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1:38

Welcome back to during the podcast. We

1:40

are joined by Jordan. Say there once

1:42

again, we had him on in the

1:44

early days when we had no clue

1:47

what we were doing. And I'm proud

1:49

to say we still have no idea

1:51

what we're doing. But anybody on the

1:53

internet has really an idea of what

1:56

they're doing. But, you know, step

1:58

at a time. Yeah, it's very

2:00

true. So

2:02

we had Jordan on

2:05

a while back and we

2:07

just finished up. SSP month and

2:09

the whole SSP idea kind of

2:11

came from William Tompkins. He was

2:14

a big part of my awakening

2:16

and Jordan just happens to be the

2:18

very, the last person

2:21

to interview him before he passed in

2:23

2017. So we thought it'd be cool

2:25

to get him on and kind of

2:27

dive deep into some of Tompkins testimony

2:29

and hear from Jordan and get his

2:32

perspective on all this and tie this

2:34

SSP information into current disclosure and Just

2:37

even some current events. So welcome back

2:39

Jordan. How's it going? Appreciate

2:41

you guys have me on have me on again

2:43

Yeah, it was in the very early days of

2:46

you guys first starting your podcast that you had

2:48

me on and it's awesome to see you guys

2:50

grow your YouTube channels Coming

2:52

along you're gaining subscribers. You're up to

2:55

episode like what? No,

2:58

no shit 110 110 yeah,

3:00

cool. Yeah, you guys are

3:02

trucking along being consistent. That's

3:05

good So absolutely, I'm

3:07

down to talk about

3:09

the secret space program

3:11

UFOs. It'll be good to

3:14

talk about some stuff that's not so

3:16

like heavily political. I miss

3:18

those subjects, you know, with how crazy things

3:20

have been lately. I think all of our

3:22

focus has been on more 3D earthly

3:25

type stuff, but

3:27

wherever you guys want to take

3:29

the conversation, cosmically, I'm down. Well,

3:31

I think honestly, I think that's the

3:33

one thing that might have saved our

3:35

channel is because we we steer more

3:38

towards this type of information and we're

3:40

not so political, even though we tie

3:42

it together. I mean, we are also,

3:44

but but we're not just strictly. The

3:46

aliens keep you safe. Yes. Yes.

3:49

Getting censored. I thought about that, too.

3:51

I'm like, what if I just make

3:53

like a YouTube channel now and only

3:55

talk about. There's something

3:57

like that seems like they let all that content stay

3:59

up, but yeah, everything else they take

4:01

down. I don't know but yeah,

4:04

so so let's go let's

4:06

go back to Your interview with William

4:08

Tompkins which guys by the way, I

4:10

will have that interview Linked in the

4:12

description below if you guys haven't seen

4:15

it yet. Yeah, it's I'll send you

4:17

the I think it's on bit shoot

4:19

and maybe I'll just throw it up

4:21

on rumble Uh, so

4:23

you can link it or something like that.

4:26

But, you know, YouTube took me down Twitter,

4:28

Facebook, all big tech a couple of months

4:30

ago. So I had to migrate pretty much

4:32

to every whatever alternative platform would

4:35

let me on. And, uh,

4:37

I do have that, the full

4:39

interview with Tompkins on bit shoot.

4:42

So I'll check that out.

4:44

But yeah, William, I

4:47

mean, we all miss him. He passed

4:49

away in August of 2017. For

4:52

those who might not be so

4:54

familiar with with his story And

4:56

uh, it was quite an honor

4:58

to be the last person to

5:00

sit down with him to be

5:02

able to In front of a

5:04

camera and get him to Talk

5:07

about some things that maybe he didn't

5:09

have the opportunity to open up about

5:11

really With previous interviews because you know if

5:13

you're gonna sit down with a 94

5:15

year old gentleman who's had

5:17

this long history of experiencing

5:19

and witnessing so many Crazy

5:22

awesome things and then having all

5:24

this information People don't

5:26

want to ask him just so many questions

5:29

and and whatnot, but I just wanted to

5:31

sit there Cut up for as long

5:33

as I could and let him just go

5:35

and it was great to

5:38

Sit there. I kind of did exactly

5:40

that. He just rambled on and on and

5:42

on So many different things and

5:45

you know, William Tompkins story

5:47

is it pieces together so

5:49

many difference Subjects

5:52

in terms of the

5:54

UFO sub subject or

5:56

topic in terms of

5:59

uvapology Yeah, talk We

6:01

can just go through a quick background on

6:03

who he is and what he did. Yeah,

6:06

he came forward Really

6:08

late in his life. I mean

6:10

he was 80 years old before

6:12

he started even thinking about putting

6:14

his testimony out there and it

6:17

wasn't until I think 2015 where

6:20

William Tompkins were Dr.

6:22

Bob Wood who has

6:25

been through the ufology

6:27

community and uh you

6:29

know had understood sort of

6:31

what that environment was like

6:33

he helped William Tompkins get

6:35

his autobiography out onto

6:37

the internet now

6:40

and that's where we

6:42

really started learning was

6:45

involved in I wouldn't say he

6:47

was the Start of the idea

6:49

of a secret space program by

6:51

all means but when he came

6:54

out in 2015 Tompkins did it

6:56

again at peace together so many so

6:58

many different things so Tompkins story begins

7:00

all the way back in the When

7:02

he was in high school, which would have

7:04

been in the 19 gosh 30s

7:07

late 30s early 1940s

7:09

and he was

7:12

a very

7:14

good model builder. He was

7:16

incredible at just taking wood

7:18

and whittling it away and

7:20

creating these very elaborate models.

7:23

And what Tompkins would do

7:25

when he was a teenager,

7:28

when he was a young boy, basically, is that either

7:30

his dad or his uncle would take

7:32

William Tompkins and his brother, the

7:35

Navy in Long

7:38

Beach. He lived in Southern California when he was a

7:40

young boy. and he would tour

7:42

a lot of the Navy warships. They

7:44

didn't allow cameras and with

7:46

his incredible memory that he

7:48

had, it's basically a photographic

7:51

memory. He would memorize the

7:53

distances between all the placements and how

7:55

it all looked and everything that were

7:57

on these warships. And he would take

7:59

that back and etch his little models.

8:02

And his models were so damn

8:05

good that they were displayed on

8:07

a shop on Hollywood Boulevard. And

8:10

they were also so damn good

8:12

because was it creating these models

8:14

that they had classified systems on

8:17

them placements and

8:19

where the radars were located and

8:21

different things that were supposed to

8:23

be classified. So one day in

8:25

like 1941 or 42, I think

8:28

it was some Navy intelligence officers

8:30

were walking down Hollywood Boulevard

8:32

there and they saw

8:34

these models in the

8:36

window of a store and they

8:38

know. There were things

8:40

on there that the public wasn't supposed

8:43

to know about. So they

8:45

ended up looking into who they found

8:47

it was William Tompkins. They interrogated Tompkins

8:49

dad to make sure he wasn't adjourned.

8:52

And lo and behold,

8:55

it was just young William Tompkins

8:57

having such an extraordinary design capability.

8:59

And that's why these models were so

9:01

cool. Anyway, the Navy, they kept their

9:04

eye on Tompkins for a few years

9:06

and essentially sort of into

9:08

Navy service. So when William

9:11

Tompkins graduated, he went into

9:13

the Navy and after going

9:15

into the Navy, he

9:17

was brought into basically some

9:20

special projects. He worked

9:22

with some captains and admirals,

9:24

very high level people he

9:26

worked with, even though he

9:28

was a pretty lower

9:31

level enlisted

9:33

seaman in the Navy. He

9:37

just did some pretty incredible things.

9:39

Now also in the 40s, he

9:41

witnessed the Angeles UFO event that

9:43

took place in February 1942

9:46

in Long Beach. And this

9:48

was an event where essentially

9:50

a big craft came in

9:52

itself over Los Angeles. And

9:56

it didn't do

9:58

anything. It just kind of hovered there,

10:01

but due to the... attack

10:03

on Pearl Harbor, which was just a

10:05

few months before this, a lot

10:07

of the people in Long Beach

10:09

were incredibly nervous. They didn't know what

10:12

the heck was in the sky. So

10:14

they started launching some anti -aircraft artillery

10:16

fire at it. You can Google this

10:18

story and find a lot of different,

10:21

a lot of different stories of this incident.

10:23

Some of the stories will be more

10:26

mainstream, just calling it a, I don't

10:28

know, probably a weather balloon or dirigible or something

10:30

like that. But the cool thing. is

10:32

that he was a personal eyewitness to

10:34

this. So we get a

10:37

different story than the newspapers will

10:39

tell us about it. And

10:41

according to Tom, a

10:44

non -terrestrial and non -earth vehicle

10:46

that came and parked it. And,

10:49

you know, it's just an incredible

10:52

event that happened. Did he not

10:54

say that he saw multiple crafts,

10:56

like a whole bunch? During that,

10:59

or am I thinking? Yeah, so

11:01

apparently, and this

11:04

was too many other

11:06

places or really any other places, but according

11:08

to Tompkins, it wasn't just one craft. But

11:10

yeah, there was a few different

11:12

ones. There were only about 10 ,000 feet

11:14

in altitude. And then from

11:17

this, from this larger craft

11:19

came out other platforms

11:21

that sort of flew around.

11:23

And then Tompkins in his

11:25

book wrote that. Two

11:28

of these craft were actually shot

11:30

down by the anti -aircraft

11:32

artillery fire. One

11:34

of them apparently was recovered by the, and

11:37

the other one was recovered by

11:39

the army. Now, mind you, this

11:42

was before Roswell. So, Roswell was

11:44

not the first recovered craft by

11:46

the United States military. There's been

11:48

others, and the battle of LA

11:51

may very well have been another one of those

11:53

craft. Apparently the army

11:55

took theirs to write Patterson Air Force Base,

11:57

same Air Force Base that the Roswell crash

11:59

got taken to. And then I think the

12:02

other one was taken by the Navy

12:04

to maybe China Lake. I can't remember

12:06

exactly what, uh, Tompkins

12:08

claimed, but pretty

12:10

incredible to hear him,

12:12

I witnessed those things and then his

12:15

testimony of such. Yeah. So

12:17

that was in 1942. Tompkins,

12:19

you know, and then entered the

12:21

Navy and. For four

12:24

years, he worked with Naval Intelligence,

12:26

debriefing Navy

12:29

spies that were in Germany

12:31

during World War II. And

12:34

these Navy spies were embedded

12:36

in Germany, looking for

12:38

secret aerospace research, not

12:41

just aircraft, but whatever

12:44

secret spacecraft the

12:46

Germans might have been working on. More

12:48

specifically, the Nazis and

12:50

then these other secret societies as

12:52

well, such as the Vrel society

12:54

and others that were, uh, coordinating

12:57

on this research and development in

12:59

Germany. Tompkins job was

13:01

to help debrief with

13:04

the admiral and the captains that were above

13:06

him and then take that

13:08

research, take the information

13:10

and disseminate it to different

13:12

laboratories and research institutes around

13:15

the U S and apparently

13:17

he did this for a

13:19

couple of years. So he

13:21

was instrumental in a lot

13:23

of the very early Black

13:25

project development from the,

13:29

shall we say, military

13:31

industrial complex around

13:34

the 1940s.

13:37

And I don't mean military industrial

13:39

complex in a negative way, but

13:41

just the whole outfit of beginning

13:43

a lot of these projects from the institutes

13:46

from the colleges and universities from the

13:49

research laboratories. And

13:51

Tompkins was helping a lot

13:53

of that get going. So he worked for the

13:55

Navy for four years in the 40s. And then

13:57

after that, in the 1950s,

14:00

60s and 70s, he went through a long

14:02

history working through a lot with a lot

14:04

of defense contractors. He worked

14:06

at Douglas aircraft for

14:09

12 years in a secret think

14:11

tank called advanced design. And

14:13

in that think tank, he

14:16

was designing a lot of

14:18

secret craft. He was designing

14:20

secret, uh, you know, he's working in

14:22

a black project, designing essentially spacecraft. And

14:25

maybe if any of these spacecraft

14:28

are in or have

14:30

been in operation, Tompkins might have very

14:32

well been the person to help with

14:34

a lot of the initial designs. So.

14:38

Do you really quick just do

14:40

you remember him saying that, you

14:42

know, whenever he was dispersing this

14:44

information, these documents that they were

14:46

getting from the spies, he said

14:48

that these were like above

14:50

top secret level documents, but they weren't

14:53

labeled top secret in case there was

14:55

like a car wreck or a wreck.

14:58

So if the file anything happened

15:00

to the files, it would just

15:02

seem like an ordinary file. They

15:04

weren't he said. top secret documents

15:06

aren't labeled top secret. Yeah, the

15:08

most top secret stuff they would

15:11

write and make in a way and it

15:13

just makes sense. I mean, if you want to

15:15

keep something super duper secret, you

15:17

write it and package it in

15:19

a way that it looks

15:21

totally benign to an unsuspecting

15:23

eye. So make sense that he would do

15:26

that. He also

15:28

said that a lot

15:30

of the information that the Navy spies

15:32

were bringing over from Germany, it

15:35

was hardly even intelligible because

15:37

some of it were inscriptions

15:39

in like hieroglyphics and would

15:41

look to be other sorts

15:43

of languages or other sorts

15:45

of symbols. And it didn't

15:47

even look like something and

15:49

would even have an understanding of

15:51

what it was. So

15:53

yeah, pretty interesting.

15:56

And the thing about a lot of Tompkins testimony, is

15:59

that in trying to piece it together, um,

16:02

it, well, number one, he had

16:05

quite an incredible recollection for a

16:07

man in his nineties talking to

16:10

him or him. I mean,

16:12

he was, he was sharp. He had

16:14

a sense of humor and it really

16:16

made, uh, it

16:19

really gave it a sense of credibility. He's

16:22

able to recollect certain things. So

16:25

it really made you think like, wow,

16:27

telling the truth. And

16:29

also you think about a

16:31

man in William Tompkins situation. He

16:34

didn't have anything to lose and

16:36

he didn't have anything. So

16:39

you think if a man's

16:41

coming out with this kind of information, what's

16:45

what's in it for him? And there

16:47

was really nothing in it for him

16:49

except getting the getting his truth, his

16:52

testimony out there. So it's really

16:54

fascinating, you know, when it

16:56

comes to ufology. There's

16:59

so much weird shit

17:01

in the in the

17:03

ufology I guess community UFO

17:05

community honestly a lot of

17:07

it I think is And

17:09

probably BS but

17:11

Tompkins when it comes to him

17:13

I take a lot of it with

17:16

more seriousness than I take other people's

17:18

stories and testimonies and You

17:20

know, there's a lot of reasons. There's a lot of

17:22

core corroboration. He brought quite Drafts

17:25

and even some signed documents from

17:27

the Admiral he used to work

17:29

work for so he had

17:32

He had evidence

17:34

and he things

17:36

that would you know, corroborate what he was

17:38

saying? Anyway,

17:41

he just had

17:43

this fascinating story

17:45

of In his youth and going

17:47

to work for the Navy then

17:49

going to work for these different

17:52

think tanks and defense contractors for

17:54

many decades into this

17:56

life, um, coming

17:59

forward with this story. And according

18:01

to Tompkins, he still had some

18:04

certain Navy contacts toward the end

18:06

of his life. And I don't

18:08

know about the veracity of these

18:11

claims, but he said Tompkins said

18:13

that he was even urged or,

18:16

you know, influenced

18:18

to come out and

18:20

start telling his stories. So. Why

18:23

I always wonder if that was

18:26

even true, you know, was Tompkins

18:28

actually by maybe

18:30

retired Navy officers

18:32

or probably not

18:34

active duty, but maybe active

18:36

duty even officers was it for

18:39

for some reason or another

18:41

with this story? Yeah, that's

18:44

interesting because yeah, you're so you're

18:46

saying that he's claiming it wasn't

18:48

on his own that he decided to

18:51

come forward. He was being pushed by some

18:53

other people. And that's

18:55

interesting. It makes you wonder

18:57

why they would be pushing for that unless,

19:00

you know, I don't know. Maybe.

19:03

Yeah, correct. You know, again, not saying

19:05

that everybody has 100 %

19:07

of the truth, but if

19:09

he was urged to come forward,

19:11

could that have been done because.

19:15

For yeah for who knows

19:17

you know for who knows so

19:19

Tompkins is

19:22

just great story from him. He's

19:24

got a couple of autobiographies Mountain

19:26

2015 part 2 came

19:29

out last year about

19:31

a year ago and then

19:33

apparently dr. Bob Wood is

19:35

working on a part 3

19:37

to his post humus William

19:40

Tompkins biography as well. So that's

19:43

called that's selected by extraterrestrials, right?

19:45

Yeah, selected by extraterrestrials and you

19:48

know, we can only touch on

19:50

we have only touched on a

19:52

sliver of William Tompkins sort of

19:55

full story that first book

19:57

selected by extraterrestrials. It is

19:59

a it's kind of a difficult read

20:01

because it was written by a man who

20:03

was in his 80s and 90s, but it

20:05

is a you know, it's a

20:07

lot of these different different

20:10

pieces and it shows a lot

20:12

of Data to

20:14

putting all this together Yeah,

20:17

and my favorite part about

20:19

his testimony is learning

20:21

about what was actually going on

20:23

in Germany and them

20:25

going to potentially go into Antarctica

20:27

and all that stuff and and

20:29

that stuff is what really interested

20:31

me because this technology was existing

20:33

in the 40s How did they

20:35

get this technology and how long

20:37

have they had it? This was

20:39

the information that really got my

20:41

wheels spinning when it came to

20:44

my awakening. Yeah.

20:46

And again, you know, Tompkins' story

20:49

just peaked so many different

20:51

things. So he witnessed the battle

20:53

of LA. That's awesome. It

20:55

was debriefing those

20:58

Navy spies and learning about what was

21:00

going on in Germany. And apparently a

21:02

lot of those Germans were... some

21:04

of those secret societies were going down to

21:07

Antarctica, building bases there.

21:10

Then we researched Operation

21:12

High Jump, and it sort of

21:14

puts that into perspective, like, okay,

21:16

maybe the US Navy and

21:18

Admiral Byrd heading up

21:21

that operation in 1947,

21:23

I think it was. They

21:25

go down and basically got their

21:28

ass kicked in Antarctica, and

21:31

wondering, well, what happened

21:33

there? Well, maybe it was the

21:35

Germans in those UFOs they saw.

21:37

Maybe it wasn't ETs, but actual

21:39

humans and some sort of secrets.

21:43

And then you think of all

21:45

the sightings over the fifties and

21:47

sixties over the decades. Maybe

21:50

a lot of those flying saucers

21:52

that we saw were piloted by

21:54

humans and not piloted by ETs.

21:57

Well, like the like the DC,

21:59

there's so many different things and gives you this

22:01

big perspective. that DC flyovers,

22:04

he claims were the Germans.

22:07

Right, in 1952, the DC

22:09

flyovers. And then I would

22:11

argue that a lot of

22:13

photographs that we have from

22:16

the 50s, because there was

22:18

this huge, huge incitings and

22:20

photographs that people got beginning in

22:22

around the late 40s. You had

22:25

the Kenneth Arnold incident in 1940.

22:27

I think that was 47 too.

22:30

DC flyover in 1952. And

22:32

a bunch of photographs starting all really around

22:35

that and they were all kind of the

22:37

same Look -in flying saucer

22:39

and your circular shape like they

22:42

all had very similar looks and

22:44

designs of the craft and

22:46

of course the the mainstream

22:48

the meaty The

22:50

mainstream narratives they they

22:52

were fine with people

22:55

Thinking it was ETS. Of course most of the

22:57

time they tried to pass it off as like a

22:59

weather balloon or swamp whatever

23:01

shitty excuse, but if people didn't

23:03

want to believe that and just

23:05

went straight to, oh, it's extraterrestrial.

23:07

It's almost as if they were

23:09

fine. They either wanted people to

23:11

completely or think it was ET

23:14

because then that way they can

23:16

brush all their secret toys

23:18

under the rug and people won't

23:20

even, they won't even think that

23:22

maybe humans, maybe people on this

23:25

planet have advanced to that sort

23:27

of level. It's just kept secret. So.

23:30

That's one of the biggest secrets

23:32

that they don't want out there

23:34

is the fact that humans, every

23:37

country it was, whether it was the

23:39

U .S. or Germany or maybe even

23:42

put some sort of transnational

23:44

group, humans have

23:47

had anti

23:49

-gravity technology and other technology

23:51

like that since the fricking

23:54

40s, if not earlier than

23:56

that, if not the 1930s

23:58

and 20s even. in different

24:00

parts of the world. So that's a

24:02

very massive secret that they try

24:05

very hard not to get people to think

24:07

about, which is why when, when,

24:09

uh, Bob Lazar first came out,

24:11

they attacked him so

24:13

hard and try to discredit

24:16

him so much because he

24:18

was literally the, the, at least

24:20

the first like big person to come

24:22

out and say, okay, we have this

24:24

technology, this, you know, anti

24:26

-gravity and he's literally saying like,

24:29

We, if we have this technology, we

24:31

can solve all the world's problems and this

24:33

would change the whole world. And that's one

24:35

of the main reasons why he, well,

24:38

he was doing it to protect himself, but also

24:40

he's like, this stuff needs to get out. Yeah.

24:43

I wonder with Bob Lazar, though, you

24:45

know, when I see the groups and

24:47

organizations promoting him and working with

24:50

him, um, I

24:52

wonder if he's legit. He's gotten quite a bit of

24:54

attention in recent,

24:56

last like three, four years.

25:00

And I'm not so sold on a lot

25:02

of the stuff he's saying. So it might

25:04

be kind of like a misdirection sort of

25:06

thing. It could be. It could be. I

25:08

could go either way with him. I'm kind

25:10

of just holding, you know, like, okay, we'll

25:12

see what happens with him. Yeah. And

25:14

that gets into the very good

25:16

conversation of where the

25:19

whole UFO

25:21

or I guess they call

25:23

it a UAP phenomena is

25:25

going these days is that.

25:28

You know, the last four

25:31

years or so, we've had

25:33

the idea of UFOs hit

25:35

the mainstream in

25:37

a massive way. And on one

25:40

hand, that's a good thing. It's

25:42

getting people to think of these

25:44

sort of different or alternative realities.

25:46

It's getting their mind out of the

25:48

box a little bit. But at the

25:51

same time, when I'm seeing the. organizations,

25:53

the organizations that are pumping a lot

25:55

of this research and what they are

25:58

saying, it's kind of

26:00

like taking people's minds out of

26:02

one box and just putting it

26:04

right there in another box, except

26:06

this other box just has aliens

26:08

in it and UFOs in it. It's

26:10

a slightly bigger box. Yeah, it's

26:12

just a slightly, it's still very

26:14

enclosed. So for

26:17

instance, you know, the first

26:19

media organization that started printing

26:21

articles and really

26:24

this recent, this

26:26

modern UFO wave

26:29

going was the New York Times. The

26:31

New York Times were the ones

26:34

in December of 2015 that released

26:36

that article with those black and white

26:38

videos that you've seen a million times.

26:41

And, you know, it's like more video,

26:45

same thing for decades.

26:48

Yeah. And New

26:50

York Times. And ever since then, the

26:53

people associated with their Tom

26:55

DeLong's group or people formally

26:58

associated with Tom DeLong's group,

27:00

same ones on these media

27:02

outlets, on CNN, on

27:05

Fox News, saying pretty much

27:07

the same things that we've heard for

27:09

years and years. And

27:11

it's just, it's weird. It's

27:13

like this very watered down, whitewashed

27:17

version of disclosure. And

27:21

I've see it infiltrate

27:23

the UFO conferences to the

27:25

kind of more underground ufology

27:28

community. A lot of

27:30

the UFO conferences have really taken

27:33

a hold of this like

27:35

to the start the

27:37

UFO disclosure initiative.

27:40

And that's like about now. And

27:42

yet everything else, any

27:44

deeper ideas or deeper discussion,

27:46

they've they've pushed out. Yeah.

27:49

And I know. some some

27:51

big people in the UFO community

27:53

have mentioned that they're like that

27:55

we've they said they've tried to reach out to

27:58

to the stars or to some of these people

28:00

and they want nothing to do with them

28:02

it's like they're they're intentionally cutting themselves off

28:04

from the whole rest of the of

28:07

ufology because they want to like you said

28:09

kind of steer the narrative in a certain

28:11

way yeah in these conferences due to you

28:13

know i i went to contact the big

28:15

thing like This is, this is everything. And

28:17

it's like, no, there's so much more that

28:19

so many other people are, have been revealing

28:21

and talking about, but they don't want, they

28:24

don't want to give that any

28:26

credibility because they have a specific agenda. Exactly.

28:29

Yeah. Exactly. They

28:31

just want to stay in

28:33

their little politically pigeonhole narratives that

28:35

they're in. But I mean, even the conferences

28:37

are doing. I tried

28:39

to I tried to push the envelope a

28:42

little bit at contact in the desert a

28:44

couple of years to contact in the desert

28:46

is I remember that funded in most part

28:48

by Gaia and I wanted to

28:50

talk about Q and I wanted to

28:53

talk about John Podesta in a in

28:55

a not -so -good light and a bunch

28:57

of other things. Yeah, I

28:59

was definitely I was definitely

29:01

uh, didn't you get censored? Didn't they

29:03

like not even give you the video

29:05

for your they said you said were

29:08

and you didn't Put my dvd out

29:10

people were going to try to buy

29:13

the dvd after I gave my top

29:15

To been there along with everybody else's

29:17

but mine was the only one that was not

29:19

available and they told Yeah, contact in the

29:22

desert tweeted on their twitter account that the

29:24

reason they didn't put my dvd out is

29:26

because I cursed in it, which was a

29:28

bold -faced lie They

29:31

just likely didn't want to put it

29:33

out because of my subject content. So. And

29:35

then after that, I had one episode that

29:37

I did with George Nuri on Gaia back

29:39

in 2017. After

29:41

the contact to the desert. So Gaia

29:43

got mad. Gaia got mad.

29:46

But, uh, so, yeah,

29:49

the whole, the whole UFO sort of

29:51

spectrum, although you brought up the point

29:53

just a minute ago that like the,

29:55

to the stars, guys, they,

29:58

uh, It was a few years ago. They

30:00

like wouldn't talk to anybody. Yeah.

30:03

No one. No one. Yes.

30:05

Yeah. Totally correct. Although I've noticed

30:07

recently that that's sort of changed.

30:10

So over the months, Lou

30:13

Elizondo, I don't think

30:15

he's affiliated with Tom DeLong's anymore,

30:17

but he was. And

30:19

Chris Mellon as

30:22

well, the rich banking

30:24

family guy. I mean,

30:26

Lou Elizondo too.

30:28

He, uh, James Clapper was

30:30

the one that. And staffed

30:33

him at the eight tip project,

30:35

but all these guys, they just

30:37

have actions. Recently

30:39

they have reached out and started

30:41

doing more interviews, but you'll look

30:44

at who they're doing interviews with

30:46

now. It's the same. It's very

30:48

promote the very watered down narratives.

30:50

So really when I'm looking

30:53

at. This sort of UFO

30:55

disclosure operation, this big sigh

30:57

has gone on for the

30:59

last three, three and a half years

31:01

now. I call it the, uh, out

31:03

UFO sort of disclosure, sigh

31:06

up. If you look at the,

31:08

the limited hangout is

31:10

in spook speak in spy

31:12

speak. The hangout is

31:15

when somebody starts like

31:17

figuring out or, or

31:19

questioning what's really going on. They're

31:21

starting to get a. hint of something, that something's

31:23

up, they'll offer, so a

31:26

spy or somebody just trying to conceal

31:28

the truth, they'll offer up a tiny

31:30

bit of what's going on, a little piece

31:32

of information, and then try to brush

31:35

the rest under the rug, hoping that that little

31:37

piece that they volunteer, pacify

31:40

the person, or make them stop questioning.

31:43

So I think that's what's going on with

31:45

disclosure, in that so many

31:47

people are waking up are, asking

31:50

these deeper questions or looking

31:53

past the mind -controlling mainstream

31:55

narratives that they are

31:57

trying to hoodwink pretty much everybody. They're

32:00

offering up a couple of

32:02

videos, which mind you, were

32:04

never classified. These

32:06

To The Stars, black and white videos

32:08

that we've seen over and over again,

32:11

actually classified. They were

32:13

just kind of rushed out the back door

32:15

of the government and then leaked to the

32:17

New York Times. And I think it was

32:19

Chris Mellon that did it, but

32:21

uh, videos weren't classified

32:23

and all these stories that we're

32:25

hearing about this secret UFO pro

32:28

from like 2008 to 2012 or

32:30

something like that. Oh, it's a

32:33

drop in the bucket. And of

32:35

course, any logical, reasonable person with

32:37

a semi decent IQ will say,

32:40

Oh yeah, CIA is not going

32:42

to give us all the information.

32:44

Come on. Like, why would we

32:47

think that they're going to offer

32:49

up ever? What

32:51

I'm seeing is this

32:54

big, limited hangout being

32:56

done with UFOs to

32:59

number one, set up

33:01

their gatekeepers. They're

33:03

setting up their gatekeepers of disclosure.

33:05

So you've got these Tom DeLong

33:07

to the stars guys that they're

33:10

getting all the mainstream press. And

33:12

then they're going and doing interviews

33:14

with these, these. people in the

33:16

UFO community and giving them this

33:18

like sense of credibility to a

33:20

lot of people. So it's a

33:23

way they're sort of setting up

33:25

the gatekeepers of disclosure and also

33:27

managing the narratives of it. So

33:30

one big narrative that a lot

33:32

of these, a lot of the

33:34

new UFO community, a lot of

33:37

these mainstream UFO narratives, they act

33:39

like there's no way that these

33:42

craft on the black and white

33:44

videos could be manmade. It's

33:46

like we talk to people who are really into

33:48

the Tom DeLong stuff and promote it a lot.

33:51

We don't have this technology. This is crazy. Yeah.

33:53

Exactly. It's like they think that's crazy

33:56

conspiracy theory. It's like, but

33:58

what do you do? Do you actually

34:00

research this stuff or do you just

34:02

get your talking points from ancient aliens

34:04

on the history channel or something like

34:06

that? Or Joe Rogan, because Joe Rogan

34:08

pushes that same thing. Oh,

34:10

yeah, he's super diet woke. Yeah.

34:13

And you think Joe Rogan,

34:15

who all has Joe Rogan

34:17

had to talk about UFOs?

34:20

TTS. DeLong, Stephen

34:23

Greer, Bob Lazar, Jeremy

34:25

Corbell, Fravor, one

34:28

of the pilots that apparently shot that

34:30

black and white video of the UFO

34:32

that the New York Times leaked. It's

34:35

all like it's it's perfectly.

34:38

mainstream, like exactly what the

34:40

military industrial complex would want

34:42

us to think. So

34:44

I don't think Joe Rogan picks

34:46

his guess, quite honestly. If

34:49

he does, I think you've got a

34:51

very narrow window of what he can

34:53

ask in very, you know, that's

34:55

why I call it Diet Woke. I

34:57

think early on, he maybe was able

34:59

to pick his guess because his show

35:01

shifted at some point. Maybe maybe

35:04

is when he signed the Spotify contract or

35:06

hit a. Maybe is when he hit the

35:08

million subscribe. Yeah. And they

35:10

told them, well, Joe, if you want

35:12

to keep going, Joe, you got to

35:14

have these people on and say what

35:17

we tell you to say. But I

35:19

don't know. You

35:21

know, it's interesting about like talking

35:23

about all this technology and. what

35:25

William Tomkins saw in the 40s,

35:28

30s. And that's what makes things

35:30

like SpaceX so laughable. Like we're

35:32

still trying to get out off

35:34

planet with rocket thrusters. Why?

35:37

But did you see the

35:39

today, the SpaceX launch that

35:41

crashed, that crash landed? Oh,

35:44

was that today? I think it was. I

35:46

saw something disclose TV, tweeted it out or

35:48

something, and they showed a video of it

35:50

taken off and coming back down, just exploding.

35:55

We had a couple of, a

35:57

couple of gaffes like that lately

35:59

when they tried their resets and

36:01

they didn't land properly and blew

36:03

up. You guys,

36:06

you know, you explained a

36:08

lot of my thoughts perfectly

36:10

there about SpaceX and these

36:12

different modern day so -called

36:15

advanced space research groups, even

36:17

NASA, we could throw in

36:19

there. It's like, listen around

36:22

with rocket fuel. with

36:24

glorified bullets. Got this big

36:26

bullet, is controlled explosion, makes

36:28

it go, makes it go vroom. We've

36:32

been dealing with that stuff for a hundred years,

36:34

man. Longer than

36:36

that. Dummy that haven't advanced

36:38

that technology in a hundred

36:40

years. Right. You look at

36:42

the typical way that technology

36:44

progresses. Look at our phones,

36:46

for instance. Yeah, exactly. Ten

36:48

years ago, we had these,

36:50

these flip phones and nobody

36:52

knew what an emoji was.

36:54

Nobody knew what an app

36:56

was. But hold within ten

36:58

years. Now we have phones

37:00

that can take 4k video

37:02

with widescreen, you

37:05

know, and all these different

37:07

apps and it's just it's

37:10

an exponential growth. The

37:12

growth of technology and innovation.

37:14

Yet when it comes to

37:16

aircraft and aerospace propulsion. we're

37:19

still dealing with fricking rocket

37:21

fuel. Granted, yes, they have

37:23

scramjet, ramjet engines these days,

37:26

and sure, maybe the miles

37:28

per gallon is a little

37:30

bit better on the aircraft,

37:32

and they're a little safer,

37:34

sure, but they're still like

37:36

raw, pressurized tubes that

37:38

we sit in. It's ancient

37:41

stuff, and you're completely right.

37:43

SpaceX is totally laughable when

37:45

you're... you're thinking about space

37:48

propulsion. And I just

37:50

think it's a big smoke screen. Same

37:52

thing as NASA in the 60s and

37:54

70s and 80s. It was the organization

37:57

of smoke and mirrors. They

37:59

would sell it to the mainstream

38:01

public as being the latest, greatest,

38:03

most advanced that he had done

38:05

in space. Meanwhile,

38:08

in other corporations, such

38:10

as Lockheed or Boeing

38:12

or, you know, funny

38:14

enough, Boeing. actually bought

38:16

McDonnell Douglas Douglas aircraft,

38:18

which William Tompkins worked

38:20

for right so Boeing

38:22

Bought up quite a

38:24

few aerospace companies and

38:26

you wonder what they

38:28

actually have in their

38:31

secrets projects. So Lockheed

38:33

Boeing Northrop Grumman TRW

38:35

which Tompkins also work

38:37

The Rand Corporation you

38:39

wonder what these come

38:41

think tanks really have

38:43

access to the true

38:45

information, not with sex

38:47

and NASA and what's

38:49

sold to the public.

38:51

Those are two totally

38:53

different, totally different realities.

38:55

You got the public reality,

38:58

which really isn't reality. It's

39:00

the illusion we're sold of

39:02

rockets and all this. Then

39:04

you got, okay, what's been

39:06

actually developed and actually the

39:09

pinnacle human achievement. And that

39:11

is your. flying saucers,

39:13

your black triangles, your cigar -shaped

39:15

craft. Sure, there probably

39:17

are some UFO sightings that

39:20

we get that are extraterrestrial,

39:22

but the majority of those

39:24

sightings that we see are

39:26

probably man -made. Let's be

39:28

probably man -made. Go

39:31

ahead. I was just going to

39:33

say, let's also not forget about

39:35

the actual patents that are are

39:37

out, they're questionable, but still there's

39:39

patents on some of this anti

39:41

-gravitic technology, the Navy operable patents,

39:44

there's even a TR3B patent, John

39:47

Sinclair Q or whatever, but I don't know, what are

39:49

your thoughts on those patents? Well,

39:52

I mean, it is to

39:54

the imagination to think that

39:56

humans have already developed gravity

39:59

controlling technologies, and not even

40:01

a stretch of the imagination

40:03

to think that they did

40:05

it 50 60 70 years

40:07

ago King of patents you

40:10

could go back to the

40:12

1940s and look at the

40:14

Like thomas towns and brown

40:16

tea towns and brown were

40:18

filing that got approved patents

40:21

But I think in england

40:23

and in america The american

40:25

ones might have been classified

40:27

since but he was taking

40:29

high voltage electrostatic charge and

40:32

charging metallic discs literally Serves

40:35

and making them levitate and fly

40:37

around He was doing this Not

40:39

very large discs might have been

40:42

four or five feet in diameter

40:44

But I think the reason why

40:46

it was classified is because Thomas

40:49

Downs brown figure giant discs and

40:51

put people in them So that

40:53

was back in the freaking 40

40:55

years and he was just one

40:58

person there were more inventors than

41:00

just him Then we had the

41:03

Invention Secrecy Act passed

41:05

in 1952. And

41:07

with the Invention Secrecy Act, it

41:10

stated that pretty much any branch

41:12

of government could classify a patent

41:14

as top secret over national security

41:17

concerns, which of course is the

41:19

big way of saying that they

41:22

can classify anything for whatever they

41:24

want. And

41:26

it's been said that there

41:28

are, well, there actually is

41:31

you can find the documentation of this,

41:33

but five to six thousand patents as

41:35

of today that are classified as top

41:37

secret, most of them probably have to

41:40

do with energy. And

41:42

that's just from what we know of

41:44

class on the public surface too. You

41:46

know, those are just the patents that

41:49

got approved. A lot

41:51

of the time when you have

41:53

an inventor who's looking at anti

41:56

-gravity or zero point energy research

41:58

or something similar to those topics,

42:01

A lot of times they don't even make it

42:03

to the patent approval process. Mysteriously

42:07

burns it down or

42:09

they get paid off,

42:11

money talks, spineless people.

42:14

They give up their research because they

42:16

got a paycheck out of it or

42:18

they're threatened. So they stop or, you

42:20

know, there's a lot of ways that

42:23

the patent can get a, or the

42:25

invention can get derailed. We have a

42:27

lot of secret patents. And then you've

42:29

got the ones that. Now are coming

42:31

public. I want to address the one

42:33

you mentioned about the TR3B and John

42:35

Sinclair. That one is

42:37

not an approved patent. That one

42:39

was just an application that never

42:41

went past the approval stage. So

42:43

that one's not a real patent.

42:47

They do address that because...

42:49

How does it make it

42:51

onto Google patents, though? If

42:53

it's... You could go onto

42:55

Google patents and look at

42:57

the... process of it and

42:59

it can say that it

43:01

was says application. It doesn't

43:03

say actual approved. So

43:06

there's no patent applications that

43:08

can make their way onto

43:11

Google, but, uh, they're not

43:13

actual. They haven't

43:15

been approved quite yet. So I,

43:17

the Johnson Claire one, he's got

43:19

like a dozen patents, whoever that

43:22

guy was behind that pseudonym. There's

43:24

like a dozen patents that I

43:26

think he tried to file all

43:28

for shits and giggles. He used,

43:30

uh, an address in like Puerto

43:32

Rico somewhere. So I think, I

43:34

think the person who ever did

43:36

that was just kind of a

43:38

joke to see if they could

43:40

get it approved. But nevertheless, aside

43:42

from the Johnson Claire patents, we

43:44

have the, uh, Salvatore pace patents,

43:46

which these ones have been approved.

43:49

And he is an inventor for

43:51

the Navy. He's even

43:53

said like, we need to get

43:55

these improved because, uh, our ad.

43:58

could be working on them was

44:00

the way they put it. But

44:03

essentially, it sounds like the Navy

44:05

is trying to disclose some of

44:07

their operable technology through these patents

44:10

through their inventor, Salvatore. And

44:13

it's, yeah, these patents are pretty

44:15

incredible. And it really makes you

44:17

wonder if, because,

44:21

you know, we have Q, we have

44:23

different things that are letting us know

44:26

that the military is trying to disclose

44:28

information and make some moves against the

44:30

deep state. But with these patents, I

44:33

wonder if they're trying to sort

44:35

of open up the process for

44:38

full disclosure, figure out ways to

44:40

get technologies and out to the

44:43

public. They could be doing that

44:45

with these Navy patents. Or

44:48

they could be doing that with the

44:50

Space Force too. That's what I was

44:52

just going to say. They could be

44:54

they could be doing that. strictly for

44:57

the Space Force, maybe what they're releasing

44:59

or showing is some of the craft

45:01

we're going to start seeing introduced or

45:03

rolled out through the Space Force that

45:05

have already been existing, but. It

45:09

was interesting in the very first

45:11

days of the Space Force to

45:13

see it against it. You

45:16

would think, I mean,

45:18

we haven't had a

45:20

very created in 70

45:22

plus years. thousands

45:25

and tens of thousands of satellites

45:27

and orbit right now. It

45:29

makes sense that we would

45:32

create a space force as

45:34

we get more developed and

45:36

begin venturing out into space.

45:38

But there was a lot

45:40

of bureaucratic opposition to it

45:42

in the Pentagon, addition to

45:45

it, a lot of politicians.

45:47

Of course, it was a Trump proposal. So

45:49

a lot of proposition, a lot of. politicians

45:52

just wanted to be anti -Trump to go

45:54

against it. But it was also intriguing because

45:56

the secretary of the Air Force, at

45:58

the time, I think her name

46:01

was Heather Wilson. She

46:03

was really against it, the space force.

46:06

And, you know, so the fact

46:08

we had opposed to it was

46:11

like, I wonder why, I

46:13

wonder why these people are so, so

46:15

against it. They're doing it again. Cindy's

46:19

circle back girl or whatever her name is

46:21

every time she's asked about it. She's she

46:23

that's that's the one question she doesn't circle

46:25

back on. She starts making fun of Space

46:27

Force. She's turning it into a joke again.

46:30

I can't I can't stand her. So I

46:33

haven't really sat down to watch any of

46:35

the press briefings. But I haven't seen her

46:37

her being asked the question of Space Force.

46:39

I'll check that out twice now. You should

46:41

check it out. Yeah. If you got a

46:44

link to a tweet showing the video or

46:46

anything. Let me know. I'll send it. Yeah.

46:48

It is, yeah, it's going to see the

46:50

opposition. It makes you wonder. And

46:53

if it definitely makes you wonder

46:55

that there could be some definite

46:57

deeper reasons as to why the

46:59

space force was created. And

47:01

then you have what Q said about

47:04

space, those particular

47:06

drops. And, you

47:08

know, I know a lot of

47:10

people are confused about Q these

47:12

days. And a lot of people

47:14

thinking it's a big bad Psyop

47:17

and things like that. There's just.

47:19

There's a lot of mis and

47:21

disinformation and controlled opposition out there

47:23

trying to attack Q. Anyway,

47:26

another conversation, another day, but

47:29

if we go back channel

47:31

being Q, that

47:33

military patriotic to disclose

47:35

information through, and they

47:37

were working with Trump,

47:41

those drops, space programs exist

47:43

outside of the public domain,

47:46

life exists, you know, consider the

47:48

vastness of space, this

47:51

classification, the extraterrestrial subject is,

47:53

I mean, just a couple

47:55

simple statements says so much

47:57

because look at who is

47:59

disclosing it and look at

48:01

who has authorized that program

48:03

to disclose it, that program

48:05

being Q, the person authorizing

48:07

it, being Trump, one of

48:09

them and whatever other high

48:11

level military officials were in.

48:13

or on Q team or

48:15

read into that program. Ah,

48:19

those few drops on space say so

48:21

much right there. I mean, that's, that's

48:23

disclosure. You can think of it in

48:25

a way that is a massive piece

48:27

of disclosure right there. Confirmation of many

48:30

things. Another reason, another

48:32

reason they're trying to sweep Q

48:34

under the rug right now. I

48:36

mean, so many different reasons they

48:38

were, you know, they were getting

48:40

people thinking. Getting

48:43

too many gears turning in people's

48:45

brains Key was and we'll see

48:47

we'll see if they ever post

48:49

again. Maybe they will maybe they

48:51

won't but What we got coming

48:53

up I think in the next

48:56

few months in this country be

48:58

interesting and I don't even want

49:00

to unto the whole speculation thing

49:02

because Everybody over the last month

49:04

or two putting out their speculations

49:06

or their inside sources on the

49:09

internet just getting burned to oblivion

49:11

and a lot of them have

49:13

been downright wrong. But I don't

49:15

know. I mean, it's it's there's

49:17

definitely stuff happening. Well, I know

49:19

for sure. What's that? There's definitely

49:21

stuff happening in the background. Dude.

49:24

Yeah. And it's like, even though

49:26

it looks quiet, like, oh, yeah,

49:28

Joe Biden was sworn in and

49:30

he was not in President Trump

49:32

censored off the internet and he's

49:34

not saying anything. It's like when

49:37

it that's almost when you

49:39

know that most stuff is going down

49:41

behind the scenes. And

49:44

actually, in the last few

49:46

days, I'm looking at what's

49:48

happening in Myanmar. I

49:50

don't know you guys have that too

49:52

much research. The coup, yeah, they're

49:55

trying to determine if they were

49:57

gonna label it a coup or

49:59

not to determine whether or not

50:01

they would, because it

50:03

might cut off their foreign aid. Did you

50:06

read that article? Yeah. Yeah,

50:08

so in Myanmar they just

50:10

had an election last November

50:13

and Yesterday their military and

50:15

an arrested a good portion

50:17

of their government and The

50:20

Myanmar military said that they

50:22

arrested them because of a

50:25

rigged election sound familiar interesting

50:27

now it might sound like

50:30

oh a million You

50:34

know, bad news or something like

50:36

that. But when you look at

50:38

the reaction from the and the

50:40

reaction reaction from different politicians and

50:42

globalist puppets around the world, it's

50:44

like, wow, it's pissing off like

50:47

all the right people. They're all

50:49

freaking out about it. Right. Yeah.

50:51

So the Joe Biden administration today

50:53

said that I think what you

50:55

just mentioned, like we're defying this

50:57

as a coup and we're stopping

51:00

all all foreign assistance to the

51:02

country. You've got politicians around

51:04

the globe saying, oh, I condemn what's

51:06

going on. It's a coup. It's bad

51:08

news bears. The media

51:10

in America here is, you

51:12

know, they're downplaying it as

51:15

being an awful thing. And

51:17

they're saying that democracy stifled

51:19

there and the democratically elected

51:21

government is, you know, it's

51:24

just totally looks like they're covering their ass.

51:26

And it looks like they're terrified. They're terrified

51:28

of people. Catching wind of

51:31

that and you know, it

51:33

really makes you wonder if

51:35

that's the first domino that's

51:37

falling that's going to begin

51:39

falling Called other countries Soon

51:41

enough maybe the US I

51:43

thought a very fascinating data

51:45

point. I saw yesterday about

51:47

this Myanmar thing is that

51:49

Former Secretary of State Mike

51:51

Pompeo the Secretary of State

51:53

of under Trump, of course

51:55

back on November 9th. He

51:57

made a official statement to

51:59

the press, a public statement

52:01

about the elections in Myanmar.

52:04

And he said, we're going to

52:06

be monitoring, watching the situation very

52:08

closely. Mike Pompeo

52:10

said that about Myanmar of

52:13

all places, like a random

52:15

country. Right. And

52:17

then what happens two, three months later, Myanmar

52:20

military arrest their government for stealing an election.

52:24

You know, clearly, I know a lot of people

52:26

are going to be saying. Well, why didn't our

52:28

military do it? Why haven't they moved? Why did

52:30

they let Joe Biden get inaugurated? As

52:33

much as I wanted them to move

52:35

as much as I thought something might

52:37

have gone down on an around then.

52:40

I think there are very sound arguments

52:42

as to why maybe our military let

52:45

in let him hold the president's seat,

52:47

you know, just they let it. Yeah,

52:49

they could have if they wanted to,

52:52

for sure. Right. And that's what I

52:54

was thinking. I'm like, if they could

52:56

have, they could have moved, you know,

52:58

Q was saying it had to be

53:01

this way. It had to be the

53:03

hard way, got to walk through the

53:05

darkness before you get to the light.

53:08

So I mean, plus if you actually

53:10

read Q's drops, they were never talking

53:12

about a big Mario. They

53:14

never mentioned the Insurrection Act or the

53:17

Ormarsha law. Talked

53:19

about what a lot of

53:21

these so -called, you know,

53:23

Q authorities out there on

53:25

social media now have somehow

53:28

been saying Simon Parks But

53:30

You actually read Q's drops

53:32

and they even questioned us

53:34

I think back in October

53:36

if Joe Biden became POTUS

53:38

dot dot dot dot dot

53:41

so maybe this was all

53:43

part of the plan, right

53:45

and You know,

53:47

maybe Myanmar was one of

53:49

the first dominoes and it

53:51

makes you wonder as well

53:53

when I look at the

53:55

situation of Myanmar if if

53:57

the military in Myanmar was

53:59

really concerned about state or

54:01

the Biden administration or or

54:03

Anything of that nature would

54:05

they have made a move?

54:08

No. Yeah Maybe they know that

54:10

this Joe Biden administration is just

54:13

some placeholder And heck, maybe they

54:15

had assistance from the U .S.

54:17

military. Yeah, I said,

54:19

hey, we're watching the situation of Myanmar very

54:22

closely was to say that there wasn't some

54:24

sort of assistance or maybe green light given

54:26

or something like that. And that's why I'm

54:28

thinking that maybe Myanmar is the first domino

54:30

and we could see that soon happen. You

54:34

know, I will say with Joe Biden getting

54:36

in the presidency. Weeks

54:40

of his administration have been such a shit

54:42

show that it's waking up people. left

54:44

wing, right wing, no wing, like

54:46

a lot of people are waking

54:49

up to it. And then also

54:51

it helps the situation in many

54:53

ways. Donald Trump sort of

54:55

out of the picture for lack of

54:57

a better term, or at least out

55:00

of the public picture temporarily, and then

55:02

have the military make a move while

55:04

Joe Biden is president. That helps the

55:07

optics of everything like incredibly. a

55:09

lot more. Exactly. That's

55:12

just it. We have to remember that this

55:14

is optics. Nothing that

55:16

we're seeing is actually what's

55:18

happening. I think the

55:21

main reason, like you said, is the optics.

55:23

I think if Trump would have won and

55:25

been in and then they would have done

55:27

all this, it would have looked like a

55:30

lot of people. Trump is

55:32

a dictator and this is a Big

55:34

takeover by the Trump exactly. Yeah, Trump

55:36

would have looked they would have sold

55:38

it like Trump being maybe it would

55:40

have completely ran with that. Of course,

55:42

right. So, okay, let Biden get in

55:44

there for maybe a couple of weeks

55:46

or a month or two. Have

55:49

him sign a bunch of

55:51

executive orders or, you know,

55:54

how much Biden is being

55:56

leveraged or how tight the

55:58

strings are. Maybe they're just

56:01

letting him in there to. hang

56:04

around for a couple of months. They

56:06

know he won't do too much damage

56:08

or be in long enough to do

56:10

too much damage. And then the move.

56:12

So we'll see. I mean, we have

56:14

the impeachment trial coming up next week.

56:17

So who knows what that might be.

56:20

Speaking of impeaching someone is not

56:22

president. I'm going to be playing

56:25

or playing paying close attention to

56:27

the Super Bowl, the halftime show.

56:30

I don't know why. I think I didn't. Use

56:32

that for something the day before the impeachment.

56:35

I don't know. It's

56:37

it's a it's an interesting date.

56:41

It's of course, it's sports.

56:44

So I'm not surprised that it's

56:46

like Kansas City versus Tampa Bay

56:48

and Tom Brady. It's like it

56:51

just, you know, of

56:53

course, the elections rigged and the stock

56:55

markets rigged. Who wants to say corporate

56:57

sports isn't rigged, but it is. And

57:00

yeah. Then we got

57:02

those couple of Q drops which

57:04

said the Super Bowl in a

57:06

reference like what's coming? I'll make

57:08

the Super Bowl show those drops

57:10

were from like 2018 and then

57:12

I think in 2020 last year

57:14

Q said the exact same thing

57:16

so I'm like Maybe it wasn't

57:18

for last year's suit Maybe it

57:20

was for this year's Super Bowl

57:23

or something like that and then

57:25

like you said It's the day

57:27

before trial. Well, did it not

57:29

say the day after? I

57:31

said the day after the Super Bowl will make

57:33

the Super Bowl look like a puppy show or

57:36

did it not say the day after? I don't

57:38

think it said the day after. Maybe I read

57:40

that one. But yeah, it could be, you know,

57:42

there's been a lot of drops in some of

57:44

them more years ago. There's

57:47

just there's a lot of weird signaling

57:50

around those particular days and some interesting.

57:52

one and two year deltas that we get

57:55

from Qs drops around February 8th and 9th

57:57

or so. So I think those days are

57:59

definitely going to be. And

58:01

then that impeachment trial, you know,

58:04

we'll see if it goes to

58:06

a discovery process, if it does,

58:08

that would be interesting. We'll

58:11

see if the Senate votes.

58:13

Yes. If the Senate

58:15

really does to impeach, then

58:17

that breaks some constitutional law.

58:19

Oh, that could open up

58:22

the floodgates to something else.

58:24

Um, if this impeachment just

58:27

kind of flops and Trump

58:29

gets acquitted and it goes,

58:31

bye -bye. Well, then like,

58:33

what's next? There's gotta be

58:36

something next to the media.

58:38

They're struggling. They're struggling so

58:40

hard. I think CNN's viewership

58:42

dropped by like 40%. in the first

58:45

week of the Joe Biden administration because

58:47

they don't have Trump to hate on

58:49

anymore. Yeah. It's like, yeah.

58:52

And they pulled CNN out of the

58:54

airports, which is, I was just, yeah,

58:56

that probably was a big cut to

58:58

it. But like, no, nobody's watching this

59:01

shit anymore. People are watching. Yeah.

59:03

So, uh, we'll, we'll see,

59:05

man, we'll see what

59:08

happens with this impeachment. And

59:10

then the first few, uh,

59:13

I guess the first few weeks

59:15

of February should be a, should

59:17

be an interesting time. I think

59:19

we're all still kind of, still

59:21

kind of waiting for something to

59:23

happen, even if it's just like

59:25

a, a Q drop or coming

59:27

back and saying something or anything.

59:30

Seriously, we're ready. Give us a

59:32

bone, man. We've been, we've been

59:34

here. We've been fighting. Throw

59:37

us a bone, man. Did you see

59:39

what's going around about apparently Vegas is

59:41

holding off on paying out any bets

59:43

on the presidency until March 5th? I

59:46

think I did see that, too. I

59:48

saw people say that, but there's a

59:50

difference between seeing it then and finding

59:52

it from the source. I don't even

59:54

know how to check the bookies, the

59:57

books of the bookies, I don't know,

59:59

but would be interesting if that was

1:00:01

true. Yeah, if it is. Yeah. I

1:00:03

mean, like you said, I have heard

1:00:06

it said twice now from two different

1:00:08

sources, but I don't know myself. The

1:00:10

main thing that gives me comfort is

1:00:12

seeing how the military is acting. It

1:00:15

does appear they're not really acknowledging

1:00:18

Biden too much at all as

1:00:20

the president. They're kind of stonewalling

1:00:22

him. Right. I did a little

1:00:25

digging today with a friend of

1:00:27

mine, and we were looking at

1:00:29

some of the Twitter accounts for

1:00:31

the military, like the Army, Navy,

1:00:34

Marines. And we

1:00:36

went through the following list,

1:00:39

who the military Twitter accounts

1:00:41

were following. We

1:00:43

couldn't find any of them that

1:00:45

were actually following Joe or the

1:00:48

POTUS account, which Joe Biden now

1:00:50

now heads. But

1:00:53

they still follow the at POTUS

1:00:55

45 account. Correct. So

1:00:58

I don't know if that was purposeful.

1:01:00

If it was purposeful, that's definitely a

1:01:02

big sign right there. There's

1:01:06

so many things, though, that that happened.

1:01:09

Like they had their backs turned, you know,

1:01:11

when they went by they. What

1:01:14

was it? Well, it looked to me

1:01:17

on inauguration day. Private plane, all the

1:01:19

different things. Yeah, the private plane. Yeah,

1:01:22

it was like for a foreign

1:01:25

dignitary or something instead of the

1:01:27

one for that. It should have

1:01:29

been. There's so many things that

1:01:32

point to like, they're not acknowledging.

1:01:35

Right. And now we have more

1:01:37

National Guard going into DC, some

1:01:39

more bus loads. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:41

And there's more. Yeah. So

1:01:44

it's just the next, you know, weeks

1:01:47

kind of be.

1:01:51

I'm waiting to see if what happened

1:01:53

in Myanmar will happen in another country

1:01:55

and then like another country. And

1:01:58

then at that point, I think

1:02:01

even the America would be like,

1:02:03

whoa, maybe, maybe.

1:02:08

What do you think is going on with the stock

1:02:10

market? That could have

1:02:12

been a big domino too. I

1:02:14

saw in Germany, one of their

1:02:16

central bankers was arrested, publicly arrested

1:02:18

today. I watched a video. Huh,

1:02:20

I didn't see that. Yes, it's a

1:02:23

big name. I'm not I don't

1:02:25

know is I don't know who

1:02:27

it is but apparently he's like

1:02:29

a big wig over there and

1:02:31

he was like being arrested publicly

1:02:33

and Kind of like what we

1:02:35

hope to see happen to some

1:02:38

of these other people I just

1:02:40

wonder if it's tied in with

1:02:42

this whole GameStop thing and I

1:02:44

don't know. It's it's interesting. Yeah,

1:02:46

I don't know either I've been

1:02:48

with the stock market is another

1:02:50

instance that is definitely red pilling

1:02:53

and the most beautiful thing about

1:02:55

it is that it's not it's

1:02:57

not political Yeah, it crosses cultural

1:02:59

divide like it's just people that's

1:03:01

it's investing in stocks and finances

1:03:03

and they're seeing how big tech

1:03:05

is colluding with Wall Street is

1:03:08

colluding with the media is colluding

1:03:10

with like it's a it's just

1:03:12

another thing that's like people are

1:03:14

seeing. Oh my god. This is

1:03:16

bad. Yeah, and Yeah, so with

1:03:18

this whole GameStop situation I

1:03:21

think a lot of people are speculating like, oh,

1:03:23

Trump's involved, their Q's involved or something like that.

1:03:26

I think it arose a little

1:03:28

more organically than a lot of

1:03:30

people are believing. You

1:03:32

can actually trace this back

1:03:34

to 2019 is when that

1:03:37

user deep fucking value is

1:03:39

what he calls himself on

1:03:41

Reddit. That's when he originally

1:03:43

bought his GameStop stock for

1:03:45

three dollars a share and

1:03:47

began holding it and DFV.

1:03:49

as I'll say to keep

1:03:51

it PG 13, he is

1:03:53

still holding on to his

1:03:56

GameStop stock. So going on

1:03:58

a while and a lot

1:04:00

people started noticing the short

1:04:02

selling of GameStop before the

1:04:04

elections even happened back in

1:04:06

November. So I, I don't

1:04:08

know. I think it's pretty

1:04:10

organic, but the backlash we're

1:04:12

seeing like clearly these trading

1:04:14

apps like Robinhood, not letting

1:04:17

people buy shares. or restricting

1:04:19

the amount of shares people

1:04:21

are buying. The clearing

1:04:23

houses that are supposed to

1:04:25

be like basically the middlemen

1:04:27

between people trying to buy

1:04:29

and trade their shares and

1:04:31

actual Wall Street, the clearing

1:04:33

houses are preventing the apps

1:04:35

from fulfilling many of the

1:04:37

orders. And then you've got

1:04:39

obviously some of these like

1:04:41

billionaire hedge fund people going

1:04:43

on to the mainstream media,

1:04:45

trying to. At what

1:04:47

redditors are doing or illegal

1:04:50

or pain him as being

1:04:52

bad people got dumbasses like

1:04:54

Jimmy Kimmel on his show

1:04:56

saying all Russians Russians Of

1:04:58

course it's there. Well, they

1:05:01

can't say it's like Yeah,

1:05:03

it is crazy and the

1:05:05

thing is happening like day

1:05:07

in and day out, you

1:05:09

know last week I think

1:05:12

on Thursday was the big

1:05:14

day that Robin Robin Hood

1:05:16

themselves in the foot and

1:05:18

started denying people's orders. And

1:05:21

it's still going on. It happened yesterday. It happened

1:05:23

today. You can go to Wall Street bets on

1:05:25

Reddit. I've been on because

1:05:27

not going to lie. I like the

1:05:29

stock. I bought a couple shares. They're

1:05:33

like tanking now, but it's just

1:05:35

the principle, man. It's the principle.

1:05:38

Hold. Yeah. Hold till we bleed

1:05:40

dry. But you can go on

1:05:42

Wall Street bets and see people's

1:05:44

screenshots from. a variety

1:05:47

of different apps, good from cash

1:05:49

app, from Weeble, from

1:05:51

Fidelity eating, straight denied

1:05:54

on their apps. So

1:05:56

like free market, right?

1:05:59

Well, yeah. And there's definitely not rigged at

1:06:01

all. What I think is funny, I haven't

1:06:03

been in, I've never really been involved in

1:06:05

stocks, but I've noticed everything crashing and tanking

1:06:07

right now. And then when you try and

1:06:09

buy these tanking stocks, they have a warning

1:06:12

saying this might not be a smart. Yeah,

1:06:15

they're trying to scare you saying

1:06:17

this yeah a huge risk like

1:06:20

why would they care if you

1:06:22

put your money in or not?

1:06:24

When do they care all a

1:06:27

sudden and then like I hate

1:06:29

reddit. I can't stand reddit. It's

1:06:31

like It's just so bad, but

1:06:34

in a variety of different ways

1:06:36

although going on and then scrolling

1:06:38

the posts on there ones and

1:06:41

the new ones So many people

1:06:43

so many people are seeing the

1:06:45

bullshit, they are clearly aware of

1:06:47

the psychological game. And the hedge

1:06:50

funds and big tech are playing.

1:06:52

They know that this whole stock

1:06:54

market thing is just a big

1:06:57

mind manipulation game. And

1:06:59

they're like, oh, I'm not going to listen to that. I'm

1:07:01

not going to listen to that. So it's like huge. It's

1:07:04

it's people are really waking up to

1:07:06

how rigged the market is. It's just.

1:07:09

I mean, if they're waking up to

1:07:12

how rigged. is, it's

1:07:14

not that far of a

1:07:16

step for them to rig

1:07:18

the election is. Not

1:07:21

that, you know, the market. An

1:07:23

election can be rigged. You're

1:07:26

seeing how the numbers are manipulated by

1:07:28

computers, right? Well, look at the votes,

1:07:30

man. Not that tough. Yeah,

1:07:33

I mean, I'm still getting

1:07:36

the trust the plan vibes. I'm

1:07:38

not going to lie. I still

1:07:40

think that. A lot of people

1:07:42

are behind this to make things

1:07:44

happen. And I think things are

1:07:46

definitely going to happen. And, you

1:07:48

know, having it done

1:07:50

this way with Joe Biden

1:07:53

get inaugurated and then people

1:07:55

like, you know, you and

1:07:57

I who are still you

1:07:59

and hardcore conspiracy theorists, you

1:08:02

know, we've been attacked like

1:08:04

these past two, three weeks

1:08:06

like crazy. And, uh,

1:08:08

That's just going to make the vindication all

1:08:11

that much better. It's going

1:08:13

to make people give us

1:08:15

that much more respect when

1:08:17

that vindication is. So

1:08:19

maybe everything's going to work out better

1:08:21

this way. I'm hoping for that. It's

1:08:25

all serving to wake people up. It's all it's

1:08:27

all doing. So they're just shooting themselves in the

1:08:29

foot every step of the way with everything they

1:08:31

do. What I'm noticing too about

1:08:34

Q, we have everywhere we turn now,

1:08:36

people are saying Q is a PSYF

1:08:38

or we've been duped or whatever. But

1:08:40

I'm noticing that some of these drops

1:08:43

are actually more relevant than they've ever

1:08:45

been because they go hand in hand

1:08:47

with what's happening right now, more than

1:08:49

they did at the time of the

1:08:52

drop. So I'm wondering how much of

1:08:54

it was eluding to this exact moment.

1:08:57

I don't know. How layered were

1:08:59

these things really? Sure, it

1:09:01

could have been hinting at

1:09:03

some event around the time

1:09:06

of the particular drop, but

1:09:08

what's to say that one

1:09:10

year later, two, three, whatever

1:09:13

they said, wouldn't have some sort

1:09:15

of double meaning to exactly what's

1:09:17

going on now. And that's totally

1:09:19

true. You know, we still have

1:09:21

a lot. There's still a lot

1:09:23

to go through. Ghislaine Maxwell's case

1:09:25

in her trial. That's

1:09:28

still coming in the whole Epstein saga.

1:09:30

We had John Luc Brunel arrested not

1:09:32

too many weeks ago People are wondering

1:09:35

when Les Wexner is gonna be next

1:09:37

so There's still there's still so much

1:09:39

to be told about about that story.

1:09:41

I don't think it's anywhere near done

1:09:43

No, not even close. Yeah,

1:09:46

we're all waiting on that next drop. So

1:09:48

that'll be a big day, you know that

1:09:50

yeah Big day that a

1:09:52

lot of people are going to get censored

1:09:54

off the internet. That's for sure. Yeah, don't

1:09:56

post those drops on Twitter if it happens.

1:09:58

Yeah, exactly. All right, man. Well, I think

1:10:00

we've hit our time. Thanks for coming

1:10:02

on and sharing all that with us about

1:10:05

Tomkins and all this stuff. It's great to

1:10:07

have you back. We want

1:10:09

to let people know where they can

1:10:11

find you because I know you're getting

1:10:14

shut down. Yeah, totally. 14,

1:10:16

14. From now,

1:10:18

it took me down. Wow. Patreon

1:10:21

to PayPal, the Spotify to videos.

1:10:23

Now we're on bit, shoot, rumble

1:10:25

and gab TV. Those are my

1:10:28

three main platforms for uploading videos.

1:10:30

And then for social media, it's

1:10:32

pretty much just gab and telegram.

1:10:35

I've been liking tell people have

1:10:37

been migrating there and they haven't

1:10:39

taken down posts. So that's good.

1:10:42

Gab's getting faster. So that's good

1:10:44

too. I still have a. When

1:10:47

Facebook and Instagram took my

1:10:49

accounts out, I made backups,

1:10:52

but it's Instagram. Like,

1:10:54

I don't use it all that much,

1:10:56

but if you're on there, you might

1:10:58

as well go to Jordan Saither .com

1:11:00

is my website and then links to

1:11:03

everything will be right on there. Yeah.

1:11:05

Actually, my favorite thing that you do

1:11:07

is the questions on Instagram. When you

1:11:09

have people ask you questions and you

1:11:11

answer them on your story. Yeah.

1:11:14

I can't. Instagram doesn't let me go live.

1:11:16

I can't go live on, on Instagram. They

1:11:18

haven't let me for like a month now,

1:11:21

but I don't know. I don't really know

1:11:23

what else to use it for. Instagram is

1:11:25

this weird, like I can't stand it. It

1:11:27

creates these echo chambers for people. And then

1:11:30

of course, since it's photographically oriented, you get

1:11:32

so many of these like narcissists is just

1:11:34

want to post pictures of themselves and shit

1:11:36

on there. So I can't stand Instagram, but

1:11:39

it is a very good way to connect

1:11:41

with an audience though. Yeah, a great app

1:11:43

for connecting with an audience. Probably one of

1:11:46

the best apps there is out there for

1:11:48

it. So I'm like, I'm like, oh, I

1:11:50

wanted to grab it. It's like everything I

1:11:52

would say would probably get censored off of

1:11:55

it. But I don't know. I'll probably use

1:11:57

it a little bit more coming up and

1:11:59

just use it till they don't let me

1:12:02

anymore. Yeah. Yeah, they wiped us out and

1:12:04

we made it back up. But yeah, I

1:12:06

made another one like you guys out to

1:12:08

on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:11

I mean, yeah. Instagram

1:12:13

and now Twitter we just got. to leave

1:12:15

it off Twitter a little bit ago. Yes.

1:12:17

And three big three, baby. You got to

1:12:19

keep your got to keep your YouTube safe.

1:12:21

Yeah. I'm like, you got to cut out

1:12:24

the cue parts in this talk or whatever.

1:12:26

Yeah. Yeah. I want to edit this heavily.

1:12:29

Well, so far we've been lucky

1:12:31

fingers crossed out his shirt right

1:12:33

here. Yeah. Yeah. All

1:12:36

right, man. This was awesome. Guys, you

1:12:38

can also find us on telegram. Uh,

1:12:40

we've migrated over there. We're primarily there.

1:12:42

It seems like everybody's going there. It's

1:12:44

actually really cool. And you can do

1:12:46

a lot with it and you can

1:12:48

edit your comments, which I love. Yeah.

1:12:52

Telegram is actually like, it's

1:12:54

a shit show to try

1:12:56

to learn, but of it,

1:12:58

it's actually incredible. And I

1:13:00

think it's better than, it's

1:13:02

better than Twitter and Facebook

1:13:04

for just finding news and

1:13:06

finding information because. It's

1:13:09

a messaging app more than it's a

1:13:11

social media app. You don't have algorithms

1:13:13

that are filtering out your timeline for

1:13:15

you. Like, you know, on flow of

1:13:17

1 ,000 people, but how many of

1:13:19

their tweets are you actually seeing a

1:13:21

day? 50, huh? Telegram,

1:13:25

whatever channels you follow,

1:13:27

no matter who you follow, the most recent posts are

1:13:29

going to be the highest on the list. You

1:13:33

know, it's pretty incredible for

1:13:35

making sure you see. you're

1:13:38

following and then being able to interact

1:13:40

and whatnot. So I think it's great.

1:13:42

I think it's great. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

1:13:45

And we'll have all your links below.

1:13:47

And people are still asking where they

1:13:49

can find us. Our link tree is

1:13:51

in the description now. We have everything

1:13:53

compiled down there. So yeah, make sure

1:13:55

you check that out. We're all over

1:13:58

the place now. I mean, you almost

1:14:00

have to be because you never know

1:14:02

where you're going to get axed next.

1:14:04

Correct. Yeah. And guys, don't

1:14:06

forget, there's still tickets available for

1:14:08

the StarSea Adventures Conference in March

1:14:10

in Cocoa Beach, Florida. Aaron and

1:14:13

I will be there with our

1:14:15

Experiencers Lounge. A lot of great

1:14:17

speakers. It's going to be fun just to get away to

1:14:19

the beach. I know it's not

1:14:21

an easy time to travel. Apparently they just signed

1:14:23

a, you have to double mask while you travel

1:14:25

now, I saw today or yesterday. I don't know

1:14:27

if that's true, but let's hope not. Yeah.

1:14:30

Yeah. That's

1:14:32

insane. But yeah, tickets are

1:14:34

still available. There's not many left. So if

1:14:36

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1:15:15

anyway, good night, guys. Thanks for tuning in.

1:15:17

Any last words, Jordan? Nope.

1:15:20

Appreciate you guys having me on. We'll do

1:15:22

it again soon. Yeah,

1:15:24

was a blast. Thanks so much for coming on. We'll

1:15:26

see you soon, man. We'll talk later. Good night, everybody.

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