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boom, boom out, go to light. This

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guys, We're back here with another Lights Out podcast

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with me, Sean Merriman, and uh we

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gotta special guest man in the

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boxing world today talking some bare knuckle though.

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For you guys that don't know, UM, I did

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actually sign up for a bare

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knuckle fight UM a

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couple of years ago. And I know everybody's indy,

0:31

Oh, what the hell are you thinking? What are your other thing? Well, let

0:33

me tell you this. I've been in over

0:35

twenty barre knuckle fights before in my

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life and uh, I never got

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paid for none of them. So that's

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what we did back in Prince Orcani, Maryland, where

0:44

I grew up at. Uh it was just part of the culture

0:47

anyway. Got a former

0:49

boxing champ here, Pauli Mala

0:52

Nagi UM today it's

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just a UM was a great fighter,

0:56

great broadcast or two by the way,

0:59

and now's working B y B bare

1:01

knuckle boxing and they got a huge

1:03

event coming up, I believe sometime in July. So I'll

1:05

let him talk about it. But it's gonna

1:07

be great, man. We'll get into uh what happened

1:10

with my bare knuckle as well. Were

1:13

part of the country you are right now. I'm on

1:15

Florida, right, Oh, you're in Florida. Yeah,

1:18

I stay down here part of the time.

1:20

Actually it's been most of the time lately,

1:22

but but let's stay down here. Yeah.

1:25

So, so are they still holding the bare

1:27

knuckle down there? And um

1:30

yeah in Florida? Right, yeah, yeah they

1:32

do. Uh uh, I mean

1:34

a Florida one of the first days to open up to Bare Knuckle,

1:37

but not there's a there's a lot

1:39

of action but going on. You know, I just worked

1:41

on the y B Show last month

1:43

and I'm working in one next month as well.

1:45

Uh. So it's uh, it's getting a lot of popularity.

1:48

Is picking up a lot of steams down here, and I think

1:50

you can pick up a lot of momental see. But it's

1:52

really exciting way of fighting, you know, short fights,

1:55

a lot of blood, a lot of action, not

1:57

a lot of space in there, especially with B I B with

1:59

the trigonell. I mean about that because I'm trying

2:01

to So it's a it's

2:03

a triangle, right, it's a it's

2:05

a tring. It's a triangle with ropes, So

2:08

think about it. Think about a triangle. You know, when

2:10

you're in the corner of the ropes are kind of close to you, you

2:12

know, So it's not like a square where you

2:14

can kind of slide from one rope to the other and kind of get

2:17

yourself out of there. You're stuck on the corners,

2:19

in one of the corners, and a trygon it's a lot

2:21

more difficult to get out out of that corner

2:23

than it is being stuck in the corner in a

2:25

boxing ring. I mean, in the boxing ing is already diffult to

2:27

get out of the corner, but in a try gun it's even

2:29

harder because the ropes are tight in those corners, you know, I

2:31

mean, you have nowhere to go. You can't slide off

2:34

one side of the rope to the other. So what

2:36

I noticed with B y B the first

2:38

car I worked, every single fight ended in the knockout

2:41

because between the band uncles you see a lot

2:43

of blood, and the trygon

2:45

doesn't give you a lot of space for any kind of maneuverability,

2:49

you know, so you have to kind of know what you're doing

2:51

and then fight your way out of those problems, or

2:53

be smarter not get yourself into those problems, and not

2:55

get yourself backed up too much because the trygon.

2:58

Another thing about it is is not that big, so one too

3:00

steps backwards and all of a sudden getting close to

3:02

one of those three points in the ring in the try gone,

3:04

and then you've got a problem. So, uh, it

3:06

really was good action. I think it's

3:08

really good for this generation. This generation kind of has

3:10

that kind of has that it's a gratification.

3:14

You know, their smart phones, they want everything

3:16

at once. They don't have a lot of patients and

3:18

there's not a lot really a big feel out process

3:21

and the try goon. Uh, you don't really have a chance

3:23

to do that. You gotta get right to and you gotta get right the business.

3:25

So I think it's gonna have a lot of success,

3:28

not for sure if you think about it, because

3:30

of how it's how it was built. If

3:33

you do slide down, the rope is actually pushing

3:35

you back down to the middle. Yeah, I mean, then you've

3:37

got no joys but to fight. You know me, I'm

3:39

always a kind of guy even want to think my bare uncle, but

3:42

I'm the kind of got to use a lot of maneuverability and

3:44

ring generaship. You know. Um, if

3:46

I was to fight in a try Gone, I think somebody with my

3:48

style would have problems because the trygon

3:50

itself doesn't give you a lot of options

3:52

for that. You know. It's really a very unique

3:55

uh fighting surface, uh fighting

3:58

type of ring. You know. Um, it's

4:00

very unique and uh if you're

4:02

not there to fight, if you're there to the waste

4:05

time, you know, because again that's another thing in the ring,

4:07

in the in the circle that I bought in with the KFC.

4:10

Uh, in an octagon, you can maneuver a little bit

4:12

and waste some time. You know. You can pick your spots

4:14

to fighting and pick your spots to rest.

4:16

What I noticed about the Trigon is it didn't give

4:18

you a lot of thought that all those options. I

4:21

mean, you're kind of pushed into a situation

4:23

where you're either fighting or you're trapped.

4:25

And then when you're trapped, you're gonna have to fight anyway, but from

4:27

the worst position. No, and I'll

4:30

go back to even when you had you a bare knuckle,

4:32

do you think do you think bare knuckle is

4:34

more about skill or it's more about

4:36

because obviously you're you're a more skill fighter

4:39

when you when you had your last fight. Yeah, Um,

4:41

I think I think it's about skill. You

4:44

just it's just that, you

4:46

know, uh, you're dealing with the

4:48

fan base is a little bit stupid and and the judges

4:51

are a little bit stupid, you know, so they gotta kind of get

4:53

educated in the art of fist

4:55

to fifth hand to hand combat. You know. Uh.

4:58

Actually I'm doing them at the service by telling

5:00

a little bit stood actually really stupid they live.

5:03

They're the dumbest fans of sports. But and

5:05

then the obviously the dumbest judges too, because I

5:07

don't think that the fight I had even one hand

5:09

that I did break my hand, but I didn't think it was that difficult

5:11

to judge when I watched it over. Um,

5:13

I thought I wanted pretty easily, uh,

5:16

despite the fact that I had to fight in a more tactical

5:18

way because I ended up one handed. But regardless,

5:20

Um, it does take skill. I don't know if it's

5:22

gonna be appreciated, but it does take skill. I mean, you can

5:25

the ability to hit and not get hit. You

5:27

need that in any form of combat. You can't just walk

5:29

be a punching bag and just walk through shots, although

5:31

in bare knuckles the impact

5:34

is not as heavy as it is with boxing gloves.

5:36

And the reason I say this is because you

5:38

cannot load your shots consistently with a bare

5:40

nuncle fight. You are able to

5:42

load up your shots consistently with a small eight or

5:44

ten outs glove, where it's enough padding

5:46

to protect your hands but not enough

5:49

padding to protect the person getting

5:51

hit. So therefore it is I think there's more traumatic

5:53

brain injury risk in boxing and

5:55

professional boxing, and there is a bare nuncle. So you

5:57

do sometimes get the thing

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that some guys just want to walk through the shots, even if they're

6:02

gonna get caught up and beat up and and and it does make for

6:04

a lot of action. It's safer,

6:06

but it looks more brutal. And so I think from

6:08

that perspective and the fighters that fights

6:11

are quicker and you get more action

6:13

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live. When I signed on

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to do my my Barrey Nicle, fight. A couple of years

6:30

ago, I signed him to do the other

6:33

bullshit lead the b KFC another big

6:35

uh C but w b K. I

6:38

forgot what those plans were. They on Ken

6:40

Shack Yeah, no, no, not the one

6:42

with Ken Shamrock. It was another one that was gonna do that

6:45

was in Wyoming, right, so I

6:47

and I sned that was the first thing. So

6:49

I signed on to do that. And

6:51

obviously that there were a bunch of scumbags and promoter,

6:54

you know, the promoters and all that, the owners of the league,

6:57

um, and I end up suing them and actually you know one

6:59

and went after them. You know something,

7:01

you know, it's funny you mentioned that when I thought

7:03

the b KFC fight, I think everybody, everybody unfortunatelybody

7:06

gets grouped together. They had kind of given a bad

7:08

uncle a bad name, those promoters, and they said,

7:10

yo, make sure you get paid. A lot of guys didn't get paid. And

7:13

then the guy Dave felt and assured me that he was

7:15

like, NA, I'm not the same guy, I'm gonna pay you.

7:17

And they did pay me to their credit. But I

7:19

heard I heard about that promotion. Unfortunately gave that.

7:21

I gave the whole support up bad start. It was,

7:23

it was bad. Actually, they tried to lower

7:26

my pay fifty nine days

7:28

before the fight, so we already got a contract

7:31

for half a million dollars. So I said, okay, cool, I

7:33

was gonna fight Mike Board, right, So you

7:35

know me, I had plenty of big

7:37

bare knuckles, you know, for free. You know, I

7:39

mean the locker room video playing

7:41

over free. So in my head when everybody was asking

7:44

me about the bare knuckle, oh man, you're crazy, You're

7:46

crazy, I said, dude, I have been about twenty five

7:48

ofties in my life and I ain't got paid for none of them, right,

7:51

yeah, and honestly for me, And

7:54

that's why, and that's why I didn't like. I wasn't for

7:56

me. I wasn't. It was smart for me because I wasn't

7:58

gonna go find another boxer. I'm gonna

8:00

fight you know, guys. Look, he's older, he's an

8:02

old m m A guy. He's gonna big go these big,

8:04

wounding punches, and he's gonna move slow, and

8:07

I can move around him and get in and out of stuff and keep

8:09

my distes keep tagging off on him. So for me, I

8:11

was just like, I'm gonna just go and just mop this guy

8:13

up, get my half a million plus and just

8:16

walk out the door. It's light work for me. But

8:18

you know that whole thing I was like, people

8:21

want to understand on the on the bare knuckles

8:23

side, as tactical it is.

8:25

As tactical it is. You hit a guy

8:27

in the right spot, it don't take much, not

8:30

like, so you don't have to load up with him. Yeah.

8:32

And also I feel like in bare knuckles

8:34

you notice a lot of knockouts and aren't really knockouts.

8:37

What happens is I think the psychology of people getting

8:39

hit with bare hands, the blood, they they

8:41

psyche themselves out, you know what I mean. When

8:43

I was in there, even the shots that did

8:45

hit me, it wasn't that many, but it didn't me. I mean, I

8:47

felt like, honestly, I wasn't getting hit, and I felt

8:49

like, you know, it does not you know,

8:52

And like I said that, you know, like you said, I mean, you've

8:54

been in free fights. I've been in some street fights earlier

8:56

in my life too, you know, um my high school

8:58

days and especially I was on the smaller kid.

9:00

But but I mean, it's not anywhere

9:03

near the amount of pain that you feel

9:05

with a hounds glove. I mean those those shots gett loaded

9:08

off, those gotta know how to throw punches. Idea to me was

9:10

a whole different level of pain when

9:12

it was professional boxing, and I think the statistics

9:14

will show that because people actually die in professional

9:17

box people get traumatic injuries and professional boxing,

9:19

so for me, there's no violence like professional

9:21

boxing. But but it was a

9:23

situation where it's mostly m m

9:25

A fans, you know, And so because of the most

9:27

Amain fans I think about m m A fans is and

9:30

m A the emory culture is because their

9:32

support is mixed martial arts, they think they have

9:35

they hold they they kind of hold

9:37

the final call in anything

9:39

that has to do with combat. And when any what has

9:41

to do is punching and grappling and

9:43

whatever and whatever, boxing things

9:45

know that what they're talking about when it comes to hand

9:47

to hand combat. So the funny thing about

9:50

there was, you know, you

9:52

know, you see m A fans kind of trying to

9:54

be the bll ND goal when it comes to that for boxing. Fins will

9:57

know better if the fight, if fight goes to the ground and you don't see a box

9:59

ifin telling you all abou at it like you know what it's supposed to

10:01

be this way, this way, but you do seem main fans

10:03

assuming to know about the hand to hand

10:05

combat that boxers really understanding.

10:07

And I think that's where the whole, uh,

10:10

the whole lack of good judging came in my fight

10:12

and also the lack of you know, intelligent fans

10:14

you know, uh. But I do think when

10:17

it came to Baron uncle, they they had

10:19

something against me that because it was never main judges

10:21

unfortunately doesn't go into boxing, so they're

10:23

using main judges. And I feel like because

10:25

I abused their sport um, and I abused

10:28

their fans and say people that you know, they wanted

10:30

to kind of get me, and I gave them recently get me by letting

10:32

that fight be close, um, but all the day

10:34

was making abuse them more. I mean, you either know you

10:36

don't you know what I'm saying, like, you don't know what you're talking

10:38

about. But you know, when it came to that,

10:40

h did you find did you so? You

10:42

and you didn't end up getting to do it, That's what you're

10:45

saying. No, No, I never I never got

10:47

to do it, and thank god I didn't, because you know,

10:49

you go. First of all, I'm not getting on the plane

10:51

unless you know in my bank account,

10:53

like I'm not going nowhere. That that was it,

10:55

and that's that's what ultimately triggered me

10:58

not not having to fight, because you know, when they

11:00

told me why, I start getting word a few weeks

11:02

before the fight that these guys wasn't who

11:04

they who they say they were, And

11:06

so I said, you know what, let me let me check on this. So I had

11:09

them to try to put fifty of

11:11

the fight person in in that's

11:15

grow right, And so I said, you know, put it there and

11:17

then I'll get on the plane. And then that's when

11:19

they try to negotiate with me. And I said, guys,

11:21

it ain't it's not happening, mind you. I'm

11:24

spawring all professional boxers for

11:26

two months leading up to this. Man, at

11:28

that point, you've committed to the camp too, that's

11:30

right, you know, I'm spawing with James

11:33

the Beast Wilson. I got all these pros coming

11:36

in there, and these dudes are you know, they got fifty

11:39

plus fight till they go putt You're

11:41

putting in that work, right? And then and then what and

11:43

then for what? Right? You know, that's I always

11:45

can't stand when the thing to fall things fall out of the last

11:47

minute because you don't know the work you put in. Sometimes

11:50

in your mind you already already spending the money

11:52

in your mind, Like how we can't

11:55

stand that because then because then it just all comes

11:57

apart and it's never gonna hit your bain account. How

12:00

do you feel about what's what's going on with this? Uh,

12:03

this whole? Like I would do

12:05

you necessarily call it boxing with Jake Paul and everybody's

12:07

doing? I mean, do you do you classify that as boxing?

12:09

Though? Is that like a freak show? You know? At

12:11

first I said, you know, when it's a niche um

12:14

if they generate the money to deserve the money, right,

12:16

which which general gen con generally

12:18

speak. Yeah, that's capitalism. You know, if you generate

12:20

the money, you know, you're allowed you you're supposed

12:22

to be paying that money. Right. It's not

12:24

fair, No, it's not fair as far

12:26

as if you live in a fail world.

12:28

The guys who work harder and put in the work and

12:31

all the better fighters get should get paid that

12:33

much, of course, But unfortunately

12:35

life is not fair, and uh, unfortunately

12:38

the high skill

12:40

fighters cannot

12:42

be appreciated this same way.

12:44

There's always the sayings told me ignorance.

12:47

Ignorance cannot appreciate that. If you take me to

12:49

an art museum, I'll see a bunch of paints on the

12:51

wall. Sometimes they just throw a bunch of paint on the wall. Obvious

12:53

that's on art, you know what I mean. And somebody talk you have that paintings

12:55

work whatever, And for me, I don't get. I don't get how good

12:57

you know. So so there's the same thing. Will combat supports

13:00

I think the ly level of combat supports sometimes

13:02

it's not appreciated because people are too stupid

13:04

to appreciate it. And so you know when

13:06

you got a Jake Paul and you got uh the logan

13:08

Paul and you got up these YouTubers now, because

13:10

I'll tell you what I could have. I could

13:12

be okay with the log with the Paul brothers. They've got years

13:15

into this now. But now it's like every

13:17

social media guy he's got a little

13:19

bit of a following, he's now wants looking

13:21

to fight because they realize it's like the most popular

13:23

kid in of high school fighting the other popular kid in high school.

13:26

Nobody cares about the nerd, even if he's got a black

13:28

black brother, and you just but the two more five ular

13:30

kids in the school of fighting after school, the whole school's

13:32

gonna be talking about it, right, So this is kind

13:34

of like a high school mentality where these kids,

13:36

these guys have a following.

13:39

It doesn't matter if they can't fight. They got into

13:41

five people want to see it, you know, they just go

13:43

and find another celebrity. Doesn't even have to be a boxing

13:45

which most of the time it's not even another boxes

13:47

and uh and all of a sudden, you know, you got

13:50

fights that people want to watch, and you've got

13:52

on the other end, these world class fighters battling

13:54

with each other risk in their lives. You know, you can

13:56

clearly see the talent if there's somebody like me who

13:58

understands the talent level, but people can't

14:00

appreciate it enough to order it and watch it. You know, so it's

14:03

generating more money again, dumb generations,

14:05

stuper generation. You know. So, um,

14:07

do I think it's gonna last? I mean it

14:09

may last for a while. I mean, you got had one of these guys

14:11

who actually started thinking he's got Corey p actually

14:13

started with me. He's like a TikTok or a YouTuber

14:16

and had a radio radio show in New York and I

14:19

feel like, uh, it's not gonna

14:21

go away until somebody hurts one of these guys. Hey

14:23

so so so tell me, man, what what's to tell me

14:25

a little bit about the next event? Do you all got coming up? It's

14:27

kind of four long ago in July the sixteen.

14:29

Uh, all I can tell people is right

14:32

now. Obviously band uncles new, uh

14:34

b y p is new, but the band uncle,

14:36

the sport of band uncle boxing has picked up a lot of

14:38

momentum. A lot of people didn't literally believe in it

14:40

when it first came out. You know, they started having these

14:42

fights like now it's kind of it's kind

14:44

of uh dated, you know they

14:46

were doing a hundred years ago and after it's moved on. But

14:50

you know something, and I said, I think it's really

14:53

really good for the modern generation. Why

14:55

do I say that? Because the modern generation

14:57

wants that instant gratification, They want

14:59

that sue, that that that

15:01

that instant result. They don't want to sit

15:03

through a fight where people have to

15:06

kind of uh kind of uh,

15:08

you know, you have the patience to see

15:10

it on fold and understand attack of

15:12

the aspect of it. They don't understand that and they don't know

15:14

that. Um. But either

15:17

way, if you look up B y B B

15:19

y B bare knuckle extreme bare Nuncle on

15:22

July sixteen, I'm sure it'll

15:24

it'll come up in your search engine. But it's

15:27

quick fights. I mean it's supposed to be five

15:29

rounds, but the show I work,

15:31

none of them last than five rounds. That try Gon is

15:33

a crazy, crazy thing place to fight in. Man,

15:35

I'm telling you, okay, hey, al right, my

15:38

dude. I appreciate you coming old man. I'll let

15:40

you get back to doing your thing. I appreciate you. Sean,

15:42

Thank you, man, thank you. Thanks

15:46

guys, listening to another lights out podcast

15:48

me Sean Ramon and uh,

15:51

how was that? You know? The uh, the

15:53

bare knuckle look. You know,

15:56

even though you know I have lights of extremee fighting and

15:58

obviously I'm always talking to with me and uh,

16:00

I also love boxing, you know.

16:02

I look at barre knuckle is is a

16:06

you know, you gotta have a stomach for this. It's one of these

16:08

things that if you'd like to see it and

16:10

and and you like to see uh,

16:13

you know the viciousness of the sport. Then

16:15

you know a lot of people watch it. You know, it's it's

16:18

also funny what to hear PAULI talk about,

16:20

you know, Jake paul and when he thinks about the boxing

16:22

world and how he looked at him

16:24

and make fighters and so forth. So that

16:27

was great, man. I appreciate Pauli for coming on. So

16:29

thank you guys for listening to another lights Out podcast

16:31

and me Sean Merriman and uh we'll

16:34

be back with another next week. Thank you, require

16:36

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