0:00

It defies belief that someone

0:02

like Sean Christian Price was

0:04

released on a corrections order

0:06

to live in the community

0:08

because he was clearly a

0:10

very dangerous, diluted and to

0:12

some extent deranged individual. They

0:14

burnt the boat to the

0:17

waterline and they lived there

0:19

in a state of nature.

0:21

Now state of nature is

0:23

not a great thing because

0:25

people do very bad things

0:27

to each other. I'm Andrew

0:29

Rule, this is Life and

0:31

Crimes. One of the worst

0:34

crimes that I've covered since

0:36

my time back here at

0:38

the Herald's son in Melbourne

0:40

is the murder of a

0:42

17-year-old school girl called Marsha

0:45

Bukitish. Marsha lived with her

0:47

parents in Doncaster, which is

0:49

the leafy eastern suburbs, good

0:51

solid middle-class suburb where people

0:53

work hard and do the

0:56

best they can. And Marsha

0:58

was a... good student at

1:00

secondary school. She worked hard, she

1:02

had a lot of friends, she

1:04

was keen to become a lawyer

1:06

and was studying very hard, but

1:08

each night after dinner, an early

1:10

dinner, she would go for a walk

1:12

because she, like fitness and stuff

1:15

like that, so she would walk

1:17

from her parents' house across, I

1:19

think I saw my footbridge, into

1:21

what is called the Koonung Linear

1:24

Park, which is a park full of

1:26

gum trees and things that... runs

1:28

down a bit of a valley

1:30

out there at Doncaster. And on

1:33

St Patrick's Day, 2015, that's

1:35

March the 17th, Marsha goes

1:38

walking after dinner as

1:40

usual and doesn't come

1:42

home. What happened that

1:44

night was that she

1:46

was basically storked, ambushed,

1:48

grabbed by a complete

1:50

loose cannon, a very dangerous

1:53

young man called Sean

1:55

Christian Price. Today we're going

1:57

to talk mostly about Sean Christian

1:59

Price. and how his

2:01

life story converged with Marsha's

2:03

and destroyed Marsha and therefore

2:06

to some extent destroyed her

2:08

family because I don't think

2:10

they would ever really get

2:12

over losing their beautiful kind

2:14

and loving 17-year-old daughter and

2:16

sister. Sean Christian Price was

2:19

a very different kettle of

2:21

fish. Ten years after that

2:23

murder he is in a

2:25

high security unit. in Victoria's

2:27

high security prison, which is

2:29

bar one down there, Jalong,

2:31

or out of Jalong, towards

2:34

Bacchus Marsh. And there he

2:36

is kept under lock and

2:38

key most of the time.

2:40

When I say lock and

2:42

key, I mean even internally,

2:44

the people that handle him,

2:47

the prison officers and the

2:49

authorities, who give the orders,

2:51

they have a pretty good

2:53

idea of who in their

2:55

particular... concrete zoo and they

2:57

know or they think that

3:00

Sean Christian Price is a

3:02

very dangerous man and probably

3:04

always will be while he

3:06

is strong and fit enough

3:08

to be so because he

3:10

is volatile he's unpredictable and

3:12

when he goes off he's

3:15

very very violent he's also

3:17

as if somebody said to

3:19

me he's mad he's bad

3:21

but he's not stupid and

3:23

that makes him probably more

3:25

dangerous because he can sit

3:28

and wait. He can think.

3:30

Most of the time the

3:32

prison authorities keep Sean Christian

3:34

Price separated from fellow inmates.

3:36

They detect underneath this sort

3:38

of calm exterior and his

3:40

attachment to routine that he

3:43

can never be completely trusted.

3:45

He's now 41 years old.

3:47

He faces another 30 years.

3:49

before being eligible for parole.

3:51

In fact, following this murder,

3:53

he was sentenced to 38

3:56

years minimum plus another three

3:58

years for a rape that

4:00

he committed two days after

4:02

the murder. It's a most

4:04

horrible thing what he did.

4:06

It seems that Sean Price

4:09

chose Marsha at random. After

4:11

Chris crossing Melbourne suburbs looking

4:13

for a victim, but his

4:15

attack was premeditated. but he

4:17

didn't know who it was

4:19

that he was going to

4:21

attack and murder until he

4:24

saw Marsha. He saw her

4:26

and thought she's the one.

4:28

I'm going to kill her.

4:30

What it was about her

4:32

that fitted the bill, I

4:34

don't know, but probably the

4:37

fact that she was vulnerable.

4:39

She had earbuds in, which

4:41

meant she couldn't hear people

4:43

walk up behind her, which

4:45

is instructive if you are

4:47

walking around in the early

4:49

evening. through Bush and Parks

4:52

and things where there are

4:54

not other people, no company

4:56

and the light's not great.

4:58

Probably listing to music or

5:00

to podcasts such as this

5:02

is not the best idea

5:05

because other people can walk

5:07

up behind you and you

5:09

don't know they're there, which

5:11

is a point worth pondering.

5:13

The other thing was she

5:15

was in this park, surrounded

5:18

by Bush, she was able

5:20

to hide behind a tree,

5:22

jump out and grab her.

5:24

And so it was really

5:26

a matter of... opportunity. He's

5:28

an opportunist. I don't really

5:30

think that there was anything

5:33

about her that triggered him

5:35

any more than if it

5:37

had been any one of

5:39

50 other young women or

5:41

perhaps any women. The police

5:43

were able to piece together

5:46

his movements and his moods

5:48

even beforehand which showed that

5:50

he'd been building up to

5:52

this motivless murder for weeks

5:54

at least. growing agitation and

5:56

growing menace showed up in

5:58

all sorts of ways, one.

6:01

you would think was in

6:03

his choice of reading matter.

6:05

He was a guy that

6:07

read quite a lot and

6:09

in the weeks before the

6:11

murder he'd borrowed books from

6:14

Brimbank Library out in the

6:16

western suburbs where he was

6:18

then living that reflected not

6:20

only his ghoulish interests but

6:22

showed an increasingly dark and

6:24

disturbed state of mind. Price

6:27

was reading about the serial

6:29

killer Ivan Millett. There's a

6:31

very dark and gripping book

6:33

about Ivan Malak called The

6:35

Sims of the Brother, written

6:37

by Les Kennedy and a

6:39

very fine writer called Mark

6:42

Whittaker, which may well be

6:44

the one that he was

6:46

reading. And he also read

6:48

about a crazed Swede, a

6:50

man who called himself Thomas

6:52

Quick, who was convicted a

6:55

couple of decades ago of

6:57

multiple killings, but was then

6:59

retried... and acquitted after revealing

7:01

that he'd made dozens of

7:03

false submissions. This Thomas Quick

7:05

case is quite a cause

7:07

celebrity in Scandinavia and to

7:10

some extent in Britain because

7:12

this man Quick had made

7:14

false admissions about killing children

7:16

all over Scandinavia and although

7:18

there was not one shred

7:20

of actual physical smoking gun

7:23

evidence DNA blood type nothing

7:25

to connect him to any

7:27

of these murders he was

7:29

convicted of something like seven

7:31

or eight of them out

7:33

of 30 which was very

7:36

embarrassing for all concerned when

7:38

he said no I made

7:40

all that up I want

7:42

to be retried and they

7:44

granted him a retrial and

7:46

a very good lawyer proved

7:48

to the court that there

7:51

wasn't one shred of real

7:53

evidence to connect this poor

7:55

mad guy with those murders.

7:57

That is a cautionary tale

7:59

for all judges, juries and

8:01

detectives. to get back to

8:04

Sean Price. It looked as

8:06

if he was preparing for

8:08

what was ahead when he

8:10

got up before dawn on

8:12

that Monday morning of March

8:14

the 17th, 2015. Price was

8:16

living in public housing in

8:19

Elbien. Elbien's one of those

8:21

little suburbs that you don't

8:23

know is there unless you

8:25

live next door. It's like

8:27

Dallas, out broad meadows or

8:29

one of those subsets of

8:32

a bigger suburb and Elbien's.

8:34

not far from some organs,

8:36

not far from sunshine, and

8:38

not that far from, you

8:40

know, out of Footscray, but

8:42

it has its own little

8:45

shopping centre or whatever, and

8:47

it's a pretty, or was

8:49

then a reasonably low-rent sort

8:51

of district, and there were

8:53

blocks of flats there that

8:55

were probably getting towards the

8:57

end of their useful life,

9:00

and those blocks of flats

9:02

were cheap for the government

9:04

to rent, and one of

9:06

those blocks I think was

9:08

used to some extent as

9:10

a bit of a halfway

9:13

house for people like Sean

9:15

Price that had been let

9:17

out of prison on you

9:19

know various things bail parole

9:21

and I think corrections orders

9:23

so that they would be

9:25

let out on the basis

9:28

that they reported in daily

9:30

or weekly or whatever it

9:32

is to the local corrections

9:34

office and it was one

9:36

way to lessen the burden

9:38

of providing prison beds, but

9:41

to have at least some

9:43

vague control over prisoners who

9:45

probably many of them should

9:47

have been in prison. It

9:49

defies belief that someone like

9:51

Sean Christian Price was released

9:54

on a corrections order to

9:56

live in the community because

9:58

he was clearly a very

10:00

dangerous, deluded, deluded. and to

10:02

some extent arranged individual. Now,

10:04

Sean Christian Price had a

10:06

background which was explored a

10:09

little when he was charged

10:11

with the murder. His background

10:13

is very dark and very

10:15

bad. He'd been the victim

10:17

of systematic child abuse as

10:19

a little kid. He'd grown

10:22

up in very dire circumstances

10:24

where various relatives and family

10:26

members were Alcoholics were drug

10:28

addicts, were sex offenders and

10:30

all of the above affected

10:32

the way that little Sean

10:34

Christian Price was brought up

10:37

because he was abused. Some

10:39

of the major adults in

10:41

his family were drug takers.

10:43

They were criminals of various

10:45

levels. They were violent. None

10:47

of this was good for

10:50

him both by example, a

10:52

very bad example, and mainly

10:54

because it greatly affected him

10:56

because he was abused and

10:58

it affected the way his

11:00

mind developed naturally enough. And

11:03

so he grew into a

11:05

rather tall, lean, pretty good

11:07

looking sort of a young

11:09

man, but an extremely disturbed

11:11

one. and very dangerous. And

11:13

by the age of his

11:15

high teens, when Tommy's 18,

11:18

1920, he was a very

11:20

violent sex offender. He would

11:22

ask someone for directions out

11:24

in the suburbs. You know,

11:26

do you know how to

11:28

show me where to go

11:31

to Smith Street, whatever it

11:33

might be? And having made

11:35

that connection, he would follow

11:37

that person, probably someone that

11:39

he, you know, he picked

11:41

out at a railway station

11:43

or a bus station or

11:46

whatever, he would follow them

11:48

home and then attack them,

11:50

and then attack them. meant

11:52

that he had attacked and

11:54

sexually assaulted various people and

11:56

he went inside for these

11:59

very serious crimes. and was

12:01

locked up. Then, for whatever

12:03

reason, he ended up outside

12:05

the prison system and inside

12:07

the Thomas Embling Institution for

12:09

people with dangerous mental illness.

12:11

Basically what was once called

12:13

the criminally insane. Back in

12:15

the old, old days, there

12:17

was a ward at Ararat,

12:19

I think it was, that

12:21

was for the criminally insane.

12:23

In more modern times, we

12:25

have the Thomas Embling facility.

12:27

Now back in the early

12:29

2000s, in fact in 2006,

12:31

this Sean Christian Price

12:34

hit the headlines very

12:36

briefly because he was

12:38

the inmate at the Thomas

12:40

Embling who punched the then

12:42

health minister Tony Abbott.

12:45

Tony Abbott was doing a routine

12:47

visit at this place to have

12:50

a look at it and this

12:52

guy Price launched himself at

12:54

the health minister and

12:56

punched him. covered in the

12:59

media at the time of

13:01

course but we've instantly forgot

13:03

who'd done it because he

13:05

was sort of a no-name

13:07

lunatic and by and large

13:09

Sean Price found his way

13:11

in and out of institutions

13:13

after that date you know

13:15

from 2003-2006 all the way

13:17

along until in 2014 or

13:19

thereabouts he is turned loose

13:21

on the street in effect

13:23

because they let him to

13:25

this corrections order while living

13:27

in a flat in Elbien near

13:29

sunshine in the western suburbs

13:31

of Melbourne and that decision

13:34

to let him do that

13:36

is what led him to have

13:38

the freedom of movement

13:40

to do what he did and what

13:42

he did was basically make

13:44

a plan to kill an innocent

13:47

young woman and he did he

13:49

stalked and killed Marsha

13:51

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13:54

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13:56

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14:29

murder, a little like the murder

14:32

of dual mar, about two and

14:34

a half years earlier, enraged and

14:36

angered a lot of people

14:38

in Victoria. They felt that

14:41

it was very similar to the

14:43

dual mar case. In some ways

14:45

it was, and the public

14:47

at large or segments of

14:49

the public saw it as

14:51

further proof that women could

14:54

not walk around safely at

14:56

night or any other time.

14:58

without fear of being attacked,

15:00

which was true. Although, to

15:02

be fair to everyone else,

15:04

Sean Price was not an

15:07

example of a hostile husband

15:09

or a jealous boyfriend, he

15:11

was in fact a very

15:14

dangerous lunatic. He's a man

15:16

with mental problems. He was

15:19

criminally insane in many ways.

15:21

And it's not a lot

15:23

of points to be scored

15:26

about... somebody like him except

15:28

to say this that when you

15:30

get someone like him they really

15:32

need to be locked up just

15:34

as a dog with rabies needs

15:37

to be locked up because they're

15:39

just too dangerous to be around

15:41

the rest of us. As a Supreme

15:43

Court judge pointed out subsequently

15:45

the judge in the murder

15:47

case Lex Lasery actually was

15:50

very vocal about the fact

15:52

that someone like Price had

15:54

been turned loose and said

15:56

it was a very bad thing

15:58

to have happened. which was true,

16:01

and of course, hindsight is a

16:03

wonderful thing. So what is it

16:05

that creates someone like this Sean

16:08

Christian Price? Is it nature or

16:10

nurture? Well, we've already alluded to

16:12

his background, but there's a

16:15

deeper darker background to Sean

16:17

Price. His middle name, Christian,

16:19

it's there for a reason. This

16:21

was raised in one of

16:23

his court appearances by his

16:25

defense counsel. Defense counsel that

16:27

he sacked. during his murder

16:30

trial because his defense, funnily

16:32

enough, and this is a

16:34

very fine defense counsel called

16:36

Mandy Fox who has since

16:38

become a judge, so clearly

16:40

a very good lawyer, Mandy

16:42

Fox attempted to put a

16:44

defense case for her client

16:46

by pointing out to the

16:48

court that his upbringing had been

16:51

deplorable, that he was the product

16:53

of child abuse and so

16:55

on. who'd been very uninterested

16:57

in the proceedings before this,

16:59

had sometimes ranted and raved

17:01

and used swear words, and

17:03

sometimes used obscene gestures in

17:06

court, etc. He suddenly became

17:08

very animated and interested in

17:10

his own defence counsel, and

17:12

he sacked her, said, I

17:14

don't want you to defend

17:16

me anymore. And it would seem

17:18

that he did not want the

17:20

full circumstances of his childhood

17:23

and childhood abuse aiding court.

17:25

because it was so grievous. Now,

17:27

do we know that for a fact? No,

17:29

we don't. But he did object

17:32

to it. He sacked his lawyer

17:34

and he made an attempt of

17:36

defending himself without raising any of

17:38

that sort of material. And

17:40

in fact, what he did was,

17:43

he got up and said, I

17:45

don't want any sympathy, I don't

17:47

want any special concessions, I did

17:49

it, and I deserve to be

17:51

punished all words that effect. Basically

17:53

as a way to avoid... that material

17:56

being aired in

17:58

public. Now, that... is an

18:00

insight into the workings

18:03

of the mind of the child

18:05

that became the man.

18:07

Shorm Christian Price

18:09

was descended from

18:11

Fletcher Christian. Fletcher

18:14

Christian was of course

18:16

the most famous of

18:19

the mutineers from the

18:21

bounty, the ship on which

18:23

there was a mutiny against

18:25

Captain Bly back in... the

18:28

late 1780s, I do believe.

18:30

Something like that. And Fletcher

18:32

Christian was a first mate's

18:35

mate or something. He had

18:37

some sort of rank in

18:39

the hierarchy on the ship.

18:41

And he was the de

18:43

facto leader of the mutineers.

18:46

They saw Bly as a

18:48

tyrannical captain, etc. etc. and

18:50

what the mutineers did was

18:52

play supply and other senior

18:55

officers. such as, you know,

18:57

ship's surgeon and so on,

18:59

in a glorified rowing boat,

19:01

you know, they had a,

19:04

I think like a lifeboat

19:06

or a whaling boat, as

19:08

they called them, with some

19:10

oars and a bucket of

19:12

water and not much else,

19:15

some bread or something, and

19:17

set them afloat on the

19:19

ocean, on the Pacific, I

19:21

think, as a navigator, Those

19:23

abandoned seamen actually got their

19:25

way to safety, which was

19:28

one of the great survival

19:30

stories of all time. Meanwhile,

19:32

the mutineers, what they did,

19:34

was not so good, they

19:36

took the boat, the bounty,

19:38

and they went to Tahiti,

19:40

I do believe, and they

19:43

kidnapped and abducted six Tahitian

19:45

men and 18 Tahitian women.

19:47

And you can see where this

19:50

is going. They enslaved those

19:52

Tahitians. by and large got

19:54

them on board and they

19:56

headed off into the ocean

19:59

towards an inhabited island

20:01

that they knew of a tiny

20:03

island called Pitcan, Pitcan Island and

20:05

they got there, they unloaded the

20:07

boat of all the goods they

20:09

could and the timbers and the

20:12

tools and all the rest of

20:14

it, bolts of cloth canvas. Anything

20:16

useful. And of course the stores, you

20:18

know, salt pork and all the rest

20:20

of the stuff they had. And then

20:22

they burnt the ship and they burnt

20:25

the ship because they knew that the

20:27

British Navy... would send battleships

20:29

after them and that the

20:31

battleships would eventually see the bounty

20:34

moored at Pitcan and come in

20:36

and take them all and hang

20:38

them no doubt for mutiny and

20:40

so they burnt the boat to

20:42

the waterline and they live there in

20:45

a state of nature. Now state of

20:47

nature is not a great thing because

20:49

people do very bad things to each

20:52

other. Now these eight mutineers and the

20:54

captives that is 18 women

20:56

and half a dozen Tahitian men.

20:58

They arrived on Pekkine in

21:00

1790. Now by the time

21:03

an American whaling ship visited

21:05

the island in 1808, that's

21:07

18 years later, almost a

21:09

generation, all but one of

21:11

the eight mutineers, including Fletcher

21:14

Christian, had been killed in

21:16

fights with each other and

21:18

with the Tahitians. By then,

21:20

the enslaved women had given

21:23

birth to the first

21:25

generation. of Pitcan Islanders.

21:27

This included Fletcher Christian's

21:30

son, Thursday October Christian.

21:32

We know when he was born, he

21:35

was born on a Thursday in

21:37

October, which he, probably

21:39

1791, not sure. Thursday

21:41

October Christians, many descendants

21:44

are among the few

21:46

hundred pit kernels, as they

21:48

call them, pit kernels, who

21:51

survive on Pitcan and on

21:53

Norfolk Island. and scattered

21:55

around New Zealand and

21:57

Australia. These Pitcan Islanders.

21:59

have spread over the years.

22:01

They not only went to Norfolk

22:04

Island, which is well known

22:06

in about 1850, because Pit

22:08

Kem was overcrowded, they also

22:10

over time have spread to

22:12

Auckland, in New Zealand, and

22:14

to parts of Australia, Melbourne

22:16

and Sydney, where they do all

22:18

sorts of things. Some of them heavily

22:20

involved in shady operations,

22:23

particularly prostitution, as

22:25

it turns out. The

22:27

creepy combination of criminal

22:30

and cannibal trapped on

22:32

an island bred a closed society

22:34

where child sex abuse was

22:36

rife and it was accepted under

22:39

this casual excuse of it's

22:41

the Polynesian way. Now supporters

22:44

of that sort of attitude

22:46

included, can you believe this,

22:48

the millionaire author Colleen McCulloch? Now

22:51

some listeners will recall her as

22:53

the author of the Thornbirds. which

22:55

was made into a big film.

22:57

It sold millions of books. It

22:59

was made into a very big

23:01

film with, I think Brian Brown

23:03

is the handsome priest and somebody

23:05

else and somebody else. It was

23:07

a very big film around the

23:09

place and off the back of

23:11

it more books were sold. And

23:13

it made Colin McCulloch quite

23:15

a wealthy and fairly famous

23:17

author. Colleen in her wisdom

23:19

went out and lived on

23:21

Norfolk Island, thinking it was

23:23

a good place and she

23:26

married... a pit corner and

23:28

she was once quoted as

23:30

saying by reporter, as quoted

23:32

in print, as saying, quote,

23:34

it's Polynesian, it's a Polynesian

23:36

way to break your girls

23:38

in at 12. In other

23:40

words, she was promoting basically

23:42

child rape really. The truth

23:44

of this lifestyle, if that's

23:46

the right word, of

23:48

this entrenched abuse was exposed

23:51

in the year 2000. when

23:53

British police arrived to investigate

23:55

the rape of a teenage

23:58

girl on Pitgen Island. Pitkenny's

24:00

sort of a British dominion or

24:02

protectorate of words to that effect.

24:05

The British police spoke to dozens

24:07

of women, some on the island

24:09

and some who had fled from

24:11

it, and they uncovered a network

24:14

of interwoven mays of sex abuse

24:16

that went back, I'd say, eight

24:18

generations. Each victim was related

24:20

to the men being charged

24:22

with similar offences against other

24:25

young girls. Husbands, brothers, fathers,

24:27

uncles, uncles, and cousins. were

24:29

part of systematic abuse that

24:31

had been a way of

24:33

life on Pitcan and most

24:35

likely also on Norfolk Island

24:38

where so many of them

24:40

had moved back in the

24:42

mid-1850s. Some defended, some actually

24:44

defended this tradition of

24:47

underage sex, others were

24:49

ashamed. Almost every man

24:51

on Pitcan was investigated

24:53

and six were eventually

24:56

convicted of 35 charges.

24:58

in 2004 after trials that

25:00

attracted international attention.

25:03

An English journalist, Kathy

25:06

Marx, and I spoke to this

25:08

one, she's very good, she lived

25:10

on the island to cover the

25:13

trials and later wrote a book

25:15

called Lost Paradise. Good

25:17

title. Kathy Marx believed

25:19

the convictions were the

25:21

tip of the iceberg

25:24

of depraved practices that

25:26

affected these pit Kerner claims,

25:28

even when they moved to

25:31

mainland communities. And

25:33

this is where we're

25:35

getting closer to

25:37

Sean Christian Price. None

25:40

of this excuses Sean

25:42

Price's evil acts, but

25:45

it might explain the

25:47

forces that shaped him,

25:50

whether before his birth

25:52

or after it. Hi,

25:54

it's Gary Jublin here. Do you want

25:57

a real and raw look inside the

25:59

world of crime? Well then check out

26:01

my podcast, I Catch Killers, where I

26:03

interview people from all sides of the

26:05

law. I draw my firearm and I

26:08

went in to fight mode. I wanted

26:10

to find and confront this government. I'm

26:12

not getting verbal demo. I shouldn't have

26:14

trusted you. See, I'm trying to open

26:17

my mind up to defense. I know,

26:19

it's just begging to be said. Fair

26:21

call. Fair call. We have amazing guests

26:23

every week. Search for I Catch Killers,

26:26

wherever you get your podcast. What

26:28

it doesn't explain is

26:31

why the parole board would

26:33

release someone so

26:35

dangerous against the

26:38

wishes of a judge. It seemed

26:40

a random thing to do,

26:42

like the toss of a coin.

26:44

Heads he stays in. Tails

26:47

he goes out. When Sean

26:49

Price won the toss and

26:51

was let out, Marsha

26:53

Vukotich lost. She

26:56

lost her life. Thomas Quick,

26:58

the Swedish lunatic murderer

27:00

or non-murdera, who made

27:02

a string of false confessions

27:05

in the 1990s, Price is

27:07

absolutely guilty beyond any

27:09

doubt. But something that

27:11

Thomas Quick's tough old

27:13

defense lawyer told a

27:15

reporter rings true. I just found

27:18

this quote recently and

27:20

it struck me as true about

27:22

this case and about many

27:24

others. This old lawyer said... I

27:27

don't like people that much in

27:29

general, but if you spend

27:31

so much time with a

27:33

client, you see the person behind

27:36

the headlines. It all starts

27:38

with a little boy under a

27:40

Christmas tree, playing with toys,

27:42

and it ends up very

27:45

tragic. Somewhere along the

27:47

line, everyone's a victim.

27:49

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