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I don't know why I did a bit.

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I don't know why I did it with

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my voice. Q and A. You should

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get you should get a audio

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thing of you going. And then

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you can set up. And then

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you can set up multiple times.

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And then I'll just record. Yeah,

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I'll just do it. That'll be

1:30

fun. Q and A. Questions.

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We're gonna ace in Q. This is

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The next one's going to be, well there

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called the the the elation at the end

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of the show like once the play is

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over where everyone is happy and that's usually

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when they go get shitfaced yeah and it's

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our after party exactly so we're gonna do

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name is Scott. I don't even know

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what any of these questions are

3:00

yet. I'm excited to dive into

3:02

it. My name is Tristan and today

3:05

I put out a tweet about two hours

3:07

ago being like, hey, we're going to do

3:09

a podcast. Does anyone want to

3:11

ask us some questions? And about

3:13

30 people replied in like the

3:15

two hours we got there, which

3:17

is like this tweet. to see doing numbers

3:20

up to like 50 likes already like

3:22

I don't know pretty good for our

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little our little social media channel over

3:26

here especially after we like abandon them

3:28

for like now like four months this

3:30

point in history peek behind the curtain

3:32

we are recording this before we have

3:34

aired any episodes of this season that

3:36

you have just listened to. And we have

3:39

not posted for about four or five months.

3:41

We've not posted a new episode in that

3:43

long. So the fact that people are still

3:45

engaging with us. We also didn't tell anybody.

3:47

Yes. And we forgot to tell anybody that

3:50

we were taking a break. So people just

3:52

thought we were gone. We got a lot of

3:54

emails from people saying like, you didn't even

3:56

say goodbye. And it's like, no, we weren't,

3:58

we're not saying goodbye. We were taking a

4:01

break, we just forgot to tell

4:03

people. Anyway, let's answer some

4:05

questions. Yeah, so okay, I'm gonna

4:08

go through this and put some

4:10

names out. So the first question

4:12

I've got here though, what topic

4:15

that you researched for the

4:17

podcast so far has been

4:19

the most interesting, like where

4:21

the research has been things

4:23

you would have cheerfully done

4:26

in another context? Oh. That's

4:28

a good question. Well, you're the

4:30

one who does most of the research.

4:32

So I can really only answer, I

4:34

feel like I can only answer based

4:36

off of the episodes that I've done

4:39

for research. Because I don't

4:41

know. You can reframe it and

4:43

be like, what is like a

4:45

episode that like interested you so

4:47

much that like, it like peaked

4:49

new curiosities that like, well, what's

4:51

the, so the, so the, so

4:53

the, You know, Tristan and I

4:55

both have YouTube channels as well

4:57

outside of this podcast. And when

4:59

we were first starting to launch

5:01

this show, we did do a

5:04

crossover episode about the eternals, Marvel's

5:06

eternals, and how they were inspired

5:08

by Ancient Aliens and so there

5:10

was a lot of stuff that

5:12

we have researched that you have

5:14

researched for this podcast that I

5:16

have retroactively like turned into research

5:18

for my own videos and I

5:20

think the one that sort of

5:22

inspired or the one that steaks out

5:25

to me is probably the brama

5:27

weapons like ancient nuclear weapons I

5:29

talk weirdly about anytime you and

5:31

I make a video together we mention

5:34

nuclear weapons in some capacity

5:36

and it's That is very

5:38

interesting. Yeah. What about you? The

5:40

first video we did together was

5:42

about Superman and nuclear

5:45

weapons. Well, one, I did,

5:47

before we started this podcast, I

5:49

did not realize just how metal

5:51

Hinduism was. Yes. Like, I did not

5:54

know about that kind of stuff. And

5:56

I'm like, so that's been pretty

5:58

cool. What's one that like... I was

6:00

like trying to think of one

6:02

that like I didn't already kind

6:04

of know the cool thing in

6:06

the in the process of selecting

6:09

it for the podcast. Some because

6:11

like the first one that comes

6:13

to mind is that is Gramcock.

6:15

Gramcock turned like like when ancient

6:17

Apocalypse came out and approximately the

6:20

entire internet told me to cover

6:22

it. I watched it and like.

6:24

I feel like that was one

6:26

of the first times where I

6:28

was like I didn't realize how

6:30

shallow the answers actually were. Yes.

6:33

And I realize that Grimcock was

6:35

just like saying shit that he

6:37

thought up when he was like

6:39

really high. Yeah, the bio episodes

6:41

that we've done are typically my

6:43

favorites just because they sort of,

6:46

I like any episodes that really

6:48

tell a... coherent story all the

6:50

way through and I like learning

6:52

about, I mean that's sort of

6:54

what I like doing on my

6:56

own like YouTube channel is like

6:59

looking into the history of different

7:01

figures or different stories and things

7:03

like that. I like that history

7:05

that's a little bit more coherent

7:07

than than some other claims that

7:09

we have to debunk where it's

7:12

just like this is a person

7:14

and this is their biography. On

7:16

that end I really enjoyed doing

7:18

the research for the David Children's

7:20

episode and sort of surprising you

7:22

with that one. I thought that

7:25

was very fun and left me

7:27

with a lot of questions about,

7:29

I think that we have addressed

7:31

as well about like the, his

7:33

relationship with like, I'll say this,

7:36

I'll say this in the most

7:38

incriminating way. You know, David Children's

7:40

history with the JFK assassination, you

7:42

know, that was very fun. Man

7:44

you love hating David's children. I

7:46

do. I can tell I can

7:49

feel the joy you get. I

7:51

do. What a goover. Yeah, it's

7:53

self-described described by other people as

7:55

a modern day. Mm-hmm. I think

7:57

that the coolest thing that I

7:59

definitely like, it's hard

8:01

to say because the podcast kind of steered

8:03

me in the direction, but definitely would

8:05

have been something that if I didn't

8:08

have to do it for content, I probably would have

8:10

done it anyway. And that

8:12

the answers that I got were

8:14

like really surprising and interesting was

8:16

sort of this period about maybe

8:18

like a year and change

8:20

ago when like

8:23

everyone was really getting into

8:25

UFOs. Like when there

8:27

was like the congressional hearing

8:29

and then there was that

8:31

little like the alien mummy

8:33

that was in Mexico. Is

8:36

it cake? Yeah,

8:38

and the other one was the like

8:41

when the unidentified flying objects kept showing

8:43

up over the United States and they

8:45

kept shooting them down for a period

8:48

because and like finding the real

8:50

stories behind that was really interesting. And

8:52

like I learned a lot about

8:54

how air defo about how politicians

8:56

are like really easy to trick and

8:58

like other things like that. And

9:00

I mean, I was

9:02

really captivated by the period

9:04

where like people started taking

9:06

UFOs really seriously for a

9:09

while. And I was I thought that

9:11

was a really I thought that like, it's like

9:13

the kind of thing that I would

9:15

have like obsessively researched and then done nothing with

9:17

if I didn't have a podcast for it.

9:19

And then the research I got to do let

9:21

me learn a lot about how

9:23

things are going.

9:25

And absolutely. So that

9:27

was probably my big one. very fun. I

9:30

like it. Well, cool question answered,

9:32

I think. Thank you, small seal 17

9:34

for that one, whose name

9:36

is history's handsomest monster. I

9:39

concur. I agree. All right,

9:41

Zach or hard grieve Zach. Mm

9:44

hmm. Asks, what

9:46

do you think of the theory that

9:48

aliens caused life on earth to start?

9:50

It's interesting possibility or could it be

9:52

forgotten much like Prometheus? We've

9:54

talked about this before, right? Like a

9:56

pan spermia. Yeah, I'm sure it's come

9:58

up in multiple times. So it's

10:00

one of those things that the

10:02

origin of the pants permeate theory

10:04

is that we have some genuine

10:07

question marks in the answer to

10:09

what's called a biogenesis, which is

10:11

we don't really know how we

10:13

got from not life to life.

10:15

It happened so long ago, there's

10:17

not really much fossil evidence from

10:19

that period, because bacteria don't leave

10:22

great fossils. Right. It would have

10:24

started, life starts small. Yeah. It

10:26

makes it tricky. And also, like,

10:28

what it starts as is, like,

10:30

we don't really have a good,

10:32

we don't have other planets that

10:34

are early enough in their development

10:36

for us to, like, go look

10:39

at, like, what, like, Proto life

10:41

looks like. The closest things we

10:43

can think of, this is why

10:45

we're so obsessed with them, are

10:47

what are called archaic, which are

10:49

sort of like bacteria that are

10:51

like as close to like what

10:54

really early life might have looked

10:56

like, because they like, and they

10:58

like live in things like volcano,

11:00

like they live in like hot

11:02

springs and like random like deep

11:04

underground and stuff, and they kind

11:06

of challenge our, or like, like,

11:08

Viruses are kind of interesting because

11:11

like they have R&A. They're so

11:13

small. Yeah, they have R&A, but

11:15

like they can't reproduce on their

11:17

own. They don't metabolize. So like

11:19

they're, they lack several key definitions

11:21

of life, but they're made of

11:23

the same things that life is

11:25

made out of. They look funky.

11:28

Yeah. I think there was a

11:30

Jimmy Neutron episode where they fought

11:32

viruses and viruses look like little

11:34

robots. They're so interesting. At least

11:36

some of them do. They do

11:38

like like the geometric shapes and

11:40

all sorts of weird things. Yeah.

11:43

It's so weird. The other thing

11:45

is that I recently, over the

11:47

last few months, read a book

11:49

called Aurora by Kim Stanley Robinson.

11:51

And in that book... not

11:53

to give too

11:55

many spoilers in

11:57

that book, they

12:00

discover a new

12:02

form of life.

12:04

And they they

12:06

struggle even until the end of the book to be

12:08

like, what is like, is this

12:10

life? We don't know. Is it

12:12

or is it just like a protein?

12:14

Like what? Like. And so like to

12:17

put all together is just that like,

12:19

we don't really have a really good

12:21

idea of what like that really, really early

12:23

life is like. Remember, we

12:25

had an astrobiologist on the on the show

12:28

a while back and she kind of explained

12:30

how it's like, like she is she's actively

12:32

doing science to try and answer that question.

12:34

Yeah, I think to get to the root

12:36

of this question, though, because I don't think the

12:38

question I don't think Zach here is asking, is

12:41

it true? I think he's more so asking,

12:43

what do you what do you think

12:45

about it? Do you think that it's a

12:47

good that it's even a good question? Because

12:49

he asked, like, is it an interesting possibility

12:51

or should it be forgotten? I don't think

12:54

it should be forgotten, right? I think it's

12:56

an interesting, you know, like you said, there's

12:58

people actively doing research about it right now.

13:00

I think it's it absolutely

13:02

could be could be possible. Yeah,

13:04

we just don't know. We just don't

13:06

know it's possible and also not necessary,

13:08

because as far as I can tell

13:10

from the people who work in like

13:12

astrobiology and stuff like that, that Earth

13:14

very much had the chemicals

13:17

that you needed to make life happen

13:19

at the early stages when we

13:22

think life happened. Now, if

13:25

we do find out that

13:27

panspermia does happen, that'll

13:29

be really interesting because

13:31

it shows that

13:33

like one planet doesn't necessarily

13:35

can like life isn't necessarily contained.

13:38

Ecosystems are contained to one

13:40

planet because like if like,

13:42

and this is another thing

13:44

that I don't like don't at me because I

13:46

haven't done the research on these, but I feel like

13:48

I want to do episodes like a Gazette or something

13:51

on these two. But like in the

13:53

last few months, we've had two

13:55

really interesting kind of things. One

13:58

was that. are

14:00

over found some rocks that have

14:02

signs on them like like sort

14:04

of like things on them that

14:06

we are the movie signs. Well

14:08

they have like they have what

14:10

are called leopard spots and these

14:12

leopard spots. There are leopards on

14:14

Mars. There are leopards on Mars.

14:16

What these leopard spots mean like

14:18

when we see these on Earth

14:20

they are sort of like the

14:22

fossilized remains of very early like

14:24

bacteria. It's sort of like what

14:26

like it's like what bacterial mats

14:28

look like when they fossilize. And

14:30

we don't know until like sometime

14:32

in like a decade or two

14:34

when they send this sample back

14:36

to Earth somehow that I don't

14:38

really know how that works. But

14:40

there's like a lot of things

14:42

where like this is like a

14:44

place where life had a really

14:46

good chance to show up. Like

14:48

it's like it's supposed to be

14:50

like an ancient lakebed potentially. And

14:52

it has like a lot of

14:54

other things that like... like chemistry

14:56

wise and physically wise like that

14:58

that life could be on and

15:00

so if that comes back that

15:02

could be very interesting. I mean

15:05

it'll also be terrifying because the

15:07

Fermi paradox gets more scary if

15:09

we find more life in our

15:11

solar system but if it came

15:13

from Earth like a long-ass time

15:15

ago or if what came to

15:17

Earth came from Mars a long-ass

15:19

time ago then we could kind

15:21

of see the solar system as

15:23

an ecosystem or it's gonna be

15:25

that the other one the other

15:27

story is that a few years

15:29

ago Phosphine gas was found in

15:31

the was like observed in the

15:33

atmosphere of Venus. Okay. So so

15:35

so here so let me so

15:37

Venus is the closest thing to

15:39

actual hell that exists, right? Cool.

15:41

Yeah, its atmosphere is a thick

15:43

is is made up literally of

15:45

thick clouds of sulfuric acid. Gotcha.

15:47

The Soviets landed a probe on

15:49

the surface of Venus and the

15:51

surface was hot enough to melt

15:53

lead and also that probe. The

15:55

probe lasted only a few minutes

15:57

before it melted basically. Sorry probe.

15:59

But... The thing about it is

16:01

that phosphine gas on earth, the

16:03

only thing that we know that

16:06

makes phosphine gas on earth is

16:08

life, is bacteria metabolism. Makes it.

16:10

But then it got quickly shut

16:12

down because other people did observations

16:14

and they couldn't find this phosphine.

16:16

Then the people who found the

16:19

phosphine published another paper showing several

16:21

other observations that also showed it

16:24

happening, showing that the people who

16:26

looked at it. We're not like looking at

16:28

it at the right time of day and

16:30

all that kind of stuff. And they

16:32

were able to repeat the response. Now,

16:34

they could also just be like still

16:37

kind of pea hacking or doing something

16:39

to make the numbers look better than

16:41

they are. But the other thing

16:43

that was found in there is

16:45

ammonia. And ammonia is a very

16:48

interesting chemical because it's basic. Well,

16:50

you don't have to

16:52

insult its fashions. They

16:54

found that little pumpkin

16:56

spice latets flying in

16:58

the... But the main thing is

17:00

that, like, ammonia, there are a

17:02

lot of things on earth that

17:04

metabolize, that, like, excrete

17:07

ammonia. Sure. And so, and

17:09

the thing is that if

17:11

there was, like, in the

17:13

upper atmosphere of Venus, like,

17:16

bacteria that isn't that

17:18

hot. and their atmosphere is thicker so

17:20

like they have more things to work

17:22

with. But if they're secreting ammonia

17:24

as a way to like kind

17:26

of deal with the very acidic

17:28

environment on Venus, like there's two answers,

17:31

both of them are interesting. One,

17:33

that there's some kind of chemistry

17:35

happening on Venus that we don't

17:37

understand that is making chemicals that

17:39

on Earth we only ever see

17:41

in biological processes. Okay.

17:44

Or two, there's something alive on

17:46

Venus. There's something on Venus. And the

17:48

thing is that if that also ends

17:50

up being true, then the furry paradox

17:52

gets even more scary because if

17:55

life has independently evolved on

17:57

three separate planets in our

17:59

solar system, alone? Where the fuck

18:01

is everybody? Where is every, they're

18:03

all here. They're all here. Do

18:05

you, I'm, I'm back on Mars

18:07

and I'm wondering now in hindsight

18:09

if I should feel bad for

18:12

rooting for, uh, Matt Damon's character

18:14

in the Martian, because now with

18:16

this revelation. That there are leopards

18:18

on Mars. Do you think he

18:20

was just there to go big

18:22

game hunting? Um, that doesn't feel

18:24

right to me. Given the size,

18:26

it's extremely small game hunting. These

18:29

would be the world's smallest leopards.

18:31

Small leopards. Which is basically a

18:33

description of the cat. If you

18:35

think about it. I can make

18:37

an exception. Okay. Yeah, so that's

18:39

that's the best part that I

18:41

can think of and that's so

18:43

like the thing is like so

18:46

and spermia might explain Might make

18:48

that more explainable where like life

18:50

started on Earth or Mars or

18:52

Venus or something and like asteroid

18:54

impacts blue like bacterial spores into

18:56

space that then landed and grew

18:58

on this planets Everything's colliding that

19:00

might that might be like if

19:03

we find that like life did

19:05

exist on these planets that might

19:07

be like life did exist on

19:09

these planets that might be like

19:11

a way to explain those things

19:13

but because that seems to me

19:15

a little bit more likely than

19:18

like life evolved. Because either it

19:20

means that that means that that

19:22

happens that life basically evolves pretty

19:24

much everywhere where the conditions for

19:26

it arises. Because if it's like,

19:28

if we're like batting three for

19:30

three in the, in Saul's habitable

19:32

zone. In this place. Yeah, then

19:35

that means that basically every planet

19:37

with liquid water is probably going

19:39

to have some form of life

19:41

on it. In which case the

19:43

Fermi paradox gets a lot more

19:45

scary. And that just, and also

19:47

just like. Because the furry paradox

19:49

I'm like more dubious of that

19:52

Because that basically makes the Drake

19:54

equation result in like there being

19:56

a lot more life in the

19:58

universe than we think there than

20:00

we think right now. But

20:02

pan-spermia, like the sort

20:05

of spreading of spores

20:07

through that might be

20:09

a better explanation. And that

20:11

just, you know... Sure. But

20:13

I mean, that's for decades

20:16

in the future, to even

20:18

have clues as well. So

20:20

to answer Zach's question, what

20:22

do we think about aliens

20:24

caused life to start on

20:27

Earth? I think that I... Intelligent

20:29

aliens coming down to start life on

20:32

earth, I think is very... No. There's

20:34

no sign. Not. I don't think there's

20:36

any evidence of that. If so, they

20:39

are the worst. They're the general. Their

20:41

code, their code etiquette is awful. Because

20:43

our DNA looks like a terrible.

20:45

All DNA shows plenty of signs

20:47

that there is no designer at

20:49

all, because it's a mess. It's a

20:52

mess. As far as we know, who

20:54

knows. Who knows? But anyway, thanks to

20:56

the questions. Okay, so the next

20:58

question is, this is a meme

21:00

question, but I'll take it because

21:03

Maxwell Edison is a pretty regular

21:05

person in my replies. Have you ever

21:07

had a dream that you would, that

21:09

you would, that you would, that you

21:11

would, that you would, you wants to,

21:13

you could do, you could do so,

21:15

you could do so, you could do

21:17

anything? All the time, every day, every

21:20

night. I have that dream. That's a

21:22

meme, right. That's like a meme, right.

21:24

That's like a kid, like a kid.

21:26

Yeah, yeah, it's very cute. Oh

21:29

goodness. Excellent. That's like,

21:31

yeah, that's, I like turtles is

21:33

my answer to that question. I

21:36

like turtles. The next question

21:38

we got here is from

21:40

Keter Raven, or casual sarcasm

21:43

98. I don't know how to

21:45

do the sort of Norwegian O

21:47

over the A thing, but uh... Oh,

21:49

sure. Asked if we have, if

21:51

we're gonna cover the

21:53

Travis Walton incident. Which is

21:56

the first I've heard about this. Yeah,

21:58

this is something new, but uh... I will,

22:00

I mean, I keep tabs of

22:02

these kinds of things, so I'll

22:05

take a look. Good old

22:07

T-W-I, Travis Walton incident. I'll

22:09

take a look, yeah, like, but

22:11

I haven't heard of it

22:13

right now. No, this is the

22:16

first time hearing of it.

22:18

Let me, let me do a

22:20

quick thing to make sure

22:22

it's not problematic. It just looks

22:24

like a high-profile alien abduction

22:26

case, so. Oh, okay. Some guy

22:29

in Phoenix, Arizona. Well, it's

22:31

abducted by aliens in 2019.

22:33

Apparently he got a, this is

22:35

the closest thing I can

22:37

find, but I think the Wikipedia

22:40

article is very funny because

22:42

in the paragraph before his claiming

22:44

of being abducted is that

22:46

he said he watched a movie

22:49

about the abduction of Betty

22:51

and Barney Hill. Oh, red flag,

22:53

right there. That's the first one

22:55

that comes up. But yeah, oh

22:58

yeah, on the Wikipedia. Yeah, it's

23:00

like, so NBC aired the UFO

23:03

incident and then, and then pretty

23:05

much immediately afterwards. Yeah, yeah. So

23:07

that's, that's, that's funny. Uh,

23:09

oh, and this is another,

23:11

okay, this another one that I

23:14

think would be really cool.

23:16

What are your opinions on mothman?

23:18

He's just a little guy.

23:20

I've recommended this podcast before on

23:23

our podcast, but Emily has

23:25

friends and they're very nice friends.

23:27

I've just met, I've met

23:29

one of them before, but I've

23:31

met both of them now recently,

23:34

who have a podcast called My

23:36

Cryptids Keepers. So if you're into

23:39

Cryptids, highly recommend that podcast. Similar

23:41

vibe to me and Tristan, but

23:43

I believe they're both sisters. and

23:46

are just, it's more of

23:48

a vibe, it's more of

23:50

a vibe hang out, talking about

23:52

cryptids than it is about

23:54

us debunking aliens, you know what

23:57

I mean? But go check

23:59

it out. Very good stuff. And

24:01

Mothman. So I know that Mothman is a bit

24:03

of a meme. Mothman's a bit of

24:05

a meme. So I mean like, I believe like, I

24:08

haven't, like Mothman's never catuated

24:10

to me like a lot of other cryptids

24:12

have because for our call, it's like,

24:14

it's, there's not really a very compelling

24:17

case for it. Like it's almost,

24:19

it's closer to a ghost story

24:21

than an actual cryptid. Because it's

24:23

like associated with like one bridge or

24:26

something like one bridge or something

24:28

like that. Yeah, but so my my main

24:30

thing is that like I mean, I think

24:32

that cryptids are interesting

24:35

in the sense of like what

24:37

they like what they represent in

24:39

like a sort of socio

24:41

cultural phenomenon like like they're

24:44

like interesting ghost stories or

24:46

like legends and things like

24:48

that. Obviously I don't

24:51

believe in the mothman, but that

24:53

feels like redundant to say on

24:55

this show, but But I don't,

24:57

I haven't, like, I haven't, I

24:59

haven't been bitten by like the

25:01

Mothman meme bug like a lot

25:03

of people have. Yeah, it doesn't

25:06

really come up in my circles too

25:08

too much. I think Mothman looks

25:10

cool and if Mothman were a

25:12

cool little creature in like a

25:14

movie or show. Does Donnie Darko have

25:17

something to do with the Mothman? I

25:19

don't know. Don't ask me ask

25:21

me questions about movies, Tristan. We

25:23

get in so much trouble for

25:25

that on this podcast. I feel

25:28

like it's kind of a hard

25:30

question to answer what Donnie

25:32

Darko is about anyway. So that's

25:34

fair. Hey, I'd like to

25:36

address two questions because they're

25:39

somewhat similar. Sure. So 510

25:41

Brother Panda asks, with Alien

25:43

Romulus out now, is anyone

25:45

going to cover the rabbit

25:47

hole that is the parallels

25:49

between Alien and Metro franchise?

25:52

And then Rocket City QC

25:54

asks thoughts about the xenomorphs

25:56

and the aliens, parentheses versus

25:59

predator. franchise as a whole. Do

26:01

you like the alien movies? Oh, yeah, yeah.

26:03

I mean, there's a lot of,

26:05

unfortunately, there's a lot of bad

26:08

ones now, but like, alien and

26:10

alien? Sure. Those two are one,

26:12

two punch of fucking amazing movies.

26:14

Even alien three has its moments.

26:17

But then the Joss Wheaton alien

26:19

movie happened, and I think it

26:21

was pretty much done from that

26:24

point. The only xenomorph movies

26:26

I've seen are alien. And

26:28

then the very first. alien

26:31

versus predator movie, which I

26:33

watched so many times because

26:36

it wasn't scary. It

26:38

was just like campy

26:41

blockbuster action movie if memory,

26:43

memory serves when I watched

26:45

it as a kid. So

26:48

yeah, I think the xenomorph

26:50

design is very cool. Yeah,

26:52

I mean, I fucking love

26:55

HR Geiger and I think people

26:57

I mentioned on here before that

26:59

I'm like a really big fan

27:01

of dark surrealist art like that's

27:03

like my favorite kind of like

27:05

art genre and H.R. Geiger and

27:08

like Stanislav Bexinsky are like two

27:10

of my like favorite artists and

27:12

like now that I have a little

27:14

bit of like spending money I'm like

27:17

seriously considering getting some prints

27:19

by them so yeah and then to sort

27:22

of follow up on that about the talking

27:24

about aliens and metroid. The

27:26

only metroid game I've ever played

27:28

is the metroid dread, which is

27:30

excellent, but I have myself, I

27:32

found myself slipping into a fun

27:35

little hobby of retro handheld. So

27:37

I got myself a retro handheld

27:39

and I've been playing some old

27:41

games that I have not played

27:44

because they were either before my

27:46

time or I just didn't have

27:48

the system. to play them on.

27:50

My family didn't have a lot

27:52

of like video game consoles

27:55

growing up. So I

27:57

played a like a

27:59

decent chunk of Super

28:01

Metroid which is all

28:03

very fun I love a

28:05

metroidvania Yes, please. Have you employed

28:07

a metroid game? I have played

28:09

one metroid game in my life,

28:11

and it's a good one, and

28:14

it's one of my favorite games.

28:16

And it is the Nintendo 64

28:18

game Super Smash Brothers. Nice that

28:20

is for until I played metroid

28:23

dread like two years ago. That

28:25

is the only time I've ever

28:27

that's the only thing I knew

28:30

Sam is from for most of

28:32

my life. Yeah was oh yeah

28:34

the character from Super Smash Brothers

28:36

and I've only ever played Super

28:39

Smash Brothers like the the N64

28:41

one yeah and I was almost

28:43

exclusively a Kirby players. So I

28:45

have occasionally eaten Samis and had

28:48

her little ball ability, but that's

28:50

about it. I don't play Super

28:52

Smash Brothers because I'm not very

28:54

good at it, but I did

28:57

play Nintendo 64, the original one,

28:59

and I was Captain Falcon Maine.

29:01

So I just liked character and

29:03

nowadays when I played the new

29:06

Super Smash Brothers, I just go

29:08

to Gannon. or whoever it like

29:10

the I always get confused between

29:12

getting and getting into because I'm

29:15

not a real gamer but you

29:17

know I like the characters that

29:19

are slow and punch hard so

29:21

I don't have to think I

29:24

just like I just sit in

29:26

one spot and load up a

29:28

punch and then wait for someone

29:30

to walk into my field of

29:33

view and that's what I do

29:35

that's how I play video games

29:37

I like I'm like I'm always

29:39

looking for like the night piece

29:42

of the game like something that

29:44

moves in a weird way that

29:46

I can like get used to

29:49

and like We get really into

29:51

nests. Yeah, that's why. Like I

29:53

like, I like, I like, I

29:55

like, I like Kirby because, like,

29:58

when you were playing Super Smash

30:00

Brothers, you could like my brother,

30:02

my brother would play these characters

30:04

when we played against each other.

30:07

I would be Don Quixong or

30:09

Captain Falcon and just load up

30:11

a punch ready, and he would

30:13

be zigging and zagging all over

30:16

the place, and it was a

30:18

nightmare. Like, I like, I like

30:20

Kirby because, like, like, when you were

30:22

playing Super Smash Brothers, you could

30:24

like. Like he had a lot of abilities that were like

30:27

dropping like a rock out of the sky or like

30:29

his like sword ability where he like flips up and

30:31

he comes down really fast and like I like and

30:33

he flies and so I like like that his like

30:35

movement is so different from the other characters and that

30:37

you can use that to like you know like because

30:39

they're so used to playing against other types of

30:41

characters that you can like use that to kind

30:43

of throw them up balance because you can be like

30:45

that's true you can fall off the edge and then float

30:47

up and come up and come up behind them behind them

30:49

or like behind them or like you know like you know

30:51

or like you know or like you know or like you know or like

30:53

you know. blow them up in the air and then

30:56

slam them down and go up a level or

30:58

something like I like anybody who knows I know

31:00

that Super Smackler has like an

31:02

e-sports scene and like competitive yeah and

31:04

so like everyone is like this is

31:06

you're saying the dumbest possible things right

31:08

now and I know that Kirby's like not exactly

31:11

a meta character so my my friend

31:13

our mutual friend Phil Toulock who's hosted

31:15

DM who's DM stuff on this pie

31:17

guess before forest Once asked me when

31:19

we were just hanging out together, he

31:21

was like, we're gonna play Super Smash

31:23

Brothers. So like, what kind of Smash

31:25

Player are you? Are you like, he

31:27

said a bunch of terminology of stuff

31:29

that I've never heard of. He was

31:31

like, do you like characters that are

31:33

good, like edge defenders and like things

31:35

like that? And I'm like, Phil, I

31:37

don't know what you're talking. I literally...

31:39

just downloaded this game right now to

31:41

play with you. I don't know what

31:43

this game, I haven't played since N64,

31:46

because I haven't, my family never had

31:48

video game consoles passed like the Nintendo

31:50

64. I didn't, I don't know what

31:52

to do with video games. Most of

31:54

the Super Smash Brother hours that I

31:56

put in were at sleepovers, so like,

31:58

you know, that's my, that's. my like

32:00

you know background. Okay. Um, so

32:02

that's that's where we go on

32:04

Metro. Uh, somebody. I mean, is

32:06

it too late to send a

32:09

question? Obviously not. Mantichea or Paul.

32:11

Uh, are you still doing episodes? Well,

32:13

you're listening to one right now. So

32:15

yeah. Um, over the course of this

32:18

episode, were there any topics during the

32:20

research process that had you believing

32:22

even if it was only for

32:25

a moment? That's from

32:27

Dog underscore, seat. Yeah,

32:29

backseat dog. That is a

32:31

really good question. And I

32:33

would say that- Really good

32:35

question. The closest that I

32:37

have gotten is that I have,

32:39

and there are still several

32:42

topics where like, I think

32:44

I even say in the episode

32:46

where like, I'm like gonna, you

32:48

know, default to the

32:50

null hypothesis because it's-

32:52

the more likely answer that this is true,

32:54

but it's one of those ones where

32:56

if it turns out to have been

32:58

something, then I would like, I would

33:01

be like not surprised, like the space

33:03

potato. If it turns out, especially with

33:05

this like new stuff coming from Mars,

33:07

like if it turns out that Al

33:10

the space potato actually did contain fossils

33:12

of like extremely small like life that

33:14

we don't really have like much of

33:16

a comprehension of. That like if it

33:19

turns out that that is the case

33:21

in like once we like if like

33:23

you know if it turns out that

33:26

Mars did have biology on it at

33:28

one point and we learn that and

33:30

we learn to understand Martian ecology and

33:32

then we go back to Al and find

33:35

out that I actually was like a fossil

33:37

of one of these things and then I

33:39

would be like that doesn't surprise me because

33:41

like I could see that. And so like

33:43

that would make sense. And things like, like

33:46

I think I even started the episode with

33:48

like saying that I was pretty, I was

33:50

pretty, not very convinced, but I

33:52

was kind of intrigued by Mumua, and the

33:54

sort of claims that it might have been

33:56

a solar sale at a certain point. That

33:59

has been largely. by this point, but

34:01

that's, that one entreat me. And

34:03

again, I'm probably gonna be like,

34:05

you know, eating crow in like a few

34:07

weeks when this episode comes out and

34:09

like the, actually this episode is

34:12

coming out in like December, I think,

34:14

so it's gonna be a few months.

34:16

This episode's taking a while, yeah. But

34:18

we are recording in August. Yes, so

34:20

everybody knows. Yeah. But if it like

34:22

turns out that like all that Venus

34:24

and Mars stuff like or the Venus

34:27

stuff like that stuff seems intriguing to

34:29

me and I like wouldn't be too

34:31

surprised if like we haven't done

34:33

episodes on those topics but if like

34:36

those turned out to be something that would

34:38

be cool or at least that wouldn't

34:40

surprise me but that's me being

34:42

very optimistic. Yeah I think for me

34:45

it's like when we talk about ancient

34:47

Like, inventions and things like

34:49

that. It never crosses my

34:51

mind that an alien got

34:53

involved there. Like, I always

34:55

just chalk that up to,

34:57

like, wow, humans are so

35:00

cool and creative and, you

35:02

know, smart. It's other, it's

35:04

like, it's usually like

35:06

specific accounts, specific stories that

35:09

like to me are like, for

35:11

a fleeting moment, I'm like, wait,

35:13

what? The one that comes to

35:16

my mind is one that I

35:18

did the research for. You weren't

35:20

around Tristad. I think I did

35:23

it for Kevin. I guess a

35:25

couple times. Not the Hollow Earth,

35:27

but the follow-up when I was doing

35:29

Hollow Earth. I was researching the Hollow

35:31

Earth. theory and I was like I

35:33

have this other thing that I discovered

35:35

about this one guy who apparently like

35:37

flew a plane into the middle of

35:39

Earth But I'm gonna have to come

35:41

back to that and then I eventually

35:43

like did an episode about it And

35:45

as I was like researching it I

35:47

was like there's no fucking way. There's no

35:49

way like why if this is like if this

35:52

is real. How come this is the first time

35:54

over here? And then like as soon as you

35:56

like look into like why you know how it

35:58

was debunked you're like oh that makes sense.

36:00

So like there are moments like

36:02

that, like there, it's usually like

36:05

specific events where I'm

36:07

like, or like specific historical

36:10

accounts where I'm like,

36:12

oh I could maybe see that,

36:14

that's interesting. But then once you

36:16

learn like, oh no, this person

36:18

just lied, they just lied. and

36:20

like everyone is misremembering this thing

36:23

okay cool then then it's you

36:25

know it's whatever but like yeah

36:27

there are there are absolutely moments

36:29

on this podcast where I've been like

36:31

on the edge of my seat being like

36:33

that can't be right that can't be

36:36

true but yeah it's usually the very

36:38

specific like personal stories yeah

36:40

all right next one we got

36:42

here is from Travis Bass who's

36:45

who's at is Bass Squatch 56

36:47

That's a pretty good thing. Nice.

36:49

Will there be a Bigfoot in

36:51

UFO? So they'll discuss how they

36:53

distort indigenous myths and cultures. We

36:55

have done it for UFOs. We

36:58

haven't done a Sasquatch episode. I

37:00

haven't, I feel like there's going to

37:02

be like a scripted episode. I feel

37:04

like we've done one about like a

37:06

swath of cryptids in general that

37:09

we've talked like a little bit,

37:11

but we've never done a specific focus

37:13

on on Bigfoot. On Bigfoot, yeah. But

37:15

yeah, a lot of like Bigfoot mythos

37:18

is like kind of bastardized indigenous

37:20

mythology about like the

37:22

from the Pacific Northwest

37:24

and stuff. There's a little bit.

37:27

Yeah. Absolutely. I like this next

37:29

one from Sinta. And I'm just going

37:31

to read it in the tone that it

37:33

was meant to be Scott, what

37:35

is your favorite Scooby-D directed DVD

37:38

movie? Mine is Moon Monster Madness

37:40

and Camp Scare. That is

37:42

a good one. I am...

37:44

biased because of this podcast.

37:47

So I do like the

37:49

mummy one. What was that

37:51

one called? Who's your mummy

37:53

or something like that? Scooby-Doo.

37:56

Mommy. That was a fun

37:58

one and it is... a lot

38:00

about, it does have like a

38:02

character in it who does remind

38:05

me of Dave Childress a little

38:07

bit because he is like a

38:09

modern day Indiana Jones, sort of

38:11

a character who is not as

38:14

cool as people think. Yeah, that

38:16

one is the one that comes

38:18

to my mind. And I think

38:21

I'm just biased because we talk

38:23

about pyramids so much on this

38:25

show. Mine is going to be

38:27

the only one of these that

38:30

I've ever actually seen and I

38:32

watched it on television, which is

38:34

sort of like the Canadian version

38:37

of Cartoon Network. As it was

38:39

being played as a TV movie

38:41

and that was zombie island, but

38:43

that was not direct to DVD.

38:46

That aired on Cartoon Network. But

38:48

I like where your head's at.

38:50

I was trying to go off

38:53

of the actual prompt and not

38:55

cheat and say a masterpiece, Tristan.

38:57

Just so you know, I also

38:59

like zombie islands. I remember being

39:02

mad because I was like, wait

39:04

a minute, it's supernatural, fuck this.

39:06

This undermines everything that Scooby-Doo is

39:09

about, and you're like, and then

39:11

you made a whole thing of

39:13

being like, not really. Yeah, I

39:15

thought that growing up too. I

39:18

didn't like it because of, I

39:20

was like, but they got on

39:22

mask somebody. But now I just

39:24

have an appreciation of the whole

39:27

franchise and it's they're all good

39:29

including including Velma So moving on

39:31

to the next question The movie

39:34

I was thinking of by the

39:36

way was Scooby-Doo in Where's my

39:38

mummy not who's your mommy? Who's

39:40

your mommy is the poor rarity?

39:43

Yeah, who's your who's your mommy

39:45

is what? What are you doing

39:47

step mummy? Who's your mommy is

39:50

what Velma says to Seth Green's

39:52

character in Scooby-Doo, monsters unleashed? Okay.

39:54

Anyway. My Scooby-Doo interaction is really

39:56

limited to the one frame, like

39:59

one drawing per seven frame. rehashed

40:01

poorly edited

40:03

1970s show? Sure. The O.G.

40:05

The O.G. A guy got

40:08

you. Well, the first season

40:10

aired in 69. Okay.

40:13

At least partially. But

40:15

yes, we'll count that

40:18

as seven. One with

40:20

a canned laughter and

40:22

like, yeah. Ha ha

40:24

ha ha. Okay, Resland,

40:27

Gink Go. that you would

40:29

like to be real minus

40:32

the inherent fashion. Yeah, good

40:34

question. I think it would

40:36

be read as hell if Renaissance

40:39

paintings did actually

40:41

depict UFOs and aliens.

40:43

I think that would be

40:45

read as hell, dude. That's

40:48

a pretty good one, yeah. Yeah.

40:50

I mean, I feel like my first

40:52

thought is, and I just can't

40:55

escape it. It's like... Well, if

40:57

we could figure out if the Earth

40:59

actually could provide free energy because it

41:01

shaped like a D20, that feels like

41:03

the one that we should go for.

41:05

Yeah, okay, yeah, for sure, for sure,

41:07

for sure, for sure, for sure, yeah,

41:09

forget what I said. I'm like, oh,

41:11

cool, how aliens existed in the past

41:13

and people painted them and it was

41:15

cool. Tristan's like, yeah, that's nice, Scott,

41:17

but what about like solving the world's

41:19

like climate crisis, like climate crisis by

41:21

just like. making triangular buildings or something,

41:23

then that would be pretty right. Yeah,

41:25

all right, fine. I'll say that one

41:27

as well. Uh, Ethan Manley asked, hey,

41:30

how's it going? Uh, it's pretty

41:32

good, pretty good, late night, almost

41:34

10 p.m. Yeah, as we're recording.

41:36

Justin and I used to record

41:38

in the mornings. Yeah, then I

41:40

got a job 12 hours earlier.

41:42

Now we have to record at night. Ooh.

41:45

Yeah. Today was a particularly long and

41:47

hard day at work because I work,

41:49

I'm a Combs guy and we have a

41:51

newsletter and there's a bunch of stuff

41:53

for the newsletter that can only

41:55

be done the day before it goes

41:57

out and it goes out tomorrow morning.

41:59

So. yesterday or today was me sitting

42:01

at a computer and just doing

42:04

extremely mind-numbing work for like

42:06

a very long period of time because it's

42:08

a lot of just collecting lakes from a

42:10

bunch of places and putting them in a

42:12

big structured list and it's just... And

42:15

now look at you. You're sitting in

42:17

front of a different computer doing... Doing

42:19

fun stuff. Different mind-numbing work. And then

42:21

when this is done, I'll probably go

42:23

and load up... a video game or

42:25

something that will be a different mind-numbing

42:28

thing. Yay! Screams on screens on screens.

42:30

I love it. Can I ask you

42:32

a question? Sure. Since we're on the

42:34

topic. This is a Q&A. It's not

42:37

limited to just the audience. We talked

42:39

about video games a little bit. What

42:41

video games are interesting to you right

42:43

now? What are you playing? That's a

42:45

good question. I'm still. I'm not even

42:48

shitting. I'm still working on my

42:50

first Baldersgate-gate-gate-gade-3 play-3 play-through. Still

42:52

the first character that I

42:54

made on the day that

42:56

I got the game still

42:58

working my way through I haven't beaten

43:00

it either I took a break because

43:02

Emily and I wanted to play a

43:04

co-op campaign together and then we stopped

43:06

doing that and she was like well

43:09

just play the game that you that

43:11

you were playing all by yourself just

43:13

play that save file and then I

43:15

tried and between the last time I

43:17

played and now some update broke my

43:19

save and I don't know how to

43:21

fix it. I will, I don't want

43:23

to do another 200 hours of falters

43:25

gate. Yeah. I had such a good

43:28

game and I will finish it eventually,

43:30

but I haven't played in many

43:32

months because it broke my save.

43:34

I'm working, I'm near the end,

43:36

I'm like, I just finished the,

43:39

I just finished the Shadow

43:41

Heart story. Like I just got, oh

43:43

so good. It was good, it was

43:45

pretty sad, I liked it. It was, you

43:47

know, it's fun is like being at that

43:49

part of the story and then going back

43:51

to the beginning when Emily and I were

43:53

started our co-op campaign. It's just like how

43:55

different Shadow Heart is at the end of

43:57

her story versus when you first meet her.

44:00

It's like she is so

44:02

abrasive when you first meet her. And

44:04

then it's like, no, you're the best person

44:06

ever. I love her so much. Well, I'm

44:08

still playing... I am playing... Who's being domed

44:10

by my Klingon wife. Yeah,

44:12

of course, of course. I

44:14

am playing, as

44:16

I said, I got a retro handheld. I've been

44:18

playing a lot of games that sort of passed

44:20

me by. I've played a lot of this game

44:22

in the past, but I've never beaten it. Still

44:25

haven't beaten it, but I've gotten further than I

44:27

ever have. I'm playing Chrono

44:30

Trigger right now, which is an

44:32

extremely good game. Hey, everyone,

44:34

big review from me. Critically acclaimed

44:36

game Chrono Trigger is very

44:38

good. Yeah, a couple other ones

44:40

that are just sitting like

44:42

one. I play a lot of

44:45

Slay the Spire on my

44:47

phone. I have been for years

44:49

now, though. I play Slay the Spire

44:51

probably at least... I probably do one

44:53

run of Slay the Spire a day,

44:55

and I have been probably since like

44:57

2022. Nice.

44:59

I really, I got Bellattro a few

45:02

months ago, and I enjoy that

45:04

off and on. Yes.

45:06

I would say like, these are like all like

45:08

the most popular games in some ways. Against

45:10

the Storm is a game that I really is

45:12

into, which is like a rogue -like city -building

45:14

game, which sounds like a

45:16

thing that is impossible, but it's

45:18

actually really good. Dyson

45:21

Sphere Program, which is like

45:23

Factorio, but you can make like

45:25

Dyson Spheres and like have like multiple planets

45:28

and stuff like that, which is pretty cool. Cool.

45:30

The one that like probably is

45:32

one that like isn't something that

45:34

everybody knows is that I've been

45:36

getting into competitive Terraforming Mars, which

45:38

is a board game, but has

45:41

like a really popular digital version. And

45:43

I've been really getting into Lone Star,

45:45

which is another new, which is

45:48

like a Chinese made rogue like that

45:50

is really fun. And I'm thinking it's

45:52

going to be a huge game someday,

45:54

but it is, I think it's still an

45:56

early access, but I am really loving

45:58

Lone Star. It's like... Cool. Like

46:00

a spaceship game where you, it's

46:02

hard, it would be too much for

46:04

one answer to a question to explain

46:07

how it's a spaceship game. But it's

46:09

good. It's really good. It's like a,

46:11

it's like a deck builder, but it's

46:13

also not a deck builder and it's

46:16

like. Oh, I love that. Oh. Any, I

46:18

love deck building games in general.

46:20

So if people can recommend them,

46:22

that'd be great. But also don't

46:25

recommend them because I'm trying

46:27

to play old games right now.

46:29

a is Mario land or something

46:31

like that with six golden

46:34

coins just because that is

46:36

a game boy game that

46:38

Emily's dad my wife's dad

46:41

was really into and I

46:43

want something to bond about

46:45

so I'm playing that game

46:48

and it's very good Mario

46:50

games are good I love

46:52

a Mario game yeah I I

46:54

get without the any of

46:56

the nostalgia for Mario Super

46:59

Smash Bros. for the Nintendo 64. I

47:01

know. Same. I mean, I didn't have,

47:03

like I said, like I didn't have

47:06

any Nintendo, the only Nintendo systems we've

47:08

ever had is in Nintendo 64, and

47:10

even then we didn't like have the

47:13

Mario games for them. So the only

47:15

like the first Mario game that I

47:17

like quote unquote beat was Super Mario

47:19

Odyssey, and I've played more Nintendo switch

47:22

Mario games, and I'm just like, man,

47:24

Mario's so fun. He jumps around, and

47:26

it feels good. Oh, I'm playing super

47:28

hot on my Quest 3.

47:30

Nice! I hear that is one

47:32

of the best VR experiences. Yeah,

47:35

Matt, AKA Thoughts Lime was like,

47:37

really, really like, no, you need

47:39

to play super hot VR. And

47:42

I was like, okay. And then

47:44

I was like, holy shit, is

47:46

it fun? Let's see, let's get

47:49

another question going. Uh,

47:51

ooh, okay. This is from Benem

47:53

Davies. Where's the line you won't cross

47:55

in terms of debunking something? Is there anything

47:58

too outlandish or are there conspiracy theories? you

48:00

won't touch because they deal too

48:02

heavily with real-life events slash

48:04

atrocities even for Tristan. That's

48:06

a big question for you.

48:08

I feel like we've dipped

48:11

into a lot of very

48:13

heavy sensitive topics. Yeah, I

48:15

think that there are some

48:17

topics that I... So there's

48:19

sometimes where, like, this is probably

48:21

not what you're going for,

48:24

but there are some episodes

48:26

that didn't happen because there

48:28

wasn't enough. Like where I went to

48:30

go and like like look into a claim to

48:32

find out that it was just like like like

48:34

it's really like just one guy who very

48:36

obviously made it up right the argument

48:39

is like literally non-existent so like the

48:41

episode would have no like usually

48:43

like sometimes we've done episodes with that

48:46

but then I have like a larger

48:48

contextual thing to talk about and sometimes

48:50

that just doesn't go into that. The

48:52

only other thing I can think of that like

48:54

like dealing with too heavy so there is like

48:56

one thing and this is like a thing that.

48:59

when you're dealing with conspiracy theories

49:01

you kind of have to

49:03

acknowledge and play through and realize

49:05

that like context is difficult is

49:07

that some conspiracy like conspiracy

49:10

theories come from living in

49:12

low trust environments with authority

49:14

figures and there are some

49:16

groups like in America like

49:18

the African American community in

49:20

America where there's a high

49:22

amount of conspiracy theories because

49:25

there's a very earned lack

49:27

of trust with authority figures.

49:29

And there are also and

49:31

so like sometimes I want

49:33

to avoid these subjects

49:35

but I do think that

49:37

they're usually ones that I

49:39

will approach with some consideration

49:41

a little bit more of a

49:43

you know more of like a attempt to

49:46

to dig more into and like build

49:48

more like I feel like I'm I

49:50

feel like I'm gonna have to like

49:52

do more work not just to like

49:54

debunk it but to contextualize

49:56

the belief itself as a

49:59

sociological phenomenon. And this is

50:01

probably one that I don't think

50:03

that I am the right kind

50:05

of person to, we've talked around,

50:08

but I wouldn't go deep into

50:10

because I think it would be inappropriate

50:12

for me to talk about

50:14

it, because it's like a

50:16

lot of insider stuff with

50:18

a culture in and of itself.

50:20

And that is that there is,

50:22

especially in the American

50:25

Southwest, a like a high

50:27

penetration of like the UFO. stuff

50:29

in the Native American community.

50:32

Like, it's, it's, and to some of

50:34

them, it's kind of a joke in some

50:36

of them, it's kind of not, but like,

50:38

there are some cultures in like

50:40

the American Southwest that have

50:42

taken like, UFO Mithos and kind

50:45

of incorporated it into their

50:47

spiritual worldview, and it's not

50:49

uniform across any culture, it's

50:51

like. you know, specific people,

50:53

different leaders, different like personalities.

50:55

And I can, all I

50:57

can tell is from what

50:59

my research around it is

51:01

that there's a lot of like, there's

51:04

a lot of like Native American

51:06

politics that have to do with

51:08

this and there's like a lot

51:10

of like insider cultural stuff that I

51:12

am not privy to and like,

51:14

I don't really, we danced around it

51:17

in a couple of episodes that we've

51:19

done, but I. didn't want to go too

51:21

in depth into like the fights that are

51:23

happening, the sort of arguments that

51:26

are happening in Native American communities

51:28

about their own spirituality with their

51:30

own people because I feel like

51:32

that is just not a conversation

51:34

that I as a white settler

51:37

has any place in like either talking

51:39

about and having an opinion on

51:41

or even just kind of like

51:43

airing their dirty laundry on a

51:45

public podcast. So, so I just kind of

51:48

avoid it. I would say another

51:50

conspiracy theory that we

51:52

probably won't ever touch

51:54

is the conspiracy theory

51:56

that we are being

51:59

paid to debunk. conspiracy

52:01

theories because if we spoke on

52:03

that that would break our that

52:05

would breach our contract with the

52:07

CIA who told us not to

52:09

talk about it so sorry guys

52:12

can speak on that one okay

52:14

let's try to do here's a

52:16

fun one we just got in

52:18

from political mock it or mock

52:21

one if you could fight any

52:23

member of the main ancient aliens

52:25

guys parentheses von Danakin excluded Which

52:27

would it be? If I had

52:29

to fight him. Say that you

52:32

said, uh, I feel like I'm

52:34

like, I will obviously go for

52:36

like the 80-something-year-old guy. Yeah, if

52:38

I had, hold on, yeah, if

52:40

you're making me fight, it's if

52:42

you could fight, not necessarily, like

52:45

if you could fight any

52:47

of them, not if I'm

52:49

making you fight, I'm going

52:51

for the weakest guy, who's

52:53

almost certainly... who's definitely alive.

52:55

He's fine. He's healthy and

52:57

everything. He's healthy and alive

52:59

and everyone's told us

53:01

that he's fine. If we could

53:03

fight any of them, who would

53:05

it be? I'm a lover, not

53:07

a fighter, but if you made

53:09

me fight any one of them,

53:11

I would probably do my boy.

53:13

David Children's. I feel like we match

53:16

each other in our physical

53:18

qualities of not being very

53:20

strong. Yeah, I guess that

53:22

would be like, because I

53:24

was like thinking like I'm

53:26

like, because like, Georgia probably

53:28

like he, the thing is

53:31

he's young enough that he

53:33

could like, Georgia's wily.

53:35

He could be, he could be ripped,

53:37

I don't know. He could be

53:39

ripped. I think he's wily,

53:41

he's a wild card. You

53:43

never know what he's gonna do.

53:45

He's like, I'd love to see. The,

53:48

the, I'd love to see his like, you

53:50

know, what real life in his whip skills.

53:52

See, see if he's got any whip skills.

53:54

Yeah. Uh, pretend or chili fries. Asks,

53:57

my name is Ella, I will be

53:59

your instructor. Is that how you,

54:01

a Canadian, pronounce it? Because we

54:03

say, say it again. Patent? That's

54:05

how you're supposed to say it?

54:07

Yeah. I mean, it's not so

54:10

much that I'm Canadian. It's because

54:12

I lived in Quebec. And Patent

54:14

is originally from Quebec and it's

54:16

French. And Patent is how you

54:18

pronounce it in French. Okay, well,

54:21

for anyone else, he's saying he's

54:23

trying. The Canadian is trying so

54:25

hard to say the word poutine

54:27

in a fancy way. Patin? I've

54:29

never heard that one. Oh my,

54:32

okay, first of all, American life.

54:34

It's so American to go, like,

54:36

because it's French, it's fancy. Patin

54:38

was invented for people who were

54:40

awake at 4am in Montreal. We

54:43

don't think it's fancy. I just

54:45

think the way you're pronouncing it

54:47

is very different than what I

54:49

hear in my, in the heartland

54:51

of this United States. Patin is

54:54

literally, like, like, the French word

54:56

for, like, a mess. And it's

54:58

designed, it was made for people

55:00

in Montreal at four in the

55:03

morning who are drunk off their

55:05

ass is going to a place

55:07

that's definitely going to get shut

55:09

down by the health inspector so

55:11

that you can avoid a hangover.

55:14

Like, that is literally... Those are

55:16

the best foods. But like, that's

55:18

where it was born. I love

55:20

it. But yeah, I will give

55:22

it, I'll give it, I'll give

55:25

it, yeah, poutine or chili fries,

55:27

I'm giving it to poutine, I'm

55:29

sorry, my man. I actually don't

55:31

love you. I don't know why

55:33

I said that. I was just

55:36

trying to be polite. I don't

55:38

like chili fries very much. Poutine's

55:40

where it's at, my man. I

55:42

love it. Gravy? Cheese curds? Okay,

55:44

okay. I wouldn't be representing Quebec.

55:47

I said it is not gravy.

55:49

It is brown sauce. There is

55:51

a difference. All right, fine. But

55:53

it's better than chili. gravy and

55:55

cheese curts, you're good. And then

55:58

like Quebec, it's like please. brown

56:00

sauce and cheese curds. Some brown

56:02

sauce is a little thinner and

56:04

more sweet, but that's a different

56:06

thing. Oh, that's cool. I mean,

56:08

I like that too. You and

56:11

I need to go to Montreal

56:13

sometime. Let's do a show. Let's do

56:15

like, if we can do a live

56:17

show, let's do a live show, let's

56:19

do a live show in Montreal and

56:21

we will just get black outlet

56:23

and then at 4am we will

56:25

have Paten. Did you answer the

56:27

question? I think that. Yeah, to me

56:30

I'm like, you know what, actually, I'm

56:32

not even a fan of chili fries.

56:34

Like, I- That's what I'm saying. That's

56:36

any, this isn't even a question.

56:38

Chili fries are not even, they're

56:40

not even close to a top-tier food.

56:42

Chili is too, I'm- Chili is too

56:44

thick for, like, thing on fries as

56:47

a combo to me. I would agree.

56:49

I agree. The chili overwhel the fries,

56:51

you're not getting much out of

56:53

the fries in that situation. I

56:55

agree. Poten is like

56:58

because you're supposed to,

57:00

because like with gravy,

57:03

but also with brown

57:05

sauce, it's like, it's

57:07

thinner too. So you get

57:10

more of what coats the

57:12

fries. Yeah. Okay, we'll do

57:14

one more. One more

57:16

question. Let's see, what's

57:19

a good one? Can I have

57:21

$20? No. Okay, one more.

57:23

Oh, it would be a really good one.

57:25

If there is one more. No, there's

57:28

got to be a really good one

57:30

that we can go with. What

57:32

fictional alien would you want to

57:34

meet? Ooh! That's a good question.

57:37

Yeah, we've done, people have

57:39

asked us what our favorite

57:41

fictional aliens are, but that's

57:43

different than which ones we'd

57:45

like to meet. So what kind

57:47

of qualities are you looking for

57:50

in a alien that you meet? Well.

57:52

If I am, if I'm Eric Fontanek

57:55

and the quality is first of

57:57

all, can I have sex with

57:59

them? That is what he wrote

58:01

into his book that everyone likes

58:03

to talk about. So that's a

58:05

pretty big one for me. And

58:07

everyone, I think. Can I kiss

58:10

them? Can I make alien human

58:12

hybrids with them? That's sort of

58:14

what his whole deal was. Von

58:16

Danakin. Let's not forget that's what

58:18

his whole deal was. Von Danikin.

58:20

Let's not forget that's what his

58:22

whole deal was. Gosh, my instinct

58:24

is just to say Garis vicarian

58:26

after that whole speech about having

58:28

sex with him. Yeah, he is

58:30

charming and handsome. And I bet

58:32

he has good stories. I don't

58:34

like that he was a space

58:36

cop, but he stopped being a

58:39

space cop, so that's good. The

58:41

only good space cop is one

58:43

that doesn't exist anymore. So I

58:45

think that's cool. That's my instinct.

58:47

I'll think harder on it, but

58:49

that is... That was my first

58:51

one from Mass Effect, Garrison Carrying.

58:53

Okay. Well, um... Gosh, I could

58:55

have just said Superman, right? How

58:57

easy would that have been? There

58:59

you go. Well, that's better, because

59:01

like my answer was the two

59:03

Martian aliens from fucking Sesame Street,

59:05

the ones that go like, yep,

59:08

yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep,

59:10

yep, yep. So you want to

59:12

meet them for what purpose? For

59:14

what reason? Because I love Muppets.

59:16

Okay, that's fair. Any excuse to

59:18

meet a muppet? I feel like

59:20

we're very fun. You know what

59:22

I'm talking about though? The ones

59:24

that like, they have like the

59:26

triangle mouths and they go like,

59:28

yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep,

59:30

yep, yep. Yeah. Emily has told

59:32

me if there's any way I

59:35

can work my vague, niche internet

59:37

connections to let her meet a

59:39

muppet in real life, that that

59:41

would be the best, the happiest

59:43

day of her life, the happiest

59:45

day of her life. And we

59:47

did have a wedding. But that

59:49

would be the happiest day of

59:51

her life is meeting him. I

59:53

would like I feel like there

59:55

is a like, you know, we're

59:57

doing multi verses now. There's a

59:59

multi verse. Tristan who went into

1:00:01

Jim Henson's orbit because I would

1:00:04

love, I love Muppets and I love

1:00:06

like, um, who doesn't? Yeah,

1:00:08

pip, pip, yep, yep, yep, yep,

1:00:10

yep, pip, pip, pip, pip, pip.

1:00:12

So that's yours. That's your actual

1:00:15

answer. That's who you'd want to

1:00:17

meet. Fairness. I mean, I guess

1:00:19

I could go with like the, I

1:00:22

feel like the, the arrival aliens.

1:00:24

Learn a lot from them. The

1:00:26

pentapods or whatever they were called.

1:00:28

Hectapheptapods. Understand time in a different

1:00:30

way? Yeah. Seemed like they got

1:00:32

it. The brain gets all warped.

1:00:34

Seems like Amy Adams got a

1:00:36

lot out of the whole ordeal,

1:00:38

so that'd be pretty cool. Got

1:00:40

a lot out of it. She

1:00:42

loves aliens. She loves Superman, another

1:00:44

alien. Who I mentioned earlier. She

1:00:46

really loves Superman. She really loves

1:00:48

Superman. She loves. That has, and

1:00:50

then those aliens must have appeared

1:00:53

in some capacity. Who knows? Oh,

1:00:55

man. Those are my answers. I gotta

1:00:57

say a different one other than

1:00:59

Garis Picardian, because that's why I

1:01:02

said last time when someone talked

1:01:04

about aliens and I mentioned massive

1:01:06

ones. People are thirsty for that

1:01:08

living reptile, reptile pug? He's like

1:01:11

a catfish man? Yeah, it's hard

1:01:13

to, it's hard to, he reminds

1:01:15

me of a catfish man. I

1:01:17

don't know how people think of

1:01:19

him, but that's how I think

1:01:21

of him. He's a catfish man.

1:01:23

Um, I'm gonna Google aliens.

1:01:26

Fun, fun fictional aliens.

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What was the one that

1:01:30

Robin Williams played? Yeah, sure.

1:01:32

List of aliens. No, fun

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fictional alien characters. I

1:01:37

don't want species, I

1:01:39

want characters. They're just

1:01:41

giving me like the fan the

1:01:43

fancy one like the cool the

1:01:45

classic ones They give me like

1:01:47

ET and whatnot. I don't want

1:01:50

that I want I want that one

1:01:52

Non-binary alien from Lilo

1:01:54

and stitch with the one eye Are

1:01:56

they remaking then? I think

1:01:58

they're making a lot action

1:02:00

one. Those are his

1:02:02

name, Pleekly, Pleekly, that's

1:02:04

his name. I want to

1:02:07

meet Pleekly. Pleekly is

1:02:09

like if Roger from

1:02:11

American dad was just like

1:02:14

normal. All right, my answer

1:02:16

is Roger from like personality.

1:02:18

Or what's it called?

1:02:20

The two guys from

1:02:22

Solar Opposets. Oh,

1:02:24

that's pretty good. Corvo all

1:02:27

right, those are our answers. I want

1:02:29

to meet plea plea from Lilo and

1:02:31

stitch and you want to meet Roger

1:02:33

from American dad Yep yep yep yep And

1:02:35

also muppets so how do we end up?

1:02:37

We're gonna do we're gonna do another

1:02:39

one of these I can't remember if

1:02:42

the RPG episode comes before or after

1:02:44

this one, but we're gonna do this

1:02:46

is like the last time we're gonna

1:02:48

touch base people until the next

1:02:50

season starts with with and the

1:02:52

general thing is we took a long break

1:02:54

But that was also because I needed to

1:02:57

find a job and I have one now

1:02:59

and so and also I had like a

1:03:01

my job went through like I kind of

1:03:03

hit the ground running because there

1:03:06

was like we were short-staffed

1:03:08

but now things are working

1:03:10

themselves out I'm already starting

1:03:12

on the next season it's going to

1:03:14

be shorter but it will be

1:03:16

faster and it will have angels

1:03:18

it's literally about angels

1:03:20

so and we're supported by

1:03:23

angels Like you all,

1:03:25

who support us on

1:03:27

Patreon and Nebula. But

1:03:29

you're not angels, you're

1:03:31

actually space potatoes. That's

1:03:33

what we're calling you. If you

1:03:36

support us. You're all tater tots.

1:03:38

I love it so much. Thank

1:03:40

you so much for listening.

1:03:43

Tristan, do you realize that

1:03:45

we could have said any

1:03:47

character from Star Wars? Didn't

1:03:50

even cross either of our

1:03:52

minds. Sometimes like I get up and

1:03:54

like there's something really far away and I don't

1:03:56

want to get up and get it and then I'm

1:03:59

like I would love the I want to meet

1:04:01

the one alien who is just

1:04:03

a werewolf Halloween mask. I want

1:04:05

to say it, what was it

1:04:07

like Bluff Shiddo? I want to

1:04:09

meet Glop Shiddo. Anyway, thanks for

1:04:11

listening to this show. We're going

1:04:13

to be doing more Q&A episodes

1:04:15

at the end of each season,

1:04:17

but only for the people who

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support us over at patron. Probs,

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aliens. You can follow us anywhere,

1:04:25

like you just follow at Probs

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Not Aliens on social media. And

1:04:29

Tristan and I also have other

1:04:31

things that we do. Tristan, what

1:04:33

do you do on the internet

1:04:36

outside of this show? I have

1:04:38

a YouTube channel called Step Back,

1:04:40

where I make videos about the

1:04:42

world and why you should probably

1:04:44

understand the past and see things

1:04:46

and more dimensionality. That's the weakest

1:04:48

pitch I've ever had for this

1:04:50

channel, but it's basically like... I

1:04:52

talk about things that are going

1:04:54

on in the world and how

1:04:56

it's got more dimension than just

1:04:58

like the last, like, you know,

1:05:00

like we tend to see things

1:05:02

in very, very short stents, are

1:05:04

very, very short-term... Tristan's gonna approach

1:05:06

you like the aliens from a

1:05:08

rival, and he's gonna mix up

1:05:10

your brain so you see things

1:05:13

differently and interpret the world differently

1:05:15

and time differently. That's what he's

1:05:17

gonna do. You are Amy Adams,

1:05:19

he is the... aliens who I

1:05:21

believe have a name, but I

1:05:23

don't remember what they are. And

1:05:25

Scott, if I wanted to figure

1:05:27

out, if I wanted to see

1:05:29

somebody fix Superman's black suit in

1:05:31

Zach Sanders Justice League, where would

1:05:33

I go for that? That's a

1:05:35

good video, because like half of

1:05:37

it is me just preemptively arguing

1:05:39

with the comments that don't exist

1:05:41

yet, just to cut everyone off

1:05:43

in the past. That's my YouTube

1:05:45

channel. Nurd Sink, N-E-R-D-S-Y-N-C. I'm working

1:05:47

on a bunch of stuff right

1:05:49

now. I do not know when

1:05:52

this episode will air, so I

1:05:54

can't tease any... But

1:05:56

if you like

1:05:58

comics and superheroes

1:06:00

and animation and

1:06:02

movies and things

1:06:04

like that and you

1:06:06

want to see my take on them

1:06:08

where I take them and I look

1:06:10

at them through a lens of you

1:06:12

and trying to learn about the real

1:06:14

world history and art and culture and

1:06:16

fun things like that. That's my channel

1:06:18

go check it out. Merry Christmas everybody.

1:06:20

Like I said, like I said you can

1:06:23

support us and all those places we

1:06:25

mentioned earlier that means a lot to us

1:06:27

you can rate and review this podcast.

1:06:29

On any platform you're listening to that would

1:06:31

mean a lot to us. That's a

1:06:33

free way to help us out. And if

1:06:35

you've already done that, then the

1:06:37

best way to help out is just to tell people

1:06:40

about the show spread it by word of mouth. Go

1:06:44

talk to people

1:06:46

in the past. Go

1:06:49

and go back in time and talk

1:06:51

to people about this podcast and then

1:06:53

forget that you did that and then

1:06:55

remember it later. I forgot how arrival

1:06:57

works. I forgot how the arrival movie

1:06:59

works. It's like very complicated. They just

1:07:01

experience time anyway. They're

1:07:03

like the aliens. just experience it all at the

1:07:05

same time. It's complicated. Yeah.

1:07:09

So like I guess that's everything, right? That's

1:07:12

everything. So until next

1:07:14

time until next season,

1:07:16

which hopefully shouldn't be very long for you

1:07:18

listeners. My name is

1:07:20

Scott Nicewander. I'm Tristan Johnson and the truth

1:07:22

is out there. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep,

1:07:24

yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep,

1:07:27

yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep,

1:07:29

yep. I

1:07:41

can't believe we've got this

1:07:43

far before doing the Martians

1:07:45

from Frickin Sesame Street. It's

1:07:48

very good. I can't believe you didn't

1:07:50

mention anyone from Star Trek either for

1:07:52

aliens you would like to meet. But

1:07:54

I guess when you've got a Muppet

1:07:56

on the table. Yeah, it's true. Muppet

1:07:58

Star Trek. Strange New Worlds. Do a

1:08:01

Muppet episode. Do a

1:08:03

Muppet episode!