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this week We got a body

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get you know what I like

1:42

to call specialists on for

1:44

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1:46

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1:50

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1:53

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1:59

known on operators and welcome to

2:01

the show Nick. I appreciate you

2:04

having me on Adam. I hope

2:06

that wasn't too much of an

2:08

intro. It's tough to, you know,

2:11

be the specialist in this role.

2:13

It's a little different from my

2:15

field, but I'll hope that I

2:18

don't embarrass myself too bad here.

2:20

You're a humble man, but really

2:23

most people around me are a

2:25

specialist because I know very little

2:27

about what is going on. And

2:30

when it comes to Mike Baker,

2:32

he's such a staple of Rogan

2:34

show, and you know, he's kind

2:37

of like one over the hearts

2:39

of the Jerry listeners. But at

2:41

the same time, I know so

2:44

little about that world that he

2:46

comes from. It's like hard for

2:48

me to, I don't want to

2:51

say trust them, but to kind

2:53

of like follow his... his maybe

2:56

his logic on some stuff. He

2:58

also seems still to this day

3:00

quite protective of the CIA. I

3:03

know he's retired, but he's definitely

3:05

doing some politics that don't you

3:07

think? You're familiar with the term

3:10

persona non grata, right? Yeah. There

3:12

are things that if you say

3:14

them and you came from these

3:17

units or organizations that you can

3:19

get stamped with that. moniker and

3:22

that is something you do not

3:24

want to happen you don't want

3:26

to slip so everything not everything

3:29

that he says but most things

3:31

that he does say are veiled

3:33

through this version of what is

3:36

suitable to go out to the

3:38

public. Hmm so it's not just

3:40

a question of like I understand

3:43

that with classified things like even

3:45

if you retire you can you

3:48

can't break those rules right? Does

3:50

it go all the way down

3:52

to just the basic politics of

3:55

the position as well? It's like

3:57

if he starts. just kind of

3:59

talking some CIA shit, they're gonna

4:02

kick him out of the club

4:04

or? There's things people can say

4:06

that are politically okay. Mike's very

4:09

good at wording things kind of

4:11

down into the layman and that's

4:14

why Rogan pulls him on so

4:16

much is because if Joe doesn't

4:18

understand something he'll pull him on

4:21

there and hey can you sort

4:23

this out for me so I

4:25

understand it better. So Joe's very

4:28

good with that. But

4:30

to get back like, there's political

4:32

aspirations in play with intelligence, there's

4:34

what's in the media, there's stances

4:37

on things, and vague is the

4:39

name of the game, really. And

4:41

you want to say stuff where

4:43

people understand where you're coming from,

4:45

but you're also not putting anyone

4:47

in danger or burning any bridges

4:50

that you've built along the way,

4:52

because reputation in the intelligence business

4:54

or military anything is worth. way

4:56

more than you can imagine. That's

4:58

a good point, because he is

5:00

pretty non-committal about, like, Rogan wants

5:02

to just throw out his conspiracy

5:05

theory, and he's like waiting for

5:07

Mike to be like, oh yeah,

5:09

but Mike often is like, maybe

5:11

that, maybe this, could be a

5:13

lot of things. I picked it

5:15

up in the phrase that Mike

5:18

keeps saying, I guess I'm not

5:20

putting it. correctly or I guess

5:22

I'm not wording it correctly right

5:24

he wants to say something and

5:26

this is just me listening he

5:28

wants to say something but he's

5:30

not sure how to get out

5:33

the right way to say it

5:35

yeah without without taking aside and

5:37

that's because he's in the public

5:39

eye too so he has to

5:41

walk a fine line he's not

5:43

staunchly this way or staunchly that

5:46

way he's more of a pragmatic

5:48

center of the road approach yeah

5:50

yeah I mean you can guess

5:52

a little bit as politics but

5:54

but he doesn't he doesn't like

5:56

lean into it too heavily talking

5:58

about public eye Yeah, obviously

6:01

Mike has I think like

6:03

national geographic shows that he

6:05

does. He's doing some TV

6:07

things. I can't remember the

6:09

name of his show. Is

6:11

it like something files? Man,

6:13

I've even watched I think it's

6:15

that right, isn't it? I've watched

6:17

it. It's a good show. And I

6:20

loved hearing that he was

6:22

doing some work for British

6:24

servicemen. He also brought up

6:26

that the British aren't very

6:28

good at. raising money and

6:31

really it turned into a

6:33

little bit of money. I wish

6:35

I could defend it but it's

6:38

all true and I wish I

6:40

could defend it but it's all

6:42

true and yeah he's over there

6:45

kind of they were doing something

6:47

in the what was in

6:49

the Middle East on camels

6:52

raising awareness and some

6:54

money and really it turned

6:57

into a little bit of

6:59

like a kind of event. It was

7:01

just seen as a bunch of white

7:03

guys doing something and there was

7:05

kind of like this pushback that

7:07

was happening. That's at the

7:10

corporate level. When you're doing

7:12

something bad and trying to raise

7:14

money for a foundation, you have

7:16

to, your biggest supporters are

7:18

going to be from a corporate sponsors.

7:21

Right. Sometimes you'll get private entities, that's

7:23

just one on one person that wants

7:25

to donate or somebody that was in

7:27

that unit who rose to be a

7:29

successful business and they're just given back

7:31

to their brothers, right? But a corporate

7:33

has board and they have policies and

7:35

those policies have to look good when

7:37

they put things out in the press,

7:39

right? And they have to think of

7:42

their image and the answer to people,

7:44

especially the people that have the purse

7:46

strings. So... But when you

7:48

get down to it, I've done

7:50

fundraisers and there's fitness type things

7:52

or this was a recreation of

7:54

Trek by Lawrence of Arabia, right?

7:57

That's right. At the lowest level

7:59

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Thinking they were going to lose,

12:10

right? With no plan. And they

12:12

came in this time knowing

12:14

they're going to win. And

12:16

we have, and not with the view

12:18

of, we have four years to

12:21

accomplish thing. It's we only have

12:23

four years. to accomplish anything and

12:25

that's their mentality every day lost

12:27

in their eyes is is an

12:29

opportunity lost and with that you

12:31

lose and Mike spoke to this

12:34

you lose some tact and then

12:36

the way you do things more

12:38

of a slash and burn type

12:40

of mentality oh we're just going

12:42

to cut down the whole forest

12:44

and plant something back later

12:46

even if there were healthy trees

12:49

in there right you're in Montana

12:51

you saw the that bug that

12:53

is destroying the pine trees there,

12:55

right? Oh, yeah. So instead of,

12:57

instead of trying to eradicate that

12:59

little by little, they just level

13:01

the whole forest, we're going to start

13:03

over, we're going to, we're going to

13:05

get plant everything back. That's going to

13:08

upset a lot of people, right?

13:10

Especially people who like trees and

13:12

in the government, they do not

13:14

like to do things fast. There's

13:16

people that have, that their whole

13:18

career is there. And they will. People

13:20

will clamor for change. They want this

13:22

change. They want that to change. But

13:24

as soon as there's a system ready

13:27

to be implemented, they'll push back against

13:29

it for the default of the norm,

13:31

because they know what that is, and you

13:33

don't know what the future holds for them.

13:35

Yeah. I think it's just going to be

13:38

important, like Mike was saying, to keep some

13:40

tact. I know they're running out of,

13:42

you know, in a sense, they feel like

13:44

they're running out of time. They've got to

13:46

move quick, and maybe this is the only

13:48

way to do it. Like who am I

13:50

to come up with how the hell those

13:52

should do something? I have no idea. But

13:54

what I would love to see them do

13:56

is just, you know, for example, when they

13:59

released all the... social security

14:01

numbers and they were like these

14:03

200 year old people are still on

14:05

this list. I think it would have

14:08

been great if they had found out

14:10

that those checks actually aren't

14:12

going out for the most part

14:14

and then not use that as kind

14:16

of like a way to

14:18

get people riled up because

14:20

it's clearly going to keep

14:22

creating a divide. Like why

14:24

not just focus on the

14:26

four point? seven trillion dollars

14:29

that's not accounted for by

14:31

the freaking US Treasury?

14:33

Like that one seems like

14:35

a big problem. What's five

14:38

trillion dollars? Really? So you

14:40

don't ever talk to your

14:43

grandparents, right? And you

14:45

tell them something that's kind

14:48

of shocking and they just go,

14:50

oh, and they think about it.

14:52

And that's that previous generation

14:54

that's that's kind of lost now

14:57

right because if you tell somebody

14:59

something now that's shocking they'll jump

15:01

to a conclusion right away without

15:03

processing what all that is so Elon

15:06

sees something and he posts it and

15:08

then these news stories run with it

15:10

all these different directions and people

15:12

have an reaction to it and they

15:14

have an opinion where and I think

15:17

both sides don't see this is okay

15:19

well where's the rest of the rest of

15:21

the information. Right. Is this true? And

15:23

you have to run that down.

15:25

Well, people don't want to wait

15:27

for that. We're quick to be

15:30

outraged. We're quick to draw conclusions.

15:32

And that's both sides. You're trying

15:34

to combat. So they're putting out

15:36

information information information and

15:38

you're going to have an opposing force

15:41

to that. And you're seeing that right

15:43

now in news. Oh, this happened. Oh,

15:45

that's bad. That's good. That's bad. It's

15:47

I think we're jumping to conclusions too

15:50

much too much. Oh for sure, we're

15:52

tweeting things out before we've barely

15:54

even let the person finish telling

15:56

us what is happening. I mean we just,

15:58

we love to jump. on the next

16:00

piece of information and share it,

16:03

you know, and things get messy

16:05

like that. And I, the one

16:07

thing that kept popping up every

16:09

time they would post something though

16:11

is I was thinking the other

16:14

day, you know, they could just

16:16

re-release the movie Office Space and

16:18

now and not change anything and

16:20

it applies to this situation. Any

16:22

scene from this can be applied

16:25

to anything they're doing in the

16:27

government right now with this doesh.

16:29

No doubt. There were some great

16:31

memes too of those too. It

16:33

had Vivak and Elon just interviewing

16:36

people and brilliant. It is, yeah,

16:38

it is perfect for that. And

16:40

you know, I think what is

16:42

highlighted for me and what I

16:44

hope is happening is exactly what

16:47

you're saying. It's this slash and

16:49

burn attempt because there just isn't

16:51

the time. There's going to be

16:53

so much pushback, it's going to

16:55

slow everything down, and the bureaucracy

16:58

will just get in the way

17:00

of like a real good order.

17:02

So they're just flying through as

17:04

many different agencies as possible to

17:06

see as much as they can

17:09

in the time they have before

17:11

judges and everyone is stopping them.

17:13

And in the hopes of just

17:15

kind of somehow putting a picture

17:17

together, you know. Yeah, you create

17:20

chaos. If you have enough fires

17:22

burning at once, you've got a

17:24

forest fire, right? And maybe they

17:26

don't think all of them are

17:28

going to get come, be successful

17:31

in their endeavors. But you've got

17:33

all of these things going on

17:35

over here. And that's kind of

17:37

like with a plan. Some of

17:39

your plans going to fail. But

17:41

it could draw attention away from

17:44

your main effort. So as Mike

17:46

said, there's some tact not being

17:48

used in this, but there's also.

17:51

What is, and with the intelligence

17:53

thing, what is true that's actually

17:55

making it to the media and

17:58

back to you, the user? Is

18:00

that actually what is happening? You

18:02

don't know. Right. Yeah, we kind

18:04

of have to wait for some

18:07

report that hopefully is transparent and

18:09

useful. And you know, hopefully they

18:11

do clear up the Social Security

18:13

thing and they go back and

18:15

they're like, okay, this wasn't quite

18:18

as bad as we thought this

18:20

is actually though and these other

18:22

things. I think that'd be useful.

18:24

The problem is our media is

18:26

not gonna like. the conclusion at

18:29

all, unless the conclusion makes Doge

18:31

look bad. So there won't be

18:33

coverage on it, even if there

18:35

is a good report. It's just

18:38

kind of how it goes. I

18:40

mean, the House subcommittee did a

18:42

great report on COVID recently, it

18:44

got no press at all. But

18:46

it was because most of the

18:49

findings were like, it came from

18:51

a lab, social distancing doesn't work,

18:53

it like went against all the

18:55

shit that they were saying, and...

18:58

It exists and it would be

19:00

a great useful piece of factual

19:02

data that you could present in

19:04

an argument and it would still

19:06

go nowhere with a lot of

19:09

people because they don't want to

19:11

hear it. They don't want to

19:13

hear it. Stick to this side

19:15

what you think you should believe

19:18

or what other people believe you

19:20

and go with the flow. But

19:22

really in the news and the

19:24

new cycle, it's the same as...

19:26

you know your show or my

19:29

show right you're selling stories and

19:31

if people don't want to listen

19:33

to your story well then you're

19:35

not making any money right so

19:38

that's that's really all it is

19:40

to the end of the day

19:42

it doesn't matter how true it

19:44

is it doesn't matter how impactful

19:46

it is it matters how well

19:49

the stories told and if the

19:51

audience is willing to receive it

19:53

really yeah yeah and I think

19:55

I think both you on and

19:58

Trump in Their respected ways tell

20:00

a good story. because people either

20:02

love it or they hate it

20:04

kind of no one's in the

20:06

middle but it's people are paying

20:09

attention and it's definitely a lot

20:11

more interesting than it was a

20:13

lot more interesting than it has

20:15

been why do you think Elon

20:18

does this like for Trump I

20:20

get it but for Elon he's

20:22

the richest man the world probably

20:24

will eventually be the first trillionaire

20:26

I mean, maybe some of those

20:29

Saudi kings have more money, but

20:31

you never know how much they

20:33

have. But yeah, he's, he is

20:35

like pretty liked for the most

20:38

part, until he got into politics,

20:40

and now people are, you know,

20:42

plenty of people are getting real

20:44

pissed off with him. Why do

20:46

you think he would put himself

20:49

through it? I mean, does he

20:51

just see a path to, oh,

20:53

this will eventually net me? tons

20:55

more money in power? Does he

20:58

really think he's doing something good?

21:00

I can't figure it out. I

21:02

wouldn't want that hate. It would

21:04

be way too stressful. You can

21:06

brush off a lot of hate

21:09

with half a trillion dollars. I

21:11

think that's one of it. You

21:13

could literally buy all of the

21:15

brushes. All of them. He's beyond

21:18

reproach at this point, right? So

21:20

that's one. You've got the attitude

21:22

where I don't I don't give

21:24

a fuck what anybody thinks about

21:26

me. I never have I will

21:29

never have to. He's he's entrenched

21:31

with the most powerful people in

21:33

the world, the billionaires club, and

21:35

he's at the top of the

21:38

pile. That's that's one reason. The

21:40

other one is if you hear

21:42

him talk about his psyche or

21:44

his intellect, right? I really think

21:46

that he has to be engaged

21:49

in something that is So far

21:51

beyond a normal person's ability to

21:53

comprehend difficult, just take his playing

21:55

Diablo, right? Best out, the number

21:58

one Diablo player in the world

22:00

or something. something like that, right?

22:02

Starting all these companies, doing all

22:04

these impossible things. He has to,

22:06

it's a physical thing that he

22:08

has to do. You're pretty You're

22:13

pretty smart. When people talk about

22:15

you, too smart comes up a

22:17

lot. So why are you trying

22:19

to prove them wrong? Why aren't

22:22

you pushing the limits of science

22:24

and powering the nuclear engines of

22:26

the world's most powerful Navy? If

22:28

you were born for it, isn't

22:30

it time to make a smart

22:32

choice? You can be smart or

22:34

you can be nuke smart. Become

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22:45

a third reason, which is totally

22:47

made up by me, is I believe as

22:49

a private citizen he has paid

22:51

the most income taxes of any

22:53

person ever in the history of

22:55

the history of the United States.

22:57

So, and that's billions of dollars,

23:00

just an income tax. So, yeah,

23:02

let him, let him bounce around

23:04

in the government and see where

23:06

his billions of dollars in tax

23:08

money went. That's actually a really

23:10

good point. Wouldn't you want to?

23:12

Wouldn't you want to? Wouldn't you

23:15

want to see where your couple

23:17

thousand dollars went? I think everyone

23:19

does. But that's a good point that

23:21

you say that. If anyone had the

23:23

right, wouldn't it be the person that

23:25

once paid the most taxes? They should.

23:28

to the IRS and I didn't even

23:30

get like a certificate or a

23:32

thank you. I just found that

23:34

very funny because that's so much

23:37

money dude. Yeah, but now, now he's

23:39

friends with the people, he can

23:41

get his little, he gives a

23:43

little IOU or his little prize from

23:45

the IRS and go, he's knocking at

23:48

their door, he says, hey guys, I

23:50

paid for all this, can I take

23:52

a look around? That would be great

23:54

if they gave him a trophy. Also,

23:57

I needed to know five things you

23:59

did last week. And you're fired. And

24:01

you're fired. It's just the guy

24:03

getting a coffee. You're like, you're

24:05

fired dude. You know, what's interesting

24:07

about him and you know, you

24:09

got AOC saying that Elon's like

24:11

the dumbest person she's ever talked

24:14

to, which is just such nonsense.

24:16

But you know, there's a lot

24:18

of talk now about really where

24:20

his intellect is. And is he

24:22

just like, you know, aspergers and

24:24

not even smart and somehow really

24:26

lucky? Like I don't know how

24:29

anyone could believe that. I mean,

24:31

it just wouldn't make any sense.

24:33

But then you get people like

24:35

Kevin O'Leary, that Shark Tank guy,

24:37

and Mike was talking about this,

24:39

or no, I think Rogan was,

24:41

that he's saying they're not cutting

24:43

enough. So he's a guy that

24:46

buys companies, sees when they're not

24:48

working, either resells them or whatever

24:50

he does, and you know, smart

24:52

business guy, billionaire too, I think,

24:54

like much lower, but he's got

24:56

some money. You

25:00

can dismantle a business and the

25:02

country will still run. You can't

25:05

completely dismantle the government and will

25:07

be safe from enemies both foreign

25:09

and domestic. Correct. Yeah, you don't

25:12

want to really, I guess, fuck

25:14

with the military too much, right?

25:16

Not if you want to lose

25:19

a huge base of your voters

25:21

overnight. Sure. Did you see the

25:23

recent, what's the guy's name, Hexeth?

25:26

The, yeah, he did. like a

25:28

seven minute little monologue that they

25:30

put online it's it's really good

25:33

he's basically saying look we're working

25:35

with those we're gonna audit things

25:37

there's also a bunch of things

25:40

that won't be messed with when

25:42

it comes to funding because they're

25:44

too important it was really good

25:47

dude it was like cool to

25:49

hear that he's smart guy and

25:51

he's getting into he's had time

25:54

the civilian sector he's right after

25:56

he got into office he flew

25:58

out to first battalion 10th Special

26:01

Forces group and did physical training

26:03

with them in the morning oh

26:05

yeah I saw that that he

26:08

was that was a 10th Special

26:10

Forces group out there in Germany

26:12

dude that's sick this is the

26:15

guy in charge of that now

26:17

it's like I wouldn't get through

26:19

that workout and he is like

26:22

no no problem at all just

26:24

jump in it shows a lot

26:26

to because you know, it's good

26:29

optics, but he was a, I

26:31

feel like at heart, you know,

26:33

he's a soldier and he just

26:35

wants to show the guys that

26:38

he's one of them. And in

26:40

that whole loyalty aspect, you know,

26:42

that I, that I hear from,

26:45

from military people that I've talked

26:47

to special forces guys I've done

26:49

podcast with, I mean, this, he's

26:52

not just going there to, to

26:54

have a photo up. Like, These

26:56

are his brothers like people he

26:59

cares about I mean the idea

27:01

that he would get in this

27:03

position and then somehow turn his

27:06

back on The the people that

27:08

these active servicemen it doesn't seem

27:10

plausible. I mean he would have

27:13

to be such a piece of

27:15

shit to pull that off There

27:17

was two sizes of coin, right?

27:20

How do you know of politicians

27:22

lying? because they're living. Yeah. Yeah.

27:24

So as long as you take

27:27

everything with a grain of salt,

27:29

yes, he is a politician, but

27:31

he can still be one of

27:34

the boys or girls as well.

27:36

You know, he did a brilliant

27:38

that what he did with Fort

27:41

Liberty and renaming it back to

27:43

Fort Bragg, but a different Fort

27:45

Bragg. I read that that was

27:48

beautiful. I mean, what a work

27:50

around. Because are you familiar with?

27:52

Fort Brag issue. I've heard of

27:55

Fort Brag. I didn't know they...

27:57

the name. All right, so Fort

27:59

Bragg, North Carolina, just outside of

28:02

Fayetteville, is, was named after a

28:04

civil war general, General Bragg, right?

28:06

That became not okay a few

28:08

years ago during the Biden administration,

28:11

and then they changed it. It

28:13

was the only base, I believe,

28:15

that they changed to a non-descript

28:18

name. So it went to Fort

28:20

Liberty. every other base was named

28:22

after another soldier or you know

28:25

who had accolades during battle or

28:27

their service. So that left open

28:29

the opportunity as soon as Hexith

28:32

got in he and I in

28:34

my mind I think this is

28:36

what this is what he did.

28:39

He said he said to his

28:41

aid hey bring me the whole

28:43

roster of everyone that's ever served

28:46

in the military. It might be

28:48

digitized but I assume there was

28:50

a book and he flipped it

28:53

open to the B's and he's

28:55

B. Okay, here we go. We

28:57

got the brags. All right, is

29:00

everybody taking notes? He goes, all

29:02

right, brag, corporal, kicked out of

29:04

the army for alcohol. No, not

29:07

that guy. And then he got

29:09

to the next one and he

29:11

went, oh, four article 15s. No,

29:14

not that guy. And he went,

29:16

okay, brag, perfect. This guy has

29:18

a purple heart. This is the

29:21

one. All right, we're going to

29:23

rename it after a different brag.

29:25

I love that. I mean, that's

29:28

what a work around. And you

29:30

can't change it. You can't change

29:32

it back at that point because

29:35

you've now given it. You didn't

29:37

change it back to the original

29:39

person. You said, here's a prestigious

29:41

new person that served in World

29:44

War II. But everyone knows it

29:46

still means the original guy as

29:48

well. Which is beautiful. And yeah,

29:51

making it somebody else. now they

29:53

would have to dishonor him or

29:55

her to change it and it's

29:58

like that's not happening. Now what

30:00

was the deal? He was

30:02

a civil war general, was he

30:05

on the South? Is that what

30:07

they didn't like him? Yeah. Oh,

30:09

okay. Well, there you go. Was

30:11

it 14 or 17 base names

30:13

in 2021 or 2022 I think?

30:15

Dude, what a slap in the

30:17

face. It just seems useless.

30:19

It's like even if your

30:22

motivation is to just, you

30:24

know, improve the lives of

30:27

others or make them less

30:29

sad about... whatever, slavery or

30:31

something. There's better ways that

30:34

go about it than

30:36

changing base names. It just

30:38

seems like a lot of

30:40

extra work. You gotta buy

30:42

all new signs, business cards.

30:45

That's, you know, if we're

30:47

talking about governmental waste, that

30:50

costs are nothing compared to

30:52

what the government wastes on

30:55

things they don't need. No

30:57

doubt. After the Civil

31:00

War, Congress got together

31:02

and they drafted a bill

31:04

and turned it into law that accepted

31:06

all of the southern, oh God,

31:08

I hope I'm saying this

31:10

writer, I'm gonna get shredded

31:12

here. It accepted all of

31:14

the Confederate soldiers into the

31:17

Union as veterans of the

31:19

United States of America, all of

31:21

them. And after that. They're

31:24

all U.S. veterans. So yes,

31:26

those bases are named after

31:28

Confederate generals, but if my

31:30

history is correct, they were

31:32

all accepted into the Union,

31:34

into the United States of

31:36

America as U.S. veterans after

31:38

the war was over. Oh, that's

31:40

interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah, then

31:42

it makes sense. Yeah. It angers

31:45

people why they did it and made

31:47

other people happy why they did

31:49

it. What I think it did,

31:51

I think it alienated alienated. some

31:53

of the base of people who would

31:55

serve in the military. And

31:57

it made some people happy that...

31:59

we're You

32:49

are no dummy, but you're kind of

32:51

acting like one. You used to crush

32:53

it in school, outsmarting opponents on

32:56

the field, and now, well, you're

32:58

still smart, but not exactly challenging

33:00

yourself. You could be advancing nuclear

33:02

engineering in the world's most powerful

33:04

Navy. You were born for it.

33:06

So make the smart choice. You

33:08

can be smart, or you could

33:10

be nuke smart. Become a nuclear

33:13

engineer at navy.com/nuke smart.

33:15

America's Navy. Forged by the

33:17

sea. back

34:00

to Mike Baker's, like the

34:03

intelligence side of things, you'll

34:05

just put stuff out there to

34:07

see what the reaction is, what

34:09

the other side does. There's

34:11

this dance of truth and

34:14

not truth. And on his

34:16

side of the house, you're

34:18

not selling stories, you're selling,

34:20

buying and selling secrets, right?

34:22

And the president, that's

34:25

your main spokesperson. for

34:27

the nation and he could just say

34:29

stuff that he wants his allies to

34:31

react to he wants his team to

34:33

react to he wants to judge what

34:35

they do so that then they can

34:37

maybe make a real plan or a

34:39

cognizant plan moving forward yeah

34:41

he can say but he does say a

34:44

lot of stuff so i feel like some

34:46

of the time his team has to react

34:48

and go okay well let's let's see how

34:50

that plays out in media first yeah it's

34:53

almost like Like a clever distraction that

34:55

the media has to kind of

34:57

work its way through and then he

34:59

can just blow it off as like

35:01

oh It was just an interesting AI

35:04

thing that I retweeted or just posted

35:06

and then he can blow it off as

35:08

nothing if the optics on it are

35:11

too squirly There's a kind of

35:13

genius there in a political way

35:15

Yeah, and especially since our

35:17

news cycle attention span is

35:19

five, how long are reels?

35:21

90 seconds? Yeah, about that.

35:24

Yeah. So that's how long

35:26

our attention span is till the

35:28

next reel comes up. Yeah, it's

35:30

a good point. It's wild about that,

35:32

dude. When I watch the, you know,

35:35

the footage or the aftermath

35:37

of like where Gaza is, I

35:39

mean it's destroyed. It's unbelievable.

35:41

like how much destruction there is.

35:44

For one, I didn't even

35:46

realize it was that big to

35:48

have that much stuff destroyed. I

35:50

mean, but now it's just

35:53

this rubble wasteland. It looks like

35:55

post-apocalyptic, like a nuke

35:57

went off type of thing. And you know,

35:59

I... know so little about the

36:01

aggressions there you just always hear

36:04

like the Middle East is all fucked

36:06

up and it's not going to get

36:08

better and there's no answer that's

36:10

about the depth of what I

36:12

understand when it comes to this

36:15

and it's like and then you hear

36:17

him saying and I guess people knew

36:19

this I didn't know that Iran is

36:22

kind of like was pressuring her master

36:24

do all this stuff or supporting them

36:26

to do it That seems like

36:29

a dangerous move for

36:31

Iran. It's bullsey.

36:33

I feel like they're going

36:35

to get fucked up. Yeah,

36:37

what's your take on on

36:39

the chaos over there? Yes,

36:42

Iran. Iran is a

36:44

nation state that has overtly

36:46

or covertly backed, whether

36:49

you want to call it

36:51

town or counterinsurgency or terrorist

36:53

plays. for a long time

36:55

now. That's one thing a

36:58

lot of American, it doesn't

37:00

get trickled down to America,

37:02

right, is that veil of on the

37:04

intelligence side. There is so much going

37:06

on behind the curtain that not only do

37:08

we not understand this happening,

37:10

that we don't understand what

37:12

we don't understand what we

37:14

don't understand what we don't understand.

37:17

Like we don't know what we

37:19

don't understand what we don't understand.

37:21

Like we don't know what we don't

37:23

know what we don't know. There

37:25

are so many things going on

37:28

behind the curtain and that's why

37:30

I get back to Mike, right?

37:32

His opinion is all

37:34

of these factors. It's kind

37:36

of like Jarvis in the

37:39

Marvel movies, right? And when

37:41

Ultron comes in and

37:43

it's all of these factors

37:45

at play and it has

37:47

to come out as a

37:49

coherent speech to where people

37:51

can take that and run

37:54

with it. your CIA background,

37:56

your consulting background, your life

37:58

as a personal. or as a

38:01

celebrity, kind of like a

38:03

celebrity and as a subject

38:05

matter expert. And then he's

38:07

read on two things that

38:09

we, like I said, we

38:12

can't understand and he doesn't

38:14

want can't trip up. So

38:16

everything that he says is

38:18

filtered quite a lot. Now,

38:20

going back to Iran, do

38:22

they back these things? Absolutely.

38:25

Absolutely they do and that's

38:27

I think Mike said the

38:29

best that's that this is

38:31

one way the world works

38:33

right there's a lot of

38:35

shit going on there's everything's

38:38

not all sunshine and rainbows

38:40

there's some bad people doing

38:42

some bad shit to good

38:44

people all over the world

38:46

and hopefully some people or

38:48

nations are starting to be

38:51

fed up with it. He

38:53

said, I never thought I

38:55

would see some of these

38:57

Middle East nations stand up

38:59

and say Hamas has got

39:02

to go, right? He said

39:04

that several times. And this

39:06

guy's seen some shit. Yeah,

39:08

yeah, that's wild. You know,

39:10

I just feel like, you

39:12

know, and we haven't obviously

39:15

been closed politically with Iran

39:17

for a long time, but,

39:19

you know, I mean, clearly

39:21

America's getting involved in some

39:23

way. And we're involved in

39:25

everything. Of course, exactly. Fingers

39:28

are everywhere and all the

39:30

pies. And, you know, even

39:32

if it's just funding Israel

39:34

to fire some rockets over

39:36

and direct, it's just like,

39:38

what are they hoping to

39:41

get out of it? It

39:43

just doesn't seem like there's

39:45

a win there for them.

39:47

The base of it? The

39:49

base, I think, is they

39:52

don't want... airplanes flying into

39:54

skyscrapers on American soil ever

39:56

again. Right, but I'm saying

39:58

Iraq... What's there? Oh, what's

40:00

there? Yeah, they just hate

40:02

us that much. Iran has

40:05

a stated objective and I

40:07

should have looked it up

40:09

before I came on what

40:11

that objective was because he

40:13

didn't say it. But I

40:15

believe what he was alluding

40:18

to is the destruction of

40:20

Israel. Right. It's like that

40:22

important to them. Whether

40:29

or not your religious, right?

40:31

Your beliefs are important to

40:33

you. Right, yeah. Theirs are

40:35

way more important to them.

40:38

Hmm. And that's what they

40:40

believe. Belief will get you

40:42

a long way and people

40:44

will die under torture before

40:46

giving up their beliefs. Sure.

40:49

That's dedication. Yeah, it also

40:51

get you fucked up pretty

40:53

hard by the US military,

40:55

so... You got to be

40:57

careful. You know, what diplomacy

41:00

should always be the first

41:02

first line of defense, second

41:04

line, third line, but as

41:06

soon as diplomacy fails you

41:08

want to lead with it

41:11

right. You said you were

41:13

a bouncer before, right? And

41:15

you always got to be

41:17

poised to make those decisions.

41:19

War is terrible. It exacts

41:22

and... a terrible price on

41:24

both sides. And the people

41:26

that really pay the price

41:28

are the civilian, is the

41:30

civilian population. And yes, you

41:33

go to, you take this

41:35

nation down, but we saw

41:37

what we did in Iraq.

41:39

We toppled the country and

41:41

the civilian population suffered the

41:44

brunt of everything we did

41:46

there. And it turns out

41:48

we were there for bullshit

41:50

reasons. It's a big decision

41:53

to send soldiers off to

41:55

die for their country and

41:57

it's a bigger decision to

41:59

carry all those hundreds of

42:01

thousands or millions of civilian

42:04

lives that you're going to

42:06

take in the process of

42:08

bringing down a country just to

42:10

fit our political fit into

42:12

this political realm. Yeah that's

42:15

that's the hard part for

42:17

me as just a very

42:19

isolated or I guess insulated

42:21

individual that doesn't touch war

42:23

doesn't go near it sees you know

42:25

the closest I ever get I guess is

42:28

talking to people that have been

42:30

there, but other than that it's

42:32

not giving me an idea of

42:35

like how things have to go down.

42:37

It's just tough when you see,

42:39

you know, I have a one-year-old

42:41

daughter and there's footage of

42:44

them like pulling these kids

42:46

from Gaza out of the

42:48

rubble and you know, just the

42:51

destruction and the death. It's

42:53

like, it's just difficult

42:55

to see. It's just difficult to

42:58

see. And the whole thing is like... Would

43:00

you rather not know about it? Dude,

43:02

I'm not going to You

43:17

are no dummy, but you're kind of

43:19

acting like one. You used to crush

43:21

it in school, outsmarting opponents on

43:23

the field, and now, well, you're

43:26

still smart, but not exactly challenging

43:28

yourself. You could be advancing nuclear

43:30

engineering in the world's most powerful

43:32

Navy. You were born for it.

43:34

So make the smart choice. You

43:36

can be smart, or you could

43:38

be nuke smart. Become a nuclear

43:41

engineer at navy.com/nuke smart.

43:43

America's Navy. Forged by the

43:45

sea. too

43:49

confusing. It's like on the one

43:51

hand, I'm like, oh, these people have

43:54

to do something they were attacked. they

43:56

can't find the people they're trying to get

43:58

and then all of a sudden you just when it

44:00

comes to any little kid suffering, it

44:02

just kind of scrambles my brain and

44:05

all my logic and you just think,

44:07

I want that to stop. Like to

44:09

live in a world without that, how

44:11

do we get that? What are we

44:13

doing? Yeah, and once you see it,

44:15

then you know, right? And like, I

44:18

wish I didn't know, but you do

44:20

know, and there's no going back on

44:22

that. Yeah, true. The most, the most

44:24

important thing with any of that knowledge

44:26

is to realize that to realize that.

44:29

You have, you are so blessed

44:31

in what you have and where

44:33

you have it and the situation

44:36

that you're in and you can't

44:38

take anything for granted. Can't even

44:40

take the hot water in your

44:42

house for granted, right? You know,

44:44

just think you get to go

44:46

home and take a hot shower

44:48

at the end of the day.

44:51

That wasn't a thing like 75

44:53

years ago. Right. And some of

44:55

the people in the world never

44:57

had that. So yeah, it's bad.

44:59

Be happy for the situation that

45:01

you're in. be happy that you

45:03

live in the geographical location that

45:06

you do and just kind of

45:08

realize that it's something that is

45:10

out of your control. There's nothing,

45:12

you can talk about it and

45:14

people can listen to you and

45:16

have their opinions and things on

45:18

that, but it's so far out

45:21

of the realm of your control

45:23

that it's kind of say la

45:25

v. It's a terrible way, terrible

45:27

way to look at it, right?

45:29

It's just a hard truth to

45:31

swallow. Ultimately. It just really is.

45:33

What was your take on, you

45:36

know, kind of circling back to

45:38

just these, we talked about Hegg

45:40

Seth and just kind of how

45:42

he's representing things right now. He's

45:44

giving people confidence in that position.

45:46

We have, what's his name, the

45:48

new guy in charge of what,

45:51

the FBI? Yes. Is he also

45:53

in charge of the CIA then?

45:55

Is it like the whole military,

45:57

I mean the intelligence stuff? No.

46:00

CIA is, you know, Federal

46:02

Bureau of Investigation is generally

46:04

inside of the borders of

46:06

the United States and the CIA

46:09

is generally outside. Those are

46:11

two different entities. They have

46:13

different, not to say there

46:15

isn't any crossover and they

46:17

don't work together, but they have

46:19

different heads of leadership and

46:21

they have different mission sets.

46:23

Okay. Does that fall under

46:26

hexeth then? CIA? Ooh, you're

46:28

pushing me here. So

46:30

he's Department of Defense.

46:32

So he's our secretary

46:35

of defense. I don't think

46:37

so. Okay. So because there's

46:40

the DOD has its, oh

46:42

man, I hope I don't

46:44

get torn up on this

46:47

one, eight branches, Army, Marines,

46:49

Air Force, Coast Guard,

46:51

Space Force, the weather

46:53

station and public health

46:55

or the eight branches of

46:58

the military. Okay, jeopardy jeopardy question

47:00

for the yeah, yeah, it was

47:02

good. Well done. No, no, national

47:05

oceanographic, something administration is the branch

47:07

of the military. Okay, so they

47:09

don't encompass really any of what we

47:12

traditionally know is like the intelligence agencies

47:14

then. So the NSA is not part

47:16

of them. I don't want to speak

47:18

out of turn. That's okay. We don't

47:21

need to know, but it was just

47:23

interesting that he brought up the CIA

47:25

director under Obama and a quote from

47:27

him saying that we don't

47:30

steal secrets, right? And it just

47:32

seems to be not that Hexath

47:34

or Patel or any of these

47:37

people are maybe going to talk

47:39

about how we lie and we

47:41

steal and I just feel like

47:43

they're more real. Like that clearly

47:46

is a massive lie that is

47:48

nonsense. The CIA is up to

47:50

all kinds of shady shit and

47:52

it probably has to be has to

47:55

be has to be. to keep us

47:57

safe. For Mike to just laugh

47:59

at that. as he did, say

48:01

what the, he's in a much

48:03

better position to say, that's the

48:05

biggest pile of shit I've ever

48:08

heard in my life, of course,

48:10

for stealing secrets. That's what intelligence

48:12

agencies around the world do. You

48:14

know, you're setting up assets and

48:17

you're working them and trying to

48:19

influence them and get the things

48:21

that they know back to the

48:24

people that you know. And it's

48:26

this, like I said, this dance.

48:28

And yeah, we're absolutely, I mean,

48:30

we had the whole. generations of

48:33

war about it. You know, yeah,

48:35

yeah. And you know, all of

48:37

this kind of, so you've got

48:39

the CIA lying about this, you've

48:42

got money just flooding over to

48:44

the Ukraine, which really was always

48:46

traditionally known as a very corrupt

48:49

country. And then there's this new

48:51

narrative that was like, oh no,

48:53

Zelenski's, you know, sorted the corruption

48:55

out. Yeah, like that shit can

48:58

happen overnight. That would take more

49:00

than a doge. effort to sort

49:02

out, and then we send them

49:04

billions of dollars and it's like,

49:07

how are we going to order

49:09

it through that? Is those going

49:11

to do this? I think there's

49:14

going to be a shit load

49:16

of fraud and corruption going on

49:18

in that direction. I wouldn't say

49:20

every time, but any time you're

49:23

sending large amounts of money overseas

49:25

into a foreign government that you

49:27

don't have control on. yes there's

49:29

possibility that that money is not

49:32

going where you think it's going

49:34

or maybe you know exactly where

49:36

it's going you know they're gonna

49:38

it's fraud on their side but

49:41

you're sending it to a legitimate

49:43

for a legitimate reason and then

49:45

they're gonna do whatever they want

49:48

maybe you're buying you know political

49:50

interests you're you're buying favors or

49:52

things down the road 32 years

49:54

ago I believe the Ukraine was

49:57

known as the United Soviet Socialist

49:59

Republic right oh So it was

50:01

part of the USSR and before

50:03

93, right? So. All those people

50:06

that are still alive, it's not

50:08

that long ago. No. So it's

50:10

to say that there might be

50:13

some lingering corruption, absolutely, there may

50:15

be. There might be a lot

50:17

of it. Are we sending money

50:19

over there to support our interests

50:22

in the region? Yeah, we did

50:24

it. What? Have you read the

50:26

book, Charlie Wilson's War? When

50:29

the Afghans were in, we supported

50:31

the Mujahideen Afghans in Afghanistan,

50:33

late 80s, early 90s, against the

50:36

Russians, we just dumped tons and

50:38

tons and tons of money. Oh,

50:40

that's right. Rambo 3. Exactly. Zabigu.

50:43

We just keep repeating, we're

50:45

just doing what we've done before.

50:47

It's just because now we're in

50:50

an age of such an

50:52

overarching media presence that it's televised

50:54

like it is. We've done this

50:56

before. Yeah. Should we do,

50:58

you know, in Vietnam, and then

51:01

we got sucked in for

51:03

13 years there. So, or 12

51:05

years, but it's something we've always

51:08

done. And it goes back

51:10

to where are influencing other foreign

51:12

entities to get what we want

51:14

and to further the political

51:16

goals and position of the United

51:19

States of America and our allies.

51:21

And you know something that

51:23

comes up for me when I

51:26

hear about this too is

51:28

it's not even just like what

51:30

the corruption is that's happening in

51:32

in Ukraine and you know

51:34

my kid on it saying that

51:37

Tucker was out there and they

51:39

went to this like fancy

51:41

area resort thing and there's a

51:44

bunch of super rich Ukrainians and

51:46

his suspicion is this is

51:48

where some of the money is

51:50

going. But the bigger thing is

51:53

who's sending the money is sending

51:55

the money. knowing that it's not

51:58

really being looked at and

52:00

it's like other lot of people

52:02

on our side of the of

52:04

the border that are in

52:06

you know they're US and they're

52:09

somehow getting a bunch of kickbacks

52:11

and money and maybe this shit's

52:14

been going on forever too. I

52:16

have nothing to back this

52:18

up or support it. It's just

52:21

a suspicion. People are always looking

52:23

for money. people are always

52:25

looking for money or what's in

52:27

it for me. And as I

52:30

said earlier, nobody does anything

52:32

unless they have to or want

52:34

to. So politicians are serving

52:36

because they want to serve the

52:39

American people. Can their allegiances be

52:41

swayed? Absolutely, they're people, right?

52:43

That's we're, unfortunately, that some of

52:45

our traits as people can kind

52:48

of bend their morals or

52:50

what they believe. a certain direction

52:52

over time or by influence. The

52:55

longer you have a standing

52:57

relationship with somebody, the more you're

52:59

inclined to see their point of

53:01

view, right? I'm not saying there's

53:04

no corruption. I hope as somebody

53:06

who serves this country for

53:08

the time that I did, that

53:11

is not the case, but I

53:13

also realize that people are

53:15

people and they can make a

53:17

decision that benefits them every once

53:20

in a while. But you know,

53:22

$100 billion is a lot of

53:25

money. It's a lot of

53:27

money. That's a lot of money.

53:29

There's some, I mean, that would

53:31

make people do horrible, horrible

53:33

things, I think, to get a

53:36

whole of it. You're no dummy,

53:38

but you're kind of acting

53:40

like one. You used to crush

53:43

it in school, outsmarting opponents on

53:45

the field, and now, well, you're

53:47

still smart, but not exactly challenging

53:50

yourself. You could be advancing

53:52

nuclear engineering in the world's most

53:54

powerful navy. You were born for

53:57

it. So make the smart

53:59

choice. You can be smart or

54:01

you can be nuke smart, become

54:03

a nuclear engineer at

54:05

navy.com/nuke smart. America's Navy,

54:07

forged by the sea. Oh,

54:10

you've watched crime documentaries. You've seen

54:12

people stab for $5 in their

54:14

pocket. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You wouldn't,

54:16

you know, if you're a bad

54:18

guy. Yeah, I'll nuke a town

54:21

of civilians for a billion dollars,

54:23

absolutely. Yeah, like you can, I

54:25

couldn't put that past somebody. So

54:28

I think it's surprising. A

54:30

terrifyingly surprising amount of people

54:32

would do that. That's just too much.

54:35

Too much money and power. It would make

54:37

you go. It would make your morals

54:39

go blind. I believe... Door Peterson

54:42

said it best when he talks about

54:44

when people say what would they have

54:46

done during Nazi Germany? Oh, they would

54:48

have been the good guy. And he

54:50

goes, no, you wouldn't have. You would

54:53

have gone along with the crowd.

54:55

just like Germany did, just like

54:57

the rest of the civilians did.

54:59

You wouldn't have done anything. Everyone

55:01

likes to think of themselves as

55:03

this righteous being what were just

55:05

people. And we unfortunately want to

55:07

fit in and it's very difficult

55:09

to stand up and do the

55:11

right thing a lot of times. Yeah. I

55:14

mean a similar thing was happening during

55:16

COVID I think. Very few people

55:18

were standing up against it for very

55:20

long and it was just... You know,

55:23

we're all busy. We're all tired.

55:25

We're all just trying to get

55:27

by and a lot of us

55:29

are just not looking for

55:31

problems. So I get it. But

55:34

you know, you also see a lot

55:36

of character too. You do.

55:38

But then there's so many filters of

55:40

people's perspective on the COVID thing,

55:42

right? You know, somebody posted on

55:44

my Facebook, how is it out

55:46

by everybody? And this was person

55:48

from overseas and everybody from all

55:50

over the world put in how

55:52

it was by them. And I

55:54

said, oh, here in Wisconsin, we

55:56

never heard of COVID. But when

55:58

I was doing some her... came relief down

56:01

in North Carolina recently. I was

56:03

talking to a medic down there

56:05

that was in a city center

56:07

right when COVID started breaking out

56:09

in town and he said they

56:11

were 60 calls negative on their

56:13

roster. So every time that they

56:16

would clear up a call, they

56:18

would call and they were all

56:20

for COVID. And the way he

56:22

described it, he's like, it was

56:24

like never, nothing he'd ever seen.

56:26

And he'd been in natural disasters

56:28

and, and seeing horrible things. And

56:31

he said when the outbreak of

56:33

COVID in the city, he said

56:35

it was unbelievable. So you got

56:37

the extreme end of the perception

56:39

there of the person actually in

56:41

it. And then you get out

56:43

to the country and that person

56:46

has no idea what this person

56:48

knows. And that's like America, right?

56:50

Yeah. You got this huge division

56:52

of perspectives. And it's. How do

56:54

you get people to see from

56:56

the same lens? You really can't.

56:58

Yeah, that's not easy. I mean,

57:01

especially because across the board, they've

57:03

got to come up with some

57:05

plan. They can't be like, all

57:07

right, if you're in the country,

57:09

you don't have to worry about

57:11

it, but if you're in the

57:13

city, it's this. They're like, this

57:16

is the rules. Everyone trying to

57:18

follow on. And if you're on

57:20

the different ends of those spectrums,

57:22

it's going to be much harder

57:24

to make sense of it. Well

57:26

people in cities making decisions for

57:28

people that live in the country

57:31

those are that's going to be

57:33

a clashing Yeah, that's a bad

57:35

move. That's a bad move for

57:37

sure last thing I want to

57:39

hit on probably the biggest kind

57:41

of conspiracy ask part of the

57:43

Podcast and of course Rogan had

57:46

to hit it up recently they

57:48

declassified some of the RFK files

57:50

which is something Trump said he

57:52

would do of us, no, not

57:54

JFK, I mean, RFK, RFK, is

57:56

clearly pushing for it and Trump

57:58

honored this. So now we have

58:01

these new JFK files, I don't

58:03

think they've been released for everyone

58:05

to look at yet, but it's

58:07

like they're getting there. Mike doesn't

58:09

really think they're going to have

58:11

a lot in. Joe's kind of

58:13

in the same boat, begs the

58:16

question why keep them hidden anyway,

58:18

if it's like barely anything? You

58:20

know, what are your thoughts on

58:22

that type of stuff? Like when

58:24

it comes to like redacted, you

58:26

know, covert stuff, and then they

58:28

would release it? It's like... Do

58:31

we ever get the whole story?

58:33

You will never get the whole

58:35

story because I never get it,

58:37

right? So Mike said on a

58:39

previous episode, Bogan said, well, what

58:41

if it's true? And Mike said,

58:43

well, I'm going to have to

58:46

rethink my life in that case.

58:48

I remember that. He has dedicated

58:50

a significant portion of his life

58:52

to this idea that the United

58:54

States is a certain way. And

58:56

if things turn out to be

58:58

different, then he's going to have

59:01

to rethink his life. That's where

59:03

I think Mike's opinion is. He's

59:05

like, it better not be fucking

59:07

true. You know, it would be

59:09

quite the blow, quite the blow

59:11

to the CIA. I know why

59:13

I would hold on to something

59:16

like that, that people really want

59:18

to see. to offset bad press.

59:20

If they're just holding it as

59:22

a distraction, possibly it's one way

59:24

of that, they could just say,

59:26

you know, bad shit's gonna come

59:28

out, that's not gonna go our

59:31

way, but we can mitigate it

59:33

if we just. have these in

59:35

the chamber. We got aliens, we

59:37

got dinosaurs are still alive, we

59:39

got, you know, the JFK files,

59:41

what other, what other, you know,

59:43

conspiracy could we go out there

59:46

and quash if bad news? That's

59:48

just me thinking of how to

59:50

mitigate bad things that happen. But,

59:52

or there's something in there that's

59:54

detrimental to the United States government

59:56

in its position. Yeah. I mean,

59:58

part of me... is like, well,

1:00:01

they just wanted to wait for

1:00:03

the potential of the people that

1:00:05

were involved to be dead, which

1:00:07

they are now, I'm sure. So

1:00:09

kind of covers that. And second

1:00:11

to that, if it was that

1:00:13

damning to this CIA, I mean,

1:00:15

can they stop the release of

1:00:18

things once they get declassified?

1:00:20

It's not really them that

1:00:22

chooses, right? It's like the

1:00:24

freedom of information act

1:00:26

and then plus, I don't know.

1:00:28

presidential executive orders. Like, do they

1:00:30

still get to pick and choose

1:00:33

what goes out? Whoever is in charge

1:00:35

could pick and choose. Like Trump said,

1:00:37

he only has a classification, you

1:00:39

know, security clearance up to a

1:00:42

certain amount to say a certain

1:00:44

things. Once you're read onto a

1:00:46

program, just because you know it

1:00:49

doesn't mean you can divulge those

1:00:51

things until it's deemed declassified. And

1:00:53

when you hear somebody say top-secret

1:00:55

clearance, there's many levels to that.

1:00:58

that clearance that go up down

1:01:00

the road. So what stands out

1:01:02

to me, okay, why would they

1:01:04

not release it? Okay, maybe

1:01:07

nobody in there is affected,

1:01:09

right, that's still alive.

1:01:11

But what is the

1:01:14

second and third order

1:01:16

of effects of releasing

1:01:18

that information? Does that

1:01:20

lead to this incident

1:01:22

that happened? Or does that

1:01:24

have breadcrum trails that lead

1:01:26

to something else that happening

1:01:28

that we don't want to

1:01:30

divulge those secrets. That's a

1:01:32

good point. That's still something

1:01:34

that could be active. So

1:01:36

under everything there's a trillion

1:01:39

other actions that happened as

1:01:41

a result of that. And I

1:01:43

used 9-11 a lot. 9-11 was

1:01:45

a nexus event that bifurcated history,

1:01:48

right? Everything changed. Yeah, everything. And

1:01:50

back in November 11th,

1:01:52

1963, when JFK was

1:01:54

killed, that was a

1:01:56

major event. I mean,

1:01:58

that was. it was it,

1:02:00

right? Everything changed. The president changes.

1:02:03

That's international news. That's another nexus

1:02:05

event. And there could be stuff

1:02:07

in there that led to other

1:02:09

things that nobody's proud of. Yeah,

1:02:12

that's a really good point. And

1:02:14

that's kind of what I'm worried

1:02:16

about is like, we finally get

1:02:18

this information that, you know, the

1:02:20

conspiracy theorists and the nosy historians

1:02:23

just can't wait to gobble up.

1:02:25

And instead of answering some of

1:02:27

the questions, it creates a thousand

1:02:29

more. And I've just got a

1:02:32

feeling that's what it's going to

1:02:34

do. Somehow. There's always, there's always

1:02:36

more, there's always more information. You

1:02:38

never know everything. You can't know

1:02:41

everything. Yeah. You can't. But Joe,

1:02:43

Joe brought up something interesting and

1:02:45

I can't remember Evan talking about

1:02:47

it, but Evan Hiffer from Black

1:02:49

Rifle Coffee. His theory for the

1:02:52

JFK assassination, possibly. is the guys

1:02:54

that, what was it, they didn't

1:02:56

get air support or something during

1:02:58

the Bay of Pigs? There we

1:03:01

go. Now, as a, you know,

1:03:03

former operator, could you get pissed

1:03:05

off enough if you got stranded

1:03:07

or hung out the dry or

1:03:09

whatever to have your like team

1:03:12

of, you know, dare I say,

1:03:14

professional assassins in a sense? Get

1:03:16

so mad that you come back

1:03:18

and kind of Jason born some

1:03:21

stuff because it doesn't seem to

1:03:23

happen very often and I just

1:03:25

kind of feel like I'm surprised

1:03:27

it doesn't happen more often Modern

1:03:29

times something like that becomes much

1:03:32

much more difficult to accomplish the

1:03:34

further you go back in history

1:03:36

and the less technology that is

1:03:38

attached to the way we conduct

1:03:41

all of our lives. Yes, that

1:03:43

becomes more and more. plausible because

1:03:45

now there's no cell phones, there's

1:03:47

no tracking, there's no GPS, there's

1:03:50

no, you don't have the ability

1:03:52

to have surveillance on somebody from

1:03:54

a satellite dish like you do

1:03:56

now. And you see who's meeting

1:03:58

up with who and whose IP

1:04:01

addresses are linked up with, there's

1:04:03

this digital web now that the

1:04:05

government spends a tremendous amount of

1:04:07

money to make sure bad things

1:04:10

don't happen here, whether they're illegally

1:04:12

spying on US citizens or not.

1:04:14

they want to make sure that

1:04:16

there's no terrorist attack or anything

1:04:18

similar like that. The farther you

1:04:21

go back in history, the easier

1:04:23

that becomes. Are you asking me,

1:04:25

could somebody become mad enough to

1:04:27

kill the president? Well, I mean,

1:04:30

it's happened in history many times

1:04:32

before. Just recently, almost. Yeah. And

1:04:34

it has happened successfully in the

1:04:36

past. And thank God that guy

1:04:38

was a complete dork and can't

1:04:41

shoot for shit and chose the

1:04:43

wrong. What was it sites? He

1:04:45

had an eye on sight. He

1:04:47

didn't even have like a proper

1:04:50

good gun. Also, I know nothing

1:04:52

about guns, so don't even ask

1:04:54

me about that. All I'll say

1:04:56

is that is luckily he went

1:04:59

for the movie shot of in

1:05:01

the movies, you always shoot somebody

1:05:03

in the head, right? Yeah. In

1:05:05

reality, you shoot him center mass.

1:05:07

And they go down because you

1:05:10

have a, you, if you, you,

1:05:12

you're aiming for the center of

1:05:14

their body, you have six, eight

1:05:16

inches, every direction. of kill shot

1:05:19

to where they're going to go

1:05:21

down. If you go for the

1:05:23

head, if you miss a little

1:05:25

bit, you're going to miss in

1:05:27

that environment. So luckily, he wasn't

1:05:30

cognizant of that point that you

1:05:32

don't shoot for a small target

1:05:34

at a when you know you're

1:05:36

only going to have a second

1:05:39

to get a round off. So

1:05:41

yeah. And talk about those moments

1:05:43

in history like you pointed to

1:05:45

9-11 JFK assassination. these huge turning

1:05:47

points things were kind of never

1:05:50

the same again you could basically

1:05:52

say that for that Trump assassination

1:05:54

attempt that didn't happen. Right. Yeah,

1:05:56

but with kind of equal results,

1:05:59

like things change forever. As soon

1:06:01

as I saw that show on

1:06:03

the TV, I was like, oh

1:06:05

my God, he's 100% going to

1:06:08

win this. Like there was just

1:06:10

no doubt in my mind from

1:06:12

that moment on. He's pumping his

1:06:14

fist. People kind of downplayed that

1:06:16

to be like, oh, we just

1:06:19

used it as a photo. I'm

1:06:21

like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You have

1:06:23

no idea how badly you'd be

1:06:25

shit in your pants if something

1:06:28

like that happened. Like, I would

1:06:30

be crying and I wouldn't get

1:06:32

up. And I'm not, I'm not

1:06:34

too proud to admit that. I

1:06:36

would be terrified. He just stood

1:06:39

up did that. That's some brave

1:06:41

shit right there. That's some resolve,

1:06:43

right? He's yeah, you know, he

1:06:45

just does what he wants. He

1:06:48

says what he wants when he

1:06:50

wants He said he was going

1:06:52

to become president. He did After

1:06:54

that happened. I said I said

1:06:56

well that bullet didn't kill Trump,

1:06:59

but it definitely killed Biden Yeah,

1:07:01

that's it. It was over and

1:07:03

or whoever ran against him which

1:07:05

you know was Kamala. I mean

1:07:08

Anyway Mike Baker Legend, glad he

1:07:10

was on, love to have him

1:07:12

on. I think he comes on

1:07:14

kind of like every quarter, just

1:07:17

to kind of clean up the

1:07:19

news. About every hundred or something

1:07:21

like that. Is it like that?

1:07:23

Yeah. And I think it's a

1:07:25

good little recap just to kind

1:07:28

of put in order like all

1:07:30

the stories we've been told, the

1:07:32

things of the news. It's a

1:07:34

nice perspective that I can kind

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of add into my, all right,

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what the fuck is going on

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in the world stuff. And it's

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just a bit of a breath

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of fresh air. And sometimes I-

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And sometimes I- And his approach

1:07:50

too. Yeah, yeah. And often I

1:07:52

leave his episodes, you know, a

1:07:54

little kind of, like I need

1:07:57

a beer, because it's a bit

1:07:59

of a shock. But

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it's good to have him on. And a

1:08:03

pleasure to have you on, Nick, for this episode. I

1:08:06

think we're gonna do more of these. And

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I appreciate you having me on. There's

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always some military guys coming on.

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There's FBI talk, CIA

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talk. I think

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you're hopefully gonna be our guy for

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a bit of that intel. And

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we appreciate you today. Yeah,

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I would love to have, I'd love to come on and

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talk to you tomorrow. I really enjoyed this. I don't

1:08:30

think we touched on it in the beginning, but

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I guess my qualifications

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or background in this, I was a Green

1:08:37

Beret with First Special Forces Group. Got

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medically retired in 2018. So just

1:08:42

want everybody to know, I

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don't claim to know everything. And

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if I said something incorrectly, my

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mind can be changed. I'm

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not closed off. So pointed out

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and I will make a

1:08:55

correction in my way of retaining

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information. So, love it. All right, thank

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you, Nick. And thanks everyone for listening. We

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really appreciate you. And we will talk to

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you next week.