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I'm not giving fear anymore my

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attention. I'm going to pay attention

0:04

to faith. And fill yourself full

0:06

of faith scriptures and read books

0:09

on faith and read books on believing.

0:11

And you know, we believe something all

0:13

the time, so why not believe the

0:15

good things? Hello

0:20

my friends welcome we are so glad

0:22

that you are here with us to

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talk it out together today we are

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going to talk about something that's really

0:29

important because it impacts all of our

0:31

lives and especially in the world today

0:33

we live in a world that is

0:36

full of fear and so Joyce is

0:38

here with us Aaron and I are

0:40

going to talk about how to deal

0:42

with fear in our lives and how

0:45

to help overcome it and just to

0:47

start with something silly I left, I don't

0:49

even know what it is. One of the

0:51

fears I have, and I've really gotten

0:54

over it because it's become just

0:56

such a part of my life

0:58

is embarrassing myself all the time

1:00

and, you know, having silly things

1:02

happen. And so now it's just

1:04

like, I'm not afraid of it

1:06

anymore, it's just part of what

1:08

happens. Just embrace it. So, for

1:10

example, when Joyce went to Good

1:12

Morning America. and was going to be

1:14

on there. I was able to go

1:16

with her and we pulled up in

1:19

New York City at the studio and

1:21

there's paparazzi outside and they're yelling

1:23

at Joyce and taking pictures. She

1:25

gets out and Dave gets out.

1:27

I'm the last one to get

1:29

out of the car. And I

1:31

go to step out and... You

1:33

know, you think you'd like to

1:35

make a graceful entrance? I just

1:37

tumbled to the ground. Wasn't a

1:39

car, it was an SUV. Yes,

1:41

makes it taller. Yeah, and I

1:44

just, I just tumbled down the

1:46

steps and laid there as they

1:48

took pictures. Oh, like, you fell

1:50

out of the SUV. I fell out

1:52

of it. And, you know, fortunately, nobody

1:54

cared what I was doing. You know,

1:57

they were there to take pictures of

1:59

Joyce and none of it. But the

2:01

point is when you're sitting there after

2:04

you've fallen out of the SUV, you

2:06

think perfect. This is just what I

2:08

wanted. This is the entrance I wanted

2:11

to make. How long did you sit

2:13

there? Because when those moments happen, you

2:15

have to decide. Do I just pretend

2:18

I'm fine and everything? Jump up and

2:20

say I meant to do that. Yeah,

2:22

that wasn't going to work. I don't

2:25

think I sat there a long time.

2:27

I know I got up laughing. Oh.

2:29

Because that's just, you know, the natural

2:32

thing for me. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. But

2:34

we walked on in the studio. I

2:36

did have like a grapefruit on my

2:39

elbow after falling because I bumped it

2:41

really good. Pended into a nasty bruise.

2:43

Yeah. Did you see all that happened?

2:46

No. Because she had gone first. So

2:48

she was ahead. Oh, I wish you

2:50

had seen it. Would you have stopped

2:53

for her or would you have? Well,

2:55

I would have been concerned. I probably

2:57

wouldn't have laughed. Me either. I wouldn't

3:00

have either. Well, I kind of could.

3:02

Thank you. When I told Aaron originally

3:04

she laughed very hard, which it is

3:07

funny. The aftermath of it is funny.

3:09

I've learned to laugh at myself too.

3:11

Things that I used to get, you

3:14

know, mad about, it's too bad. Yeah.

3:16

Life's too short. Whatever. And that's part

3:18

of the fears I think that we

3:21

all have is that it's what might

3:23

happen What what am I going to

3:25

do that will make me look silly?

3:28

What's going to happen in the world

3:30

that I have no control over? Exactly.

3:32

Yeah, that fear rejection is huge. So

3:35

all those things we want to talk

3:37

about maybe a healthier way Yeah, to

3:39

deal with those fears and you know

3:42

people have a lot of unique

3:44

fears. I mean things that

3:47

you might not ever think

3:49

of. And whatever it is

3:51

you might be afraid of,

3:54

you don't need to feel

3:56

silly or you can talk

3:58

to God. about it, you

4:00

can talk to a good friend about it.

4:03

I think one of the worst things

4:05

that we do is try to hide

4:07

things. And then those things that are

4:09

hidden become like little pots of

4:12

poison on the inside of you. Very

4:14

true. When I shared, it was years

4:16

ago when we first started doing the

4:18

show, I think I shared a couple

4:20

of my fears. And I was so

4:23

embarrassed, but I thought that we'll just

4:25

tell our. tell like it is. And

4:27

I remember hearing other people say, oh

4:29

me too. And the freedom that I

4:31

felt, that I am not the only

4:34

one that has these ridiculous fears.

4:36

And it wasn't that it was

4:38

the same, it's the fact that

4:40

I'm not alone in having to

4:43

work out these things and figure

4:45

out how to handle them. It's

4:47

like when you shared that you

4:49

sleep in socks. Yes. A lot

4:51

of people were right there with

4:53

you. I can't. Couldn't do that.

4:56

Oh, don't your toes cold? You

4:58

can't really? Yeah, they are. Maybe we

5:00

better talk about something that

5:02

people actually need. This scares

5:04

me. Do you think there

5:06

are so many things in

5:08

the world today that are

5:11

naturally fear provoking? Right? I mean,

5:13

here we are looking at a new

5:15

year that you don't know what's coming

5:17

ahead. The fear of the unknown is

5:19

one of the biggest things for all

5:22

of us to deal with. How do

5:24

you suggest that we work

5:26

through, maybe that's the best

5:29

way to say it, because I

5:31

don't know that we'll ever

5:33

completely stop varying. So how

5:36

do you work through some of

5:38

those fear of the unknown things?

5:40

Well, first of all, I think

5:42

that trusting God has a lot

5:45

to do with this. Like

5:47

there's so many random

5:49

shootings and things that... could

5:51

make a person just be afraid

5:53

to even go out their front door.

5:56

And I'm just not afraid. I just,

5:58

I don't ever think. like that.

6:00

But I believe that's because

6:02

I trust God with my life,

6:05

you know. I'm not leaving this

6:07

earth unless it's my time to

6:09

leave. And so nobody really can

6:11

do anything to me because God's

6:13

got me. That's such a good

6:16

point because bad things do happen.

6:18

Yeah. They do. It tells us

6:20

in the Bible. I mean, yeah,

6:22

really will have trials. Right. But

6:24

all of it's out of our

6:26

control, and it's all in his

6:28

control. And fear is not going

6:30

to change it. So we're going

6:32

to begin with Joyce telling us in

6:34

a teaching that we do not

6:36

have to be wimpy, fearful Christians,

6:39

which is important news, and it

6:41

might change a lot of our

6:43

lives. We've heard it said, I

6:45

haven't personally counted them, but I've

6:48

heard it enough that I believe

6:50

it. There are 365 fear-nots in

6:52

the Bible, one for every day

6:54

of the year. I think that's a

6:56

good indication of God letting us

6:58

know that fear may come to

7:01

us every single day in some

7:03

way. And tonight I want to

7:05

teach you about the fear of trouble,

7:07

trials, and tribulation. And I

7:10

just want to start

7:12

out by saying that there's really

7:14

no need to fear them. I

7:17

can promise you that you'll have

7:19

them. A

7:23

girl said to me one time

7:25

a friend of mine, she

7:27

was in her early 40s

7:29

and she'd gotten pregnant for

7:31

the first time and she was

7:33

really afraid of giving

7:36

birth. And she said, I'm just

7:38

so afraid that it's going to

7:40

hurt. I said, I can solve

7:42

that for you. You can? I

7:45

said, you don't have to be

7:47

afraid of it, it will hurt.

7:51

But millions of women have

7:53

done it and they're still

7:55

alive We can't let ourselves

7:57

start to fear something that

7:59

is sure to happen anyway because

8:01

if we fear it it's only going

8:04

to make the pain of it all

8:06

that much worse. You know yourself

8:08

even if you have pain somewhere

8:10

in your body. Like I've had my

8:12

chiropractor say when my back got

8:14

hurt about a year and a

8:17

half ago and it was it

8:19

was really pretty bad. That was

8:21

when I started using this

8:23

chair and since then I've decided

8:25

I like it. Old enough I

8:27

can do what I want to

8:30

and sometimes I want to sit

8:32

down so that's that You get

8:34

bolder when you get older, you

8:36

know that? You're not trying

8:39

to impress anybody anymore

8:41

You're not you know,

8:43

you're just pretty much

8:45

free to be who you are

8:47

and Do what you please you know

8:49

and he's told me you know try

8:52

not to tense up and be

8:54

too careful or if your neck is hurt,

8:56

the more you do this. So the more

8:58

we're afraid of the pain, the worse that

9:01

it gets. And it's that way in any

9:03

area of life. What do they tell you

9:05

to do when you're giving birth? Breathe, relax,

9:08

breathe, relax. And so I just

9:10

want to use that principle and share

9:12

with you tonight that anything that you

9:14

fear, the fearing of it is going

9:17

to make it worse. If you know

9:19

you're going to have to go through

9:21

it anyway, then it's totally useless to

9:23

fear it. What you need

9:25

to say is God is God is

9:28

going to give me the grace when

9:30

the time comes and I can do

9:32

whatever I need to do

9:34

through Christ who strengthens me.

9:36

Life is not easy. We all know

9:38

that. But God has equipped us

9:41

with the supernatural power of

9:43

the Holy Spirit to do

9:45

difficult things with a smile on

9:47

our face and joy in our

9:49

heart. We are an anointed

9:52

by the Holy Spirit for

9:54

hard. Amen? Did you hear

9:56

me? We are anointed by the

9:58

Holy Spirit for heart. We don't

10:00

have to have everything easy. We

10:02

are not wimpy. We are full

10:05

of the Holy Ghost. Warriors. We

10:07

have the power of God in

10:09

our lives to enable us to

10:11

do great things. That's so encouraging.

10:13

I mean that alone that... God

10:15

helps us through all the things

10:18

that we are anointed to be

10:20

able to do hard things because

10:22

of him who strengthens us. That

10:24

alone takes a lot of the

10:26

edge off of that fear. Yeah,

10:29

there are hard things in life

10:31

and we don't even have to

10:33

look ahead and be afraid. You

10:35

know, after the way I was

10:37

raised, I grew up rooted in

10:39

fear because of the abuse from

10:42

my dad. Really, that's the main

10:44

thing I remember about my childhood

10:46

was just fear being afraid all

10:48

the time and it's it's such

10:50

a terrible way to live but

10:52

You know now that I know

10:55

who I am in Christ and

10:57

I know that The same power

10:59

that raised him from the dead

11:01

dwells in me and that I

11:03

can do all things through Christ

11:05

who strengthens me. I think if

11:08

you see yourself that way, yeah,

11:10

and you think of yourself that

11:12

way then you will automatically respond

11:14

differently to things that because of

11:16

the way I was raised, I

11:19

grew up just, I always had

11:21

this feeling around me in my

11:23

atmosphere like waiting for the next

11:25

problem to happen because I had

11:27

so many problems. Yeah, I understand.

11:29

And I think I thought, you

11:32

know... Well, if I expected problems,

11:34

then I wouldn't be disappointed when

11:36

they came. And God has done

11:38

such a work in me, you

11:40

know, I was so negative, and

11:42

now I'm very positive, and I

11:45

was fearful, and now I'm bold.

11:47

And, you know, we just want

11:49

people to know that if you're

11:51

afraid, you don't have to stay

11:53

afraid. The word fear actually means

11:56

in the Greek, it's called phobos,

11:58

and it literally means flight. are

12:00

to run away from things. Yeah. And

12:02

what God wants us to do is

12:04

face things. The only way that you

12:07

can overcome fear is by

12:09

confronting that fear. And I

12:11

remember when God told me it

12:13

was time for me to go

12:15

and confront my dad about what

12:17

he had done to me. And we had,

12:20

you know, the crazy thing about

12:22

sexual abuse is you don't

12:24

talk about it. Nobody talks about

12:27

it. It just happens and then nobody.

12:29

talks about it. So I'd never,

12:31

you know, talk to him. I mean, I tried a couple

12:33

of times to get him to stop. I wrote him a

12:35

letter once and, you know, he would just get madder and

12:37

madder. And so I went in the power of God and

12:39

I was shaking. I mean, I was shaking like crazy. But

12:41

I sat down in front of him. He was sitting

12:43

in a recliner and I sat down on the floor

12:46

and I said, it's time we need to talk about what

12:48

you did to talk about what you did to me when

12:50

you did to me when I was a me when I was a

12:52

kid when I was a kid when I was a kid when I

12:54

was a kid when I was a kid when I was a

12:56

kid. response was just to get

12:58

really angry. That had to

13:00

be really intimidating. It was

13:02

a scary thing to do. It

13:04

was important for me though to

13:06

do that because you can't, the

13:09

longer you run from things and

13:11

hide from things, the more they

13:13

have power over you. But if

13:16

we confront them in the power

13:18

of God, it begins to take that

13:20

power away from that enemy

13:22

that's trying to rule you.

13:24

with that fear. And if you,

13:26

what you run from, when you

13:28

run from things, God always takes

13:31

you back and makes you face

13:33

them. You know, Moses ran from

13:35

Egypt and God sent him

13:37

back to Egypt. Yeah. Yeah. They

13:39

come back around, don't they? Yeah,

13:41

they did. I bet that was very,

13:44

like you said, very intimidating and

13:46

scary. So how did

13:48

you know that it was... Was it the

13:51

Holy Spirit that showed you it's the time

13:53

to do this even though you were probably

13:55

really scared or how did you know when

13:57

to lean into going forward even through

13:59

the fear? Or this is not a

14:01

good choice, I need to not

14:03

do it. Well, actually, God had

14:05

put on my heart months and

14:08

months before that the time is

14:10

going to come when I'm going

14:12

to tell you to go and

14:14

confront your dad. So he prepared

14:16

you. And he said, it's not

14:18

now. But I want you to

14:20

know that it's coming. And so

14:23

that did kind of help prepare

14:25

me. And one night, all I

14:27

heard was it's time. And I

14:29

knew exactly what he meant. And

14:31

I didn't really get into a

14:33

lot of thinking about it. I

14:35

just had made my mind up.

14:37

I was going to do what

14:40

God told me to. I got

14:42

up. I told Dave it's time

14:44

because I had told him what

14:46

I felt like God has said

14:48

to me. And we just went

14:50

and did it. And the conversation

14:52

wasn't too long because he got

14:55

very upset. But he started trying

14:57

to blame it on me. And

14:59

I said, Everything that I did,

15:01

I did because I was petrified

15:03

of you. You controlled me with

15:05

fear. And then he got like

15:07

this different look on his face.

15:10

I think he lied to himself

15:12

to justify what he was doing

15:14

that I actually liked what he

15:16

was doing, which was stupid. And

15:18

of course my mother was there

15:20

in the house and it never

15:22

been brought out in the open

15:25

to her, although she knew about

15:27

it. didn't do anything about it.

15:29

So it was quite a dramatic

15:31

scene, but I did what God

15:33

told me to do. And there

15:35

were other talks that we had

15:37

later, but that was the first

15:39

opening to say what you did

15:42

was wrong. And I need you

15:44

to know that I know. that

15:46

it was wrong. So essentially you've

15:48

talked to everyone about doing it

15:50

afraid and that's what you had

15:52

to do. I had to do

15:54

it if you knew that it

15:57

was time, you had a lot

15:59

of fear. but you had to

16:01

face that fear and do it

16:03

anyway. And it didn't really go

16:05

the way I'm sure you had

16:07

hoped that it would go. No, I

16:10

was hoping that he would, you

16:12

know, repent and so he was

16:14

sorry. But the way I got

16:16

this teaching on Do It Afraid

16:18

was, I read a story about

16:20

a woman who, she's a Christian

16:23

woman, but she had just

16:25

let fear control her. for

16:28

many many years of her

16:30

life. And she was telling

16:32

a friend of hers all about,

16:34

you know, I can't, I can't go

16:37

out and drive at night, I

16:39

can't, you know, tell all these

16:41

things, I'm afraid, I'm afraid,

16:43

I'm afraid, I'm afraid, I'm

16:45

afraid. And her Christian

16:48

friend just looked at

16:50

her and very calmly said,

16:52

well, why don't you just

16:54

do it afraid? Yeah. doesn't

16:56

mean you can't do something. I

16:59

mean, if your knees are shaking, you

17:01

can still do it. And

17:03

it doesn't mean it'll go

17:05

perfectly either. Doesn't mean it'll

17:07

go perfectly. But we let

17:09

fear stop us. And the

17:11

thing is, is that faith is the

17:14

only thing that will overcome and

17:16

conquer fear. There are two

17:18

opposing forces. We receive everything

17:21

that we receive from God

17:23

by faith. And we receive. the

17:26

lies and the torments of

17:28

Satan through fear. And so we,

17:30

the thing to do is to start

17:32

facing the fears and just remember

17:35

that fear means to take

17:37

flight or to run away

17:39

from. And you can't, you'll

17:41

never get rid of the

17:43

fear if you don't face it.

17:45

Yeah. This teaching, you're teaching

17:47

and do it afraid has

17:50

drastically changed my life because...

17:52

Some of that is just by

17:54

nature my personality to be

17:57

a like to have I like to

17:59

have control And so I like

18:01

to know what's going to come.

18:03

And so it feels very scary

18:05

to me to not be able

18:07

to see the future in some

18:09

aspects. It's not all aspects of

18:11

life, but there are certain areas

18:13

where that lack of control makes

18:15

me feel really uncomfortable. It feels

18:17

scary. And so to flip the

18:19

script that I'm not, I think

18:21

you call us at some point,

18:23

not puny, pathetic. Christians. That I

18:25

am not pathetic. Whimpy. Whimpy. Yeah,

18:28

yeah. And you said that today

18:30

too. That I'm not wimpy. That

18:32

I have the power and authority

18:34

that Christ has given me. Like

18:36

if I walk in that I

18:38

should stand upright and know that

18:40

yes this might be hard and

18:42

this might be scary and I

18:44

might fall on my face. But

18:46

if even if I can still

18:48

do it and I can still

18:50

take a step forward and I

18:52

think that. It is a whole

18:54

perspective shift in our minds to

18:56

see ourselves with that authority in

18:58

Christ and not just as a

19:00

sweet little Christian who I might

19:02

get hurt or might go bad

19:04

and I might fail. That changes

19:06

my posture and how I approach

19:09

things. And to make your mind

19:11

up ahead of time, I will

19:13

not live in fear. No. Even

19:15

to confess that out loud several

19:17

times a day, especially if you're

19:19

afraid, I will not live in

19:21

fear or you're with me. I'll

19:23

give you an example in my

19:25

life. And this is kind of

19:27

a two-part fear, maybe. I don't

19:29

know. But I remember reading, me

19:31

in my big mouth, years and

19:33

years ago, long before I worked

19:35

at Joyce Meyer Ministries, and it

19:37

talked about how Satan can't hear

19:39

our thoughts, but he will take

19:41

advantages of the things that we

19:43

say and use them against us.

19:45

Well, then I became afraid to

19:47

say, you know, oh no, you

19:50

know, if I say a fear

19:52

out loud, then Satan's going to

19:54

use it against me. Well, I'm

19:56

not naturally a real fearful person,

19:58

you know, but there are those

20:00

things that can... really wreak havoc

20:02

on me, you know? And so

20:04

one of those is illness,

20:06

especially, you know, like

20:08

stomach issues and I

20:10

really don't like to

20:13

vomit. I don't like

20:15

it. And so I start

20:17

to get fearful when I

20:20

start to not feel well.

20:22

Yeah. And so over the

20:24

past few days, you know, Tim,

20:27

my husband was out of town and

20:29

I started not feeling well. And

20:31

I started getting fearful. What will I

20:33

do? You know, I'm gonna start getting

20:35

really sick. There's no one here to

20:38

help me. You know, what if I

20:40

need to get to a doctor? You

20:42

start thinking all of those things. Well,

20:44

it doesn't do any good to think

20:47

those things because you figure it out

20:49

if and when it comes. But instead

20:51

it becomes worse and physically you start

20:54

to get worse because you're thinking in

20:56

that way. And so that's just one

20:58

of those areas that I can get

21:01

fearful. And of course it

21:03

happened. I was so sick for

21:05

24 hours or whatever it may

21:08

be, but I survived. And you

21:10

know, you kind of have to

21:12

look back at those things and

21:14

think, You know, God walked me through

21:17

it. And you had at least

21:19

a hundred people here. You could

21:21

call for help. Oh, absolutely. So

21:23

many of those fears really aren't

21:26

founded. It's not like anything is

21:28

contingent on the one thing that

21:30

you're afraid of. Yeah. Yeah. I

21:33

think it's so important that we

21:35

remember to do that, that we

21:37

look back on what we came.

21:39

Yes. Even though it was scary

21:42

and even though my knees were

21:44

shaking. Right. And David said that

21:46

when he was facing Goliath. He

21:48

remembered the bear and the lion.

21:50

Right. That he had killed with his

21:53

own hands. And that gave him the

21:55

strength to not run from Goliath,

21:57

which everybody else was doing.

22:00

Right. So is it okay to

22:02

admit our fears? Sure. Yeah. I

22:04

think like like everything, the more

22:06

you hide it, the longer you're

22:08

going to keep it. Yeah. No,

22:10

that's really true. To bring it

22:12

out in the open. And who

22:14

cares if somebody thinks you're silly

22:16

or, you know, like afraid to

22:18

wear socks or not to wear

22:20

socks or whatever? It's like, yeah.

22:22

We've all got our own stuff.

22:24

You know, it would not. frighten

22:26

me at all to stand up

22:28

in front of 10 million people

22:30

and talk. But I don't I

22:32

don't would not like to go

22:34

into a fast food restaurant if

22:36

I wasn't eating there and ask

22:38

if I could use the bathroom

22:40

or if I could have a

22:43

cup of water. So there's just

22:45

certain things that yeah you know

22:47

we all have our buttons yeah

22:49

I wanted to ask a question

22:51

about Because you shared your story

22:53

of when you talked to your

22:55

dad. I imagine you had kids

22:57

in the house at that time?

22:59

Oh yeah. So how did you

23:01

navigate walking through fear while you're

23:03

also trying to probably teach your

23:05

kids to not walk in fear?

23:07

Because it's a really interesting dynamic

23:09

for me to teach my kids.

23:11

We don't have to be afraid.

23:13

We're going to do it afraid.

23:15

And me thinking, but I'm terrified

23:17

and I don't want to do

23:19

something either. Well, I don't think

23:21

I was showing them that particular

23:23

fear that I had, you know,

23:25

I kept that hidden and, you

23:28

know, I tried to teach my

23:30

kids not to be afraid when

23:32

they manifested fear in their life,

23:34

but just because you have a

23:36

fear, I don't think that means

23:38

that's automatically going to get off

23:40

on one of your kids. You

23:42

know, you still continue to encourage

23:44

them. I mean, I think it's

23:46

good sometimes to say, you know,

23:48

mommy has things that she... is

23:50

afraid of too, but I just

23:52

face them and conquer them in

23:54

the power of Jesus. Sure. Well

23:56

that is one of those things

23:58

though that is every parent's fear

24:00

is that something will happen to

24:02

our kids. Yeah. And... Yeah, so

24:04

even trusting God, praying over your

24:06

children, it's a really hard thing

24:08

to do and not walk in

24:11

fear at times when we're starting

24:13

something new with them or something

24:15

could go wrong. So what advice

24:17

do you have for parents

24:19

with something like that?

24:21

Trust. Yeah. Trusting God,

24:24

praying over your children.

24:26

I still, my youngest child

24:28

is now 45. I still pray

24:30

pretty much every day that

24:32

God will protect my children,

24:34

my grandchildren, my

24:37

great-grandchildren, which I now

24:39

have 10 of, and Dave and

24:41

I, from accidents and from sickness

24:44

and disease, and that his

24:46

protection will be honest. And

24:48

so if you pray in faith

24:50

believing, now you've done your part,

24:52

you know, if something does happen,

24:55

then you deal with it. You

24:57

know the way that you need

25:00

to deal with it according

25:02

to whatever the situation is

25:04

but Everything really if you

25:06

want to have any peace It

25:08

always at least for me now

25:11

it it always comes down to

25:13

one thing and that's trust

25:15

God. Yeah and peace really is

25:17

the key isn't it? Huh? Having

25:19

peace. Oh, yeah. Is so much

25:22

better than walking in fear. And

25:24

it's just like Trust God

25:26

there's so many things going on

25:28

in the world today If you

25:30

don't trust God you go crazy. Yeah,

25:32

I mean you just you can't Yeah,

25:34

you can't be afraid of things. I

25:36

mean you can be but you just

25:39

gonna be miserable if you are

25:41

and so Faith Overcomes fear and

25:43

if we walk in faith trusting God

25:45

to Take care of us. He says

25:47

he loves us and that he'll he

25:49

will take care of us. You know the

25:52

Lord is my shepherd. I shall not

25:54

want you know Even though I go through

25:56

the valley of the shadow of death, I will

25:58

not fear for you or with me. And when

26:00

you get afraid, there's a lot

26:03

of scriptures that you can meditate

26:05

on, the people in the Bible

26:07

were afraid. When God called Jeremiah,

26:09

Jeremiah was afraid. He said, I'm

26:12

too young, I'm this and that.

26:14

You know, different people. Moses told

26:16

God, I'm not this, I'm not

26:18

a good speaker, I'm not, I'm

26:21

not. The thing is, is God

26:23

already knows what we're not. And

26:25

he uses the weak and the

26:27

foolish things of the world to

26:30

confound the wise. And when I

26:32

look back at how much time

26:34

I wasted in fear and the

26:36

things worked out anyway. You know,

26:39

it's, I just want to, I

26:41

don't want to do that anymore.

26:43

And another thing that we have

26:46

to be careful of is dread.

26:48

Because dread is like the first

26:50

cousin of fear. And I just

26:52

decided I'm going to go somewhere

26:55

the other day and be with

26:57

some people that I didn't particularly

26:59

want to be with. And they

27:01

had hurt me in the past

27:04

and it's just usually not a

27:06

comfortable situation for me. And I

27:08

just decided I'm going to go

27:10

in there. I'm going to be

27:13

friendly. I am going to take

27:15

the initiative and be friendly. And

27:17

three or four times that week

27:19

I had to say, I will

27:22

not dread this, because I would

27:24

start, I'd feel that dread, you

27:26

know. And if you let dread

27:29

go, it will turn into fear.

27:31

Yeah. No, that's really helpful to

27:33

know how to handle that, because

27:35

you just had to draw a

27:38

line. Yeah. You have to make

27:40

your mind up. I mean, it's

27:42

amazing how our thoughts, the effect

27:44

that our thoughts have on us.

27:47

Absolutely. And the Bible tells us

27:49

to cast down. wrong thoughts and

27:51

imaginations and take every thought captive

27:53

under the obedience of Jesus Christ

27:56

in second Corinthians 10 take every

27:58

thought captive under the obedient of

28:00

Jesus Christ. And in the beginning,

28:02

that's just like, my gosh, I spend

28:05

the whole day casting down and

28:07

every thought. So many thoughts. Casting

28:09

down and coming back. But

28:11

gradually a little bit at a

28:13

time as your mind is renewed

28:15

according to the word of God, the minute

28:18

you feel fear, you recognize

28:20

it and you know that's not the

28:22

way you're supposed to feel. So you

28:24

can say, I will not fear, I will

28:27

walk in faith. And what you say

28:29

even to yourself. And we do all

28:31

talk to ourselves. We do. What we

28:33

say is very important. I think

28:35

we believe more of what we say

28:37

than what anybody else says. When I

28:40

was a kid, I was very terrified

28:42

to go to sleep at night at

28:44

a certain age. And so I remember

28:46

my dad would come in and he taught

28:48

me Psalm 23. And so we would

28:50

say it over and over and every

28:52

night. And that got... so deep in my

28:55

heart that even as an adult if

28:57

I feel fear then sometimes that scripture

28:59

will come back up and I think

29:01

so now I've taught it to my

29:03

son who deals with some fear and

29:05

when the power of the word in

29:07

our hearts just makes such an impact

29:09

in those moments of fear that even

29:11

though the fear might not have gone

29:13

away it gave me the strength to

29:15

walk through that fear right so That's

29:17

really important too because I think

29:19

sometimes we think that as I

29:21

get older and more spiritually mature,

29:23

somehow I won't have to deal

29:25

with these things anymore. Like I'll

29:28

get past the level of needing

29:30

to guard my thoughts and it

29:32

really doesn't work that way. We

29:34

always have to be aware of

29:36

our thoughts and when fear or

29:38

dread or whatever is creeping in.

29:40

You're talking about people in the

29:42

Bible who had those issues. Jeremiah

29:44

said I can't do it. it

29:46

because I'm too young. Sarah said

29:49

I can't do it because I'm

29:51

too old. I mean there's always

29:53

something that Satan will plan in

29:55

our minds to remind us of

29:57

why we need to be afraid.

29:59

what we can't handle, all of

30:02

those things. And if we have

30:04

the word of God so ingrained

30:06

in us that that is our

30:08

first response, it doesn't mean that

30:10

we have to be ashamed of

30:13

the fear that we faced because

30:15

we've learned how to handle it.

30:17

So it makes such a huge

30:19

difference. It does. I also think

30:21

too that we sometimes put ourselves

30:23

in situations that. invoke more fear

30:26

oh yeah I think of like

30:28

the fear of rejection when I

30:30

spend my days on social media

30:32

and I'm constantly in taking all

30:34

of this content from people that

30:37

I'll never measure up to or

30:39

I see that I wasn't invited

30:41

to this thing or whatever it

30:43

is that I'm consuming that's adding

30:45

fuel to the fire and suddenly

30:47

I'm more afraid of the things

30:50

I'm missing or that I'll never

30:52

measure up to yeah maybe I

30:54

should cut that off and I

30:56

should Pay attention to the word

30:58

more than I am to the

31:01

world the words of the world

31:03

well I never looked to see

31:05

what people are saying about me,

31:07

but Few months ago. I thought

31:09

I'm just gonna look up Joyce

31:11

Meyer That was a mistake Don't

31:14

do it again because you know

31:16

there was just lie after lie

31:18

after lie people just saying things

31:20

that just We're not even a

31:22

tiny bit True. And people who

31:25

judge and criticize you are always

31:27

people that don't really know you.

31:29

And people who judge you for

31:31

what you're doing are usually not

31:33

doing anything themselves. And so you're

31:35

better off just not to look

31:38

at all that junk because it

31:40

just, even when you don't want

31:42

it to have an effect on

31:44

you, it can still just bother

31:46

you that people think that of

31:48

you. It's natural to want to

31:51

be well thought of. Yeah, absolutely.

31:53

Yeah. Are there other things that

31:55

can stir up fear in our

31:57

lives? I know a lot of

31:59

people just can't really take in

32:02

too much news. Yeah. Because there's

32:04

so much in the world that

32:06

is uncertain and so much that's

32:08

going on. And of course the

32:10

negative news is what leads everything.

32:12

So that's one of the things

32:15

that I've heard a lot of

32:17

people talking about is making the

32:19

choices in your own life,

32:21

not to be hidden from

32:23

truth, but how much can

32:25

you handle and what is good

32:27

for you and what is not?

32:30

Any kind of a movie where

32:32

there's any kind of attack

32:34

on a woman I just She

32:36

just cannot do it because

32:38

then she'll just start getting

32:41

afraid You know that something's

32:43

gonna happen to her. Yeah, or

32:45

one of her girls and If if you

32:47

can't handle it, then it's

32:50

better Then there's no need

32:52

to do it. Don't do it not

32:54

not to do it. Yeah, and So each

32:56

person has to decide for themselves, is

32:58

this something that I need to confront?

33:00

I think we need to confront things

33:02

that are keeping us from doing the

33:05

things that God wants us to do.

33:07

Like one woman that we talked to

33:09

who was afraid of flying. Right. And

33:11

she knew that there were things that

33:13

she needed to do when she had

33:16

to confront that fear so she could

33:18

go where God wanted her to her

33:20

to. Yeah. But she would not go

33:22

unless they drove and he was a

33:25

very busy man. He didn't have

33:27

time to drive everywhere. And she

33:29

flies all the time now. But you

33:31

know, the first time when you're breaking

33:33

that bondage off of your life,

33:35

like I said, I mean, I would,

33:37

like for years and years, I

33:40

never talked to anybody about

33:42

what my dad was doing to me.

33:44

And I was probably... in

33:47

my early 20s before I ever

33:49

told anybody. And when I first

33:51

started to talk about it, I would

33:53

shake and I would start shaking and

33:56

sometimes even after I was finished

33:58

talking about it, I might shake. for

34:00

two or three hours after

34:02

that trying to get myself

34:04

calmed down. Well now that

34:06

doesn't happen at all. You

34:08

know I told the whole

34:10

world what what happened to

34:12

me in an effort to

34:14

help them. Right. And it's

34:16

just a matter of pressing

34:18

through things but you know

34:21

let's just talk for a

34:23

minute about the opposing force.

34:25

Let's talk about about faith.

34:27

In Hebrew's 116 it says

34:29

without faith. It is impossible

34:31

to please God, because anyone

34:33

who comes to him must

34:35

believe that he exists and

34:37

that he rewards those who

34:39

earnestly seek him. So those

34:41

are two things. God is,

34:43

and he's good. He's a

34:45

rewarder of those who earnestly

34:47

seek him. Without faith, we

34:49

cannot receive and walk in

34:51

God's good plan for our

34:53

lives. And he is not

34:56

pleased until we do, because

34:58

he wants us to have

35:00

good lives. And so if

35:02

we don't have faith, it

35:04

doesn't please him, because then

35:06

we can't receive from him.

35:08

Well, naturally, Satan is going

35:10

to come against that, trying

35:12

to give us the exact

35:14

opposite of what God wants

35:16

to give us. John 628,

35:18

they ask him, what must

35:20

we do to be doing

35:22

the works that God requires?

35:25

And Jesus said, this is the

35:27

work that God requires of you

35:29

that you believe in the one

35:31

whom he has sent. It always

35:34

comes back to that faith and

35:36

believing. John 1140, then Jesus said,

35:38

did I tell you that if

35:40

you believe you would see the

35:42

glory of God? And I've just

35:44

got scripture after scripture after scripture.

35:46

But, you know, maybe instead of

35:48

trying to fight all these fears,

35:51

we just need to practice more...

35:53

believing and yeah that's good. Stay

35:55

on the positive side like the

35:57

Bible says walk in the spirit

35:59

and you won't fulfill the lust

36:01

of the flesh. It doesn't say

36:03

fight with the lust of the

36:06

flesh and then you'll be able

36:08

to walk in the spirit. That's

36:10

so good. Yeah. Because then you

36:12

walk in a situation. I can

36:14

just think of a couple examples

36:16

where instead of me walking in

36:18

and thinking, I'm not going to

36:21

be afraid of this, I'm thinking

36:23

I am the daughter of the

36:25

most high. I am called and

36:27

equipped to do this and he

36:29

will give me what I need. And

36:31

what a different way that is to

36:33

go into a circumstance. I wrote

36:35

a book on habits about making

36:38

good habits and breaking

36:40

bad habits. But I didn't

36:42

call it breaking bad habits

36:44

and making good habits.

36:46

I talked about making good

36:48

habits and breaking bad habits.

36:50

And the principle there is,

36:52

is instead of me fighting

36:55

with the bad habit and

36:57

always trying to stop this,

36:59

I can't do this, I've

37:01

got to stop this, I'm

37:03

resisting it, I'm against it, I

37:05

need to just practice doing the

37:08

right thing. Excuse me, there'll be

37:10

no... Give me some water. There'll

37:12

be no room for the bad

37:14

thing in my life. And I

37:17

think we go at so many

37:19

things the wrong way like that.

37:21

We try to fight with the

37:24

negative instead of just filling our

37:26

thoughts and actions with the

37:29

positive. So it doesn't lead...

37:31

I mean like, when you cast down

37:33

a wrong thought... Then

37:36

there's room for you to think a

37:38

good thought, but if you cast down

37:40

a wrong thought and don't replace it

37:42

with a good one, the wrong one's

37:44

going to come right back. Would you

37:46

teach about the words that we say?

37:49

Yeah. You don't just stop saying negative

37:51

things. I now have to say the positive in

37:53

its place. Well, when Jesus talked

37:55

about casting out demons, he

37:58

said, if you cast the demon out,

38:00

empty, then he'll just go get seven

38:02

more and bring him back and bring

38:04

him back. Bring his friends. Your life?

38:07

And he'll be worse than your first.

38:09

So he was basically saying, we're going

38:11

to get rid of the evil in

38:14

your life, but now you need to

38:16

do good things. So that evil can't

38:18

find a place to get back in.

38:21

So it's not enough just to say,

38:23

I'm not going to be afraid. I'm

38:25

not going to be afraid. I'm not

38:28

going to be afraid. I mean, you...

38:30

could try to work something up in

38:32

yourself, which is like a false bravado,

38:35

but that doesn't do it. It's not

38:37

going to be sustained when something does

38:39

happen. Instead, you have to know why

38:41

you don't have to be afraid. Right.

38:44

And you think, you know, I'm not

38:46

giving fear anymore my attention. Yeah. I'm

38:48

going to pay attention to faith. And

38:51

fill yourself full of... faith scriptures and

38:53

read books on faith and read books

38:55

on believing and you know we believe

38:58

something all the time so why not

39:00

believe the good things yeah when you're

39:02

afraid you're believing something bad's going to

39:05

happen so why it's just as it's

39:07

just as easy and a lot more

39:09

fun yeah to believe that something good

39:12

is going to happen and some people

39:14

might say well what you know and

39:16

this was kind of my attitude well

39:19

if I believe that And then it

39:21

doesn't happen, I'm going to be disappointed.

39:23

I'd rather, I always say, I'd rather

39:26

believe for a lot and get part

39:28

of it than believe for nothing and

39:30

get all of it. Yeah, that's not

39:33

true. I kind of had a revelation

39:35

in the last year that when you

39:37

fear something happening, there's no grace covering

39:40

you yet because it hasn't happened. You

39:42

don't need God's grace for it. But

39:44

when you walk through something that's really

39:46

difficult or hard or scary, God gives

39:49

you the grace to walk through that

39:51

situation that situation. we had something happen

39:53

and I experienced God's grace kick in

39:56

in a way that it didn't take

39:58

away from the pain. of the situation

40:00

it was still awful but yet God's

40:03

peace and grace was there so we had

40:05

what we needed and I thought I've

40:07

I had worried about something like this

40:09

for so many years and then when

40:11

it happened yes it's still awful but

40:13

God gave us what we need right and

40:15

I just think that we we would save

40:17

so much energy yeah you're right not

40:19

have to even mess with that until

40:22

it's time and he gives you what

40:24

you need to walk through it. Because

40:26

rather than just during this difficult time

40:28

that you're walking through it, which is

40:30

really really hard, but like you said,

40:33

God is with you, he's helping you,

40:35

it doesn't always make it feel better

40:37

at the moment, but it will in

40:40

the long run. Instead of just having

40:42

this timeline that you had to deal

40:44

with it, if you're afraid of it,

40:47

then you have this timeline that you

40:49

have to deal with it because of

40:51

all the fear leading up to it.

40:53

And you just take a bad situation

40:56

and you expand on it incredibly. And

40:58

it takes so much out of us,

41:01

like you were saying, to

41:03

even be in that fear

41:05

all the time. It's exhausting.

41:07

And you know, fear is

41:09

not just afraid of things in

41:11

the future. Fear can also

41:14

be afraid of things in

41:16

the past. I made a

41:18

mistake now and I'll never

41:20

get opened. You know, I've

41:23

totally messed this up. I

41:25

send and now God won't forgive

41:27

me. You know, I blew

41:30

my opportunity now, I'll never

41:32

get another one. We need

41:34

to apply faith in all

41:36

areas of our life. Bible

41:39

says that faith is the

41:41

substance of things hoped

41:43

for. The evidence of

41:45

things not seen. So fear is the

41:47

substance of things we don't hope for.

41:50

Yeah. And God wants us to be

41:52

full of hope. Hope has become really

41:54

important to me in the last few

41:56

years when I really studied it out

41:58

and found out that. Bible hope

42:00

is not like this, well,

42:02

the world's kind of hopeful.

42:05

I, you know, I really

42:07

hope it happens, but I

42:09

don't know, you know, it

42:11

probably won't, or maybe it

42:13

will, but I hope it

42:15

will. Bible hope is believing

42:17

that something good is just

42:19

about to happen at any

42:21

moment in your life. And

42:24

you can't have faith without

42:26

hope. Because faith is the

42:28

substance of things hoped for.

42:30

So you might even just

42:32

squash it down to something

42:34

that anybody can understand. Be

42:36

positive. Hope is always positive.

42:38

So always be positive. Always.

42:40

believe the good things, believe

42:43

the best of people, don't

42:45

be suspicious and fearful that

42:47

something bad is going to

42:49

happen all the time. I

42:51

mean, it is absolutely amazing

42:53

that we will not go

42:55

beyond what we believe. Yeah.

42:57

Well, that makes so much

42:59

sense because if fear... is

43:02

the expectation that something bad

43:04

is going to come, then

43:06

hope is the antidote. It's

43:08

the expectation that something good

43:10

is going to come, that

43:12

God is going to bring

43:14

good into our lives. So

43:16

if we can replace fear

43:19

with faith and hope, I

43:21

mean, it really is just

43:23

like taking an aspirin for

43:25

a headache. You know, one

43:27

will defeat the other. Yeah.

43:29

That's right. Good. Good preaching.

43:31

Are there things as we

43:33

close out? Are there things

43:35

that have been a bigger

43:38

struggle with you guys for

43:40

fear that, that, you know,

43:42

we talk about this stuff

43:44

and it's so true. It

43:46

is absolute truth, but it's

43:48

not always easy to walk

43:50

out. You know, so are

43:52

there things that you would

43:54

encourage anybody with, with things

43:57

that you've had to overcome

43:59

in your... life and how

44:01

you've seen God work in

44:03

some of these fearful

44:05

areas? Well the biggest

44:07

thing that I still have

44:09

to stand against and I hope

44:12

I don't have to do it

44:14

all my life but it I

44:16

had a real stronghold built

44:19

in my childhood of being

44:21

afraid of my dad's anger

44:23

and so when he would get

44:25

angry I would get angry

44:28

I would always do this

44:30

dance trying to get him back

44:32

in a good mood, you know, trying to

44:34

make a joke or, you know, buy him

44:36

a gift, you know, do something to make

44:38

him get back in a good mood. And,

44:41

you know, it doesn't bother me

44:43

if somebody's mad at me that

44:45

I don't really care that much about

44:47

when it gets to be a close

44:49

friend or family. If I think

44:51

that I've made somebody mad, I

44:54

have a really hard time settling

44:56

down until I know they're okay with

44:58

me. And that is the one thing

45:01

that I still have to stand

45:03

against and remind myself

45:05

of. So that's my thing. That's a

45:07

good one. I think for me, it

45:09

has to do with being a mom

45:12

and just my inability to

45:14

control anything about my children.

45:16

As every mother understands. I'm

45:19

probably not alone in this.

45:21

Yeah. But even as they

45:23

get older, the things that

45:26

I can't control are changing.

45:28

And so... learning how to work with

45:30

God and then open hands. To remind

45:32

myself they're not mine. It is very

45:35

scary to me. But I want to

45:37

keep playing. The thing you can talk

45:39

to somebody like me, who has four

45:41

grown children. Yes. And all the time

45:43

I wasted being afraid of this, with

45:45

this one, and that one, with that

45:47

one, and you know what? They've all

45:50

turned out just great. They have, and

45:52

that's so encouraging. I think that you

45:54

sharing your story helps me with my

45:56

fear. Right. So I think that's... That's

45:58

good. And the Bible. says if you

46:01

train them up in the way

46:03

they should go when they're old

46:05

they won't depart from it. I

46:07

think that every child, maybe not

46:09

every child, you know, but a

46:11

lot of children come to what

46:13

I call a crisis of faith. They

46:15

have to, I remember one of

46:17

my kids saying to me, I

46:19

have to find out if I

46:21

believe this because I really believe

46:23

it's true or do I just

46:25

believe it because you believe it

46:27

because you believe it's true. because you've

46:29

taught me to believe it. And

46:31

so they had to go on

46:33

a little spiritual journey of, you

46:35

know, maybe not going to church

46:37

for a while and, you know,

46:39

not, you know, doing things and

46:41

then come back around to knowing they

46:44

were doing it because they wanted

46:46

to. And those times were scary

46:48

for me because, you know, well,

46:50

what if, what if. And that's

46:52

one of the devil's favorite sayings,

46:54

by the way, what if. I

46:57

just know from experience that, you

46:59

know, first of all, you can't

47:01

control what they do now or

47:03

when they're grown. And you can

47:06

raise a child totally right. They'll

47:08

still go haywire. But all you

47:10

can do is the best you

47:12

can do. And then you have

47:15

to leave it in God's hands.

47:17

I think something that people don't

47:19

really comprehend is when I pray

47:21

something for you. I

47:25

believe God hears and answers prayers.

47:27

But when you're praying for somebody

47:29

else, you have no control over

47:31

their free will. And neither does

47:33

God, because he's giving them free

47:35

will. So you may not always

47:37

get what you want when you're

47:39

praying for somebody else, because what

47:41

happens when you pray for them

47:43

is God will begin to deal

47:45

with them, but he won't, you

47:47

know, maybe like salvation, you're praying

47:49

for somebody that's not saved. Well,

47:52

God's gonna begin to deal with

47:54

them. they still have to submit

47:56

their will to God. So you

47:58

have to know going in when

48:00

you're... praying for other people that

48:02

there's no 100% guarantee that you're

48:04

going to get what you want and you

48:06

can't do anything beyond what you

48:08

can do. Yeah. And I think that's part

48:10

of it in the situation in so many

48:12

in our lives in the things we're afraid

48:15

of is we can't control. We

48:17

can only trust like you said. It

48:19

all comes back to trust so I

48:21

can ask him and I can give

48:23

them the people or the situation and

48:25

then I have to just let go

48:27

because otherwise that fear can just eat

48:29

at you. Let me just say something

48:31

to you as we close here

48:33

that I hear all the time

48:36

and you just did it. We

48:38

say, no this is good. We

48:40

say, I have to trust God,

48:42

but we should say I get to

48:44

trust God. I have to let

48:47

go. No, you get to let go.

48:49

Yeah. And know that God's got

48:51

it. Yeah. I have to is one

48:53

of the things that Jesus

48:55

died for. That's legalism. It's

48:58

like I have to go to

49:00

church. Well, no, you don't. I

49:02

have to go to the grocery store.

49:04

No, you could just not eat. You

49:06

know, there's so many that we, everything

49:08

in life is, well, I have to

49:10

do this, I have to go to work,

49:12

I have to, I have to, I have to,

49:14

I have to, you know, you get to.

49:16

And I've been thinking about that

49:19

with faith and trust and trust.

49:21

Think of all the people in the

49:23

world that don't know how to do

49:26

that do that. Yeah. And that's a

49:28

great privilege that we have. We get

49:30

to trust God with our children. We

49:32

get to trust God with our finances.

49:35

So no more half. That was good.

49:37

That's a great place to wrap things

49:39

up. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

49:41

I think there are a lot of

49:43

fears right now that are just subsiding,

49:45

you know, that God's working in your

49:47

life and he's teaching you about faith

49:49

and hope and he's sharing with you

49:52

how to deal with your fear in

49:54

a different way instead of trying to

49:56

fight it and combat it on your

49:58

own with your own strength. He

50:00

is showing you a better

50:02

way and you get to

50:05

walk through that with his

50:07

help. So thank you both.

50:09

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