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, as I was saying , the POE Consortium the

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leading organization which is trying to wrangle

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this thing we call POE Well

2:15

, they just had their elections and I said you know

2:18

what ? It's a good time to get caught up with them

2:20

, because I know a lot of people over the POE

2:22

Consortium and the guest I have on today

2:24

actually last time I recorded him , we

2:26

actually were live , and so now

2:28

we're doing it virtually because I'm still in Florida here

2:30

. So , welcome to the show , david Robinson

2:32

. How are you doing , my friend ?

2:34

Yeah , chuck , thanks very much . I'm doing very well

2:36

. Thanks , and yourself .

2:38

I'm doing good man . Funny thing is , you know

2:40

it's a Monday . I usually try to record my podcast

2:43

at noon and so

2:45

I get in this work log on this morning and

2:47

I send an email to one of my peers at my day

2:49

job and I got back the out of office notification

2:52

because it's a holiday . I'm like what ?

2:54

it's a holiday , oops yeah , that

2:57

, that doesn't resonate at all yeah

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, yeah , I didn't even catch it , I'm working . No problem

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, I'm working , yeah , yeah , I didn't even catch , it was a'm working .

3:03

No problem , I'm working . Yeah , I didn't even catch it , it was a holiday . So there you go . Life

3:05

goes on right . So

3:08

tell us a little bit about you , your experience , and

3:10

share a little bit about the POE

3:12

Consortium .

3:14

Yeah , thanks , chuck . Well , I've been

3:16

in the lighting industry for more years than I

3:18

want to remember I'm probably close to 35 years now and close

3:20

to 35 years

3:22

now and in that time

3:24

I've covered various aspects of

3:26

lighting , lighting design , but it was been on the technical

3:29

side , always trying to push the boundaries , been

3:37

in consulting , been in sales . But I think the area that we're most interested

3:39

in now is pushing the boundary with technology , and I think it was about

3:41

three years ago . I was contacted by

3:43

a couple of industry-leading

3:46

manufacturers who

3:48

were wanting to put together a group

3:51

of people , a group of common-minded people

3:53

wanting to further the PoE industry

3:55

and power over Ethernet

3:57

that is . I still

4:00

am the director of automation for Mecco

4:03

and we were a little entity

4:06

, not in the POE lighting

4:08

industry at the time but more in the POE shading

4:10

industry , and

4:15

we were trying to push the boundaries with regards to what we could do in doing conventional

4:17

or moving away from conventional line

4:20

voltage shading installations with

4:22

POE . So I thought it was

4:24

a great opportunity . I

4:26

aligned with people like Tyler Andrews

4:28

and AK from MHT

4:31

and we started talking

4:33

about how we can all come together

4:35

and , in essence , further

4:38

the technology so that people become

4:40

a little bit more comfortable with it , because the technology

4:42

is not new's been around for decades . But

4:45

the application of utilizing it in

4:47

in all the industries that we're all involved in and

4:49

at the time it was predominantly lighting

4:51

and shading we wanted to grow that

4:54

, that acceptance , and

4:56

almost do away with that fear factor , because

4:58

it always comes

5:00

back to that saying if nobody ever got fired for

5:02

specifying IBM , so it's

5:06

the fear factor . And a lot of engineers

5:09

, a lot of architects , they risk adverse , they

5:12

are scared of adopting new technology and

5:15

they just want to go with a tried

5:17

and proven solution . So they'll typically take

5:19

a specification off the shelf , dust

5:21

off the dust and put it back on the street

5:23

. The

5:26

shelf , dust off the dust and put it back on the street . So

5:28

at the time we started considering whether we should do white papers

5:31

, whether we should do case studies , and then it came

5:33

about . Well , let's rather form a

5:35

group where we can all cohesively

5:37

put forward the same front . I

5:40

mean , we're all manufacturers , we're all competitors

5:42

, but we are friendly competitors with a

5:44

single goal in mind and that is to actually further

5:46

the adoption and

5:48

the education of Power

5:55

over Ethernet

5:59

. As you recall

6:01

, last year down in Orlando I

6:04

was elected president of the POE

6:06

consortium , taking over from Kim Johnson

6:08

, who's big shoes to fill , but

6:17

I had the support of a great board and the support

6:20

of a lot of people that were active in POE . And here

6:22

we are , a year later . They've

6:25

put the trust back in me and we are

6:27

really starting to push the boundaries now . We've been able to achieve a good few milestones

6:29

during the course of my first year , but we've got bigger things to

6:31

come .

6:32

We'll talk about those in just a minute . But you must have been

6:34

doing a good job if they invited you to come back to be president

6:37

again .

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Yeah , I think I did

6:41

. I bring a bit of a different element

6:44

to the leadership , just in terms of

6:46

I'm involved in lighting , but I'm not

6:48

involved in lighting in terms of how

6:51

we typically play . We typically

6:53

control shades , which is controlling the largest

6:55

light source out there , which is the sun . So

6:58

I want to make sure that everybody else in

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that space can

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use the technology and promote

7:05

the technology , and that's been my approach

7:07

. So I'm a sort of

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I wouldn't say agnostic , but I'm

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an independent provider

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of information

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to the consortium

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.

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See , that's why I think your background is going to be super helpful

7:22

, even for another year , because one

7:24

of the biggest things that I run into

7:26

when I talk to people about POE

7:28

either they've never heard of

7:30

it or they think it's some kind

7:32

of like magic . You know pay

7:34

no attention to that man behind the curtain , you know that kind

7:37

of a thing or they only

7:39

think about POE for , like , cameras

7:41

or wireless access points and

7:43

POE is much larger than that and

7:45

I think , with your experience , I

7:47

think that's going to help drive the awareness for

7:49

that as well . So you mentioned you

7:52

finished 2024 , right ? What

7:55

has evolved with PoE over just that last

7:57

year ?

7:58

I think what has evolved in the

8:01

technology is the opening

8:03

up of various protocols

8:06

. We have found that we're starting to

8:08

see a lot more companies interact

8:10

with one another on a PoE platform

8:13

and I think it's

8:15

been advocated by the implementation of

8:17

various interactive APIs

8:20

giving the capability of

8:22

two different systems

8:24

being able to speak to one another , and

8:26

I think that has seen adoption

8:28

starting to grow . Yes

8:30

, we do have headwinds . I'm not going

8:33

to sit here and say it's all plain sailing

8:35

for us and

8:38

that was one of the objectives

8:40

of what rocks

8:43

did we have to turn over in 2024

8:45

to actually get to the root cause

8:47

of the sluggishness

8:49

of adoption of PoE

8:51

and that we did actually successfully

8:54

complete Right .

8:56

So you did actually have a couple of

8:58

PoE people

9:00

at Bixie this year . I saw Tyler and I

9:03

actually kind of peeked my head in , said hi to the guys

9:05

and stuff like that . What industries do you

9:07

think are quickly

9:09

adopting POE technology ?

9:12

Look , it's still being spearheaded by

9:14

the telecommunications

9:17

side the POE cameras , but

9:19

more now so on

9:21

the sensing capability . Poe lighting

9:23

is still one of the forerunners

9:26

. However , we have

9:28

identified that there are

9:31

certain issues with regards to how

9:33

POE was deployed in certain lighting

9:35

installations . That has left a

9:38

bit of a bitter taste in certain people's mouths . So

10:01

we are now trying to ensure that those people can be brought

10:03

back on board to facilitate the adoption of it

10:05

. But we're just trying

10:07

to gain members

10:09

from various sectors of the industry

10:11

that actually utilize PoE , and we've

10:13

seen multiple new members join . People from

10:15

point of sale , believe it or

10:17

not , Every time you go to a

10:20

McDonald's or to Burger

10:22

King , all those communications

10:24

between devices , between where you

10:26

order and the kitchen , that's all being fed

10:28

over PoE . People are blissfully

10:30

unaware of it . They just think it

10:32

all , as you say , happens behind the curtain

10:34

. So

10:37

we are trying to ensure that

10:39

these people in

10:41

industries that are not well

10:43

known for PoE are going to start

10:45

getting publicity , and

10:48

that's through the publication of case

10:50

studies . We're really emphasizing that whenever

10:52

anybody in the PoE industry has a

10:54

success story , publish it

10:56

as a case study , Because nothing

10:58

more drives the message home where

11:01

you've got potentially an owner on board

11:03

supporting the technology that has been deployed

11:05

in his installation and actually saying

11:08

yes , PoE works for me , it's great . It saved

11:10

me X , Y and Z . So that's

11:12

what we're trying to do and we've had participation

11:14

from a couple of people , which

11:16

we're going to be publishing case studies later

11:18

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Here's just a suggestion , and again

12:04

I'm a lowly outsider . White

12:07

papers are fantastic . Videos

12:11

and shorts are better If

12:13

you want to get quickly to the people

12:15

. I mean , I love reading white papers , but

12:18

I function in the worlds of technicians , installers

12:20

and project managers and estimators . Their time is

12:22

extremely valuable . They're going to say , oh yeah

12:24

, there's a white paper . They're only going to read that white paper if

12:27

somebody forces them to . But they

12:29

will easily consume videos . So

12:32

maybe something you might want to kind of roll in with

12:35

your plans for 2025 is maybe doing

12:37

some shorts or videos

12:40

to help maybe summarize

12:42

a tech paper and say , look , if you want the more details , hey

12:44

, go to the white paper published at

12:47

whatever site .

12:49

Yeah , we're actually . Our marketing

12:51

committee is actually actively on that

12:53

and we're going to be using LinkedIn

12:55

quite extensively , because it's an inexpensive

12:58

and sometimes free platform where you

13:00

can have a 20-second snippet and

13:03

it then can take you to a-fold , 15-fold

13:05

number of viewerships , and

13:16

we've seen that with regards to

13:18

our current publications . We

13:21

get the statistics on what is

13:23

actually being replicated out there

13:25

in the industry and it's becoming

13:28

one of those things that you need

13:30

. Shorter is better . It's just that

13:32

quick little message out there , people

13:34

, it acts as a bit of bait when you're fishing

13:37

and as soon as you hook

13:39

it , you've got them .

13:40

I love that analogy because you're exactly right on . I

13:42

mean , when I first

13:44

started doing the whole podcast thing , the podcast

13:46

is anywhere between 20 minutes and an

13:48

hour , depending on who am I talking to

13:51

and what the subject matter is but

13:53

when I started doing the shorts , I

13:56

tell you that the podcast really took off after

13:58

that . It's

14:01

not because people have just got to the point

14:04

where they don't have attention spans , it's just we

14:06

have so much stuff on our plates . I

14:08

can think of everybody I know in this industry

14:10

wears more than one hat , wears

14:13

more than one hat , and we have very little

14:15

time sometimes , so

14:17

short snippets , like you were just saying on LinkedIn . By

14:20

the way , you don't have to limit to 20 seconds . By the way , I've

14:23

popped up to an hour of video on LinkedIn before

14:25

, but a lot of people

14:27

are not going to watch for the whole entire hour unless it's something that's

14:29

specific . But the shorts are perfect for driving

14:32

them to , like you said , the

14:34

white papers to get more information

14:36

, because you can't put everything all in a short video

14:38

.

14:39

Yeah , I mean one of the things we

14:41

were looking at doing , following our success at

14:43

Bixie , as well as Nika , in terms of the masterclasses

14:46

that we have presented and

14:48

multiple of our , as you say , members presented

14:51

this year in terms of the guide to

14:53

POE , lighting and automation , we

14:56

want to do shorter

14:58

snippets that people can

15:01

actually , instead of attending an eight-hour

15:03

course spread over two days . We

15:09

want to make sure that people can get the main sound bites over a 20-minute

15:11

to 30-minute video , and this can be

15:13

almost one of our sessions , condensed down

15:16

in terms of really just picking up

15:19

the highlights and making sure that people get that message

15:21

.

15:23

Let's shift our conversation to talking about the future of PoE

15:25

standards and innovation . So

15:28

with the advancement of technology

15:30

, it seems like there's always something new and better

15:32

and bigger and faster coming out . Where

15:35

do you see PoE heading in the next five years

15:37

?

15:38

I see it staying within the

15:41

current standard

15:44

which the PoE Consortium has adopted

15:46

to pursue , which is IEEE 802.3

15:50

. There are technologies

15:52

pushing beyond that boundary

15:55

in terms of wattages being supported , but

15:57

we are more aligned

15:59

with utilizing what we've got

16:02

, but also aligning with DC grids

16:04

. Dc grids are going to become

16:06

the way in which buildings

16:09

are going to be designed . There's

16:12

no two ways about that and if people can

16:14

take those to POE

16:16

as well as DC grids , I think

16:18

they're on a

16:20

successful design

16:22

strategy in terms of how they can design

16:25

future-proof buildings

16:27

, the

16:30

scope up to material that

16:32

you can use . You are complying with a

16:34

standard which is really accepted

16:36

and adopted by multiple engineers

16:39

and , as I said , a lot of engineers . If

16:41

they haven't got a standard to fall back on

16:43

, they don't want to specify it . So

16:45

if they've got something that they can adhere

16:48

to in terms of a national

16:50

standard , we believe that is by far

16:52

going to be the most accepted standard moving

16:54

forward .

16:55

Well , you mentioned IEEE , right

16:57

, they're very well known , especially in

16:59

engineering circles . Any

17:02

standards development maybe looking at to

17:04

either create new or

17:06

add to existing to cover PoE

17:09

?

17:09

maybe

17:12

it's

17:15

going to need a lot

17:17

of work and a lot of pushing

17:19

from from our side because there

17:21

, as I said , there

17:24

are people going outside the scope of of IEEE standards currently and

17:27

we we don't necessarily want to go

17:29

there . We we have all built our devices

17:32

, our technology , around the standard

17:34

that that has been accepted , but

17:37

that that doesn't mean that we know we wouldn't form

17:39

alliances with other institutions

17:43

and other bodies the FMP , for argument's

17:45

sake , the fault-managed power side of it . Very

17:47

interesting technology and by far that

17:49

is again going to aid what

17:52

people are doing on DC microgrids in terms

17:54

of how they are designing spaces

17:56

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I'm really anxious to see how that kind of really

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all develops . My

19:02

dad always used to say you know , in

19:04

challenges there's opportunities . And

19:07

I'll tell you , the old man was smarter than I

19:09

ever gave him credit for when he was alive . I

19:11

really wish he was alive today so I could tell him that

19:13

. So you've mentioned some

19:15

of the biggest challenges already with PoE implementation

19:18

and needs to be addressed . How

19:21

can the industries come together to overcome

19:23

these challenges ?

19:25

I think the way in which we can

19:27

actually come together is , firstly

19:30

, have a unified

19:33

front in terms of how we approach this . The

19:36

only way we're going to achieve that is adhering

19:40

to the same design

19:42

ethic . So within the

19:44

POE Consortium , we've actually put a considerable

19:47

amount of money behind this and we're

19:49

actually engaging with independent

19:52

consultants , design consultants

19:55

, and we're coming up with a design library

19:57

whereby we are standardizing symbols

20:00

to be put on drawings , nomenclature

20:02

as to what's going to be used Is it a node

20:04

, is it a driver , is it a hub , is it

20:06

whatever ? Same

20:08

attributes to be

20:11

used in Revit models . Let's

20:14

all align with what needs

20:17

to be included in that , with

20:19

what needs to be included in that

20:21

. If you can give specifiers confidence that they're

20:24

not only looking at a single supplier or a single brand , that they've got

20:26

multiple options in terms of how they can come

20:28

up with a POE solution , I

20:30

think the adoption of it

20:32

will increase tenfold

20:34

, because designers are

20:38

not willing to put their neck out if

20:40

there's a sole source of supply

20:42

. You want to make sure that there are multiple

20:44

people that can actually achieve the design

20:47

intent and ultimately we stand for

20:49

within the peer consortium , we stand

20:52

for deployment of power over Ethernet

20:54

technology and it can be from

20:56

one of many manufacturers , but

20:58

it's coming to a standardization of

21:01

what people are putting forward .

21:03

That's actually smart because if

21:05

you standardize the symbols on prints

21:07

, the first person is going to see that's going to be the estimator

21:09

, the second person is going to see it's the project manager

21:11

, the third person is going to see it is the installer

21:13

, and that's going to drive them to

21:15

ask questions hey , what does this symbol mean ? And

21:18

then , where do I find the information on how to do this

21:21

? Where do I get this certification ? Where

21:26

do I get educated to put in this kind of device ? Because there's a lot of companies out there

21:28

doing low voltage now who are

21:30

looking maybe to expand their roles in

21:32

PUE . And I know last

21:35

year you guys were working on some

21:37

education things

21:39

for designers and end users . How is that moving

21:41

along ?

21:44

The training side of it . We are constantly

21:46

evolving in terms of developing the material

21:48

, but

21:50

, as you know , we're all volunteers

21:53

in this organization and we've all got our

21:55

daytime jobs , as they say . So

21:57

it hasn't been as quick as what

22:00

we all would have liked it to have been . Um

22:02

, I think there's there's a lot of progress

22:04

has been made . I think we can . We've still got a long

22:06

ways to go , but , um , I think

22:09

the design library is going to come and

22:11

it's it's going to be the the

22:14

, the foundations for how we can

22:16

start developing specifications

22:19

with regards to a common

22:21

specification , to say , this is what a

22:23

product should adhere to , without naming

22:25

that particular product . It's more of a performance

22:28

specification , so that devices

22:30

can speak to one another , irrespective

22:33

of what type of device they are . If they're

22:35

all on the same network , they can speak to one another

22:37

, and that comes through open protocols and

22:39

just utilizing PoE as

22:42

a standard . So

22:45

I think we have come a long way and

22:49

, with the help of the Standards Committee that we've got

22:51

, we've still got a long way to go , and

22:53

that's where I'll do my first plug . We're

22:56

constantly looking for new members in

22:59

the PoE Consortium . That was my next

23:01

question . Sorry

23:03

, I read this how would somebody get ?

23:04

involved in a POE Consortium . Good job

23:06

.

23:07

I mean one of the areas where

23:09

we've actually had significant success

23:12

, and I urge everybody to do it . Go

23:14

have a look at our new website , poeconsortiumcom

23:17

or POEConsortium

23:19

it depends which side of the pond you come from . We've

23:22

just relaunched the new POE website

23:25

, the POEConsortium , and

23:28

there's a lot of really good content in

23:31

there , but we're constantly looking

23:33

for more content and we're looking for

23:35

people to join from various aspects , and

23:37

there's a whole membership join

23:39

page on there . Currently three

23:41

levels of membership you can either be a patron member

23:44

or a standard member or an observer , and

23:47

all the benefits of each memory grade

23:49

are defined in the membership

23:52

section . So it's poeconsortiumcom

23:55

forward slash membership .

23:57

I'll have that link in the description below

23:59

, and I probably should ask

24:01

this question right out of the gate . I don't know why I didn't

24:04

just think of it right now , but what

24:06

do you hope to accomplish ? Give

24:08

me maybe one or two specific things you'd like to accomplish

24:10

this year , this tenure

24:12

as being the president .

24:15

I think the most important thing I want

24:17

to do is training , training , training

24:19

. We actually held

24:21

a symposium and I know you were part

24:23

of the installer symposium

24:25

a couple of years ago . This

24:28

past November we held a

24:30

separate symposium in New

24:32

York City . We identified New

24:34

York City because we felt that

24:36

that was the area where we were starting to get a lot

24:38

of pushback for PoE . A lot of the

24:41

big developers , a lot of the big specifiers

24:43

are based in New York City and

24:45

a lot of them were starting to say , well , we don't know

24:47

if we want to go PoE . So

24:49

we pulled everybody together we had end

24:51

users , we had designers , we had

24:53

architects , we had installers and

24:55

we had consultants installers and

24:58

we had consultants Put

25:00

them around the

25:02

table and started to try and thrash

25:05

out what are the main obstacles

25:07

in the deployment of PoE . And we

25:09

came up with a number of great initiatives

25:11

which we're going to be pursuing this year . I'm

25:14

not going to say too much about them because there's going

25:16

to be a lot of information that's going to be coming out and

25:18

it's going to be targeted , identifying

25:21

what people saw as current

25:24

inefficiencies in the overall

25:26

process of deploying PoE . I

25:29

think just one aspect

25:31

of that which I maybe just want to highlight , and

25:34

this was one of the things that when

25:37

PoE , in terms of a

25:39

technology that was spoken about

25:42

, was always well , you'll just have

25:44

one neck to throttle if things go wrong . Unfortunately

25:47

, that hasn't materialized in the POE

25:49

industry because people are still holding on

25:52

to their scope in terms of what they're

25:54

doing and how they're deploying

25:56

it and trades are not speaking to

25:58

one another and how they're deploying it . And trades

26:00

are not speaking to one another

26:02

and you're finding that you land up with , instead

26:05

of the conventional way of maybe three people involved in the installation it would be

26:07

the electrician , the

26:09

GC and the owner Now you've got four or

26:11

five people involved and they're all pointing fingers

26:13

at one another . So one of the exactly

26:16

it's not my problem , it must be somebody else

26:18

, it's not my trade . So

26:21

through our initiatives that we have

26:23

been doing at VIXI and at Nika , we're

26:26

trying to get people to accept

26:29

more responsibility with regards to the deployment

26:31

of these technologies and we have seen

26:34

a massive uptick in that . A

26:36

lot of people , if you had spoken to them three years ago

26:38

, you say POE and they say what they

26:41

didn't understand , what it was about . It's

26:45

now through our education

26:47

every year at Nika and at Big

26:50

C , chipping away trying

26:53

to get the technology information out

26:55

there , we're starting to get people

26:57

that are going to say , well , that's actually

26:59

something I can actually take ownership of and

27:01

I can actually run it from beginning to end

27:04

, and that's what we see as

27:06

one of the big areas where

27:08

we can actually gain acceptance

27:11

of this without things

27:14

falling through the cracks and , ultimately

27:16

, power over Ethernet deployments

27:18

getting a really bad rap .

27:20

So you already mentioned the PoE website . You already

27:22

mentioned the educational things like and ultimately

27:24

, power of Ethernet deployments getting a really bad rap . So you already mentioned the PoE website

27:26

. You already mentioned the educational things like Bixie and Nika and stuff like that . You

27:30

also mentioned the technical papers . What

27:36

suggestion would you have for professionals who want to not just know PoE but they want to

27:38

kind of stay ahead of the learning curve , not just know ?

27:40

PoE but they want to kind of stay ahead of the learning curve . I think there's

27:42

a lot of knowledge within the PoE consortium

27:45

that people are , I wouldn't say , reluctant

27:47

to come forward with , but they haven't come forward

27:49

with yet . So we're trying to engage

27:52

with as many of them as possible to bring

27:54

them onto the various committees so they can share

27:56

their knowledge and

28:00

with that knowledge shared , we can actually start publishing guidelines and even

28:02

if it's merely just a guideline , telling people what

28:05

the future holds , Because I

28:07

can tell you now , if you

28:09

ask 20 people in the POE consortium independently

28:11

, currently you may well get 15 different

28:13

answers and we want to make sure

28:16

that everybody is singing off the

28:18

same sheet in terms of giving the

28:20

right information for what we

28:22

know at this stage in terms of technology

28:24

.

28:26

Yeah , the POE falls under the same umbrella

28:28

. We work in the communications industry . It doesn't mean

28:31

we communicate .

28:33

We're not good at that .

28:34

We're not good at that .

28:37

So if somebody wants to learn more , they just go to the POE Consortium

28:40

website , which will be in the description below

28:42

, and , david , I look forward to

28:44

seeing the impact that

28:47

you'll bring to the POE Consortium for 2025

28:49

, my friend .

28:51

Thank you . I mean I think it's a continuation

28:53

and with the great board I've got in place

28:55

now we've really encouraged

28:58

them to reach

29:00

out to their if

29:03

you can put it in old terms Rolodex of contacts

29:06

and see how many of their

29:08

customers actually want to join the PoE Consortium

29:10

. I know I have and I've actually gained two

29:12

or three members to the consortium through people that

29:14

may not have thought this isn't

29:17

an organization I'd like to belong , to Talk

29:20

to them about it , get them familiar with

29:22

the technology and say do you want to be part of this

29:24

or do you want to be left on the sideline ? And most

29:26

people want to be part of it because five

29:28

to ten years' time everything's going to be desync

29:31

, microgrids and it's going to be power over Ethernet

29:33

.

29:35

I couldn't close that out better than that . I

29:37

appreciate you coming on today , David .

29:39

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