0:01

There's no place to escape to. This is the

0:03

last task on the left.

0:08

Bloodbloodgloo. That's when the cannibalism

0:10

started. What

0:12

was that? Alright.

0:20

Here we go. So right now,

0:23

we may be stranded on the side of the road

0:25

because Let's face it.

0:27

You're a bad driver. Whoa. Oh,

0:29

you may be looking at your home, your village,

0:32

your town, burnt to the

0:33

ground. By vile

0:36

protesters.

0:37

Oh my goodness. But don't you wish that you

0:39

could do

0:39

something about it? Don't you wish that there was someone

0:42

there? To handle it?

0:44

Yeah. Take care of it. I do wish

0:46

there was someone to handle it and take care of

0:48

it. I am feeling really down. Curious.

0:51

I see you are. I'm pretty curious.

0:53

I'm feeling pretty

0:54

sad. Yeah. That's very good.

0:56

I have nowhere to go. No way to

0:58

go. Perfect. And we have just the six

1:00

foot seven three hundred and thirty

1:02

pound empty space. Yeah. For

1:04

the perfect. That's size. Yeah.

1:07

Welcome aboard, clam. Whoa.

1:11

He was the right amount of curious. Yeah.

1:14

Curious. Curious. Welcome to the last

1:16

podcast on the left everyone, curious

1:18

Ben. Here with Marcus

1:20

Ed, Henry. Oh,

1:22

you? Curious Ben.

1:23

Yeah. Yes. You're settling in with curious

1:26

Ben. I like curious Ben. If I see

1:28

a tree, I shake it and try to figure out what's

1:30

gonna fall out. Sometimes it's a cat, sometimes it's

1:32

a

1:32

squirrel, sometimes it's a lamest.

1:34

Sometimes I'll just wanna see

1:36

what it looks like with no

1:38

clothes. Curious, Ben.

1:41

I'm a bit curious. It

1:43

seems the area between my pockets

1:45

is the most

1:46

curious. Hard to bear.

1:48

Well, that's a little offensive. Alright,

1:51

everyone. Today's episode and a series

1:53

of episodes to follow. We're covering

1:55

David, Miscavige, of course,

1:57

of Scientology fame.

1:59

Yeah. Coming for you, you tiny bit. Whoa.

2:02

And you guys are the exact say my No.

2:04

I know. Tower over this

2:06

dude. Dude, this he David,

2:08

just so sure. Tower

2:09

is very -- Yep. -- over this guy.

2:12

Miscavige is so short.

2:14

How short is he? He

2:15

has to go up on his wife whose

2:18

dad He's dead in big

2:20

bear. I

2:23

accept it. I love it, and I'm

2:25

in. Now, when we did our series

2:27

on Scientology founder, Al Ron

2:29

Hubbard, six or so years ago, we

2:31

ended it somewhat abruptly with his death

2:33

in nineteen eighty six, mostly because what

2:36

came next in the story of Scientology was

2:38

far too large to

2:40

broach.

2:40

Yeah. Merrantly, it's another three episode

2:42

series worth of information. Yes. See,

2:45

after Elron Hubbard died, he was

2:47

succeeded by a twenty five year

2:49

old goblin with an incredible amount

2:51

of energy who threw us brilliant

2:53

series of highly calculated corporate moves

2:56

have positioned himself to weasel

2:58

his way into the top spot despite

3:00

the fact that he was a relative unknown

3:02

amongst the rank and file at the

3:04

time. Okay. Sometimes it's about heat. It's what

3:06

takes you to the top. Look at the Spotify ranks.

3:09

Comes down to your Yeah. Doctor

3:11

Greg

3:12

Aldman. He's the number two podcast

3:15

in the world. He's

3:16

doing a lot of great anal research right

3:18

now. Annal Play.

3:20

Oh. This goblin's name

3:23

is David

3:24

Miscavige. Oh,

3:25

shit. And don't you fucking forget. Yeah.

3:28

And he's now actually been the top

3:30

man at Scientology for far

3:32

longer than

3:32

L. Ron Hubbard was ever in charge.

3:34

We realized that we did

3:35

the math as we were doing the production call. And, you know,

3:38

because it's all LRH, LRH because, again,

3:40

he's the hardened soul. Mhmm. He's the adventure

3:42

in romance. Mhmm. He's the creator of it

3:44

all. He's the body. Yes. Thanks.

3:47

Georgia. Yes. But David Miscavige,

3:50

he gets in there and he really just

3:52

tears at the fuck

3:53

up. Yeah. Yes, he is the human equivalent

3:56

of

3:56

a mouse in a cereal around a series of

3:58

elephants, and it makes the elephants go --

4:00

Oh, crazy. -- but

4:01

it shows he's the one extended. He's

4:03

the I think we calculated it

4:05

was, like, thirty one years that LRAD

4:07

was in charge and now he's at close to thirty five.

4:09

Wow. Miscavige is

4:11

the man who made his religion a forced

4:13

to be reckoned with in Hollywood. The man

4:16

who took cue from Catholicism and

4:18

turned Scientology into a real estate

4:20

empire. But most importantly, he

4:22

was the man who secured tax

4:24

exempt status. Yes.

4:28

But when do we get it? You

4:30

have to start your church already.

4:32

Yeah. My thoughts academy. He

4:35

has to be called a church, or you don't get tax

4:37

exemption. Yeah.

4:37

Church of Thought Academy.

4:40

I'm a deacon. But

4:42

David Miscavige is also

4:44

the man who let this incredibly powerful

4:46

organization get to the point where they

4:49

could be chipped away at and taken down

4:51

by South

4:52

Park, Stacey from say by the bell

4:54

-- Whoa.

4:55

-- fucking Fortune. Because

4:56

if you all remember the first real target

4:58

of the so called hacker collective anonymous,

5:01

it was Scientology. Yep. And that was the

5:03

fur really the first time Scientology really

5:05

wobbled was when 4chan went after him

5:07

hard. But to be fair, when it comes to the Scientology

5:10

episode of South Park, South Park did

5:12

have some ramifications. Jeff left.

5:14

Yeah. Oh, he's the case. It was, like, the only

5:16

time other than the Muhammed episode,

5:19

which was a little controversial as

5:20

well. But it was the only time where the guys actually

5:22

had some blowback from within. And and Nancy

5:25

Cartwright also was who's a voice for the Simpsons.

5:27

She barts him. She's like, she's a famous scientist

5:30

and is famously EXNADE SEVERAL EPISOs

5:32

OF THE SIMPSONS THAT HAD SOME FORM OF

5:34

SCIENTOLOGY JOK WITHIN THAT SHE WOULD

5:36

NOT PARTicipated IN -- SHE KNEW she'd

5:39

have to go through a hell of a rundown.

5:41

Yeah. She actually came and spoke

5:43

at Texas Tech when I was in college in the early

5:45

two thousands And

5:46

afterwards, she came down to speak to everyone

5:48

was very nice, but she had a big fat

5:50

stack of Scientology pamphlets with

5:52

her. What do you mean something like this? You

5:55

guys can't see it home.

5:56

No. I have. That's a huge

5:59

book. Feel how heavy this book is. Jesus.

6:01

Seriously feel a heavy this fucking book, because this is

6:03

the entire class five handbook

6:06

I have. And guess what I'm doing today?

6:08

Don't know you can not read it. Our precious

6:10

audience is gonna learn a lot about David and

6:13

Mhmm. But I'm gonna heal, Marcus.

6:15

Resontological

6:17

act. Tungsten said, give me this. Give

6:19

me this for one second

6:20

before we get into this. Tungsten said, look, our biggest

6:22

thing is it is a it is a collection

6:24

of every single piece of tech

6:27

that you can get from a class five

6:29

by

6:30

kind of tea. It's for volunteer ministers.

6:32

No. A volunteer ministers.

6:33

Which means guess what? Not getting paid.

6:35

Oh, great. Why are you a

6:36

volunteer? Congrats. Yeah.

6:37

You're a volunteer who has to pay for

6:39

the materials is that you used to volunteer.

6:42

I have the privilege to paying for the material because

6:44

then I have the privilege to go teach it for free.

6:46

This is the most asinine

6:49

view of drug

6:50

use. I have been able to only with drug.

6:52

There's a executive where it shows a guy doing cocaine

6:55

with a full Fountain drink

6:57

straw, which I guess is very

6:59

hygienic. But you don't wanna

7:01

get too close to the table. Alright. Well,

7:03

today, David, Miscavige is a

7:05

man with enemies on all sides.

7:08

Desparately trying to deflect questions about

7:10

the decades long disappearance of his wife

7:12

while coming out of hiding only to film

7:14

commercials showing off his admittedly

7:17

fantastic new hair plugs.

7:19

Yeah. He looks like a like, you know,

7:21

those old commercials for batteries that have

7:23

the plastic people. Yeah. Yeah. The yeah. The Energizer

7:25

people. Yeah. He looks

7:26

like that. It's very nice. Yeah. They look like that.

7:28

Primest video for somebody's beaver,

7:31

I known as Big Brown beaver. Now

7:33

despite their shrinking Scientology

7:36

is still a well funded organization. As

7:39

is evidenced by the two Super

7:41

Bowl ads they aired just this previous

7:43

Sunday. Curious. That, by the way,

7:45

was the eleventh consecutive Super

7:47

Bowl that the church has had enough money

7:50

to purchase at least one

7:51

spot. Now I am gonna just just just do just

7:53

do a little bit of pushback. Gutfeld

7:55

also had to. Yeah. Okay. Cat

7:57

Tim good good on your cat. But gut filled

8:00

at two commercials also. They might

8:02

not be as expensive as they

8:03

were. There's no way. They

8:05

I'm like, I'm

8:05

seven million dollars. Seven for those

8:08

ass.

8:08

Bullshit is on.

8:09

Dude, what the fuck you talking about? Gutfeld is on

8:11

fucking Fox News, the Super Bowl is on Fox.

8:13

Gutfeld. Yeah. He probably cut.

8:16

Have a break. And also, I believe

8:18

most spots are between they are between two and

8:20

seven. It depends on where in the game they

8:22

they air. It was an interesting smattering

8:24

of Jesus, Scientology, and

8:26

God filled together. But I'm just but the

8:28

m and m is her back. Yay.

8:32

wanna fuck each one

8:33

of them. They're little mouths. Oh,

8:35

that's the only place to do it. Yep.

8:37

No. It lets you crack open the shell. No.

8:39

No. No. No. That's where their pussy's and their dick's

8:42

are. That's true. That's true. That's true.

8:44

I mean, I did show you guys that picture that naked

8:46

in M and M last week, and it did have

8:48

breast and a

8:49

vagina. Not a single bit of pubic

8:51

hair, though. Not a single bit of pubic hair on that M and M. And I thought that

8:53

was brave, and

8:53

that I will say that the M and M did have boobies

8:55

that we all recognize. You're doing this? Of

8:58

course, David, Miscavige. Here

9:00

we go. Well, from what we know,

9:02

the longer a miscarriage is in charge,

9:04

the more membership numbers crater.

9:06

Mhmm. He is put simply a weirdo.

9:09

A manic frat boy believe

9:12

A sharp toothed little boy with ADHD

9:14

who was both confusing and cruel

9:16

with his insults and punishments. He's like

9:18

that kid from that episode of King of the Hill, but dusty

9:21

old bones full of green dust kid. He's gonna

9:23

keep bullying Hank and riding around on his

9:25

fucking lawn over and over dusty old

9:27

bones full of green

9:28

dust, that's David Miscavige. the

9:30

thing is,

9:30

it's a really effective way to

9:33

just devastate the human minds.

9:34

Of course, if you it's a it

9:36

truly is a psychological trick. Like,

9:39

the idea of saying to you a nonsense

9:41

call you a clam. And then everyone

9:43

laughing. Right in there, I'm like, yeah, sure. For

9:45

a clam. And they're like, what do you mean? What

9:47

do you mean? Yeah. It's it's weird. They'd

9:49

say a thing to you. It makes no sense to you,

9:51

but they're all happening like you just got burned out of

9:53

your fucking shoes.

9:54

Well, the follow-up is why how am I a

9:56

clam? don't wanna be a clam. Yeah.

9:59

And then you have to move on to

10:01

unclamming

10:02

yourself. Excellent. Shucking.

10:04

Shuck.

10:04

It's called Shuck. Miss

10:07

Cabbag is the man who introduced physical

10:09

pain and torture to the world of Scientology.

10:12

Whereas in the days of Elrond Hubbard, it

10:14

was more about control and money.

10:16

Yes, it was predatory. Of course, it was. But

10:18

it wasn't that physical. LRH,

10:21

I mean, again, truly, like,

10:23

I'll strip away some of my ironic

10:26

love of

10:26

LRH. I do understand he was a

10:28

difficult man. Badger's badger's

10:30

shit. Bad guy, con man,

10:32

thief, and he did all the shit. But

10:35

within him --

10:36

Creator of a religion. Creator of religion.

10:38

Yeah. But there's a part of me that, like like,

10:40

I know for a fact that, yes, LRH like control.

10:42

But really what LRH really liked

10:44

was his uniform, and he liked his

10:46

hat. And his corgis? He loved his corgis.

10:49

He loved being on his boat. He loved ever

10:51

recall, and I'm sure even though he he was

10:53

bad at everything. He loved all the trappings

10:56

of being the leader where and then

10:58

he kind of was like truly very kind of

11:00

introspective and thought that, like, oh,

11:02

maybe in some way, I believe in all

11:04

of this that I'm talking about. And

11:06

I can kind of check my own way out of

11:08

this. I can figure out how to do this, but David

11:10

Miscavige was his

11:12

violent hand, like a dying

11:14

LRH, had violence in his heart,

11:17

and it reached out, and it chose

11:19

David

11:19

Miscavige, and then David Muscabich became

11:22

the fucking slapping hand of So

11:24

L. Rodhobbert is still responsible for

11:26

his own creation of Cytology. Miss

11:29

Cabot. Absolutely.

11:30

And say what you will about Elron Hubbard,

11:32

but the man certainly had what you'd call

11:34

an adventurous

11:35

spirit.

11:36

Yeah. I think that that's safe to say. Yeah. An eater's

11:38

mouth and body He did. But the

11:40

difference between Hubbard and Miscavige

11:42

is that Hubbard is at his core. He's

11:44

a romantic. As Henry was saying, he loves

11:47

his little boats. He loves the adventure

11:49

of everything. Miscavige? He doesn't

11:51

have a fucking ounce of poetry in his soul.

11:53

No. David, miss Cabbage came into Scientology

11:55

playing an entirely different game

11:57

than everyone else. Miscavige was playing

12:00

the corporate game, and he turned

12:02

Scientology into a reflection of his

12:04

own character. But really the main

12:06

question that we're wanting to answer with this series

12:08

is, how does a cult survive

12:10

the death of its founder? Put another

12:12

way, it's sort of like a band losing its lead singer.

12:15

It's like how Joy Division became new order

12:17

after Ian Curtis died. But would you not say that

12:19

some people like new order more than Joy Division?

12:21

Yeah. And some people like David more than

12:23

they like to Elron

12:24

Hubbard. Some people

12:25

like food fighters more than Nirvana. That's

12:27

where those people. A lot of people. I mean,

12:29

I like them both, but

12:30

David Letterman's favorite musician is

12:33

Warren Zvonne followed by Fufhyders. And

12:35

he's got his finger on the pulse of everything that's

12:37

in and out right now. The kids loved

12:39

the fun. They gig it

12:40

enough. But just as the tensions that existed

12:43

in Joy Division became magnified after the

12:45

death of Ian Curtis until Peter Hook was eventually

12:47

and wrongfully forced out of new

12:49

order.

12:49

Does anyone knows who he's talking

12:51

to.

12:51

I know because I listened to the series. But, yes,

12:53

it's this is Marcus as a gen. Okay. So too,

12:56

did Scientology take on a different

12:58

tone after Elrond was dead.

13:00

Speaking of a change in

13:01

tone, when it comes to Scientology defectors,

13:04

there are basically two camps. There are

13:06

those who say Scientology always

13:08

has been and always will be a scam. That's

13:10

one scam. For a scam that you like,

13:12

that just the game. Yes. And it

13:15

or if it's your

13:15

lifestyle. And that's you knew and you like it, but

13:18

it's still scam. Yeah. It's still scam.

13:20

You're still paying through the nose to play this

13:22

game. But then, there are those

13:24

who would still believe even after

13:26

they've left the church that Scientology is

13:29

real. They just believed that Miscavige

13:31

came in and perverted Elrond

13:34

Hubbard's

13:34

vision. Well, it's because they didn't go through the goddamn

13:37

handbook and don't understand that it's about touch

13:39

your knees. Mhmm. And then if you I didn't read a whole

13:41

thing, and I'm gonna work do this with you. I'm gonna

13:43

try to work too. How you could make

13:45

somebody sober using Scientology

13:47

like, let's do it. Let's do it. Alright.

13:49

Because you showed up. You showed up hammered. I saw here you

13:51

drove. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Look

13:53

at the liquid death. Uh-huh. Look at

13:55

the liquid bath. Yes. Look at the liquid

13:57

bath. Yes. Look at the liquid bath. Yes.

14:00

Look at the waterloo. Look at

14:02

the waterloo. Okay. No. You haven't moved. Look

14:04

at the fucking water when I'm looking at

14:06

it. Say yes. Yeah. Look at the liquid

14:08

death.

14:08

Yeah. Are you sober? No.

14:10

Yeah. I can't keep doing too sober. It is

14:12

literally what you're supposed to do. Yeah. Well,

14:13

it definitely could put you in a different kind

14:15

of mind funk as a sort of focus

14:18

perhaps. Yeah. You could also just lie and say,

14:20

yes, I'm not sober. Yep. I mean, that's kind of the

14:22

game. And then you find out whether or not you believe, the lie,

14:24

and guess what? You just got Scientology.

14:26

Alright. But no matter their philosophy,

14:29

the people who have left Scientology over

14:31

the last few decades have been incredibly

14:33

vocal, and we therefore have an abundance

14:36

of sources when it comes to figuring out

14:38

just who David Miscavige is

14:40

and Scientology has gotten to the

14:42

point that it now finds itself in twenty twenty

14:44

three. Most helpful in this have

14:46

been the books going clear by Lawrence Wright,

14:49

a classic in the cult genre, and

14:51

a billion years by Mike Reinder.

14:53

The latter of which being the most harrowing

14:55

because it was written by a former member of

14:57

Scientology inner

14:58

circle. And there's also a real I got some good information

15:01

from Beyond belief by Jenna Miscavige,

15:03

who is David Miscavige

15:04

niece. And there's a little bit of kind of understanding,

15:07

a little more context in the two. It's there's a

15:09

lot of fucking sources. Yes. It's just interesting to

15:11

remind ourselves they all have families. Mhmm.

15:13

Oh, yeah. You know, he's just somebody's uncle.

15:15

Oh, no. They shouldn't. Just calls him

15:18

uncle

15:18

Dave. That's the whole thing. Like,

15:20

well, I can't believe that Uncle

15:22

Dave would allow me to be doing manual

15:25

labor in a desert in

15:26

California. And it's a I don't

15:28

think he's Uncle Dave anymore. No. He's

15:30

he's a screaming psychopath. But

15:32

for the early years of David Miscavige'

15:35

life, we have no choice but to mostly rely

15:37

on the words of his father. Ron,

15:39

Miscavige, who co wrote a wobbly

15:42

takedown of his own son called

15:44

Roofless, and that's where we'll begin

15:46

our journey today.

15:47

Yeah. I still don't like any father

15:49

who writes AAA

15:51

what a a dis book about their

15:53

children. Yeah. I just don't like it.

15:55

When parents take down their kids,

15:57

even if their kids are horrible, you created the motherfucker.

15:59

He's such a absolute I'm just gonna

16:02

go and just I mean, whatever we

16:04

do believe here in the concept

16:06

of rehabilitation. Yes. We do. We do

16:08

believe at some point you should

16:10

be able to work yourself

16:12

out of the sins that you've done in this

16:14

life so that you could move on

16:16

and change and

16:17

grow. Sure.

16:18

But, Ron, why would anyone change and grow if

16:20

there's no forgive If there's no forgiveness, but

16:22

Ron must averages his dumb piece of shit.

16:24

Oh, and if we read his book. Right.

16:26

Like a ruthless is just sounds like a cut

16:28

from Grover's corner. It's like it's just like a

16:30

moon. I'm just a smoke down Scientology.

16:33

But it's the way he covers his

16:35

own son is interesting because he doesn't go whole

16:37

hog. No. Interripping him to pieces. So Because

16:39

he is a Scientology. Yes. One is

16:41

what? Sort of the whole thing, because Ron, all

16:44

he wanted to do was play the fucking trumpet.

16:46

Okay. And there was from I'm from Mount

16:48

Carmel. It's called Mount Kam.

16:50

Yeah. And the pronunciations with the car

16:53

upfront. It's not Mark Kamau. This is

16:55

in a town made out of candy. Okay.

16:57

It's called Mount Kam. Caramel. And

16:59

it was a it was a mining town. People

17:02

were hard workers who most worked in the coal mines.

17:04

The town was like a little Europe. My family

17:06

was Polish, but there was also Slovakia,

17:09

Italians, Irish, Germans, truly

17:11

a potpourri of humanity. No.

17:13

I'm not sure it smelled just like popery

17:15

-- Football was king. people lived and

17:18

died by the fortunes of the high school team.

17:20

That's healthy. If you were on the Mount Carmel

17:22

football team, You could do no wrong. You could

17:24

be caught robbing a store. What

17:26

is the point of all that? And the cop would school

17:28

the store owner for reporting. You're now on Friday

17:30

nights at the

17:31

mall. What is the point of the band and the

17:33

cheerleaders in March down third Street from

17:35

the high school to the stadium and the down turnout

17:37

didn't cheer them

17:38

all and following by Sure. No. No. No. No. No. No. To

17:40

do. Yeah. And

17:41

after the game up, people head down to Muthuji.

17:43

Muthuji had some

17:44

bar and restaurant.

17:45

Muthuji was that some sort of Scientology stronghold?

17:48

That's why you're leading. Oh, no. We're going

17:50

through all. That's where we got our pretzels.

17:53

Yeah. But the thing is, you remember when you're in

17:55

this town, now next to football, the only other thing that

17:57

people have not come over was a Scientology.

18:00

Muse music. See if a minor saw

18:02

kid who played an instrument being picked

18:04

on, he'd say, hey, lay off that kid.

18:06

He's a musician. think that's a live by Rhonda

18:09

because he played music and was picked

18:11

on and wished that someone would defend him. And when you none

18:13

of you understand it was that was life in the

18:15

cold reach The values I grew up with him what

18:17

I wanted to instill in my own

18:18

children. And for three of the four,

18:21

I think it worked out pretty well. It

18:22

was the values raised. Number four,

18:26

yes. Number four was one of the most dangerous

18:28

cult leaders that I choose to all the time ever

18:30

exist.

18:31

But Three out of

18:31

the four. And they just

18:33

turned out pretty well. Then ninety

18:34

five percent of my kids are not hyper

18:36

dangerous international felons.

18:39

What do you want me to do? He wanted the

18:41

year to be? Also, I don't know what

18:43

morality tale he was trying to spend because it

18:45

sounds like they're praying on teenagers trying

18:48

to live their lives through their eyes once

18:50

again. And then inevitably the teenagers become

18:52

the coal miners, and then they watch all the other

18:54

kids play football and then it's vicious cycle of

18:56

alcoholism and

18:57

sadness. Then

18:58

you mean the American dream.

19:00

Oh, god. David, Miscavige

19:03

was a twin. Born April

19:05

thirtieth nineteen sixty. Whoa. Yeah.

19:08

We're both horses. Wow. Good

19:10

job. Moving on.

19:14

He was born to Loretta and Ron

19:16

Miscavige in the suburbs of New Jersey.

19:19

Loretta was a recent nursing school graduate

19:21

and Ron was a marine vet turned cookware

19:23

salesman. Regular middle class family.

19:25

Sure. Yep. But while most people handled

19:27

the middle class struggle with a

19:29

problem, Ron was physically abusive

19:31

towards his wife on regular basis, and that

19:33

comes from Ron. How dare you say that? That is

19:35

called aggressive learning than

19:38

I was taught in the marades. Yeah.

19:40

That's what he said. He said he ran his family

19:43

like it was in the marines. And, yes,

19:45

yes, it might have been harsh at times.

19:47

Sure. But I'm once you are marine,

19:49

you're always

19:50

marine, especially when you're having

19:52

sex with your wife. Well, number one, you were in the

19:54

navy, so it's gonna make fun of you for

19:56

that. And second of all, your wife is a nurse and you

19:58

sell cookware. So maybe

20:00

you're not the brains of

20:02

the operation. I'll kill anybody within

20:04

five

20:05

feet. Oh, you are more violent though, I see. Iran

20:07

only partly takes responsibility for his

20:09

abusive nature as an influence on

20:11

his son's violent personality. Instead,

20:14

Ron said, there must be something in David's

20:16

DNA that makes him a dominating vol

20:19

vindictive

20:19

psychopath. Does he

20:20

not take any responsibility for that?

20:22

Nope.

20:23

No. Because he'd probably should.

20:24

He's only half of it. Yeah. Come on, man. Three

20:27

out of the four. Three out of the four.

20:28

Three out of nine. It's not baseball.

20:32

He's gotten point 75I

20:34

mean, that's phenomenal. It is. But

20:36

when David, Miscavige was a boy,

20:38

he was mostly defined by his extreme

20:41

asthma. Which is what brought the Miscavige

20:43

family to Scientology. See,

20:46

Ron, miscarriage was what you'd call

20:48

a born

20:48

sucker. Me. No. I

20:51

was a marine until I was

20:53

I literally was born a marine. Yep.

20:56

He'd gotten pulled into a pyramid scheme

20:58

called holiday magic that

21:00

sold fruit scented cosmetics

21:03

and distributed leaflets that said that Avon

21:05

salespeople they're not more in doom

21:07

squad.

21:07

Yeah, man. You know, those Avon salespeople

21:10

are. They need to be rounded up and put

21:12

in a can.

21:13

So he was even dumber than

21:15

the Avon people.

21:16

Yes. Well, he he said that, like, it

21:18

seemed like a no brainer. Some people said

21:20

it was a pyramid scheme, but I just said it was

21:22

an idea that didn't prop really take off.

21:25

Holiday magic, it is now taught

21:27

in criminal justice courses as the

21:29

most obvious pyramid scheme in

21:31

modern

21:31

history.

21:32

There's a lot of

21:32

people to say it's more of a square business.

21:35

Yeah. Wow. Holiday

21:37

magic. Holiday magic. Yeah.

21:39

And they smell and they sell scented

21:42

makeup. Fruit scented makeup. Cosmetics.

21:45

This one makes you smell like a

21:46

cucumber, Barbara. This is really nice.

21:48

Oh, yeah. You're really on that time of the month. You're

21:51

gonna wanna smell like a

21:52

pineapple. Oh, Barbara. I guess you must have used all

21:54

that makeup that makes you smell like another man's

21:56

comp.

21:57

Oh, this is amazing for This is Anyway,

22:00

it's almost like it is com No. No. No. That's

22:02

just the mango. Mm-mm. But

22:04

what's interesting about holiday magic is

22:06

that it was founded by the co owner of

22:08

a company called mind

22:10

dynamics. Oh, mind

22:13

dynamics was an encounter group

22:15

that was a part of the so called consciousness

22:17

transformation movement. And their

22:19

techniques of visualization and

22:22

meditation have been closely compared

22:24

to

22:24

Amway, est. And

22:26

of Scientology. Oh,

22:29

yeah. Sweet. My parents did a thing called

22:31

K m, which was a very

22:33

bad pyramid scheme that they were selling

22:36

nutritious liquid, and it tasted

22:38

very, very bad. And we just had boxes

22:40

and boxes and boxes of that of our house. My parents

22:42

even got a license plate that

22:43

said, AM's great.

22:44

Oh, God. Nutritious liquid.

22:47

It was really bad. It was so if

22:49

anyone knows about K. M. Reach out because

22:51

it was a isolated.

22:53

Yeah. Right in the Midwest. I don't know what the hell

22:55

it was. Now Iran, Miscavige, got

22:57

immediately taken in by holiday

23:00

magic's promise of an annual one

23:02

hundred thousand dollar return on

23:04

fruits and in

23:04

cosmetics.

23:05

Oh, yeah. You get a

23:06

hundred thousand dollars annually. He got a straight

23:08

he got that straight pitch, and he's just like,

23:10

they were like, a woman he met at a gas station.

23:13

He said, straight up, how would you like to make another

23:15

hundred thousand dollars a year? And he's like, oh,

23:17

I'm so rudely at

23:18

this. Sign me a a

23:21

medium. Oh my god. What a Uber?

23:23

Yeah. Well, him and three other, quote, distributors

23:26

formed a, quote, corporate team that

23:28

regularly

23:29

hosted, quote, opportunity meeting.

23:31

It's never a triangle shade

23:34

circumstance. See, this is like we

23:36

live in the era of influencers. And, yeah,

23:38

that can be annoying, but this is the OG

23:41

influencer.

23:41

Yeah. This is worse. You actually had to go to

23:43

their house eat out of their shitty

23:45

taco ware. My mom before you realized

23:47

that you were just in way over your head and about

23:49

to get scammed. And the only way to get out is to

23:51

mark a little box on magazine that'll

23:53

say, okay. I'll buy it. My mom

23:55

was an Avon goons squad member.

23:58

And I remember the piles of Avon sitting

24:00

at the house, and remember my mom being like, these

24:02

pitches don't know what look good. Like the pitches

24:04

immediately. I

24:05

guess, he's got all these shit. He's gotta move.

24:07

It's so much

24:08

stress they put on their on their

24:10

personnel. Yeah. I mean holiday magic

24:12

was one of those pyramid schemes that truly

24:15

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24:17

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24:20

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Well, at one of these Opportunity Meetings

26:30

in the year of nineteen sixty nine,

26:32

Ron overheard a conversation being had

26:34

by a fellow distributor named

26:36

Mike Hess. HES SAID THAT

26:38

HE GOT INVOLVED IN HOLIDAY MAGIC

26:41

BECAUSE AS A SCIENTOLOGIST

26:43

HE BELIEVED AND EXPERIENCING EVERYTHING

26:46

AS ALL scientologist believe. And by

26:48

everything

26:49

he means, every

26:50

Including getting scammed in a pyramid scheme?

26:53

Yes. Yes. Yes. You don't need to experience

26:55

that, but you need to. If you wanna be

26:57

a Scientology.

26:58

Okay. Well, after overhearing this

27:00

statement, Ron was in a word

27:03

Curious, curious. Using

27:07

classic vague cult speak, Mike

27:09

Hess told Ron that Scientology was

27:11

about helping people become more

27:14

able --

27:14

Uh-huh. -- in life. Don't you wanna be morrible?

27:17

Yeah.

27:18

Yes. I do wanna be morrible.

27:20

Taking it a step further, Mike

27:22

said that Scientology was more than just a

27:24

philosophy.

27:25

More than just a philosophy for it. What is

27:27

it?

27:27

It offers practical solutions to

27:29

real world problem. It's that easy. All

27:31

you have to do is spend a hundred and seventy

27:34

five dollars on this one thousand

27:36

page

27:36

handbook. This is a

27:38

no brain Yeah.

27:39

Hess claimed that if Ron became a scientist,

27:42

I'm never gonna have to take another aspirin

27:44

again. never gonna have to

27:45

take an Aspen. Never taken Aspen

27:48

again. Never really. Real world

27:50

problem. That is a no brainer.

27:52

And when Ron said, tell me more.

27:55

Mike said that the next time you get

27:57

a headache, Ron, here's what you're gonna do. Okay. You're gonna

27:59

look in the mirror? Yes. And you're gonna give

28:01

the guy in the mirror, your headache. Give

28:03

that guy your

28:03

headache. That's me. No. That's

28:06

a guy in the mirror because it's really about the fact that

28:08

your thoughts are, oh, let's this is the

28:10

prettiest way. But let's say, give me your

28:12

your cups. Let me give you your many letters. You got your

28:14

Wattenberg Wattenberg. Rockstar. Give me your

28:16

Rockstar and give you a liquid death in your

28:17

Wattenberg. Your cup here.

28:18

Right. So this is That's all your life. Am I am I looking

28:21

let's try he just tricked you into giving him all

28:23

They're minor. Like so what can I tell you? You always

28:25

love to tell me. No. Here we go. So your

28:27

liquid death has all my little my little trick my

28:29

little water change. So rock star go down. Your feelings

28:32

about what are your feelings about

28:34

the winners of the Super Bowl? Like, what are your feelings

28:36

about? I'm fine with doesn't matter what the content

28:38

are. And so, yeah, I asked you and I I fuck

28:40

with

28:40

you. Right? But, again, I hear good. Good to

28:42

hear. Your thoughts or your rockstar drink?

28:45

Okay? But guess what the real world is diaper? Guess

28:47

what? This is your thoughts here. There's separate locksmith. You.

28:49

And that's you. Right? That's you. But your thoughts

28:51

are over here. That's over here. That's rocks are different liquid.

28:53

With this separate concoction liquid. Well, there's all

28:55

of them. Which is disgusting. Mom is gonna make things

28:57

water via

28:58

this. That's reality. That's

29:01

messed. Right there.

29:02

We'll get in mess later.

29:03

Okay. Well, fantastic. So he went

29:05

to -- Separating -- Separating -- Separating --

29:07

Separating. -- decompargmentalization

29:09

-- We're logic from

29:11

your brain.

29:12

Mhmm. So you're looking in the mirror, you give the

29:14

headache to another person. Mhmm. Okay.

29:16

If you get one of those great Jordan peel mirrors,

29:19

perhaps that'll work. Perhaps. Mhmm. Buran

29:21

said treaded a few days later, and

29:23

it

29:24

worked. It

29:24

did not work. It did not work. It's placebo.

29:26

Not it worked. He gave his headache to the

29:29

man in the mirror. And then when he left the mirror,

29:31

the man in the mirror disappeared and the headache disappeared

29:33

with I mean,

29:33

well, hands. She's like, what am I

29:35

in here with Michael Jackson? And

29:39

that's all it took to sell Ron on Scientology.

29:42

That's it. Content. Well, because up to this

29:44

point, he was struggling with David because the one

29:46

thing he said is that when David was born,

29:48

he said that the toddler was extremely

29:51

aberrantly wrong as

29:53

a child. He said

29:54

that David as a toddler was so physically

29:57

strong, he could lift him up to the top

29:59

of a door frame. And that he'd let the

30:01

toddler grab onto the door frame and

30:03

he'd let him go and that the toddler

30:05

could pull himself up doing

30:08

pull ups --

30:08

Okay. -- and they door frame with his own hands. Like, he's

30:10

bulla.

30:10

That's terrifying.

30:11

He's bulla's an adult. Yeah. Same

30:14

sites. Right? They do this. And so

30:16

but then he'd get these asthma attacks. And Braun didn't

30:18

know what to do with these asthma attacks. Besides, like, take

30:20

him to a doctor and get him in a hail. Right? He said,

30:22

you didn't have these? This is true. This

30:25

is true. Didn't know how to deal with it. He knew it. So

30:27

he would do stuff like he would spank

30:29

him. He would spank David to try to get him to

30:31

stop doing the asthma attacks, and that didn't work. And

30:33

then he started doing this thing where he'd he'd

30:35

bundle raw he'd bundle David up with his

30:38

arms and take him into a cold shower

30:40

and do that to get rid of his asthma attacks,

30:42

because he said he was in his mind. Ron

30:44

thought that the asthma attacks, he thought that

30:46

were in you were in David's head. Really?

30:48

Danny started thing where he said, well, maybe

30:50

in order to cure him of his asthma attacks, what

30:52

I've discovered is that every single time he's having

30:55

one, I tell him to go into the garage and

30:57

lift weights. And this is completely real.

30:59

Yeah. So that David Miscavige would go out

31:01

as a little boy, like, between five

31:03

and nine and just lift pulp

31:05

iron. Every single time he felt like he was

31:07

having an asthma attack the blood flowing little

31:09

bit. It's also probably

31:11

why. He's only five foot three. He's

31:13

because he's been jacked since

31:15

he's five.

31:16

Yeah. And, again,

31:17

I don't think that normally beats asthma attacks.

31:19

No. don't think so. I'm not real sure. I don't

31:21

know. I'm not a pulmonologist. Might help the

31:23

heart beat a little

31:24

bit, but it might offset some I feel like I don't

31:26

know. If I heard someone else do that technically,

31:28

you have to call, like, the government.

31:31

Right? Like, if you heard someone doing that to their child,

31:33

you have to call CPS.

31:34

We're not supposed to have lift heavy weights

31:36

at that age.

31:37

You can watch little weights a little bit.

31:40

Little

31:40

Play School Way. You can look a little way

31:43

to

31:43

look little

31:44

way to that age. Now, as I said, Miscavige

31:46

was a fucking rub. But most

31:48

people, especially when Scientology was

31:50

new, they needed a little more convincing to

31:53

completely give themselves and their entire

31:55

families over to the philosophy of a

31:57

ruddy science fiction author of middling

31:59

success. Just the smallest amount of more

32:01

information.

32:02

My word count, though, He was the most

32:04

successful writer of all time. But my

32:07

amount of words written. Yeah.

32:09

Well, to get this done, Scientology

32:11

followed what they called the four step

32:13

dissemination drill. First,

32:16

you gotta make contact. Okay.

32:18

Then after you make contact --

32:20

Yes. -- in a very telling directive, the

32:23

Scientology then had to immediately arm,

32:26

any antagonism the individual might display

32:28

towards

32:28

scientifically.

32:29

Taking apart. Okay.

32:30

You don't know anything. I didn't

32:32

what am I okay? Well, this concept is

32:34

still in full usage today. In

32:36

a Scientology ad released on November

32:39

twenty fifth just a couple of months

32:40

ago, David, Miscavige himself,

32:43

appears and says this. Whatever

32:46

you've heard, if you haven't heard

32:48

it for a month, we're not

32:50

what you expect.

32:51

Whoa. They're different than what I expected.

32:53

Yep. That's their entire thing because they know that

32:55

everybody knows the Scientology Everyone

32:58

knows that, but that's they that now what

33:00

they're doing is they're trying to play these games,

33:02

these mind games on a massive scale with

33:04

we're not what you expect and curious both

33:07

playing at the same

33:07

time. And all religions need to be Percy

33:10

cute it. Mhmm. So

33:11

they're in the phase, whatever of

33:13

that

33:13

as well. And now you show up and

33:16

you are if you're already speaking to a

33:18

member of Scientology, you already

33:20

probably a seeker.

33:21

Yeah. Right? You already are looking for information.

33:24

So it's easy to do the next part.

33:26

Yeah. If you've stopped, in your

33:28

tracks and talk to them, you're halfway there.

33:31

Everyone has gone through a moment of low

33:33

--

33:33

Sure. -- and it can last a long time too. Oh, yeah,

33:35

man. I mean, I'll go into Scientology later

33:37

on, but I'm second for management. I have to go

33:39

straight to

33:40

school. I wanna jump in like they do with, like, military

33:42

school. Yeah. And then you jump into the You know, the officer

33:44

role.

33:45

He's gonna immediately make you the full

33:47

guy. Yeah. This is a problem. At least I don't

33:49

I'm not good enough with, like, Quicken or, like,

33:51

kind of, like, financial records. Like, I think would even

33:53

let me near

33:54

that. So hopefully because that's where they really get

33:56

I mean, I gotta admit, man, like, when doing research

33:58

this, I was checking up a Scientology website

34:00

and they make it look really

34:01

nice. Sure. Like, it's nice. I mean, that's the thing

34:04

is it. That's the word I would choose. It's just nice. It

34:06

could look nice.

34:06

I mean, they really understood. Jesus has Chris

34:08

Pratt and Scientology has Tom

34:10

Cruise. Who do you wanna make? I

34:12

I could go I

34:13

mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know,

34:15

either of those people appeal to different types.

34:17

Mhmm. Well, the third step in the dissemination

34:20

drill is to, quote, find

34:22

the ruin, which is identifying the

34:25

problem that's most on the mind of the

34:27

potential recruit. In Ron, miss Cabbages

34:29

case, it was his son's asthma

34:31

problem. To that point, the

34:33

recruiter then hooks the mark

34:36

by promising that Scientology is

34:38

the ants sir. Now that answer

34:40

is provided or at the very least dangled

34:43

by immersing the recruit in the writings

34:45

of Elrond Hubbard. Whose life is

34:47

presented as a grand adventure featuring

34:50

tales of how he healed himself using

34:52

the techniques that became Scientology foundational

34:55

document. Diana,

34:56

bathed yourself in the words of

34:58

Elron Hubbard. First, to wet

35:01

yourself on the tongue with Elron Hubbard.

35:03

But, no, if you read it, I guess that's what it is

35:06

I have Shane Morton, my mentor,

35:08

and the the guy was a creative director for

35:10

your pretty face to go now. He always talks about, you

35:12

never wanna get yourself into the rhythm of a cold

35:14

leader. Yeah. And that's what it is. The more

35:17

you read, the first fifties pages

35:19

of the opening spiel of the

35:21

romance. Right. But everyone's favorite

35:24

turtle lord, you do start to

35:26

get into the cadence, you get into a

35:28

rhythm, and then once, you know, then

35:30

you you get glorious stuff on. All

35:32

the way to the whole. That is a fantastic point,

35:34

though, when you get in that rhythm and then becomes it

35:36

was

35:36

interesting. I was listening to some of these I

35:39

don't wanna mention it. That Andrew Tait influencer.

35:41

Right?

35:41

Yeah. And a lot of

35:42

his defenders sound just like

35:44

him. Oh, so they have this They're little robots. Yeah.

35:46

It was just very interesting to hear that kind

35:48

of yeah, that kind of mimicking --

35:51

What? -- of their super god

35:53

or

35:53

whatever. It sounds like they say that you're fluent

35:55

in a language the first time that you dream

35:57

in that language and it's the same way with the

35:59

cult

35:59

leader. Once your thoughts start to mimic

36:02

the way they speak, then you're fucking

36:03

you're done. Yeah. Well, recruits are

36:05

told Scientology will produce a

36:07

civilization without insanity,

36:10

without criminals, and without war,

36:12

where man can rise to greater heights

36:14

attain spiritual freedom and discover

36:17

one's own immortality. Don't

36:19

you want to live forever? Well,

36:22

I'm being kind of. Additionally, recruits

36:25

are told that Scientology works one

36:27

hundred percent of the time. Well, that's great.

36:29

But only when it is properly

36:31

applied by a person who since sears desires

36:33

to improve their

36:34

life. KSW, keep Scientology work.

36:36

Think about it. So if it fails, guess what?

36:38

You failed.

36:39

It's also a lot doesn't fail, the text's

36:41

written down. You see this failure?

36:44

No. This deck is right here. It is

36:46

right

36:46

here. My god, dad. It can't fail.

36:49

It is written right here.

36:50

I agree. It's also the same base

36:52

of of thought

36:54

with Nutrisystem.

36:57

You're the failure. You're the failure. You're failing

36:59

Jenny Craig right now. Oh. We'll put

37:01

another way, recruits are told that Scientology

37:04

only works if you give yourself over completely

37:06

and question

37:07

nothing. I mean,

37:07

that's how we got half the employees here. Yeah. That's

37:09

kinda funny. Only way that's true. What I think.

37:12

And so, Ron, Miscavige, figured

37:14

that if Scientology could cure his peddling

37:17

headache that one time, then

37:19

maybe it could cure his son's extremely

37:21

serious asthma. Supposedly,

37:23

a scientist named Frank did

37:26

cure. A nine year old David Miscavige

37:28

asthma after a single forty five minute

37:30

long session in Frank's back

37:32

office. They just met Frank. Right?

37:34

They just met Frank. Frank was the local

37:37

his other buddy, I guess, at Makuchis, whatever

37:40

the place was called makuchy. Makuchy.

37:43

I'm going down makuchy. Yeah.

37:45

When, like, when he when he found met

37:47

him at makuchy's -- Yeah. -- he was just, like,

37:50

All I do is fix kids. Yeah. He's

37:53

like, boom. He's like, bib zips zips up.

37:55

We're gonna do this. We're gonna get it done. And then he

37:57

did probably what a touch assist, which is

37:59

legitimately a whole there's a whole

38:01

diagram in here how to properly massage

38:04

illness out of people. And guess what? You do

38:06

start. And of course, you always lay a strange

38:08

nine year old boy down on a

38:10

on a cot in the backroom of your

38:12

office. Mhmm.

38:13

Always wanna needle him from the top

38:15

of his butt to the top of his head

38:17

and back and forth and back and forth and back and

38:19

forth until he doesn't have asthma

38:21

anymore or at least until he says Please

38:24

for love of

38:24

God. You old man. Please

38:27

stop touching me. Yeah. I don't have asthma

38:29

anymore.

38:30

I'll say whatever it takes. Mhmm.

38:32

Yes.

38:32

This few and not touching me. I

38:34

think I may have met a flanker too in

38:36

my life. Well, from what Ron, Miscavige,

38:39

his son never had a serious asthma attack

38:41

ever again. This is of course a lot,

38:43

or it's at the very least a massaging of

38:45

the truth. Excellent. Because it's important to note

38:47

that Ron Miscavige remains an

38:50

ardent believer in Hubbard's vision of Scientology.

38:52

He's loved Scientology, but he still

38:55

believes in Scientology. He believes

38:57

that his son ruined

38:58

everything, but he's still thinks that the tech is a

39:00

hundred percent real. Yeah. To be

39:01

fair, it's like when your kid takes over,

39:03

you're like, I know you. Yeah. You know?

39:06

So it would be very difficult to just follow

39:08

your child as he's

39:10

got?

39:10

Well, he just let it all go. And but,

39:12

yes, the book has a deeply hard

39:14

time letting go of our LRH battle.

39:17

But nevertheless, this supposed curing

39:19

of his son's asthma was enough to convince

39:21

Ron and his wife to give their lives over

39:23

completely to the church. Now

39:25

at this point in existence, nineteen

39:28

seventy two, one of the church's main

39:30

strongholds was Saint Hill in

39:32

England, which is still owned by

39:34

Scientology Scientology does still

39:36

consider a a holy

39:37

site. I'm actually one of the holiest sites in Scientology.

39:39

There's probably only two people working there. Like,

39:41

you have the guy, but that's it. Like, the guy outside keeping

39:44

people out and then the fucking

39:46

guy on the inside, I

39:47

guess, sweeping for run. Yeah.

39:49

Well, supposedly, a chosen wing of

39:51

Saint Hil was Tom Cruise's

39:53

lockdown sanctuary during the height of

39:55

coronavirus. Yeah. David and David and Miscavige

39:57

used to hang out there. Measured to

40:00

see whose belt buckle was higher than the

40:01

Oh, isn't that nice.

40:03

Tom Cruise, taller than David Muscat.

40:05

As we're saying, that's over a mattress. Not

40:07

towers. No. No.

40:09

No. Not towers. He's three inches.

40:10

We Three inches is

40:12

five foot six. Right?

40:14

I would say 5555. Okay.

40:16

Where David Yiles?

40:17

David, Cabbages, five three. Between

40:19

the heights of four foot five and five

40:21

foot five, one inch, is towering.

40:23

It is

40:24

cute. That's how it is. It just gets small people

40:26

mad. Okay.

40:28

This is also Saint Hill. This is also

40:30

where Hubbard did his infamous tomato

40:32

experiment.

40:33

Oh, I remember those. In which he

40:35

audited tomatoes and took readings

40:37

of their well-being using an emeter.

40:39

And I want you to keep that in mind here in a bit

40:41

when we go through audited.

40:43

But by nineteen seventy two, Scientology

40:45

andscientologists were banned

40:48

in England. So anyone traveling to

40:50

St. Hill had to smuggle their e

40:52

meters and their Elrond Hubbard novels

40:54

like they were trying to sneak drugs over the

40:56

border.

40:57

This is why you really can't ban things because

40:59

it makes it too cool. Yeah.

41:00

That's the idea. I

41:01

know how to go covert with it. It's it makes the

41:03

religion stronger.

41:04

It's contraband. It is.

41:06

But despite England's hostility towards

41:08

their beliefs, Ron, Miscavige, looking

41:10

to rapidly progress his family through the church,

41:12

he pulled his kids out of school

41:15

and moved the entire family across

41:17

Ocean to Saint Hil for fifteen

41:19

months. Just think about that. Think about the fact

41:21

that he just met a man named

41:23

Frank. Who gave his headache

41:26

to a man in the mirror and then

41:28

massage the butt of his son until he stopped

41:30

fake sneezing anymore. And now you're

41:32

gonna move the entire family

41:35

to England -- Yeah. -- from Mount Comma

41:38

to that you can have them all directly

41:40

in the bosom of a brand new religion.

41:43

Too England

41:43

where your religion is illegal. Isn't

41:45

it possible that Mount Carmel? Was

41:48

it How dare you? Oh, how dare

41:50

you dip? Ron,

41:54

hear me out. Maybe you maybe your town sucks.

41:56

When

41:56

you want any reason to get out of it? No.

41:58

And you found it with Scientology.

42:02

No. Would you like to watch the Friday

42:04

night?

42:04

No. Because he wanted to please trumpet.

42:06

Yeah. He did that anywhere. But Scientology,

42:09

remember, I Scientology is actually above

42:11

synonym when it comes to jazz Scientology

42:13

is full of jazz musicians. Check Korea,

42:16

Chikuria was number one. Chikuria. Yeah. And

42:18

remember the Scientology jazz record that we

42:20

played during the

42:21

hour. It's surprisingly good. But,

42:23

like, The interesting thing

42:25

with jazz is it's all about editing. But

42:28

Scientology, it's written. It's not at

42:30

all

42:30

edited. It's about the notes you don't play.

42:32

You're

42:32

talking about editing in their mind. Editing in their

42:34

mind. Yes. Yeah.

42:35

But sometimes it's all about letting go. No

42:37

edits. Actually, most of the time jazz is

42:39

about letting go. No edits. I know this.

42:41

I watch the Ken Burns documentary on jazz.

42:44

And it's about the notes you

42:46

don't play. Yeah.

42:47

III like it when it's backwards, Sedge.

42:50

Yeah. And it doesn't Weird. It's just

42:56

It's the notes you shouldn't play. Now

42:58

at this point, David, Miscavige and his

43:00

twin sister Denise were twelve years

43:02

old. And within a year of arriving

43:04

at Saint Hill, Both of them were

43:06

auditors. The youngest auditors in

43:08

Scientology History. Nope. Now for those

43:10

of you who don't know, let's briefly go through

43:12

what auditing entails, what it

43:14

is. Just so you can decide for yourself

43:16

whether or not a thirteen year old is up to this

43:18

task. I can't even imagine sitting down as

43:20

an adult male across

43:21

the thirteen year old, the

43:23

the cruel, incisive

43:26

nature of a job. It's

43:28

so brutal. Well, the theory of auditing is

43:30

that it locates and discharges mental

43:33

masses that are blocking the

43:35

free flow of good energy. Thank

43:37

you for finally putting in a way that makes sense.

43:41

But according to Hubbard, ideas and

43:43

fantasies have physical weight

43:45

and solidity. Okay. And they root

43:47

themselves in the mind as

43:50

phobias, and obsessions. On your

43:52

fears, your obsessions -- Yeah. -- those have wait.

43:54

Those are physical. Almost the scenario, bro. But you

43:56

remember they're separate. Right? Because you're your liquid

43:58

death. Right? You're using your impressions at

44:00

the rock star. Right? But we gotta get rid of rock

44:02

star because what's that

44:03

doing? It's poisoning your water burger war.

44:06

Okay. Got it. By talking through these fears

44:08

that don't know I'm drinking out of a waterburger mug.

44:10

But yeah. It's a it's a waterburger style

44:13

mug. We're not in Texas right now.

44:15

By talking by talking through

44:17

these fears and obsessions in an auditing

44:19

session with a trained, Scientology

44:22

auditor to guide you, these mental

44:24

masses are broken up and

44:26

purged. It's like clearing out of drain.

44:29

Got you. I mean, you know, you do feel wait

44:31

when you're depressed or you

44:33

know, anxious. It does

44:35

I mean, you'll No. Like a like a way to

44:37

it. That's a way to eat. He's lifted off my chest.

44:39

A way to lift off my shoulders. These are things

44:41

that we're we're used to hearing. You know, like, that's

44:43

a that is a thing about It takes that

44:46

little thing that you do have some relation

44:48

to, and it blows out some huge.

44:50

And then you also understood but there's there's certain

44:52

things. Right? Because most human beings

44:54

immediately feel better when you sit and talk about

44:56

yourself first. Sure. Mhmm. So that's one thing kinda

44:59

like how they say, you know what, actually, yes, you're addicted

45:01

to the nicotine with cigarettes. But the relaxation

45:04

part of it is the act of taking

45:06

a deep

45:06

breath, which is what we don't do as

45:08

often an American society.

45:10

And now Marcus can't breathe. And now we can't

45:12

breathe there's

45:13

a lot of reasons, but I can't breathe you out. What they

45:15

what they do is they put the cans in your hand of the

45:17

emeter and then it jumps back and forth.

45:19

And then what they do is in further

45:21

meanings to the jumps in the emeter

45:24

from the words that you

45:25

say. But even the emeter's technology

45:27

means nothing. Well, that's the thing.

45:29

Just go I'll just go with the TaroKarts.

45:31

Yeah. It is. I like the TaroKarts best

45:33

because it The Eimi meter stuff was invented

45:35

by a guy named Voalney Mathison that

45:37

did Elrond took it

45:39

from. Yes. And again, it's just it's

45:41

just charges. It just it just bounces.

45:44

Well, this is the emitter is how they sell

45:46

Scientology as science. Right. The

45:48

emeter, it's a little machine that measures

45:50

those negative mental masses that I was talking

45:53

about. I have one headed to my house. An

45:55

emeter, really. Oh, we're getting this whole fucking

45:57

ship in line with Fantastic. Well,

46:00

these masses are detected by little

46:02

sticks, held by the oddity. The

46:04

oddity, by the

46:04

way, is called a pre clear. Get that

46:06

trick. Yeah. I got it pre clear.

46:09

The pre cum of Scientology. Yes.

46:11

Correct? You can still get your

46:12

breakdown. Absolutely. But if the needle

46:14

moves to the right while the pre clear is

46:16

holding the sticks, the resistance is

46:18

rising, which is bad. Oh. But if it moves to

46:20

the left, The resistance is falling, which is

46:22

good. Good. Star Wars. This is what the

46:24

Scientology who haunted the train station at

46:27

forty second and eighth in Manhattan that's

46:29

what they were trying to get you to sit down and do.

46:31

That whole free personality testing. They

46:33

wanted you to sit down, hold the sticks, the

46:35

needle goes all over the place and they

46:37

say, whoa, buddy, you need to come in

46:39

for some more auditing. Yeah. I'm in a New York City

46:41

subway station. I'm a little fucking stressed.

46:44

Sorry. What did you do? They they have a personality test

46:46

where they say a bunch of things to you. And they watch the

46:48

emeter. And so, like, let's say, like, you're

46:50

talking about, like, whatever blah blah blah. And then,

46:53

like, on the word broom, the emeter

46:55

jumps. And they're, like, What's about what's with

46:57

brooms? What's with brooms? It's like

46:59

that is the thing. What is it about brooms

47:01

that you don't like? What is about brooms

47:03

that you are like being affected

47:06

by. I mean, honestly, that does make me think

47:08

of the old wives' tale that people

47:10

used to jump off the refrigerator with a broomstick

47:12

in their ass and then they would die. What

47:14

Do you remember

47:15

that? I have no. Fucker you to know.

47:17

I don't know. don't know. don't know. I don't know.

47:20

It is a story. It is story that did

47:22

happen this did happen to

47:23

somebody. We covered it when I was pregnant with the gentleman.

47:25

Yeah. But it's not an old wife.

47:26

I don't think it

47:27

ever actually happened. It always was it was

47:29

when I was a child. I think it

47:31

was homophobic. Oh, a fridge with

47:33

broom in butter ass. This is gonna

47:36

be great. Incoming. Broom death

47:38

This is from Snopes. Did a COVID

47:40

die? It says here it's a legend according to

47:42

Snopes. The COVID fatally skewers itself are masturbating

47:45

with a with a

47:45

woman.

47:46

It was all the way to stopes. It's a legend

47:48

to tell

47:48

you. Why? It is. Obviously, it is like

47:50

Paul Bunyan. It is. What's

47:53

the thing? If the pretty clear gives an answer during

47:55

auditing that makes the needle jump to the right. And then

47:57

the subject of that answer becomes an area

47:59

of concentration. Like Henry said, you say broom,

48:01

it jumps, oh, let's concentrate on broom. But the

48:04

thing is about that. Is the auditors just gonna

48:06

fucking hammer away at the subject until

48:08

they find something because you can keep playing

48:10

word association until you find a bad

48:12

feeling. But then the auditor keeps

48:15

hammering until they're satisfied that

48:17

they've drained the pre clear of the troubling

48:19

experience or

48:20

feeling. Basically, you talk about it until you feel

48:22

better again. Alright. I admit it. I indeed have

48:24

not seen a broomstick. I have not shoved up my ass.

48:27

Yes, indeed.

48:28

I enjoy it. Good. Oh, clear. This

48:31

is also where overt and

48:33

withholds come into play. We're gonna get in a

48:35

little bit more terminology

48:36

here. God, just keep your fucking hats on.

48:38

We have a most of these books come with a

48:40

glossary that we should put out. Yeah. We should put

48:42

out one of our glossaries that people can get more

48:44

Scientology terms in their

48:46

we've had our team build a pretty goddamn

48:48

good glossary force over the course of this series.

48:50

But isn't that also a component of the

48:52

search and the fun aspect of it? Churn.

48:54

Right? Because you're

48:55

goons. That word meaning It's the idea of goons.

48:58

You're talking about the ultimate torture of Scientology,

49:01

which is about the misuse of

49:02

words. Yeah. Like how that is a an

49:04

MU is one of the worst things that you can do

49:07

in Scientology, and you are you are supposed

49:09

to travel everywhere with a dictionary in your pocket.

49:11

Wow. A misuse That's

49:12

an well, it's miss it's miss doing

49:14

a word, it's missing a word, misunderstanding a

49:17

word. Mhmm. But something bad

49:19

is happening in a pretty clear's life. Than

49:21

it was because they'd done something bad

49:23

that does the least good for the least number

49:25

of people or the most harm to the greatest

49:27

number of

49:28

people. They has committed

49:30

an overt. Well, they actually

49:32

get a third heart like Dick Cheney, but that's

49:34

okay. But if they didn't admit to

49:36

the overt immediately, they

49:38

were then committing a withhold, which

49:40

is keeping a

49:41

secret. And that withhold, combined with the

49:43

overt, that's what's causing your unhappiness. Yep.

49:45

Not your body. Not the way that you

49:47

eat or with all the things that you've done.

49:49

Okay. It's your clam. No.

49:52

And you made clam problems back

49:54

when you were clam. And now you're suffering

49:56

from your clam problems. Alright. So

49:58

it's because they did something wrong. They're not acknowledging

50:00

it and they're not doing anything to fix it, so they're upset.

50:02

You see, again, this is base level before we understand.

50:05

It's not even you. It's your statins inside of you.

50:07

And eventually, you have to figure out how to talk to

50:09

your statins and release those over

50:11

some withholds from your faitons inside

50:13

of

50:13

you. Mhmm. Unless you're gonna go catch my train.

50:15

I've been great to be where I'm stopped. I'm happy

50:17

I stopped at free float. hits a

50:19

subboy. I am stressed. I am stressed.

50:21

I got to hit the fucking fifty fourth Street.

50:23

I'm gonna fight an entire mob

50:25

of Santa Claus's because it's Santa

50:29

On Hubbard's view, overts and withholds

50:31

were the sole reason for all bad conditions

50:34

and experiences. So constantly purging

50:36

oneself of all overts and withholds

50:39

was a necessary part of the auditing

50:40

process. This, of course, is how

50:42

Scientology collects blackmail.

50:45

Because you say all of this shit, you don't understand that

50:47

it's kept your KR until you start going

50:49

into the OT and then all of the shit shit

50:51

you said before comes up again and you gotta

50:53

re release it all

50:54

again. And can you explain what KR is? We'll

50:56

get into it. Yeah. Fantastic. Basically, it's just

50:58

every secret you tell them goes into a file

51:00

and they keep it. Your ethics

51:02

file, your case. Back from

51:04

Northwest. You ever wanna try

51:06

to sound professional. Right?

51:09

Just try to sound professional, and it's extremely

51:11

difficult. So what do you do? Right? Me,

51:14

Use periods. It's declarative sentences.

51:16

It seems professional. It's perfunctory. Right?

51:19

It just delivers a message and

51:21

information and then you walk away from it. What

51:23

I find is that when you leave a period with being like,

51:25

we'll talk about this in the meeting next week

51:28

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51:30

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GRAMMARLYT0T

52:28

com slash

52:29

T0NE. Now, the ultimate

52:31

goal of auditing is to emancipate the

52:34

Scientology from the laws of matter, energy,

52:36

space, and time. Nest, You know,

52:38

he said mess before. That's what mess is.

52:40

You know, that's a lot to emancipate a person

52:42

from

52:43

people. Yeah. And I think because they're pretty persistent.

52:45

Yeah. The whole biological thing. And if

52:47

you're still all fucked up with your mess,

52:49

then you're pretty clear. But if through

52:51

auditing, you cleanse yourself of

52:53

your mess. Your obsessions, your fears, your

52:55

irrational urges, you will then and only

52:57

then become clear. That's

52:59

what going clear means. I guess

53:02

if this is the It's just

53:04

If it ended there No.

53:06

That's what that that's what Dynamics was. When we

53:08

cover that in the NRA series, Dionetics was

53:10

getting you clear and then

53:11

released, but then LRH understood, I

53:14

need to bring them back.

53:15

Yeah. How do I keep them back in? And

53:17

then what you do is You turn it into a spirituality.

53:20

You create the idea of thousands. And then

53:22

OT, once you get past clear, the

53:24

OT levels are all about doing all of

53:26

these same

53:27

processes. But with the little ghosts that live

53:29

inside of you. Because really isn't this just

53:31

this is just a it's

53:34

just got a little prop but it's just the same

53:36

as Catholicism

53:37

or -- You know what mean? -- made up. Like, completely,

53:40

totally just fictional and that certain things

53:42

have a placebo like effect. Then

53:44

the rest of it is just absolute arcane job

53:47

garbage and then

53:47

fucking, like, full, like, punishment systems. Yes.

53:50

Well, it does help when you did something wrong and

53:52

you wanna, like, talk to somebody about it and all

53:54

those things, but then Catholicism is like, and now you gotta

53:56

go down this road, evangelicalism takes you down

53:58

the whatever power. And then here, they're just wanted

54:00

to sell you more

54:01

stuff. Yeah. They were excited. I mean, the difference is

54:03

that you could technically be a Catholic

54:05

and never pay a dime your entire

54:07

life. And you still get the Catholic experience. No.

54:10

You gotta pay. You

54:11

don't I mean,

54:11

that's real I got it. It's nice talking thousands

54:14

when they keep telling you. They're just like, oh,

54:15

you know. Yeah. It's like when you go into the one of those

54:17

restaurants where it's like, it's free donation only.

54:20

You don't tip and you get a

54:21

sandwich. My friend, people are gonna judge you.

54:23

half of the story. They're

54:24

gonna judge you. But you could still do

54:27

it for free because you could still do

54:29

it truthfully. Catholics don't want you. They don't really

54:31

want you. It's everybody, Catholics want

54:33

you. But Catholics think that none of

54:35

you are good

54:36

enough. Yeah. The only people who are good enough

54:38

are the pedophiles we put superhero uniforms.

54:40

There you go.

54:41

Really powerful. Really powerful. Evangelicals,

54:43

you bet. Or fucking tip. Yeah. You better.

54:46

But as far as David, Miscavige, Wonderkin's

54:49

status Scientology went,

54:51

he was made an auditor at thirteen.

54:53

All that that we just talked about he was thirteen

54:55

years old with all that power in his in his

54:58

hands. And he was clear by

55:00

the age of fifteen. And even though there was a lot

55:02

people trying to stop him from being clear. There

55:04

were several people saying, like, his reports

55:06

are actually coming

55:07

back, like, highly disturbed. And they're all,

55:09

like, one guy actually just wanted straight

55:11

up, like, blow it. They wanted to get rid

55:13

of it. They wanted to do

55:14

something. Yeah. We're gonna get to that here in a second.

55:16

We're gonna get that full story. But this

55:18

served to instill in David the idea that

55:20

he was an credibly special person

55:22

in an incredibly special group.

55:24

But David also had obvious emotional

55:27

problems. Yeah.

55:29

He seemed so calm put together. According

55:32

to one former scientist named Evard

55:34

Scott, who was tasked with watching over

55:36

David when David was a young teenager, David

55:39

apparently had episodes caused

55:41

by what they called asthmatic seizures,

55:43

which, if true, means that David, Miscavige

55:46

had both asthma and epilepsy.

55:48

Seems though this probably isn't true. No. From

55:50

what it sounds like, David, Miscavige, may

55:53

have simply been emotionally disturbed

55:55

and violent from a fairly young age.

55:57

Every time I saw the word asthmatic seizure,

55:59

I now understood they meant weird

56:02

temper tantrum. Yes. Everett

56:04

Scott was told that when David had an

56:06

episode, do not

56:09

touch him because David gets

56:11

very violent and beats the hell

56:13

out of you if you do touch him. He

56:16

was like this out the pussy. Wow.

56:18

He was slapping and hitting and was

56:21

little I don't

56:22

know. He uses a tiring. He's a fascinating devil.

56:24

He's a fucking goblin. Well, I feel bad for the little

56:26

twin in there who had to share the womb.

56:28

Mhmm.

56:29

He used to it though. Use to use to use to. Scott

56:31

also remembered that when he was watching over

56:33

David, he saw the kid take off his shirt

56:35

in preparation for a shower, said that

56:37

David was so bizarrely and

56:40

stirbingly buff that he looked like a

56:42

thirteen year old Arnold Sportsman. He

56:44

was he was like a cut child.

56:46

Yeah. And it's it's disturbing. It's clear.

56:49

A cut five foot two child. Yeah. Little

56:51

Hercules. Yeah. Remember that kid? Oh, he's still

56:53

in drugs. Yeah. remember him. He's very creepy.

56:55

He's devastated now.

56:57

Yep. Now, Everett Scott was one of the first

56:59

people to notice that there was something wrong

57:01

with young David, Miscavige. Despite

57:04

being held up as an expert auditor at

57:06

thirteen, David didn't seem to

57:08

know how to audit and even

57:10

said the auditing was for

57:11

weaklings. Oh, because he was already

57:13

clear from a past life. He understood

57:16

the game immediately. Yes.

57:18

For Jesus, like, you see, I have visions

57:20

of a past life. Just like LRH

57:23

did. LRH traversed the van. Remember when

57:25

he went through the was the radiation belt -- Mhmm.

57:27

-- around the moon? It's, like, the way we

57:30

send his mind there. He send his mind into the

57:32

past. He immediately was just

57:34

saying that stuff as a

57:35

fifteen. He was like, well, actually, I looked into my

57:37

past and I've I've been clear. Yeah. And they're

57:39

like, That's incredible. Yeah. He just keeps

57:41

amazing.

57:42

Yeah. He's brilliant little sociopath. Okay.

57:44

But ever had Scott, he wasn't buying

57:46

it. He filed what's known as

57:48

a knowledge report against David.

57:51

Uh-oh. But it seems like someone had

57:53

a vested interest in David's advancement.

57:55

Sounds like they needed of Underkind. Apparently,

57:58

the Scientology magazine was

58:00

writing an article about the youngest

58:02

auditor in

58:03

history,

58:04

a little

58:04

baby Miscavige. And Scott

58:07

was simply complicating Mattress. Oh, yeah.

58:08

He was getting in the way of history, my friend. Oh.

58:11

It's kinda like how LeBron James

58:13

was, like, How

58:14

did Berry Like, get, like, fifteen years old. Like,

58:16

he's gonna be the king of sports. They did it with David

58:18

Miscavige where they're, like, he is the

58:21

guy. And and it's weird because you had a bunch of

58:23

other guys that were very much sure

58:25

they were the guy. And then all of a sudden the

58:27

fifteen year old shows up and he's

58:30

terrifying everybody.

58:31

Well, they were believing it. Lebron made him pick

58:33

him because he was the best. He was the best basketball

58:35

player of all the eras he played him, but

58:38

I wonder if miss Cabbage truly was the

58:40

best. Well, was he the best to play in the game

58:42

in Scientology? I think so. What I see

58:44

it as is that instead of some like, I don't think

58:46

he was kind of anointed. I think he was

58:48

picked as a guy. Yeah. But I

58:50

think that was like, okay. We need, like, a a Vundercam.

58:53

We need, like, some sort of prodigy here.

58:55

That kid seems like he knows what's going on. He knows

58:57

the lingo. He knows how to walk the walk.

58:59

So let's bring him up and see what he

59:01

does, and they just and they didn't realize that they

59:03

had picked a monster. Well,

59:04

because also all of the

59:05

arrests of his brothers and sisters got

59:07

moved to go to full on,

59:10

full time, Scientology, instruct

59:12

Right? To go through into a full Scientology school,

59:14

the rest of them are like, I wish I

59:16

was in school.

59:17

Like, this is real. I don't wanna be here.

59:20

Right. David just jumped

59:22

in. Yeah. Just got it from the second

59:24

that he arrived at Saint hell. Nevertheless,

59:26

Eiffard continued filing

59:29

knowledge reports on David, Miscavige, to

59:31

the ethics office because he was also

59:33

a strangely misogynistic little

59:35

boy, where he'd say, like, goddamn these

59:37

goddamn broads. They don't belong and

59:39

see or They

59:40

don't know how don't audit. These slits

59:42

don't know how to break me down. And

59:45

he he was

59:45

intense there. remember that he said that one of the shocking

59:47

things he thought. One of things they do in Scientology,

59:50

and then they teach you a lesson, and then they do

59:52

it super abstract, where they're like, now build

59:54

the lesson that we just taught you, but represent

59:56

it in play. You go when you take all things

59:58

you're just learning, you're supposed to make at least and then

1:00:01

they watch David as a fifteen year old

1:00:03

walk down and just go, fuck. Flunk.

1:00:05

Flunk. Like, just flunk in a whole

1:00:07

table of a dog that are sitting here

1:00:09

making clay figurines, trying to make

1:00:12

trying to represent the fake shit that they all

1:00:14

just got taught. And then he understood, I

1:00:16

just fucking put all of these people in their

1:00:18

place, and everybody loves me for it. Absolutely.

1:00:21

Well, maybe they weren't making the best Clay products

1:00:23

were They obviously suck. They really lay

1:00:25

hands. They're being suppressive. Yes. That's

1:00:27

a thing when Evertz Scott was called into

1:00:29

the ethic office to discuss all of these knowledge

1:00:32

reports, he thought finally. Finally, I've

1:00:34

got through to somebody. They brought him in

1:00:36

and said, you, sir, You're

1:00:38

interpolating, David, miss Capaption.

1:00:40

You're interpolating. I'm interpolating.

1:00:43

You're interpolating. I don't even know what that means,

1:00:45

but I don't even understand

1:00:46

know, I could be turbulent. Oh, you better pull out

1:00:48

your dictionary and find out. No. But guess

1:00:50

what if you

1:00:51

went

1:00:51

in there? Guess what you wouldn't find? Intervalent.

1:00:53

It's a new word. Yep. You just made it

1:00:55

up.

1:00:56

Yeah. Ron Elan Hubbard created

1:00:58

the word interpolating. It means to upset someone,

1:01:00

to impede someone. I mean, I love the word, to be

1:01:03

honest. We talk about We love turbulating. It's

1:01:05

a great word. You're interpolating me,

1:01:06

and I'm not gonna sit here and stay I'm not

1:01:08

gonna sit here and take that interpolation from you.

1:01:10

Yeah. That's incredible.

1:01:11

We can add we're so yeah. I mean, they're all made

1:01:13

up. Of course.

1:01:14

Cervulation will take it.

1:01:15

Yeah. But instead of backing down, Scott, he

1:01:17

stood by his guns. He said this kid

1:01:19

is an SP. A suppressive

1:01:22

person. It's

1:01:24

the worst thing that a Scientology can call another

1:01:26

scientist. They don't use that word lightly,

1:01:28

especially not in nineteen seventy six. Wow.

1:01:31

It sounds like he's really interpolated. Well,

1:01:34

they said that David

1:01:36

Miscavige was actually out

1:01:37

side. Listening to Everest

1:01:39

-- Oh, I'm sure

1:01:39

he's lying to you. -- lying to you. Yeah. Curious.

1:01:42

Yeah. But when he used the word

1:01:44

SP, like David Miscavige

1:01:46

was smart enough to know, like, I gotta

1:01:49

back off from this guy. I have got to

1:01:51

let this guy. I've gotta put as much distance

1:01:53

between me and this guy as I possibly

1:01:55

can.

1:01:55

At fifteen. At fifteen. Oh.

1:01:58

And so David Miscavige just

1:02:00

disengaged and kept climbing

1:02:02

up Scientology ladder unintermediated.

1:02:05

It's this smart decision.

1:02:07

Mhmm. By sixteen, David was

1:02:09

done with secular life. He announced

1:02:12

that he wanted to devote his life

1:02:14

to Elrond

1:02:14

Hubbard, technically makes David Miscavige

1:02:17

a high school dropout. Most of

1:02:19

the heads of signs of Scientology were high school dropouts because

1:02:21

they didn't believe in high Well, I mean, so was Kanye

1:02:23

and he's fun. Yay.

1:02:27

Self educated. But as far as

1:02:29

David was concerned, he was on to

1:02:31

grow greater things. Because in nineteen seventy

1:02:33

six, he joined Seyorg.

1:02:38

Come on, boys. There

1:02:40

it is also, I believe, college dropout

1:02:42

was the reference of -- Thank you. -- trying to make. Thank

1:02:44

you. But now he's in New

1:02:46

York. Yeah. Basically, New York is

1:02:48

like the Vatican of Scientology. Where

1:02:50

they yeah. It's where the highest ranking members

1:02:52

serve, and that's where they make the decisions

1:02:54

that affect every scientist. It's also

1:02:56

where they make the decisions that affect

1:02:58

Scientology. also, you know, it's changed

1:03:00

her with years because some people, like,

1:03:03

it used to be the elite, and then it turned into

1:03:05

those that work the hardest to turn into

1:03:07

our free labor, like, world, and

1:03:09

then that got bumped down to the RPF.

1:03:12

So then Seworg became like, it's

1:03:14

strange because they both are, like, the

1:03:16

most slave like members of

1:03:18

Scientology, but they also the

1:03:20

high rankings of the they're both like the lowest

1:03:22

class and the highest class all in

1:03:24

one. Well, it's basically that is where

1:03:26

sea org is where Scientology becomes

1:03:29

a cult. Oh,

1:03:30

okay. You know, like, even outside of, like,

1:03:31

all the it's with a

1:03:32

billionaire contractors. Yeah. All the

1:03:34

fucking Scientology that are coming in and

1:03:36

out of celebrity centers here in LA that are

1:03:39

paying their money to get pretty clear into it. They're

1:03:41

not even they don't even know they're not even a part

1:03:43

of Scientology, not really. Mhmm. They're just

1:03:45

fucking they have subscriptions. Yeah. You're

1:03:47

butts and seats. Yeah. But the people

1:03:49

in sea org there in a

1:03:51

cult.

1:03:52

Oh. Mhmm. What's an RPF?

1:03:56

Don't even Don't even It's

1:03:57

so even me, sir. Let me even bother

1:03:59

with this really over here. Oh my

1:04:01

god.

1:04:01

You're you're being impustuous, musicals.

1:04:04

Embustuous, you could

1:04:05

say that anyway.

1:04:06

You got damn mushrooms. Yeah.

1:04:08

Now, CRG, it's a name. No answer. No

1:04:11

answer. No answer. Let's

1:04:13

see. We'll find out if he finds

1:04:15

out. Okay. Now, Seaorg,

1:04:17

they are a naval organization. But

1:04:19

not everything in Seaorg necessarily has

1:04:21

to take place on a

1:04:22

boat, although boating is certainly a part

1:04:24

of see or -- Well, okay. -- boating

1:04:27

lifestyle. Because once the

1:04:29

boat became permanently I'm

1:04:31

not gonna say sound, babe. Mhmm. I'm

1:04:34

gonna say ducks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:04:36

Yeah. Because the boat used to be called flag.

1:04:38

Right? Then it's got parked in front of the

1:04:40

Clearwater organization building

1:04:42

where it's now flat. They put they flat parked

1:04:44

there. So that's there. And then, like, they can't

1:04:46

move it anymore. Yeah. Because they don't have enough

1:04:48

people

1:04:49

to, like, man at any more because it's a giant massive

1:04:51

sea org. Right? Yeah.

1:04:53

Yeah. So sea org is a frame of mind

1:04:55

much like about cats. Margaritaville

1:04:58

isn't a place. It's an idea.

1:05:00

Yes. It's a thought virus. Okay.

1:05:03

Now once David Miscavige dropped out of

1:05:05

high school, he was sent to Clearwater Florida

1:05:08

the global headquarters of Scientology.

1:05:10

One of the most bizarre places I've ever

1:05:12

been in my life. You're welcome.

1:05:15

You know, when you go to the the Scientology

1:05:17

headquarters, like, you know, when you feel

1:05:19

a building is empty --

1:05:21

Yeah. -- you

1:05:21

feel like the headquarters are completely empty.

1:05:23

You feel like everyone that's on the property

1:05:25

is outside watching everybody that's

1:05:28

that's looking at the headquarters from across

1:05:31

the

1:05:31

street. Weird. And

1:05:32

they follow you to your car. Was nice. Well,

1:05:34

it's nice to get that kind courtesy walk.

1:05:36

On the channel growing up in learned

1:05:38

a lot about how a lot of these centers

1:05:40

now. Truly probably

1:05:42

have like two or three people working in them. Yeah.

1:05:44

Wow. There in Clearwater,

1:05:47

David was named a member of the Commodore

1:05:49

Messenger organization. The

1:05:51

CMO, which is a bizarre paramilitary

1:05:54

wing of sea org that was at this point

1:05:56

made up of terrifying

1:05:57

children. Yo. Yeah. Because your L0H

1:06:00

understood that the kids are the future.

1:06:02

Yeah. And you got to indoctrinate them while

1:06:04

their children get them in it. Yes. And,

1:06:06

yes, was a lot of the commonwealthengers. Little

1:06:09

girls put in clothes under LRH because

1:06:11

he didn't have the proper dexterity of his

1:06:13

fingers anymore because he was dying of

1:06:15

various you know, like, I think he had the

1:06:17

most advanced case of gout

1:06:20

that anyone's ever had. He had phantom he

1:06:22

had phantom toes. He was like, he did not

1:06:24

know where his his fingers did work So

1:06:26

he'd have them dress him and stuff like

1:06:28

that. No. But he wasn't a

1:06:29

squeezer.

1:06:29

I don't think he didn't any liquid toucher at all.

1:06:31

No. I don't think so. Not from our episodes.

1:06:34

Not that

1:06:34

anyone can tell.

1:06:35

Okay. Well, that's a that's a benefit. That

1:06:38

is good. Yep. There you go.

1:06:40

Well, I mean, Elrond, he was he

1:06:42

said very explicitly with the commodore's

1:06:44

messenger

1:06:45

organization, he was

1:06:47

very inspired by Hitler. Which just

1:06:49

tried all I'm

1:06:51

saying is, why don't we separate the

1:06:53

art from the artists? Right? And,

1:06:55

yes, time has not

1:06:58

been positive

1:07:00

stuff to

1:07:01

Hitler. Yes. Well, does does

1:07:03

Hugo Boss? Does the clothes

1:07:06

have a political affiliation? Does

1:07:08

the Mercedes have a booted reconciliation.

1:07:11

Yeah. But take the style, not

1:07:13

the substance. That's right.

1:07:14

Yeah. Yeah. Elron Hubbard did say, like,

1:07:16

Hitler was from madman.

1:07:18

Use a madman. But every time

1:07:20

a madman has a dream, half

1:07:22

of it's great. Yeah. And he said the Hitler

1:07:25

youth was the best idea that Hitler ever

1:07:27

came up with because you have a blank slate on which

1:07:29

you can write anything. Well, truly, they were

1:07:31

all part of it too. You were just shoved right

1:07:33

in there. Mhmm. So after a year in Clearwater,

1:07:36

David Miscavige was transferred to a Scientology

1:07:38

base in La Quinta, California called

1:07:41

Syna org, which is where El

1:07:43

Ron Hubbard himself was hiding

1:07:46

in the last stages of his

1:07:47

life, trying to make movies.

1:07:49

Yeah. The golden era production studios

1:07:50

-- Mhmm. -- interesting. Now there were about

1:07:53

seventy people on the La Quinta base,

1:07:55

but everyone there was working towards making

1:07:57

movies under LRH's direction.

1:08:00

Quite quickly, David Miscavige rose

1:08:02

to the rank of chief cinematographer. Wow.

1:08:05

And by eighteen, Miscavige was sitting at

1:08:07

the right hand of his religion's founder.

1:08:09

And sometimes about physicalness

1:08:11

Mhmm. Because if you wanna get to play -- Absolutely. -- talk

1:08:13

about, like, you know, one thing people are missing,

1:08:15

like, it's you gotta jump

1:08:17

in when these decisions

1:08:19

are being made. If you're looking to take over whatever

1:08:22

crooked organization that you're in right now

1:08:24

and you wanna be number one and you're sick

1:08:26

of being number eight, you gotta do is find

1:08:28

out where number one eats lunch or what number

1:08:30

one likes to do as a hobby. And then you just

1:08:32

keep being there -- Yeah. -- with number one. Because

1:08:34

eventually what happens with the number one they

1:08:36

get dementia. The police are coming to

1:08:39

arrest up. Get all this stuff's happening. Get under

1:08:41

all this pressure. Eventually, they get arrested.

1:08:43

If you're just stand in the room. Yeah. Sometimes

1:08:46

you could become number two just because it's like, you're

1:08:48

in charge now. That's where you're at.

1:08:50

My

1:08:50

yeah. I Just pick up the phone when I call

1:08:52

from Chad. Yep. Don't expect many

1:08:55

things going in your favor if you're not in the room.

1:08:57

If you're not with the decision makers. I

1:08:59

mean, sometimes you don't care about it. Sometimes all it

1:09:01

really takes is just you saying, alright, you're

1:09:03

the first one to say that. After everything falls

1:09:05

apart, you're the first one to say like, alright, here's what we're

1:09:07

gonna do. And then all of a sudden, you're in charge of Scientology

1:09:10

for the next forty years. Yeah. Seriously.

1:09:12

But working right underneath David, Miscavige,

1:09:14

at Senate War was one of the men who would

1:09:16

eventually be in David's inner circle

1:09:19

and would also later become Scientology

1:09:21

most high profile defector. This

1:09:24

was where David Miscavige met

1:09:26

Mike Reinder. Boom. Oh,

1:09:29

you're gonna

1:09:29

And he's gonna go by by by by grind. By

1:09:31

grind. He's another one of those guys. He's trickied.

1:09:34

He's come out. He's done horrible things, but we

1:09:36

must forgive when someone is trying

1:09:38

to make him in. I agree. I

1:09:40

agree. Is he the guy from my Scientology

1:09:42

movie that's bold to No. Those are all the

1:09:44

reenactments. Is it that

1:09:45

guy? Yeah. You might be thinking of a

1:09:47

second that guy's looking Bonion.

1:09:50

All runyon.

1:09:52

It's I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I

1:09:53

know what I'm saying. Marty bunyon. Marty bunyon.

1:09:58

Marty wrap. But Yeah. That's

1:10:00

all it takes. A little bit of work. But Mike

1:10:02

renders this guy who's with Leah

1:10:04

Remini. Yeah. That's He

1:10:06

could dare replace Kevin

1:10:08

James. I don't think so,

1:10:10

sir. Not Mike King of Queen's.

1:10:12

Now Mike Reinder's parents were early

1:10:14

adopters of Scientology. They joined

1:10:17

in nineteen fifty nine in Australia

1:10:19

through a neighbor who regularly drove

1:10:22

the five hundred miles from Adelaide

1:10:24

to Melbourne to hear Dynetics lectures

1:10:26

from Hubbard himself. Mike was

1:10:28

just five years old when his parents joined,

1:10:30

but by the time he was six, he was already

1:10:33

being dropped off at the local Scientology

1:10:35

center for indoctrination seminars

1:10:38

called children's communication

1:10:40

courses. At least they got to go to school. The

1:10:42

other kids in the United States had to be put on the

1:10:44

ranch was the version of the troubled

1:10:46

teen industry where they just had to pull

1:10:48

weeds because outrage

1:10:49

said, it gets you closer to nest.

1:10:52

Yeah. It's okay. Well, here,

1:10:54

at these children's communications courses,

1:10:57

children were taught a drill called bull baiting.

1:10:59

Which is somewhat similar to the game that

1:11:01

we discussed in our synod episode. Bullbating

1:11:04

was meant to help auditors control their

1:11:06

reactions to anything that might be

1:11:08

said in counseling sessions if a

1:11:10

conflict were to break out. That conflict, by the way, that's

1:11:12

called a firefight in the scientifically to in

1:11:15

the Scientology terminology. It's got fun.

1:11:17

Yeah. Firefight. And additionally, bull baiting

1:11:19

also trained kids and adults to

1:11:21

rid themselves of any impulse to

1:11:23

flinch in the face of intimidation out

1:11:26

in the real world because the

1:11:27

Scientology, they were gonna be met

1:11:29

with resistance. Oh, yeah. And it's about being

1:11:31

it's about being emotionless. They want you to be

1:11:33

able to control your reactions. And

1:11:36

invariably

1:11:37

not question things that you were taught. Yeah.

1:11:40

Kids would be verbally and sometimes physically

1:11:42

assaulted until, quote, the button

1:11:44

was flat. That means that the

1:11:47

student no longer reacted in any way

1:11:49

to the coach's provocation. You gotta keep pressing

1:11:51

the

1:11:51

button, pressing the button, pressing the button until the button

1:11:53

disappears.

1:11:54

My god. They used to happen with the old Nintendo.

1:11:57

The old Nintendo button.

1:11:58

Press it too much.

1:11:59

That would get stuck there though. That got

1:12:01

button. Yep. But that's not what you were trying

1:12:03

for because that ended your afternoon. Uh-huh.

1:12:05

Yep. That wasn't good. So

1:12:06

you wanted the button to be up. You wanna

1:12:08

stick the button, though, and then it's all done.

1:12:11

On Rinder's reading, bull baiting mostly served

1:12:13

to habituate children to future verbal

1:12:15

and physical abuse. You can be screamed at and

1:12:17

screamed at and screamed at and you're not gonna react.

1:12:19

Okay. Now like England, Australia also

1:12:22

Scientology in the mid sixties.

1:12:25

Saying that it was a delusional belief

1:12:27

system based on fictions and fallacies

1:12:29

propagated by falsehood and

1:12:31

deception. Yeah. Nice. Even though they put

1:12:33

their whole sigh up about being watching out for

1:12:35

drop bears.

1:12:37

Australia's always lie. Kawala bears

1:12:40

government again again the banning.

1:12:42

Mhmm. But as it often goes in

1:12:44

situations like this, the perceived persecution

1:12:47

made families like Mike Rinders believed

1:12:49

that they were doing something important. Exactly.

1:12:51

IE, if they're telling me I'm wrong,

1:12:54

I must be right because I've been told that

1:12:56

I'm gonna be told that I'm wrong. So I'm right.

1:12:58

Hubbard's right. My auditor is right. And this

1:13:00

is indeed a false moral. I mean, they are

1:13:02

correct. Again, biggest mistake they

1:13:04

made was banned in this

1:13:05

damn thought process.

1:13:06

Well, the inside of it, but didn't ban it, and

1:13:09

this is where the stronghold is. Yeah. It

1:13:10

means what we're doing an episode on.

1:13:12

Yeah. Exactly.

1:13:12

Literally, it's also been shat on all

1:13:14

over the place in America. Yeah. It

1:13:17

does not have the same cache, but it's what you

1:13:19

do. It's a it's kind of a they

1:13:21

talk about it with amangelism in in in

1:13:23

Christianity too, where if you go

1:13:26

and you're taught that what you

1:13:28

do is special. Yeah. And then other people

1:13:30

are gonna have an adverse reaction because they're not

1:13:32

ready to hear about it. They're not ready for

1:13:34

it. But before they are an enemy. You're an enemy.

1:13:36

And then you

1:13:36

go and you try to bring somebody in, and they do have

1:13:38

a weird reaction to it. And then with

1:13:40

the yes. You do then feel isolated,

1:13:43

but then when you go back to your

1:13:45

home group, they all

1:13:47

are super happy to see you and

1:13:49

it helps double you down inside of the organization

1:13:52

as well. Same thing with you -- And your your --

1:13:54

all the words, all the verbiage, like,

1:13:56

you eventually get so

1:13:58

like drowning in it. You get so covered in

1:14:01

all of the terms, ma'am. That you start to

1:14:03

sound like a crazy person when you

1:14:04

talk. And so if you communicate with anyone else -- Yeah.

1:14:06

It makes fun. I will more like slated.

1:14:08

You do get some people and the group

1:14:10

is called a friend group. Yep. How many people do you

1:14:12

really need to know? And so

1:14:15

the grinders kept getting money to the church

1:14:17

and they kept raising their kids as scientists.

1:14:20

And once Mike was old enough, he

1:14:22

too joined c org and found himself

1:14:24

working under David Miscavige at

1:14:26

Cineorg. Making Hubbard movies.

1:14:29

That just It was all viral

1:14:31

videos. And they're all under

1:14:32

work on Rust. Yeah. Yes. I literally

1:14:35

would rather

1:14:35

work on it now I

1:14:37

cannot imagine just Elron Hubbard.

1:14:40

If I showed up back to if I showed up to set

1:14:42

on rust, I would show up with a fucking bulletproof

1:14:44

vest and be like fuck all of you

1:14:46

were doing this bit until this movie stops

1:14:49

being made.

1:14:50

Now from what Rinder remembers, Miscavige

1:14:53

was a brash and flexible, vindictive,

1:14:55

aggressively competitive bully who berated

1:14:57

his subordinates. Rinder included. But

1:15:00

Miscavige was also already designated

1:15:03

as a so called rocket within

1:15:05

the

1:15:05

church, meaning that he'd been tapped as

1:15:07

special person destined for great

1:15:10

things.

1:15:10

Wow. So this was just right

1:15:12

out of the gate.

1:15:13

Yeah. This guy was supposed to be the man.

1:15:15

However, David almost fucked up

1:15:17

his entire trajectory when he

1:15:19

decided to lighten the mood around Senate

1:15:21

org by filming a sketch

1:15:24

to give to

1:15:24

LRA. Okay. I we don't know.

1:15:26

We

1:15:27

can't find out what the skit. What you

1:15:29

have to Was that we don't know what it is? I

1:15:31

pulled it up. Yeah.

1:15:32

We tried finding

1:15:32

out really. Nobody has said what the

1:15:34

skit is because I mean, at this point, like, Elrond,

1:15:37

he was reaching the end of his life. Things

1:15:39

weren't going particularly well. The

1:15:41

mood surrounding him was pretty dark. He

1:15:43

was near late seventies in the early eighties.

1:15:45

I could see

1:15:46

that. So David, Miscavige, this

1:15:48

weird little psychopath thinks it's time

1:15:50

for some skits and bits.

1:15:51

Dude, I have to fucking know what's

1:15:52

going on. I wish I could find it. I couldn't find it

1:15:55

anyway. Oh, man.

1:15:56

We have no clue what it was.

1:15:58

A Baleridge didn't like it. Yeah.

1:16:00

So he didn't like it. I

1:16:01

I'm pretty assume it must have involved some form

1:16:03

of impression and

1:16:04

maybe a little bit of a roast. Yeah. Because

1:16:06

LRF

1:16:06

did not reacted

1:16:09

a way that he thought and that he

1:16:11

was. He

1:16:13

demanded to know the names of the people

1:16:15

involved. Look at that. I don't

1:16:18

talk like that. Oh, man.

1:16:21

So

1:16:21

literally, it almost got derailed by a

1:16:23

bad comedy as good as it always

1:16:25

does. Oh, god. The only way

1:16:28

that Miscavige was able to get his ass

1:16:30

out of the ringer was to completely renovate

1:16:32

one of LRH's houses. He had

1:16:34

to rid every single bit of

1:16:36

fiberglass in the entire structure because

1:16:39

LRH claimed to be allergic to

1:16:40

fiberglass, but that got him back in.

1:16:42

Wow. It feels that's his love

1:16:44

language, his active service. Mhmm. Wow.

1:16:47

That is I mean, when we do something

1:16:49

bad

1:16:49

bit, you just gotta move

1:16:50

on. I just move on. No.

1:16:51

Get to do a whole renovation. Yep. Misapparently

1:16:54

ingratiated Miscavige to LRH

1:16:57

considerably because in nineteen eighty,

1:16:59

when LRH finished his most famous

1:17:01

novel, Battlefield Earth's Leverage.

1:17:04

It's all about Leverage.

1:17:06

Miscavige was heavily involved

1:17:08

in the process of adapting the novel

1:17:10

to film. I don't Did you know

1:17:12

what? The Elronditor realized

1:17:15

His film is

1:17:16

not his strong suit. We don't know. Well,

1:17:18

today, we know Battlefield Earth is one of

1:17:20

the worst movies ever made. John Trevalta's

1:17:22

biggest misstep. But what's lesser

1:17:24

known is that John Travolta has actually

1:17:26

been attached to this project since

1:17:28

nineteen eighty.

1:17:30

Wow, that's amazing. And you go back and

1:17:32

you do watch it with friends. It's kind of fun.

1:17:34

yeah. I think that, again,

1:17:36

John Travolta, much like the other

1:17:39

when he was in that Fred Dursch movie.

1:17:41

Oh, he looks horrible. But the

1:17:43

choices that he makes as

1:17:45

an actor -- Mhmm. -- in both

1:17:47

films -- Yeah. -- psych me. It's the

1:17:49

same thing with Tom Hanks in the Elvis movie.

1:17:52

I know I know and lied for him to dislike it. But

1:17:54

I was still like, I can't believe

1:17:56

they're let me to fucking do this.

1:17:59

They're just like that's power. Is it

1:18:01

you get to just suck out loud?

1:18:03

And everyone's like, Tom. Incredible.

1:18:05

Like every

1:18:06

day. Wow. Great words. Wow,

1:18:08

John. Incredible. From

1:18:10

North Korea. Now concerning

1:18:12

Travolta's introduction Scientology.

1:18:15

Hubbard knew as far back as nineteen

1:18:17

fifty four that the best way to promote Scientology

1:18:20

was to court celebrities. Mhmm. As early

1:18:22

as nineteen fifty five, the Scientology

1:18:26

Obility published a list of potential

1:18:28

celebrity recruits for members to go after.

1:18:30

Mhmm. Interestingly, this list included

1:18:32

both Bob Hope and Jackie Gleeson.

1:18:35

Yeah,

1:18:35

man. Oh. Two men

1:18:37

who in the year sense have been revealed as believers

1:18:39

in the alien phenomenon. Isn't that weird

1:18:41

because oh, no. Jackie Gleeson said that him and Nixon

1:18:44

went to an undisclosed location and looked at

1:18:46

an alien body Yeah.

1:18:47

That must have been real, smoky, and farty,

1:18:49

and blue whiskey. Especially because you probably

1:18:51

couldn't see there was so much smoke you can't see what's

1:18:53

in there. No. That

1:18:55

looks like a cigar RUFO. You're smoking

1:18:57

us too good.

1:18:57

Oh, yeah. My eyes are too low. Yeah.

1:19:00

But when recruiting established celebrities, when

1:19:02

that didn't really work out, nobody was

1:19:04

recruited. Not in this

1:19:05

Not Scientology tried

1:19:07

a different tack. We gotta catch

1:19:10

him on the way up.

1:19:11

Yes. I remember the Scientology

1:19:14

party I want I once went to, and it was

1:19:16

a it was a group of people getting a lot of work,

1:19:18

but you had so many fucking

1:19:20

chance. I

1:19:21

know.

1:19:22

I was right there. Yep. You

1:19:24

gotta open that mouth. What's the difference between

1:19:26

a cock and a hotdog? Nothing.

1:19:29

The difference between you to be the and

1:19:31

the

1:19:31

satanist. Nothing. You can't deal with

1:19:33

this different guy. Frank, you're the one

1:19:35

of the best salesman I've ever met about.

1:19:37

You want to do with my mouth? The difference is

1:19:39

a fucking film career is with the difference.

1:19:41

Tell me. Right? There's a lot of dicks I probably

1:19:43

should have sucked

1:19:44

into, but we wouldn't do this. We wouldn't be in

1:19:46

this room. It

1:19:47

wouldn't be. I got something to it's

1:19:49

called a toothpaste. It's called toothbrush. Use

1:19:51

it. And you got you so

1:19:54

fucking new mouth. What? Fuck

1:19:57

your dick. Oh, you want me to suck

1:19:59

a dick with a a clean mouth and then

1:20:01

no ass. It was Frank. Oh, no ass. You

1:20:03

all dirty I like a dirty mouth and then afterwards.

1:20:05

Why don't you just go cure that other little boy

1:20:07

of ass. That boy is Corey

1:20:09

Feldman.

1:20:12

And I think he's gonna make it

1:20:17

way back when. Recruiters were

1:20:20

placed outside of central casting to

1:20:22

pass out fires for

1:20:23

workshops, quote unquote, workshops on

1:20:26

how to find an agent or how

1:20:28

to get into the

1:20:29

screen actors' guilt. Oh, man. So if you wanna

1:20:31

find desperate people, that's where you go.

1:20:33

Of course. And the answer to both those

1:20:35

Scientology

1:20:36

That's that's the only way

1:20:39

bro. Yeah. Because that's at their fronts.

1:20:41

You know, like, someone shows up thinking, like,

1:20:43

I'm gonna get an agent by the end of the

1:20:44

week. And nope. You're just getting to be

1:20:46

a Scientology.

1:20:47

That's like one to date in Irish Catholic girls

1:20:49

who just go watch you too all the time whenever

1:20:52

they're there. Or they're alive. But you know what but

1:20:54

technically, it boils down to the way Hollywood

1:20:56

does work. mean, it's who you know. So

1:20:58

the more people that get involved and are

1:21:00

in on the game, the easier it is, and then

1:21:03

It's not just It's the connections within

1:21:05

scintology that get you through. Yeah. And then you find

1:21:07

out there's certain subcutters or ccs

1:21:09

that you can or cannot go to. Like, you find

1:21:11

out that, like, the LA big

1:21:14

celebrity center, the one that's been in the big fancy

1:21:16

mansion on Franklin, it eventually becomes

1:21:19

only certain members

1:21:21

can come here because now so many

1:21:23

people are showing up with screenplays and shit

1:21:25

that they were like, well, you don't really make the cut

1:21:28

we need Jia body Ramesi's dog

1:21:30

trainers actually coming in

1:21:31

today, and he's gonna need this I'm

1:21:34

sorry. Thank you. It's still

1:21:35

it's a lanyard based culture. Oh,

1:21:38

yeah. You gotta have to write down. Yeah.

1:21:40

I know. The big guys, they get to go to the celebrity

1:21:42

center. Everyone else has to go to Magnolia

1:21:44

and Laurel Canyon -- Yeah. -- like across the street from

1:21:46

the

1:21:47

Gulf. Station.

1:21:47

Yeah. Yeah. The welcoming center.

1:21:52

Well, this in a roundabout sort of way, this is

1:21:54

how Scientology John Travolta.

1:21:56

Mhmm. In nineteen sixty nine, Travolta

1:21:58

was in Mexico making his first film.

1:22:01

That was a fun little ball of madness

1:22:03

called bed devil's

1:22:04

reign. fucking amazing.

1:22:06

It's so

1:22:06

good. It's got Ernest Borgnine

1:22:08

is a satan. And Ernest Borgnine would love her

1:22:10

watch it again because he's like, that was the

1:22:12

scariest I ever was. He

1:22:14

didn't wanna be scary. He said he he said

1:22:16

he didn't like how much the devil was involved because it

1:22:18

was the only movie that Anton Lavette

1:22:20

actually served as a technical consultant

1:22:22

on for Satanism --

1:22:24

Mhmm. -- on a a shoot. Like, he showed up

1:22:26

on me. I guess.

1:22:27

Honestly port Ernest, bored nine. He's

1:22:29

got his eyebrows or too big

1:22:31

for them.

1:22:32

We actually played some clips from the devil's

1:22:34

reign on the Stream. I remember. Guess

1:22:36

what? Stream's coming

1:22:37

back is Tuesday. February

1:22:39

twenty first twenty twenty three. But on

1:22:42

set at the devil's reign, Trafalgar became

1:22:44

friends with an actress, dancer, and devout

1:22:46

scientist named Joan

1:22:48

Prather. Travolta confided

1:22:50

that he was suffering from depression and

1:22:52

insomnia.

1:22:53

Joe, I'm so sick. I can't sleep.

1:22:56

Who am I supposed to do with Joe? Depression,

1:22:59

sadness. Anything about closeted,

1:23:02

homosexuality? No.

1:23:03

No. Not at all. You ever need to love musical theater,

1:23:05

which isn't

1:23:06

necessarily know. Don't really know. So gay.

1:23:08

I wanna dance in the call, so wanna

1:23:10

be in a plane. Wow.

1:23:14

So really good. Really good.

1:23:16

Great. Did you work on that before? No. We ended

1:23:19

up cooking his house

1:23:20

there. Yes. So Prather

1:23:22

shared that all of her raw

1:23:25

emotions have been smoothed out by

1:23:27

philosophy called Scientology. Pather,

1:23:30

lint Travolta, a copy of Dynetics

1:23:32

down in Mexico. Travolta claimed it's

1:23:34

cured mind some or not cured helped

1:23:37

with my

1:23:37

insomnia. I may have put him no back.

1:23:39

Like, repaid something. And would you

1:23:41

believe mister Khan? I would sleep

1:23:44

Oh, my god. I was a little

1:23:46

dog in a pile

1:23:47

of sunshine. That means you need to start worshiping

1:23:49

golf because the golf title puts you to bed, Henry.

1:23:52

I I know. So When

1:23:54

Travolta returned to LA, he started

1:23:56

Scientology courses. During one

1:23:58

class, he told the teacher he's got

1:24:00

a big audition coming up. For welcome

1:24:03

back Carter.

1:24:03

Yeah. Yeah. How do you learn

1:24:05

how to say it like that? Yeah. It is a big audition.

1:24:08

And

1:24:08

that would, of course, become John Trevalta's breakout

1:24:10

role,

1:24:10

Benny Barbarino. Sweat hauls.

1:24:13

Yeah. That's a good show. But

1:24:15

because Travolta was nervous about the audition,

1:24:17

the teacher in his Scientology class

1:24:20

told everyone in attendance TO

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POINT IN THE DIRECTION OF THE

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ABC. STUDIOZ AND TELLypathically

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COMMUNICATE A MESSAGE. WE WANT

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JOHN TRAVEL TO FOR THE PART.

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We want John

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Travolta

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for the park. You know, that's good vibes. Yeah.

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And

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good vibes to ABC. Alright.

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It's great. Thoughts and prayers that

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always weren't sure. And as it went, John

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came to the next class with part in

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hand. And within just a couple

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of years, Travolta would be the world's most

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famous the church's first

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big celebrity get. Wow. Now,

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in the Battlefield Earth movie was being discussed

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in nineteen eighty. John Travolta Starr

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was already somewhat on the wane after

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the massive success of both Saturday Night Fever

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and Greece. But the executive director

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of Scientology, Bill Franks, still

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thought that Gibraltar was right

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for the

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lead. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't

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He's the guy. He's the nine one scientist.

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Celebrities used to be able to I'm

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not I don't think that they wanted to, but they

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would disappear.

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No. Yeah. They don't walk away. Doesn't just anymore.

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Either. Nicholson lives a an isolated

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mansion on the top of Moholl and Drive. He

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is just there, vibing, needing,

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fucking chicken parms -- Yeah. -- and hanging

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out with the women that he hires to sit there

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and watch a meat

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sandwich. They're called high. Nurses. Get

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loose. Stay

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hot, getless, nurses.

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Okay. Well, some of them have their tops

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off. Yeah. That's cool. Well, the executive

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director of Scientology, as I said, Bill Frank,

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he thought that Travolta was right for the

1:25:45

lead. Frank's was also the person supposedly

1:25:48

in possession of all the auditing records

1:25:50

in which John Travolta spoke about his

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struggles with his own sexual But you believe

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I look at it. I said the balls.

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No. I'm thinking I'm like the boobies.

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That's

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okay. You know what? Actually, that's fine. You you're

1:26:02

allowed to be gay. You can be gay if that's

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your --

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Oh. -- English language.

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What's a confusing message? No. It's

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okay. Oh, same

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color. Will use it as leverage against

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you for