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Shannon Doherty. Hello

2:05

everybody! Let's be

2:07

clear family. I'm so excited to be

2:10

able to speak to all of you

2:12

My name is Amy Robach and for

2:14

those of you who don't know me

2:17

I have a podcast called Amy and

2:19

TJ I was formerly a Anaker and

2:21

a reporter on Good Morning America Perhaps

2:24

you might know me from there, but

2:26

it was through that job on Good

2:28

Morning America that I had the honor

2:31

and the privilege of meeting speaking with

2:33

and interviewing the late great Shannon

2:35

Doherty. It was 2020. It

2:38

was actually right before the

2:40

pandemic, right before all hell

2:42

broke loose in this country

2:44

in February of 2020. Wow,

2:46

that was five years ago.

2:48

I got to sit down

2:50

and speak with Shannon and

2:52

she decided that month that day

2:55

to let the world know what

2:57

she had been dealing with and

2:59

what she had known for

3:01

some time at that point.

3:03

that her cancer, that her

3:05

breast cancer had come back,

3:07

that it was stage

3:09

four metastatic breast

3:12

cancer and it was

3:14

gutting. It's the news that

3:16

no breast cancer patient

3:19

survivor. wants to hear. It's

3:21

the thing that we all fear. I,

3:23

for those of you who don't know,

3:26

am also a breast cancer survivor. I

3:28

had stage two breast cancer. It had

3:30

traveled to my live notes and I

3:32

was diagnosed through a work assignment on

3:34

Good Morning America. So it was a

3:37

full circle moment to be able to

3:39

speak with Shannon there on Good Morning

3:41

America. Seven years later, she and I

3:43

were diagnosed within a couple years of

3:45

each other with early stage breast cancer.

3:47

and so yes for her to have

3:49

to come back and tell the world

3:52

that her cancer had come back and

3:54

for a lot of cancers you can

3:56

come back and you can fight it

3:58

and you can beat it. But

4:01

those of us who have had

4:03

breast cancer know that when you

4:05

get the stage four metastatic diagnosis,

4:07

that it is a terminal one

4:09

right now. And there are drugs

4:11

and there are ways to fight

4:13

it to prolong your life and

4:15

to live longer and better, but

4:17

ultimately, right now, if you get

4:19

a stage four metastatic diagnosis, you

4:21

are dying. And so when Shannon

4:23

sat down with me to break

4:25

this news, it was heartbreaking and

4:27

it was personal. I like so

4:30

many of you grew up loving

4:32

Shannon Doherty, I think we were about

4:34

one or two years apart. I'm 52. I

4:36

think she might have been two years older

4:38

than me. So I was absolutely in

4:40

awe of her and just got to

4:43

see her from afar, got to interview

4:45

her in a group, but I didn't

4:47

get to meet her one-on-one. And sadly,

4:49

it wasn't until she came to good

4:51

morning America. on that February morning in

4:54

2020 that I actually got to sit

4:56

down with her and what we had

4:58

to talk about was the last thing

5:00

either one of us wanted to. But

5:02

she was so brave. You know, that is,

5:04

I don't know if people give women

5:07

who come forward, especially women in

5:09

the public eye, enough credit, for

5:11

coming forward. Because especially when

5:13

there's someone like Shannon Doherty

5:16

who was this bright, beautiful,

5:18

shining example of success and

5:20

health. to then say, I

5:22

have this right now incurable disease and

5:24

I am dying and I am scared

5:26

and I don't know what's next and

5:29

I don't know how hard it's going

5:31

to get and how dark it's going

5:33

to get. But I'm sharing this with

5:35

the world because I want other women

5:38

to not feel alone. I want to

5:40

promote and be an advocate for better

5:42

research so that we can find a

5:44

cure to this disease and I'm going

5:46

to put my name and I'm going

5:49

to put... all of this pain out

5:51

there to the world so that we

5:53

can all collectively embrace each other

5:55

and then work together to try and find

5:57

a cure. That is so brave. That is

5:59

So brave, I remember when

6:02

I first was diagnosed and

6:04

decided to go public with

6:06

my breast cancer diagnosis,

6:09

my surgeon said to me the

6:11

night before the surgery, are you

6:13

sure you want to go public

6:15

with this? Are you sure you want

6:17

to tell the world about your

6:19

diagnosis? And I said, yes,

6:22

but why are you asking me

6:24

like this? And Dr. Axelrod

6:26

said, are you prepared to

6:28

be pitied? I don't know that

6:30

you are. It's a big deal to have

6:32

people look at you and look at

6:34

you like they're almost attending your funeral

6:37

and that will happen to you. And

6:39

sure enough, it did. You get the

6:41

cancer nod and the cancer hugs and

6:44

the people look at you with pity.

6:46

And it's a strange thing to experience

6:48

if you haven't before. It's one thing

6:50

to have an early stage diagnosis like

6:53

she and I both did in the

6:55

beginning. It's another thing altogether when you're

6:57

telling the world that you have an

7:00

incurable disease and that you're dying. And

7:02

that takes a whole other level of

7:04

bravery that I just want to commend

7:06

Shannon for doing because when you tell

7:09

your story, when one person tells their

7:11

story, it affects everyone around you. All the

7:13

women in your life tend to go and make

7:15

those mammogram appointments or to make that

7:17

doctor's appointment to keep those appointments that

7:19

they hadn't before because they're suddenly realizing

7:22

how vulnerable we all are as human

7:24

beings and that if we don't have

7:26

our health we don't have anything so

7:28

every person listening to this podcast no

7:30

matter what it is you may be

7:33

dealing with whether it's loss or a

7:35

disease or some sort of issue when

7:37

you share it with one person it

7:39

affects everyone around you because There is

7:41

a collective learning and understanding and

7:43

growing that comes from it. So

7:46

when you're someone like Shannon Doherty

7:48

and you take your Tremendous and enormous

7:50

platform and you tell the world

7:53

what you're dealing with the impact

7:55

of that is immense. And so I

7:57

just when I was sitting there talking with

7:59

her and and interviewing her, I was

8:01

in awe of her because I have

8:03

thought, and I think a lot of

8:06

women who have early stage breast cancer

8:08

have thought about what they would do

8:10

and how they would handle a stage

8:13

four metastatic diagnosis. Anyone who has had

8:15

breast cancer lives with that threat, lives

8:17

with that fear of it returning, of

8:20

it being stage four metastatic. And we

8:22

live our lives differently because of it.

8:24

We spend our time differently because of

8:27

it, but there's a lot of fear

8:29

and a lot of mental work that

8:31

has to be done along with the

8:34

physical when you're dealing with the breast

8:36

cancer diagnosis and specifically a stage for

8:38

metastatic diagnosis. I have had two dear

8:41

friends, one has already passed and one

8:43

is... rounding just rounded her seventh year

8:45

as a as a metastatic breast cancer

8:48

patient and that is frankly remarkable and

8:50

I am in all of her each

8:52

and every day it's people like Shannon

8:55

it's people like my friend Morgan and

8:57

my dear My dear friend Olivia who

8:59

I lost we all lost last November

9:02

they are the women who I think

9:04

of every day when I have little

9:06

things that happen where I am upset

9:09

or I feel frustrated by I think

9:11

about those women and I say I

9:13

got this. This is a very small

9:15

problem. This is just a situation that

9:18

needs to be addressed. It's not actually

9:20

a real problem. It just puts full

9:22

perspective into your life. And I just

9:25

want to share with all of you

9:27

in this podcast what I learned from

9:29

Shannon, from women like Shannon, and from

9:32

my own personal diagnosis. I don't know

9:34

how many people know my story who

9:36

are listening to this, but I was

9:39

40 years old and at the time

9:41

the recommendations by all the different agencies

9:43

that tell women how often they should

9:46

get tests and when they should get

9:48

tests. Even the American Cancer Society at

9:50

that point had said. women could wait

9:53

until they were 45 and then the

9:55

the main group that determines when women

9:57

should get mammograms or at least advises

10:00

women they should get mammograms said it

10:02

was 50. So when Good Morning America

10:04

asked me when I just turned 40

10:07

if I would go have a mammogram

10:09

in a mammavan in front of a

10:11

live national audience for Good Morning America

10:14

on October 1st which is breast cancer

10:16

awareness month to raise awareness about the

10:18

importance of early detection, I said no.

10:21

I just, I'm an authentic person and

10:23

I just, I told my producers at

10:25

Good Morning America, I had no intention

10:28

of getting a mammogram and I was

10:30

planning on waiting 10 years before I

10:32

had my first mammogram and so I

10:34

didn't want to go on national television

10:37

and tell other women to get a

10:39

mammogram if I myself was not going

10:41

to get one. That was just a

10:44

non-starter for me. And they asked me

10:46

to speak to Robin Roberts, who is

10:48

also a breast cancer thriver. She doesn't

10:51

even like the word survivor. She's a

10:53

thriver. And they said, will you please

10:55

talk to Robin for you? Make it

10:58

an absolute no. I said, sure. So

11:00

I walked into Robin's dressing room and

11:02

I said, hey, Robin, I'm not the

11:05

gal. I'm not the one who should

11:07

go into the mamma van next week.

11:09

I have no connection to the disease.

11:12

My mom is one of nine, my

11:14

dad is one of six. At that

11:16

time, I had all of my grandparents

11:19

still alive, all of my aunts, all

11:21

of my cousins, no one. And I

11:23

don't even know how many cousins I

11:26

have at this point, but no one

11:28

has breast cancer in my family. So

11:30

I just felt like I had no

11:33

personal connection to the disease, and I

11:35

certainly didn't think that I needed a

11:37

mammogram. And Robin said to me, she

11:40

laughed and said, you're exactly the person

11:42

who should walk into that happen to

11:44

you. And she said, I'm sure you're

11:47

fine. But it's that mentality that causes

11:49

women not to make those appointments and

11:51

not to keep those appointments. And so

11:53

let me just say this to you.

11:56

Robin said, if you walk into that

11:58

mamavan. and you get

12:00

that mammogram on live national television and

12:03

you show the world, you show the

12:05

women watching that it's not that painful,

12:07

that it's not that hard, you will

12:09

save a life. One woman will make

12:11

her appointment who wouldn't have otherwise and

12:13

she will find her breast cancer and

12:15

she will thank you for saving her

12:17

life. That was a really, really compelling

12:20

argument and I did a 180 in that

12:22

moment. I remember feeling emotion. It

12:24

felt like a watershed moment and

12:26

I said to Robin, we were

12:29

in her dressing room, I said,

12:31

I cannot believe I'm saying this,

12:33

I'm gonna do a 180 here and

12:35

I'll do it. I'll do it. I

12:37

can't beat that argument. I'll

12:39

say yes. And so because I

12:42

was nudged by Robin and my

12:44

producers to get into that

12:46

mammogram, I found my breast

12:48

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12:50

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15:29

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15:31

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15:33

they found a lump in

15:35

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15:37

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15:40

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15:42

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15:44

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15:46

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15:48

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15:55

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15:59

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16:01

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16:06

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16:08

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16:10

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16:13

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16:15

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16:17

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16:19

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16:22

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16:24

the people I talked to convinced me

16:26

to have a double misectomy. And That

16:28

is a scary surgery. It is it

16:31

is an amputation. It is not something

16:33

to take lightly and it is life-changing

16:35

and the every day I am in

16:37

the shower I Don't have feeling in

16:40

my breasts every day. I take a

16:42

shower I know that I'm a breast

16:44

cancer survivor because it just the best

16:46

way I can describe it is if

16:49

you've had Novocaine to get a cavity

16:51

filled how it feels weird and you

16:53

get that's how my breasts feel that's

16:55

how they will always feel And that's

16:58

a lot better than they felt in

17:00

the months after the double mastectomy. So

17:02

my point being, I am not advocating

17:04

double mastectomies here because they are a

17:07

very serious surgery that require very serious

17:09

consideration. However, my surgeon really didn't think

17:11

I should get a double mastectomy. She

17:13

didn't think I needed one. And the

17:16

night before the surgery, she also went

17:18

that phone call, she also said to

17:20

me, are you sure you don't want

17:22

to change your mind? And I said,

17:25

I'm sure. I'm sure. When I woke

17:27

up from the surgery, there she was,

17:29

my surgeon standing over me, and she

17:31

said to me, okay, you were right,

17:34

but I was good. And she told

17:36

me that when they did the double

17:38

mastectomy, she took her finger and just

17:40

felt the lining of my chest wall.

17:43

And I had had, by the way,

17:45

an MRI, a sonogram, you know, and

17:47

the... mammogram and all of those tests

17:49

only showed one malignant mass. When she

17:52

felt the lining of my chest wall

17:54

she found another mass. They tested it

17:56

on the site and found out that

17:58

it too was malignant. So she found

18:01

a second malignant tumor only because I

18:03

had the double mastectomy and I just

18:05

always want to tell that story because

18:07

you never know you have to trust

18:10

really the research you've done and at

18:12

the end of the day it was

18:14

my gut. My gut just told me

18:16

that I wanted to get a double

18:19

mastectomy. And it proved to be the

18:21

best choice of, the best course of

18:23

action when they did all of the

18:25

testing on all of my breast tissue

18:28

from both breasts, my left breast, also

18:30

was completely pre-cancerous. And so it too,

18:32

they believe, would have ultimately developed into

18:34

breast cancer. So having the double, the

18:37

bilateral mastectomy, was absolutely the right decision

18:39

for me. And it was confirmed with

18:41

the surgical result. So I always, always

18:43

want to tell that story. The other

18:46

decision you have to make. is what

18:48

happens afterwards. I went, I actually would,

18:50

I had to have chemo. You get

18:52

an ACCA score, it tells you your

18:55

chance of recurrence and the threat of

18:57

having a comeback metastatic mine was much

18:59

higher than they wanted it to be,

19:01

and just all the lab work that

19:04

they did on my breast issue, my

19:06

oncologist said you don't have a choice,

19:08

you have to have chemo. So I

19:10

went through six months of chemo, and

19:13

then when you're done with that, and

19:15

you have your reconstructive surgery, now you

19:17

have drug therapy. And this is a

19:19

point I want to talk about because

19:22

Shannon and I had this discussion, Shannon

19:24

Doherty and I, when she came in

19:26

and sat down with me, at that

19:28

point, I believe I was on year

19:31

six of tomoxifin. So tomoxifin is a

19:33

drug that is offered to women who

19:35

have ER positive breast cancer. So it's

19:37

hormoneally fueled. And so the tomoxifin, I'm

19:40

not again a medical scientist, but the

19:42

best way in layman's term I can

19:44

describe it the way I understand that

19:46

it works is it suppresses. your estrogen.

19:49

It suppresses those hormones that feed cancer

19:51

cells. And I remember my oncologist telling

19:53

me, you have to get chemo. But

19:55

even more importantly, you have to take

19:58

to Moximan. And it had just, they

20:00

had said five years was the gold

20:02

standard and they had just raised it

20:04

to 10 years. They want women to

20:07

be on this drug for 10 years.

20:09

So I'm 40 and now I'm going

20:11

into forced menopause and all of the

20:13

things that come with that, the hot

20:16

flashes, the joint pain, the dry skin,

20:18

the just there are so many negative

20:20

side effects that come from it. But

20:22

at the time, you know, my daughters

20:25

were, I had two little girls who

20:27

were seven. and 10 at the time

20:29

when I was diagnosed. And my oncologist

20:31

told me right away you are out

20:34

of the baby-making business. And I had

20:36

been trying to have another child, actually,

20:38

the whole year before. So she said,

20:40

thank God, you didn't get pregnant. And

20:43

that really shook me. And to be

20:45

told, you're out of the baby-making business,

20:47

I was lucky enough to have already

20:49

had two children. Shannon did not, she

20:52

was not in that same situation. And

20:54

so when she was then presented presented

20:56

with these same options with these same

20:58

options, She opted not to have the

21:01

Tamoxone. She wanted to keep her options

21:03

open. And that's a very fair personal

21:05

decision that every woman has to make.

21:07

But Shannon decided not to have Tamoxifin.

21:10

I decided to have Tamoxifin. No one

21:12

will ever know if one decision led

21:14

to the next outcome. But I know

21:16

that Shannon at the end regretted not

21:19

taking the Tamoxifin. And I remember when

21:21

she told me that she wasn't on

21:23

Tamoxin. She decided not to take the

21:25

timoxifin. I just thought I'm off on

21:28

my throat because my friend Olivia, who

21:30

I just mentioned earlier in the beginning

21:32

of this podcast, who passed last November,

21:34

she and I were diagnosed, again, like

21:37

she had an ER positive cancer, she

21:39

was also stage two, it had traveled

21:41

to her lymph nodes like me. She

21:43

also opted. She started on the timoxifin,

21:46

she is a professional dancer, she is

21:48

a professional dancer, she said her joints

21:50

hurt too much, and so she stopped

21:52

taking it. And when her cancer came

21:55

back four years later, four years later.

21:57

stage four metastatic. She said to me,

21:59

God, I wish I had stayed

22:01

on that too much. So it's

22:04

just, it's not fair. No one

22:06

knows. Olivia and Shannon could have

22:08

stayed on to moxifin and been

22:10

on to moxifin and they still

22:13

may have had the same outcome.

22:15

But it's just worth mentioning that

22:17

it's just, I remember feeling and

22:19

I still feel to this day

22:22

that when you are a breast

22:24

cancer patient, suddenly all of these

22:26

decisions. are handed to you. And

22:28

people can tell you what they

22:31

think, and they can tell you

22:33

what the best advice they believe

22:35

is, but ultimately you go with

22:37

your gut, you go with your

22:40

heart, and you make the choice.

22:42

But that's a scary thing, because

22:44

no one really knows what one

22:46

decision leads to, and you just

22:48

have to make the best decision

22:51

in the moment. I know that's

22:53

what Shannon did. That was the

22:55

best decision for her and her

22:57

life in that moment and what

23:00

she wanted, and it was the

23:02

best decision for Olivia. in her

23:04

life. I do know that I've

23:06

made a lot of changes over

23:09

the years. Since I've been diagnosed

23:11

with breast cancer, health choices, I

23:13

started running. I've always been a

23:15

runner, but I upped my game.

23:18

It took me a couple years.

23:20

I just don't want anyone to

23:22

think somehow I got cancer and

23:24

then became a superwoman. Nah. I

23:27

was... At that point, I... I

23:29

was writing a book, and I

23:31

did write a book, if anyone,

23:33

like to pick it up. It

23:36

was, my book is called Better,

23:38

and it was about how my

23:40

life has gotten better through this

23:42

diagnosis. It doesn't mean it was

23:45

easier, it doesn't mean it was

23:47

less challenging, but I was able

23:49

to make better decisions. And so

23:51

many of my decisions, even my

23:54

last decision to leave my last

23:56

marriage, was absolutely influenced. by my

23:58

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24:12

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24:23

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24:25

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24:27

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24:30

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I would tell? Would I go public?

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And you know what? I don't know the

27:31

answer to that. I don't know that I

27:34

would go public until I had to. I

27:36

don't know if I would want to be

27:38

the face of that the way I

27:40

was, even with early stage breast cancer.

27:42

And so again, I just give

27:45

so much credit to Shannon for

27:47

allowing us on that journey with her

27:49

so that we could be with

27:51

her, but also learn from her

27:53

and hopefully keep Chen. fighting and

27:56

being champions for her in the

27:58

cause and the cure. And that's

28:00

where my focus is right

28:03

now because I do try

28:05

to balance my life in a

28:07

much different way. You know

28:09

what I do? And I encourage

28:11

everyone to do this.

28:14

You don't have to

28:16

have gone through anything

28:18

too significant yet to choose

28:20

this. I choose fun. I choose

28:22

laughter. I wake up. Most

28:24

mornings and literally say to myself, how

28:26

am I going to have fun today?

28:29

It doesn't have to be silly or

28:31

inane or something. It's just, it's a

28:33

choice about how you go through life

28:36

and what your attitude is. And yes,

28:38

I have bad days where I am

28:40

not in the mood to have fun,

28:42

but I do prioritize fun in a

28:45

way that I hadn't before. I

28:47

prioritize enjoyment of life. And that's

28:49

why we're here. I believe that's

28:51

why we're here to love. each

28:54

other to love ourselves and

28:56

to learn. And that can

28:58

all happen with joy.

29:00

And that is the biggest

29:03

lesson I learned. And I

29:05

know that I know that this

29:07

is such a sad topic

29:09

and a painful topic.

29:11

And I think for that

29:14

reason, a lot of people

29:16

shy away from it. They

29:18

shy away from from talking

29:21

about it. And sometimes from even

29:23

making appointments. I have heard from

29:25

women who say they have not

29:27

made their mammogram appointments, that they

29:29

have not even made doctor appointments

29:31

because they don't want to know

29:33

that ignorance is bliss, that it's

29:35

better to not have the test

29:37

and not be worried about it.

29:39

And that to me, I understand.

29:41

I was that person. I would

29:43

have waited until I was 50

29:45

to have that mammogram. And I

29:47

honestly do not believe that I

29:49

would be here talking to you today.

29:52

if I hadn't been pushed literally

29:54

into that mam-a-man. And so

29:56

for anyone who was listening

29:58

and if you you're a

30:00

man listening, tell this to the women

30:03

you love in your life. Ignorance

30:05

is not bliss when it comes

30:07

to cancer. The earlier we find

30:09

cancer, the better chance we have of

30:11

surviving it. Period. End of story.

30:13

And so my daughters, the recommendation

30:15

is for them to have a

30:18

mammogram 10 years before their mom

30:20

was first diagnosed. So at 30,

30:22

my daughters are going to have

30:24

their baseline mammogram. And I had

30:26

a slow growing cancer. So I

30:28

absolutely. got breast cancer in my

30:31

late 30s. And that's a very,

30:33

very, very scary thing. And that

30:35

should not be happening. And so

30:37

I changed my diet. I changed

30:39

my lifestyle. I changed my attitude. Those

30:41

are the three things that I had

30:44

control of. I don't have control of

30:46

anything else. So yes, I run marathons.

30:48

I've upped my game, like I work

30:50

out at least five days a week.

30:52

I watch what I eat. I've lessened

30:54

my drinking and I've lessened my stress

30:57

level. I really think that's an important

30:59

part of this to make sure that

31:01

we take care of our mental health

31:03

along with our physical health because I

31:05

do think those two are connected and

31:08

especially when it comes to cancer we

31:10

can all do better at just relaxing

31:12

and creating a real perspective in our lives.

31:14

This is going to matter in in five

31:16

minutes. This is going to matter in five

31:19

years and really put that to the test

31:21

when we try to recognize how

31:23

we're reacting to life into

31:25

problems. And I do believe that

31:28

every woman should get a

31:30

mammogram by the age of 40.

31:32

And I do believe that you

31:34

should be able to have access

31:36

to not just a mammogram because

31:38

you have dense breast tissue issues

31:40

for a lot of women, so

31:42

we need ultrasound opportunities, 3D mammograms,

31:44

and All of the tests available

31:47

to us, I just I'm imploring

31:49

you who are listening to make

31:51

your appointments and take advantage of

31:53

these life-saving tests that we have.

31:55

Now mammograms are not perfect. And there

31:57

is no perfect test, but they're the

31:59

best. test we have, and they

32:01

certainly have saved countless lives. This

32:04

is the truth. Wherever in the

32:06

world mammography has been introduced, the

32:08

death rates from cancer have dropped,

32:10

period. Now it's, again, there are

32:13

women who have had cancers that

32:15

have gone undiagnosed or undetected by

32:17

mammograms. So again, they are not

32:20

foolproof, but they are the best.

32:22

test we have. And that is

32:24

what I'm asking each and every

32:26

woman listening here today to take

32:29

advantage of because it saved my

32:31

life. And I have been when

32:33

I first started speaking publicly about

32:35

my breast cancer, I was taken

32:38

to task by some people, especially those

32:40

in the metastatic community who want there

32:42

to be less of a focus on

32:45

early detection and more of a focus

32:47

on raising funds to find a cure.

32:49

And I fully fully fully agree that

32:52

both need to get equal time and

32:54

equal press that isn't the case right

32:56

now. But they have said to me,

32:58

hey, you know. You can't say that

33:00

a mammogram saved your life, and technically

33:02

they're right. I can't prove that a

33:05

mammogram saved my life, but I can

33:07

tell you that it gave me the

33:09

best chance at surviving this insidious disease.

33:12

It gave me the best chance of

33:14

dying from something else other than breast

33:16

cancer, and that cannot be refuted. So

33:18

I just make that argument to anyone,

33:21

and I'm acknowledging that more needs to

33:23

be done. in terms of research,

33:25

so that we have more tests

33:27

and more ways of detecting cancer.

33:30

I am a huge advocate of

33:32

raising funds. Someone once told me

33:34

there is a cure for cancer.

33:36

It's called cash. And so I

33:39

implore everyone, if you have a

33:41

charity that you love, for me it's

33:43

DCRF, Breast Cancer Research Foundation. They do

33:45

more, they're actually a huge reason why

33:47

tamoxatin even exists. That drug that I

33:50

think is of course life-saving or at

33:52

least I credit in part to saving

33:54

my life or keeping me in the

33:56

health that I'm in today, that all

33:59

came from research. and any organization

34:01

that funds research that gets

34:03

these scientists working together to

34:05

collaborate to find a cure,

34:07

I am there for it.

34:09

So we can all do

34:12

our part mentally, physically,

34:14

and maybe even financially. But

34:16

let's think about what we can

34:18

do to honor Shannon's memory, to

34:21

honor the women who are fighting

34:23

right now and the women who

34:26

don't even know they're about to.

34:28

receive that diagnosis and it happens

34:30

every day in this country and

34:33

more often than it should but

34:35

I just I want everyone I

34:37

want to end on a on

34:40

a positive note because there are

34:42

beautiful things that come out of

34:45

dealing with something so scary

34:47

and so awful and and the

34:49

number one most important thing

34:51

I learned is how to live that you

34:54

you can you can be living but

34:56

not really and Shannon Shannon,

34:58

I'm going to leave you

35:00

with my favorite thing

35:02

and I talk about

35:05

this a lot. Shannon

35:07

showed me the most amazing

35:09

cartoon that she said

35:11

she looked at almost

35:14

every day and I'll leave

35:16

you with this. It is

35:18

Snoopy and it is Charlie

35:21

Brown and Charlie Brown

35:24

says yellow Snoopy. And

35:26

Snoopy says, you got it

35:28

wrong. We don't only live

35:30

once. We only die once.

35:32

We live every day. And that

35:35

is what I think of every

35:37

day. And I think of

35:39

Shannon often, because she's the

35:41

one who showed me that

35:43

beautiful way to turn yellow

35:45

around. Yeah. We only die

35:47

once. We live every day. I

35:50

want to thank everyone for listening to

35:52

this episode of Let's Be Clear and

35:54

I want to thank the producers for

35:56

giving me the opportunity to share my

35:58

experience with Shannon, my experience. with breast

36:00

cancer and I hope that

36:02

my story connected with some

36:04

of you in a meaningful

36:07

way. And I also just

36:09

want to let everyone know

36:11

if you didn't know, please

36:13

check out Amy and TJ.

36:15

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36:17

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36:19

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36:21

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36:23

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36:25

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36:30

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36:44

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