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through VW Credit. 25. Hello,

2:06

everyone. Hi, friends. Welcome back to

2:09

Barb Knowes Best, the podcast. It

2:11

is, as always, me, Michelle, your

2:13

co-host, and I'm sitting here, as

2:15

always, with my mother, Barb, and

2:17

we're so excited to be chatting

2:19

with you all again this week

2:21

about life's most interesting and meaningful

2:24

topics. And it is the season

2:26

of love. So we're so excited

2:28

to chat with you all about

2:30

love. And I love you, Mom.

2:32

Hello. Hi Michelle, I love you

2:34

too. And we absolutely love our

2:36

community here, so it is exciting

2:39

to sit and talk about love

2:41

and give some of the

2:43

interesting insights that we've been

2:45

talking about lately this week.

2:47

Yeah, so no surprise. We are

2:49

in the season of Valentine's Day,

2:52

which I think is pretty worldwide

2:54

at this point. I mean, I

2:56

don't know. It's a US thing,

2:58

a US commercial holiday, but you

3:00

know, the... the energy in

3:02

the aura of Valentine's Day really

3:04

seems to permeate. You know, I've

3:06

been seeing ads for all

3:09

of like the restaurants

3:11

with their special Valentine's

3:13

Day like treats and

3:15

specials and special Valentine's

3:17

Day and special Valentine's

3:19

Day like everything. And

3:21

it's fun. Like I'm I think I'm

3:23

at the age now where I can

3:25

see all of that and find

3:28

acute or just, you know, happy

3:30

little. tiny joys that we talk

3:32

about so often. But there was

3:34

a huge, huge part of my life

3:36

where I would allow the feelings of

3:38

a holiday like Valentine's

3:41

Day if I didn't feel like

3:43

I had a Valentine or have

3:45

a romantic relationship or partner or

3:47

date or something like that to

3:49

really really get to me. And

3:51

I think that that is something

3:53

that happens for all of us.

3:55

And so you and I mom

3:58

have been talking a ton of

4:00

time. personally about relationships we've shared

4:02

a bit you know since you are

4:04

on the heels of your divorce a

4:06

few years ago and just what it's

4:09

like for you to process relationships the

4:11

pressures that you and I both feel

4:13

from the external world about being in

4:16

a relationship and maybe even the judgments

4:18

that we feel about not being in

4:20

relationships at this time and so I

4:23

think there's a lot of layers about

4:25

Relationships. How many times can I say

4:27

relationship in a minutes ban? And so

4:30

we wanted to chat about this, chat

4:32

about our feelings, chat about our experiences,

4:34

and just what, how we're taking on

4:36

this topic for ourselves personally, how it's

4:39

been working for us and how we

4:41

think it could be helpful for some

4:43

of you if you're feeling any of

4:46

these feelings or going through any of

4:48

these things at this time. I love

4:50

this Michelle in the hopes, you know,

4:53

our conversation today. The desire is to

4:55

pause for a second because I have

4:57

such a deep desire is to normalize

5:00

the idea of Love but also to

5:02

normalize the feelings of love That if

5:04

Valentine's Day is a day of love

5:07

It's not necessarily a day of romantic

5:09

partnerships or marriage. Only romantic love. Yeah,

5:11

it can be that, but I think

5:14

it's more inclusive than that. And I

5:16

think that's why I'm excited about this

5:18

topic today. We can talk about all

5:21

of the ways that we can celebrate

5:23

a day of love in the best

5:25

way that we possibly can in how

5:28

we're feeling and what's happening in our

5:30

own life and being truly authentic. How

5:32

can we actually be really authentic and

5:35

enjoy? The idea of spending a day,

5:37

you know, I believe that love permeates

5:39

from the inside out and that, you

5:41

know, love is our nature, you know,

5:44

our natural state is our true nature.

5:46

And so how can we actually just

5:48

kind of look at Valentine's Day as,

5:51

oh, let me just experience, as you

5:53

always talk, Michelle, about tiny joys, the

5:55

tiny joy of love from the inside

5:58

out. and not necessarily, and it doesn't

6:00

have to be this way, connected to

6:02

a romantic partnership. Because as you said,

6:05

I am divorced, you're not in a

6:07

romantic relationship at this moment, and so

6:09

it's- Yeah, that I know of, yeah,

6:12

just kidding. Maybe this will be the

6:14

news that she's gonna break to all

6:16

of you. Yeah, so it's, you know,

6:19

and you're right, if it's only focused

6:21

on that. People that aren't in a

6:23

romantic relationship right now are not having

6:26

a partner are going to feel like

6:28

they're missing out or are going to

6:30

feel left out or are going to

6:33

feel depressed or feel like there's something

6:35

wrong with you because you're not. And

6:37

I love today that we're going to

6:40

reframe that because I don't think that

6:42

that's true. society and all of the

6:44

culture around us and all of that

6:46

surrounding this day, tries to tell us

6:49

that that is the truth of it.

6:51

You need to be given a bouquet

6:53

of flowers and a card and taken

6:56

out to dinner, maybe with candlelight and

6:58

all of those kind of things, but

7:00

it can be so much more and

7:03

so much more authentic if that's what's

7:05

happening in your life, and certainly you

7:07

and I have talked about this, as

7:10

you said, quite a bit. And I

7:12

really love this quote from Carl Young,

7:14

we were talking about this as well,

7:17

because he says the privilege of a

7:19

lifetime is to become who you truly

7:21

are. And so for me how that

7:24

relates to Valentine's Day is that how

7:26

can I actually be in that moment

7:28

of the day of love? Because I

7:31

believe, as I said, that we are

7:33

truly love. So how can I actually

7:35

be in that moment? How can I

7:38

feel the love of nature? How can

7:40

I feel the love or the joy

7:42

of watching a grandfather walk his little

7:45

grandson on the beach? Or any of

7:47

those things, just actually just feeling and

7:49

celebrating love in no specific form. And

7:51

I know that for me, the idea

7:54

of taking form out of things sometimes

7:56

makes me feel spacious, makes me feel

7:58

more inclusive, makes me feel more included.

8:01

in life and in nature. And it

8:03

also makes me feel more authentic. That's

8:05

really interesting. I like how you said

8:08

that taking the form away from it

8:10

creates space and probably lets you feel

8:12

free, which is what you're all about

8:15

these days. I am all about freedom.

8:17

From the inside out, it doesn't necessarily

8:19

mean we're, you know, we live in

8:22

the United States and many of you

8:24

listening live in countries that are free.

8:26

Some not, but many are. And you're

8:29

right, the true freedom of life is

8:31

from the inside out. So thank you

8:33

for acknowledging that. That's how I feel.

8:36

And I like to, before we hit

8:38

record just now in our conversation, the

8:40

two of us, even just the simple

8:43

conversation of talking about love and like,

8:45

what is love? And I feel like

8:47

I just sounded like a. Like

8:51

a parody of myself like what

8:53

is I don't know I had

8:55

a joke in my own brain,

8:57

but it's We talk about love

8:59

you know we say love I

9:01

love you you love me We

9:03

have grand ideas or desires for

9:05

love for partnership for feeling seen

9:07

But I think you're really on

9:09

to something mom with this concept

9:11

of like the love that you

9:13

can emanate for yourself and within

9:15

yourself to the world around you

9:17

Having no form having no labels

9:19

and just the feeling of it

9:21

the emotion of it and like

9:24

you know as John Mayer said

9:26

like love is a verb. I

9:28

love that song I love it

9:30

too. I love it too. I

9:32

mean think about that love is

9:34

a verb. It's an action and

9:36

a feeling. Yeah, it's like Like

9:38

it's a moving Love is the

9:40

actions that you do, but the

9:42

actions that you do infused with

9:44

love. And you're being infused with

9:46

love, but love being infused in

9:48

everything that you do. Wow. Yeah,

9:50

that's good. Anyways, so I'm really,

9:52

I'm interested in this diving into

9:54

this aspect. of love because so

9:57

often so many of us myself

9:59

included can feel excluded from from

10:01

love if you're not ticking the

10:03

boxes of what other people are

10:05

having or what you think you

10:07

should have especially when holidays like

10:09

Valentine's Day or even Christmas New

10:11

Year's any you know commercialized holiday

10:13

if you if you feel like

10:15

your life doesn't match up to

10:17

what you see on screens or

10:19

other people in your life have

10:21

or just what society has made

10:23

us think is what's quote-unquote normal

10:25

feelings or eyes uncomfortable feelings or

10:28

eyes less than lack self-doubt chipping

10:30

away at our own self-worth and

10:32

it's just not necessary because in

10:34

this instance there is so much

10:36

love that still exists outside of

10:38

that one pocket of romantic love

10:40

and you know in the spirit

10:42

of Valentine's Day. And so I

10:44

would love for you mom to

10:46

share more about your thoughts about

10:48

just love in general, living with

10:50

love, that quote that you said

10:52

from Carl Young, the privilege of

10:54

a lifetime is to become who

10:56

you truly are, which to me

10:58

I take that is like the

11:01

epitome of self-love. and self-care and

11:03

awareness of yourself to become who

11:05

you truly are. And so can

11:07

you talk a little bit about

11:09

that, and even as like that

11:11

beginning of the pathway too, which

11:13

we're going to dive into in

11:15

this conversation, attracting relationships, bringing other

11:17

people into your life that can

11:19

build upon that rather than be

11:21

the foundation for it? I would

11:23

love to. Thank you for the

11:25

invitation. As I look back, you

11:27

hit on so much of it

11:29

being societal. So many rules, so

11:31

many regulations, so many ideas about

11:34

what love is or what relationships

11:36

are or what everything is supposed

11:38

to. to look like. You know

11:40

we are constantly bar-barded with that

11:42

and I think for me what

11:44

happened as a little girl for

11:46

sure you know seeing you know

11:48

all the princess movies and all

11:50

the happily ever afters and all

11:52

of that but even fast-forwarding way

11:54

into my you know probably mid

11:56

to late 20s watching maybe a

11:58

little later I can't remember what

12:00

year it was but watching the

12:02

Jerry McGuire movie I was I

12:04

don't even remember. Live for that.

12:07

So, yeah, so had to, oh

12:09

you're right, so I had to

12:11

be maybe my 40s. Anyway, when

12:13

she says that. I do, fun

12:15

fact, I do remember, we were

12:17

on a vacation I think when

12:19

that movie came out and it

12:21

was so popular. Oh yeah. But

12:23

I was still young and I

12:25

think you guys wanted to watch

12:27

it, but you had reservations because

12:29

I think it was rated R

12:31

and there might have been some

12:33

scenes that were, you know, inappropriate

12:35

for me at that age. And

12:37

so I feel like you let

12:40

me come watch parts of it

12:42

or something. Like I was very

12:44

in and out of watching it

12:46

with you guys and I just

12:48

I have that vivid memory of

12:50

being on this trip and watching

12:52

it but then of course continue.

12:54

Well I think that line in

12:56

the elevator I think it was

12:58

where where he says you complete

13:00

me. which is like the famous

13:02

which is the famous line everyone

13:04

talks about it and finds that

13:06

to be so romantic yes I

13:08

mean every it was the line

13:10

and it was the it was

13:13

the thing that you aspired to

13:15

like you wanted every you wanted

13:17

your person to say that to

13:19

you well and you wanted to

13:21

find that person that completes you

13:23

that's where I I think I

13:25

heard it more yes you want

13:27

the person to say that to

13:29

you but this is interesting go

13:31

ahead But I also heard it

13:33

as, I want to find, that's,

13:35

there's something wrong with me. I

13:37

need to be, let me, I

13:39

know you know, no, no, no,

13:41

like, I need to find that

13:43

person that completes me. Because let's

13:46

face it, sometimes we're in marriages

13:48

or sometimes we're in relationships where

13:50

we don't feel that way, we

13:52

don't feel. Complete or we don't

13:54

have the other person saying to

13:56

us nor do we feel that

13:58

way So it wasn't so much

14:00

as wanting someone to say that

14:02

to me It was I wanted

14:04

to feel that way And so

14:06

yeah, I thought oh my gosh,

14:08

that's what's wrong Can I just

14:10

say something really quickly? Sorry. No,

14:12

go ahead. No, I didn't want

14:14

to interrupt your no I just

14:16

saying that that and I I

14:19

don't know I don't know how

14:21

all of you listening or feeling

14:23

about that line you complete me

14:25

but that sent me on a

14:27

journey of because Remember, I went

14:29

into treatment for bulimian. I've been

14:31

meditating and mindfulness and all the

14:33

things since 1984. So for over

14:35

40 years. So I would say

14:37

I was probably, you know, into

14:39

year 15 or something like that,

14:41

whatever it was, 20. And so

14:43

I was already thinking about this

14:45

idea of feelings of love from

14:47

within and cultivating a relationship with

14:49

myself and all that. But I

14:52

still, when I heard that I

14:54

thought, that's what I want. was

14:56

my journey for dismantling that, because

14:58

that is not correct. And that

15:00

was really the flame or the

15:02

fire that was lit inside of

15:04

me of, wait a minute, if

15:06

I'm gonna spend my life trying

15:08

to find someone to complete me,

15:10

I am never gonna be successful

15:12

in that journey. I have to

15:14

already know that I am complete.

15:16

Yeah. And so that is the

15:18

lifelong journey. is really understanding that

15:20

you already are complete. You already

15:22

are everything that you need from

15:25

the inside out, loving yourself completely,

15:27

trusting yourself completely, having respect for

15:29

yourself completely, and stop looking for

15:31

other people to bring to the

15:33

table what you need and accepting

15:35

all parts of you and truly

15:37

really focusing on the fact that

15:39

you already are complete. And then

15:41

the love from the inside can

15:43

start to emanate. toward so many

15:45

more things than just a romantic

15:47

relationship. Yeah. I love that romance

15:49

for yourself. I love that. Lots

15:51

of things to say. I know,

15:53

what were you going to say?

15:55

No, no, no. I just was

15:58

going to say, as you were

16:00

talking about that, I think it's

16:02

so interesting. And this could be

16:04

a whole episode, and maybe we'll

16:06

put together some thoughts about it.

16:08

But just perspective and how we

16:10

take in things as humans. We

16:12

could be standing in the same

16:14

room watching something unfold in the

16:16

same circumstances in the same circumstances

16:18

and have different. takes on the

16:20

reality of it or the truth

16:22

of it or how we take

16:24

it in. And I've been thinking

16:26

about that a lot for myself.

16:28

You know, in the world that

16:31

we live in lately, just sometimes

16:33

we get so confused how someone

16:35

could disagree or not see things

16:37

like you see them. And it's

16:39

just even something as basic or

16:41

simple as a scene in the

16:43

movie and that sentence, you complete

16:45

me, you and I kind of

16:47

have different interpretations or how it

16:49

makes us feel. And I was

16:51

fascinated to hear you say that

16:53

you say that. that line, seeing

16:55

that scene in that movie, made

16:57

you feel like you were lacking

16:59

because you needed someone to complete

17:01

you. Whereas my take on it

17:04

or how it impacted me is,

17:06

I'm like, oh my gosh, how

17:08

do I find someone that's going

17:10

to say something like that to

17:12

me and to feel that so

17:14

enamored with me? to go to

17:16

any level or to be so

17:18

impassioned to say those kinds of

17:20

things to me. Less, it was

17:22

less for me about myself, it

17:24

was more about someone else. So

17:26

I just think it's an interesting

17:28

data point of just, I guess,

17:30

wherever we were in that moment

17:32

in time watching that, but we

17:34

all can have such unique takes

17:37

on situations. And so that's what.

17:39

that was for me was like

17:41

very little to do. with me

17:43

actually. I just was like how

17:45

can I find someone who will

17:47

also say something like that to

17:49

me? Isn't that amazing Michelle? What

17:51

this whole episode is about, the

17:53

idea of being authentic and how

17:55

unique every single one of us

17:57

are. We all have different perspectives

17:59

so why is it that we

18:01

keep believing? everything that the media

18:03

and society and other people are

18:05

telling us that's right for us.

18:08

So I love what you just

18:10

shared your perspective because we had

18:12

not talked about this particular part

18:14

of it. I always assumed you

18:16

and I had the same perspective

18:18

because you would say I hate

18:20

that line in the movie it's

18:22

so toxic it's so wrong it's

18:24

so like setting us up you

18:26

know for failure and heartache and

18:28

not what real love should be

18:30

like because the movie's been out

18:32

for a long time and this

18:34

has been a thing for us.

18:36

for a long time. And yeah,

18:38

we never really chattered about what

18:41

it actually meant for us. So

18:43

I always just assumed that like

18:45

we had the same takeaways from

18:47

it. Well, I think being a

18:49

woman who told my story so

18:51

many times on this show, being

18:53

a woman who has had serious

18:55

trauma as a child, alcoholic parents,

18:57

bulimia, sexual abuse, all of the

18:59

things. So I never felt complete.

19:01

I always felt like something was

19:03

wrong with me. And so to

19:05

hear that line and be so.

19:07

I don't want to say traumatized

19:09

by it, but just in shock

19:11

by it. I'm like, that can't

19:14

be true, because I can't spend

19:16

my whole life. looking for myself

19:18

to be complete before I actually

19:20

start living my whole life. And

19:22

I think what I want to

19:24

say in response to all of

19:26

this is stop looking for a

19:28

soulmate. This is where I have

19:30

come. So here I am divorced

19:32

after 33 years of marriage, second

19:34

divorce, all of the things that

19:36

you've heard on the show. I've

19:38

stopped looking for my soulmate because

19:40

I am my soulmate, like I

19:42

am the person that I've been

19:44

waiting for. And that is not

19:47

an arrogant, egotistical way. That is

19:49

in a deep, loving way. And

19:51

so that is how, if Guzman

19:53

saying this, because it is so

19:55

true, this is how I have.

19:57

so much love. I have so

19:59

much love for nature, for people,

20:01

for things. I just have so

20:03

much love and on a day

20:05

like Valentine's Day I celebrate love

20:07

and not in a particular form

20:09

but just the feeling and the

20:11

emotion of love and how grateful

20:13

I am that I actually can

20:15

feel love from the inside out

20:17

because I never felt that before.

20:20

I thought it always had to

20:22

come from the external world. So

20:24

stop looking for soulmate and stop

20:26

looking for missing parts of you.

20:28

realize you have all your parts,

20:31

you have everything that you need,

20:33

it really is just for you

20:35

to start embracing them. There's no

20:37

need to keep going on the

20:39

outside world to find things. Once

20:41

you have and accept all parts

20:44

of you, once you love yourself

20:46

completely, your whole life will change.

20:48

My whole life has changed. I

20:50

can be divorced at 68 years

20:52

old and feel fine. and feel

20:55

like, oh my gosh, I'm not

20:57

missing out on anything. I don't

20:59

need to look for anything. I

21:01

have so many people, many people

21:03

I haven't seen for a long

21:05

time. Are you dating yet? Yeah.

21:08

You know, what are you doing

21:10

now? Oh my gosh, anyone special

21:12

in your life? That is the

21:14

number one question you get as

21:16

a single, I would say as

21:19

a single woman, 30 and up.

21:21

And someone asked me that recently,

21:23

anyone special in your life. And

21:25

I said, yeah, me. doing the

21:27

work that I love so much

21:29

in the world that you and

21:32

I do here together. Just really

21:34

embracing the fullness of who I

21:36

am and the fullness of my

21:38

life. And it doesn't mean that

21:40

I've closed the door on anything

21:43

in the external world. I think

21:45

that's the thing people, I think,

21:47

have trouble understanding. Because one person

21:49

in particular said, oh, you mean

21:51

you're not ever going to get

21:54

in a relationship? And I said,

21:56

I didn't ever going to get

21:58

in a relationship. And I said,

22:00

I didn't ever going to say.

22:02

I am loving me and my

22:04

life right now and I'm loving

22:07

who I am, which for me

22:09

means I... already am complete so

22:11

I feel like if you're if

22:13

you're ready to celebrate a day

22:15

of love and you don't necessarily

22:18

have family which I don't you

22:20

don't have and you don't necessarily

22:22

have a partner and you don't

22:24

have whatever it is that society

22:26

is saying you need to have

22:28

start to little by little it

22:31

doesn't happen overnight as I said

22:33

20 years ago when I heard

22:35

that a fire inside of me

22:37

yeah that I can't spend my

22:39

whole life looking for someone to

22:42

complete me. I am already complete.

22:44

So I think that awareness that

22:46

we talk about every single episode,

22:48

I think, that the foundation of

22:50

your life is you. Like the

22:52

relationship that you have with yourself

22:55

is the foundation for every single

22:57

thing you do in life. So

22:59

if you want to feel that

23:01

deep sense of love, you choose

23:03

yourself first and then everything else

23:06

will follow. And so self-love, self-awareness,

23:08

all of the things that are

23:10

already within you is your self-worth,

23:12

is your validation, is who you

23:14

are, is what Carl Young said.

23:17

That is becoming who you truly

23:19

are. Yeah, that reminds me of

23:21

the Lucille Ball quote that I

23:23

really, really love, where she says...

23:25

Love yourself first and everything else

23:27

falls in line, falls in line.

23:30

You really have to love yourself

23:32

to get anything done in this

23:34

world. And I remember I heard

23:36

that quote for the first time,

23:38

I think when I was living

23:41

in New York, when I was

23:43

going through a challenging self-love journey.

23:45

I had a lot of self-criticism

23:47

and self-doubts and just, you know,

23:49

insecurities. And I read that line.

23:51

I heard that quote. It really

23:54

kind of sums it all up

23:56

you have to You have to

23:58

have those feelings for yourself and

24:00

the worthiness for yourself to where

24:02

then everything else does fall into

24:05

place to a certain extent because

24:07

you're setting yourself up in a

24:09

very strong stable way. Like a

24:11

solid, you know, that's when we

24:13

talk about building a solid foundation

24:15

from within, that's like the cornerstone

24:18

of it is believing and feeling

24:20

that self-love and worthiness and confidence

24:22

and assuredness of your place in

24:24

the world. And I also love

24:26

too what you were saying mom

24:29

a little bit ago about... the

24:31

not needing to be complete by

24:33

someone else and looking for someone

24:35

else to come and completely your

24:37

life and I think that's an

24:40

interesting dynamic that a lot of

24:42

us are facing I would go

24:44

so far to say a lot

24:46

of women my age or age

24:48

are facing ages in between where

24:50

You know there is this dynamic

24:53

of personal development, self-love,

24:55

self-care, you know, not

24:57

settling. And I think

24:59

a lot of us,

25:01

that's led to a

25:03

lot of us maybe

25:05

being single for maybe

25:07

longer than we would

25:09

have expected or not

25:11

taking some of those

25:13

societal boxes on the

25:15

timeline that we would

25:17

have expected. That

25:20

can bring up a lot of feelings

25:23

for people of like, okay, I'm doing

25:25

all of these things I'm loving myself

25:27

I'm working on myself I'm really confident

25:30

I'm doing a great job in my

25:32

career. I have great friends I have

25:34

great a great group around me and

25:36

yet still This piece isn't in the

25:39

equation yet what must be wrong with

25:41

me and so I'm wondering your take

25:43

because this is something that's happening a

25:46

lot for? for dating in general for

25:48

people where I do believe all of

25:50

that to be true. Believing in your

25:53

own completeness first, and then having the

25:55

people. romantic or not, just add to

25:57

your plate, not make up the plate.

26:00

So how do you reconcile the dynamic

26:02

that a lot of us are facing

26:04

right now where you can be doing

26:07

all of the things and yet that

26:09

piece is still a little tricky? You

26:11

know, I think Michelle, there is always

26:14

going to be the external world that

26:16

seeps into our brain telling us, oh

26:18

my gosh. I don't have this, oh

26:21

gosh I'm lacking in that, I can't

26:23

celebrate Valentine's Day, you know, the mind

26:25

is going to send us those thoughts.

26:27

And I think it's really one step

26:30

at a time, one moment at a

26:32

time, one day at a time, you

26:34

know, that, that, that, that ideology of

26:37

really taking it a step at a

26:39

time or a moment of time is

26:41

so crucial. Like really understanding that this

26:44

is not going to change overnight, that

26:46

one, we're just going to automatically. not

26:48

believe what society has said or not

26:51

believe those feelings that we have based

26:53

on everything that is coming at us

26:55

in the external world. That's why I

26:58

said that moment I heard that you

27:00

complete me lit a fire inside of

27:02

me so it's been a journey. So

27:05

I think we have to set the

27:07

intention and for me it was setting

27:09

the intention to expand my idea of

27:11

love beyond romance, beyond that it has

27:14

to include another person. and looking at

27:16

what does it mean for me to

27:18

feel love? What does it mean that

27:21

just because I don't have a romantic

27:23

partner, I can still feel love? And

27:25

I'm not talking about feeling love for

27:28

you as my child or feeling love

27:30

for my dog or feeling love for

27:32

nature. I'm just saying just the idea

27:35

of feeling love. So expanding that love

27:37

is love. In my mind, I started

27:39

saying that years ago before it became

27:42

a real beautiful. saying here in our

27:44

world today, like how can I start

27:46

to actually feel love and what I'll

27:49

tell you the moment that I really

27:51

felt it strongly, I was... watching a

27:53

sunset in Key West, the sunsets are

27:56

extraordinary. They've said, I've heard it said,

27:58

I've heard it said, I've never seen

28:00

it, but that if you can really

28:02

see a sunset in Key West, you

28:05

can see the moment where the sun

28:07

hits the horizon and you see the

28:09

green flash. So I was watching a

28:12

sunset in Key West, and literally, and

28:14

I'm kind of feeling it right now,

28:16

like the emotion of just love and

28:19

beauty came over me. In that moment.

28:21

And then of course, after the moment

28:23

passed, it was in my head, oh

28:26

my gosh, look how beautiful the sky

28:28

looks, look how amazing the yellow colors

28:30

are, oh my gosh, look at all

28:33

the things that are happening in the

28:35

water with the ripples in the sea.

28:37

And so in that moment, I thought,

28:40

I had it taken in my body

28:42

and in my whole being, I could

28:44

feel the love of the sunset and

28:46

its beauty. To me, beauty and love

28:49

can go synonymous together. And then I

28:51

checked it into my head. So for

28:53

me, what I try to do is

28:56

feel the love without checking it into

28:58

my head. I don't need to tell

29:00

a story about what the sunset looked

29:03

like after I felt it. Couldn't I

29:05

just stay in the feeling of it?

29:07

Couldn't I just stay in the feeling

29:10

of it? So little by little when

29:12

we see, of course we can't do

29:14

that all the time. None of us

29:17

can do that all the time. But

29:19

the more we can start to be

29:21

aware of it. That love is already

29:24

inside of me. That love that I

29:26

felt for seeing that Key West sunset

29:28

is the same love that I feel

29:31

for myself. Like I couldn't feel that

29:33

love for the Key West sunset if

29:35

I didn't already feel it for myself.

29:37

This is, you're asking me, how do

29:40

I get to this place of understanding

29:42

that the deeper I can get connected

29:44

to myself and the love that I

29:47

felt and the beauty for that sunset.

29:49

or the love that I feel for

29:51

my dog, and not just because it's

29:54

my dog or because I love my

29:56

dog, but actually just feeling the love

29:58

without putting it into my brain of

30:01

how cute she is. and how sweet

30:03

she is and how much she loves

30:05

me back. Like the more I can

30:08

stop the mind from writing a story

30:10

about the love I might feel or

30:12

the feelings that I feel and actually

30:15

staying in the feeling, it makes all

30:17

the difference in the world. So what

30:19

I'm saying is don't chase the love.

30:21

Just let it come naturally and do

30:24

what you can for that moment to

30:26

just feel it without having the thoughts

30:28

in the mind telling you things about

30:31

it. That's... for me what it means

30:33

to feel the love. So if we're

30:35

going to celebrate Valentine's Day or if

30:38

we're actually, you know, we want to

30:40

celebrate love every day of the year.

30:42

Right. We want to feel the love,

30:45

but if we're actually going to shine

30:47

the light on Valentine's Day this year,

30:49

maybe look at how can I just

30:52

feel it for that split second or

30:54

that moment? Sometimes we feel like that

30:56

split second doesn't matter, but it matters

30:59

greatly. It literally has, it has the

31:01

ability to change you in the most

31:03

profound way from the inside out that

31:06

you never knew imaginable. I would never

31:08

guess that that you complete me would

31:10

have changed me the way I am

31:12

today. I also would have never guessed

31:15

watching that sunset in Key West would

31:17

have changed me so profoundly. I don't

31:19

talk about what it looked like to

31:22

people like I am today. I talk

31:24

about what it felt like. The beauty

31:26

was overwhelming to me. So it's that

31:29

little idea of expanding what it means

31:31

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31:33

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31:36

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31:38

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31:40

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31:43

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31:45

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31:47

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31:50

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31:52

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33125. I really love that and

35:05

I don't know if we've talked

35:07

about this in this way at

35:10

this point, especially about love in

35:12

general, but I know we've talked

35:14

about feelings and emotions and feeling

35:16

them, but I think that's such

35:19

a powerful story that you told

35:21

about the sunset. And it's just

35:23

so easy for all of us

35:25

to understand what you're saying because

35:28

some, you know, many of us

35:30

like to watch the sunset. we

35:32

see it and then we can

35:34

textualize it or we get into

35:37

our heads about it. Oh I

35:39

gotta take a picture, oh I

35:41

gotta send, oh I gotta go

35:43

do this. Have I ever seen

35:46

such a beautiful sunset? Will I

35:48

ever see such a beautiful, like,

35:50

blah blah blah blah, all the

35:52

thoughts in the head about the

35:55

sunset, whereas the feelings that it

35:57

evokes and living in the head

35:59

is really interesting to me. And

36:01

I. I think that's a great

36:04

practice or something to just consider

36:06

when thinking about how we live

36:08

our lives in some of these

36:10

moments, moment to moment, letting the

36:12

feeling permeate or tapping into the

36:15

feeling and not contextualizing. it with

36:17

thoughts or so quickly taking it

36:19

up into the mind to have

36:21

judgments or stories or whatever about

36:24

it. Not easy, obviously not going

36:26

to be happening every single second

36:28

of the day, but I find

36:30

that really powerful and really interesting,

36:33

especially when you're talking about love.

36:35

Because there are so many aspects

36:37

and opportunities for us to feel

36:39

love every single day. day-to-day, even

36:42

taking out the overarching theme and

36:44

feeling of self-love, like starting with

36:46

the basis of loving yourself and

36:48

living from that space, you know,

36:51

in this instance that's a given.

36:53

But just thinking about the opportunities

36:55

throughout your day where there is

36:57

possibility to feel love, it's endless

37:00

almost. And I love that we

37:02

can look for these opportunities and

37:04

just let them provide the feelings,

37:06

rather than seeking out something specific

37:09

that our brain is telling us

37:11

to find to give us those

37:13

feelings, if that makes sense. Oh,

37:15

it's beautiful, Michelle. And I think

37:18

you said it beautifully that... When

37:20

we start when we feel the love

37:23

from the inside out we can let

37:25

it flow naturally so we can we

37:27

can be to that we can be

37:29

feeling in that place that you just

37:32

talked about But if we're not feeling

37:34

it from the inside we're looking for

37:36

ways to Bring it to us and

37:39

that is the you complete me mentality

37:41

Yeah, and so how can we do

37:43

the opposite? How can we actually start

37:45

to? feel the love for ourselves first

37:48

which is just the most important thing

37:50

that we can possibly have an understanding

37:52

that the more that we can feel

37:54

the love, the more that we can

37:57

give it, the more that we feel

37:59

already complete, and we don't need to

38:01

have a partner in the moment to

38:03

celebrate. Valentine's Day and I feel so

38:06

strongly about about that and another example

38:08

this year for me this week we're

38:10

traveling a lot and I was in

38:13

a store and so I just had

38:15

a feeling I want to buy a

38:17

couple of Valentine's Day cards I want

38:19

to buy a couple of cards for

38:22

a few people and I just you

38:24

are the card queen by the way

38:26

I just want to interject and I'm

38:28

again sorry to interrupt you but I

38:31

love that about you because in a

38:33

very high-tech world and kind of where

38:35

Maybe the art of sending a card

38:37

or a note is a little bit

38:40

lost to the snail mail. You hold

38:42

a torch for it, and I do

38:44

love that about you. I just was

38:47

in a store, and it was a

38:49

grocery store. It wasn't a card store.

38:51

It wasn't. I didn't have the intention

38:53

to go out to buy cards. I

38:56

wasn't thinking, oh my gosh, it's Valentine's

38:58

Day. I need to go fix it.

39:00

I was overwhelmed with this feeling in

39:02

the grocery store. I just had this.

39:05

intuitive hit, I want to buy a

39:07

couple of cards for a couple of

39:09

people because I was feeling love for

39:12

them inside of me. I was feeling

39:14

love for them. And I bought a

39:16

couple of cards, I wrote in them,

39:18

and I sent them. And I think

39:21

that's the whole thing that we need

39:23

to really, really, really understand in life

39:25

that if we can actually live it

39:27

from the inside out like that, if

39:30

we can actually really feel that when

39:32

we get that hit, because that's love.

39:34

That's love. It's not the, oh my

39:36

gosh, I gotta go do this, and

39:39

I gotta do this, and I gotta

39:41

do this, and I gotta do this,

39:43

to celebrate, or whatever it is, we

39:46

actually can feel it in that moment,

39:48

do whatever it is that we need

39:50

to do in that moment, and then

39:52

move on. It's kind of like that

39:55

idea of letting life take its course

39:57

and just be. I think that's the.

39:59

Really beauty of what what we're talking

40:01

about here. Yeah, it's so important that

40:04

we do that and Understand that it

40:06

starts from the inside out and I

40:08

think that that's the yeah I like

40:10

it really yeah I really like that

40:13

idea of letting it flow and not

40:15

seeking to chase you know there's that

40:17

mindset of just allowing and how can

40:20

we do that and what does that

40:22

look like in a daily practice so

40:24

what is that trust or allowance for

40:26

that for you on a day-to-day basis

40:29

Well, I think it starts with the

40:31

feelings that I'm talking about. I think

40:33

instead of it being something that I'm

40:35

thinking about doing, or something that society

40:38

has said that we need to do,

40:40

or it doesn't start in the head,

40:42

it comes from the heart. You know,

40:44

I think it's that idea, how can

40:47

I just leave with my heart a

40:49

little bit more? If I'm feeling something

40:51

in that moment like I'm in a

40:54

grocery store buying potatoes, but I get

40:56

overwhelmed with the idea. Let me go

40:58

grab a card for them and send

41:00

it to them to the today. So

41:03

you're not seeking, being in the flow

41:05

of allowing means not always going out

41:07

into the external world to seek something

41:09

that you feel like you don't already

41:12

have within yourself. Yes. And I also

41:14

think, and you know, sometimes, of course

41:16

we do that. Of course sometimes we

41:18

set, make plans and we go out

41:21

and we get the things on our

41:23

list that we need to get, or

41:25

we have plans. I'm not saying abandon

41:28

all plans and just go. I'm saying

41:30

to actually be in touch with your

41:32

feelings, being in touch with your sensations

41:34

and your body, and just being in

41:37

touch from the inside out. I mean,

41:39

I've probably said inside out how many

41:41

times today on this podcast, that we

41:43

truly start to be engaged in the

41:46

feelings and the sensations that we have

41:48

in the body. And so when we

41:50

start to listen to the intuition that

41:52

we have, or we start to listen

41:55

to the feelings and feel the feelings

41:57

that we have, or we start to

41:59

hear that little voice that says, oh

42:02

my gosh, I... I really love nature.

42:04

I actually want to go out for

42:06

a walk right now and be with

42:08

a tree or whatever it is. Can

42:11

I say something really quickly? Yes, I

42:13

know what you're going to say because

42:15

you know how much I love nature.

42:17

She does love nature and you have

42:20

been in a big nature kick. You've

42:22

been traveling and you've been in some

42:24

of your favorite natural places. So I

42:26

think it's up for you right now.

42:29

But before we started recording again when

42:31

we were talking. and you were talking

42:33

about you know love and love in

42:36

different forms and feeling love in different

42:38

forms you were like I have a

42:40

romantic love for nature I feel romance

42:42

about nature and I was like that

42:45

that would be quite a sound bite

42:47

for people I understand what you're saying

42:49

obviously but your zest and excitement for

42:51

nature was really funny for me and

42:54

it's true you do love nature You

42:56

are a nature gal. I think in

42:58

a former life. Romantic. You can romanticize

43:00

nature, but it's just the way you

43:03

said it. I'm like. Because I could

43:05

go a different a few different ways.

43:07

I'm trying to redefine that word romance.

43:10

I get it. It's just no, I

43:12

know you are. And I'm glad you

43:14

brought it up because I truly am.

43:16

For me, romance. I. I just got

43:19

back from a trip to Colorado in

43:21

the mountains, in the snow. Yeah, you

43:23

love it that. And I didn't care

43:25

how cold it was. I just wanted

43:28

to be in it. And I went

43:30

snowshoeing and I was huffing and buffing

43:32

up the mountain and it was so

43:34

hard. But I thought, oh my gosh,

43:37

I'm loving every minute of this even

43:39

though it was hard. And not to

43:41

say that we can't accept that things

43:44

are hard, but I'm saying that things

43:46

are hard. I think, I'm just, you're

43:48

not feeling it. I believe so strongly

43:50

in that concept of believe it and

43:53

you're gonna see it, setting the intention

43:55

of it, that if you truly believe

43:57

it and you truly set that intention,

43:59

you will see it. I feel like

44:02

I can be an experience and a

44:04

witness of it. I didn't believe it.

44:06

before. I didn't understand it before and

44:08

I thought I needed external things to

44:11

complete me. External people, external environment, external

44:13

things. And I feel I'm living proof

44:15

that if you actually set the intention

44:18

that you will feel not all the

44:20

time, not every single day, not every

44:22

single moment, but you will have those

44:24

flashes of light that the ordinary moment...

44:27

is extraordinary. The green flash of light?

44:29

Yeah, and you'll be like, oh my

44:31

gosh, I got it. Yes, fleeting. You

44:33

remember? Nothing lasts forever. Everything passes. Everything

44:36

changes. But you got it for that

44:38

moment. And once you get it for

44:40

that moment, you never forget it. You're

44:42

like, wow, this is possible. And then

44:45

don't go chase it. Just keep believing

44:47

deeper in it because the more you

44:49

chase it the more elusive I believe

44:52

it will be That's true. When we

44:54

go I gotta have this I gotta

44:56

have this I gotta have this I

44:58

gotta have this but just actually be

45:01

it be in that love for that

45:03

moment and just allow it to unfold

45:05

in its own natural way and it

45:07

let it take its own course and

45:10

just keep saying to yourself I believe

45:12

it. I believe in this kind of

45:14

love. That is a good point though

45:16

to you about Not chasing or you

45:19

know getting the hit of love having

45:21

a interaction with someone that's loving or

45:23

having a romantic relationship That feels loving

45:26

and then feeling like you need to

45:28

find or chase out or seek out

45:30

that next hit I Think the energy

45:32

of that is exactly what you're talking

45:35

about rather than feeling like you need

45:37

it living with it and Seeking it

45:39

out within the life that you already

45:41

that already is with you And again,

45:44

I know that kind of sounds a

45:46

little woo or weird, but like, I

45:48

do think there is a lot to

45:50

that where if your solace are focused

45:53

on only seeking out the one thing

45:55

that you think that you're missing or

45:57

the specific emotion or... anything

46:00

about it, you're missing out on

46:02

so many other opportunities and possibilities of

46:04

love and excitement and beauty to use

46:07

your words that you already have

46:09

around you. You know what, Michelle, if

46:11

all of you listening take nothing

46:13

but this from this episode that accept

46:15

all of the parts of you and

46:18

there is nothing missing anywhere. Even

46:20

if you don't believe it, believe it.

46:22

Set that intention that I will believe.

46:24

that there is nothing missing anywhere

46:26

and I accept all the parts of

46:29

me. And I don't need anything

46:31

in the external world to complete me

46:33

because I already am love itself from

46:35

the inside. It will change your

46:37

life because how often, I don't know

46:40

if any of you can relate to

46:42

this, but I can't tell you

46:44

how often in my marriages or in

46:46

any of my other relationships, doesn't

46:48

even have to be a romantic relationship,

46:51

how often I would say to myself,

46:53

they don't really love me. They

46:55

don't really love me. You don't really

46:57

love me. I had serious abandonment issues

47:00

as well as a child and

47:02

as a young adult for sure. Probably

47:04

some lingering ones now. Probably some

47:06

lingering ones now. Yeah, they don't really

47:08

love me. And as I kept moving

47:11

on my journey and moving on

47:13

my path of healing and meditation and

47:15

mindfulness and all of the things. the

47:17

deeper I got with this idea

47:19

that I already am complete and accepting

47:22

all the pieces of me, the

47:24

deeper I understood that, of course I

47:26

didn't think that they really love me,

47:28

because I didn't think that I

47:30

had... Because you didn't really love you.

47:33

And I didn't really love me, and

47:35

I didn't think I was complete,

47:37

so how... I always thought something was

47:39

wrong with me, or that I

47:41

needed something else. How could they possibly

47:44

love me, because I need something else?

47:46

Yeah. It's very interesting when you

47:48

think about it. I needed them to,

47:50

you know, it's not like you were

47:53

saying how you wanted someone to

47:55

say that to you, you complete me,

47:57

you wanted them to really love

47:59

you. I didn't think that they love

48:01

me and I never thought. that I

48:04

want them to love me. It

48:06

was kind of a weird thing. It's

48:08

almost like I'm not okay, so I

48:10

need them. But then if they

48:12

really did love me, which I don't

48:15

even know, because at the time

48:17

I didn't even know if I love

48:19

myself, if you don't love yourself, how

48:21

do you ever know if someone

48:23

really loves you? You're always going to

48:26

be in that laundry. Yeah. And

48:28

I think what comes first is you

48:30

have to take care of yourself first.

48:32

You have to love yourself first,

48:34

except all of the parts of you.

48:37

There is nothing missing anywhere. Write that

48:39

on your mirror in your bathroom

48:41

with a dry erase marker. Marker. I've

48:43

had a hard time saying that

48:45

word marker. There is nothing missing anywhere

48:48

in me. I accept all of the

48:50

parts of me. Yeah. And starting

48:52

your day like that every day, you

48:55

start to believe it little by little

48:57

by little. Yeah, and then you'll

48:59

start to see it. You'll start to

49:01

feel it. And then you can

49:03

stand complete in your wholeness. You can

49:06

feel the love that's complete from the

49:08

inside out. And you don't feel

49:10

like you're missing out. I'm not saying

49:12

that I don't feel like I miss

49:15

out on certain things in life

49:17

at all. Yeah, me too. I'm just

49:19

saying that I don't in general

49:21

feel like I'm missing out on anything

49:23

in my life. I feel complete. Would

49:26

I like to have certain things

49:28

maybe added? Sure. But it's not a

49:30

necessity. It might be a desire or

49:32

it might be a wish. But

49:34

it's not a necessity for how I'm

49:37

going to live my life and

49:39

how I feel about myself I Love

49:41

that Happy Valentine's day everyone happy Valentine's

49:43

day, even though it's past Valentine's

49:45

happy February Happy Black history month happy

49:48

Black history month happy everything here in

49:50

February. I really like that. I

49:52

think we need more love right now

49:54

I'm glad for sure I'm glad

49:56

even though it's you're listening to this

49:59

episode past Valentine's Day I'm glad that

50:01

we're having this conversation because it

50:03

feels I know you did a post

50:05

in your story on January 1st, 2024.

50:08

A little creepy that you can

50:10

rain man this of my posts. That's...

50:12

Well, it was so cute. I

50:14

know I'm joking. It's cute. I loved

50:16

it. It was a sunset, I think,

50:19

and it said, by 2024, dot,

50:21

dot, dot, dot, be kinder 2025, be

50:23

kind to us 2025. And I remember

50:25

seeing that, and it just melted

50:27

my heart, I thought, this is so

50:30

beautiful. What a beautiful way to

50:32

welcome the new year. And so it's

50:34

been a rocky new year, right, for

50:36

all of us. From the Palisades?

50:38

I took that picture in Pacific Palisades.

50:41

You did, you took that picture in

50:43

Pacific Palisades? Which is not lost

50:45

on me. It's true. What happened just

50:47

a few days later? Yeah, it's

50:49

true. It is true. So there's a

50:52

lot of tragedy. There's a lot of

50:54

sadness around the world today. So

50:56

I think it's more incumbent of us

50:58

to actually feel that deep love from

51:01

within. and emanate all the love

51:03

that we possibly can from the inside

51:05

out into the world. And I

51:07

think that I feel, not I think,

51:09

I believe this so strongly and I

51:12

feel this so strongly that the

51:14

more that I can feel the love

51:16

that's inside of me, the more faithful

51:18

and hopeful and happy I am

51:20

in life, but also I can see

51:23

the beauty and I can see

51:25

that whole truth that. There is pain

51:27

and suffering, but there is also joy

51:29

and beauty. That there are two

51:31

sides of the coin and nothing lasts

51:34

forever. I love that. I think that's

51:36

a really great sentiment to send

51:38

out for this episode, to emanate in

51:40

the times that we're living in.

51:42

I agree with you completely that I

51:45

think. This conversation about love is definitely

51:47

needed right now if nothing else

51:49

to kind of lift our spirits and

51:51

to remind us that We can

51:54

feel these feelings right now despite whatever

51:56

might be happening in the external world

51:58

or whatever is happening on

52:01

any scale. It's nice to know that

52:03

we have access to these feelings regardless.

52:05

And that's hopeful for me, or I

52:08

take hope from that. So I really

52:10

love that. And I think having this

52:12

conversation with you today, Mom, has been

52:14

helpful for me too. So thank you

52:16

for sharing some of those stories. I

52:19

know I've heard, but obviously we've talked

52:21

about Jerry McGuire, we've talked about the

52:23

sunsets, blah, blah. But like, in this

52:25

narrative, it's been really cool to listen

52:28

to listen to the. the through line

52:30

of it all. And so I thank

52:32

you for that. Tom? You're welcome. And

52:34

I feel so strongly that the love

52:37

that we have for each other, the

52:39

love that I have for you, and

52:41

the love that I have for the

52:43

work that we do here on these

52:45

episodes every single week, just sitting down

52:48

and showing up and having this conversation,

52:50

it's almost gonna make me cry. And

52:52

the love that I have for this

52:54

community of beautiful people, listening to our

52:57

words and being here and just. That's

52:59

what love is. Like we don't have

53:01

to be in the same room. We

53:03

don't have to be in the same

53:06

state. We don't have to be in

53:08

the same country. Just the energy that

53:10

I feel when we sit down every

53:12

single week to record our experiences, to

53:14

record our thoughts, to record our beliefs

53:17

and our values and our energies and

53:19

our love is so powerful. And I

53:21

think just to remember that, that your

53:23

love is so powerful and it really

53:26

starts with you. Yeah. Really loving yourself

53:28

completely is the most important thing that

53:30

you can do in your life. Amen,

53:32

Mom. Love you. And we love you

53:35

all. I hope this conversation was helpful

53:37

for you all in navigating some of

53:39

these feelings and just remembering that you

53:41

are already complete and you are already

53:43

whole exactly as you are. And filling

53:46

your cup with self-love and self-worth and

53:48

self-confidence is truly a great way to

53:50

start to build a foundation. that strong

53:52

foundation from within. So I think that's

53:55

a great place for all of us

53:57

to start. So thanks again mom for

53:59

sharing all of that. As always, thank

54:01

you so much to our listeners for

54:04

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54:06

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54:08

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55:20

there is also joy and beauty. That

55:22

there are two sides of the coin

55:25

and nothing lasts forever. I love that.

55:27

I think that's a really great sentiment

55:29

to send out for this episode, to

55:32

emanate in the times that we're living

55:34

in. I agree with you completely that

55:36

I think this conversation about love is

55:39

definitely needed right now, if nothing else

55:41

to kind of lift our spirits and

55:43

to remind us that We can feel

55:46

these feelings right now despite whatever might

55:48

be happening in the external world or

55:50

whatever is happening on any scale. It's

55:52

nice to know. that we have access

55:55

to these feelings regardless. And that's hopeful

55:57

for me, or I take hope from

55:59

that. So I really love that. And

56:02

I think having this conversation with you,

56:04

Your Name Mom, it's been helpful for

56:06

me too. So thank you for sharing

56:09

some of those stories. I know I've

56:11

heard, but obviously we've talked about Jerry

56:13

Maguire, we've talked about the sunsets, blah,

56:16

blah, blah. But like, in this narrative,

56:18

it's been really cool to listen to

56:20

listen to the through line of it

56:23

all. And so I thank you for.

56:25

You're welcome, and I think I feel

56:27

so strongly that the love that we

56:30

have for each other, the love that

56:32

I have for you, and the love

56:34

that I have for the work that

56:37

we do here on these episodes every

56:39

single week, just sitting down and showing

56:41

up and having this conversation, it's almost

56:44

going to make me cry. And the

56:46

love that I have for this community

56:48

of beautiful people, listening to our words

56:50

and being here, and just that's what

56:53

love is. Like we don't have to

56:55

be in the same room. We don't

56:57

have to be in the same state,

57:00

we don't have to be in the

57:02

same country. Just the energy that I

57:04

feel when we sit down every single

57:07

week to record our experiences, to record

57:09

our thoughts, to record our beliefs and

57:11

our values and our energies and our

57:14

love is so powerful. And it really

57:16

starts with you. Yeah. Really loving yourself

57:18

completely is the most important thing that

57:21

you can do in your life. Amen,

57:23

Mom. Love you. And we love you

57:25

all. I hope this conversation was helpful

57:28

for you all in navigating some of

57:30

these feelings and just remembering that you

57:32

are already complete and you are already

57:35

whole exactly as you are. And filling

57:37

your cup with self-love and self-worth and

57:39

self-confidence is truly a great way to

57:41

start to build a foundation. that strong

57:44

foundation from within. So I think that's

57:46

a great place for all of us

57:48

to start. So thanks again mom for

57:51

sharing all of that. And as always,

57:53

thank you so much to our listeners

57:55

for joining us every single week. And

57:58

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58:00

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