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Hello friends and welcome back

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to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is

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Chris. My name is Wes. And my name is Brent. Hello

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gentlemen, coming up on the show today.

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The first brand new desktop environment

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that's really caught our attention in a while

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has taken hook and it promises

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to unlock the full power of cutting edge

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Linux technology. We're going

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to look at Hyperland and why we think

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just about every desktop environment will

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be

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ripping a few ideas off from Hyperland in

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the near future. Plus, we're going to tell you about a great community

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So we want to talk about Hyperland this week. It's a dynamic,

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yes, tiling, Wayland compositor

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based on WL roots

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that, as it says, doesn't sacrifice

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on the looks. And the reason why we

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wanted to talk about it is it's

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kind of peak modern Linux stack.

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It needs Wayland. It uses

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pipe wire. It's accelerated

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and it's beautiful.

2:04

Really beautiful if you're willing to put the time

2:06

in and set it up.

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And it flows in a way that the

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way I described it to Brent is

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the, the UI flows together

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in a way that it always should have.

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I've been waiting since 1985 or

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whatever for computers to look nearly as cool

2:23

as they do in the movies, but in a way that's actually

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practical and usable.

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And Hyperland gets us there. Finally,

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after like, you know, 35 plus

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years of waiting, I actually think we're here

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and it's using a beautiful Linux

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stack. I think the biggest

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caveat I have to put up front is

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it is kind of a DIY thing. There's

2:44

not really a distribution. There's several like things

2:46

you can kind of try, but there's not really like a distribution.

2:48

You can go download that showcasing

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a beautifully pre-set up Hyperland

2:53

desktop. It's really kind of a DIY

2:55

thing. Now that is, I think a pretty fun

2:58

aspect of it, but yeah, you're not going to get sort

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of a, you know, like a gnome like experience right

3:02

out of the box. Genome, excuse me. Yeah.

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Get it right. Get it right. But they have, that

3:07

may have been true of every desktop we know

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and love in their infancy. Yeah. So

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I think

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the hype I've seen around at least

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seems like it's getting a disproportionate

3:17

amount of excitement considering it's

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relatively youth, maybe. You will, you will

3:21

kind of need to be on something of a hipster

3:24

distro to try it out. They

3:26

say arch Nick's OS and open

3:29

soon. So tumbleweed. Right on my hipster

3:31

are

3:32

very supported. You know what? So here's

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why I think it actually makes the most sense on those

3:36

distros. When you're

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running on the leading edge of Linux and

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you're on Wayland and you're on pipe wire and you're using

3:43

the latest kernel stack and all of that, you

3:45

really want kind of a minimal Linux

3:48

desktop environment.

3:49

And when you can purpose build it by choosing

3:51

your own window manager, your own launcher,

3:54

your

3:55

own terminal application, your

3:57

own file manager application, you pick

3:59

all those.

3:59

things and you keep

4:02

it to a real minimal stack.

4:05

I find that to typically

4:07

to be the type of setups that last

4:09

the long haul on a rolling type

4:12

or aggressive leading edge distro, a

4:14

little more minimal. We're

4:15

kind of in some ways we're reducing our expectations

4:17

from the desktop environment, but

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we're gaining

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sort of a consistency and stability

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through a lot of updates and a

4:26

lot of changes as something's rapidly developing.

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And it can work pretty nicely. I think if you don't, you know, you don't have

4:31

a super complicated workflow or asking

4:33

a whole lot, or if you're willing to put in the time

4:35

to, you know, play

4:36

with your configuration and get things just set up, but

4:38

it's a little more of the, you know, build

4:41

something that suits the way you work instead of kind

4:43

of molding yourself into a predefined workflow. And,

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you know, I think that I think the lead developer of this is, is,

4:48

I mean, I say this in a good way. I think they're opinionated

4:50

about what this desktop should do and what

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it shouldn't do. I've recently introduced

4:55

a plugin system as well to extend

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it.

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And it does it, you know, in a much more complete

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way than say, like something like genome extensions do

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not to do a direct comparison, but

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I think, you know, the hyperland implementation

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is a much more serious implementation where they're more

5:09

directly involved and you

5:11

know, it's sort of an opinionated, but I think well-built

5:14

implementation there.

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And I like that. And what you get

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is this desktop that is

5:20

kind of like a Lego set that you put together,

5:23

but it's so smooth. My, my

5:25

sensation was, Oh, this

5:28

is how Linux should be for, for like years

5:30

now. This is what I've always been waiting for. I

5:33

have all these open source drivers. I have all this

5:35

latest stuff. I have everything set up. Why

5:37

isn't it always this smooth?

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It's kind of neat to see something

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reimagined, not that there haven't been some, but something that's

5:44

getting more popularity, you know, this stuff

5:46

reimagined in the Wayland

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native world. We've

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kind of mostly talked about it with, you know, Mudder

5:52

and Kewyn and sort of the traditional desktops moving

5:54

over to Wayland. I know we've dabbled with sway

5:56

and things a little bit, but even they're sort of inspired by

5:58

stuff that came first in X. Hyperland

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feels a little more Wayland native

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than that. You know, I think it started with Hyper,

6:05

and that was like a tool that you could use

6:07

on top of an X11 desktop.

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And then I think the developer thought to themselves, well,

6:12

if I really wanna do this right, and I really want it to work

6:14

the way I want, I need to kind of create the entire environment.

6:16

And if you can use Wayland as a spec,

6:19

you can write to that implementation, it's actually

6:21

conceivable, especially if the user is bringing

6:24

things like the launcher or the application switcher

6:26

or something like that.

6:27

And because it is relatively

6:30

low complexity in terms of installation,

6:33

Wes, you found, you could actually like download the binaries

6:36

directly, put them on the right place in the file system. Yeah,

6:38

that's actually what I'm doing here. I

6:41

had a partition installed still with OpenSUSE

6:44

tumbleweed I've been keeping up to date, and I figured,

6:46

yeah, why not try it there if it's quote unquote, very supported.

6:49

Yeah, you can just, you know, zipper install

6:51

it, and that works just fine, but I figured, why

6:53

not try it? You can go download a tar.gz

6:55

file off GitHub.

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You do need to make sure you kind of got all the, you know,

6:59

the right other system dependencies that aren't shipped

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in that tar, but otherwise you copy Hyperland,

7:03

you copy HyperCTL, which is a

7:05

sort of, you know, CTL type client that goes along

7:07

with it, and you copy the bundled

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WL roots library,

7:13

do an LD config, kind of, you know,

7:15

go from there, launch it in a TTY,

7:17

and you've got Hyperland. Yeah, yeah,

7:20

it's both very straightforward and

7:22

also a lot to set up, isn't

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it, Brent? Well, let's

7:27

just say I learned a lot about myself and my preferences

7:29

this week, trying to get this going, but

7:33

yeah, I think it matched my

7:35

expectations of what

7:37

Tyling managers, you know, these standalone

7:40

Tyling managers are like,

7:41

which I learned from

7:44

my journey, I struggle with

7:46

at this point, because it was super easy to get going, but

7:48

then the configurability

7:50

of it is, I think, a place where

7:52

maybe I'm not opinionated enough to

7:55

make some decisions on, you know, which launcher

7:57

I wanna have installed and use, and

7:59

we'll be able to do that.

7:59

compatible and work really well. And so

8:02

I kind

8:04

of got to the point where I was like up and running and I didn't quite

8:06

know what to do with myself. You're kind of

8:08

like, okay, good enough, but I don't really have

8:10

the energy to, to finish it. I

8:13

think it's one of those things where

8:14

you just got to give it time and you have to dive

8:17

in like headlong into

8:19

that ecosystem and learn as much as you can. So it,

8:21

it reminded me of like,

8:24

maybe a modern type of journey you can

8:26

do. Like, you know, we used to build

8:28

gen two and run it somewhere, what maybe

8:30

on a server, Chris, but these days, maybe

8:32

you could just take something like hyperland

8:35

and dive in there and learn a ton about Linux

8:38

in a slightly limited capacity. And I

8:40

think that's a journey I need to be doing this

8:42

week. Maybe it wasn't that that time for me. Yeah.

8:45

Wes, do you feel like it might appeal to

8:47

folks that

8:49

find NixOS appealing because

8:51

you're

8:51

kind of defining your operating system with something

8:53

like NixOS. And then

8:55

the way you configure hyperland, you're kind of configuring

8:58

it all

8:59

through a configuration language. Like if you want to

9:01

do dual monitors and it has some really

9:03

cool support for assigning individual

9:05

workspaces to a specific monitor and setting

9:08

the orientation,

9:09

but it's all done in a config file

9:11

and you have to kind of follow their syntax,

9:14

which looks like it's fairly bulletproof. Like

9:16

it would probably solve some of my multi monitor issues

9:18

I've had. Worth trying. Right. Since 1985. Right.

9:21

So you can see the advantage,

9:23

but it's also like, oh man, I got to figure

9:26

out how to map all of my individual

9:28

things to this particular syntax.

9:30

And it really would just like something

9:33

that scans my hardware and sets up a default

9:35

for me,

9:36

but, um,

9:37

some people I think

9:38

prefer just

9:39

spending the time.

9:41

Writing all the config out. And then they kind of have a

9:43

system locked in there. And you feel like this is kind

9:46

of the right demographic for hyperland.

9:47

Well, yeah. I mean, sure. There are downsides. You got

9:49

to spend the time to go configure it, but once you've configured

9:52

it, I mean, it's documented, it's saved,

9:54

you push it up to get, you can, you can share

9:56

it too. So you can go find, I mean, already you can go

9:58

find folks who are sharing.

9:59

and go try that on for yourself, especially

10:02

if you're using something like NixOS, where it'd be really easy to

10:04

just slot that in, replace it, try again.

10:07

Yeah, they really, that's it. If

10:09

you find that approach appealing, then

10:12

this, I think Hyperland's a whole

10:14

other level of awesome for somebody. And

10:16

I don't,

10:17

I don't, I see what you have. But it's, for

10:20

me, it was like, oh, this is a whole weekend

10:22

of setting this up. What

10:25

I really wanted

10:26

was a live environment to see what's possible. But

10:29

because there's so many people

10:30

that are really sharing their setups up there, you

10:33

can get inspiration pretty quickly, like you're saying. So

10:35

it does help you get going. And we'll have links. There's

10:38

a GitHub-style awesome

10:41

Hyperland GitHub repo. And

10:43

yeah, it's got a lot of nice things linked, a lot of things

10:46

written in Rust, it turns out, as well as C++ and the usual assortment.

10:51

But it can help you if you want to get

10:53

a bar set up, different display integrations, plug-ins,

10:55

maybe you need launchers, it's got recommendations there.

10:58

And then they've got

10:59

a Hall of Fame as well that shows off some of

11:01

the things that are possible. So yeah,

11:03

you probably gotta

11:05

spend some time thinking about how you want

11:07

your desktop to work, what you might want it to look like,

11:09

learn what even are the dimensions that are possible. Yeah,

11:12

because there are a couple of gotchas at this stage right now. Like,

11:14

I think if you're using GDM, you're probably not gonna have a great

11:16

time. You might just want to start it from the terminal. Yeah, that's

11:19

what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah. The

11:21

nice part about it is I've got it running along with Plasma

11:23

at the same time. And so, you know, I can pop

11:25

back over there. I can pop back

11:28

over there if I'm not comfortable doing anything over in Hyperland

11:30

yet, or I just am used to that workflow or trying to get some

11:32

work done and not playing with a new DE. That's

11:35

cool.

11:35

Well now I think that's where I should be at. Yeah, that's what I'm

11:38

thinking too. I'm doing this wrong this whole time. Yeah,

11:41

this is Wes showing us in the studio right now switching between

11:43

Plasma and Hyperland. That is, all right, that's compelling.

11:45

That's another reason maybe just launched from the TTY.

11:47

So I thought, you know, using this,

11:51

there are some really clever ideas

11:53

about the way applications interact, about

11:56

when something's floating versus when it's tiled,

11:59

that really...

12:00

I think advance the idea of tiling just yet

12:03

another step forward and I wonder

12:05

But

12:06

seems likely to me, but I wonder if you guys

12:08

agree. There's little things in here that

12:10

I feel like some other desktop environments might

12:13

borrow from in the future especially

12:16

as Tiling type modes and

12:18

playing with the fuzzy middle ground between you

12:20

know between the various paradigms that seems to be

12:23

more popular. Mm-hmm Mm-hmm. There's this feature

12:25

Chris you and I were kind of admiring where you

12:27

can click and drag Where you

12:29

create the new application that

12:31

you want to open? Yes you with the mouse you just click and

12:33

drag a square and

12:34

Then like in this case the terminal just opens

12:37

up in that exact box that you drew on the location

12:39

and the size That's a neat concept. It's such a

12:41

great idea And I think that's a perfect example

12:44

of something that I mean if plasma

12:46

picked that up for console I would absolutely

12:49

turn that on You

12:52

know, I could see I could see that kind of thing I

12:54

think it's really worth trying especially if you're

12:56

on nix and you have home manager already because

12:58

you can get this thing up and Going in minutes and it's a

13:00

decent config

13:01

out of the box And of course, it's so easy

13:04

to just roll back like nothing ever happened Um

13:07

that

13:07

and it's also it is packaged in nix But if you do

13:09

just the package and nix I discovered you don't get like

13:12

all the accoutrement around it that actually makes it a complete

13:14

Experience I got like the most bare-bones Hyperland

13:18

possible and I was like, oh, it's what you asked

13:20

for. Yeah You gotta watch for that too

13:22

and I think it's I've also heard it's super easy to get working

13:25

in arch Blumen

13:28

strong wrote in and he wrote I just

13:30

had to tell someone how amazing arches I've

13:32

been using the latest I3 sway clone

13:34

that all the cool kids are talking about hyperland

13:37

It's installed from the AUR for a little

13:39

while

13:40

and one day I was doing my compulsive

13:42

pac-man. S. Y. U.

13:43

Yeah As we do

13:46

and noticed that a hyperland was

13:48

part of the upgrade So I went and checked and sure

13:50

enough hyperland had made it into the community repo

13:53

for arch Linux Because the AUR packages

13:55

are installed with pac-man it picked it up and it's now managed

13:57

through the community packages without me

13:59

having to do anything. Just another

14:02

reason why I think Arch Linux is one of the most important

14:04

Linux distros that we have. Kind

14:06

regards, bloomin' strong. And this is something

14:08

I wanted to point out because I think

14:11

both Arch and Nixon, to agree

14:13

for you two, Tumbleweed,

14:14

have proved to be good platforms to just

14:17

try something for a little while

14:19

and then switch back with pretty low repercussion.

14:21

Although I guess you're doing it on Ubuntu pretty well right

14:24

now, right? Oh no, I'm running Tumbleweed

14:26

at the moment. Oh, how many

14:28

distros do you have installed on that laptop? Well,

14:31

it's the show laptop. It's here to be experimented

14:33

on. It's gotta be at least three. Somewhere between three

14:35

and six would be my guess. Plus KXX

14:37

and infinite plus three. Some of them are just

14:39

like...

14:40

Yeah, there's some temporary space that gets shuffled around.

14:42

Maybe a VM image here or there. I've been trying to keep open

14:45

SousaRan just to, you know, launch it evolve. Keep

14:47

doing updates not that often, but sporadically.

14:50

But do you notice how he can't give you a number? I don't think

14:52

he knows. He doesn't know, no.

14:55

I think it's more than that because you've had the laptop

14:57

for a long time and I think you probably

14:59

do one or two a quarter at least. So

15:01

I think

15:02

it's probably getting up there. Oh,

15:04

maybe four. No, I think it's more, but

15:06

I don't know. I don't know if I'd boot. I don't know if

15:08

I would bet any sats on it.

15:10

I wouldn't, but I think it's up there.

15:13

Anyways, I think this is definitely worth consideration. We'll

15:15

put a link to all the details, including if you

15:17

just wanna check out how everybody gets their desktops

15:19

configured. If you ever see the UNIX

15:21

porn subreddit,

15:22

one of the coolest, this is always one of the coolest desktops

15:24

going by. People are really excited about this.

15:27

It's really been going strong for about a year now.

15:29

Yeah, I'm impressed. I mean, there are more folks

15:31

working on it now but seems to be primarily driven

15:34

by a solo developer who is amazingly

15:36

productive. And you get a sense, there's a lot of, like

15:39

you said, there's a sense around

15:41

what this should and shouldn't do. And then I

15:43

think also some taste in the programming

15:45

as well. It's all written in C++ or at least

15:48

primarily. Down at the bottom of the repo, they

15:50

have a special thanks section and I think

15:52

it just kinda says it nicely. We've

15:54

got WL roots for their amazing library,

15:57

tiny WL for showing how to do stuff.

16:00

way for showing how to do stuff the overkill

16:02

way, Vyvarium for showing

16:04

how to do stuff the simple way, and DWL

16:07

for showing how to do stuff the hacky

16:09

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he told us. I

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hankering for some automated

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irrigation, which we touched on a little bit in self

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hosted recently, but

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you saw this as like a massive value for value

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And we were trying to come up with a way to automate that

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with home assistant and sensors because we're

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big nerds. And you know, our first thought

18:43

is, well, let's get some data. And so

18:45

Brent

18:45

and I started looking at ESP32s

18:48

and soil sensors. And we started thinking about building up

18:50

a network of them throughout and monitoring

18:52

the beds and the different plots and then bringing that

18:54

in and automating the water with a relay

18:57

and a solenoid.

18:58

And Dom showed up and, you

19:01

know, after doing introductions and kind of giving us

19:03

like kind of the game plan for the day, he's like, okay,

19:05

Chris, I gotta be real with you. I

19:07

listened to self hosted.

19:09

I think you're overthinking this. We're

19:12

just going to do a, I have with me just a

19:14

host timer. I have basic turns on

19:16

at such time runs for four to five minutes. Turns

19:19

off one, four or five times a week. However

19:21

many days that, that you want it to go. Yeah. The,

19:25

you can get more complicated. We'll do like irrigation

19:28

valves, 24 bolt irrigation valves

19:30

that you can do a header with and then come off of those. But

19:33

now you're getting into, you're going to need a backflow

19:35

device in order to be in compliance with

19:37

county and city and state

19:39

water laws to prevent backflow

19:41

from going into the city water line. So

19:44

we'll need to run a main line. We'll put in a backflow

19:46

device, run multiple valves, and then come

19:48

out of those and as a manifold

19:50

into the multiple areas that you want to be able

19:52

to water. We can squeeze by using

19:55

just a host timer. And he brought

19:57

the timer as well. So that, you know,

19:59

he brought.

19:59

the gear. He didn't just bring his time and his expertise

20:02

because he runs an irrigation business with

20:04

his brother, but

20:05

he brought the

20:07

equipment and the timer and, you

20:10

know, worked with us. And it

20:12

took us, what would you say, about six hours of digging?

20:14

Somewhere around there. You're interspersed

20:17

with, you know, breaks to chat about all sorts

20:19

of other things. And eating chili and whatnot.

20:21

That was nice. We had, um, I'll

20:24

give you the layout. So listeners, I'll give you a picture

20:26

in your mind. We have three plots. Uh,

20:29

we have some plots that are just some raised

20:31

garden beds. They're pretty small, but they need watering.

20:34

We have some sheds

20:36

in between, uh, those raised plots.

20:38

And then another much larger plot that's

20:41

going to have potatoes and tomatoes

20:44

and beans and peas and all that kind

20:46

of stuff.

20:47

And then we have a very, very, very large plot.

20:50

That's going to have your squashes and your corns.

20:52

And that's a third lot. So they're kind of spread

20:54

out

20:55

between where lady Jup's parks and where

20:57

some sheds are at that we have related to parks and

21:00

all of that. And it seemed like a massive

21:02

job. We weren't even sure how to run some of the water, but

21:05

once we got going, I think

21:07

Brent and I had it. I don't even know. I

21:10

don't even know if we actually needed

21:12

Dominic's help because

21:14

we're pretty much experts. So we got a full

21:16

operation going right here. Brent is trenching,

21:19

right? I have this, I've never used one of these,

21:21

but trenching shovel.

21:22

I think it's called, I think it's called a ho. No,

21:25

this is not a ho. Oh, sorry. It's

21:29

excellent though. I think I might just get one. And

21:32

you're trenching along here and we're going to lay down some

21:34

water pipe all around the beds, out

21:37

to the big bed out there. And then there's another big bed on

21:39

the other side of those sheds. Dom and Dylan

21:41

are setting up the pipes for us right now.

21:43

Some of the connectors. It's going pretty well. What are

21:45

you doing? Well, I'm documenting

21:48

obviously. Yeah, clearly. I mean, I

21:50

do technically have a ho. A leaning

21:52

ho. It's not a ho.

21:54

You just called it a ho. No, but you tricked

21:56

me. And, you know,

21:58

Brent wasn't. kidding in

22:00

that clip

22:01

when he was like seriously impressed by this tool. And he's like,

22:03

I think I might go get one of these.

22:05

He actually went out that night, went to the pawn shop

22:07

and got himself. Well,

22:10

you know, when it's fresh in the mind, he

22:12

acted on it.

22:14

But, uh, you heard there too, that my son Dylan

22:16

was helping out, right? So

22:18

Dominic's a father of four. And so

22:20

he just took right to like, Hey, Dylan, would you like to help me out

22:22

and connect some of these connectors? And of course, Dylan always wants

22:24

to help out. It was a full family

22:26

operation. My wife's dad came over and

22:28

helped us out. And so it was, we had a crew.

22:31

We were really multiplexing the work out there.

22:33

It felt good to go out and do some physical activity action. I

22:35

didn't actually overdo it. So I'm not even sore today, which

22:38

I really have no right. Cause I'm so out of shape and should be, but

22:41

I got lucky. It seems like this garden will be good for keeping

22:43

you in shape. That is true. It does.

22:45

It does keep us more active. So after

22:47

talking with Dom, uh, what we've decided is

22:49

we're going to walk back the

22:52

scale of our automated garden

22:54

operation.

22:55

And what we'll probably do is,

22:57

uh, some soil sensors, but

22:59

not nearly as many just to kind of keep an eye on

23:01

things.

23:03

And I also kind of wouldn't mind a flow

23:05

sensor. Oh, that would be fun.

23:08

And I think we'll just kind of use that to

23:10

make sure the timer that, that

23:12

Dominic gave us

23:14

is doing an adequate job and that we don't need to like

23:16

run it for a little bit longer, a little bit more frequently.

23:19

The thing that was really nice about having

23:21

Dominic there is

23:23

he really is an expert, like he shows

23:25

up and he's like, Oh yeah, that type of grass is a crab

23:27

grass right there. You're going to want to get rid of that. He like, he knows

23:30

the individual blades of grass and their type. Right. And

23:33

he gave us a real education

23:35

along the way.

23:36

And this is something that I think the community is

23:39

so good at. We're so good at helping each other.

23:41

And when somebody wants to come up to speed

23:43

on a topic, there's

23:45

so many people in the community with, it's a Linux topic

23:47

or it's like something like our Nick's nerds room is

23:50

such a great example of this stuff.

23:52

You'd never find, or it would take a really long time,

23:54

you know, to get expert enough to know all

23:57

the places to look that, you know, the things you need to just

23:59

get it done. Yeah, yeah. And

24:01

so he shows up and he really gave me

24:03

an education on how to really

24:05

properly grow plants and that is

24:08

soil, take care of the soil. And

24:10

with the drip system that we put in, we're

24:12

going to be watering the roots. So

24:14

it's not an over the top system. And it's going

24:17

to encourage these plants to get deep roots. And

24:20

he gave us some tips for our type of soil and gave me tips

24:22

for the clover I'm growing. It was a

24:24

real education, just the whole thing

24:26

I had to do the irrigation was also very educational.

24:30

It's a humbling kind of value contribution,

24:32

to be honest with you.

24:33

And he drove all the way up from far away too.

24:36

So it's really awesome. And you know what's crazy?

24:38

His day to day job is irrigation. He's not a

24:41

day to day Linux user, right? And he's right. I

24:43

mean, he's interested for sure. Right. And of course,

24:45

coming to the meetup.

24:46

He's a geek like, let's be honest, but still

24:49

pretty cool. I thought to have that

24:52

experience and we'll link to Dominic's

24:54

business in the show notes. So if you're in

24:56

the area and you want to work

24:59

with somebody that

25:00

lives and breathes this stuff and really knows it inside

25:02

and out, we'll put a link to his, him and

25:04

his brother's business. So you can connect

25:06

with the sprinkler geeks.

25:09

Thank you, Dominic. And boy, just

25:11

quite the experience. And now we have such a

25:13

huge project ahead of us. And I,

25:15

I'm still looking forward to all the little geeky sensor

25:17

things and all of the ESP devices will build and

25:19

all that. So we're still going to have lots of fun.

25:22

I'm sure we'll talk about it on the show too. We can help

25:24

ourselves. Yeah, it's gonna be a good

25:26

time.

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26:54

And now it is time for the

26:56

boost. We got some fresh baller boost coming into

26:58

the show just as we were setting up this morning. Wood Carver

27:01

boosted in with 115,000 sats. Hello,

27:05

sir. Hey, Rich Luster.

27:09

Hey, Rich Luster. Rock and Podverse

27:11

spread across two boosts, boosting

27:13

in live one time and then a second time saying,

27:16

Chris has truly taken the narrow path

27:18

and created an independent podcast network

27:21

without the horrible automatic dynamic

27:23

ads and click bait headlines. Oh, preach

27:25

it sister.

27:27

Hate that stuff. Had the weirdest dynamic

27:29

ad insertion experience. Oh,

27:31

just crazy.

27:33

He goes on to say, we shouldn't take this kind of content for

27:35

granted. Now the times are tough. So everyone

27:37

please chip in by any means possible.

27:39

I one prefer the glorious decentralized

27:41

way. Keep it up. You

27:44

know what I really appreciate about Wood Carver's

27:47

boost here, even though it is,

27:49

it's a lot of self-aggrandizing, which is

27:51

not

27:52

my favorite, but I do appreciate the sentiment because

27:56

I don't want to freak everybody out

27:58

about the rest of the year.

28:00

But it is not good

28:01

and you will notice that

28:03

Some of my friends will switch to

28:06

ads that don't really fit with the genre

28:09

Selling you know mass-produced things that

28:11

shipped in a box and just not necessarily things

28:13

that really fit with the content

28:16

my pledge is I will

28:18

shut shows down

28:20

before I cross that line and

28:21

The more shows the audience

28:23

support

28:25

The show the more shows that will survive

28:27

but I do warn

28:29

you just to be fully transparent

28:32

As I think part of value value for should be I

28:36

Am 90% positive at least one

28:38

if not more shows are going on hiatus for the

28:40

remainder of the year pretty soon

28:42

It's not exactly clear which ones yet

28:45

but

28:46

When will probably be the end of the quarter?

28:48

The shows that remain are gonna be predominantly survivors

28:51

based on audience support and the ads we

28:53

could sell

28:54

and what we'll do is we'll go into sort

28:56

of a survival mode for a while and

28:58

Sort of a hard time

29:01

to live life lean. I have to be honest with you. The timing

29:03

is not particularly great

29:05

there may be consequences for me for that, but

29:09

I'm not gonna run, you

29:10

know some crappy mattress ad

29:13

or Some crappy box product

29:15

ad that you don't need I'd rather the show

29:17

survive on the ones that the audience team worth

29:20

saving and the ones that

29:21

Good advertisers are still willing to advertise on

29:24

But you will see podcasters struggling for

29:26

the remainder of the year So I really you know,

29:28

this is this is life and death for

29:31

me, right? This is how I

29:32

feed me my kids my wife

29:34

So it matters a lot to me and so I think about a lot so

29:36

I appreciate that

29:38

wood carver kind of zoned in on that without me having to

29:40

go on and on about it in some sort of panicky tone because

29:42

I've really been struggling a lot recently to think about how to communicate

29:45

the

29:45

direness of the situation and

29:48

and and part of me is also a chaos monkey

29:50

and I kind of welcome it so

29:52

For new listeners because I know we've gotten a lot

29:54

of those recently who knew

29:56

huh listeners What

30:00

would be the best ways to support

30:01

the network? You know, if, uh, yeah, I

30:03

mean, it's the boost and the memberships are the direct ways, right?

30:06

Um, because otherwise

30:07

it's

30:09

like kind of more

30:11

directly removed. Supporting our sponsors

30:13

is probably another like the third tier, which is also

30:15

very much appreciated and then

30:18

spreading the word of the show, like just letting

30:20

people know as we can just sort of grow and continue to grow

30:22

and get that network effect.

30:25

And you know, you have, there's other ways too, right? There's participating

30:28

in other ways too, that

30:30

can help take a load or something like that,

30:32

right? Like, you know, Dom coming out and helping us with

30:35

the garden saved us probably about a thousand dollars

30:37

in cost, roughly. Not to mention

30:40

the time to research and hopefully

30:42

get

30:43

some answers, but he just showed up

30:45

with all this expertise and he's like, no, no, in

30:47

this situation, you got to do this. I got this special tool

30:49

and I have these special clips. And like, so he just

30:52

showed up with like

30:53

decades of knowledge. Customized farm starter

30:55

plan. A listener, Kyle, uh,

30:58

sent in a, uh, massive

31:01

switch, big old boy that we're going to use for our server

31:03

rack. Yeah. I mean, it's like a brand is

31:05

like a five grand switch

31:07

and, uh, that's just not gear we can afford to get

31:09

right now. We won't be able to afford

31:11

probably until middle of next year, right?

31:13

That's going to be, it's going to be a while because

31:15

it,

31:16

you got, it takes a bit to recover after living really lean

31:19

too. You kind of dig yourself into a hole and I'd

31:21

rather dig myself into a hole than

31:23

run advertisers that, I mean, I just can't,

31:25

I can't picture myself walking into this room,

31:28

sitting down in this chair

31:29

and reading an ad about some crappy

31:31

product that I can't stand just so that way I

31:33

could do my podcast that,

31:36

you know, but you love that new toothpaste. There

31:38

you go. That was true. I actually

31:40

do have an electric toothbrush. I love

31:43

Doug boosted with 75,000 sats. Uh,

31:46

maybe it's not the new hotness and maybe it's a bit controversial,

31:49

but I want a native client forever.

31:52

Note, can you point the crew to, and it'll

31:54

give us a link that we'll put in the show notes

31:56

and it is a early access

31:59

to test out.

33:59

and changes and honestly

34:01

it's all trending in the right direction I think. User 35

34:04

came

34:05

in with 31,500 sats. Just

34:09

saying crushing it.

34:11

Thank you for the generous boost and there's a birthday

34:13

cake in there Wes. I think that might be

34:15

a birthday boost as well. Thank you.

34:19

Active Shadow Boost in

34:21

with 25,000 sats.

34:24

I'm behind on episodes but I wanted to comment

34:26

on the note taking and to do app I use.

34:29

It's a bash application on GitHub

34:31

called nb. I especially

34:34

like it because I can actually use it to write entire work

34:36

documents and then convert them to PDF using

34:38

Pandoc via a custom plugin.

34:41

Anyway it's been good to me for sure.

34:44

Now Chris this strikes me as maybe something you'd

34:46

be interested in because you're complaining about the Joplin

34:48

UI. How about something that works like on

34:50

the command line as a as a two.

34:52

Generally not

34:54

a leggy UI when you're on the command line. Right. No.

34:56

Right. Generally not a problem you have.

34:59

It looks like it has encrypted files and

35:01

it will do get versioning and syncing. That's

35:04

pretty nice. It does have a GUI web

35:07

front end as well. Supports markdown,

35:10

org, latex, does todos, askydok.

35:13

You can write notes using

35:15

emacs, vs code,

35:17

I suppose nano if you want to do actually

35:19

the command line UI as far as command line UI

35:22

goes looks pretty good. Look at that. If you've got a terminal

35:24

that supports emoji, it's all in. Huh.

35:27

You know I'm constantly impressed

35:30

how many note taking like a

35:32

applications but also paradigms there

35:35

are and keep being created

35:37

like every month there's a new one that we're trying to explore.

35:39

It's insane. Check this out. It's also a powerful

35:42

bookmarking system

35:43

locally served text centric distraction

35:46

free bookmark browsing in terminal or

35:48

a web browser local full text

35:50

search of cached page content

35:53

filtering and listing internet archive way back

35:55

machine snapshot look up for broken links.

35:58

Oh, that's slick. Yeah.

35:59

Yeah. Wow. We need that.

36:01

Yeah, we definitely need that. That happens to us

36:03

like frequently. You know, I am

36:06

convinced there are as many note and to do

36:08

apps as there are ways for people thinking. And

36:10

so we just keep seeing more because we keep discovering

36:12

there's more ways

36:13

and different ways people think. Which is hopefully great then,

36:16

right? I mean, we all kind of all find the ones that work

36:18

well for the way our brains think. So thank

36:20

you. Thank you, Shadow. That's I'm

36:22

definitely going to check it out. Yeah, we'll put a link to NBI

36:25

in the notes. You can, of course,

36:27

find it on GitHub if you want to search around

36:29

for it. But we'll put a link.

36:31

Gene Bean boosts in with 5,400 and a beautiful CNA.

36:35

Hey, Gene. I hoard that with your kind

36:38

cover.

36:39

The EcoWit Weather Station connects

36:41

locally to Home Assistant and has an optional

36:43

soil moisture sensor that can be added to

36:45

the station. Oh, I have mine on

36:48

Amazon. And by the way, you can skip the

36:50

online account setup and app related

36:52

to EcoWit completely.

36:53

If using Home Assistant, you can do everything

36:56

in the web interface. I've heard from a

36:59

weather gentleman that I follow. I

37:01

think he's a gentleman on YouTube. He loves the station

37:03

as well.

37:04

I love that it talks locally to Home Assistant. We

37:06

have been looking at ESP powered soil sensors, but

37:08

so many people say these soil sensors die

37:11

after

37:12

a while. Now, you can get a bag of

37:14

them for like 10 bucks, but they die. You

37:16

got to keep replacing them. This looks a lot

37:18

more robust. Hmm. OK,

37:21

that's something I'll take a look at. It's definitely a little more expensive

37:23

than because the total cost of parts is like 15

37:26

bucks tops, maybe. But, you

37:28

know,

37:30

if this is more robust, it's definitely

37:32

worth a look. Think. Thanks, Gene. Thanks, Bean. Bean

37:34

also mentioned, in fact, to go

37:37

along with some closure banter that Wes

37:39

loves so much.

37:41

Puppet server and Puppet DB are

37:43

also written in closure. Oh, man. Wes,

37:45

you must have a giant list of things that you prefer

37:47

simply because of the languages written in. I

37:50

don't know about that, unless we're excluding

37:52

Rust. Do we have a bunch of closure geeks

37:54

in the audience? Oh, no, I hope

37:57

so. Oh, gosh.

37:59

Sophie. boosted in 9,000 SATs.

38:03

For some clarification, 9220 is indeed Denmark. Specifically,

38:08

it's Alborg's University

38:10

region. Tune in with a

38:13

postal code boost also from

38:15

Denmark.

38:16

Well, thank you, Denmark. Thanks for

38:18

checking in. I really like getting the towns.

38:21

You know, that's, I feel like we should

38:23

like, whenever you write in, if you're comfortable, you

38:26

should give us your town, just because we like to know, you know?

38:28

You know what we

38:29

really missed in this process? It

38:32

would be sweet to have a- I know, a board.

38:34

Yeah, you know where I was going with this. Yeah, there's

38:36

so many things like that. Like we still need to get together the

38:39

gosh darn geocaching page, but

38:41

like, you know, the mapping

38:43

stuff is kind of tricky too, but I agree.

38:46

We always could go back, because we have, we

38:48

keep all the boosts,

38:49

even the boosts we don't read on air, we keep them all in the show

38:51

dock. So every episode you're like, you're

38:53

in that week's dock,

38:55

if you boost it in. So we could go back

38:58

and find these zip code boosts. Trace the

39:00

lineage of the zip code boost. And

39:02

then show up at their door. We show up at one

39:05

random listener's house to do the show. It's

39:07

a crazy Linux unplugged challenge. That would

39:10

be chaos, you know it. We'd

39:12

knock on the door. We got like one hour before we're

39:14

live. What's your upload? You

39:16

got ethernet in your living room.

39:19

McLang boosted in 7,182 satoshis.

39:25

Congrats, you found the spot. By the way,

39:28

one origin story for the place name is

39:30

that it comes from Sammy.

39:33

Language word, oh, Chris, you got this

39:35

one. Oh, oh, uh,

39:38

Sten Givari. Oh, nice. That

39:40

is supposed to mean reindeer

39:43

mating place.

39:45

But which literally means penis lake.

39:47

No wonder Hedgehog won over when map

39:49

makers were recording the place names.

39:52

I think we ought to start a campaign to

39:54

go back to the heritage to the original name.

39:58

We shouldn't call, we should not culturally oppress. penis

40:00

like. Daja

40:02

boots in with 4747 sats. Hey

40:06

yo! You guys mentioned locally caching

40:09

title tracks, well not exactly

40:11

that. There's a tool called Tidal Media

40:13

Downloader that includes Tidal DL

40:16

and a GUI that sits on top of it. Super

40:18

handy for locally pulling down things from Tidal.

40:21

Ah, of course Tidal being well known for having

40:23

excellent quality tracks. Yes, but Sperius

40:26

Tom came in with 5000 sats. If

40:28

you're using Tidal and want an offline archive, also

40:31

recommends Tidal Media Downloader and notes

40:33

their Android app has the ability to sync things

40:35

offline as well,

40:37

though has personally had mixed results

40:39

with it. Good to know, thank you for the experience.

40:41

The Golden Dragon is back with a row of ducks.

40:45

Long time no boost. Swapped job positions.

40:47

It's a little tougher, but hopefully that long

40:50

trip

40:50

and that dream includes K-C-K?

40:52

Kentucky? Oh, that

40:56

makes me hungry. Or Wichita.

40:58

Great show.

40:59

You know, I have been to the original KFC

41:02

with Alex. We went to the very first KFC.

41:05

It's a dark, wild, twisted story

41:07

my friends.

41:08

You would not believe how much

41:10

allegations of murder and rampage are associated

41:13

with the founding of a fast food restaurant. Yeah,

41:16

it's a story. Kansas City

41:18

I think is what they are. Oh, what did I say? Kentucky?

41:21

Yeah, like an idiot. Of course, K-C of course. Scott

41:23

came in with 2000 sats. I've

41:26

deeply enjoyed boosting shows.

41:28

But I can't seem to explain it to my friends. I

41:30

have one friend who loves podcasts, but he still doesn't

41:32

get how it offers anything new compared to Patreon.

41:35

Could you guys please give me a short rundown

41:38

of how boosts are different and why they have

41:40

helped the lug.

41:42

It would be nice to send him an audio

41:44

clip of a more professional explanation.

41:46

I saw this boost come in live from Scott and I

41:49

had a lot of thoughts so I wrote him down and

41:52

I might just publish this

41:54

as like a paste bin document in the

41:56

show notes.

41:57

So Scott, you can review it later.

42:00

I think when you think about Boos

42:03

versus Patreon,

42:05

if you would indulge me for a moment, because

42:07

I've been thinking a lot about this recently,

42:09

and I think it has ramifications on free software, another

42:11

podcast, and other media.

42:13

Think about it first

42:15

for this particular case

42:17

from a small business angle.

42:19

Think about something that is a purpose-built

42:22

business to focus on content. Maybe it's like

42:24

a family-run business.

42:26

Maybe it's something

42:29

you want to run for the rest of your lifetime.

42:31

You want to own the relationship

42:34

with your customer or your listener

42:36

as much as possible because you're planning

42:38

to do this for the rest of your life.

42:40

I'm already 18 years into this,

42:43

so it seems conceivable that

42:45

I could go for 30 years

42:46

because I'm not slowing down right now.

42:49

The Boos provide

42:52

a direct relationship.

42:54

There's not a company, an organization,

42:57

or a middleman. There's no PayPal between

42:59

your message and me. There's

43:00

no

43:02

Patreon that can make policy changes

43:05

and decide, say, something like the Earn

43:07

It Act

43:08

or the Restrict Act were to pass.

43:11

Jupiter Broadcasting's public platform would

43:13

be against

43:15

those acts passing.

43:17

Now, imagine for national security reasons, those

43:19

that oppose the Earn It Act needed to be a little bit quiet.

43:22

I could see Patreon taking action to

43:25

suppress somebody who might be advocating

43:28

for everyone, including terrorists

43:30

and whoever else to have access

43:33

to encryption, which I would be.

43:35

It's very easy

43:36

as time goes on, especially when you're looking at a 30-year

43:39

timeline.

43:39

It's very easy

43:41

for my opinion and the norms

43:43

out there to not match up all the time, even

43:46

if they do right now.

43:47

If Patreon or Stripe or PayPal or

43:49

Visa or MasterCard even, or a

43:52

bank is

43:54

in between me and you,

43:57

they at some point could decide they don't

43:59

want us to have a-

45:59

But I knew it was a stack I

46:02

could build a business on long term.

46:05

And I think there's something to that that.

46:08

When

46:08

you're thinking about something that

46:10

you could run as a family for a long time,

46:13

you think about it differently

46:14

than you might as a hobbyist. But

46:16

then there's also the angle of the audience, which

46:18

I think is the most important one. And then I'm done.

46:21

But

46:22

value for value and

46:24

the boost. Create a connection

46:27

between the host and the listener that

46:30

I've never really seen before. And I've been doing this

46:32

for a while. And the beautiful thing is, is once

46:34

it's set up, it's so easy to use. It's a pain in the

46:36

butt to set up initially. But

46:37

then once it's set up,

46:39

if you use like a new podcast app,

46:40

it's a button. You just push a button in

46:42

there and you can send your message. And then you get

46:45

to hear us read your message. And that's fun. I know

46:47

that because I boost into a bunch of shows and

46:49

I love hearing my message read. And

46:51

the community has built memes

46:54

and themes and contributed to that show

46:56

like you would an open source project.

46:57

The row of ducks, the zip code boost, the Star Trek

47:00

boost, the overnight thousand boost, all of these other

47:02

little memes. We didn't create them.

47:05

The audience did. And now they're

47:07

part of our show.

47:09

And that's incredible for a Linux podcast.

47:11

Think about that. We're actually implementing

47:14

the open source ideals in the very

47:16

production of the world's largest

47:18

Linux podcast through this platform.

47:21

We've never even seen anything like this before. People

47:23

don't even know what they're seeing right now.

47:26

This is just kind of the beginning of what value

47:28

for value brings you and boosts.

47:31

The more you think about this, the healthier

47:33

it is too, as a host, like you're thinking about things in

47:35

a new way

47:36

and the audience starts thinking about things in a new way.

47:38

And I think that makes for a healthier media landscape

47:41

long term.

47:42

And then lastly, we just

47:45

make more money than we would with Patreon. Right.

47:48

And there are weeks where the Bitcoin

47:50

dad pod

47:51

brings in more Satoshi's than Linux unplug

47:53

does, which has about

47:55

fifty five thousand more listeners or

47:57

sixty thousand more listeners than that podcast. does,

48:00

and he will still sometimes bring in

48:03

a larger total sum.

48:05

That's not possible with advertising. Advertisers

48:07

won't even talk to a podcast the size of the Bitcoin

48:10

debt. It's a system

48:12

that kind of

48:13

entrenches the established large shows

48:16

and disadvantages the new shows until they

48:19

just grind it out for years

48:21

until they get enough listeners where they can

48:23

go to an advertiser and say, please, will you

48:26

sponsor me, please? But

48:29

with Boos,

48:31

if you do a great episode and somebody

48:33

sends in a baller boost, you go to the top

48:35

of a chart and now you've got thousands of listeners all of

48:38

a sudden

48:39

and in this one episode,

48:42

you know, we may make more money in Boos than others

48:44

do in Patreon. And that's

48:46

more critical right now than ever, because we're barely

48:49

going to make it if we make it,

48:51

it's never been more tenuous.

48:53

And if I didn't have this

48:55

avenue of Boos and memberships right

48:57

now, I'd be

48:59

totally panicking,

49:01

but I know that we can trust fall into the arms of the audience

49:04

and we've set up the avenues for

49:05

them to support us and

49:07

they will catch us and it's going to be

49:09

the difference

49:11

between survival and death.

49:15

And a lot of podcasters can't even cover

49:17

their run costs.

49:20

But if you start taking Boos, you do a good episode, you make good content,

49:22

you satisfy the audience, you can make a little bit of money,

49:25

you can pay for your hosting maybe more.

49:28

I mean, this is, this has got to be something, this struggle is something that

49:31

contributes to podcast fading is the struggle,

49:33

this very struggle right here. So I'm

49:35

excited about

49:35

it. And I think it's a much bigger deal than anything like Patreon.

49:41

I think Patreon can be an avenue, but

49:42

I wouldn't want to build a business on it. I'm sorry that was so long, but

49:44

I feel like it's a message people

49:47

need to hear. And Scott, thank you for asking. Open

49:49

source accountant

49:50

Boos in with 2000 sats. Log seek

49:52

sounds awesome. I left Evernote for standard

49:55

notes. Is there

49:57

a comparison? Oh,

50:01

have you ever used standard notes? No, not

50:03

really. I was taking a little peek at

50:05

it though Um, I think you know log

50:07

seek is pretty focused on the whole, you know

50:09

graph and connecting the blocks that you make

50:12

It doesn't have a lot of different things for you know flash

50:14

cards and white boards and

50:16

tasks Standard notes seems

50:18

a little more I mean you got to I think you got to pay if you

50:20

want markdown support whereas that's just like right

50:22

built into log seek It does seem to be

50:25

very focused from the get-go on the security

50:27

the sinking the encryption and log

50:29

seek has

50:29

options for those but sort of Standard

50:32

notes seems like maybe it focuses on that first and then the note-taking

50:34

is kind of a secondary concern That's

50:37

my 1000 foot view never tried it. Sure.

50:39

I think I've kind of limited some of my

50:41

considerations and options just because I want

50:43

to be able to self-host that stack But

50:46

I don't know as the members just got to hear which

50:48

got probably cut out from the main Release

50:50

show

50:51

their downsides to that as well not

50:53

always great But open source account you

50:55

might just have to give it a try and see which

50:57

one fits your mind and workflow a

50:59

little better We'd be curious to hear back I would really like

51:01

to know because I've got to solve this problem

51:04

bug eyed stormtrooper boost in with 5222 sets

51:09

These are the podcasters

51:11

were looking for a wink I

51:14

listen to the members feed and wanted to suggest

51:16

a pump-up song. It is a YouTube

51:19

song So not ideal but

51:21

still worth a listen when stars

51:23

and salt collide by the piano

51:25

guys. Nice I think we should wrap the

51:28

stream up with that this week Thank

51:30

you. I love the suggestions

51:32

bear 454 comes in with 10,000 sats

51:36

I love this. I love bear. Thank you for boosting

51:39

in there's

51:39

a longtime listener. He writes a hey there

51:42

I didn't get the deal with boosts.

51:43

Why would I want to go through the whole

51:46

crypto headache? That's a great phrase by the

51:48

way instead of just dropping a few

51:50

dollars your way

51:51

But now I see that the splits

51:54

are a really unique feature They couldn't

51:56

automatically be implemented any other way. So

51:58

maybe it's worth the headache

52:00

I gotta say, I didn't even touch on the splits in

52:03

that last, the whole thing I went around.

52:05

That's the thing, there are so many features that

52:07

it's multifaceted. Yeah,

52:10

right. It's a huge deal. There's

52:13

so much complexity

52:14

behind the scenes, managing sponsor

52:17

relationships and contracts

52:19

with hosts on their take of the sponsor

52:21

and all of it is completely,

52:24

completely opaque to the listener. They

52:26

have no idea

52:27

any of it. They don't know who

52:29

makes what or how much of what they make or what their

52:31

cut is or anything like that and that's fine because

52:33

that's always the way it's been in media. So

52:36

you're used to it. You don't even think

52:38

that it should be any other way because you've never seen

52:40

it any other way. I get it. But

52:43

the reality is as somebody

52:44

who deals with it, 80% of my off air time

52:46

is spent dealing with that stuff at

52:49

least once a quarter,

52:50

sometimes for multiple weeks.

52:52

That's what I spend my time doing.

52:54

That's what I do.

52:55

And if you just do the splits, it's all

52:57

out there in the open. You see exactly how much Brent

52:59

will make. You see how much Wes makes. You see how much I make.

53:02

You'll see the network take.

53:03

You'll see how much we're contributing to other developers

53:05

and projects with every time you boost in and

53:07

it's all right there in the RSS feed and it's

53:09

also visualized on the podcast index, even

53:11

graphically with little bars.

53:13

It's all out there. It's all transparent and there

53:15

was no back room negotiations that need to

53:18

happen or anything like that because

53:20

it just comes in as you boost

53:22

and everybody gets their cut. And it's

53:24

a great way I think to support software development and

53:26

media production. So thank

53:28

you very much, Bear, for pointing out the splits. They're

53:30

a massive part of this. And when people

53:32

do boost in,

53:34

we send a little love out to some other projects

53:36

as well as

53:37

a thank you. Bear also mentioned

53:39

a second part here. One quick note

53:41

on notes. I sync my local

53:43

notes folder to my Nextcloud server. And

53:46

from there I use Nextcloud notes on Android,

53:49

paper on my Libram 5

53:51

and Obsidian on the desktop.

53:53

The

53:53

metadata varies quite a bit, but

53:56

the Markdown base notes are synced across all my devices.

53:58

Okay. Boy,

54:02

there's more solutions than you can shake a stick at,

54:04

but that's, that's, that'd be the nice thing I like

54:06

about that is I'm using my Nextcloud instance there.

54:09

And I think given all of the pieces,

54:11

there are just so many permutations. So it's like maybe on

54:13

one device you prefer something else than, than

54:15

Bear does. And you just choose whatever you

54:17

want, Chris. You nailed it.

54:19

Didn't he just nail it, Wes? Nailed

54:21

it. I'm so proud of

54:23

him. I love watching him nail things.

54:26

Meno boosted in 16,046 sets. Hey-oh,

54:29

thank you. With two boosts. Linux

54:31

unplugged is one of my favorite podcasts and certainly

54:34

my favorite Linux related podcasts. Oh, we

54:36

gotta, we gotta work up that list just a little bit more,

54:38

but I'll take it.

54:40

Aside from the great content, the combination of

54:42

your personalities brings a certain energy

54:44

that is rare to find and just works.

54:47

Keep up the great work.

54:48

Well, thank you. You can really thank Wes though. He

54:51

supplies the Red Bull before the show.

54:53

Someone has to.

54:56

Also the boost amount is my post

54:58

code. Oh, Wes, did

55:00

you get a chance to track that one down?

55:03

We got our, we got a location. Oh, it's like it's a Christchurch

55:05

in New Zealand.

55:08

Well, there you go. Hello, New Zealand.

55:10

Thank you for writing in. Appreciate

55:11

you. Thank you everybody for boosting

55:14

in this week. There's a bunch of people that boosted in that either didn't

55:16

have a message or they were streaming sats or,

55:18

you know, maybe it's below the 2000 sat cutoff.

55:22

Either way, we appreciate you out there.

55:24

And of course

55:25

we appreciate our members. You know, you really are

55:28

our foundation. We do all of this knowing

55:30

that you're out there

55:31

and Linux Unplugged is one of the more well-supported,

55:34

but we could always use a little bit more unplugged core.com

55:36

or you can support all the shows

55:38

at Jupiter.party.

55:40

And we

55:43

got a pic this week and I think

55:45

it's a doozy. I am really loving

55:48

this find. It's called

55:49

VOD to pod RSS.

55:51

And what it does is it converts a

55:53

YouTube or Twitch channel

55:56

into a podcast feed.

55:57

Really easy to get up and going.

55:59

creates a podcast RSS feed that can be listened

56:02

inside your podcast client to choice.

56:04

It'll transcode, it'll do the download,

56:06

make it an MP3, and then

56:08

put it up in a feed.

56:10

And it says no storage server is

56:12

required. And you even get a little web

56:14

UI

56:15

to go along with it. And I think this is so great

56:17

because YouTube's trying to bring podcasts onto YouTube.

56:20

Right. I say take YouTube's and bring them into

56:22

your podcast player. Flip the script on

56:24

them.

56:25

Vod to pod dash RSS. What

56:27

do you think Wes? You like my pick? Yeah,

56:30

I really do. This looks super handy. It does

56:32

note that if you don't set up like a YouTube

56:34

API, results are limited to 15. That

56:37

might work.

56:38

Also says it works flawlessly even

56:40

on a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4. Oh,

56:43

cool. Nice. And did you note?

56:46

Mostly written in Rust. Of course.

56:49

Of course. You like it, right? I do good.

56:51

I do good. Look at your smile. I

56:53

think you did good. This is a bit of a theme that we've

56:56

been touching on the last couple episodes of bringing,

56:58

you know, creating your own RSS feed in various

57:00

ways. I do know this is like a

57:02

video formats thrown into

57:04

an RSS feed. So I'm guessing it's taking audio

57:06

only, which to be honest, most

57:09

of the stuff I ever take off YouTube. That's

57:11

what I want. Anyways. It's going

57:13

to be for the YouTube vidges that are like basically

57:15

podcasts that they're putting up on the tubes and you just

57:17

want to listen to it because you know,

57:19

audio, you can take it anywhere. The video

57:21

is a little bit more restrictive and not everybody

57:23

has the background plane. But if

57:25

you don't and you're on Android, you should get new pipe

57:27

because

57:27

it'll do the background plane. So

57:30

there's a second pick. It's a new pipe. We'd

57:32

love to have you hang out with us in our virtual

57:35

lug if we break for a production reason

57:37

or we're hanging out in the pre or post show. We're

57:40

always chatting it up in there. And of course, the momma rooms open

57:42

so you can tag me and get your thoughts into the show

57:45

live.

57:46

And it's also just a low latency way

57:48

to listen to the show. It's our live

57:50

audience for the show. They're right here with us.

57:52

It's like having. Yeah, it's as close

57:54

as it gets. We could not fit that many people

57:57

in the studio, so it's

57:59

just.

57:59

We have to do some stacking. Hmm.

58:02

Yeah. Maybe if we plankton stacked. When the show

58:04

is live, well that's a good question. You can find

58:06

out at Jupiter Broadcasting dot com slash

58:09

calendar.

58:10

And then we stream it at JBLive.tv

58:12

every single Sunday.

58:13

And we do it right here at noon Pacific

58:16

three p.m. Eastern. See you next week.

58:18

Same bad time. Same bad station.

58:21

I got a pro tip for you too. If you want to know what's

58:23

going on with the latest Linux kernel

58:25

or what's happening with Asahi or I don't

58:27

know what our thoughts are on the new Ubuntu. Well then you should be checking out

58:30

Linux Action News. Linux

58:32

Action News dot com. Wes

58:35

Payne and I are doing a pod over there every single week. Breaking

58:37

it down. Nice lean and mean.

58:40

Just what you need to know. Get you in. Get you out. Feel

58:43

like you learned a little something

58:43

on the way. Linux Action News dot com

58:45

for that. Links to what we talked about today are

58:47

over at Linux unplugged dot com slash 509 and

58:50

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58:52

Broadcasting dot com. A community

58:54

built website from the ground up. Thanks

58:57

so much for joining us on this week's episode of the Unplugged program. See

58:59

you back here next Sunday.

59:26

Thanks for watching.