0:03

In my my self -hosting journeys

0:05

I have decided to self

0:07

-host a a links in bio page

0:09

on my website. think don't

0:12

think you have you? Have

0:14

I not? Because links in bio

0:16

is the link is in my The

0:18

link is in my biography

0:20

for this application world. you

0:22

I went, I am hosting my am hosting

0:24

my own, tree, my link is

0:26

what you're is what you're Is

0:28

that it? Okay. it? what what it

0:31

is, yeah. I'm just going off

0:33

those bright things on Instagram that

0:35

usually say link in say something in

0:37

bio or something clever on Instagram.

0:39

And I thought that's what I've

0:41

made. and I thought that's what I've do

0:43

feel a bit like I do feel a

0:45

bit like The application that I'm

0:48

using, I say application is not

0:50

an application. We'll get to

0:52

that in a moment, is a

0:54

link we'll get to that page, a basically.

0:56

like page basically is what it's all about. And

0:58

I created this because as I

1:00

explore my options, it occurred options, it occurred

1:02

to me that what I want

1:05

is I a page like this

1:07

where I can say, can all of

1:09

the places you can find me.

1:11

the Because some of the services

1:13

that I'm looking at using give you

1:15

give you one place to say, my

1:18

is my website or whatever. just

1:20

sending people to my blog doesn't

1:22

feel like the right place to

1:24

go. to go. So I thought one

1:26

of these these link tree type. services

1:29

be a good idea, but I

1:31

didn't want to use use a service

1:33

I wanted to do it myself,

1:35

so I found this project

1:37

called Link. So for the smart people like me

1:39

and you that know what and

1:41

you is it's is, single

1:43

page list of links that you can of

1:45

links to you can send people

1:47

to have a memorable domain. Have you

1:49

got a memorable URL to this

1:51

handy reference out and keep reference

1:54

guide to where you can find

1:56

Martin everywhere online? As if by

1:58

magic a new domain appears. And

2:00

it is Whimpees World.link.

2:02

Nice, nice. Yeah, so it's just

2:05

a quick just a

2:07

quick URL. it's And as you say,

2:09

it's a list of all of the

2:11

places that people can connect with

2:13

you online. So your social media accounts,

2:15

your your get-forage account video

2:17

platforms you're on. And

2:19

in my case, one of

2:21

the the I've made is

2:23

underneath all of my

2:25

personal links, I've made a

2:27

whole section about Linux about

2:29

Linux of the places you can

2:32

find Linux you can also matters to the

2:34

podcast because that is one of

2:36

the places where one of the the

2:38

two of you exist. you exist. So

2:40

this is... a web with some links

2:43

on on which... It's a a web ring. seen

2:45

this before So what what what

2:47

does little link actually do Is there

2:49

some sort of like like application

2:51

here where you put put you in

2:53

your icons and your and it makes

2:55

this page or what's little link

2:57

actually giving you actually as

2:59

opposed to just crafting this yourself

3:01

with HTML. this Little Link is

3:03

the simplest thing ever. is

3:06

It is a single It HTML

3:08

page HDML some CSS classes as

3:10

you that the you create the

3:12

links to, for example, one of

3:14

the one of the CSS

3:16

class examples is a Mastodon

3:19

branded button. create you create the

3:21

links to the different platforms

3:23

that you're on, on. each

3:25

of those buttons is branded

3:27

appropriately for those different sites.

3:30

So it all looks very

3:32

attractive. the the right icons and the

3:34

right colour schemes on each of the

3:36

buttons so it's very clear which which

3:38

place you're advertising. you are you are actually

3:40

just making an HTML page with a

3:43

list of links. links and then little is

3:45

making it look nice. You don't even

3:47

have to make it. make it. So Little

3:49

Link project, the way that it works

3:51

works simply fork the project. and

3:54

then the index-to-HML

3:56

file has every

3:58

possible. link in

4:00

there you you just uncomment the

4:02

ones you want to use and

4:04

replace the link to the place

4:06

you want to be. as it Now

4:08

as it happens there's also a

4:11

community project called called Extended which is

4:13

a bunch of additional CSS classes

4:15

for loads of other places and

4:17

I've added that to mine mine

4:19

that had things like mastered on

4:21

in it which obviously I care

4:23

about. about. But what's interesting about this

4:25

is whilst I'm self I'm and I'll

4:27

get to how I'm doing the deployment

4:29

in just a the deployment in just a project

4:31

the a couple of buttons

4:34

and you can just click of

4:36

buttons, with just click, deploy with with or

4:38

deploy with it bounces you through

4:40

this wizard that automatically forks

4:42

the project for you you

4:45

your own GitHub account. account, does the

4:47

ORoth and and connects you to the

4:49

free plan on both those services

4:51

and automatically hooks up instantaneous deployment

4:53

to those platforms. So if you if

4:55

you don't have your own web

4:57

hosting, it will automatically set up

4:59

free hosting to to automatically deploy this

5:01

as you change it. it And

5:03

presumably it could also deploy it

5:05

to hub pages it's just a static

5:07

page. page. It could also do that.

5:09

I don't remember if that's one

5:12

of the options. It may well

5:14

be. I remember that I think

5:16

I started with started it out and

5:18

then try it out it up going

5:20

to my own site. my own site. So even

5:22

for a CSS numpty like me,

5:24

it was really easy to add

5:26

the extra CSS file for little

5:28

Link which adds hundreds of

5:30

more branded sites. sites. if you

5:32

have somewhere you want to

5:34

link people, which isn't in there,

5:36

it's very trivial to just

5:38

go in and add a new

5:40

CSS class for your custom

5:42

stuff. So I've added one for

5:44

my added one for my example, which

5:46

is which is icon and all of

5:48

that sort of stuff. all of that I'm

5:50

self stuff. so I found a

5:52

project in the a project in the

5:55

which I think is worth highlighting as

5:57

well. It's called as well.

6:00

and I've used similar tools

6:02

in the past but

6:04

this is sort of

6:06

an is -one, one -stop one-stop

6:08

shop to how to provide your key

6:10

or SSH key as a key as

6:12

a secret in a GitHub action

6:14

automatically have the site deployed

6:17

to your own server using

6:19

our sync. and it's all in

6:21

one action and there's a

6:23

few configuration configuration it handles the

6:25

handles the made a change I'll

6:27

automatically deploy that to your

6:29

self to instance using rsync

6:32

and it's the best of

6:34

these types of tools that of

6:36

encountered recently. I should take

6:38

a look at that I should take a look at that

6:40

because I've my home a solution in a get

6:42

out of action for my .com/blog. some time ago get -up,

6:44

but it it works so it's it's fine but it's

6:46

a it's a little bit janky. I

6:48

wrote a blog post about it.

6:50

Maybe we'll put a link in the

6:52

show notes, in but this would be

6:54

this would be I just need to set

6:56

aside time to other things to other

6:58

that. do And I did actually start

7:00

with looking at your blog at your blog

7:02

what you'd done. you'd And I thought, was

7:04

there was a few extra steps

7:06

in there. And then I found this

7:08

thing thing of rolls of rolls it one into

7:10

one simple - bundle. bundle nice So yes, I I think

7:13

that this this is SSH deploy is a

7:15

really nice tool. So if you

7:17

are looking to, you know, advertise your

7:19

presence on that, their Fediverse and

7:21

other platforms, this is a a little

7:23

tool. It's really easy to get started.

7:25

started and it looks very attractive and

7:27

pretty, very simple to to

7:29

customize. I

7:32

have have been logging in remotely

7:34

2024 style. SSH? Getting your 18 year old son to go

7:36

and press a button for you. old son

7:38

to go and press a button

7:40

for you. Yelling across the house, the No?

7:42

Something else. Yelling across the

7:44

house. The commands I need typed

7:46

in. desk which is got this this

7:48

box under my desk, which

7:50

is like a headless desktop, which

7:52

was previously before I got a I

7:54

got a and now it And now

7:56

it primarily serves video encoding, which I

7:58

which I occasionally need. but the way that

8:00

I do way that I do that is a kick

8:02

to Give it a kick to turn it

8:05

on I log in in from a laptop remotely

8:07

in and either via SSH SSH or than

8:09

often than not the the desktop. to

8:11

to configure whatever job I need

8:14

and set it going and then

8:16

disconnect and leave it running until

8:18

it's finished. leave it in the past,

8:20

I managed all of this using

8:22

I managed all which is to Go which application

8:24

and desktop and desktop

8:27

graphical login thing. Yeah, Exetergo quite great.

8:29

And in fact, a little

8:31

known fact is the Xtgo is

8:33

the in Germany hack fest in Germany was

8:35

where a Bunto in earnest. in met

8:37

the Debian developers that sponsored

8:39

my work and what have

8:41

you. my work and what have you. I

8:44

just rewind slightly slightly as to, you

8:46

said said were very you were

8:48

very hand wavy about some

8:50

video and jobs and any normal

8:52

nerd would tell you on

8:54

into the peg, but I suspect I

8:56

suspect You're probably running, know,

8:58

I don't know, and handbreak and stuff, and

9:00

stuff, graphical desktop applications. Exactly, yes,

9:02

and I've I've also got my auto

9:05

handbreak which will display a GUI

9:07

if it's run on the

9:09

desktop. for doing like jobs and

9:11

stuff like that. So it can be

9:13

handy to have the desktop for

9:15

that. have the I can't hear batch jobs

9:17

without thinking of batch jobs the last

9:20

episode of Martin in the last So now I'm

9:22

thinking you've got now I'm thinking your desk

9:24

and that under your desk that's that is that is fact

9:26

now that's to all of this somewhere

9:28

and I'm trying to find my

9:30

way back to it. and I'm trying to

9:32

find my way to it. in So brave new

9:34

world of new world of Wayland ex to go doesn't

9:37

do the job so

9:39

well well anymore. there's a clue

9:41

in the name a isn't

9:43

there? the name there, isn't there? is

9:45

very reliant on reliant on their

9:47

X11 server model. model. has has

9:49

Exter gone. Yes. Oh no. Sorry. no. network

9:51

transparency, which transparency, which apparently we

9:53

told we don't actually

9:55

want want anymore. Okay. So I need I need

9:57

a new way of handling this

9:59

remote login. And I I just upgraded

10:01

the machine to Ubuntu 2404 LTS,

10:04

which LTS, thanks to which actually it's

10:06

to, I believe excellent new has

10:08

an excellent new remote login

10:10

solution. So if right. into you

10:12

go into the settings app

10:15

and go to now a there's

10:17

now a remote login option, which

10:20

gives you two options. It gives

10:22

you you sharing and remote Login. So

10:24

So desktop sharing will allow you

10:26

to give someone access to your

10:28

current desktop, either to view. either

10:31

to to or to control and the the remote

10:33

you set you set up a

10:35

user connect you connect via an

10:37

RDP client and it will actually

10:39

drop you remotely into. into GDM

10:41

where can log where you can any

10:43

as any user that doesn't currently have

10:45

an active session. Oh, wow. wow, that's

10:47

really quite smart. so you can you can either

10:49

connect as user user who has a session

10:51

running, or you can connect in as one

10:54

who isn't. who isn't can also, I think, I

10:56

think Log in as a user who's session

10:58

is already running and kick them off their

11:00

existing session, existing session, which is, yeah, I'm yeah, I'm

11:02

sure there's a use case for that, but

11:04

might be a bit might be a bit So,

11:06

based on your description there, am I

11:08

right in saying that this is quite

11:11

a tightly coupled solution tightly of integrated into

11:13

GNOME itself? I believe so.

11:15

So, I went looking in the I release

11:17

notes I didn't see this mentioned, but

11:19

then I went looking in the GNOME

11:21

release notes and I saw it mentioned

11:23

there. So, I think it is looking in the

11:25

feature. notes I have in the past there.

11:27

around doing this with with XRT, which can which

11:29

can do the same thing, you log you

11:31

that, to that... manager you get

11:33

is some you get is

11:35

some real Windows 95

11:37

And it's not an easy it's

11:39

not a... an easy configuration

11:41

experience and not a pretty experience,

11:43

whereas this is slick, very

11:45

easy to configure and looks beautiful. How

11:48

does it handle handle

11:51

resolutions? Because if Because on

11:53

my my... a bun to a sahi

11:55

13-inch Air, air Ubuntu, a bun

11:57

and I oh I I

11:59

don't. know remote into my think pad Z13 in

12:01

the office that's got an LG monster the office that's

12:03

got an LG going to happen monitor connected

12:06

to it. What's gonna happen there? clearly

12:08

does actually explain quite clearly tabs the

12:10

configuration in the two tabs. So

12:12

it does something different depending if you're

12:14

logging into an active session or

12:16

not. if So if you're logging into

12:18

an active session, you get the resolution

12:21

that that session is running at. is

12:23

running So if you're in a window

12:25

that's smaller than your than your your LG funny

12:27

shape shape monitor, you'll be scrolling around.

12:29

around. you're logging in to a new session, the

12:31

the resolution is set by your

12:33

window it in. This is running it in. I

12:35

is glorious. of plenty of think of

12:38

plenty of activities I would need

12:40

this for. Yes. creating like a separate a

12:42

separate user account which is your

12:44

remote account would be a smart

12:46

way to go here so you always

12:48

negotiate like a remote friendly resolution

12:51

as you connect. I I guess if

12:53

you're not logged in on the

12:55

machine, if the machine is just

12:57

for for remote gooey, you know, like like

12:59

a server kind of. thing. Yeah, so the way

13:01

that this that this machine up to run

13:03

is up to run as you boot

13:06

it in as the logs in as the steam in

13:08

big Steam in big and mode and then

13:10

that's there for me to connect via

13:12

Steam link or stream a game to

13:14

my steam whatever if I want to. I

13:16

But then there's another user which is

13:18

there which for doing things like video

13:20

encoding like video encoding don't know. know. whatever

13:23

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15:48

Jango by fire. It's the been

15:50

learning Django by fire. it the

15:52

only way. way. The apparently it is

15:54

the only way. getting you do this

15:57

is by getting somebody else's project

15:59

try and fathom. what on earth

16:01

is going on without reading

16:03

any documentation but just pressing

16:05

buttons and deleting and moving

16:07

things around and trying things

16:09

until you understand it. That's

16:11

my way. Anyway, so I've

16:13

been noodling with a piece

16:15

of software called Savannah. I

16:17

don't think I've mentioned it on

16:19

the show before. It's a community relationship

16:21

manager written in Python and Jango. It's

16:24

open source. there is a hosted version

16:26

that you can pay for in order

16:28

to help pay for development of the

16:30

thing and there's also the source code

16:32

on get up that you can clone

16:35

and deploy yourself or just run on

16:37

your workstation and it's like a CRM

16:39

system so I said community relationship manager

16:41

it's like a customer relationship manager so

16:43

it has some of the same terminology

16:46

but it's for tracking community contributions it's

16:48

not for tracking like sales leads and

16:50

targets for targets for sales of marketing

16:52

people, although there is a little bit

16:54

of that potentially in there. It's more

16:56

to do with keeping an eye on

16:59

your community health. So, you know, are

17:01

people's poor requests being attended to, are

17:03

questions being answered, are issues being resolved,

17:05

that kind of stuff, and how many

17:07

members are there in the community? And

17:10

what level are they through the life

17:12

cycle? Are they just someone who's filed

17:14

an issue or are they a core

17:16

contributor or somewhere in between that kind

17:18

of stuff? So that's... That's what the

17:21

core mechanic of this application is. It's

17:23

a website that you can deploy. It

17:25

was written over a period of time

17:27

by Michael Hall, M Hall 109. You

17:29

may remember him from canonical and Ubuntu

17:32

back in the day. He now works

17:34

at arm. And he started it as

17:36

a bunch of Python scripts that he

17:38

used at canonical to measure the activity

17:40

in the Ubuntu community. and then every

17:43

job he's had after canonical he's built

17:45

on it and built on it and

17:47

built on it and now it's a

17:49

big thing that is something that you

17:51

can either pay him to host and

17:53

use or deploy yourself somewhere and I

17:56

use it and I've started getting involved

17:58

in developing and maintaining it. So far

18:00

I haven't committed any patches. I've been

18:02

doing this all locally because it's a

18:04

bit of a new thing to me

18:07

and I'm a bit scared of doing

18:09

it wrong. But I gave a couple

18:11

of talks, I talked to Odd Camp

18:13

about it and I also gave a

18:15

talk last weekend at Bar Camp London,

18:18

the same talk effectively and it went

18:20

down quite well. People seemed quite keen

18:22

but I need to solve a few

18:24

problems. It's a bit sharp around the

18:26

edges. You were also good enough to

18:29

set up an instance for the Quick

18:31

Emmy project and in addition to some

18:33

of the things you've identified there, one

18:35

of the things that came out of

18:37

it for me is that it actually

18:39

identified hot issues that I wasn't aware

18:42

were actually hot issues within the community

18:44

because you can see how much conversation

18:46

there is. around either a particular issue

18:48

in get hub or in this case

18:50

a discussion in get hub discussions around

18:53

a particular support issue which was a

18:55

fadora support for the packaging and what

18:57

have you. So it's insightful in many

18:59

different ways as well as identifying like

19:01

who your standout contributors are. Yeah it's

19:04

got a lot in there. I'm not

19:06

even scratching the surface of what it

19:08

can do. It can connect to lots

19:10

of different services. The basic premise is

19:12

it has a bunch of sources as

19:15

in Savannah has plugins to connect to

19:17

other things like get hub, get lab,

19:19

discord, discourse. It can connect to RSS

19:21

feeds and there's also an API so

19:23

you can create your own plugins to

19:26

connect to other things and feed data

19:28

into it. And the kind of things

19:30

you're feeding into it are data about

19:32

contributions people are making to your project.

19:34

and conversations people are having about and

19:36

around your project. So those are the

19:39

two parts. It's conversations and contributions. And

19:41

I apologize to anyone who has seen

19:43

this on camp and bar camp. I'm

19:45

not going to redo the whole slide.

19:47

and everything here. But what I wanted

19:50

to talk about was my experience with

19:52

playing with this thing. And I kind

19:54

of went on a bumsteer initially because

19:56

I cloned the projects and I could

19:58

not get it running. And it turns

20:01

out that there's something I've learned and

20:03

I haven't internalised fully about people who

20:05

use get up. And that is some

20:07

people work on a branch that isn't

20:09

Maine. And so I cloned the main.

20:12

branch and I was like I couldn't

20:14

get this working and it turns out

20:16

I bumped into Michael out in rally

20:18

in North Carolina a few weeks ago

20:20

and I had a chat to him

20:23

about it and he said oh yeah

20:25

it does work I just deployed from

20:27

the production branch and I was like

20:29

oh oh right and that's the one

20:31

that's more up-to-date but even then I

20:33

couldn't get that working because there were

20:36

problems with Python dependencies problems with some

20:38

of the modules that are now orphaned

20:40

because Michael's deployed it. a while ago

20:42

and it's running and he kind of

20:44

left it alone and not touched it

20:47

because it is just still running and

20:49

it does run. He sometimes has to

20:51

poke a job or something here and

20:53

there to wake it up or get

20:55

rid of some log files or something,

20:58

but it mostly just works. And so

21:00

I have been doing things like updating

21:02

the Python requirements dotTXT to update all

21:04

the dependencies and I hope everyone is

21:06

sitting down right now and if you're

21:09

driving I would urge you to pull

21:11

over to the side of the side

21:13

of the road. I have made a

21:15

docor file. Who are you and what

21:17

have you done with that? I know,

21:20

right? I'm a changed man. I thought

21:22

this, I can do virtual Ems. I

21:24

use UV for doing virtual ends with

21:26

Python. I love UV. It's fantastic. But

21:28

I thought, you know what, this is

21:30

a candidate for making it easier in

21:33

a quick and easy way with the

21:35

docor container that people can just, you

21:37

know, docor build and they've got a

21:39

container that they can test on their

21:41

local machine or deploy somewhere somewhere or

21:44

deploy somewhere. made and prototypes and worked

21:46

on this in my spare time such

21:48

that you can either use sequel light

21:50

or you can configure it to use

21:52

Postgress or MySQL, Maria, DB and I've

21:55

put all the options in there with

21:57

all the environment set up and it's

21:59

it's all basic stuff that probably anyone

22:01

could do but it's not all there

22:03

already and so I just wanted to

22:06

add this to make the on ramp

22:08

to people contributing to or having a

22:10

play with it a little bit easier.

22:12

Now as we record this I haven't

22:14

finished all of this. But I have

22:17

deployed it a few times using this,

22:19

this docket build and it works fine.

22:21

There are a few nuances that I

22:23

need to iron out, but in order

22:25

to just run it on your workstation,

22:27

it is going to be possible once

22:30

I commit this and I'll put a

22:32

link in the show notes. So that

22:34

will give me a target to get

22:36

this done by the time this comes

22:38

out. And then you'll be able to

22:41

deploy it yourself and try it out.

22:43

All you need if you're going to

22:45

connect it to get a API key

22:47

there. there are other things you can

22:49

connect it to that don't need API

22:52

keys like RSS feeds and so on

22:54

but I found it super useful from

22:56

a user point of view of the

22:58

tool Savannah to see as Martin said

23:00

like what's going on in the community

23:03

and identifying new people or people whose

23:05

activities dropped off you know maybe they're

23:07

on holiday maybe they're sick of the

23:09

project who knows but also it gives

23:11

you little notifications when people come back

23:13

like So and so has been away

23:16

for three weeks and then it gives

23:18

you a notification. So and so is

23:20

back at the project. Build things like

23:22

that that you might not recognise like

23:24

in amongst all the other data that

23:27

is in get up. A lot of

23:29

this you could just get from get

23:31

up but the fact that this correlates

23:33

get up and discourse and discord altogether

23:35

gives you a real as it says

23:38

on the marketing blurb on the website

23:40

a holistic view of the community and

23:42

that's what I really like about it

23:44

and then from a developer point of

23:46

view. being able to noodle around with

23:49

it. The co-base is actually not that

23:51

hard for me to understand and I

23:53

am not an expert in this and

23:55

I can figure out a lot of

23:57

what's going on and I've even written

24:00

a patch that removes Twitter. because it

24:02

can use the Twitter API but it

24:04

can't anymore because Elon and so I've

24:06

made a patch whether Michael will accept

24:08

it or not I don't know but

24:10

I've made a patch that removes the

24:13

Twitter dependencies and that fixes part of

24:15

the build so yeah there's a there's

24:17

a whole bunch of little things some

24:19

of it is adding some of it's

24:21

removing as with all code changes and

24:24

I'm quite enjoying it's quite a fun

24:26

project to work on and I'm really

24:28

hoping I can spurs some more people

24:30

on to play with it. a lot

24:32

of stuff that this does which you're

24:35

finding useful. Is there anything that from

24:37

your sort of experience doing community management,

24:39

is there a feature it doesn't have,

24:41

which you're thinking, or I might like

24:43

to add that? I can give you

24:46

three examples. More plugins is one of

24:48

them. So for example, it doesn't have

24:50

a plug in for Masterdon, but I

24:52

wrote one for Masterdon. And so I

24:54

wrote the code that goes and gets,

24:57

access is your... mastered on instance server

24:59

and then pulls the data about who's

25:01

liking or who's resharing your tooth. Now

25:03

I know this is controversial and some

25:05

people on Mastodon don't like their data

25:07

leaving Mastodon so I haven't published this

25:10

and I haven't thought how I would

25:12

publish this and how you you know

25:14

how you articulate what you're doing here

25:16

because I know this is a very

25:18

delicate thing to do on Mastodon less

25:21

so on other platforms like Blue Sky.

25:23

But I found it actually surprisingly easy.

25:25

The API for stuffing data into Savannah

25:27

is not hard to understand at all.

25:29

There's very few API calls. It's just

25:32

basically, you're creating a new member of

25:34

the community, you're adding a contribution, or

25:36

you're adding a conversation, or you're adding

25:38

a conversation. That's basically the three API

25:40

calls you need. And creating a new

25:43

member is someone who's interacting with you,

25:45

creating a new contribution is, you know,

25:47

someone added or removed some code, and

25:49

adding a conversation, hard to grock how

25:51

it all fits together. Two other things

25:54

I'll briefly mention that are missing. Proper

25:56

sentiment analysis to determine how people are

25:58

feeling. It can look for keywords like

26:00

thanks and someone's grateful and stuff like

26:02

that. But detecting whether people are happy

26:04

or sad in the project, I don't

26:07

think it does that yet, particularly well.

26:09

And the other thing that someone asked

26:11

at bar camp was, can it compare

26:13

two projects? So the question someone asked

26:15

is, can I point this at my

26:18

competitors, Git repo? And the answer is

26:20

yes. So long as they're public, if

26:22

you're pointing at an open source project,

26:24

yes you can. But those are seen

26:26

as two separate communities, two separate communities.

26:29

Yes. the way you would set it

26:31

up and so comparing them is a

26:33

bit tricky but you could potentially yoint

26:35

the data out and do something with

26:37

it or someone could write a plug-in

26:40

that does a compare these two communities

26:42

or something I don't know but yeah

26:44

it's it's fun I'm enjoying it and

26:46

it's really nice to have like a

26:48

chunky project that's got a lot of

26:50

sharp edges that I'm trying to rough

26:53

down and make it a little bit

26:55

smoother for people. Yeah, it sounds like

26:57

you've found an interesting way to get

26:59

your teeth into Python in a bit

27:01

more deeper way. And also in a

27:04

way that's beneficial to what you do.

27:06

Yeah, and potentially beneficial to other people

27:08

as well if they start using it.

27:10

And maybe beneficial to Michael as well,

27:12

because I'm promoting the tool and hoping

27:15

that more people pay for the paid

27:17

service so that he's got more incentive

27:19

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