

24:46

of Gary Vee, it was put an entire

24:48

economy on the hustle grind set. Was like,

24:51

hustle grind set, I wake up,

24:53

I have three weeks in the span

24:55

of one week. Think about that. Think about that.

24:57

All right? His five year plans were his five

24:59

year plans and his like, insane quotas. It was

25:01

all just trying to get the Soviet Union on

25:03

that hustle grind set. Hey,

25:07

this is Joey S here. Just

25:09

trying to motivate you all to. You gonna NFT a

25:11

house? That was the weirdest thing I've ever heard Gary

25:13

Vee say. I still don't understand it to this day.

25:16

He was like... Gary Vee doesn't understand it. He was

25:18

like, you get a house, NFT it. And then

25:20

in this many years, I'm like, what do you mean?

25:22

What does that mean, Gary? We're

25:24

going for a very specific kind

25:27

of person today. Yeah. Sorry.

25:29

Gary Vee is one of those people that

25:31

I put them on a list of... There's

25:33

a small list of people I have that

25:36

involves people like Matt Iglesias, where I will

25:38

say, there is nobody on earth who is

25:40

as smart as these people think they are.

25:45

That's good. So yeah, the sort

25:47

of like the Wunderwaffe program was

25:49

this idea that they would just

25:51

solve World War

25:53

II change through technology and not

25:55

through economics, mostly because Germany, as

25:57

we kind of established in the

25:59

show... last episode, the

26:01

whole idea about World War II

26:03

is that Germany was on the

26:05

economic back foot compared to countries

26:07

like the Soviet Union and the

26:09

Allies, who the Allies all had

26:11

massive colonial empires and the Soviet

26:13

Union had hundreds of millions of

26:15

people and just like people. And

26:19

also, and like, you know, this is one that like

26:21

Cold War propaganda doesn't really want to give a lot

26:23

of credit to, but they had an economy where it

26:25

was fully run by the government. So like, if they

26:27

needed to be like, hey, all of those things that

26:29

made cans for food, they all need to be

26:31

turned into tank factories. And it's going to happen

26:33

right now. Yeah. Or like, if the Germans are

26:35

going to take our factory, we're going to tear

26:38

it down brick by brick, put it on to

26:40

train, send it to Siberia, rebuild the factory brick

26:42

by brick. And then like, the Soviets, the Soviets

26:44

had just like this economy where they could just,

26:46

they could do anything because it was all do

26:48

whatever they needed to do. Yeah.

26:50

And that that sort of also turned the

26:52

war around for them pretty, pretty impressively. I

26:54

mean, it was also a brutal dictatorship that

26:56

the people who had to do all the

26:58

work to make that stuff happen. It

27:01

was terrible and the working conditions were

27:03

awful. Oh, yeah, right. Let's not sugarcoat

27:05

it, as if everything was... I know

27:07

Stalin's fan here. No, no, no, no,

27:09

no, no. Stalin's economic planning was good

27:11

for one specific thing, which was entirely

27:14

converting the economy for a single

27:16

purpose. And if that single purpose is defeating

27:18

fascists, then like, it's not the worst thing

27:20

in the world. The thing though, is that

27:22

the Wunderwaffe program was like, we're just going

27:24

to invent cool, crazy things. Let's go. Yeah.

27:26

Despite the effectiveness of these weapons, propaganda talked

27:28

about them being these huge, outstanding, groundbreaking

27:31

technologies that were going to turn

27:33

the tide of the war any

27:35

day now, trying to kind of

27:37

boost morale in Germany during the

27:39

end of the war. Okay. But

27:41

a lot of these were impractical

27:43

or resource intensive, or just like

27:45

too late to actually make a

27:47

difference. It's like CES, right? Mm

27:49

hmm. Where it's, you've got all

27:51

these companies coming out being like,

27:53

this is the new technology we've

27:55

got in the future. And it's

27:57

like really wild stuff that's either

27:59

like... trickery and doesn't

28:01

actually work the way it is, or it's

28:03

like way too expensive that no one could

28:05

ever actually buy it. That's what I feel

28:08

like it is, like it is CES. That's

28:10

not too far off actually. So the thing

28:12

is though, if you are say a person

28:14

who maybe is enticed by Nazi ideas after

28:16

World War II, a neo-Nazi if you will.

28:18

Huh, that's a good, you just coined that

28:20

one? Yeah, pretty good. If you think that

28:23

and then you see all this propaganda from

28:25

the war, then you might be inclined to

28:27

think that there's more to it than this,

28:29

and that's sort of like, in my mind

28:31

I think that is like the origin of

28:33

a lot of these like you know Nazis

28:35

had super weapons type thinking. I just want

28:38

to give you a couple idea, a couple,

28:40

I wrote down a few examples of these

28:42

kinds of Wunderwaffeen programs. So first was the

28:44

Sverigustag, the heavy Gustav, an 800 millimeter

28:47

gun that you would put on

28:49

a train. So this is

28:51

the largest artillery piece that had ever

28:53

been used in warfare. It's a massive

28:55

gun that required an entire logistics effort

28:57

to just assemble it and move it,

28:59

but it was a artillery gun so

29:01

big that you had to mount it on

29:03

a train. Bigger gun, that's how you win

29:05

war, bigger gun. Yeah, the other one would

29:07

be the V3 cannon otherwise known as the

29:10

Vaktrunkumpa, which was this multi-stage

29:12

super long-range cannon. This is the one

29:15

we talked about that used coordinated explosions

29:17

to fire shells across the English Channel

29:19

to land them into London. They were

29:21

gonna build these in the Padaukale region

29:24

but they never actually got one up

29:26

and running. They had

29:28

the Kumlao, which was this barrel attachment for

29:30

the Stumgever 44 assault

29:32

rifle that would

29:35

allow it to shoot around corners. Yeah,

29:38

they built one of these but it had an extremely

29:40

short barrel life and was just completely impractical for using

29:42

it in a lot of things, which

29:45

means that yeah firing it a few times

29:47

it would wear itself out. They then invented

29:49

the Panhandrum, which was this rocket-propelled

29:51

explosive wheel that would go over like

29:54

sort of there's like one of the

29:56

other sort of defensive technologies were like

29:58

people building like concrete walls so this would

30:00

be like a rocket propelled

30:02

wheel that would like roll over the

30:05

walls and explode this is like Junkrat's

30:07

tire yeah yeah somebody needs to

30:17

investigate Junkrat yeah actually

30:19

I have some follow-up questions for

30:21

Junkrat the problem is that

30:24

it was like a Junkrat unreliable and uncontrollable

30:27

and that's why friends don't let friends play Junkrat

30:29

anyways right there is also

30:31

the triflugeljager jager which was a verdict

30:34

was an attempt to make a vertical

30:36

takeoff and landing interceptor with rotating wings

30:38

which is we already know about vertical

30:40

taking off and landing interceptors it's hard

30:42

to do they're still working on that

30:44

one no no we can't we can't

30:46

we can't Osprey post anymore we get

30:51

all we can say is it's just

30:53

hard to do it's hard to do

30:55

it that's fair the Osprey does exist

30:57

its safety record is something there was

31:00

also the Roch Stalitz

31:03

4 which was a wire guided

31:06

air-to-air missile so it was

31:08

a an air tear missile like a missile that would fire

31:10

from a plane to hit other planes oh but it was

31:13

this one might have actually worked but it began production

31:15

1945 and the

31:18

Germans didn't last long and away coming to full

31:20

production yeah little yeah a little late on that

31:22

one there was the Panzer 8 Maus which was

31:24

a super heavy tank this is the one where

31:26

they were trying to make tanks out of naval

31:28

parts too heavy and impractical for actual combat they

31:30

made two prototypes that never actually saw combat

31:32

mm-hmm there was the ME 163 comets which

31:34

was a rocket-powered

31:37

interceptor but so you want to you

31:39

want to know something that sounds absolutely

31:41

insane so the Emmy 163 comet yes

31:43

this is an attempt to build a

31:45

rocket plane on a rocket plane they're

31:48

like let's take the lead to rocket

31:50

technology and apply it to airplane let's

31:53

go you'll be surprised to know that

31:55

the comet was quotes difficult to fly

31:57

and dangerous to

32:00

its own pilots due to volatile

32:02

fuel. Maybe

32:04

strapping people onto a missile, not viable.

32:06

Well, I guess that's basically what rockets

32:09

are today, but that's rocket. Yeah. Then

32:11

there was the ME 262 Schwalbe, which

32:13

was the world's first jet aircraft,

32:15

but it had a lot of delays and

32:18

its deployment came out too late and it

32:20

was too unreliable to actually work in the

32:22

field. So it didn't actually do very well.

32:24

Fair enough. All of these, lots of German

32:26

weapons productions, especially ones on the Wunderwaffe program

32:28

also relied heavily. Again, I'm going to

32:30

reply on forced slave labor because a

32:33

lot of this technological advancements happened on

32:35

the exploitation of the suffering of countless

32:37

individuals. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Other

32:40

part that also brings people into this is

32:42

the idea that Nazis were into the occult,

32:44

which some segments of the Nazi party actually

32:46

did have an interest in with like people

32:48

like Heimler Kinler who had like sort of

32:51

this weird interest in like Germanic myths. The

32:53

thing though is that this has been one

32:55

of the most overstated things and has been

32:57

really played within pop culture with everything from,

33:00

you know, Captain America to, to

33:03

Hellboy to like. Yeah, I was thinking Hellboy.

33:05

It's become such a big thing in pop

33:07

culture that it's been, but it's been like

33:09

grotesquely overstated. And the idea that like these

33:11

sort of myths that some high ranking Nazi

33:14

officials had like a side interest in, that

33:16

it had any role in like actual decision

33:18

making or like Nazi ideology is not very

33:20

strong. Just a little too fabricated. Yeah. It's

33:23

just a nice story that people say, I

33:25

guess not really a nice story. It's one

33:27

of those, it's one of those things that,

33:30

that we can use to otherize or

33:32

to sort of, to talk about the

33:34

Nazis as if they had some sort

33:37

of like evil or alien process to

33:39

distance the fact that their beliefs were

33:41

extreme versions of ones that are so

33:43

prevalent today, you know, that their, their

33:46

main ideology was nationalism, racism, and

33:48

the sort of drive to create

33:50

colonial spaces, which were all things

33:52

that Western countries also did. The

33:55

Germans just did it harder. So

33:57

we have to sort of say

33:59

like, yay. Yeah, but also

34:01

there was this guy that

34:03

was really obsessed with these like ridiculous

34:06

myths and things

34:09

like that. And we don't do that part.

34:11

Yeah. And that like they weren't

34:13

Christian, they were into like ancient Teutonic myths. And

34:16

we'll just not talk about how quiet the Pope

34:18

was and how much he might have known about

34:20

the Holocaust and didn't say or do anything about

34:22

it. I'm learning a lot about Popes this week

34:25

for a video that I'm doing. Interesting. We'll

34:27

get into that. And when I promote my

34:29

next video. Sweet. So

34:31

that's the other thing. A lot of times

34:34

also that we found that there's a lot

34:36

of like images that come out from the

34:38

Nazi regime are like photoshopped or fictional stories

34:40

like that came out way later. Like a

34:42

lot of books that came out in the

34:44

90s when like UFO, UFO Renaissance happened through

34:46

like the X-Files. Of course. And

34:48

you know, if there's two things that people are

34:50

fascinated by, it's UFOs and Nazis. So obviously someone

34:52

was going to slap the two together to make

34:54

a quick buck off of some books. Peanut

34:56

butter and chocolate, put it together. They're better together.

35:00

So that's like that's basically like putting to

35:02

rest the idea that the V1 and V2

35:04

rockets were supernatural technology. But I

35:06

do have I do want to talk about

35:08

the actual V1 and V2 rocket program. I

35:10

would love to learn about real history on

35:12

this show. I feel like we don't do

35:14

that enough. We only do it once a

35:16

week and it's that time again. So I

35:19

would love to learn about real, real history

35:21

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36:05

Okay, rockets. Rockets! Everyone loves them. They

36:07

do all sorts of cool things. And

36:09

you know what? The idea that the

36:11

V1 and V2 rocket programs were like

36:13

the invention of them is actually a

36:15

bit of a misnomer. Because they have

36:17

been around for a long ass time.

36:19

But the number one in its name,

36:21

it's gotta be the first one. Well,

36:23

it turns out that rockets actually, like

36:25

all technology, evolve in a context. You

36:27

know how I feel about context. Yeah,

36:29

I have a t-shirt that explains it.

36:32

Yeah, love it. Kinking it up. So

36:34

the first rockets that I could find

36:36

actually being used are from the 10th

36:38

century. Which would be the 1100s. So

36:40

that's a little earlier than World War

36:42

II. Yeah. So how

36:44

did that work? So the first rockets,

36:46

or the first things that we could

36:49

call rockets, were found in the Song

36:51

Dynasty period in China. And what

36:53

they would do is they would attach

36:55

propulsion systems onto arrows. Make them fly

36:57

farther. Yeah, basically. Although there's solid documentary

36:59

evidence show it. Like the evidence of

37:02

rockets existing doesn't show up until the

37:04

13th century. But like writings in the

37:06

13th century say that in the 10th

37:08

century they were using. So there might

37:10

be a bit of like a mythological

37:12

thing going on. But sometime in the

37:15

10th to 13th century, they were using

37:17

rockets as like a way to accelerate

37:19

arrows in China. That's cool. Further,

37:22

faster, harder, explodeier. I need some French

37:24

robots here to turn that into a

37:26

song. Yeah, further, faster. They

37:28

broke up, didn't they? Stronger. Yeah,

37:30

a while back, I feel. Yeah.

37:32

But we can get them back

37:34

together for this one. So Europe

37:36

didn't seem to find the rocket

37:38

until the 16th century when an

37:40

Austrian by the name of Konrad Haas

37:43

wrote a treatise on rocketry including

37:45

ideas for crude rockets. Yeah. All

37:47

right. Rockets that are a

37:49

little blue collar. They'll say what

37:51

they're thinking. Yeah. But you imagine like,

37:54

man, I want like, what would you

37:56

even call this? Like, like enlightenment punk

37:58

of like Like a thing

38:00

where like Austrians figured out how to make

38:03

like rockets and go to space and like

38:05

the the the The

38:07

eight like 1600s that would be fucking

38:09

that would fucking rule And that's really

38:11

wild the 1500s. Yeah another

38:13

example in Europe would be in the

38:15

17th century in for the history nerd

38:17

One of our favorite weird countries that

38:19

we doesn't exist anymore, which was the

38:21

Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth Oh, yes,

38:24

I'm hearing of this if you are

38:26

a nerd especially a paradox Interactive nerd

38:28

the post Lithuanian Commonwealth is like a bit of a meme

38:31

But the post Lithuanian general from their

38:33

names and I apologize for this extremely

38:35

Polish name that I'm gonna read Kazimir

38:38

it's Sema Novich who

38:40

published a book called the complete

38:42

art of artillery Which also had

38:44

a bunch of stuff in it

38:46

that increased an advanced rocket tech

38:49

Oh, you can't spell artillery without

38:51

art or ill because it's sick,

38:53

dude It's artillery is

38:55

sick. This is art and it's ill. Yeah,

38:57

it is the most 90s thing ever The

39:01

principle behind Rockets was outlined in something

39:03

called the rocket equation, which was pioneered

39:05

by a Russian scientist

39:08

by the name of Constantine slosky

39:11

Polsky That's

39:13

it. That's a published the equation in 1903 Which

39:17

basically was the beginning of modern rocket

39:19

science the sort of physics that you

39:21

need to understand the relationship between mass

39:24

speed and the speed of what is

39:26

basically how a rocket works which is

39:28

that it's about gas being

39:31

Shot at high pressure out of the

39:33

back of an object to give in

39:35

thrust Do you think it was do

39:38

you think that this was all created

39:40

because our boy Constantine? Someone

39:42

was like, how do you think this works? And

39:44

he goes, I don't know I'm no rocket scientist,

39:46

but I could be this guy's the ultimate rocket

39:49

scientist because he basically invented rocket science He is

39:51

he is the one he met the he met

39:53

the first brain surgeon and was like that guy

39:55

that guy thinks he's so smart I'm gonna invent

39:57

something. I could also be a smart first an

40:00

analog for a smart person. Yeah. There's a

40:02

really great skit from Mitchell and Webb where

40:04

two people, they're at a party and there's

40:06

two, this guy's showing off that he is

40:08

a brain surgeon and shows how he's smarter

40:10

than everyone else. And then he runs into

40:12

another guy at the party who is a

40:14

rocket scientist. And the two of

40:16

them try to out-assle each other about browbeating

40:19

about how smart they are. It's a great

40:21

skit. It's pretty good. But basically, this stuff

40:24

is all about, like Konstantin

40:26

Swolkowski's work was about the

40:28

math, about how

40:30

much mass and speed and propellant

40:33

you would need to like, if you needed to get

40:35

a rocket this many feet in the air, that weight

40:37

that sent this much of a payload up, you would

40:39

need this much fuel coming out at this much speed.

40:42

And like that sort of math is still key to

40:44

like how we get things to space today, right? Because

40:46

that's why things cost like $10,000 a kilogram to

40:49

get to space because to send one kilogram of

40:51

mass into space, you need like X amount of

40:53

kilograms of fuel to shoot the rocket into space

40:55

with it on it. And then that fuel needs

40:58

to make up for its own weight and

41:00

like how that fuel, it just keeps adding

41:02

onto itself. Yeah, that's why like if you

41:05

ever hear about Lincoln Science Fiction, we'll talk

41:07

about things like space elevators or even like

41:09

some thoughts about like making a giant Gauss

41:11

cannon that would use magnets to fire things

41:14

into space. Use magnets, yeah. The

41:16

whole concept is- So you don't have to

41:18

use fuel. Yeah, because this is the number

41:20

one thing stopping us from going into space

41:22

and going to space all the time is

41:24

that the gravity well is prohibitively hard to

41:26

do things with. So that's the big part.

41:29

Then the first like, you know,

41:31

one of the biggest successful flights with

41:34

a liquid propelled rocket came in only

41:36

in the 20th century with a guy

41:38

named Robert Goddard, who was an

41:41

American. Wait, from Jimmy Neutron? Maybe it's probably

41:43

where the Jimmy Neutron got the name. Goddard,

41:45

that's what he says. Did this one also

41:47

just bark? Was this one a dog as

41:49

well? Could be. Jimmy Neutron wouldn't

41:51

name a dog after a person now, would he? Maybe.

41:56

Jimmy Neutron's one of those things that is

41:58

like, it separates me from like a- like

42:00

there's a cutoff because Jimmy Neutron was one of like

42:02

the first cartoons that was a little bit too young

42:04

for me. I was worried when I

42:06

said it that you wouldn't know what I was talking

42:08

about. I know of Jimmy Neutron. I just know that

42:10

Jimmy Neutron was like, that's what like the sort of

42:12

10 and 12 year olds were watching when I was

42:15

like 13, 14, you know? Gotcha.

42:17

Just like how like I think the same thing that there's

42:19

also the stuff that you know, like the older kids were

42:21

watching that were a little bit too old for you. For

42:23

me, it was like the OG Transformers and Ninja Turtles. And

42:26

mine was like, you know, Wars and

42:29

some weird YTV show where really

42:33

poorly 3D animated planets that represented the different

42:35

elements for each other over a death planet

42:37

that eight other planets. It was a good

42:39

show. I don't remember anything about it. I

42:41

mean, it was probably an awful show because

42:43

it was made for like eight year old

42:45

boys. But who and trying to sell toys.

42:47

But, you know, it was trying to remember

42:49

correctly. It was trying to sell basically Polly

42:51

Pocket, but for this one's for the boys.

42:53

This one's for the boys. Yeah. This one's

42:55

Wally Wallet. And

42:57

this is a planet that eats other planets. Yeah.

43:01

And I remember it was a planet that ate other

43:03

planets, but the planet eater like literally had like a

43:05

big like like like a claw like from a claw

43:07

machine that would come out and grab the planet and

43:09

take it inside to eat it. Oh

43:11

my God. It was ridiculous. It was

43:13

definitely like a toy commercial first and

43:16

an attempt at the cartoons or toy

43:18

commercials first, especially in the 80s and

43:20

90s, I think. All right. Back to

43:22

Goddard. OK, so so, yeah, Goddard made

43:25

a liquid, a fuel out of liquid

43:27

oxygen and gasoline, which is honestly pretty

43:29

interesting because that's not too far off from

43:31

what rocket fuel is today. Like

43:33

the rocket fuel that goes into the rockets that go

43:36

into space today is primarily liquid oxygen and kerosene. You

43:38

ever notice that, like, when you see a rocket going

43:40

off and just tons of like mist and steam on

43:42

the air, it's because they're it's they're full of liquid

43:44

oxygen, which is extremely cold. I

43:47

thought it was just to make it look

43:49

cool. I mean, does that do. But like,

43:51

that's the reason why that stuff is like

43:53

those fuel tanks are freezing because to have

43:55

oxygen be cold enough to be liquid is

43:57

very low temperature. Yeah. That's interesting. of

44:00

what rocketry was when we get into

44:02

World War II. And during World War

44:04

II, Germany then tried to use rockets

44:07

to build flying bombs was basically their

44:09

idea. They started with the V-1, which

44:11

was called the Flying Bomb, which was

44:13

developed at Pernodnud Army Research Base

44:15

in 1939 and was the

44:18

first operational cruise missile. It used a

44:20

pulse jet engine, which gave it this

44:22

distinctive buzzing sound. So sometimes it got

44:24

nicknames among the allies with like the

44:27

Buzz Bomb. Ooh, Buzz Bomb. Do you

44:29

have Buzz balls up in Canada? No,

44:32

they're like spherical pop bottles or something

44:34

like that, right? No, they're full of

44:36

alcohol. Okay, yeah, I think I've seen

44:39

them in... They will fuck you up.

44:41

Sometimes when I go to... Because my

44:43

wife is an American immigrant and sometimes

44:46

when we go to her family for

44:48

Christmas, I think I see them in

44:50

the liquor store. Yeah. All such liquor

44:53

stores are interesting phenomenon because here they're

44:55

all run by the government. So like

44:57

they're all like pristine, clean, unionized, fancy

44:59

places and like liquor stores there

45:02

are kind of sketchy sometimes. Sometimes, spend

45:04

somewhere you go. Indiana. Well, they are.

45:07

The V-1 was about 25 feet long, had

45:10

a wingspan about 17 feet long and carried a 850 kilogram

45:12

or 1870

45:15

pound warhead. And they would launch

45:17

them off of a ramp using

45:20

a steam catapult or

45:22

a modified Tenkel K-111 aircraft. And

45:24

its guidance system used a gyroscope,

45:26

which is one of the coolest

45:29

inventions ever and had an

45:31

autopilot that tried to keep it

45:33

at a predetermined altitude and speed with a range

45:35

of about 240 kilometers, but

45:37

it got increased to 400 kilometers later. So

45:39

you can imagine in war before this, all

45:41

you had was what you could fire out

45:43

of an artillery shell. Now, that can still

45:45

go very far. And if you knew the

45:47

math on how to angle things correctly, you

45:49

still get pretty far, but being able to

45:51

fire a missile that can go 240 kilometers

45:53

was insane.

45:55

Well, that's what I imagine. That's why they built

45:58

the big gun, the big rail gun. Yeah, that

46:00

was that attention to shoot far to do it

46:02

without having to make expensive rockets, basically, right? Yeah,

46:04

big gun. Big gun. Big gun shoot far. Big

46:06

gun, I mean, big gun does shoot far. That

46:09

is the gout thing to get things into spaces,

46:11

basically. Yeah,

46:13

big gun shoot real far. If you think about it,

46:15

the gout gun is basically them trying to do the

46:18

exact same thing the Nazis did when they were trying

46:20

to solve the same problem. The rockets are too expensive.

46:22

Let's just make a big gun that shoots things and

46:24

stuff. Shoot people into space, yeah. Well, the thing with

46:26

the gout guns is that the one thing you wouldn't

46:29

be able to do is send people into

46:31

space because the G-forces involved would basically turn

46:33

them into silly buddies. Stop

46:35

me. I dare you. You

46:37

would just be turned into paste. G-forces

46:39

are no joke. That's another limitation, is

46:41

that human beings are very sensitive to

46:43

G-forces. And you can't really

46:45

go too fast into space or else you

46:48

will crush everybody inside. The V1 rocket was

46:50

significant because it was the first use of

46:52

a guided missile in warfare. It was also

46:54

relatively inexpensive and quick to produce. It was

46:57

about the cost of a small car. Okay.

46:59

And it was the beginning of modern missile

47:01

technology, which I think you could... I don't have

47:03

to go... I think goes without saying today that

47:05

missiles play a pretty large role in modern warfare.

47:07

Yeah. The first

47:09

successful V1 flight took place on 1942

47:11

and was put into production in

47:13

1943 and primarily was used to target London

47:16

and parts of Britain. The first attack happened

47:18

on June 13, 1944, but during the war,

47:20

approximately 9,251 of these V1s were fired. 2,515

47:28

reached London and killed about 6,184 civilians with about 1,700 or 17,981

47:30

injuries. So

47:38

this was quite a brutal technology. Just when you

47:40

say 9,000 were fired and 2,500 reached London, were

47:42

they all aimed at London and like 7,000 of

47:44

them just didn't quite make it there? I

47:52

think that might be correct. Wow.

47:55

I mean, still devastating the amount

47:57

of civilian deaths and

47:59

injuries. But also that's

48:01

7,000 missiles that just

48:03

crashed in the water are just crashed in

48:05

the water, I guess. Or they just like,

48:07

you know, landed somewhere outside of London. That's

48:09

also true. There's like a whole thing in

48:12

Europe where they shut down. They

48:14

have to shut down. Well, there's other parts of Britain too. A

48:17

lot of people in London don't know that, but it's true. But

48:20

like, fairly often, you'll see a news story where

48:22

like, somebody's like digging in their yard and they

48:24

accidentally find an unexploded ordinance from one of the

48:26

world wars and like they have like bring in

48:29

bomb disposal people to like remove it. Yeah. So

48:32

it happens a lot in Belgium with World War One

48:34

stuff, but it happens in

48:36

Britain every so often too. I know. The main things that

48:38

stop the V1 is that the

48:40

allies started building defenses against it. The

48:42

V, one of them, they would be

48:45

fighter planes, anti-aircraft batteries, barrage

48:47

balloons, which I love the idea of barrage balloons

48:49

so much, which would say, if you probably seen

48:51

these and like, if you're like trying to make

48:53

Yeah. World War Two Britain look really World War

48:56

Two-y, you'll see these big like balloons floating over

48:58

the city and they're supposed to be like balloons

49:00

that basically deflect bombs and rockets. Oh, it's like

49:02

bounce off of them? Yeah. Oh, that's

49:05

funny. Yeah. And the

49:07

V1 rocket program, yeah, there's also, yeah, anti-aircraft

49:10

guns would basically take down. That's the other

49:12

part. Some of them wouldn't hit like 2515

49:14

hit London, but also many of them either

49:19

missed or were shot down with

49:21

anti-aircraft guns or with fighter jets.

49:23

Bounced around with those balloons. Yeah.

49:25

But basically the threat of V1

49:27

rockets only ended when the allies

49:29

just overran all of the launch

49:31

sites near the end of the war.

49:34

Oh, that'll do it. Yeah. So that meant

49:36

that the Nazis also needed to look into

49:38

the V2 program, which also was called the

49:40

A4 program, which was the first operational liquid

49:43

fuel rocket ballistic missile. All right. And this

49:45

one was- The Squeakle. Yeah, this one's the

49:47

Squeakle. This is the Squeakle. 14

49:50

meters long, weighed 12,000 kilograms. Okay.

49:53

And 725 kilos of explosives or 1,600 pounds. It's

49:58

guiding boy. Yeah. The guidance system was

50:00

designed to shut off at a predetermined velocity to

50:03

start a parabolic freefall towards

50:05

the target. Oh, clever. It could

50:07

fly up as high as 50 or 60 miles in the air and

50:09

could get a speed as high as 3400

50:12

miles per hour, which was a huge

50:14

advancement for rocket technology and became a

50:16

huge part of the technology that would

50:18

lead to the rocket, the ones that

50:20

we use to go to space. Space

50:22

rockets, the ones that are not supposed

50:24

to explode. Unless Elon Musk is

50:27

making them. Even then they're not supposed to

50:29

explode. They just do a lot. They just

50:31

do. Look, it was a control, they're controlled

50:33

explosions, Tristan. It's supposed to happen on purpose.

50:35

Yeah, he meant to do that. Elon

50:38

needs more ketamine, everybody. He's in the deep K

50:40

hole right now. They produced about 6000 of these

50:42

and launched about 2600 of them to cities like

50:44

London, Paris,

50:47

Lille, and Antwerp. They killed about 5000 people,

50:49

but these ones were way more expensive. And the

50:51

only thing too is that they were harder to

50:53

develop and build and were primarily built by

50:56

prisoners at the Miltil Baladora concentration camp. And

50:58

a lot of them, people died in the

51:00

process of manufacturing it. So the main thing

51:02

I want to get to is that after

51:05

World War II, the United States and Soviet

51:08

Union both captured V2 rockets to reverse engineer

51:10

them and figure out what was going on

51:12

and laid the foundation for the space race

51:14

that would come afterwards. The space race being

51:16

starting with the launch of the Soviet satellite

51:19

Sputnik in 1957, which was

51:21

then followed by Yuri Gagarin, the first man

51:23

into space, also the Soviets. First

51:26

woman in space also. That's

51:28

right for all women kind. Just

51:30

like there's a really funny space

51:32

race meme if I can find it.

51:35

Yeah, I found it here. First artificial

51:37

satellites Sputnik 1 Soviet Union. First animal

51:39

in space, Lita, Soviet Union. First photographs

51:41

of the far side of the moon,

51:44

Luna 3 Soviet Union. First person in

51:46

space, Yuri Gagarin, Soviet Union. First woman

51:48

in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Soviet Union. First

51:51

spacewalk, Alexei Leonov, Soviet Union. First

51:53

spacecraft landing on the moon, Luna 9 Soviet

51:56

Union. First person on the moon, Neil

51:58

Armstrong America. landing on

52:00

other planet, Venus, Venera 7, Soviet

52:02

Union, first space station, Salyut 1,

52:04

Soviet Union, first space spacecraft landing

52:06

on Mars, Mars 3, Soviet Union,

52:09

winner of the space race, America.

52:11

We put a man on the

52:14

moon, baby. What did

52:16

Canada do? What did Canada do, Tristan?

52:18

Nothing. Oh, wow. You sat by and

52:20

you watched. There's literally a children's museum

52:22

in London that I take my son

52:24

to every so often that has the

52:26

entire section where we get way too

52:28

involved in our space contributions because we

52:30

made the Canada arm that is like a

52:33

robotic arm that is attached to the space

52:35

shuttle and there's one attached to the ISS

52:37

and we are so ridiculously proud of it

52:39

that it's on our money. Wow. Wow. And

52:41

also the next space launch, the one that's

52:43

going to the moon, has a Canadian on

52:45

its crew and Canadians are losing their shit

52:47

over the fact there's going to be a

52:50

Canadian on the moon. So there's got to

52:52

be a Canadian on the moon. Yeah. The

52:54

first person to say, hey, hey, do

52:56

you think, and I'm sorry if this

52:58

is reductive, do you think that

53:00

the reason Canadians are losing their

53:02

mind about the first Canadian on

53:05

the moon is because we're itching

53:07

to find out what poutine tastes

53:09

like with moon cheese? Oh,

53:12

good take. That's a better answer than the

53:14

fact that Canada is kind of a, what

53:16

we like to call a middle power, but

53:19

it's basically a kind

53:21

of not important lap dog of the US.

53:23

And so whatever little contributions we can actually

53:25

make to that are of some value to

53:27

the world, we will latch on to

53:30

because we need this. Okay. Canadian patriotism has

53:32

so few things to hang on to that

53:34

things like the Canada arm is all we

53:36

have and like half of comedians, but that's

53:38

a different thing. You've got at least one

53:40

Avril Lavigne. Yeah. So the thing is that

53:43

the space, the race has revolutionized

53:45

defense, commerce, even now tourism a

53:47

little bit. So like now rockets

53:49

are highly sophisticated. They can carry

53:51

people and payloads into space. We're

53:54

now looking into even reusable rockets

53:56

when Elon doesn't blow them up

53:58

and space exploration. has become a

54:00

lot more sustainable and cost effective, hopefully

54:03

to a day where we'll have a

54:05

whole new space age. But I think

54:07

that if we're going to, because I

54:09

want to get into the very complex

54:11

person behind rocketry who connects the

54:13

Nazi V2 program and the Apollo program, but

54:15

I think that we are running a little

54:17

over time. So part two, we haven't done

54:20

a part two in a while. We're going

54:22

to have to do a part two, but

54:24

part two seems to be, if this

54:26

was about the rockets themselves, we

54:28

need to learn about the man

54:31

behind the rocket. Yes. Is

54:34

that fair to say? So next week

54:36

for you in like five minutes for

54:38

us as we continue recording, we will

54:40

talk about Wernher von Braun, Wernher von

54:42

Braun. And that will

54:45

be our connection to For All

54:47

Mankind, I imagine. We're back full

54:49

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55:14

where else can people find you on the

55:16

internet? What do you do? You were mentioning

55:18

a video that you've got coming up. Yeah.

55:21

I have a YouTube channel called

55:23

Step Back where I talk about

55:25

basically why understanding the past is

55:27

important for getting things as they

55:29

are like the world today. If

55:31

you're listening to this and the

55:33

day it came out, my latest

55:35

video is an investigation into how

55:38

under the guise of showing

55:40

support for the people being

55:42

brutalized and horribly repressed in

55:44

Palestine. Neo-Nazis have been using

55:47

this horrifying humanitarian crisis to

55:49

advance anti-Semitic conspiracies and stuff

55:51

like that. And I kind

55:53

of talk about media savviness

55:55

and all that kind of

55:57

stuff. Yeah. Scott.

56:00

If you wanted to talk about how, if

56:02

I wanted to learn about how she helped

56:04

broke the fourth wall before Deadpool, where would

56:06

I... Ooh! Pipe, pipe, conic misconceptions, pipe, pipe,

56:08

nerd sync. Where would I go? Uh,

56:10

you call them pipes? That's interesting. Where

56:13

would I go for that? Yeah, you

56:15

can, that's my YouTube channel, Nerd Sync,

56:17

N-E-R-D-S-Y-N-C, also on Nebula, if you're a

56:20

Nebula subscriber over there. I make videos

56:22

about comics and superheroes in cartoons. I

56:25

have been teasing forever that I'm making a

56:27

video about the weird world of cookbooks. I'm

56:29

putting that one on pause just because it's taking me

56:31

so long and I've switched gears

56:33

right now to talk about the

56:35

Harlem Globetrotters. What's up with the

56:38

Harlem Globetrotters? Why are they in

56:40

Scooby-Doo so much and other Hanna-Barbera

56:42

cartoons? Futurama. Why are they in

56:44

Futurama? I will maybe briefly touch

56:47

on Futurama, but specifically Scooby-Doo. Why

56:49

are... What was up with the

56:51

Harlem Globetrotters? It's fascinating! It's also

56:53

why I mentioned earlier that I've

56:55

been learning a lot about popes

56:58

recently because there are two honorary

57:00

globe members, or Globetrotter members who

57:02

are popes. But that's my YouTube

57:04

channel. And like I said, I'm on

57:06

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57:53

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57:56

von Braun. But until then, my name

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is Scott Nice 1. Artisan

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Johnson and the truth

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is out there. Five,

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four, three, two, one

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play it right here on the Outrage Rocket

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Countdown five or get your voice. Was

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that were directed by Chris Nolan Spear.