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Hi everyone, it's Allison here

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to announce that I have

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officially opened a relationship coaching

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business. That's right, I now

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am seeing individuals and couples

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for sessions where we work

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through our relationship issues, our

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thoughts around dating, how to

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better communicate with our partners,

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all with the real mental

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health focused framing. So if

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you're interested in booking a

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session or learning more, please

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go to my website Allison

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raskin.com/coaching or email me. at

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raskin coaching

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at gmail.com

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I'm Allison Raskin. I'm a

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writer, mental health advocate, and

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the co-host of this podcast

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that's officially been a podcast

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for five years as of

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today. Bumba bam bam. Hi, I'm

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Gabe Dunn. I'm a writer, bicon, bisexual

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icon, wink, and I cannot believe

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it's been five years of this

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show. Wow, I know. It's been

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ten almost on YouTube. I know.

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What are we going to do?

1:14

For YouTube? Get naked. Just full

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nudity. That's where we open our

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only fans. But it's like the

1:20

most boring only fans of all

1:22

time. It's so boring. I've got

1:24

to connect there. At only fans?

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Yeah, they reached out for me

1:28

and Megan to be on the

1:30

only fans. Yeah, that would be

1:32

interesting. Me and Allison, very boring. Well,

1:34

I could do some silly stuff. Yeah.

1:37

Like, yeah, you could like clean. The

1:39

feet. The feet. Oh, the feet. Well,

1:41

I have to wait for my broken.

1:43

That's somebody's interest. It must be. The

1:46

bruising is gone. The swelling is not.

1:48

You're like, hey guys, if you want

1:50

thin toes over here, but if you

1:52

want chubby little toes, get over here.

1:55

Oh my God, you have something for

1:57

everyone. I do. Just like this show,

1:59

I hope. Melissa, should you give you

2:01

a fun intro? Sure! My name is

2:03

Melissa Diamondmonts. I'm a writer, producer, director,

2:06

and my pennies are in a bunch.

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Really? Yeah. Why? Metaphorically or physically? Physically.

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Yeah, are you wearing a thong? I

2:12

never wear underwear. Oh, yeah, you don't.

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And I just, I don't even know

2:17

why I decided to put them on

2:19

today, but I did. It was a

2:21

huge mistake. Men's like brief boxer things

2:24

like I'm wearing shorts under my shorts

2:26

just in case I get pantsed Always

2:28

thinking always trying to not get pants.

2:30

I'm fine with that This is a

2:33

very special episode which means that we're

2:35

gonna let it be free for the

2:37

masses It's not gonna be behind the

2:39

patron wall. You're gonna get the whole

2:42

episode because we love you and for

2:44

all of you that have been here

2:46

since the beginning And for those of

2:48

you that have come along the way,

2:50

you are probably confused at first. And

2:53

we're videoing this. So we're videoing the

2:55

whole episode and we're going to put

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on YouTube. Head over to YouTube.com/just between

2:59

us where we've actually been posting content

3:02

regularly every week, but most people don't

3:04

seem to know that. Yeah, did you

3:06

see that we were talking about the

3:08

podcast and then somebody commented, oh wait,

3:11

this is an actual podcast? Like they

3:13

thought we were joking about it being

3:15

a podcast. We have a podcast that's

3:17

five years old. But we're currently on

3:20

right now. But if you want to

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listen or watch ad-free, there's also a

3:24

patron. There's at patron.com/just between us. The

3:26

patron is basically how we keep this

3:29

thing going. They have tried to stop

3:31

us. They have tried to say, hey,

3:33

don't make this anymore. We said, screw

3:35

you, the fans will pay for this.

3:37

That's very true. Shugging along. But speaking

3:40

of fans, we asked on the Patreon

3:42

for some people to share some of

3:44

their favorite memories. And I selected a

3:46

few, which were all the. were great

3:49

but you know there's a time limit.

3:51

So our first feedback is from Caitlin

3:53

who writes, I have so many fond

3:55

memories of listening to this show. I

3:58

genuinely find it hard to narrow down.

4:00

I adore listening to y'all laugh. I

4:02

love when Gabriel's Allison and there was

4:04

a moment in an episode I can't

4:07

remember where Gabe said something about people

4:09

who play the flute or red flags

4:11

and I laughed really hard because I'm

4:13

a professional flautist. I read that and

4:16

I was like, I don't even stand

4:18

by half of what I say. Why

4:20

did I think people who play the

4:22

flute are red flags? My grandpa plays

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the flute. I'll have to ask his

4:27

girlfriend. Yeah, it's true. What are her

4:29

icks about him? Caitlin finishes, I love

4:31

y'all, you inspire and comfort me and

4:33

congrats on five years. Oh! Can I

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do my best impression of Gabe saying,

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Allison? Yeah, please, please, please. Allison. Yeah,

4:40

but not anymore. Not anymore. Okay. Uh,

4:42

Allison. What? Is that what I sound

4:45

like? No, that's dope as hell. So

4:47

another person, Brett wrote in, every time

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Allison says something truly out of pocket

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and Gabe screams, Allison, it's my favorite

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thing. That, Serena that did that fake

4:56

version of us on YouTube? Oh, yeah.

4:58

Also had me yelling, Allison. And our

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final comment from Annie, one of the

5:03

hypotheticals where there's something about a fish,

5:05

question mark that says mommy mommy. I

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remember laughing out loud in my car

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at that. Do you remember that one?

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Not at all. I think it was

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that it was like something about like

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if if the fish could talk, like

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you could eat the fish, but if

5:20

the fish could say like talk, then

5:23

would you? So was mommy mommy part

5:25

of the original or something I added

5:27

during the discussion? Pretty funny. Yeah. I

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don't think I was here for that.

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I don't think so. I don't have

5:34

any memory of it. I mean it's

5:36

twisted. Yeah, for sure. Don't eat animals.

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Anyway, every animal has a mommy. I

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understand that. We should all think about.

5:43

And I'm still gonna eat them. All

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right. So because it's our special special

5:47

special anniversary show, we're breaking the mold

5:50

a little bit. Sure. But we are

5:52

being joined by an incredible guest. Oh

5:54

yeah. We've got John Asante if you

5:56

remember. Remember John? He was our very

5:59

first producer. He helped shape the show.

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We bring him back in and grill

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him about his first impressions of us.

6:05

Memories, goofs, it's a hoot. And he

6:07

used to be on Mike. So if

6:10

you were listening back in the day,

6:12

you will remember John. And later in

6:14

topics, we'll be talking about five years

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from now. Oh God. Where will we

6:19

be? Terrifying. I know I'm afraid America

6:21

will exist. Instead of a traditional international

6:23

question, we are going to share one

6:25

follow-up to an international question that a

6:28

listener wrote in so that we can

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get up to date with what happened

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after we answered the question. And then

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we're also going to share just a

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really lovely note that we got sent

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in 2022 that just makes me happy.

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So I'd like to share it. But

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first, hit it! All of our fans

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across the world. Wow. Beautiful. That is

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really beautiful. Okay, so our first one

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that I'm going to read is from

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Jackie, who writes, Dear Allison and Gabe,

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I was listening to your podcast on

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my way to work this morning and

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was excited to hear you answered my

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question. I thought I touched base to

7:03

let you know how things have turned

7:06

out. T-L-DR, I'm ending it. So if

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you guys remember, this was the write-in

7:10

about a woman who found out that

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her husband was having an emotional affair

7:15

for years. Wait, she wrote in to

7:17

say, how do you forgive him, right?

7:19

And then you and I were both

7:21

like, no? Well, I don't, I don't

7:24

remember exactly how she... phrase it, but

7:26

like kind of what to do about

7:28

this predicament. And if she could forgive

7:30

him kind of thing. So she writes,

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the first two weeks after I found

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out about my husband's affair, I was

7:37

mostly processing it and thinking about what

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to do. What was interesting was that

7:41

only part of that thinking about what

7:44

to do. What was interesting was that

7:46

only part of that thinking was about

7:48

him and what he did, and what

7:50

was interesting was that only part of

7:53

that thinking was about him, was about

7:55

a grasses greener, for a life without

7:57

him. And I was excited about a

7:59

lot of those possibilities. Hell yeah. I

8:02

felt a little guilty for even considering

8:04

this. Shouldn't the decision be purely based

8:06

on him and what he did? But

8:08

after speaking to some friends and family,

8:11

I got over that guilt pretty quickly.

8:13

Love a good support system. Around the

8:15

two week mark, which included a week

8:17

away so I could get some space,

8:20

I told him I wanted to end

8:22

things. He got incredibly emotional and seeing

8:24

his reaction and seeing his reaction and

8:26

seeing his reaction was probably the worst

8:28

moment of so much pain. But if

8:31

I looked at the situation from a

8:33

what is best for me perspective, the

8:35

answer was clear, a future without him.

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I also booked a five-week trip to

8:40

South America to get some time away

8:42

from it all, and I'm leaving next

8:44

week. So it's been nice to have

8:46

something to look forward to. Jackie! I

8:49

love Jackie! This is a good follow-up.

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Over the next few days, we found

8:53

a more friendly equilibrium, where he said

8:55

he didn't want to give up on

8:58

me, and I told him I didn't

9:00

think I would change my mind. He

9:02

asked me to hold off on a

9:04

final decision until I got back from

9:07

my trip, which I said I would

9:09

do, but I already know it's over.

9:11

A week later, I was borrowing his

9:13

computer again. I need to send some

9:15

files to myself after getting my laptop

9:18

back. When I went to his email,

9:20

the top email was to SJ, the

9:22

other woman. Yeah. After he had supposedly

9:24

broken things off with her. I opened

9:27

it because he's lost all right to

9:29

privacy at this point. And he said

9:31

he wanted to arrange a time to

9:33

see her in person in August when

9:36

I'd be away. Good God. Oh, this

9:38

man is the worst. I hate him

9:40

so much. Yeah, forget it. When I

9:42

saw this, I wasn't even hurt. A

9:45

huge grin broke across my face. It's

9:47

a strange reaction I know, but after

9:49

nearly four weeks of guilt and worrying

9:51

about hurting him, I felt like this

9:54

absolved me of any guilt or responsibility

9:56

for his mental or emotional well-being. He

9:58

had been engaging in this affair for

10:00

years and knew how much it had

10:02

hurt me, and he was doing it

10:05

again mere days after he said he

10:07

wasn't giving up on me? My mind

10:09

is blown. No, he doesn't care about

10:11

you. It's about him. So even though

10:14

it's only been a month since everything

10:16

went down, I'm feeling really good about

10:18

moving forward without him. I know there

10:20

will be some logistical challenges around splitting

10:23

assets and organizing the divorce, but I'm

10:25

really optimistic about the future. While I'd

10:27

made the decision by the time your

10:29

episode aired, kind of a bummer for

10:32

us, but oh well. It was helpful

10:34

listening to your decision on it. Both

10:36

to hear your insights as well as

10:38

to reflect on what a different place

10:41

I'm in when compared to a month

10:43

I'm in when compared to a month

10:45

ago, when compared to a month ago.

10:47

Gabe, what you said about him trying

10:49

to play different cards when I confronted

10:52

him was spot on. One of the

10:54

things he even said was that SJ

10:56

was unhappy and felt bad about herself

10:58

and he felt like he was helping

11:01

her by engaging in this relationship. Exactly.

11:03

So disgusting. Listen, some of you guys

11:05

write in and you're like, oh, Gabe

11:07

was too harsh, gay, blah, blah, blah.

11:10

No, I'm not. I look, Allison studied

11:12

the human condition, okay, but she she

11:14

maintains a level of empathy don't have.

11:16

Okay, and that's why we're a good

11:19

balance team. They write, I shut that

11:21

one down very quickly, and as soon

11:23

as he saw it wasn't working, he

11:25

immediately changed strategies. Uh-huh. And Allison, I

11:28

love how you distilled everything down to

11:30

a question of, can I be with

11:32

someone who is capable of this? And

11:34

the answer is no. I don't want

11:36

to be with someone who's capable of

11:39

living a double life. Someone who can

11:41

love me so much yet can still

11:43

do something like this because of how

11:45

compartmentalized everything is. Yep. I'm going to

11:48

listen to it again on the way

11:50

home from work but wanted to say

11:52

thank you again and share some initial

11:54

takeaways. Thank you for everything you do.

11:57

Jackie. You know what it was? It

11:59

was that she was asking could someone

12:01

still love her and do this? And

12:03

I was saying, no, he doesn't love

12:06

you, he's a monster. And you were

12:08

saying, he might love you, but you

12:10

have to think about, do you want

12:12

to be with someone who has the

12:15

capacity to do this? So those are

12:17

our two things, right? You're like, hey,

12:19

think about what you want. Think about

12:21

what you want. Think about, like, you

12:23

know, it doesn't matter if he loves

12:26

you, he might, but like, what do

12:28

you want? It's

12:32

so true though. It's so true.

12:34

The fact that you're the one

12:36

now being like, well, there's two

12:38

sides is crazy. I know. People

12:40

did not see that coming. Okay,

12:42

and so our other letter that

12:44

I want to share is from

12:46

Emily, and she sent it in

12:48

November of 2022. And this is

12:50

really just us rubbing her own

12:52

backs, but what else is an

12:54

anniversary show for? You should always

12:56

get rubbed on an anniversary. Goodbye,

12:58

Melissa. It's been real, John's back.

13:00

No, it starts with him and

13:02

it ends with me. Hi, Allison

13:04

and Gabe, but I know they're

13:06

not reading this. Please send my

13:08

regards. T-L-D-R. I just wanted to

13:10

write this email to chime in

13:12

as one of your many years-long

13:14

fans, who you have helped in

13:16

ways I could never fully articulate.

13:18

I started watching you too as

13:20

soon as you started making videos

13:22

outside of Buzzfeed. At the time

13:24

I was probably 15 or 16

13:27

and still living at home in

13:29

a really horrible and tense environment.

13:31

Republican now down the conspiracy rabbit

13:33

hole parents who hated each other

13:35

but refused to divorce type environment.

13:37

L-O-L-O-L. I had to force myself

13:39

into grown-up mode way before I

13:41

was ready and without some pretty

13:43

key elements of parenting when it

13:45

comes to relationships, communication, social justice,

13:47

seeing other points of view. I

13:49

was an unstable mess. Understandably I

13:51

would say. Yeah. I'm happy to

13:53

say that through trial and error,

13:55

therapy and lots of positive friendships

13:57

and other relationships with mentors, romantic

13:59

partners, etc. I have come a

14:01

long way. I'm 24 now. It's

14:03

crazy to be so close to

14:05

where y'all were at the very

14:07

beginning. But an undeniable part of

14:09

my identity, self-perspective, and world outlook

14:11

journeys have been your content through

14:13

the years. From the very beginning,

14:15

the contrast between your two characters

14:17

on YouTube. I only say characters

14:19

because you have talked about playing

14:21

extreme versions of yourself. Help me

14:23

to learn to think about different

14:25

points of view without them being

14:27

blatantly pointed out to me. The

14:29

exaggerated representations of personal flaws you

14:31

both talked about having were showed

14:33

in sketches. Help me to accept

14:35

those types of flaws in myself.

14:37

If people as lovely as you

14:39

two can have such flaws, I

14:41

guess I can too. Oh my

14:43

god. I'm just so crying. I'm

14:45

crying. Oh my god. I genuinely

14:47

believe your reflections on your teen

14:49

years, college years, and early 20s

14:51

helped me to avoid some interpersonal

14:54

mistakes I absolutely would have made

14:56

otherwise. Because otherwise, I wouldn't have

14:58

thought any differently. The openness you

15:00

both talked about when it comes

15:02

to mental health and trauma was

15:04

so genuinely game changing for me.

15:06

I don't think I would have

15:08

ever gone on antidepressants without you.

15:10

I know they're being debated more

15:12

now, but for me they really

15:14

helped with stabilization pre-therapy. And if

15:16

that was placebo, then I don't

15:18

care. Thank you placebo. I agree

15:20

with that 100% give me that

15:22

placebo effect baby. My therapist has

15:24

often complimented some of my thought

15:26

processes that I literally took word

15:28

for word from one of your

15:30

videos, podcasts, or books. I give

15:32

you credit, don't worry, Abby the

15:34

therapist loves y'all too. Wow. And

15:36

the variety of social justice topics

15:38

and podcast interviews you have brought

15:40

me, I could never ever conceptualize

15:42

how much you have broadened my

15:44

horizons and challenged me to think

15:46

and reflect. I am so incredibly

15:48

proud of both of you and

15:50

everything you have accomplished since you

15:52

started out on YouTube. Not just

15:54

career-wise, but personally. It really makes

15:56

me feel better about being 24.

15:58

because, wow, does being in your

16:00

20s kind of suck sometimes? But

16:02

it's okay that I'm not 100%

16:04

okay with myself yet, and that I

16:06

don't really know exactly what I'm going to

16:08

do with my life yet, because look at

16:11

you two go. You were where I was

16:13

too. Sorry, this is so scattered. But

16:15

for real, you guys have been one

16:17

of the most important consistent presences in

16:19

my life throughout some really challenging and

16:21

formative years. No matter what was going on,

16:23

I could always look forward to something. Either

16:25

a Monday couch show, a sketch Thursday, switching

16:27

between the two, I didn't care. I was

16:29

so grateful for anything. I wish you could

16:31

have seen my face when you all added

16:33

that little, we could do that on the

16:35

podcast tagline. At the end of that one

16:37

video, I think I cried. I'm emotional writing

16:39

this. I've been meeting to write this out for

16:41

a while, so I'm happy I finally did. I finally

16:44

did. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank

16:46

you, from the bottom of my bottom of my heart.

16:48

My boyfriend also thanks you both

16:50

because the communication we have built

16:53

from stuff we learned from your

16:55

discussions about relationships, mental illness, and

16:57

communication. Next level, 30s level shit.

16:59

Love Emily from Pittsburgh PA, but

17:02

soon to be San Diego baby.

17:04

incredible. Oh my god, that is

17:06

so lovely. It's so lovely. And

17:08

congratulations, Emily, on your growth. Right?

17:11

Yeah. Oh my God. Gabe's fully

17:13

crying. We read this when she

17:15

sent it back in 2022 and

17:17

and sent a response then. But

17:19

when I was thinking about what to

17:22

share for the show, I was like,

17:24

this was a this was a banger

17:26

for sure. So much. I don't know,

17:28

like something about moving to podcast from

17:30

YouTube. Like, like, you don't have the

17:33

same, like immediate immediate feedback. to it

17:35

the same way. And so I feel

17:37

like I lost sense of like potentially

17:39

like the impact that we were having

17:41

on people. And so that's like honestly

17:43

why doing the patron has been really

17:46

cool because now people can like directly

17:48

reply to episodes and stuff. And I feel

17:50

like we can like have a more direct

17:52

relationship with people again. Yes and

17:54

stuff. If people use Spotify you

17:57

can leave direct messages for episodes.

17:59

You can? I had no idea.

18:01

And we were recording in

18:03

Spotify. I'm like, why have

18:05

I, my goodness. Remember when

18:07

you said someone told you

18:09

when you go on testosterone

18:11

you don't cry anymore? Yeah,

18:14

that's not happening. That's not

18:16

the case. At all. No,

18:18

it has not at all.

18:20

We have helped so many

18:22

people and yet why am

18:24

I still so sad? I

18:27

didn't know where that sentence is

18:29

going. Well, but isn't there something

18:31

to the fact that all these

18:34

people are changing and growing and

18:36

healing? It should be inspiring that

18:38

it's possible. Yeah, it's just so

18:40

interesting. It's like clearly like the

18:42

art and the artist, you know

18:44

what I mean? Where it's like,

18:46

where it's like you've made these

18:48

great things, but that's the curse

18:50

of the artist is that you

18:52

suffer for your art. You reply

18:54

to episodes and stuff. And I

18:56

feel like we can like have

18:58

a more direct relationship with people.

19:00

If people use Spotify, you can

19:02

leave direct messages for episodes. You

19:04

can? Yeah. I had no idea.

19:06

And we were recording in Spotify.

19:08

I'm like, why have I... My

19:10

goodness. Remember when you said someone

19:12

told you when you go on

19:14

testosterone, you don't cry anymore? Yeah,

19:16

that's not happening. At all. No,

19:18

it has not at all. We

19:20

helped... So many people and yet

19:22

why am I still so sad?

19:24

I didn't know where that sentence

19:26

is going. Well, but isn't there

19:28

something to the fact that all

19:30

these people are changing and growing

19:32

and healing that should be inspiring

19:34

that it's possible? Yeah, it's just

19:36

so interesting. It's like clearly like

19:38

the art and the artist, you

19:40

know what I mean? Where it's

19:42

like, where it's like you've made

19:44

these great things, but that's the...

19:46

curse of the artist is that

19:48

you suffer for your art no

19:51

it's that it's that you can't

19:53

experience your own art yeah what

19:55

if you what if you listened

19:57

with a blindfold on to us

19:59

You listen with a blind phone

20:01

on that doesn't make sense. Just

20:03

like kind of a different sensory

20:05

experience. I mean you don't look

20:07

at podcast. I'm just saying it

20:09

kind of puts you in a

20:11

different like it's meditative state or

20:13

something. Or I wipe my own

20:15

memory and then I go back

20:17

and listen to us. Yeah and

20:19

you won't recognize yourself because your

20:21

voice is different. That's true. But

20:23

I also think that you don't

20:25

appreciate the amount that you have

20:27

changed. Sure, yeah. And also, you've

20:29

been going through a specifically tough

20:31

time. And when someone goes through

20:33

a specifically tough time, you're always

20:35

going to backslide a bit. Sort

20:37

of the last three years, you'd

20:39

say. Sort of the last three

20:41

years. Yeah, I know, I know,

20:43

I know. I know. I know.

20:45

I know, maybe. I'd also like

20:47

to say thank you to my

20:49

very good friend Tony Perry for

20:51

setting us up in the Spotify

20:53

studio which is why we look

20:55

so good. Isn't it cool? I

20:57

had a hookup. I never have

20:59

a hookup. You did have a

21:01

hookup when you sent this. I

21:03

was like, okay. This is beautiful.

21:05

Yeah, I keep looking at myself.

21:07

Like I look great. I want

21:10

to record you every day. Me

21:12

too. It makes everything so easy

21:14

too on my end. Right? Right?

21:16

Yeah. Who's that handsome devil. I

21:18

saw a video of myself playing

21:20

kickball. Someone took a video of

21:22

us and I was like, who's

21:24

that? And it was me. See,

21:26

that's lovely. Can I read you

21:28

this? Yes. Okay, this is from

21:30

Blythe. Hi, I'm a longtime watcher.

21:32

I was actually the international question

21:34

in the first ever podcast episode.

21:36

I was 19 and wrote in

21:38

questioning whether or not to stay

21:40

with my boyfriend who was at

21:42

the time pro-life. Despite the advice

21:44

being unanimously to dump him. I

21:46

did not, L-O-L. We are still

21:48

together, but I'd like to share

21:50

an update, which is that over

21:52

the past six years, thanks largely

21:54

to a college education, he has

21:56

re-evaluated a lot of previously held

21:58

beliefs and is now a pro-choice

22:00

socialist. Proof that people can change.

22:02

He is still a Jesuit Catholic,

22:04

and I found it really funny

22:06

how Allison is now married to

22:08

one too. Much love to the

22:10

both of you and thanks for

22:12

still being here, Smiley face. And

22:14

then I said, wow, can I

22:16

share this? And they said, yes,

22:18

of course, feel free to share

22:20

on the pot. I wasn't sure

22:22

if anyone who'd written in had

22:24

ever given an update. We love

22:26

updates. I always read them. We

22:29

started doing it on the pot

22:31

if you want. We should, right?

22:33

That's amazing. On our first show,

22:35

wrong advice later on better advice.

22:37

How could we have known? How

22:39

could you have known? You can't.

22:41

You can't. And I'm sure whatever

22:43

advice y'all gave the writer, it

22:45

probably like helped them in some

22:47

way put things in perspective for

22:49

their partner. And maybe helped mold

22:51

their partner to be who they

22:53

are today. Maybe they played it

22:55

and said, these bitches are trying

22:57

to get me to dump you.

22:59

So rethink your thoughts. Yeah. Because

23:01

it's sometimes, well, don't ever do

23:03

this. But I'm just saying, like,

23:05

you're like, actually, I went to

23:07

my friends and they said, you're

23:09

wrong. I tell people that all

23:11

the time. Really? Yeah. I love

23:13

that. Well, hopefully this show for

23:15

the last five years has been

23:17

helpful. Yeah. If you want to

23:19

submit your international question, you can

23:21

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26:48

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segment known to all of

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podcasting. Tough questions. This week

26:58

on the show we have

27:00

John Asante. John, do you

27:03

want to give our listeners,

27:05

if they don't remember you,

27:07

who you are? Yes, I

27:10

am the original producer and

27:12

developer of this show. Oh

27:15

my god! If you're O.G. Do

27:17

you remember John? And you

27:19

must, because it's been five

27:21

years of the show, and if

27:24

you forgot anything from the

27:26

first year of those five

27:28

years, you're a bad fan.

27:30

Well, I met John before

27:32

our show, because I worked

27:34

with you on Gossip. My scripted

27:36

podcast that at least four

27:38

people seem to still be

27:40

listening to. People are re-listening.

27:43

It's very thrilling. But also

27:45

someone stole your logo. Oh

27:47

yeah. Wait, what? No. So

27:49

now there's this huge podcast

27:51

called Normal Gossip and they

27:53

have a very similar logo. They do.

27:56

They do. I clocked it. Normal Gossip,

27:58

they stole your logo. What I'm

28:00

referring to though somebody on tic-toc

28:02

remember I sent you their tic-toc

28:05

and their image is your actual

28:07

gossip Oh that was like a

28:09

they have like a fake tic-toc

28:11

account with the image from the

28:14

gossip podcast That's Wow, I'm kind

28:16

of flattered But so then I

28:18

had such a great experience on

28:20

Gossip, I was like, okay, finally,

28:23

let's take YouTube to podcasting, because

28:25

we'd run out of clothes. And

28:27

then- Literally, number one reason. The

28:29

funniest thing was, like, I pitched

28:32

this whole, like, segmented podcast and,

28:34

like, all the different segments and

28:36

things that we do. And they

28:38

clearly did not send that to

28:41

you. And they had just told

28:43

Don that, like, like, two youtbersber.

28:45

Yeah. And that was, this was

28:47

what, 2018? I was working at

28:50

Stitcher. Yeah. And this was my

28:52

first, or 2019, 2018, 2018. We

28:54

launched in March of 2019, but

28:56

we started recording, I think, in

28:59

the end of 2018. That sounds

29:01

right. Yeah, yeah. God. And Kristen

29:03

Torres, shout to Kristen. Yeah. Yes. She

29:05

was under my wing at the time.

29:07

She was part of this fellowship at

29:09

Stitcher and I was like. Yo, so

29:11

this is the first podcast I'm developing

29:13

and leading the charge on my own.

29:15

Like, my boss was like, here you

29:17

go. And yeah, again, I was just

29:19

like, wait, so we're just like these

29:21

two YouTubeers like. And I felt terrible

29:23

because I didn't know who y'all were

29:26

at the time. To be honest, I

29:28

wasn't really the demographic. I'm a black

29:30

guy in my mid-30s. But I was

29:32

like, okay. You'd be surprised. There's at

29:34

least one of you, usually. One of

29:36

me? Yes, I've been told there are

29:38

many clones of me in LA. They

29:40

do all dress and look like you.

29:42

That is sort of the thing. Yeah.

29:44

There's just like a fan club. Yeah.

29:46

Cool. I love. I love it. I

29:48

love it. I love it. I love

29:50

it. I'm flattered. I'm flattered. I'm flattered.

29:52

I'm flattered. I'm flattered. I'm flattered. I'm

29:54

flattered. I'm flattered. I'm flattered. I'm flattered.

29:56

I'm flattered. I'm flattered. I'm flattered. I'm

29:58

flattered. I'm flattered. I'm flattered. I'm flattered.

30:00

I'm flattered. I'm flat But yeah, honestly,

30:02

it was a really nice challenge because

30:04

at the time, like, you know, YouTube

30:07

was not a place for podcast, like

30:09

a destination for podcast. So getting to

30:11

kind of reverse develop it for you.

30:13

The show in a different way was

30:15

really a nice challenge. It was fun.

30:17

Yeah, well, Allison, I mean, you basically

30:19

had the format down already. Like, what

30:21

you pitched is what we do. Pretty

30:23

much, yeah, but I didn't write the

30:25

lead-ins, that's a huge reveal. I never

30:27

wrote, I didn't write the tough question

30:29

introduction. I think Kristen did. Yeah. Yeah.

30:31

So every time I'm like, this is

30:33

so good, I can take no credit

30:35

for this. Wow, I didn't know that.

30:37

Oh, she wrote so many of the

30:39

things that we say that we still

30:41

say five years later. Right? Yeah, like

30:43

to our highly assumed guess, like all

30:46

of that was her I think. image

30:48

for the podcast. Do you remember that?

30:50

Yes, yes, with the blow-up doll. Yes,

30:52

which it was funny because people were

30:54

like, we had changed how we looked

30:56

enough to do another logo but also

30:58

people were like, yeah, it's just sort

31:00

of hard for me to recommend this

31:02

show to people because there is a

31:04

blow-up doll in the picture. And I

31:06

was like, really? Yeah, they felt weird

31:08

about and they felt weird about listening

31:10

at work because of the picture. Wouldn't

31:12

that make it better? I don't know.

31:14

More intriguing. Yeah, scandalous. No, I think

31:16

people at their jobs are trying to

31:18

be, they're trying to be low-key or

31:20

something. You're listening to a podcast at

31:22

your job. You're already kind of in

31:25

trouble. I guess. But that was such

31:27

a fun shoot where I was like,

31:29

I was like so, uh. I had

31:31

that creative idea of that doll and

31:33

I was like, we won't make this

31:35

happen. I would like not accept any

31:37

other evidence. Hell bent on it. I

31:39

don't know what the photographer was vibing

31:41

it at the time, but I was

31:43

like. Yeah, yeah, I think it was

31:45

wrapping up on Swing. Yeah, yeah, she

31:47

did a lot of the photography for

31:49

the Stitcher podcast. When we did that

31:51

photo shoot, I had thrown out my

31:53

hip, you know, like how sometimes I

31:55

throw up my hip. Yeah. So I

31:57

had thrown out my hip and I

31:59

was, Cheyenne came with me because I

32:01

couldn't drive and I was so injured

32:03

and we did that photo shoot and

32:06

I couldn't believe I was standing for

32:08

the pictures. Oh, right after that Cheyenne.

32:10

drove me straight to the doctor, like

32:12

urgent care. Oh my gosh. I was

32:14

like, yeah, they're edgy. No, I had

32:16

like, I had like since I had

32:18

injured, because I have like problems with

32:20

sciatica and that was like, I had

32:22

like a bad one. But I was

32:24

like, we have to go to this

32:26

photo shoot first. Yeah, oh, I feel

32:28

like I vaguely remember that, but oh,

32:30

photo shoot that we've done. The photo

32:32

shoot we did for the back cover

32:34

of our books. Do you. Every single

32:36

thing that we have had happen in

32:38

our life has been a absolutely parowing

32:40

day for me the night before. Just

32:42

those two times. Oh, then we did

32:45

the Sundance Lab and I had to

32:47

take you to the psychiatrist in the

32:49

middle. Yeah, exactly. Wow. Exactly. Wait, okay,

32:51

so we're, you're like, all right, this

32:53

is my first show solo at Stitcher.

32:55

Like, were you worried about working with

32:57

us? Like, what are first impressions of

32:59

our dynamic? Oh, yeah, please. I was

33:01

like, oh, they're very happy. This is

33:03

great. They're like, and they're very honest

33:05

and forthcoming. I did my research. I

33:07

watched like five episodes of JBIU on

33:09

YouTube, and I was like, well, I

33:11

didn't know you had the format down

33:13

already. So I was racking in my

33:15

brain, trying to figure out how do

33:17

we shape the show. Because I really

33:19

wanted to make a highly produced interview

33:21

show that like actually like people could

33:23

fall along with and be like, okay,

33:26

good, you know, boom, boom, I know

33:28

the beats of it. And at the

33:30

time I was also producing a podcast

33:32

about someone in a cult. So it

33:34

was actually a really nice balance to

33:36

be working with y'all. Oh, really, really

33:38

interesting. It was just like good, like,

33:40

oh, this is a good comedic relief.

33:42

Right. Although we do talk about colds

33:44

quite a bit. Yeah, it's true. True.

33:46

Or it's just like, I want to

33:48

say a fan, but as just like

33:50

a critic, I think. Yeah, a critic,

33:52

an interested critic. What do you think

33:54

of us? I thought you all had

33:56

a really great rapport. Like, I didn't

33:58

know how long y' y'all been friends.

34:00

a friendship and a terrible working relationship.

34:02

Oh, okay. And we were, we, we

34:05

are already doing the show and then

34:07

we had our fight. But I feel

34:09

like we had a fight like episode

34:11

four. Oh yeah, we did. Yeah. Oh, because

34:13

you didn't tell me that you had

34:15

slept with somebody. Yep. And I was

34:17

mad. Oh, man. But because of who

34:19

it was. Yeah, someone else and didn't

34:21

like. No, someone who doesn't like me

34:24

and had been mean to me. And

34:26

then you still had sex with them.

34:28

Yeah, well have you seen them? Oh

34:30

my God. And I was like, yo,

34:32

this is some real drama? It

34:34

wasn't nuts. I'm sitting there in

34:37

the studio being like, do I

34:39

feed them, do I feed them

34:41

notes or do I just let

34:43

this play out? It was episode

34:45

with Kelsey Dara. So Kelsey was

34:47

coming in later and she showed

34:49

up to do the interview and

34:52

it was bad energy. Oh no.

34:54

And she was like, what's going on?

34:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said, okay, I

34:58

have a secret too. And you were

35:00

like, well, I have mine's like bigger.

35:02

And I was like, doubt it. What was

35:05

my secret? That Jake was officially

35:07

your boyfriend. Oh. I know. I know. That

35:09

was a mistake. I know. And then we

35:12

each wrote our secrets down on a

35:14

piece of paper. And then we slid

35:16

them to each other at the same time.

35:18

And then we opened them. Yes. This

35:20

was so, I remember this, I was

35:22

like, oh my God, what's going on?

35:24

I barely know them, but I need

35:27

to know the team. And then I

35:29

opened mine and I was like, oh

35:31

my God, Allison, that's so amazing. I

35:33

was so happy for you. And you

35:35

opened yours and you were like, fuck

35:38

you. We don't do that sort

35:40

of unhinged behavior anymore. Well, I

35:42

further along in my mental health

35:44

journey. I know how to emotionally

35:46

regulate now. Yes, you've written a

35:48

book on that, yeah, yeah. Congratulations to

35:51

both of y'all for writing books and

35:53

screenplays and... What I noticed about y'all

35:55

from the beginning too is that you

35:57

all were so driven. Like as... chill

36:00

and as like funny and as like

36:02

deep as y'all got I was like

36:04

they are on a mission to like

36:06

really make some amazing things and that

36:08

was really reassuring because you never know

36:11

as a producer working at a like

36:13

a network of production house you just

36:15

never know when you just get assigned

36:17

when you just get assigned something when

36:19

you have very little control of what

36:22

you can work on you just never

36:24

know who you're gonna know who you're

36:26

gonna go this route and do the

36:28

show this way. I even remember when we

36:30

were coming up with the theme music,

36:32

which I'm so glad is still being

36:35

used today. Shout out to Jordan Duffy

36:37

who sang amazing vocals on it. I

36:39

feel like y'all, did y'all come up

36:41

with that idea or was that something

36:43

like, Brendan Burns did the whole, he

36:45

composed the whole thing. Right, right. And

36:47

then they just like pulled employees from

36:50

Stitcher to just sing the amazing vocals

36:52

and he just made the theme music.

36:54

And we're like, if it's not broken,

36:56

we're not touching it. Nice. But on

36:59

Bad With Money, they always

37:01

think it's me. But it's

37:03

not. It's Sam Barbera. It's

37:06

a different woman. Oh.

37:08

I know. No one ever asks

37:10

us if we sang. Well, I

37:12

think it's pretty obvious that it's

37:15

too good. I'm like, if we

37:17

could sing like that, we'd be

37:19

doing it all the time. Right,

37:21

sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. That

37:24

makes sense. Yeah. He was our

37:26

first guest? Yes. But then at

37:28

some point we were like, this

37:30

seems wrong. We were like, we

37:33

were like, we were like, we

37:35

actually shouldn't have our first episode

37:37

be like some random white guy. And

37:39

so we moved him back. And I

37:42

don't remember at what point we started

37:44

being like, no, we will only interview

37:46

experts in their fields. Well, Jasmine Jay

37:49

was second. Who was our first episode?

37:51

Hmm. Hmm. I don't know. We should

37:53

have done this prepped. These people, even

37:55

though they weren't like experts, we did

37:57

have a topic for them to come

37:59

on. came and talked about body positivity.

38:01

Dan was talking about you guys being

38:03

exes and stuff. Like everyone had like

38:06

a specific, it wasn't just like come

38:08

on and shoot the shit. The only

38:10

come on and shoot the shit episode

38:12

that I remember us doing is Gabris.

38:14

I was just thinking that yeah. And

38:16

that's because we were like and maybe

38:18

Lacey Mosley. And those two are like

38:20

heavy hitters technically talking about scams. technical.

38:23

Oh right. That was like, it was

38:25

right when her show launched. And both

38:27

of our shows have done equally well.

38:29

Sort of like talking to her? You

38:31

told me that a while ago. She's

38:33

gone on. I mean, that's like one

38:35

of the biggest shows now. Yeah. Got

38:38

a book off of it. It's huge.

38:40

So cool. We were there. They were

38:42

like, can you promote this show? And

38:44

we were like, of course. Yeah. And

38:46

she's like skyrocketed like skyrocket. What was

38:48

our first episode, Melissa? Yes, it was

38:50

Maggie West. Oh, yeah! I just saw

38:52

her. I just saw her recently. Oh,

38:55

I haven't seen her forever. She's an

38:57

amazing photographer if you're a newer listener.

38:59

And she shot us both in the

39:01

nude. She did. Oh my God, that

39:03

was so funny. She shot us and

39:05

then she was like, Allison was allowed

39:07

to cover herself. And then for me,

39:09

I showed up and she went, I

39:12

expect better of you. Oh my God,

39:14

fine, Jesus. She's, I just saw her,

39:16

she like shoots bioluminescent animals in the

39:18

ocean. Like her new project thing is

39:20

that she shoots, she goes down to

39:22

the ocean and finds like the times

39:24

when the tide is in and the

39:27

jellyfish are bioluminescent and she shoots like

39:29

those, like closeups of those and stuff.

39:31

It's beautiful. Anyway, it was cool, I

39:33

just saw her. And Jasmine was second,

39:35

right? Right? Right. Yep. Just a second.

39:37

Who was third? Third was Dan. Oh,

39:39

okay. That seems right. That's right. You

39:41

know, one little tidbit about that. I

39:44

do remember you at saying we should

39:46

switch the order. And my producer brain

39:48

was like, oh, hell no. Like, we

39:50

got a system here. But I'm really

39:52

glad we did for the exact reason

39:54

you said. Like, let's sort of what

39:56

the straight dude. But also, because that

39:59

also sets it up with the idea

40:01

that it's going to be like friends

40:03

and like people we know. And that's

40:05

like not what the show became. Like

40:07

it was very much like us randomly

40:09

being interested in topics and like reaching

40:11

out to them. I mean, it's funny

40:13

now, but like before this show, I

40:16

didn't ever interview anybody. Right. Like now

40:18

I feel like one of my main

40:20

things that I think about myself is

40:22

sort of like an interviewer, both for

40:24

the podcast and now for all my

40:26

books, like this book that's coming out.

40:28

I don't know, like over like 40

40:31

interviews for it. Like, you know, like

40:33

I think of myself now as like

40:35

a professional interviewer, but we kind of

40:37

came into the show being like, I'm

40:39

sure we can figure it out. Well,

40:41

I like, you know, our fans on

40:43

a certain tier of patron. Right. And

40:45

one girl just started talking about her

40:48

like relationship drama and I could feel

40:50

Alice and be like, interested, like all

40:52

of a sudden, being like, and what's

40:54

the deal? Do you guys like each

40:56

other a lot? I love to talk

40:58

about love. I love love. Yes, I

41:00

remember you were saying to him, like,

41:02

do you have a girlfriend? Probably. But

41:05

like, I think you brought it to

41:07

me later. I think you were like,

41:09

John's got a girlfriend. Like as like

41:11

a flex. Well, because I'm sure you

41:13

probably had a crush on him. Probably,

41:15

yeah. Yeah. So I had to be

41:17

like... You know what that's what it

41:20

was? Yeah. Is that I asked? That

41:22

makes sense. Yeah. Ads up, right? Melissa's

41:24

nodding. Yeah. Well, I am flattered. Yeah,

41:26

I just like to suss out sort

41:28

of the situation, I think. Yeah, your

41:30

opportunities are, yeah. And you're the one

41:32

who gets the info. I'm a detective.

41:34

She really is. I'm wondering, like, we've

41:37

made you go on Mike, how did

41:39

you feel about that? Yes, oh my

41:41

God, I was actually really happy because

41:43

I missed being on Mike. Like, I

41:45

had been trying to, like, restart projects

41:47

and everything, and I'd just been, you

41:49

know, in Pro Tools a bunch and

41:52

writing stuff for folks, and, you know,

41:54

hadn't been talent, and I was like,

41:56

wait, you want me to be on

41:58

the Mike for this show? Because you

42:00

had to rate us at the end.

42:02

And that's what scared me. I

42:04

was like, oh God. I'm like,

42:07

I'm thinking in producer mode, like,

42:09

all right, let's cut this, let's

42:11

move that around. And then, so

42:13

I'm not necessarily thinking about what

42:15

the quality of the show overall.

42:17

I'm thinking about the quality of

42:19

the show overall. I'm thinking about

42:21

how does this episode sound? And

42:23

so I was a little bit nervous. The

42:26

first one, I need to go back and

42:28

listen. Are you kidding? I don't

42:30

remember. You make people rate all

42:32

the time. Oh, just and it's

42:34

like random stuff. Yeah, like you

42:36

know, like you, you, if you

42:38

leave a party, I remember you

42:40

would throw parties and then when

42:42

we would leave the party, you

42:45

would be like, if you could

42:47

just fill out the survey. I

42:49

had a survey at my wedding.

42:51

Yeah. I had a survey at my

42:53

wedding. There's a Q.R code so you

42:55

could fill out a survey. I was

42:57

like, we should include. that yeah you

42:59

were like we should get rated at

43:01

the end you're obsessed with getting rated

43:03

yeah I do love I only like

43:05

I like positive feedback which is why

43:07

no one could ever rate this show

43:09

below at least a hundred percent that's

43:12

true we always have to do more

43:14

than what the thing is yeah I

43:16

don't know how Sue started that I

43:18

don't know either also like so

43:20

hypotheticals I know started because we

43:22

did would you say with this cheater on

43:24

YouTube Yes, and people loved it. People loved

43:27

that. But then, how did it become named

43:29

hypotheticals? I feel like that was a you

43:31

thing. I feel like you did that. Really? Yeah, I

43:33

don't remember coming up with that. It feels like very

43:35

much an Allison thing. Yeah, well, you came up with

43:37

the other ones, like, I think like the would you

43:40

say with this cheater came from, but it was like

43:42

a segment that we would do on YouTube that was

43:44

like, the whole bit was that you would do that

43:46

you would do that, and then I would do that,

43:48

and then I would just be put upon, and then

43:51

I would just be put upon, But then there was

43:53

also truth or truth. Maybe it came out of truth

43:55

or truth. I love truth or truth. Yeah. Truth or

43:57

truth is something she would make us do on YouTube.

43:59

you had to say truth or truth,

44:02

and then you said truth, and

44:04

then you both at the same

44:06

time had to say activated. And

44:08

that would mean that you were

44:10

in the truth bubble and you

44:12

couldn't lie. Yeah, but if you

44:15

don't activate, you can lie. I

44:17

like the gaming aspect here. There

44:19

is something to the richness of

44:21

ritual, you know, it's much more

44:23

fun to have it, and then

44:25

you're kind of cute in with

44:27

the person. Yeah, so you're saying

44:29

it at the same time. And

44:31

if I forgot to say activate,

44:34

you'd be like, do it again?

44:36

Yeah, do it again. Unbelievable. I'm

44:38

very trainable is the thing. I'm

44:40

like very suggestible. Yeah, so I

44:42

think and then and then you

44:44

came up with the other ones.

44:46

I don't even remember. Yeah, I

44:48

mean, I think of the OG's

44:51

where is this a date and

44:53

then is this person in alien

44:55

or just rude, which after an

44:57

autism diagnosis we had to change.

44:59

Well, no, someone before you, way

45:01

before you got diagnosed had pointed

45:03

out that it seemed like we

45:05

were just talking about autistic traits.

45:08

Right. So then we stopped doing

45:10

that once. Yeah, and I wonder

45:12

how before we knew that I

45:14

was, how often I would be

45:16

like alien. Obviously. We're going to

45:18

take a quick break, but stick

45:20

around. And we're

45:22

back. So, okay, this was something I wanted

45:24

to talk about is, like, what were the

45:27

biggest, like, mistakes that we made? Ooh. Probably

45:29

the whole sliding our secrets across the table

45:31

thing. That was a tricky one. I don't

45:33

know if that was mistakes or just creating

45:35

drama. Yeah, people do like drama. I mean,

45:37

I feel like you're rating me right now,

45:39

or you're wanting me to rate the show.

45:41

So is a trick question, or no. Maybe

45:43

we made a mistake with the logo we

45:46

did the phone might might me pushing that

45:48

sex doll I still think the sex doll

45:50

was the right thing I can't think of

45:52

any mistakes really I think we just had

45:54

like slight disagreements with like some editorial decisions,

45:56

but even then I was just like, they

45:58

were things that I'm like, you know what,

46:00

it's their show. I'm just, I don't even

46:02

remember. I think it might have just been

46:04

like the order of the show, like how

46:07

many, yeah. Also, I remember one thing like,

46:09

I can't remember, did y'all want to listen

46:11

to the show before we put it out,

46:13

like the edited version? Yeah. I wouldn't say

46:15

it was a mistakea mistake, but I was

46:17

a mistake, but I was a mistake, but

46:19

I was a mistake, but I was like,

46:21

but I was like, Melissa right here is

46:23

feeling that pain still to this day. This

46:26

morning when I sent like five and please

46:28

cut this small small stumble that is last

46:30

for less than one second. I edit our

46:32

YouTube videos and I have for ten years

46:34

and it's that as well. I'm like she'll

46:36

be like can you cut this one thing

46:38

and I'll be like I understand. I have

46:40

to re-render the entire thing. Oh right. It's

46:42

fine. Yeah. Now I do it in like

46:44

small, like I'll do it in shitty, you

46:47

know, qualities. But when she does the edit,

46:49

then it's like in better quality. But wait,

46:51

so most people don't listen to their shows?

46:53

It depends. Some people do. I think what

46:55

in my mind, I was like, well, they

46:57

have the show on YouTube. Maybe they're editing

46:59

it. Maybe they have someone else to edit

47:01

it. So I think I mistakenly went in

47:03

thinking, oh, we're just going to put it

47:05

together and they're not going to care about

47:08

how we put it together. We're going to

47:10

hit this goal time, we're going to put

47:12

in X, Y, and Z. And then when

47:14

you're like, oh, we'd like to listen to

47:16

it, I was like, fuck. But I'm used

47:18

to listen to it, I was like, fuck.

47:20

But I am used to working with folks,

47:22

I was like, fuck. But I am used

47:24

to working. But I like to care about

47:27

how. But here we're like, like, like, like,

47:29

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I'm,

47:31

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

47:33

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

47:35

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

47:37

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

47:39

like, like, like, like, We say stuff all

47:41

the time that we're like cut that. Yeah,

47:43

yeah, and I think it really did help

47:45

because there are just some things I just

47:48

didn't know that you just say in the

47:50

moment that you're, you know, and you're like,

47:52

oh, I didn't want to say that at

47:54

all. I feel like a big mistake we

47:56

made was someone told us to do it

47:58

so we can't be. But one

48:00

of the higher producers

48:02

there told us to

48:04

link the hypotheticals to

48:06

the person's expertise. Oh, yeah.

48:09

And that was a big mistake.

48:11

Yeah. I don't remember the name

48:13

of that person, but I remember what she

48:15

looked like. No, I

48:17

remember. Yeah, that

48:19

was hard because we would

48:21

interview people about delicate things. Right.

48:23

And then to then theme

48:26

the hypotheticals around that delicate thing

48:28

was brutal. Yeah. Not a

48:30

good idea. That was a big

48:32

mistake. We also made a

48:34

huge mistake once we were with

48:36

Forever Dog, which was cutting up

48:38

the episode. Oh my

48:40

God. So Forever Dog wanted us

48:43

to, which was our network after

48:45

Stitcher, because Stitcher canceled us, whatever. Ooh,

48:47

bad mistake. Now they don't

48:49

even exist really anymore. Oh my

48:51

God. Can I say drama about

48:53

Stitcher? Please. Go for it. Okay.

48:55

So they were like, they canceled

48:57

Bad With Money during Pride. No.

49:00

After they had had me make a video

49:02

saying happy Pride from one of the queer

49:04

people that does Stitcher, blah, blah, blah. Okay.

49:06

So I made a video being like happy

49:08

Pride from Bad With Money Stitcher. But here

49:10

is this. I don't remember. And then,

49:12

so I did that maybe 2020 or

49:14

2021. So then I did that. Then

49:17

they sent me this long email being

49:19

like, we'd love to work with you

49:21

on anything else in the future. Like we

49:23

don't, you know, we want to keep the

49:25

relationship, whatever. And I legitimately wrote back, if

49:28

you want to work with me, un -cancel my

49:30

show that I already had with you. Wow.

49:32

Yeah. Why come up

49:34

with a different concept? I wrote that.

49:36

That one sentence. And then, and

49:38

then they were like, oh, no, like,

49:40

and I was like, if you

49:42

are going to cancel something that I've made,

49:44

why would I continue to work with you?

49:46

Exactly. I wrote that back. And

49:50

then they cancel you after they've canceled JBU.

49:52

And then I remember, I don't know who

49:54

I was sharing on the emails. Maybe you,

49:56

maybe not, but I was sharing them with

49:58

someone who was just like. Get them.

50:00

I can't remember who it was. It

50:02

was like maybe Drew or someone, like a

50:04

friend of mine who was like, I was

50:07

like, is this too much? And they were

50:09

like, go for it. Jugular. Seriously? Oh

50:11

my gosh. I know so much I

50:13

can say about Stitcha, but I will

50:15

leave it alone. But that's wild. Yeah.

50:17

I also love to send a rude business

50:19

email. I love it. Just be, you

50:22

know. Just come with it, because that

50:24

is ridiculous that they they even said

50:26

that to you. Also, she was saying,

50:28

why didn't they send that to us

50:30

about J.B.U? Why do they only want

50:33

to keep working with you? Oh. I

50:35

forgot that, but thanks for bringing it

50:37

up. You brought it up. You're all

50:39

mad. And I was like, no, I

50:41

forgot, I didn't know, I didn't have

50:43

that in my brain until this moment

50:45

that you just said it. Yeah, but

50:48

then it was like, Did they even

50:50

like call y'all to tell you or like

50:52

send an email be like, hey, let's hop

50:54

on like a video chat or something?

50:56

Like, how did they tell you? Was

50:58

it was like in Colorado with

51:01

my parents and my ex-fiance and

51:03

was like, yeah, we're canceled. We've had

51:05

so many. I would say in the

51:07

course of me and Allison working together,

51:09

we've had so many like harrowing speaker

51:11

phone conversations. Oh yeah. Oh but so

51:14

the thing with Forever Dog, Forever Dog

51:16

was like, hey, we need to get,

51:18

if you, if you release twice a

51:20

week, then we'll get more money in

51:22

ads. And I was like, all right,

51:25

I guess. And so then we cut

51:27

up the show where like only the

51:29

interview and hypotheticals was one day and

51:31

then like topics and IQ was

51:33

the other day, making it like.

51:36

half our listenership by doing that.

51:38

So that was a mistake. Yeah.

51:40

Yeah, they were just all about

51:42

capitalism there, right? The small indie

51:44

network. No, it's interesting, yeah. Yes,

51:47

a small indie network all about

51:49

making money. Yeah. And then I would

51:51

argue that the other place we were

51:53

at didn't prioritize making money enough,

51:55

in fact. Well, so the first

51:58

year we went with Forever. they

52:00

we took a garbage deal where we literally

52:02

made no money the whole year and

52:04

then the next year our manager like fought

52:06

them tooth and nail and then they

52:08

then they gave us too much money and

52:10

then we sunk the show. Well because

52:13

what happened was our main our main sponsor

52:15

was BetterHelp and so we like every

52:17

day would get people so pissed rightly with

52:19

us for promoting them because they're like

52:21

not a great yeah company as much as

52:23

I wanted them to be a great

52:25

company because I think that like accessible telehealth

52:27

therapy is like a wonderful thing if

52:30

done correctly yeah it like became clear that

52:32

they were like not doing it correctly

52:34

and so then we had to be like

52:36

to forever dog like hey like we

52:38

just can't do this anymore and then we

52:40

like ran out the contract then we

52:42

like lost our biggest sponsor so that screwed

52:44

them over a lot. You know what

52:47

helps though is that with bad with money

52:49

I just say I don't really care

52:51

about the sponsors guys it's just I just

52:53

need money and then someone will be

52:55

like there's an ad for Border Patrol and

52:57

I'll be like yeah I didn't choose

52:59

it. I'm

53:01

so transparent with them like I'm like listen

53:03

get the stuff or don't I don't

53:05

really care I'm I need money. I

53:09

will say when I think about nice things people

53:11

have said to me yeah one is when I was

53:13

doing gossip with you or like you came into

53:15

gossip later but like I would do all the ads

53:17

with you I'd come in once a week and

53:19

do the ads and you were always so nice and

53:21

you're always like you do such a great job

53:23

with these and I think about that all the time.

53:26

Like whenever I read an ad or I have to

53:28

do like an announcer voice I'm like John believes

53:30

in me. You

53:33

read the ads all the way

53:35

through like you and I are like

53:37

a machine like that there are

53:39

probably people that stumble on the ads

53:41

all the time. Oh for real

53:44

now y 'all do a great job

53:46

yeah. I had to do one about

53:48

that the sous -avos thing where you

53:50

put the you put a chicken

53:52

in a bag. Yeah that was tough

53:54

for me because it's called sous -avos

53:56

from now on. I like that

53:58

better because now when we record ads

54:00

Gabe does all the hard pronunciations. But I

54:02

was just for gossip. I had to do them all solo. I just

54:04

got another compliment. I'm very good at people's

54:06

names and I just got another compliment from

54:08

someone out of brunch I went to had

54:10

like a difficult name and she said it

54:12

once to me. I asked her to say

54:14

it again. She said again. And then I

54:16

introduced her to someone else and she went,

54:18

how did you do that? I was like

54:20

I don't know. It's an important skill set.

54:22

I have like an ear for language

54:25

and pronunciation. Okay, here's a question. Before

54:27

we ask you to come back on

54:29

to this special day, when was the

54:31

last time you listened to our show?

54:33

Today! Today! But that's when we'd asked.

54:36

Yes. But when before we had asked

54:38

you? A few months ago. Really? Yeah.

54:40

Oh wow. I thought you were going to be

54:42

like about four and a half years to

54:44

take out on. No, no, no, no,

54:46

no. I try to pop in a

54:48

podcast I've listened to or I've produced

54:51

or I've produced or I've produced here

54:53

and there or I've produced here and

54:55

there. Ha ha ha ha! But

54:57

I do, and I love

54:59

how y'all have evolved it.

55:01

And I really do like

55:03

the read-it segment, the read-it

55:06

episodes, because I've been getting

55:08

really into read-it. I'm so

55:10

in it. I'm like, oh, I didn't

55:12

think I'd ever be. I mean,

55:14

I still don't understand it.

55:16

I mean, it's still don't

55:19

understand it. I mean, it's

55:21

still don't understand it. I

55:23

mean, it's still insane. I

55:25

don't know. Like, the comments are

55:27

clutch for that. They'll be like, no.

55:29

But then why do you trust the

55:31

comments? I don't know. It's not stuff

55:33

that, like, matters. Like, I'm like, wow,

55:36

this is a wild story. It doesn't

55:38

matter if it's true, really. Yeah, that

55:40

makes sense. And I'm like, y'all

55:42

spend a lot of time on

55:44

here. Like, you just ever look

55:46

at, there's like 500 comments for,

55:48

like, like, on the I am

55:50

the main character, the main character

55:52

subreddit, subreddit, subreddit, subreddit, 550 comments

55:54

on like someone who's just doing

55:56

something crazy at a restaurant and

55:58

I'm just like, love it. has

56:00

time to be out here. I never comment.

56:02

Same. So do you think that's generational though?

56:04

Do you think that if we were like

56:07

10 years younger it would have been way

56:09

more normalized to comment and then we would

56:11

comment? No, because I feel like I get

56:13

the sense that some of the people who

56:16

do comment are on like their 30s or

56:18

40s, but there may be something to it.

56:20

I don't know. I just feel like a

56:23

bigger percentage of younger people comment than our

56:25

age. Boomers, I feel like Boomers and Gen

56:27

X comment because they like came up like,

56:29

oh there's comment sections on newspaper articles now.

56:32

Like they like came when that started to

56:34

be a thing because before that the Boomers

56:36

had letters to the editor. Yeah. And that's

56:38

pretty much it. Let me tell you my

56:41

grandpa wrote a lot. He was not a

56:43

boomer, but he wrote a lot of letters

56:45

to the editor. Yeah. About what kind of

56:48

stuff. if a restaurant wasn't good or if

56:50

somebody wrote like a review of something and

56:52

he disagreed or if like you know like

56:54

what you would think of as a comment

56:57

but he would just write a letter to

56:59

the editor about it yeah they just get

57:01

so heated like when I worked at NPR

57:03

the amount of letters that host would get

57:06

over the most ridiculous stuff like you didn't

57:08

pronounce Baghdad right yeah and that's like a

57:10

letter in the mail we get we get

57:12

emails of correcting us a lot but sometimes

57:15

it's valid You know what? I don't read

57:17

any of the emails. And let me guess

57:19

they're from like cis white guys, right? No.

57:22

No. Just from everyone. From everyone? Yeah. It's

57:24

from everyone. But here's the thing is that

57:26

I don't like to read reviews because it's

57:28

they're not for me. Like what am I

57:31

going to do, change my behavior? No. No.

57:33

It's for other people to see if they

57:35

want to tune in or not tune in.

57:37

I am who I am. No, we took

57:40

a comment recently that we agreed on because

57:42

someone had written in saying we had interviewed

57:44

a psychic and they were very upset that

57:47

we'd interviewed a psychic because it felt like

57:49

we were like promoting something that wasn't real

57:51

and she said some stuff that was a

57:53

little questionable about COVID and yada yada. And

57:56

so then I sent it to you gave

57:58

and then you went okay. no more psychics.

58:00

So we took the note. That's not

58:02

about me personally. But I feel like a

58:04

lot of times it's about our guests. We

58:07

get like a lot of comments about who

58:09

we have on, if they said bad things,

58:11

like yeah. I that psychic did say

58:13

something nuts about COVID. On

58:15

second thought, allude to the

58:17

idea that perhaps people

58:20

that got COVID. No, it

58:22

was that people that are

58:24

really afraid of COVID. The

58:26

only reason that they're so

58:28

afraid is because in their

58:30

past life they had died from

58:32

the black leg. No. What? She said

58:35

it as an example of how a

58:37

past life might come into play. Got it,

58:39

got it, got it. Were you all sitting

58:41

there? What was your reaction to that?

58:43

I think I did pretty well considering

58:45

how I was feeling. I found it

58:48

offensive because it's minimizing COVID fears. Yes,

58:50

which I feel like isn't valid because

58:52

we should be afraid of COVID and

58:55

it's very normal to be afraid of

58:57

COVID. Yeah. Of course. And so that

58:59

I didn't like, but I mean, I

59:02

feel like. For things like that, when

59:04

we have people on like astrologers,

59:06

it's like, I always am like,

59:08

I don't believe this, like I'm

59:10

pretty honest with them. I'm not

59:12

like promoting it to the audience

59:15

is like, and this is the

59:17

truth that I believe. It's more

59:19

like, what's your point of view?

59:21

Like, what do you believe? And

59:23

then me being like, you know,

59:25

which I feel like is different

59:28

than me being like, and I

59:30

vouch for astrology. I'm open to having

59:32

them on the show because I'm like,

59:34

yeah, let's give it a go. Like,

59:37

I'm open, let's see. And that's why

59:39

we've had so many problems due to

59:41

the Joe Rookin podcast of just giving

59:43

voice to people with bonkers ideas. Yes,

59:46

yes, yes, yes. So it's pretty dangerous.

59:48

Just allowing someone on your show gives

59:50

them a level of credibility. You're giving

59:52

them platform. Yeah. We've cut people off

59:55

who have brought up just randomly, like

59:57

brought up weight and weight and weight

59:59

loss. Like the amount of times it'll

1:00:01

be someone who like is like pretty

1:00:04

on point for other stuff and then

1:00:06

we'll just be like, and you'll lose

1:00:08

weight and we're like, uh, uh, uh,

1:00:10

uh, what is this? No. No. How

1:00:13

did this get in here? You're like

1:00:15

cut any reference to his epic right

1:00:17

now. What's wrong with you? Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:19

I'm gonna say something controversial. It's actually...

1:00:22

like really medically like helpful. Oh yes

1:00:24

but that's different than like my stupid

1:00:26

friends who are just injecting it while

1:00:28

they snort ketamine at revolver. Whoa wow

1:00:31

that's a combo. Wow I didn't even

1:00:33

know that was a thing. The stupid

1:00:35

gay friends of mine who are just

1:00:37

refrigerating it and giving it away to

1:00:40

each other. But I guess I originally

1:00:42

was I was afraid that it was

1:00:44

very dangerous and that like it would

1:00:46

come out that like it had all

1:00:49

these you know and at this point

1:00:51

now I feel like it's proven to

1:00:53

like actually be like really helpful and

1:00:55

effective for a lot of people. So

1:00:57

I would like to, I've changed my

1:01:00

opinion on it. If used correctly. Yeah,

1:01:02

well right, used correctly. Yeah. I don't

1:01:04

like that it is now reinforcing that

1:01:06

we all need to be thin again

1:01:09

and we're just throwing the body positivity

1:01:11

movement out the window. Yes, yes. I

1:01:13

don't like that, but I do think

1:01:15

for certain people like I don't think

1:01:18

there should be like shame around taking

1:01:20

it if your doctor prescribed it if

1:01:22

your doctor prescribes it. I find an

1:01:24

issue with people using a drug in

1:01:27

one way for another. Like a drug

1:01:29

that they're not necessarily supposed to use.

1:01:31

But now it's getting prescribed for it.

1:01:33

Right. So that's one thing. But I

1:01:36

mean, it is like, because it's originally

1:01:38

a diabetes medication. So when I heard

1:01:40

people using it for a late loss,

1:01:42

I was like, is this what like

1:01:45

my friends did with Adderall to stay

1:01:47

up at night in college? Like that's

1:01:49

the same thing. And I took such

1:01:51

issue with that. I was like, well,

1:01:54

he clearly needs it. And with the

1:01:56

Adderall shortage now that's still going on.

1:01:58

I'm like, we gotta stop. Like there

1:02:00

has to be some like, yeah, stop

1:02:02

this. So that's where my mind goes

1:02:05

when it comes to it was

1:02:07

epic. Oh yeah, because I've seen

1:02:09

my sister not on her Adderall

1:02:11

and it's terrifying. I used to

1:02:13

be on so much Adderall in

1:02:15

college. What? I don't know. The

1:02:17

lady was like, you need this. I was

1:02:20

like, okay. I was any different. I

1:02:22

don't think I was any different.

1:02:24

I think I was falling asleep

1:02:27

while driving. Oh, okay. You know, I've been

1:02:29

heard about the narcolepsy mists, but that's different than

1:02:31

like my stupid friends who are just injecting it

1:02:33

while they snort ketamine at revolver. Wow, that's a

1:02:35

combo. Wow, I didn't even know that was a thing. Stupid

1:02:37

gay friends of mine who are just refrigerating it and giving

1:02:39

it away to each other. But I guess I originally was, I

1:02:41

was afraid that it was very dangerous and that like, like, it would

1:02:43

come out that like, like, it had all these, you know, like, like,

1:02:45

like, like it had all these, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:02:48

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:02:50

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:02:52

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:02:54

like, like, like it's proven to like actually be

1:02:56

like really helpful and effective for a lot

1:02:58

of people. So I would like to, I've

1:03:01

changed my opinion on it. If used correctly.

1:03:03

Yeah, well right, used correctly. Yeah. I don't

1:03:05

like that it is now reinforcing that we

1:03:07

all need to be thin again and we're

1:03:09

just throwing the body positivity movement out the

1:03:12

window. Yes, yes. I don't like that, but

1:03:14

I do think for certain people like I

1:03:16

don't think there should be like shame around

1:03:18

taking it if your doctor prescribed it

1:03:21

if your doctor prescribes it. I find

1:03:23

an issue with people using a drug

1:03:25

in one way for another. Like a

1:03:27

drug that they're not necessarily supposed to

1:03:30

use. But now it's getting prescribed for

1:03:32

it. Right. So that's one thing. But

1:03:34

I mean, it is like, because it's

1:03:36

originally a diabetes medication. So when I

1:03:39

heard people using it for a late

1:03:41

loss, I was like, is this what

1:03:43

like my friends did with Adderall to

1:03:45

stay up at night in college? Like

1:03:47

that's the same thing. And I took

1:03:50

such issue with that. I was like,

1:03:52

well, he clearly needs it. And with

1:03:54

the Adderall shortage now, that's still going

1:03:56

on. I'm like, we gotta stop, like, there

1:03:58

has to be some. I'm like, yeah,

1:04:01

stop this. So that's where my

1:04:03

mind goes when it comes to

1:04:05

it was epic. Oh, yeah, because

1:04:07

I've seen my sister not on

1:04:09

her Adderall and it's terrifying. I

1:04:12

used to be on so much

1:04:14

Adderall in college. What? I don't

1:04:16

know. The lady was like, you

1:04:18

need this. I was like, okay.

1:04:20

All right. All right. Well. You

1:04:23

don't even heard about the narcolepsy

1:04:25

misdiagnosis? Then I was misdiagnosis narcolepsy.

1:04:27

I had to take a liquid

1:04:29

medication that's also used as a

1:04:31

date rape drug. It was a

1:04:34

wild time. It was a wild

1:04:36

summer. What? Sometimes I think about

1:04:38

my life now and I'm like,

1:04:40

things are pretty good. Yeah, you

1:04:42

have said that. Okay, but before

1:04:44

we dive into hypotheticals, we had

1:04:47

two other producers throughout the years

1:04:49

before we we have, well, Melissa

1:04:51

actually came in and out. Do

1:04:53

you want to share the timeline?

1:04:55

Do you remember the timeline better

1:04:58

than me? I don't remember the

1:05:00

exact timeline because I know I

1:05:02

came in after John left, but...

1:05:04

You must have come before Tamika.

1:05:06

Yeah, me and Kristen were there

1:05:09

at the same time for an

1:05:11

amount. Okay. working together on the

1:05:13

show? Yeah, like for a hot

1:05:15

second, because I only came, because

1:05:17

I didn't work for Stitcher, right?

1:05:20

Indie producer, and I had podcasts

1:05:22

that were like part of Stitcher's

1:05:24

ad network, but not part of

1:05:26

Stitcher, so midroll. Oh, yes, midroll,

1:05:28

I remember. And so I was

1:05:31

in the studio, and they just

1:05:33

like knew me as a producer.

1:05:35

So then I was asked to

1:05:37

fill in a belief in between

1:05:39

Kristen and Tamika. Okay, yeah. We

1:05:42

have, we invited both of them

1:05:44

to join us on this episode,

1:05:46

but they weren't able to. But

1:05:48

we have little messages from them.

1:05:50

Tamika sent in a lovely, lovely

1:05:53

note. She says, their discussions about

1:05:55

mental health and relationships on the

1:05:57

show helped ship some of the

1:05:59

limiting beliefs I have. about my

1:06:01

ability to care for my own

1:06:04

mental health and my ability to

1:06:06

find a healthy relationship prior to

1:06:08

working on JPU. Oh, to me. Oh, to

1:06:10

me, that was amazing. She was

1:06:12

so sweet. She was so sweet.

1:06:14

Then we left Stitcher and then

1:06:16

when we went to Forever Dog,

1:06:18

we were like, we pick our

1:06:21

own producer and we were like,

1:06:23

we want Melissa again. Yeah, baby.

1:06:25

Back baby. Back baby. That is what

1:06:27

happened. Yeah, because Samika was full-time. It's

1:06:29

a teacher. Yeah, so we couldn't take

1:06:32

her with us. Right. And then

1:06:34

Kristen sent in a voice memo. Let's

1:06:36

hear it. Hi, Allison. Hi, Gabe. It's

1:06:38

Kristen. I just wanted to wish you

1:06:40

a happy fifth year anniversary of just

1:06:43

between us. Five whole years. I cannot

1:06:45

believe it. How time flies when you're

1:06:47

having the best time ever. I had

1:06:49

so much fun making the

1:06:52

show with you all and

1:06:54

John and we had some

1:06:56

pretty silly moments and some

1:06:58

really fun guests and I

1:07:00

just like loved the variety

1:07:03

nature of the show when

1:07:05

we first got started.

1:07:07

I loved all the games

1:07:09

and I kind of asked

1:07:12

myself this question all the time

1:07:14

when someone asked me to

1:07:16

coffee. Is this a date? Well,

1:07:18

I love you all. Thank you

1:07:21

so much for the fun memories

1:07:23

and congratulations. Oh, that's

1:07:25

really sweet. Oh, she's

1:07:28

the best. I interviewed her

1:07:30

for a grad school paper once.

1:07:32

Oh, really? About what? I

1:07:34

don't really remember. I think

1:07:37

it was for I think

1:07:39

it was for my cultural... Class,

1:07:41

I know exactly, she was

1:07:43

lovely, she was very helpful

1:07:45

and nice. So thank you

1:07:47

for that as well, Kristen.

1:07:49

I wrote so many papers.

1:07:51

I don't remember what that

1:07:54

order. Okay, so now, it is time

1:07:56

for America's favorite game

1:07:58

show, Hypothetical! And if

1:08:00

for some reason, this is your first

1:08:02

episode listening to this show. Welcome. Hypotheticals

1:08:04

is a game show where Gabe and

1:08:07

John are going to be my contestants.

1:08:09

I'm going to give you a series

1:08:11

of hypothetical situations. You can ask any

1:08:13

clarifying questions you might have, and then

1:08:15

you tell me what you would do

1:08:17

in that situation. You know, it's funny.

1:08:20

If this was someone's first episode, we

1:08:22

could have been making this all up.

1:08:24

This could have been like one big

1:08:26

yes and improv game. Like when the

1:08:28

Back Street Boys first single was Back

1:08:30

Streets Back? Yep, just like that. It

1:08:32

was like, I didn't even know about

1:08:35

you. Before, do you have a favorite

1:08:37

hypothetical that any of you remember? Good

1:08:39

lord. Wow, wow. What was the one

1:08:41

that made me laugh so hard that

1:08:43

I was, it was like, something to

1:08:45

do with, was piss apples part of

1:08:47

it? Okay, so the one that I

1:08:50

remember the most is we did, it

1:08:52

was one of our live shows on

1:08:54

the East Coast. Yeah. and it was

1:08:56

about a kid who peed the bed

1:08:58

and then we put him in a

1:09:00

pea bath like that let them mom

1:09:02

like put him in a bathtub to

1:09:05

pee in the bathtub instead or something

1:09:07

and it was like a live show

1:09:09

we were just dying about the pea

1:09:11

bath on the ground yeah pea bath

1:09:13

was one pissed bath was one and

1:09:15

then I was not ready for that

1:09:18

one I remember being physically like dying

1:09:20

from laughing and then what was the

1:09:22

apple one I don't know, but I

1:09:24

do know that Melissa recently said that

1:09:26

I did one of her favorites, but

1:09:28

now I can't remember what it was.

1:09:30

And neither can I. No! But it

1:09:33

was exciting because, you know, it's hard

1:09:35

to come up with these. So I

1:09:37

have a winner this far down the

1:09:39

line. Well, kitty bags. Oh, that was

1:09:41

a classic. Yes, kitty in the big

1:09:43

old city. That was one where we

1:09:45

had fan art created off of that

1:09:48

type. Yeah. Allison. Allison said that there

1:09:50

was a graphic novel. called Kitty in

1:09:52

the big old city and that and

1:09:54

that the it was like you are

1:09:56

the author your partners the author of

1:09:58

it and they meet kitty bags who's

1:10:00

the actual lead of their comic book

1:10:03

and they have to sleep with her

1:10:05

because their character came to life. And

1:10:07

then I think you didn't even, you

1:10:09

said her name was kitty bags. And

1:10:11

then me and the guests were like,

1:10:13

what's the graphic novel called?

1:10:16

And because Allison's so

1:10:18

quick with these responses,

1:10:20

she said, kitty in

1:10:23

the big old city. And

1:10:25

then somebody drew a graphic

1:10:27

novel, kitty in the big

1:10:30

old city, the cover. Get

1:10:32

out. Wow. America's favorite game

1:10:34

show, would you stay with this cheater? So,

1:10:36

okay, I have to admit that like,

1:10:38

some of what I'm doing here is

1:10:41

kind of like throwbacks. Oh, there's

1:10:43

like some things that are familiar,

1:10:45

but like, yeah. The Allison Hypothetical

1:10:47

Cinematic Universe. Exactly. Which people I

1:10:50

bet have tracked, like, I bet

1:10:52

people would be a woman. Yeah,

1:10:54

yeah, yeah, they're all connected. You're

1:10:57

a partner of 27 years, high

1:10:59

on laughing gas for a minor

1:11:01

dental dental surgery. Okay. confesses

1:11:04

that before you met, they

1:11:06

have a sordid love affair

1:11:08

with a married woman that

1:11:11

lasted for three weeks. Babe.

1:11:13

A what love affair? Sordid.

1:11:15

Sordid. Okay. Sordid. Torid is

1:11:18

one word and sordid is

1:11:20

another word. What is SORid?

1:11:23

D is another word. What

1:11:25

is SORid? which is a

1:11:27

combination of sorted and torrid.

1:11:30

It's even more meaningful. Okay,

1:11:32

had some sort of love

1:11:34

affair with a married woman

1:11:36

that lasted for three weeks.

1:11:39

They felt so much guilt over

1:11:41

this, they vowed to never speak

1:11:43

of it again so they could

1:11:46

live with themselves. They stuck to

1:11:48

this vow, even when you started

1:11:50

dating, and they realized that

1:11:53

woman is your mom. Oh

1:11:55

wow, so many twists. The

1:11:57

twists of it being your mom.

1:11:59

is a classic hypothetical's twist. Oh

1:12:02

my gosh. Are my parents still

1:12:04

married? Yeah. And my dad doesn't

1:12:06

know. No. Nobody knows other than

1:12:08

you, other than your partner, now

1:12:10

you and your mom. And it's

1:12:12

27 years. Yeah, 27 years. Why

1:12:14

did my mom never tell me?

1:12:17

Why would she own up to

1:12:19

that? Are you kidding? If a

1:12:21

guy, I'm like so baffled. If

1:12:23

someone came and said, I said,

1:12:25

this is my partner to meet

1:12:27

my mom. And like, no, your

1:12:30

mom, I mean, your mom is

1:12:32

clearly in this scenario an incredible

1:12:34

liar because they pulled off a

1:12:36

three week sordid love affair. Hmm,

1:12:38

right. So they're a devious person.

1:12:40

They would have a poker face.

1:12:43

Yeah, exactly. Hmm, dang. This is,

1:12:45

I'm trying to think of other

1:12:47

questions. 27 years. 27 years. And

1:12:49

it was only three weeks. Yeah,

1:12:51

and it was before they met

1:12:53

you. And the entirety of our

1:12:55

27 years. Did my mom and

1:12:58

my partner ever hang out? How

1:13:00

deep did it get? Like, how

1:13:02

intimate did it get? Do we

1:13:04

know? It was incredibly, it was

1:13:06

an incredibly, Melissa's gonna throw. No,

1:13:08

no, no, no. Keep going, you

1:13:11

said deep and it made me

1:13:13

laugh, like how deep did it?

1:13:15

Yeah, Melissa has the sense of

1:13:17

humor of a 13 year old

1:13:19

boy. I see what I did

1:13:21

there. Okay. Who's had access to

1:13:24

the internet for way too long?

1:13:26

Yeah, it was, it was a

1:13:28

super, super sexual relationship, but not,

1:13:30

like, they didn't have good banter,

1:13:32

and that's why it was only

1:13:34

three weeks. But she didn't feel

1:13:36

bad about my dad at all?

1:13:39

Your mom or your partner? No,

1:13:41

like, my mom didn't care, like,

1:13:43

didn't feel bad about my dad.

1:13:45

Well, when the affair was happening.

1:13:47

No, I mean, she thought that

1:13:49

she was getting her own needs

1:13:52

met. Did, do we know why

1:13:54

the affair happened? Like did, how

1:13:56

they meet? Yeah, like how they

1:13:58

meet. Yeah, they met. through a

1:14:00

sports league. A T-ball for adults

1:14:03

sports league. And weirdly enough,

1:14:05

they were the only two people

1:14:07

that showed up because people don't

1:14:09

really want to play T-ball as

1:14:11

a total. Okay. Well, so that

1:14:13

feels a little better because she

1:14:16

wasn't like on the apps trying to

1:14:18

like cheat on my dad. Well, she

1:14:20

was as well. Oh, well, that's not

1:14:22

how she made your partner. I'm out.

1:14:24

I am out being bad. I'm out.

1:14:27

My partner should have told me.

1:14:29

Oh, okay. We're leaving. Yeah, we're

1:14:31

leaving. We're leaving. And well, guess

1:14:33

what? You just got a new

1:14:36

stepparent because the moment you get

1:14:38

divorced, they get back together. Oh,

1:14:40

man. Your partner's now your

1:14:42

stepparent. Ah. That's probably happened

1:14:45

in the history of time

1:14:47

and space. Wouldn't doubt it. Yeah.

1:14:49

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oof. All right. Speaking

1:14:51

of. Our next game. Are you

1:14:53

a terrible parent? Wow. Better or

1:14:55

worse than that mom in the

1:14:57

first one? Okay. It's just my

1:15:00

dad's story. You find out

1:15:02

that your wife of the

1:15:04

three-week-old had a three-week affair

1:15:06

with a guy she met

1:15:08

at a T-ball. T-ball for

1:15:10

adults. T-ball for adults. Is this

1:15:12

a dig at my kickball league? I

1:15:14

know, but I had to think of

1:15:16

something that you're not currently

1:15:19

playing to make it more exciting.

1:15:21

Okay, got it. You suspect it is

1:15:24

out of jealousy since they want

1:15:26

to be your best friend. So

1:15:28

you come up with a plan

1:15:30

to disguise your best friend as

1:15:32

an elderly nanny, all a

1:15:34

Mrs. Doubtfire. So they can watch

1:15:36

your kid for the day. And

1:15:38

once your kid is having a

1:15:41

good time, your friend will take

1:15:43

off their mask and reveal their

1:15:45

true identity, thereby proving your kid

1:15:47

actually likes them. Are you a terrible

1:15:50

parent? Yes, because if I was that

1:15:52

kid I would constantly like someone would

1:15:54

do something and I'd be like take

1:15:56

off your mask Who are you really? Yeah, yeah

1:15:58

I would be I would be like my kid would

1:16:00

be out of theme park just

1:16:02

ripping the heads off things. Yeah.

1:16:05

Are you my friend? It's like

1:16:07

the mission impossible problem where you

1:16:09

have to feel everyone's nicks to

1:16:11

see. Is that known as the

1:16:13

mission impossible problem or do you

1:16:15

just make that up? I like,

1:16:17

I mean, I love that. Yeah.

1:16:19

But I will say in the

1:16:21

world of mission impossible, everyone seems

1:16:23

to know that you can do

1:16:25

that. And what, so why aren't

1:16:28

more people checking people's next? I

1:16:30

agree. They're like falling for this

1:16:32

all the time. Number one rule.

1:16:34

Check your neck. Check your neck.

1:16:36

Couple questions. Yes. When they're hanging

1:16:38

out, your best friend disguises a

1:16:40

nanny and your kid. Right. What

1:16:42

are they doing? They are playing

1:16:44

T-ball for kids. The way T-ball

1:16:46

is supposed to be playing. Okay,

1:16:48

here's the thing. And I would,

1:16:50

I would, if my kid didn't

1:16:53

like my best friend, I would

1:16:55

side with my kid. Really? Yeah,

1:16:57

because it feels like when like

1:16:59

a dog growls at someone, it's

1:17:01

like, what do you know that

1:17:03

I don't know. So if you

1:17:05

had a kid and they didn't

1:17:07

like me, you would cut me

1:17:09

out? Yeah. All right, well, I

1:17:11

guess it's good. You're going child-free.

1:17:13

Yeah. Definitely. Oh my gosh. Okay,

1:17:16

why doesn't your child? Like your

1:17:18

best friend or in this situation.

1:17:20

Well, so that's the thing. There's

1:17:22

no real reason they just go

1:17:24

they're annoying they sting They suck.

1:17:26

I hate them. They stink. No,

1:17:28

they're actually really lovely. I think

1:17:30

it's like a jealousy do they

1:17:32

smell that I don't know they

1:17:34

have I recently bought the odorant

1:17:36

just a side Are you talking

1:17:38

about historically? I've never worn deodorant

1:17:41

because for a long time I

1:17:43

didn't smell and then only one

1:17:45

armpit smelled so I thought I'm

1:17:47

cruising But lately I've realized I

1:17:49

do smell. So I finally bought

1:17:51

a deodorant and I think it's

1:17:53

working. You can't smell yourself. Oh

1:17:55

yeah you can. I always wear

1:17:57

deodorant or some kind of something

1:17:59

because I don't if I'm not

1:18:01

smelling myself I'm I feel like

1:18:04

I don't know I thought you

1:18:06

couldn't really smell yourself and you

1:18:08

got to take care of other people.

1:18:10

Well I don't think did you have I

1:18:12

ever smelled to you? No but you know

1:18:14

what it is also is that your hair

1:18:16

is so it smells good from you washing

1:18:18

it all the time and it's so all

1:18:20

encompassing that like even if your armpits did

1:18:22

smell bad I would never know because your

1:18:24

hair is like the main thing thing of

1:18:26

you. That's one of the best compliments I've

1:18:28

ever been given. Wow. That's

1:18:30

my truth. Wasn't even a

1:18:32

compliment. Thank you. Thank you.

1:18:34

All right, so that was

1:18:36

my deodorant update. The best

1:18:39

friend is actually really lovely

1:18:41

and doesn't smell. Hmm. I think

1:18:43

I'd be compelled to hang out

1:18:45

with his best friend outside. Yeah,

1:18:47

without the kid. Without the kid.

1:18:49

Yeah, that's me. Yeah, that's where

1:18:51

I'm going. Yeah, that's where I'm going.

1:18:54

Yeah. Yeah. You think you wouldn't have

1:18:56

a rude kid? It would be

1:18:58

a family ties situation where I

1:19:01

actually have a very uptight Republican

1:19:03

child. Oh my god. Sort of

1:19:05

an Alex P.K. situation. Yes.

1:19:08

Imagine. Yes. Okay. All right. So

1:19:10

that we're going terrible parent. Yeah.

1:19:12

I mean, why does your kid

1:19:14

need to hang out with your

1:19:16

best friend? Like. Yeah. Also you

1:19:18

can't Mrs. Dout fire your

1:19:20

way out of all your

1:19:23

problems. But about half you

1:19:25

can. The mission impossible problem,

1:19:27

right? Okay. Our final game.

1:19:29

Is this a date? You

1:19:31

are in a divorce support

1:19:34

group. So sorry. Everyone in

1:19:37

the group tends to cry

1:19:39

a lot. Sure. Other than

1:19:41

you and this one other

1:19:43

person who are mostly just

1:19:46

mad. One day after a

1:19:48

session. The non-crier asks if

1:19:50

you want them to make

1:19:53

a piñata of your ex-spouse

1:19:55

so you too can hit

1:19:57

it with bats. There will

1:19:59

all... Be one of their ex. Is

1:20:02

this a date? Where are you

1:20:04

doing it? Is it at the

1:20:06

support? No, at their home. Oh,

1:20:08

at their home? Yeah. Why are

1:20:10

they so good at Pinatas? They

1:20:13

got a Pinatagat. Yeah, they got

1:20:15

a Pinatagat. They got a Pinatagat.

1:20:17

Why do you mean that? This

1:20:19

guy can turn anything into a

1:20:21

Pinatah. They got a Pinatagat. Yes,

1:20:24

they do. Wow. What a plex.

1:20:26

I've never heard of that. Okay.

1:20:28

Okay. Well, do I historically cry?

1:20:30

Have I cried ever in my

1:20:32

life? Oh yeah, but like you're

1:20:35

not, you go to the support

1:20:37

group and everyone's crying all the

1:20:39

time, but you guys are mostly

1:20:41

just angry at your exes. Yeah,

1:20:44

but I, I can cry. Yeah.

1:20:46

What evidence do I have that

1:20:48

other person can cry? No evidence.

1:20:50

Exactly. So, sociopath. Not at all

1:20:52

the question. That was not what

1:20:55

we were asking. And that's very

1:20:57

rude because a lot of people

1:20:59

are on medications that make it

1:21:01

hard for them to cry. That's

1:21:03

true. Fair enough. Fair enough. I'm

1:21:06

trying to catch you in whatever

1:21:08

thing you're trying to catch. Is

1:21:10

it going to be something where

1:21:12

it's the same X and they're

1:21:14

just trying to tell me that

1:21:17

by bringing a piniata of the

1:21:19

of... No. Okay, I'm not answering

1:21:21

the question. I'm just trying to

1:21:23

figure out what your angle. What's

1:21:25

your angle? Well, I'm thinking how

1:21:28

was this arranged arranged this arranged

1:21:30

like. How was it asked that

1:21:32

like, hey, let's, you know, make

1:21:34

these pinnatas? So after a group,

1:21:36

they like, you guys are like,

1:21:39

heading out and they're like, hey,

1:21:41

I got this pinnata guy. Would

1:21:43

you be interested in sort of

1:21:45

a pinnata event with me? I

1:21:47

have great, I have, I have

1:21:50

aluminum bats. No way. I don't

1:21:52

know about that. I don't think

1:21:54

that that's true. I mean, I

1:21:56

just call metal bats, but I

1:21:59

guess they're are made out of

1:22:01

a little bit. No, metal bats

1:22:03

are illegal. Really? MLB and

1:22:06

MLB teams are affiliated

1:22:08

can use woodbats only. Yeah.

1:22:10

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, the pros.

1:22:12

Prose is woodbats. Yes,

1:22:14

you cannot use an aluminum

1:22:16

bat. Right, for pros, but

1:22:18

college and under. Well, per

1:22:21

pinyadas. Yeah. No rules for

1:22:23

pinyadas. It's a date. You know,

1:22:25

it's feeling like, okay, one last

1:22:27

thing. Was there. Is this like the

1:22:29

first time they're talking after class? Like

1:22:32

was this sort of like, you know,

1:22:34

some sort of vibe going on?

1:22:36

No, like they've actually never spoken

1:22:38

to anyone in the class until

1:22:40

right now. Serial killer. Not the question.

1:22:42

What proof do I have that

1:22:44

they're even divorced? Because they had

1:22:46

one of those ring tattoos? Where you

1:22:49

get a ring tattoo? Let me

1:22:51

finish. Dexter went to AA because

1:22:53

he was trying to stop serial

1:22:55

killing, but he pretended he was

1:22:57

an alcoholic. Okay, well, you know

1:22:59

what? Five years in, I'm done playing

1:23:01

this game with me. I'm only playing

1:23:04

with the guests from now

1:23:06

on. Okay, but then there's

1:23:08

no competitive element. That's true.

1:23:10

Melissa will be subbing in.

1:23:12

Come on. I sit in the corner

1:23:14

with my back, like a dunce

1:23:17

and they're like, what happened to

1:23:19

your co-host? They're banned. Yeah, they

1:23:21

got a lifetime band. Well, here

1:23:24

is the thing. Big Reveal. It

1:23:26

was a date because when you

1:23:28

hit the pinyat of your ex,

1:23:30

Outfall's formal stationary asking

1:23:33

you out. Oh! That's cute! Very

1:23:35

nice! I actually would love that

1:23:37

if someone did that about my

1:23:39

ex. Yeah. I don't really like that.

1:23:41

That is, uh, that's nice. Don't jump

1:23:43

ahead. Wait for the journey. Feels very

1:23:45

cathartic. Right? Yeah. Honestly, I kind of want

1:23:48

to do that. No, I'm okay. It's, it's,

1:23:50

it's, you know, it's fine. Make one of

1:23:52

my eyes. You should get it. Meek could

1:23:54

make your wife a piniana and put

1:23:56

something nice in it. Yes, true. Yeah, oh,

1:23:59

I was going to say. like make a penny

1:24:01

out of my X and then do

1:24:03

that. But it feels a little too

1:24:05

far. I mean, it's like my last

1:24:08

X was like six years ago. What

1:24:10

about a co-worker? You don't like currently.

1:24:12

Oh, I could do that. Yeah. Remember

1:24:14

when one of my X's made their

1:24:17

X a, uh, But it was after,

1:24:19

I dug my key into the site,

1:24:21

you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

1:24:23

People were, or waiting to exhale, I

1:24:26

guess, she explodes the car. People are

1:24:28

doing property damage to their exes a

1:24:30

lot, actually. What I did when, when

1:24:32

Glep, I put all this stuff at

1:24:35

a corner for him to get it,

1:24:37

and then I put photos of us

1:24:39

throughout the stuff so that he'd have

1:24:41

to uncover them. That is brilliant! You

1:24:44

never told me that. Wow. That is

1:24:46

so brilliant. Thank you so much. Oh

1:24:48

shit. You're like, this is what you

1:24:50

missed. Yeah, because we had all these

1:24:53

photos on the fridge of us, so

1:24:55

like our happy life together, and I

1:24:57

like kind of. put them in his

1:24:59

stuff for him to discover. Like eight

1:25:02

years from now, he's gonna open a

1:25:04

book and a photo of you is

1:25:06

gonna fall out. I think I only

1:25:08

put it like one or two places.

1:25:11

I really should have like put it

1:25:13

everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. Yeah. So, so funny.

1:25:15

I love that. I'm stealing that. Just

1:25:17

imagine him just being like, God damn

1:25:20

it, another one! That's so funny. Well,

1:25:22

this has been so fun, we can't

1:25:24

wait to have you back in five

1:25:26

more years. Honestly, I hope it's shorter

1:25:29

than that, but I also hope the

1:25:31

show goes five more years. Oh, thank

1:25:33

you. We should do anniversary show every

1:25:36

year. Why not? Right? I love it.

1:25:38

We should appreciate each other more. Celebrate

1:25:40

our anniversary every year. We should. We

1:25:42

have our tenure coming up. Our YouTube

1:25:45

tenure. What's 10 years? Diamonds? What's 10

1:25:47

years? No, 50 years is diamonds. Wood?

1:25:49

Wood? I don't know. I have to

1:25:51

get you something wooden? Maybe. Well, thank

1:25:54

you so much for creating our show.

1:25:56

Where can people find you and follow

1:25:58

you and all the stuff you're doing

1:26:00

now? All right, yeah. So there's my

1:26:03

website, John Asante.com. Somehow that URL wasn't

1:26:05

taken and I made that website

1:26:07

last year. Oh, that's amazing. Lucked

1:26:09

out. But I'm mostly on

1:26:11

the Graham at the John

1:26:13

Asante, A-S-A-S-A-N-T-E, and Twitter, or X,

1:26:15

whatever the hell you call it,

1:26:17

at JK-B Asante. And that's pretty

1:26:20

much it. Yeah. This is

1:26:22

so circular. This is so

1:26:24

circular. The traditional 10-year anniversary

1:26:27

gift is aluminum. Aluminum.

1:26:31

I don't know, but I'm

1:26:33

getting you a bath. Stick

1:26:35

around after the break.

1:26:38

We'll be talking all

1:26:40

around five years. Stick

1:26:42

around after the break.

1:26:45

We'll be talking all

1:26:47

about five years from

1:26:49

now. Welcome

1:27:01

back to Just Between Us.

1:27:03

It's time for topics! X,

1:27:06

X, X, X, X, X,

1:27:08

X, X, X, B, B, B.

1:27:10

We got a fancy one. A

1:27:12

high one. Okay, so we won't

1:27:14

dive into this too much because

1:27:17

it might fill us with X's

1:27:19

essential dread. But where do

1:27:21

we think that will be

1:27:23

in five years? We as

1:27:25

an individuals or we as

1:27:27

a podcast. Let's do both.

1:27:29

Or maybe we can say

1:27:31

where we want to be

1:27:33

in five years, not where

1:27:35

our anxiety fears that we

1:27:37

will be. I'll be almost 40,

1:27:40

which is kind of cool. Yeah.

1:27:42

I think I'll probably have

1:27:44

a beard. I hope. How long?

1:27:46

Just like a nice like stubbly

1:27:49

beard. Not like a Santa, you

1:27:51

know what I mean? Like a

1:27:53

just kind of like a roguish

1:27:55

like a roguish. Do you like

1:27:58

it like perfectly? manicured?

1:28:00

Yeah, yeah, okay. You're thinking that or

1:28:03

more scruffy? No, no, no, probably, I

1:28:05

mean, I don't want like, I don't

1:28:07

want like a, if it turns out

1:28:09

the beard hair is sort of fluffy,

1:28:12

I don't want it. So we'll see.

1:28:14

And maybe I'll, I'll have more like,

1:28:16

I'll be built or something. Oh. These

1:28:18

are just physical. And then, and then

1:28:21

also like, and then also like, okay,

1:28:23

I'll have finished my movie, like almost

1:28:25

done on a on a second on

1:28:28

a second movie. That would be cool.

1:28:30

For this podcast, I hope like there's

1:28:32

a technology where the podcast is just

1:28:34

directly into your mind. And maybe we

1:28:37

don't have to, okay, we don't even

1:28:39

have to record it. We just think

1:28:41

thoughts and then we can put it

1:28:43

directly. Five years is too short for

1:28:46

that. We all live in space. In

1:28:48

five years? Yeah. And okay, so the

1:28:50

world, so climate change did some bad

1:28:52

stuff. And now we're recording in space.

1:28:55

We, you think that we're in like

1:28:57

the first bunch of people that gets

1:28:59

to go to space? Definitely. Well, it's

1:29:01

a lottery system. And we all three

1:29:04

of us got it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

1:29:06

All right. Do we use to bring

1:29:08

our families? Yeah, can our families come?

1:29:10

Well, no. I'm not going. You guys

1:29:13

are losers. I'm out of here. What

1:29:15

about you? So we're doing physical first.

1:29:17

Yeah, too physical. I didn't mean to.

1:29:19

I didn't mean to. I'm trans, I'm

1:29:22

trans. My ass will be extra fat.

1:29:24

Good. Do you do do a lot

1:29:26

of squats? Oh yeah, and I got

1:29:29

a personal trainer now. Shout out to

1:29:31

Alex, not... Interesting. You got a personal

1:29:33

trainer? Yeah. Wow. And they come in

1:29:35

person? We do virtual. Virtual. Yeah, because

1:29:38

I got a gym at my house,

1:29:40

so. Wow. I have to go anywhere.

1:29:42

That's great. Yeah, I'll look great. Do

1:29:44

you think you'll be... taller? I thought

1:29:47

that as well. I won't be taller.

1:29:49

I don't want to, I like to

1:29:51

be the size that I am. I

1:29:53

have no desire to be taller. Yeah,

1:29:56

I mean, I just, I'm going to

1:29:58

improve with age. There's no doubt about

1:30:00

that. Yeah, you're gonna age like a

1:30:02

fine one. And then mentally, I hope

1:30:05

I'm in a lot better place

1:30:07

than I am. I see

1:30:09

myself, my mom is currently

1:30:11

interviewing for a job in

1:30:13

Santa Barbara. And I feel

1:30:16

like that'll get me closer

1:30:18

to Oprah because Oprah

1:30:20

basically I was there

1:30:22

and Montesito. And so

1:30:25

they'll become friends naturally.

1:30:27

Right. they're the same

1:30:29

person as it is anyway. And

1:30:31

then that will, I'll be invited

1:30:33

to Oprah's Easter that she has

1:30:36

every year. So I'll be four

1:30:38

years in at that point. And

1:30:40

career wise, I. Oh, that's not

1:30:42

career. You're just friends with Oprah?

1:30:44

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

1:30:46

I was like, and then what

1:30:48

does Oprah do for your career?

1:30:50

Nothing. She's just your friend. He's

1:30:53

just my friend. I mean, I

1:30:55

have a few shows on own

1:30:57

own, but. Or I will be

1:30:59

working on General Hospital and I

1:31:01

will also have a child. Ah,

1:31:04

cool. Just one? Just, I

1:31:06

mean, Preston. We'll see. Preston

1:31:08

Diamond. Yeah, maybe more. We're

1:31:11

supposed to go in a

1:31:13

pregnancy pack together. There we

1:31:15

are. You could join in,

1:31:18

but you don't want to have

1:31:20

kids. I was going to say,

1:31:22

go where I can't follow. You

1:31:24

can, you just don't want to? No,

1:31:26

I don't have a period. Yeah, but you

1:31:29

could go off tea. Eh. No thanks. Or

1:31:31

you could adopt? Yeah. Or you could surrogate?

1:31:33

You could steal? I could also have a

1:31:35

wife. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Maybe

1:31:37

Game has a wife. You guys don't know?

1:31:39

Maybe in five years, Game has a

1:31:42

wife. That would be lovely. You didn't

1:31:44

say that in your five-year plan, so

1:31:46

we couldn't know. No, I didn't say

1:31:48

it. No, I didn't say it. Do

1:31:50

you, like, in your heart, do

1:31:52

you feel like you will ever

1:31:55

have a wife? I don't know.

1:31:57

It's kind of up in the

1:31:59

air. Yeah. Part of me is like,

1:32:01

maybe that's just not, that's just not

1:32:04

for me, maybe the, the, and I

1:32:06

mean wife spiritually, like a spouse, like

1:32:08

a partner, a spiritual wife. But I

1:32:10

don't know, sometimes I'm like, maybe that's

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