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the show. I guess it's probably a

1:01

good time to talk about this There was

1:04

a thing that came out recently there was

1:06

a book There was some book about the

1:08

common Harris campaign where they talked about her

1:10

getting on this show and They said a

1:12

bunch of things that weren't true. They talked

1:15

to a post supposedly talked to like

1:17

a hundred and fifty different people about

1:19

her and you know, what happened with

1:21

her coming on the show? I don't

1:23

know if it's hundred fifty a lot

1:25

of people. They didn't talk to us and

1:28

which is kind of crazy And it

1:30

was just like, they didn't even ask.

1:32

But they said things that just weren't

1:34

true. One of the things that said

1:36

that weren't true was that we lied

1:38

about the day that Trump was coming

1:40

on. No, we just didn't tell

1:42

you that Trump was coming on. He

1:44

was already booked a long time ago.

1:46

This is how it worked. Trump was

1:48

really easy to book, like super easy. We

1:51

offered one day, he said yes. That was

1:53

it. There was no, what are we gonna

1:55

talk about? How long is it gonna be?

1:57

Is it gonna be edited? There was nothing.

1:59

What's the rate? waiver here give me

2:02

that waiver sign it it

2:04

was there we go folks

2:06

this is the controversy that's

2:09

happening with the Kamal Harris

2:11

Joe Rogan conversation there I

2:13

mean there's been many articles

2:16

written right now about what

2:18

happened why Kamala didn't go

2:20

on or Camala and Where

2:22

are we with this? You

2:25

know? It's like, is, is

2:27

everything that they're saying, bullshit,

2:29

over there? I mean, I'm

2:32

starting to think so. Like,

2:34

they're really hammering Joe about

2:36

this. And it's like, why

2:39

even do damage control after

2:41

you lost this hard? I

2:43

don't know. What do you

2:46

think? I find it. Unfortunately,

2:48

and sort of discouraging how

2:50

much misinformation is spread during

2:53

election seasons and, you know,

2:55

the rumors that go around

2:57

during this time about both

3:00

parties, you know, and a

3:02

lot of it is taken

3:04

out of context and true,

3:07

and truly a lot of

3:09

them just like there's not

3:11

a lot of truth to

3:14

them. And I just find

3:16

it wild. You know, these

3:18

stories take off before facts

3:21

are checked. And in this

3:23

scenario, we all, you know,

3:25

lovers of Joe Rogan fans,

3:28

I guess, and love, you

3:30

know, people who love the

3:32

Joe Rogan experience, want to

3:35

believe that he was in

3:37

the right here and that

3:39

he's telling the truth here,

3:42

obviously. There's not any way

3:44

to validate this entire. but

3:46

I believe he's telling the

3:49

truth. I believe he's telling

3:51

the correct like series of

3:53

events. And yeah, I mean,

3:56

there's a lot of random,

3:58

like, peculiar circumstances around commonly

4:00

coming on the show and

4:03

why she didn't come on

4:05

the show. And as Joe

4:07

explains, I mean, getting Trump

4:10

on was easy. It was,

4:12

here's the day, okay, sign

4:14

the waiver, you're on. show

4:17

up just him, three hours,

4:19

and it's normal. As it

4:21

typically should be for a

4:23

Joe Rogan experienced guest. Nothing

4:26

complicated about it. Yeah. Yeah,

4:28

that's what it sounds like

4:30

to me. And, you know,

4:33

this was covered in the

4:35

Dan Richards episode. Obviously, this

4:37

is a bit of a

4:40

sideline to most of Joe

4:42

and Dan's. conversation, but it

4:44

was the most controversial thing

4:47

happened in the Rogans sphere

4:49

up until now. And you

4:51

know what? Honestly, I was

4:54

kind of like curious about

4:56

how this went down. Like,

4:58

I didn't expect Joe to

5:01

run some sort of, you

5:03

know, Cyop against Kamala. But

5:05

at the same time, I'm

5:08

like, all right, well, you're

5:10

hearing this from... from their

5:12

side and I feel like

5:15

they would have wanted her

5:17

on like that's a good

5:19

move maybe they really couldn't

5:22

like get her on no

5:24

turns out she didn't want

5:26

to go is what I

5:29

think I mean if all

5:31

of the things like all

5:33

of the ways that he

5:36

made it possible she basically

5:38

made it impossible She for

5:40

every reason that he was

5:43

like, this makes sense. Let's

5:45

make it easy. She was

5:47

like, this is not what

5:50

I want and and I'm

5:52

gonna show that through making

5:54

it complicated. Yeah, it. It's

5:57

so unfortunate. I mean, he

5:59

talked a bit about, you

6:01

know, wanting to have had

6:04

both guests on Trump as

6:06

a guest and Kamala as

6:08

a guest and releasing the

6:11

episodes on the same day. No, no,

6:13

he didn't want them on together. He

6:15

was just gonna release. Right. Release

6:17

the episodes on the same day.

6:19

Right. And I mean, like, he

6:21

didn't want to be, he wasn't

6:24

trying to be biased in his

6:26

own right. Like he was really

6:28

trying to give. Both candidates, an

6:31

open platform, a large, influential,

6:34

you know, widespread platform

6:36

to speak their message.

6:38

And one of those two

6:40

parties just simply

6:42

forfeited that opportunity.

6:44

That's so wild. Yeah.

6:46

They had a billion dollar

6:49

budget to figure out how

6:51

to become president. And they

6:53

didn't have a team that

6:55

was like, Podcast like

6:58

even if you had a team that

7:00

was like yeah I don't think you

7:02

should go on a lot of podcasts

7:04

like how do you miss Rogans?

7:07

And then there's like this

7:09

weird like what is it CBS

7:11

or one of the channels is

7:14

like highly edited you know

7:16

they're careful by the quay

7:18

I don't think she can

7:20

handle any questions I think

7:22

world leaders facing her would

7:24

have eaten her to pieces and

7:27

that was the best you could

7:29

bring to the table. Like

7:31

I'm open to people that

7:33

are like strong leaders like

7:35

always on any side. I

7:37

love to like listen to

7:39

somebody that can like affirm

7:42

their position stand by it

7:44

and it's like this is what

7:46

I want. Yeah I think you know

7:48

as a younger person, a

7:50

younger adult, a little thinking

7:52

about who you want to

7:54

vote for. You go into

7:56

the world thinking about this.

8:00

personality-wise, because there's

8:02

no television and video recording

8:04

of that, but that's something

8:06

along the lines of who

8:09

has been, you know, there's

8:11

the George W. Bush's, there's

8:13

the Jay of Kennedy's, there's

8:15

the, you know, the George

8:17

Washington's, which obviously we know

8:19

nothing about personality-wise, because there's

8:22

no television and video recording

8:24

of that, but that said,

8:26

like... You know, as someone

8:28

who's sort of entered the

8:30

voting world in the Obama

8:33

era, you sort of have

8:35

this mindset of like, okay,

8:37

someone who is well spoken,

8:39

it's someone who's confident, it's

8:41

someone who's likable, and someone

8:44

who's like, you know, genuine.

8:46

Honestly, more than anything, that's

8:48

something that I respect about

8:50

Obama as a human, right?

8:52

And as a candidate, is

8:55

his genuineity. I don't know

8:57

that I feel that directly

8:59

from Trump, but I feel

9:01

like with Kamala, there's this

9:03

fake, like level of fakeness,

9:06

where it's like she's really

9:08

trying to be genuine and

9:10

it's like she's failing. at

9:12

it, like because she's the

9:14

opposite of that. Whereas Trump

9:17

is genuinely him, and it's

9:19

not what I always expected

9:21

as someone who was gonna

9:23

be our president, who was

9:25

gonna be, you know, a

9:28

world leader. But when you

9:30

compare the two personality-wise, it's

9:32

like, who do you want

9:34

standing up for you? Someone

9:36

who is scared, someone who...

9:39

Who is who kind of

9:41

lies who kind of you

9:43

know Shies away from the

9:45

hard truths of what is

9:47

her reality? Or do you

9:50

want someone who says yeah?

9:52

Maybe like maybe I've fucked

9:54

up. Maybe I've been a

9:56

bad person But here's what

9:58

I'm going to do that

10:01

is good and is like

10:03

really brave and strong about

10:05

it. Yeah, that's an interesting

10:07

one. I mean, you know,

10:09

I don't think it's unreasonable

10:11

and Joe said it before,

10:14

like, you know, Obama was

10:16

a good statement. He was

10:18

a strong statement. He was

10:20

what we expect a president

10:22

to sound like. However, we

10:25

really want a president to

10:27

act like. And I don't

10:29

think Obama did that. I

10:31

don't think he backed it

10:33

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TNCs. I think he spoke

11:59

like it and that was

12:01

great, but I don't think

12:03

he acted like it. Yeah.

12:06

From what I can tell.

12:08

Potentially, yeah. I mean that's

12:10

very... It's just my opinion.

12:12

For sure. I mean everyone is

12:14

entitled to their opinion and that's a

12:17

great thing about living in a free

12:19

country, right? We get to we get

12:21

to make our own decision. Yeah, and

12:24

we can be wrong. We can be

12:26

wrong, yeah. We can feel right

12:28

and we can be wrong, right?

12:30

And there shouldn't be any judgment

12:32

there. 100% like Obama sort of

12:34

embodied for a lot of people

12:36

what you said. Like he was

12:39

a statesman, he spoke well. And

12:41

when Trump sort of came onto

12:43

the scene, it was like, who

12:45

is this person that is

12:47

like not a political person?

12:50

Like who is not like

12:52

a political careersman? And yet

12:54

in office. he speaks to

12:56

a lot of people. Like,

12:59

he really gets a lot

13:01

of people feeling confident in

13:03

him and he hasn't had

13:05

a history of it, right? Yeah. I

13:07

mean, listen, Obama got out of

13:10

power, he was in for eight

13:12

years, and I would say, like,

13:14

the more impoverished areas, the

13:16

South side of Chicago,

13:18

you know, primarily, like,

13:20

poorer black neighborhoods, didn't

13:23

improve a lot. And that

13:25

was the hope the dream and

13:27

I wanted it to be

13:29

true too right and You know forgive

13:32

me if I'm wrong, but if

13:34

your neighborhood improved

13:36

greatly Like fuck yeah power

13:38

to you and good and I

13:40

want to hear about it, but

13:43

I don't think it did. I

13:45

don't think he focused

13:47

on that right and

13:49

that's that's heartbreaking right

13:51

you know Like to run

13:53

on something like that.

13:55

Yeah. Well, yeah. So so Dan

13:58

Richards came on. not

14:00

to talk about this, but

14:02

Joe had to cover it.

14:04

And Dan is like, you

14:07

know, not one of those

14:09

pseudo archaeologists. He's kind of

14:11

more of a guy that,

14:13

how would you describe him?

14:15

Like, he's skeptical of a

14:18

lot of the types of

14:20

discoveries, like how the pyramids

14:22

were built, how these stones

14:24

were put together, or the

14:27

rest of it. Yet he

14:29

also is asking the question

14:31

all the time like, yeah,

14:33

maybe it isn't this way

14:35

that, you know, the ancient

14:38

aliens crew is saying that's

14:40

how it was built. But

14:42

how the fuck was it

14:44

put there? Like what's going

14:46

on? I don't believe mainstream

14:49

archaeology. I think it's older.

14:51

I think it's different. What's

14:53

the story? You know? And

14:55

you know, they get into

14:58

it with the arc of

15:00

the covenant, right? Which is,

15:02

which is an interesting one

15:04

because it's like Indiana Jones,

15:06

it's, you know, the Bible,

15:09

and they're saying it's in

15:11

Ethiopia, it's in this old

15:13

church, the super old church.

15:15

Where do you go from

15:18

there? Yeah, I genuinely, I

15:20

generally don't know. I mean,

15:22

some of these concepts are

15:24

a bit far-reach for me.

15:26

Like, I don't think about

15:29

ancient ruins on a regular

15:31

basis, and I don't think

15:33

about the control that is

15:35

had over those and sort

15:37

of like what that means

15:40

for different cultures in different

15:42

countries. What I found really

15:44

interesting about... this conversation and

15:46

this topic in general was

15:49

that they found that priests

15:51

who go this arc of

15:53

the government, covenant, excuse me,

15:55

suffer from radiation poisoning and

15:57

in the same vain blindness

16:00

and shorter life spans. And

16:02

some of that I wanted

16:04

to like, is this coincidence

16:06

due to like other environmental

16:08

circumstances or does this have

16:11

to do with this? Ancient

16:13

ruining and of itself. Well,

16:15

who is checking that? I

16:17

don't know. Who is like

16:20

going in there and being

16:22

like, you know, checking that

16:24

radiation poisoning and their blindness?

16:26

Well, maybe nobody, but maybe

16:28

they just already picked a

16:31

bunch of blind priests. Yes,

16:33

I say, maybe there's a

16:35

coincidence. Maybe these two priests

16:37

that have been exposed to

16:40

this have also been previously

16:42

exposed to something else. But

16:44

I feel like... I think

16:46

that if people thought the

16:48

Ark of the covenant... was

16:51

in some Ethiopian church. I

16:53

don't know how difficult it

16:55

would be for some people

16:57

to take it. Yeah. Yeah,

16:59

I don't know. You know?

17:02

Yeah, I do know, but

17:04

I don't know. Well, look,

17:06

if it was like a

17:08

UFO landed, and we've talked

17:11

about that on previous shows,

17:13

yeah, they send in, you

17:15

know, Blackhawk helicopters. They're gonna

17:17

scoop it up. Right. I

17:19

feel like the Ark of

17:22

the Covenant is like something

17:24

people would investigate heavily. So

17:26

what you're saying is you

17:28

think it's not real? No,

17:31

well yeah, I think nothing

17:33

is that for sure. Yeah,

17:35

I think we could find

17:37

out. I think someone could

17:39

walk by with what do

17:42

they call those things? A

17:44

Gaia counter? Yeah. Like clicking

17:46

away and be like, oh

17:48

wow, there's a lot of

17:50

radiation over there. Maybe we

17:53

should check that out. Right.

17:55

What's the kind of security

17:57

on this Ethiopian church? Yeah,

17:59

probably none. I mean, it's

18:02

hard to say. A couple

18:04

of blind priests, they're gonna

18:06

be easy to trick. You

18:08

just like throw a rock to

18:11

their left and they're like, oh,

18:13

it's over there. And you just

18:15

walk around them. God bless them,

18:18

they're doing their best, but.

18:20

Well, to be fair, I mean,

18:22

Dan takes a really balanced approach

18:25

in this realm. He's into

18:27

alternative history, you know.

18:29

And I'd say that he's a

18:31

skeptic. He called out a few

18:33

theories that I would say don't hold

18:36

up. You know, like the

18:38

idea of ancient stone blocks

18:40

producing electricity through

18:42

peas, peas of electricity.

18:44

Am I saying that right? Pizzo electricity?

18:47

Pizzo? Pizzo electricity.

18:50

That's a good note that you

18:52

wrote down. Pizzo. Pizzo

18:54

electricity. That's a good note

18:56

that you wrote down. Pizzo.

18:58

Pizzo? Pizzo. Pizzo electricity.

19:01

Yeah, that's an interesting

19:03

spelling. I like I like your

19:05

note sometimes. Yeah, my notes

19:08

are really good. Yeah, they're

19:10

really thorough. Well, they're just

19:12

hard to read. Yeah, I mean,

19:14

look, Dan, you know, he's a

19:17

skeptic. He challenges

19:19

mainstream alternative narratives.

19:21

He's also not, you know,

19:23

jumping down the ancient aliens

19:26

route to. It's not, you

19:28

know, he doesn't just go,

19:30

oh yeah, they melted this

19:33

together with some super technology.

19:35

He doesn't pretend to know

19:37

how things are working, but he

19:39

questions it, which is

19:42

great. And he does it, he

19:44

does it, like, well, like

19:46

he's respectful of other ideas,

19:48

which is really how we

19:50

can make sense of, you know,

19:52

what is really happening. He

19:54

can bring people in. chat

19:56

with them and even if they

19:59

could think completely different

20:01

than he does. He can find

20:03

just kind of like a middle

20:06

ground, like yeah, yeah, that doesn't

20:08

really make sense, but I like

20:11

where you come from, are you

20:13

open to this? And that's really

20:15

where the dialogue is breaking down

20:18

as far as I can tell

20:20

with, you know, archaeology and the

20:23

quote unquote pseudo archaeologist. Yeah. Is

20:25

there a war with each other.

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Yeah, yeah, I would say I would he

21:29

as a individual say he as an individual

21:31

brings forward brings forward, like

21:34

especially on platforms like

21:36

this, I mean on

21:38

his, on like especially on platforms like this I mean on his on his on his

21:40

YouTube his, on his, uh, YouTube show for show for sure,

21:43

you know. sure, you know, both

21:45

factual and just

21:47

evidential information that Challenges

21:50

both narratives of

21:52

like what is mainstream

21:55

and what is alternative

22:03

basically resonate with

22:06

this opinion, like

22:08

this, this viewpoint on

22:10

this topic, this sort

22:12

of supports my, my narrative,

22:15

right, of like what I

22:17

find important, what I

22:20

value, what I think is

22:22

critical, and what is like,

22:24

you know, valuable. But

22:27

I think people don't always

22:29

search for true, like actual

22:32

evidence. There's just like, it's

22:34

like, they search for evidence

22:36

that supports their narrative. And

22:39

I think there's a real problem

22:41

in that. And I've said this

22:44

before, I'll say it again, there

22:46

are three sides to every story.

22:48

And you know, finding the truth

22:51

should always be the goal, not

22:53

substantiating your side of

22:55

the story. Yeah, for sure. And

22:58

that's always the problem.

23:00

It's like, are they open? Are they

23:02

willing to listen? And do

23:04

you need a PhD to

23:06

have an opinion? Right. And

23:08

who knows? Especially if there's

23:10

a lot of pressure in that world

23:13

to just follow the narrative.

23:15

I mean, I think a

23:17

lot of good PhD archaeologists

23:19

are shut down with their

23:22

theories, because they're not even

23:24

given the space to like...

23:26

attempted and it's you know they're

23:29

all guessing really well that's

23:31

where like funding for certain

23:33

research projects comes into play

23:35

right like I mean a

23:38

lot of funding for research

23:40

is looking for a specific

23:42

answer from the research a

23:45

specific support in in hypothesis

23:47

are you saying specific

23:49

or specific or specific

23:52

solid yeah right like you know

23:54

projects that are, you know, or

23:56

research initiatives that are looking to

23:59

support or, you know, challenge some

24:01

some mindset over something like

24:03

or some evidence like you

24:05

can basically take scientific evidence

24:08

in any almost in any

24:10

context to support one side

24:12

or another. That's where it

24:15

gets scary. Gets real scary.

24:17

Yeah, yeah, it gets real

24:19

scary. I mean, look, let's

24:22

jump over to something that's

24:24

a bit more exciting. the

24:27

Mars anomalies. Okay, so we

24:29

have what looks like the

24:31

base of a pyramid on

24:34

the Mars. Now, this is

24:36

not a new photo, folks.

24:38

Okay, we've had this while.

24:41

I say we, not me,

24:43

but I don't know, NASA,

24:45

I guess. And it looks

24:48

like perfectly square. What would

24:50

that be? The base of

24:52

a pyramid? Like, I don't

24:55

know how long it would

24:57

take for a pyramid to

24:59

erode away. I assume the

25:02

base would last the longest.

25:04

What do we think? Is

25:06

this really the sign of

25:09

ancient construction? Is it bullshit?

25:11

Is it like the face?

25:13

I mean, the face is

25:16

close to that. Where do

25:18

we go from here? I

25:20

think that's the question, you

25:23

know. Land some shit, Elon.

25:25

Get your robots out there.

25:27

Stop walking around with your

25:30

like humanoid robot things and

25:32

just like dig it up.

25:34

I mean, it's hard, you

25:37

know, you think about shadows

25:39

and and light reflection in

25:41

general, like sometimes there are

25:44

weird anomalies that don't feel

25:46

real, you know, the people

25:48

like, oh, I saw an

25:51

angel or oh, I saw

25:53

this and so. It's I

25:55

find it hard to believe

25:58

that like this like one

26:00

or like very limited imaging

26:02

that we have of Mars

26:05

from this company is

26:07

like specifically exhaustive

26:10

right I guess not

26:12

specific but is exhaustive

26:15

and I you know I don't

26:17

know it's part of me

26:19

feels like we've been

26:21

here before like we've

26:24

speculated about shadows

26:27

of things on

26:29

Mars before and

26:32

it like wasn't

26:34

really that big

26:36

of a deal. I don't

26:39

know. I don't know

26:41

if you recall, but.

26:43

You mean the face?

26:45

Yeah, it was like

26:47

this like face that

26:50

they found on Mars. Yeah. And it

26:52

turned out to just be shadows playing

26:54

tricks. Well, I mean, and we all

26:57

kind of freaked out. We were like,

26:59

oh my God, what is this? What

27:01

is this? And it really turned out to

27:03

be nothing. And so I feel like with.

27:05

Maybe it is though. Well, maybe it is,

27:07

but maybe it's not. I don't know.

27:09

I have such a hard time because

27:12

sometimes like, God, I get really excited

27:14

and I get super like worked up

27:16

and then I'm like, oh my gosh. like

27:18

our real life to think about

27:20

and obviously I want to know

27:22

about these like crazy far fetched

27:25

possibilities and I want to

27:27

be ahead. Don't get me

27:29

wrong like I want to know and

27:31

I want to be expect I want

27:33

to be ahead of the normal

27:36

like expectation of what's happening

27:38

but I also sometimes I feel

27:41

like it takes me away from

27:43

reality to think about things that

27:45

are so far fetched and so

27:47

Like, um, mind bending, you know,

27:50

even when they talk about the

27:52

pyramids on the on earth. They're

27:54

like, but it's not possible the

27:56

physics of this and this. I'm

27:58

like, I just like I think

28:00

they're here, they're here and

28:02

that's it and I'm living

28:04

this life and I'm doing

28:07

my thing and I'm trying

28:09

to get by every single

28:11

day and you know, be

28:13

a good wife, be a

28:15

good mom, be a good

28:17

daughter, be a good all

28:20

these things and yet there's

28:22

this like existential fear in

28:24

crisis that I'm experiencing from

28:26

like the external influence and

28:28

the external information that comes

28:31

in about things like this.

28:33

Yeah, I mean, look, a

28:35

lot of people are busy.

28:37

A lot of people can't.

28:39

break down, you know, all

28:41

these different aspects of politics

28:44

and, you know, ancient history

28:46

and the rest of it.

28:48

I mean, I think that's

28:50

where reading books comes in.

28:52

Yeah, you know, maybe it

28:55

opens you up to like

28:57

other things that are happening.

28:59

And, you know, each your

29:01

own. Like, it's not for

29:03

everyone, I guess. But, you

29:05

know. One of the bigger

29:08

things that Dan talked about

29:10

that kind of hit me

29:12

and was kind of shocking

29:14

and I well not kind

29:16

of shocking very shocking was

29:19

when he was talking about

29:21

the like that controversy in

29:23

South America where there's this

29:25

archaeologist down there and he's

29:27

doing work people start reporting

29:29

in this as like some

29:32

sort of CIA plant in

29:34

like a government that's you

29:36

know very volatile and You

29:38

know it's putting his life

29:40

in danger over archaeology Like

29:43

what I mean look I

29:45

get it you're passionate in

29:47

your world, but like Why

29:49

would you put someone's life

29:51

at risk? Well, yeah, I

29:53

mean what gets me is

29:56

that like he's seeking the

29:58

truth. He's not seeking misinformation.

30:00

He's not seeking to like

30:02

intentionally skew mindsets, opinions,

30:04

preferences one way or another. He's

30:07

seeking the truth and um... You

30:09

are no dummy but you're kind

30:11

of acting like one. You used

30:13

to crush it in school, outsmarting opponents

30:16

on the field and now,

30:18

well you're still smart but

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31:39

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31:42

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31:44

for a long time anyone

31:46

who challenges than the status

31:48

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31:50

and and Dan just seems

31:52

to be someone who seems

31:54

to be someone who is like,

31:56

it's worth it. You know, he's one

31:59

of the few, he's... trailblazer and

32:01

we should be really grateful for people

32:03

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32:06

and individual as he is,

32:08

his kind is really important to

32:10

the future of our kind, you

32:12

know, and for people that like

32:14

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32:16

Joe Rogan, who genuinely just seek

32:19

the truth and are not looking

32:21

for a one-sided story who want

32:23

all the information, who want the

32:25

truth about everything, like the truth

32:28

seekers out there, you know. We're with

32:30

you in solidarity, I guess, because it

32:32

feels really hard to hear about people

32:34

who are genuinely just

32:36

looking for information, factual

32:38

information, scientific evidence, and

32:41

they're being told that

32:43

like they're doing You're

32:47

pretty smart. When people talk about

32:49

you, too smart comes up a

32:51

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32:53

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33:21

What about the cocaine and

33:23

mummies? Yeah, let's finish over

33:25

that. I mean, this was another one

33:28

that was, you know, it was like 40

33:30

minutes of the podcast. Yeah, and it should

33:32

be. Yeah, it should be. How did cocaine

33:34

get in a fucking mummy? I mean, it

33:37

first made me laugh. You know, they talked

33:39

about the fact that this had happened

33:41

that mummies were testing positive cocaine.

33:43

And then when they broke it

33:46

down a little bit more, you

33:48

started to like kind of see

33:50

the different, obviously speculations, the different.

33:53

the hypothesis of how

33:55

this happened. Yeah, leave what you want.

33:57

I'm sure there's a common...

34:00

of things that led to

34:02

this. It's still funny to

34:04

think about. I mean, everyone

34:06

likes to have a good

34:08

time. When they were alive,

34:10

I guess. Yeah, but I

34:12

mean, I liked what Dan

34:14

said, like, you know, contamination

34:16

makes sense. But like also,

34:18

you have to ask yourself.

34:20

Who the fuck is doing

34:22

cocaine over a mummy or

34:24

even near a mummy? Like

34:26

the people, like is this

34:28

a thing in the world

34:30

of like archaeology? I don't

34:32

even know. Is it an

34:34

archaeologist that like, you know,

34:36

delves into a mummy? Is

34:38

it, is it, no, it's

34:40

not a doctor, but like

34:42

who would, who would be

34:44

like sifting through mummy bones?

34:46

Like what job is that?

34:48

And why are those people

34:50

doing cocaine? I just want

34:52

to know, how are they

34:54

doing this unsupervised? I mean,

34:56

like, how could they find

34:58

a mommy? You probably work

35:00

at a museum. Maybe. It's

35:02

like, I don't know what

35:05

it takes to do that.

35:07

You're a historian? You're just

35:09

like, let me just do

35:11

one. Historians doing cocaine? Just

35:13

one bump. And then they

35:15

do one bump and they

35:17

spill it. And then they

35:19

scrape up what they can.

35:21

Talking about hair samples though,

35:23

like wouldn't it be in

35:25

the hair then? Is it

35:27

like, is it floating on

35:29

top of the hair? Can

35:31

you wash the hair? Or

35:33

is it like in the

35:35

hair? I don't know. I

35:37

wish I could be there.

35:39

I wish I could be

35:41

a part of it. Because

35:43

I want to know more.

35:45

I want to know how

35:47

they justified declaring the mummies

35:49

to a positive for cocaine.

35:51

Yeah. The last thing I

35:53

want to hit on is

35:55

like the Go Beckley-Tepi stuff,

35:57

the Bimini Road, like Dantal.

35:59

about a lot of very

36:01

ancient stuff that Joe is,

36:03

you know, discussed many

36:06

times. And it's like when

36:08

we're talking about the

36:10

timeline, I mean, I remember

36:12

being in college in like

36:14

2005, and like, I didn't

36:16

take archaeology courses, but

36:19

I took history, the rest of

36:21

it, and it's like, oh yeah,

36:23

it was like a little bit

36:26

before the pyramids, we are

36:28

in this place. It's like,

36:30

just a little bit before

36:33

the pyramids, everyone

36:36

was a caveman. And that's

36:38

because they just didn't

36:40

have an answer. And

36:42

now, with Go Backri

36:45

Tepi, like 12,000 years old,

36:47

or 12, I don't know what

36:49

it is, you know, we know

36:51

shit is way over. So where,

36:53

you know, why are they not

36:56

adjusting? Why is it? Why

36:58

are they so firm and held in

37:00

in their thinking? It's like,

37:02

I don't think it

37:04

helps archaeology. And

37:07

it's certainly not creating

37:09

trust in people if they

37:12

just hold on to this narrative.

37:14

It's like, yeah, you've got

37:17

to hold your paradigm to

37:19

like exist. You have

37:21

PhDs, the rest of it. But

37:24

also. You have to be

37:26

flexible, right? I mean, I don't know.

37:28

I love what Darren's doing.

37:30

I love his approach. I

37:33

think it's really effective. I

37:35

hope that he comes on

37:37

Rogan again. He just covers

37:39

it all. Ancient mysteries, lost

37:41

tech, cocaine mummies, of course.

37:44

And, you know, I think it's

37:46

great. So check this episode out.

37:48

It was solid. And we'll

37:50

talk to you guys next

37:53

week. Love you all. Later.

38:02

You're pretty smart. When people

38:04

talk about you, you, too smart comes up

38:06

a lot. are So why are you trying

38:08

to prove them wrong? Why aren't

38:10

you pushing the limits of science and powering

38:12

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38:14

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38:16

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38:19

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