0:00

Let's get right into lines and Tynes, I'm

0:02

Spencer. My buddy Wes Logan from the bass

0:04

Master Elites joins us, you haven't really

0:06

had anything going on this month.

0:08

Yeah, no, it's been.

0:09

It's been real docile, not a whole lot

0:11

going on. Been at home, just sitting around, not doing

0:13

anything.

0:13

All right, Can we actually talk about the boat

0:16

accident because I've heard you on different

0:18

podcasts and social posts and all that kind

0:20

of stuff, and you were definitely doing the pr

0:22

thing where you were like, you know, you were giving

0:25

a little bit away, but you were also holding some

0:27

things back.

0:28

So tell me exactly what happened.

0:31

Se Yeah, basically, so in a

0:34

short, long story short, I'm not gonna make

0:36

it short, but basically, I was running from one

0:38

spot to the other on Champlain the day

0:40

two morning, around nine am, and

0:43

I go to take off, and I mean the waves aren't

0:45

big. They're probably foot and a half

0:47

maybe two footers on, which is not anything

0:50

crazy up north. And I

0:52

take off and I'm running maybe fifty fifty

0:54

two, but I've got my nose down and

0:57

the waves are just far enough or just close enough

0:59

that they're kind of eating me up a little bit. So

1:01

I just picked the nose up a little bit, which, in turn,

1:03

if you've ever driven a boat, lets the boat speed

1:05

up a little bit. So I'm running probably fifty

1:07

eight, maybe sixty, just kind of cruising

1:10

across top the waves. And I got

1:12

hammered a little bit for going, you know, ninety

1:14

five in those conditions whatever. My boat

1:16

won't even go close to what people think it will speed

1:18

wise. But so I'm just I had kind

1:20

of gotten on top of the waves just

1:23

just because, I mean, it's a smoother ride

1:25

like you're not. I mean, I know how to drive above

1:27

and driving a boat longer than I've been driving a vehicle.

1:31

And all I can remember is I'm bouncing across

1:33

the top of those waves, and all of a sudden, I come off of one

1:35

and I hit the other one, and my boat,

1:37

the nose of my boat just kicks straight up,

1:39

and I don't really know what happened,

1:42

Like I obviously I felt something, and I knew

1:44

I've been driving that boat for five years. I mean,

1:46

I've only been in that boat since I've been on the Elites,

1:48

and I knew something happened that wasn't

1:50

supposed to, and I knew I was going to have a hard impact

1:53

when I hit the water, but I mean, I'm just

1:55

bracing for a hard hit and just to keep on rolling.

1:57

And obviously when the boat hits the water,

1:59

for whoever seeing the video, it obviously

2:01

takes a one to eighty and throws me around

2:03

a good bit. And at some point

2:05

in time between that the nose

2:08

of the boat going airborne and me hitting

2:10

the water, the engine breaks

2:12

loose from the back of the boat, and that's

2:14

where all the throwing around and the boat getting

2:16

spun around obviously comes from. A

2:19

head gets you know, thrown into the side

2:21

of the gun or two or three times. Bust

2:23

my head, bust my chin, bust all my teeth

2:25

on the bottom left side of my you

2:28

know, jaw, stuff like that, a

2:30

lot of blood kind of kind

2:33

of threw it, didn't knock me out, kind of threw me for a loop

2:35

for a minute. In the video, I take my life

2:37

jacket off. But I think I think that was

2:39

just habit of me standing up like

2:42

it was just everybody was bashing

2:44

me about that too. I'm like, man, I did that unconsciously,

2:46

Like I didn't even realize I did it.

2:47

I mean, at some point when I looked at the

2:49

video, you looked like

2:52

you were, I mean literally

2:54

in a fight with Mike Tyson. You got punched

2:56

right in the mouth in the square. So then you're

2:58

like probably days you seeing stars.

3:01

So I never, like I said, I never got knocked

3:03

out. I've never I never saw stars. And

3:05

playing football in high school, like dude, I got rocked

3:07

like so many times, like hit way harder

3:09

than that.

3:10

But what I didn't.

3:11

Get like shook up, and I never like lost my train

3:14

of thought what I needed to do. But I can

3:16

remember in the video when I stand up and that

3:18

first you know, instance of me grabbing my head.

3:20

I can remember like the end of the section,

3:23

last of your finger is what I could feel.

3:25

Like my head busted open. I'm like, ah, that ain't

3:27

good. And that's it.

3:28

Like when I felt that I saw the engine

3:30

about the same time gone, I took

3:33

my life. I got off, grabbed my phone, was trying to wipe

3:35

it off from the water.

3:36

Thank god.

3:37

I don't know how my phone stayed in the boat, Like

3:39

it just sits in the cup holder beside me, like it's

3:41

not attached to anything.

3:43

Down your throttle.

3:44

Yeah, so the skeeter has as we have a cup

3:46

holder, like to the right of the seat, like right beside

3:48

the gear shift, and I mean it's just sitting

3:51

there.

3:51

If you were on the left side, that thing's gone though.

3:53

Yeah, yeah, absolutely the way the boat got thrown

3:55

and maybe that's what saved at the boat getting thrown

3:57

to the right kept it, you know, against the tea, the

4:00

seat.

4:00

It's got a lot of things that it kind of has to get through.

4:02

But it's crazy.

4:03

Like my phone has no case on it, no nothing, and

4:05

it was sitting in water in the cup hoolder. I just grabbed it,

4:07

started wiping it off, uh, started

4:09

making the phone calls. But but I

4:12

never, like I said, I never really

4:14

lost my Like I was thinking perfectly

4:16

clear and even talking to Lisa later,

4:19

talking to her, everybody I talked here, they're like you

4:21

were talking normally, like pretty like

4:23

level headed of what's going on, what we.

4:24

Need to do, all that stuff. But

4:27

the worst go ahead.

4:28

I'll tell you what's crazy was watching

4:30

the video of the accident and

4:32

then Riley, your wife who puts

4:34

up a lot of your social media stuff, shares

4:37

a video of you and the ambulance. Those

4:40

are two completely different people because

4:43

in the boat, like you just got into

4:45

an accident, and it it looks gnarly.

4:47

Yah, But when you're in the ambulance, I mean you

4:49

look like you just like

4:52

you.

4:52

Got lit up, like I got drugged down the highway,

4:55

Like the blood was all.

4:56

Just coming from your head, like it was that bad.

4:59

Yeah.

4:59

My chin, my head were the worst. My chin was bleeding

5:01

a lot worse than I than I really realized. And

5:04

I didn't until right before they got to

5:06

pick me up. I didn't even realize my chin had been busted

5:08

open. I guess everything else was kind of

5:10

The head was obviously the worst part, but in

5:13

a non graphic way. Every time I

5:15

would take that rag off my head, it would shoot across

5:17

the deck of my boat, like just I could not get.

5:19

It to stall.

5:20

How long until somebody came out and got you?

5:22

An hour? Wow, I was there for an hour.

5:24

And it's not anybody's fault.

5:26

Because I just trying to explain where you're at.

5:28

I was trying to figure out to get everybody realized where

5:30

I was at. And initially

5:32

the only really boat that we had there was

5:35

the service crew boat, the Texas Boat world Boat,

5:37

and there was a little bit of translation

5:40

issue, like nobody realized it was an accident.

5:42

They thought I'd broke down, so they

5:44

were like, there wasn't a sense of urgency.

5:47

Like we'll get out there to him.

5:48

And then all of a sudden, Riley gets over there and

5:51

shows them I'd sent her a picture of my head, and

5:53

it like everybody's gears changed, like everybody

5:56

got into gear and they got out there to me.

5:58

But well, then I heard that.

5:59

You had hit a floating boat

6:01

dock, like one of the platforms.

6:03

Yeah, so what

6:05

what everybody thinks happened is when

6:08

when I hit that final wave and like

6:10

I was telling you, my boat kicked up like I thought

6:12

it wasn't supposed to Like in my mind, I don't think

6:14

it was supposed to do that. From what they

6:16

found the floating platform

6:19

they found, it looked like that I had hit it long

6:21

ways and like split the two

6:23

it was two by six's and had split them kind of into

6:25

a V.

6:26

Like basically I ramped it.

6:28

Because I was hoping that they were going to have a picture of

6:30

the boat ramp or the platform and all

6:32

that.

6:33

Kind of stuff.

6:34

I haven't seen it. They said that they went and got

6:36

it. But when you got to remember when all this is going down.

6:38

I'm getting sewn up in the hospital,

6:40

like just trying to I'm like, I

6:42

can remember my head getting like burnt because

6:44

they're trying to burn the blood vessel because it won't quit

6:46

bleeding.

6:46

You're not out there doing the first forty eight. Like,

6:49

let me piece things together.

6:50

I'm just worried about I'm talking to I'm

6:52

talking to Pa Jack right there. Just I'm like, buddy,

6:54

you gotta get me back on the water, like I gotta, I

6:57

got stuff I got to do.

6:59

Well.

6:59

I'm happy good.

7:00

You know, obviously I was trying

7:03

to trade some text message with you and call

7:05

you in all that kind of stuff. But I also knew,

7:07

like what I was seeing on social media, I'm late. He's

7:09

got bigger fish to fry.

7:10

It was.

7:11

It was a whirlwind of three or four

7:13

days.

7:14

Well, congrats, you've sold more leashes for

7:16

DD twenty six than probably anybody

7:19

ever responsible in bass fishing.

7:20

Yeah.

7:21

So, actually Precision SNAr is

7:23

who owns the leash. Okay, DD

7:26

twenty six works with Precisions Soar and helps

7:28

them sell some stuff, But the actual company that sells

7:30

the leash is Precision Soar. And

7:33

I told I'm buddies with the guy, because

7:35

I've had one on my boat for like five years, but you never,

7:37

like I put one on every time I get a new boat, but

7:39

you never think like it's just I'm gonna

7:41

put this on because I've had it on, Like you never think you're gonna

7:43

need it until you need it, obviously, but I

7:46

definitely uh looking at how the engine

7:48

come off, and that was That's another thing. The

7:50

only thing that was holding that engine to my boat

7:52

was one steering cable and.

7:54

That leash and that crazy.

7:55

And what a lot of people don't understand is in

7:57

an insurance situation, if you don't have the

8:00

that you don't get anything. You have to recover that

8:02

for they ever will do anything. And

8:05

I promise you had one hundred and fifty foot of water, You're

8:07

not getting that one back.

8:09

So so I bless that steering cable.

8:11

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

8:13

But no, my phone blew up. People

8:15

were like, hey, do you see what happened?

8:17

West?

8:17

And I'm like yeah, And obviously because of

8:19

this podcast, they were asking me like if

8:21

you.

8:21

Talk to him, what's the deal?

8:22

And I go, the man's in the hospital, Like

8:24

I'll yeah, I'll connect

8:26

with him.

8:27

I don't.

8:27

I don't think they'll. I think the first of the thing

8:29

from his mind is let me call Spencer and just

8:31

talk to him real quick. But I

8:34

was getting phone calls from people and they're like, dude, I'm buying

8:36

a leash today, And then they were

8:38

sending me pictures of my leash just showed

8:40

up.

8:40

And then they're putting it on their boat and I don't have

8:42

one on mine.

8:43

Yeah, I would really as a

8:45

as a buddy, I would really rather especially running

8:48

around here, like I mean, I run around here,

8:50

and I didn't buy it for I thought I was gonna hit

8:52

something in the middle of the light, like i'd buy all right,

8:54

I got it because I run some sketchy stuff

8:56

shallow.

8:57

Yeah, because that's just the way I fish.

8:59

And you never think about like you're

9:01

gonna hit it out in the middle of basically the ocean.

9:03

But and thinking back

9:05

on it, like everybody couldn't have been a floating platform.

9:08

Well, I talked to five different anglers

9:10

that morning that ran by one and they were all different

9:13

ones in different areas of the lake. Yeah, Like people

9:15

don't realize how bad that tropical storm came

9:17

through that that day.

9:18

They canceled there's a lot of people don't even realize

9:20

that was what.

9:21

It was incredible, how bad the wind was,

9:23

the weather, it was literally I've been in a hurricane when

9:25

it hit in Florida and it was practically the same

9:27

thing. It was pretty sketchy, Like I thought our camper

9:30

was gonna flip over.

9:30

It was. It was really bad, but it was just

9:33

a freak thing. But like I've told

9:35

everybody.

9:35

If dude, you went back and fished, had.

9:37

To, man, you got no choice.

9:39

So how many fish did you have in the live one

9:41

four? You had four, so you needed five really.

9:44

Absolutely, And what people don't understand about

9:46

Champlaine is like three ounces is like

9:48

five or ten places.

9:49

Sure, like it's huge.

9:50

And I knew, like even if I could go back out there

9:52

and catch well just a keeper,

9:55

like it's gonna give me, you know, saving because I had

9:57

a really good first day and I thought, if

9:59

I could catch seventeen the second day, I was in the cut

10:01

hands down, it wasn't even gonna be no question. And

10:04

to get be able to everything line

10:06

up and then get me back out there, and and Texas

10:08

Boat World have that boat allowed me to go back

10:11

out there, and I just I knew

10:13

I had one place I could go to. I didn't think they would be

10:15

big, but I had one place pretty close. I thought I could

10:17

get a bite, and I ran straight to it,

10:19

and I put the troull motor down in my third cast

10:22

called a three pounter, so like, so there's

10:24

five, there's my five, and I'll be honest, no,

10:27

no, I caught two, but they weren't. I'm

10:30

gonna be honest with you. Once I caught that first one and

10:32

got five, of the adrenaline was completely gone. Huh,

10:35

and I was I was struggling pretty bad.

10:37

Yeah.

10:37

I was kind of like not there for the next hour,

10:40

and I was like, I got to get back to the ramp,

10:42

like.

10:42

I'm not doing good. I'm dizzy, like my head's

10:44

killing me.

10:46

How did you finish that day, sixtieth?

10:49

How did you finished for the tournament?

10:51

I finished it.

10:52

I finished the tournament, Okay, I had fifteen

10:54

fourteen is what I ended up having. The fish was actually

10:56

two fourteen, but I mean I caught it. The three founder

11:00

were going back and looking at the points it

11:02

gained me twenty seven points. I

11:04

would have finished in eighty seventh, finished in sixtieth

11:07

and with the way everything played out at Saint.

11:09

Lawrence, I would have tied.

11:12

If I hadn't went out there and caught that fish, I would have been

11:14

tied for the final spot in the Classic

11:16

cut.

11:18

And we don't know if I do. We haven't done the

11:20

numbers on.

11:20

The tiebreaker yet, obviously, but still,

11:23

the amount of how

11:25

important that two fourteen was was incredible.

11:28

And you know, I was obviously, with

11:31

us being friends, I obviously speak really

11:33

highly about you to everybody, but

11:36

I immediately said, that's the most badass

11:38

student fishing. Yeah, and I

11:40

know you're not gonna I know you're going to take that allay.

11:42

That's nice to say, I mean, but like

11:44

I was on the podcast from Mercer the

11:46

next morning or the two days after, and he was like,

11:48

Man, why'd you like you so toub? I was like, Man,

11:51

I didn't do it for me, like I did it for

11:53

like my sponsors, Riley,

11:55

my parents, like you, like

11:57

all the support from people that I know how

12:00

important that Classic is to get to. From a

12:02

from a support standpoint, from a you know, a sponsorship

12:04

standpoint, Well do we've

12:06

worked all year for this and we're gonna let this kind

12:08

of keep us down?

12:09

No?

12:09

Man, I ain't not yetitude because

12:12

if you think about like somebody who goes to

12:14

work. Let's say just somebody goes to work, they have a freak

12:16

accident, right, they get workman's comp

12:18

they're off for the day.

12:19

Yeah, you don't do that.

12:21

No, we don't get well.

12:22

I mean, the

12:24

bass can't just give me the twenty seven points.

12:27

They're like, oh, well, you can't go back out there. We'll give you.

12:29

But that's why you're such a badass when it comes

12:32

to getting back out in the water. Because there's plenty

12:34

of people in other professional sports. Like

12:36

when you hear about a guy having turf toe and he can't

12:38

play this Sunday. Yeah, you sit there and you're

12:40

like, yeah, but Wes Logan can smash

12:43

his face into the gunnel of a boat, go

12:45

to the hospital.

12:46

Get stitches, jack up his entire

12:49

face, his head still still

12:51

jack up.

12:52

I mean, and that's lasting. I mean, this

12:54

is this is a stark reminder of like the season's

12:57

over. So you did all these things to get

12:59

one fish. That's all you needed was two pounds fourteen

13:01

ounces, get you twenty seven points, put

13:03

you in a better situation. There's a lot of guys

13:05

that would have been like, I'm just done. I'm not even

13:08

thinking about what the outcome campassiblely be.

13:10

Yeah.

13:10

I mean I had some really good buddies that called me and were checking

13:13

on me out because obviously nobody knew what happened, like

13:15

till after weigh in and they come

13:17

over to the camper and they're like.

13:18

There ain't no way in hell I would have went back

13:20

out there.

13:20

I'm like, well, dude, looking at all the circumstances,

13:23

like, how could you not If you're a competitor

13:26

and you really like your heart and souls

13:28

in this, why would you not go back out there?

13:30

Like the job's not finished.

13:31

I do kind of love the idea that you're in the middle of

13:33

nowhere in New York and you're like, well, I'm

13:36

here, so I guess I might as well fish.

13:37

Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, what was I gonna do? Just

13:40

go sit around? Like if I if I could stand

13:42

up. I said a quote to somebody I think it

13:44

was on I don't remember what it was on, but like

13:46

I think it came from like growing up in football

13:49

and my dad coaching me and my football coaches,

13:51

like if you're not dead on the field,

13:53

get up, that's right, And that was another like,

13:55

if you're not dead, go back out there and fish

13:57

like you owe it to everybody else.

13:59

So obviously you to find a clip of whoever said

14:01

that, and you're gonna have to make

14:03

that a big part of your twenty twenty five campaign

14:06

because you are you're now the poster

14:08

child for bad things

14:10

happening on.

14:11

The water, but also the grit and.

14:13

The resiliency for you to get back out there

14:15

and continue to compete, and not only

14:17

that, people do forget kind

14:19

of.

14:20

There was another tournament after that, immediately

14:23

right into it.

14:23

I mean, so you had no break, no downtime,

14:26

nothing to get yourself healthy, and then.

14:28

You got to roll into that.

14:29

Yeah, so we started practice

14:32

that next Tuesday, But like

14:34

so Saturday was obviously the

14:37

Sunday the day after that, I

14:40

went and got on FS one when Mercer went

14:42

and worked Yamaha booth. All at this

14:44

time trying to figure out how I'm gonna get a boat for Saint

14:46

Lawrence and dealing

14:49

with the insurance companies and all that, which is a whole different

14:51

stuffy.

14:51

Bucks Island was so good, do they were?

14:53

Bucks Island was good.

14:54

Everybody that was a part of it, like I would

14:57

never have been in the situation I was

14:59

without all the help from it, like Bucks is on Texas

15:01

Boat World, Skeeter Yamaha,

15:03

like everybody.

15:05

If I didn't think that you'd feel bad getting

15:07

caught dead in the Phoenix, I would have run.

15:08

My boat up for you.

15:09

And you have no idea how many people said I will

15:11

be that, I will drive all night to bring.

15:13

You my boat. And I'm like, man, we can we can handle

15:15

it. We got it.

15:16

We got I got a lot of people up here that are taking

15:18

care of me. But it uh that

15:21

that Saint Lawrence week was was very

15:23

trying, just not even really.

15:26

I mean I was.

15:26

I mean I told her, I said, I'm just gonna

15:28

practice like light, I'll just chill out.

15:30

Well obviously that did.

15:31

I got out there and it was daylight that she was like, are you coming

15:33

in? I'm like, there's three more hours of daylight. I'm just stay

15:35

out here. But just all

15:37

the external stuff that was going on, and

15:40

then had some adversity

15:42

on day one with the borrowed boat battery

15:44

situation.

15:45

And I'm like, man, this can't be happening.

15:46

And they caught them way better than I thought they

15:48

would we dropped it. It kind of

15:50

got kind of sketchy right there on the

15:53

night of day one looking at the points for day two.

15:55

But you know, the Good Lord bless us on day two to

15:57

go out there and catch a really good bag.

16:00

But not trying to make

16:03

excuses.

16:03

But from that accident, all

16:06

the way up until Monday, I've

16:08

really not had gotten any rest at all because I

16:10

wasn't gonna come home because of the MPFL

16:12

at Saginaw. Ended up having to drive

16:14

home twenty hours to pick up another

16:17

boat, got to stay home for two days,

16:19

get it rid get it way I needed it for

16:21

Saganaw, turn around, drove another fourteen

16:23

hours back up to Saginaw fish that

16:25

whole tournament. Finally got home Sunday,

16:27

late Sunday night and got in to rest

16:30

a little bit. The next you know, the

16:32

next couple of days we've had here.

16:33

So I just turned the microphone over to Riley and

16:35

she shook her head like I don't want to be on this. Riley

16:37

is your wife, Riley, You're a big part of this story

16:40

though. So when he calls you, what

16:43

does he say to you when the accident.

16:44

Happened, I'm hurt,

16:47

really bad.

16:48

And how do you as his wife?

16:50

I mean, you guys are in your first year of marriage, you've been together

16:52

for a while, but what goes through your

16:55

mind when you hear that.

16:58

Well, as a nurse, I'm just like, okay,

17:00

well I need to get to him. Where is he? So ask

17:02

Hi where he is? He says, he's out in the middle of the lake. I'm

17:05

like, okay, well, what's hurt? He said? My head?

17:07

I said, do you have something to put on it? He's

17:09

like, yeah, I have a rag. I'm like, okay, well we'll

17:11

figure out.

17:12

Covered in grease too, by the way, yeah,

17:15

but a.

17:15

Bunch of eggs.

17:18

So then I just knew it was my duty

17:20

to try to figure out how to get him back to shore.

17:23

When you see him, when you finally you lay

17:26

eyes on him, it was.

17:28

About like I expected, because I knew he

17:30

was down playing it a lot, and

17:33

I just I'm I mean, being in the profession

17:35

I'm in, I know, like kids bleed

17:37

a lot. Yeah, I mean it was what I expected.

17:39

I think everybody else was like freaking out

17:41

and big eyed.

17:42

But dude, when I pulled up to that dot,

17:45

that was like fifteen people stand there and it was

17:47

like they had seen a goat.

17:49

Everybody was just silent.

17:51

I was like, God, but I can imagine like coming

17:53

in it because when I the worst part about

17:55

it was when Jackie came and got me

17:57

from texta boat where with his boat. I got

18:00

in his boat and drove myself back in

18:03

like seven minutes, and I

18:05

couldn't hold my hand on my head

18:07

anymore because of the ways were beating

18:09

me up so bad. So it was coming on and off and

18:11

there was like a blood tornado around.

18:14

Oh my god, and everything like I could see

18:16

Plattsburgh and everything started getting kind of quiet,

18:18

and my head was I was like, I've got to get to that ramp

18:20

for I'm about to I'm literally about to pass out. And

18:22

I got to the ramp or the dog and I just remember

18:25

everybody. I could barely see people because of all the blood,

18:27

and they were just like And then

18:29

the MT got to hold up me, and I was like, how long

18:31

is this gonna take? Oh, It's gonna be a wow.

18:34

Riley does a lot of your social stuff,

18:36

probably ninety eight percent of it. You did a great

18:38

job documenting everything. I know, I kind

18:40

of told you that before we got into this, but during

18:43

it too, being able to play

18:45

that stuff out like you're taking video in the ambulance.

18:47

Well, I mean that was the most chaotic scene I think

18:50

I've ever seen in my life. But

18:52

then you know, watching him go back

18:54

down the ramp and then getting back on a boat

18:56

going out and to compete, like you guys

18:58

played the story out perfect because there

19:01

were so many people that wanted to know.

19:02

So kudos to you on that, righty.

19:05

She was she was literally the the what

19:07

held everything together. She was the calmst she got

19:09

it was getting people in line, So shout out

19:11

to her. Her And I mean, obviously Lisa

19:14

called Lisa right

19:16

off the bat called Lisa, then called Riley.

19:19

When I called my dad and got

19:21

we were they were all just trying to figure out how

19:23

to get to get McGinn or Doug.

19:25

Right, yeah, what did Doug say? Doug

19:28

with Doug kind of like, I said, what the

19:30

hell is going on? I said, he.

19:32

Said, I was.

19:33

I was when I was caught angel. He's like,

19:36

hell, I said, hey, we got a

19:38

problem. I've wacked blah blah blah

19:40

blah.

19:40

What hell you mean?

19:41

You wreck?

19:42

You?

19:42

Okay, I'm like I'm fine, I'm fine, I said, I just

19:44

need to get a boat out here. To me, like I'm

19:46

busting up a little bit, but I need to get another boat

19:48

so I can fish. I ain't got before. And

19:51

I just kept telling everybody I've only got four I can

19:53

fish.

19:53

I'm fine. Just wrap it up and obviously

19:55

what it was worse than that.

19:57

But would best not let you go unless the

19:59

doctor said that you were cleared.

20:00

Yes, I had to get the PA. What

20:02

was a PA? A physician to system.

20:05

He had to get on the phone with Lisa and okay

20:08

me to be able to go operate a vessel

20:10

during tournament.

20:11

Out, I have to slide him like fifty bucks, like, dude,

20:13

I really need you.

20:14

Man.

20:14

I didn't.

20:14

I didn't give them anything, but dude, they were

20:17

like they like missed some of their lunch breaks to get

20:19

me going.

20:19

And it was, man.

20:21

Once I got in there and I kind of explained to him

20:23

what was going on, they were like they kicked it

20:25

into another gear and it was. It was pretty

20:27

incredible. And I basically owe everything

20:29

to them because they did. I mean, it was all I couldn't

20:31

have done it.

20:32

I'm glad, you're good. I'm glad everything worked

20:34

out. I mean, obviously it was a kaout a couple of

20:36

weeks, almost three weeks for you, and it really

20:38

probably hasn't slown down. I do want

20:40

to switch gears though, because I want to talk about the mpfl's.

20:43

Decision and bass Master's decision.

20:45

For forward facing sonar known as

20:48

FFS as I like to call it, after the

20:50

year that everybody has talked about it, for fuck's

20:52

sake, that is

20:54

honestly like, finally, now we have

20:56

some information. MLF still hasn't

20:59

made a decision yet, but MPFL

21:02

has decided to ban it completely. Now

21:04

this is this is a business move

21:06

for them, one hundred percent. This has nothing to do

21:08

with the sanctity of fishing and you

21:11

know what it takes.

21:12

To be an angler and all that kind of stuff. They're

21:14

doing that move.

21:15

You can tell me if I'm wrong, but they're doing that

21:17

move because they're trying to attract to

21:20

a different fishermen

21:23

who might have been on bass Master, might

21:25

have been at MLF is discouraged

21:27

with what's happening in those organizations,

21:29

and they go, look, why don't you come over here, we're

21:31

not doing live scope and then

21:33

come fish with us. Because they

21:36

were the last one to the sponsorship bowl.

21:38

MLF had already secured some sponsorship. Same

21:41

with Bass. They got to do something that separates

21:43

themselves. I think it's a brilliant strategy.

21:45

Yeah yeah, And.

21:47

Obviously there was a lot of reasonings

21:49

going into it, but I mean it ultimately,

21:51

at the end of the day, all the guys at the NFL

21:54

thought it was their best business decision

21:56

move, and you can't knock them for it.

21:59

They they they benefit off

22:01

of guys like you, Joseph Webster,

22:03

John Cox, Kyle Welcher.

22:06

They benefit off of pros fishing

22:08

that trail because it gets a

22:10

lot of eyes on their product.

22:12

Yeah.

22:12

Yeah, So if they can go to like let's say, the

22:14

seven.

22:15

Guys who are no longer on bass

22:17

because they didn't qualify, and they go, hey,

22:20

you may not have qualified, you might not have liked what was

22:22

over there. There's a lot of things that you have to do

22:24

as an angler that you may not love because

22:26

you're with BASS or you're with MLF.

22:29

Come over here. We're not allowing Ford

22:31

facing sonar. We're giving you an opportunity

22:33

to just be an angler. You put five thousand dollars

22:36

up, you can win one hundred grand. It's the same

22:38

exact set up and payout really

22:41

at the top.

22:42

Yeah, yeah, down the lines a little bit

22:44

light payout wise, but

22:46

you know, they asked me my opinion,

22:49

and I think a couple other guys told them

22:51

the same thing is what do you really have to lose from

22:54

a And they're nothing to lose, and

22:56

they do care about the integrity of it and all

22:58

that because they kind of see business

23:02

wise, like you know, industry wise,

23:04

kind of where it's going. And I don't care what people says.

23:06

It's not good for the industry, tackle industry.

23:09

I work with a bunch of companies tackle

23:11

wise. Rod wise sales are not great.

23:13

Yeah, heartbeats, plastics

23:16

like like flipping baits, jig trailers.

23:18

I mean, I work real close with Zoom, I have my whole

23:20

career. It's not good as

23:23

far as everything else. Obviously they've come out with

23:25

a Menno bait, but all everything else,

23:27

crank baits, top waters like that's not

23:29

buzz bait, spinner baits, that's not happening on

23:32

even bait casters. It's not It

23:34

is not very good. I don't think people realize how bad

23:36

it is. But again, back to

23:38

the NPFL deal they did Brad Sean,

23:41

Mike, you know Paul. They

23:43

all did what they thought was the best thing to do for

23:45

their company. And I

23:48

heard Welcher say this, and I respect Welter

23:50

a lot because he has a very level headed mind. They

23:52

didn't just go out on a whim and make

23:54

a decision overnight. This has been thought

23:56

through, thought through. They have not put their

23:59

all their time and effort into these four years for

24:01

it to just them to just throw it away

24:03

on making one decision. So they have

24:05

made what they thought was best. I was gonna I'm gonna

24:07

fish with them, whether they kept it took

24:10

it away, whatever I really.

24:11

Am as an angler, why do you fish

24:13

with them?

24:14

I just really enjoy fishing the trail. For

24:16

one thing, I like fishing more. This year

24:18

I fished more tournaments, obviously, and I feel

24:21

like it's made men better angler. But once

24:24

I actually got to fish their first tournament, saw how

24:26

they did things, saw how they

24:28

reacted to certain situations that

24:30

come up during the year, really impressed

24:33

me. How they react to things immediately,

24:35

they make a decision right then. Really

24:38

like that from a leadership standpoint. With them,

24:42

just a very enjoyable trail to fish.

24:44

I think there's a lot of good that the MPFL does.

24:46

I like their decision that they made because

24:49

I look at it from the business side, which is you're

24:51

attracting a different group of people, and

24:53

if you have the opportunity to build

24:55

off of some of the pros that like fishing

24:58

your trail, because you don't have all the

25:00

things that you have to do, there aren't all these restrictions

25:02

and all that.

25:03

It just makes sense for guys like you to go out

25:05

and fish.

25:06

I will say about Bass's

25:08

decision, which I think everybody

25:11

pretty much knew that decision was coming down the

25:13

pike, like the rumors had kind of been there one

25:15

transducer mounted on the trolling motor.

25:17

It can't be the saltwater version.

25:20

You can have fifty five inches of total screens.

25:23

You know.

25:23

They're embracing the technology

25:25

and holding on to it. But they also didn't want to go extremely

25:28

overboard. They couldn't have walked

25:30

away from it. I don't think that would have been a smart

25:32

move for Bass to walk away from forward facing

25:35

NPFL has more of an opportunity to pull

25:37

people in, and it gives MPFL

25:39

an opportunity to do something that some

25:42

of bass Master and MLF struggles

25:44

with MLF. Does you know, like the

25:46

bfls at the low level all the way

25:48

to the Toyota.

25:49

Series and the invitationals.

25:51

MPFL could start to do that and

25:53

say, hey, for my guys that want to fish

25:55

on the weekends, yeah, we're going to have

25:57

an MPFL BFL type of thing.

26:01

But you can't use forward facing. If

26:03

you start out with twenty thirty forty boats,

26:05

you could maximize that out to one hundred and fifty.

26:08

That gives them a different revenue stream. So I think

26:10

it's smart.

26:11

There's some money coming in from a different, different

26:14

angle right there, which is obviously what everybody's wanting

26:16

to get is more. Everybody wants more money in the whole world.

26:18

But you just say, you hear weekend guys. You

26:20

know, the guys that like to conveniently fish like

26:23

they have no interest in wanting to learn forward facing, And

26:25

that's cool.

26:25

That's more majority of

26:27

guys that do all the comment on the social media

26:29

is your weekend guys. I mean they're you

26:32

know, I get really tired of hearing or reading it, not

26:34

really hearing.

26:34

About ffs for fux sake.

26:37

I mean that's in the middle of it.

26:39

But yeah, the the best decision,

26:41

like kind of obviously knew that's

26:43

kind of what it was going to be. What kind of is

26:46

a thorn in my side about it is they it

26:49

took twelve months and a committee to come up

26:51

with that. Like, did we

26:53

have this decision made six months ago?

26:55

I feel like we did because everybody everybody

26:57

pretty much heard about it, right, you know.

26:59

I mean this exactly what happened.

27:01

Like what they announced was what the rumors

27:04

were six months ago. So I

27:06

don't really understand the whole committee deal.

27:09

And that's not my call. I'm not going to make

27:11

an opinion on it. I just don't really understand

27:13

it why it took so long just to come up with that.

27:17

But you know, and what's kind of weird is

27:19

the last thing we all heard as a group of anglers

27:21

was we kind of had a mutual

27:23

agreement that half and half is

27:26

what the majority of every angler wanted,

27:28

whether they loved liscope hated it, Like we

27:30

were all mutually agreeing, which is almost

27:33

impossible to do with bass fisherman. We had almost

27:35

mutually agreed like half and half would be perfect

27:37

because if you want a true angler of the year

27:40

at the end of the year. Let him be able to use it and

27:42

take it away from me. But if he can catch them both

27:44

ways, he is a true the best one

27:46

that year, of the best in the world. And obviously

27:49

we didn't get that. I was still waiting on MPFL

27:52

to go. You know what, we're not going to stop there Ford.

27:54

Faces out, but we're also taking everything

27:56

out except a map, because that's what you and I talked

27:59

about about eight once ago. Yeah, we're

28:01

like, that could be a move.

28:02

It could be, but I mean it's not feasible.

28:05

I've had it.

28:05

I've gotten into a few discussions about

28:07

people talking about how they are comparing Live

28:10

Scope to two D and Sea. It's there's

28:13

there's nothing that compares to it.

28:14

No, and it's only going to get better, and it's it's

28:17

going to change the landscape of how all

28:20

sonar is done. Like when guys used to

28:22

use flashers. Ye, Like when I saw David

28:24

Fritz had a flasher on his but I was like, well,

28:26

here's a throwback.

28:27

Yeah, you know, I think that's I didn't

28:29

mean to cut you off.

28:30

That one thing that a lot of us are scared about

28:32

is what could it become like

28:34

it can like get real fast, real

28:37

bad, real fast AI and all that stuff.

28:39

The way it is in our phones and stuff like it could it

28:41

could get out of hand quickly.

28:42

True bass fans are going to be here to witness and

28:44

watch it the whole way. That's West Logan, Thanks

28:46

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