0:00

We might get into this more today, but I was

0:02

just thinking about all the angles and things that

0:04

people talk about with NixOS and the rise

0:06

of its popularity. I still think there's, well,

0:09

there's a few aspects that have been

0:11

underappreciated and it has nothing

0:13

to do with the Nix package manager. I

0:16

think it's kind of remarkable, and Wes, you were talking about this the

0:18

other day too.

0:20

Nix is creating something that's enterprise-grade, but

0:22

there isn't some giant red hat or canonical

0:24

behind it. Yeah, are we witnessing

0:27

the rise of the next great non-corporate distro?

0:29

And obviously there's pluses and minuses to that.

0:31

You don't get the benefit of the budgets,

0:33

but you also don't get those budgets disappearing.

0:35

Does that mean that Nix,

0:38

much like things like Debian have been, something

0:40

we can build things upon and we'll

0:43

be able to trust it in the future? Or does

0:45

it mean the commercial interests start rushing in?

1:00

Well, hello friends and welcome back to your

1:02

weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris.

1:04

My name is Wes. And my name is

1:06

Brent. Hello, gentlemen. Well, coming up

1:08

on the show today, we're going to try out Snowflake

1:11

OS, a NixOS-based Linux

1:13

distribution that focuses on beginner friendliness

1:15

and ease of use. And

1:18

then we're going to answer some of the top questions and

1:20

concerns that have been sent into the show about trying or

1:22

switching out NixOS. But don't worry, even

1:24

if you plan to never switch to NixOS, we

1:27

invite you to come along on a hype-free ride

1:29

that will dig into one of the most rapidly

1:31

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1:33

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1:35

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events and dates to remind you all about

2:56

we have been, of course, talking about scale

2:58

coming up in like less

3:01

than 60 days, March 14th and

3:03

the 15th going on in Pasadena,

3:05

California. Scale Linux Expo 19. And

3:08

if you're going to be there, and you'd like to register

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and take 50% off, JBFTW is your

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a scale ticket. There's a lot going on.

3:17

It's the 14th through

3:19

the 17th for scale itself. And

3:21

then we got Nixcon North America coming in there

3:23

for the first couple of days of scale. So

3:26

you could do a combo deal where you can go

3:28

to Nixcon and you can go to

3:30

scale and hang out with us because I think we're going

3:32

to make some announcements next week's about our

3:35

plans. So stay

3:37

tuned for that. It's actually it really is. I

3:39

think we're getting pretty close to that milestone. We

3:41

have been attempting to raise eight million sats to

3:43

pay for lodging and travel

3:46

and to make the coverage possible. And what

3:48

we're doing, I realized we're

3:51

building a new model, one that other

3:53

podcasts could implement as well. And it's

3:55

a big deal. From my perspective, having been

3:57

doing this since 2008. What

4:00

we're doing is divorcing free software coverage

4:03

from the Big Tech marketing machine. And

4:05

this is a new model that shifts the entire trajectory

4:07

of the coverage. Think about it from our end. We

4:10

go from the old model, which

4:12

was how do we

4:14

make a trip mutually beneficial for JB and

4:16

the sponsor and something the audience could enjoy

4:18

still? Right? That's really

4:20

it because you're asking them to get the checkbook out

4:23

and write a big old like $5,000 plus check. And

4:26

that's like minimum cost JB makes no profit. We

4:29

want to go to an event that isn't actually

4:31

about you, but we think we can justify why

4:33

it's relevant to your interest. That's

4:35

the conversation. It's how good can Chris sell that

4:38

is what it comes down to. And

4:41

that's fine, but I don't think that's really how

4:43

you want to start something like this, especially something

4:45

that's in the free software realm. With

4:47

this new model, the audience decides. Is that an event

4:49

that's worth covering? They fund it. It

4:52

takes the guesswork out for us. It keeps us focused

4:54

on the content, on the event, on the coverage. We're

4:57

not trying to add in to make sure we

4:59

have enough focus on the folks paying for it because the

5:01

focus is reporting on the conference. Sometimes

5:03

you can do it right, man. But sometimes

5:05

it's a big distraction and if – just

5:07

personal side. You guys know this,

5:10

but it always means like five months

5:12

of meetings for me. If I – at least

5:14

six weeks of meetings every – getting in there

5:16

and – it's so much overhead versus this, which

5:19

is focused. And it's razor thin, which

5:22

is great because we need to keep the margins thin. We got to

5:24

keep costs down. I see

5:26

it as an investment in a more sustainable way

5:28

to cover Linux and free software. You

5:30

got to realize we've been doing this since 2008, so we

5:33

got a pretty good track record too. So it's not like

5:35

you're just throwing your SATs away here. We're

5:37

going to go do great free software coverage

5:40

and you're helping us build that. So we're 53

5:42

days away. We're under 60 days.

5:44

It's getting close. We

5:46

have set that goal to 8 million SATs to

5:49

get gas, lodging, some food. We're going to total up

5:51

today at the end of the boost to see where

5:53

we're at. We're getting really close. So

5:55

your next boost could be the one that puts

5:57

us over the top. That could be – We

6:00

may be able to get to that by next episode, also

6:04

my birthday episode. So if you want

6:06

to put it over the top on my birthday episode, I wouldn't

6:08

mind that at all. And then

6:10

we should also have some announcements around that.

6:14

Oh, it's all coming together. I

6:16

think it's really great. I mean we can't do this

6:18

for every event. We can't do it 100 times a year. But

6:21

every now and then when there's an event that's worth covering,

6:23

the audience can get behind. This

6:25

is a model that's going to work, I think. We'll see.

6:27

I think we're really close.

6:29

And, Brentley, there are some mentions you wanted

6:31

to make about upcoming meetups that are just

6:33

shortly around the corner as well. Yeah, one

6:35

of the biggest free software conferences, FOSDIM,

6:38

is happening in a couple weeks in

6:40

Europe. If you want

6:42

to get connected with some

6:44

JB folks, we do have a dedicated

6:46

matrix room for FOSDIM called

6:48

the FOSDIM Meetup Matrix Room. We

6:51

have a link to that in the show notes. I

6:53

unfortunately wanted to be there. I don't think

6:55

that's going to happen unless some kind of

6:58

multi-miracles happen to get me there.

7:01

But I think you

7:03

should do a self-meetup, the JB crew, and

7:05

tell us how it goes. Send us photographs

7:07

and stories and just

7:09

generally meetup. It would be really, really

7:11

great if somebody wanted to go and then pop in the

7:13

mobile room and give us a boots on the ground report.

7:15

Oh, we'd take that for sure. Details

7:18

in the show notes as well as a link to that matrix room that

7:21

Brent mentioned. So

7:24

you've decided or are considering

7:26

taking the NixOS quest. This

7:29

is an interesting step, and I wonder

7:31

if you guys agree, but in a way, I think

7:33

at least right now, NixOS

7:36

is kind of the final boss fight in Linux. And

7:39

when you conquer NixOS, you're

7:42

kind of done with other Linux distros because it changes the

7:44

way you look at Linux and the way you manage a

7:46

system. It really

7:48

– it's not that tough. I don't mean to make it

7:51

sound like it's like the end battle of a video game,

7:53

but it is more challenging than a typical distro. I

7:55

mean it undoes a lot of the stuff that –

7:58

you know, right? I mean there's no

8:00

– There's no apps, there's no T-baggies, there's no DNS. Everything's

8:03

immutable. The way that the system is built

8:05

is radically different. I

8:07

think it's probably maybe harder if you are

8:09

an experienced Linux user because there's all that

8:12

unlearning to do and anything, not everything, but

8:14

a lot of the stuff you might have

8:16

in your bag of tricks isn't going to

8:18

work the same. And you

8:20

absolutely could warm up by installing a Nix package

8:22

manager on your distro of choice. It is just

8:25

a package manager. This happens to be

8:27

a great package manager. They describe it as a

8:30

cross-platform package manager that uses a

8:32

deployment model where software is installed

8:34

into unique directories generated through cryptographic

8:36

hashes. That is true. And

8:39

it just also happens to make a banger of an OS when

8:41

you use that system. And

8:43

so I've definitely seen a trend with

8:45

the questions that come into this show

8:48

via Matrix, via Boost, via email. They're

8:52

never ever about running

8:54

the Nix package manager on their distro. I

8:56

mean I shouldn't say ever. We've

8:58

seen some feedback about it. But

9:01

the vast, vast majority

9:03

is people just going

9:05

straight into Nix OS all the way. That's

9:08

where the questions seem to be. Not so much around just

9:11

trying to Nix out on like Fedora. Yeah,

9:13

I wonder how much does that lack of interest. I

9:15

suppose it's, you know, if you're well-served

9:17

by Flatpak and you know Fedora's got a lot of

9:19

great applications and if you're not a developer trying to

9:21

package or run your own apps, maybe

9:24

we haven't made a pitch that's been that great. Or do

9:26

you think that kind of just works

9:28

for folks and Nix OS is where more of

9:30

the mysteries lie? It might

9:32

be a lack of understanding because it's

9:34

not normal that you can just take a package

9:36

manager from a distro and just install it on

9:38

another distro or on Mac OS. That's not a

9:41

normal thing. And so I

9:43

don't know if the benefits are inherently obvious.

9:46

Right. It also kind of like it doesn't, it's not like it forces

9:49

itself with a bunch of hooks deep into your system.

9:51

So yeah, it's kind of unique, maybe

9:53

not totally unique. But yeah, a

9:55

rare tool that can so lightly sit and

9:57

also add so many packages to your system.

10:00

But the reason why I think there is a

10:02

market for it, just on other distros, is

10:04

because the AUR is popular. And there are entire

10:06

groups of people that adopt ARCH for the AUR.

10:09

So imagine you could have the AUR

10:11

or the depth of

10:13

the AUR, but on any distro you want. Even

10:16

some old Debian install. Or

10:18

Slackware, I think. I've never tried it on Slackware,

10:20

but I imagine you could probably get it working

10:22

on Slackware. Yeah, I mean it brings so much

10:24

power to bear in just having a build system

10:26

and how many things have

10:28

been solved. If you can get Nyx working, then you

10:30

can get a lot of stuff working. Does it feel

10:33

like a bit of a miss that the

10:35

AUR didn't take this approach? Hmm. No.

10:38

I don't know what you think, Wes, but it

10:40

feels like you had to have the AUR before you could have this,

10:42

perhaps. Well, yeah, and it's also

10:45

part of the power, and what makes it

10:47

a little tricky is Nyx is going back

10:49

and redoing things from so many different layers.

10:51

And I think where AUR fits more into

10:53

the sort of ARCH version of

10:55

simplicity, which is take the tools we have now

10:58

and just make them work in a very simple, clear way. And

11:01

that's one of the nice things about ARCH. The

11:03

AUR is you don't have a ton of fancy

11:05

tooling, but also the files

11:08

to manage it are just really simple to get

11:10

started with. I think, too, there

11:12

are some use cases for Nyx OS itself

11:14

that are very compelling that I'd like to touch

11:16

on for a moment. I

11:18

think if you have multiple systems, having

11:21

a central config that you can move between your systems

11:23

and just modify slightly for each box and maybe even

11:25

manage it through GitHub or just copy a text file

11:27

over a thumb drive, however you like to do it,

11:30

is so super nice. It's

11:32

kind of unquantifiable how many

11:34

ways it improves your life. And

11:38

then additionally, when you're managing computers for family,

11:40

like I've got three kids, each one of

11:42

them has a laptop. We're

11:44

all Nyx now. We're all Nyx

11:46

on all of their systems because it

11:48

is essentially the same computer for all

11:50

three of them with slight modifications of

11:52

their user experience. And

11:55

when you solve a problem in

11:57

Nyx, that problem is generally so simple.

11:59

solved forever. And in

12:02

every distro, I've had this

12:04

problem with Dylan's hybrid graphics. He

12:07

has an AMD graphics card built in

12:09

with an NVIDIA dedicated card. The

12:12

more common scenario is Intel

12:14

built in NVIDIA hybrid

12:17

graphics. Right. This is a Ryzen

12:19

system. So it's AMD GPU, NVIDIA GPU.

12:21

A lot of distros break on that.

12:24

Fedora has broken multiple times for me on that.

12:27

On NixOS, it's three config lines and

12:29

it's solved forever. And then

12:31

if I ever get another system that has that same

12:33

setup, I copy those three lines and I paste it

12:35

on my other computer and it's solved. That's

12:38

a massive time saver for me. Even if I

12:40

had to learn that syntax once, which I did,

12:42

I now have it in like

12:44

a repository of my Nix configs and I can just

12:46

go grab that whenever I need it. And it's a

12:48

solved problem going forward. That saves me time

12:50

long, long term. And I feel like I'm investing

12:52

in a set of skills that gives

12:54

me more power and more capabilities as time goes

12:56

on to have more management and more

12:58

control over my systems and to make

13:01

them more exactly what I expect and rock solid. There's

13:03

also something to having, you know,

13:05

sort of one spot to look both in terms

13:07

of the config file, but also just like what

13:10

you can do, right? Like, obviously, you

13:12

can push Nix and do all kinds of stuff. But if

13:14

you're just using it as a, you know, as a user

13:16

of NixOS, you've got, you know, online and

13:18

a list of packages and a list of services.

13:20

So you, you know, instead of having to wonder,

13:22

what can I do with this box, it's kind

13:24

of presented to you in the manual and in

13:26

other places of like, look, you have all these

13:28

options that all you got to do is check.

13:30

Yes. What I appreciate as well is that you

13:32

can share those configs with other folks like Chris,

13:34

you've this one thing you've been enjoying the most

13:36

recently is our listeners sending in

13:39

their configs and you can learn quite quickly

13:41

what someone's system looks like and feels like

13:43

and what features they have just from a

13:45

few lines of text. And that's powerful. Yeah,

13:48

or that's how you solve that, right? Oh, that's

13:50

how you did that is the other one that's

13:52

nice about it. Oh, okay. Oh, grab

13:55

that. And

13:57

you can actually try it, right? Like you can pop down

13:59

stuff. from their config or their whole config, rebuild

14:02

your system and try it out, and then you go back

14:04

to your config. So here's some common questions. We've broken them

14:06

down into a couple that seem to

14:08

be the most frequently repeated. And

14:11

one was, is NixOS really only for

14:13

people who like to tinker? Sounds

14:15

like when we talk about it, because I guess we make it

14:17

sound like it's a tinkerer's thing. Is NixOS

14:20

only for people who like to tinker? No, I

14:22

don't think so. I mean, if

14:24

you're going to get the most, if you're going to dive

14:26

in, if you're going to learn about Nix and the Nix

14:28

language, and all these things, I

14:30

mean, you probably got to be a computer

14:32

user or interested in understanding those things. But

14:35

in some sense, the power of NixOS is that it kind

14:37

of just presents you with the one

14:40

config file. And that can be

14:42

managed graphically. We'll talk about that. But in some

14:45

sense, it's just like, here's a fancy JSON file that

14:47

you can play with to message your thing.

14:49

And you don't have to tinker. There's not a lot of

14:51

options. You only get the options exposed by the NixOS modules

14:54

if you don't do anything custom. So no,

14:56

I don't think so. Well, I've used it in both cases. I've

14:59

used it in like an appliance machine case

15:01

where you just want it to work and

15:03

to work as expected. And

15:05

that has been fabulous. But also,

15:08

I think it's a tinkering enabler if you

15:10

want it to be. Because

15:12

let's say you want to try a new

15:14

desktop environment. Well, you just switch

15:16

that line in your config, and boom,

15:18

you've got it. And

15:20

rolling back those changes is just

15:23

as trivial. So in a way, I

15:26

felt much safer tinkering on this

15:28

system than I have with previous

15:30

classic Linux distributions because it felt

15:34

like those changes were less permanent. And

15:37

I think that's a real enabler, too. You don't have to

15:39

be a tinker. But maybe you

15:41

become one because it's just easier and safer.

15:43

Yeah, I'll echo that. I think I've seen

15:45

both. My home server, I change very little.

15:48

It is very much an appliance about

15:51

once a month I update it. And that's

15:54

about it. It works. It's fine. Same

15:56

with our OBS machine here in the studio.

15:58

NixOS running plasma. We ch- change it

16:01

very little. It has one

16:03

job. Every now and then

16:05

though, we decide to go a little crazy.

16:08

And like, I don't know, three months ago

16:10

or something, we decided, let's

16:12

try out Wayland, let's try out Pipewire, let's

16:14

try out Plasma Sick. Like we could just

16:16

do all these different things and re-plumb the

16:18

whole system. Something we've never done

16:21

when it was an Ubuntu based system because it was

16:23

so fragile. We literally knew we were

16:25

going to put this thing into a broken state. One

16:27

of our primary recording broadcasting machines. We knew we were going

16:30

to be breaking it. Yeah, one of the

16:32

updates we did ended up when you rebooted that

16:35

it totally busted graphics acceleration. So

16:37

the mouse was just like, slow

16:39

lagging across the screen. Like three

16:41

frames a second. And we were able to

16:43

do the testing that we wanted, check to see what

16:46

had changed, see if that feature was there that we

16:48

needed. And then we rebooted, selected

16:50

the old instance. It was

16:52

like we'd never done any of that. So it

16:54

can enable tinkering. But what

16:57

I have found in my personal experience is

16:59

it starts with tinkering. And then you

17:02

kind of once you're done, you've solved it, you

17:04

don't really adjust it anymore. And so once as

17:06

time goes on, there's nothing really to tinker with anymore,

17:08

because you've solved it. It becomes a

17:10

lot less. NixOS, it

17:12

breaks the dichotomy we generally think about with

17:14

Linux distros, where you have your stable distros,

17:17

like your centauses, or maybe

17:19

Debian, and your mince out there for

17:21

desktops. And then you have your more cutting edge

17:23

leading edge like Fedora and arch. And you generally

17:25

got to pick in somewhere in this gradient. And

17:27

that's how you decide what, you know, kind of

17:29

software update cadence you're going to have and risk

17:32

tolerance that you have, etc. Stable

17:34

and slow, stable or slow, stable

17:36

or slow. That's not Nix. With

17:39

Nix, you could have appliance level stability,

17:41

you could go with an LTS kernel, you

17:43

could pin certain versions. If something

17:46

doesn't work, you reboot, you select a previous state, your

17:49

system config changes, updates, they sanity

17:51

check before the system will build

17:53

or execute them. I don't

17:55

think most people are getting their heads around this yet. This

17:58

whole problem of do I go cutting Edge or

18:00

Super Stable, gone. Do I

18:02

go rolling? Do I go release? Gone.

18:06

It's gone. And you know, the

18:08

other thing that's gone is that

18:10

crux that builds up with these old systems. Yeah,

18:13

no kidding, right? All the extra files that

18:15

end up scattered around Etsy and slash user

18:18

bar somewhere. You try

18:20

things, you install things. Sometimes

18:22

things have build dependencies. Right.

18:25

You end up, yeah, you added things and then

18:27

you go to update and, oh, right, PPA is

18:29

broken now. And yeah, but I was using that

18:32

dependency when I got this other thing. And yeah,

18:35

like this install in front of us here is from 2017. There's a

18:37

lot of stuff on

18:39

this. I mean, it's still running, but every

18:42

about twice a year actually app completely breaks

18:44

on it now. And I got

18:46

to go in and go into single user mode and fix

18:49

things. That is also

18:51

gone. It's gone. You

18:53

can just say goodbye to it. You can switch. You

18:56

can switch desktop environments. You can be a

18:58

plasma user one day and a no

19:00

music the next day. And it was like it was

19:02

never installed. It's so clean. I

19:06

think it's just a massive improvement because it

19:08

clears out all this technical debt that accumulates

19:10

on your install over time. And so the

19:12

install always feels sort of fresh. I mean,

19:14

my home directory gets to be a mess

19:16

over time because I just that's me, right?

19:18

But you even have like Nick's impermanence options.

19:20

Yeah. You go a whole hog on this.

19:22

The system though, and I've got multiple now that have

19:24

been installed for a while, feels just as

19:27

clean and pure as it did

19:29

the day I installed it. I think that's a

19:31

large part of consequence of the, you know, the

19:33

immutability and the sort of building

19:35

from the bottom up design, right? Like on

19:38

a regular Linux system on a bunch of

19:40

box, you're kind of you're mutating everything in

19:42

place, right? You're banging against your one install.

19:44

You're messing with stuff. Yes. You can't really

19:46

undo it in a clean way. You know,

19:48

you hope that everything gets removed and you

19:50

know, you didn't lose anything but with Nix,

19:52

it's everything's in the Nix door and the

19:54

system is composed up like a tree from

19:56

that. So if it's no longer referenced by

19:58

anything, Nick knows. they can just collect that

20:00

garbage for you. Another question we get is

20:02

what is the software experience like? You know,

20:04

set up an installation, how hard is that,

20:07

and how big is the repo, is it deep

20:09

compared to Ubuntu, what is setting up things like?

20:12

The answer there is, you know,

20:14

you can go hard mode and do the command

20:16

line, or you can download their graphical installer for

20:19

Nome Plasma x86 and I think ARM

20:21

64. Definitely not 32-bit though,

20:23

womp, womp. Or you could,

20:25

you know, you could try something like Snowflake, which we're

20:27

going to talk about in a moment. It is, I think,

20:29

you know, if you're someone that's done an arch

20:31

installer comfortable on the command line, the

20:34

process is relatively, you know, there's only a couple of commands.

20:36

The main part of that is you're going to have to

20:38

have a, you know, a configuration file, and that's a whole

20:40

thing to learn on itself. But if you have a config

20:42

file and you're trying to install a system from it, real

20:45

simple. It is very, yeah, it could be a pretty basic

20:47

config file. I would say it's substantially

20:49

easier than Gen 2, and

20:51

noticeably quicker and easier than arch from

20:54

the command line. it's the

20:56

least obvious. As far

20:58

as the depth of the software

21:00

repository, probably one of the

21:03

deepest, because it doesn't have that,

21:05

doesn't have these different universe

21:07

and the main repo and the AUR, like

21:09

it doesn't have these different differences. It's just

21:11

the Nix repository. You

21:14

know, it is, yeah, I think it's what, like

21:16

80,000 packages or something. It does have its own

21:18

quirks, right? Like sometimes there'll be some

21:20

lag in versions, usually not a ton, but you know, a

21:22

couple, if it's a frequently updated project, it might be a

21:24

couple point releases. Often for those things,

21:27

you can, you know, there's ways out if

21:29

you want to be able to build it yourself or reference

21:31

some binary file or use it in a container or something,

21:33

but. And

21:35

then also, you know, it is to

21:37

some extent, but there are releases, but it's like, there's

21:40

also unstable, which is like a rolling, and you

21:42

don't really get quite the, like

21:45

if you're going from a bunch of LTS experience, you

21:47

don't get, well, you might in

21:49

practice have that stability if you're concerned about version

21:52

numbers. Changing and whatnot, updating. Yeah, you're not gonna

21:54

get that. Unless

21:56

you do some tomfoolery to pin to

21:59

a specific version. Right. like that. And

22:02

that's for those types of workloads where

22:04

you're concerned about specific versions. That's

22:06

where I really think we've moved to containers or

22:08

VMs. And then you run a host NIC system.

22:12

I want to talk about running some services on NICs

22:14

though, because this is also where it's just so damn

22:16

sweet. I decided to set up sync

22:18

thing on a NICs server we have running here

22:20

in the studio. Again, it's

22:22

probably got five lines of code that get added

22:24

to the NICs config. When I say code, it's

22:27

easy to understand YAML basically, easy to read. You

22:29

could have never read it before in your life.

22:31

And if you've ever seen a config file and

22:33

you read it, you'd understand what it's doing instantly.

22:35

That's the same as a lot, right? Like you

22:37

just you have keys and values for things and

22:39

you have lists of stuff and just some combinations

22:41

of that. And it's easy to kind of understand,

22:43

okay, if somebody put that, I should replace it

22:45

with my path and it's really easy. So

22:47

I put sync thing in there. And what's

22:49

nice about this method in NICs is when

22:51

you install sync thing, you

22:54

are doing everything at once. You're telling the system I

22:56

want sync thing, I want the service enabled, I want

22:58

it to set up a system D unit file, I

23:00

want it to start that for me, I want to

23:02

open a port in my firewall, if you have one,

23:04

I want to make sure it's running as this user.

23:07

And all of that is just in these like

23:09

four or five lines. And then you

23:11

save it and you build that config. And when the

23:13

config is initialized, sync

23:15

thing starts, and you now have a sync

23:18

thing server. It's

23:20

really easy because every

23:22

update you do now is that's incorporated. So

23:24

installing something like tail scale is

23:27

one line in the config. It's like,

23:29

turn the service on and NICs knows if well, if

23:32

I'm turning on this tail scale service, well,

23:34

then I probably got to figure out everything that that

23:36

depends on, which means I need to install tail scale,

23:38

and it just does everything from there. And

23:41

it makes it so simple, I set up a

23:43

sync thing server running on tail scale in 15

23:45

minutes, just so I can start

23:47

syncing data off of our our server here that's dying. And I

23:50

thought, I'll do it. I'll do it over same thing. Why not?

23:52

It's quick. And it

23:54

was and it's really nice to that one

23:56

little like, yeah, I want it rain

23:58

is this user, okay, build again. I've

24:01

done that to just run Jellyfin on

24:03

Nix before. Just stand it up real

24:05

quick, give guest access and

24:07

away you go. The other neat

24:09

part is we were doing the 32-bit challenge. With

24:12

Nix, you've got binary caches, so tail scale

24:14

just installs real quick and easy. But

24:16

if you need to, Nix is ready

24:19

to go build the whole thing, including building the

24:21

Go tool chain for you. So

24:23

you can rely on it as long as you've got the

24:26

time, but you can also have your own

24:28

binary cache if you have a bunch of stuff that you need.

24:30

So there's a lot of ways to do a lot of escape

24:32

edges. Before we get to Snowflake, our

24:34

last question, Hybrid Sarcasm asked on Matrix,

24:36

what are some great resources you guys

24:39

recommend? I want to remind everybody

24:41

that listener Olympia Mike wrote a Getting Started with

24:43

Nix OS blog post and a couple other in

24:45

that series. We'll link to that in the show

24:47

notes. There's the Zero to Nix series as well.

24:50

Then a little tip that's been really popular in our

24:52

community for people that are trying out Nix OS. Install

24:55

distro box. If

24:57

you're trying something on Nix and you can't figure out how

25:00

to get it to work on Nix, you

25:02

have a little escape hatch with distro box.

25:05

You could have an arch environment or a

25:07

fedora environment or an Ubuntu environment, whatever it

25:09

is, Debian, whatever, that

25:11

you can open up in your terminal, and it's

25:13

a familiar environment that will have everything you expect

25:15

and everything your applications expect, and you

25:17

can get the job done. This has

25:19

been one of the go-to cheat codes when

25:22

people are fighting the final Nix boss is

25:24

they use distro box as an escape hatch for a bit

25:27

to do what they need and then get back on their

25:29

main system. Do consider distro box.

25:31

We've talked about it before on the show, but I

25:33

think it does make transitioning to Nix OS a little

25:35

simpler, a little easier to have that optionality. You

25:37

also might consider just trying it out in

25:39

a virtual machine before you go onto a

25:42

system. I think having installed it once and

25:44

then looked at the configuration file, maybe tried to

25:46

change a couple of things, but just in a

25:48

nice environment where you can easily reboot it or

25:50

restore it, that'll give you a

25:52

lot more confidence when you go to say install on your laptop

25:54

or on a VPS or something. I

25:59

don't. If you're

26:02

in IT, if you deal with the security aspect

26:04

of IT particularly, listen to this. I

26:06

think this would have been a fantastic tool back

26:08

in my day. When I was in IT, this has been

26:10

a bit now, but bring your own device was really just

26:12

starting with the iPhone. Hadn't really moved

26:15

to devices like laptops and cloud services

26:17

weren't as prominent as they are today.

26:19

Now there's a lot of different

26:22

things out there that can impact the end

26:24

user that they don't even realize is happening.

26:26

It's not necessarily their fault, but phished credentials

26:28

are definitely a problem. Maybe outdated software, maybe

26:31

their machines config or build just isn't

26:34

compliant with your policies. Now how do

26:36

you deal with that in a scalable

26:38

way that doesn't drain resources in IT?

26:42

It's Collide. collide.com/unplugged. Go check

26:44

this out. Collide is

26:46

the answer to all of this. You can

26:48

say goodbye to phished credentials and non-compliant devices

26:51

because Collide will help analyze and make sure

26:53

a system is compliant, up to date, and

26:55

working and secure before it connects to your

26:57

apps and your network. How

26:59

about that? And it gives

27:01

you a single pane of glass to manage

27:03

the different OS's your users might have Windows,

27:05

Linux, and Mac OS in their mobile devices

27:07

all in one place where you can run reports, do the

27:09

auditing that you need to do. And

27:12

here's another bit. And this is why I think you should

27:14

go to collide.com/unplugged and see the demo because here's another bit

27:16

that I think is so great. Collide

27:18

engages directly with the end users to help them

27:20

resolve the issue. You know, if it's

27:23

like you need a new version of antivirus or you have

27:25

to have a better password, why have that

27:27

go in as a ticket and take 20, 30, 45

27:29

minutes when somebody's done the

27:31

whole complete cycle of somebody else's time just to resolve that

27:34

one problem when the user would be happy to fix it?

27:37

They could fix it quick. And it

27:39

de-escalates that edge that can happen between

27:41

end users and IT because we're empowering

27:43

users now to solve these problems themselves

27:45

right away using your existing policies and

27:48

resources and the messaging platform you'd like.

27:51

That's what Collide does. So I think you've got to go see this demo

27:53

because it really feels like it could just take

27:55

out some of the low-hanging fruit, make everybody a

27:58

little happier, a little more secure. and

28:00

make sure everything is proper before it gets connected.

28:03

Go experience it firsthand. It really is great. Go discover

28:05

it. collide.com. That's k-o-l-i-d-e.com/unplugged.

28:08

Get a demo and support

28:10

the show. collide.com/unplugged.

28:19

Well, Chris, you brought to our attention

28:21

Snowflake OS, which is touted as

28:24

Nix OS for starters. Everything is nice

28:26

and simple, and I will say

28:28

there are some nice things about it. I know you

28:31

used it for most of the week. How

28:33

did it go? I was pretty

28:36

impressed. Snowflake OS definitely is designed

28:39

at the beginner, but it does

28:41

provide some nice advanced options too.

28:43

So it's kind of funny. We'll

28:45

get into that. And I think we'll also get into

28:48

the question of is this appropriate for Nix OS

28:50

as well. But we can save that for

28:52

a moment, boys. Let's just get into some of

28:54

the basics that I observed. They've booted

28:56

right into a nice GNOME desktop,

28:58

and they have something called the Icicle

29:01

installer that is

29:03

very nice. It's

29:05

not too un-similar to other distro installers

29:08

that you're used to, but it's pretty

29:10

quick. I don't think it's anything... I

29:12

liked that it launched G-parted for me to do

29:15

my... Oh yeah, yeah. That was nice. ...partition, because

29:17

I'm just going to do that anyway. And I

29:19

don't think it's written anything offensive. It's GTK4 in

29:21

Libubuairia, so it looks good. Rust under the hood.

29:23

Oh, it is. It's like...

29:26

It's just like... Boom, boom, boom!

29:30

Nice. You got three options in

29:33

your old install. And by the way, you're going to

29:35

need more than 20 gigs free. Not just 20 gigs,

29:37

but more than 20 gigs. You can't get around that.

29:39

I only had 20 gigs because I was doing one

29:41

of my VMs and RAM things, right? You

29:44

just got to do the custom partition. It won't actually

29:47

stop you. Just... Yeah, if you do

29:49

the auto-partitioner, it will. But if you have

29:51

like 21 gigs, it'll do it. There's

29:53

three options, basic, expert, or try, live. And

29:56

with basic, you set your language, your time,

29:58

you know, you select the desk, just... basic

30:00

entire disk if you want. You could kick out to

30:02

GParted still. But Advanced though is the way

30:04

to go. The Advanced installed, it's the

30:06

same at first, but then

30:08

like you know, you can set your host

30:11

name, your root password, you can do extra

30:13

package managers like Flatpak or AppImage. Although

30:15

AppImage caused my install not to work, so I

30:17

had to go back and only choose Flatpak. And

30:19

you also, which I think is really great for workstation

30:21

use cases, the installer lets you

30:23

choose between the long-term support kernel, the absolute latest

30:26

kernel or maybe you just want to go all

30:28

Libre, get your RMS on, or the

30:30

Zen kernel if you still want to do that. And

30:33

I thought that was really nice in the Advanced

30:35

mode. And then it appears as it's installing, it's

30:37

everything's a flake. It's not setting up channels, it's

30:39

not using Nix environment, it's flakes. And

30:42

yeah, known by default. I got caught by

30:44

the flake setup because I got this installed and

30:46

went to just like, hey,

30:49

I wonder what they have in their Nix

30:51

config. So I went like, you know, nano

30:53

because obviously, nano, that's

30:55

the Nix OS, you know, config.nix. And

30:58

one does. And gentlemen, it's basically

31:01

empty. And at first I kind

31:03

of freaked out slightly about then I was like, oh, no, no,

31:05

right, right, right, right. They're doing this a little differently. Yeah,

31:08

I think on the installed system, there's just

31:10

a flake.nix in the Nix OS. Oh,

31:13

it's wild. It's a wild place, my friends. It's a

31:15

wild place, but it gets you access to a lot

31:18

of software and they set it up for you. So

31:20

it's done right. It's definitely in

31:22

a sort of like kitchen sink style,

31:24

seemingly, right? Like it's installing a lot

31:26

of packages, which is why it needs

31:28

all that disk space. But you do have stuff like

31:31

a podcast client already installed and ready to go. So

31:33

that that might be nice for some setups. Yeah,

31:36

I mean, just to get this out of the way, because I know this

31:38

is gonna be one of the number one things we're gonna hear from people.

31:41

Yes, it does take longer to install Nix this way

31:43

than just doing it from the command line. Yes.

31:46

The point is, is we need something

31:49

that is available to folks who were never gonna do it

31:51

on the command line. Yeah. And if they're okay with like,

31:53

you know, hitting next a couple times and then, you know,

31:56

walking away checking on it. I

31:58

think distributions like mangero not to make

32:00

a computer. comparison or EndeavorOS, again, not

32:02

comparing, or Entergos, they

32:05

brought Arch to a totally new

32:07

audience of user. And

32:09

I think Arch benefited from

32:11

that, and I believe Snowflake is going to do the

32:13

same thing for Nick. Even though NixOS has its

32:15

own graphical installer, it's really not that hard. There's

32:18

some good defaults here. There are. I

32:21

mean, there is a lot of software installed, but there's some good stuff

32:23

in here. A lot of it's just how I would have set it

32:25

up and done anyways. Yeah, no, it feels like a super usable

32:27

system, sort of, right out of the gate, which is really nice. I'm

32:30

curious what you gentlemen think, because I ended

32:32

up with mixed emotions about how to install

32:35

software, because my first look was like,

32:37

oh, if I'm going to install

32:39

NixOS for my father, like he just wants

32:41

to install software with a GUI, right? And

32:44

so they have the NixOS Software Center here,

32:46

which is actually really nice

32:48

and speedy and has some cool options

32:51

to even just run the software temporarily

32:54

in the Nix kind of fashions, just

32:56

as a little drop down. Yeah, that's

32:58

another Rust app there. Oh,

33:01

Wes is counting them. That's two at least. But

33:05

that got me thinking about what's happening under

33:07

the hood, because the GUI there makes things

33:09

super, super, super easy and nice and like

33:12

really friendly and discoverable. But

33:14

then if you're installing this as a bit

33:16

of a NixOS beginner and tinkerer, then with

33:19

all the flakes underneath, I'm not sure if

33:21

it's actually that beginner friendly. If you want

33:24

to get away from the GUI

33:26

a little bit and start to poke around in the

33:28

system itself. I mean, I think there might just

33:30

be a certain amount of essential

33:33

complexity if you do want to get out of the

33:36

out of the GUI, out of the easy path and start playing with

33:38

it. Is that

33:40

where you go into tinkering mode? I'm not

33:42

like if you haven't done any Nix, I'm

33:44

not sure if flakes would necessarily be that

33:46

much more confusing. That's my thought. If

33:48

you're going to start from zero anyways,

33:51

you're just learning this path instead of the path

33:53

where we put it in the config file and

33:56

then you do a rebuild. So I'm outdated is what you're saying. You're

33:58

already an old man that fast. I don't believe it.

34:00

It's only been a year and a half.

34:02

Like for instance, by default here, if I go

34:05

to install GNOME Terminal, because you get the

34:07

new ones, the console app

34:09

by default, by

34:11

default it'll install it into your Nix profile just

34:13

like running Nix space profile on the command line.

34:15

And so if you're already doing that with the

34:17

Flake version of Nix

34:20

N space, basically, then it

34:22

would be the place you expect. I

34:24

don't really think the end user that's trying out

34:26

Snowflake needs to worry about any of this complexity

34:28

because to Brent's point, the software

34:30

center, it works just like GNOME Software Center.

34:32

You would have no idea what it's doing

34:35

under the hood other than it just installs

34:37

app and work. I

34:39

installed Mumble. I installed Audacity. I

34:41

installed a couple of things just through this. And

34:44

the only way I really knew what it was doing

34:46

was just by investigating under the hood. There

34:49

was no outward decision I had

34:51

to make or technical aspect in

34:53

XOS I needed to understand to get those

34:55

applications. It's the first time I've

34:57

ever used a graphical application to install

34:59

a Nix app. And I like it.

35:01

I like it because it's useful for

35:03

discovery just like the same reason I like Flat

35:06

Hub. I find out about stuff by

35:08

using applications or services or websites like

35:10

this. And the fact that it's

35:12

not doing some weird, strange, like

35:15

Debian repository ad and importing GPG keys that

35:17

this HTTP endpoint is going to be available

35:19

for three years and it's going to go

35:21

away like none. I don't have to worry

35:23

about any of that to get access to

35:25

a giant repository software. So I think in

35:28

terms of integrating applications like

35:32

the Software Center for Nix, they nailed it. They

35:35

have a couple other tools that they want to

35:37

integrate in there too. I love and

35:39

Brent noticed this that in the Nix

35:41

Software Center because it's powered by Nix

35:44

it also gives you the option to

35:46

run without installing because one way or another it just

35:48

has to get into the Nix store. You don't have to

35:50

make it permanent. I love that about Nix. That's

35:53

one of the people when people ask like what's so great

35:55

about it? I'm like well you ever wanted to just install

35:58

an app for a few minutes or for one day? job

36:01

and then blow it away when you're done, you can do that.

36:03

You say, when does that come up? Well,

36:05

I had to like convert some file

36:08

format the other day. Or no, it

36:10

was a compression format. I had

36:12

to uncompress something that was like a file format,

36:14

a compression format I never get in. I don't

36:16

need that tool installed regularly. So I just

36:18

installed it for that session. I think you

36:20

can even, if you kind of take it a little

36:22

farther, it changes a little bit how you think about

36:24

the software on your system because it's like, I've

36:27

been running VS Code this way. The fact

36:29

that it just ends up cached and for the most part I

36:31

just run it off my system is sort of a secondary implementation

36:34

optimization detail. And I think about

36:36

like, I'm just running this Nix

36:38

Packages hash VS Code. You

36:41

have this almost like full path to specifying this

36:43

application that you want to run. It's not some

36:45

state on your system, it's like a abstract

36:48

universal thing. Any system you can just refer

36:50

to. I want to run Nix Packages X

36:53

and Nix will summon it and run it back and forth for you.

36:55

And now you have it. So

36:57

there's also, I guess, takeaway

36:59

with Snowflake OS, kind

37:02

of a compelling idea. I think it's been around for a

37:04

couple years now, started in 2022 I think. I don't think

37:07

it's a huge team, but I like what they're doing.

37:09

You know, there's some interesting tools

37:12

they're trying to build. They've got several different

37:14

wrappers. There's a snow program that sits on

37:16

top. They've got some tooling to make flakes

37:18

easier to work with. They're also part of

37:20

this, and I don't quite understand the

37:22

Snowfall organization over at

37:24

snowfall.org, which seems to be

37:27

trying to come up with a unified set

37:29

of configuration and ideas and packages and flakes

37:31

and command line tools that just kind of

37:33

can be common across all different Nixes. Yeah,

37:36

some of that I saw was sort of

37:38

like programmable hooks into the Nix configuration. So

37:40

like in the software center, one

37:43

option is to install into your Nix profile as a

37:45

user. But if you want to install for the system,

37:47

so everyone has access to it, that's

37:49

going to have to update

37:51

your configuration.nix. And they've got hooks under

37:54

in the system, you know, in some Rust libraries

37:56

and tools that have sort of built

37:58

abstractions on top of that so it can programmatically.

38:00

modify your configuration for you. They

38:02

also ship a graphical configuration editor. Did

38:04

you try that? Oh no, I

38:06

did not get to try that. That was on my list of

38:09

things to try, but I did not end up... I could not

38:11

get mine to install and it was

38:13

because of the virtual environment I was using, which

38:16

I'm embarrassed about. Yeah, that was

38:18

neat. I mean it's a, you know, a GTK

38:21

sort of app to edit your configuration.mix.

38:23

I did want to try that. It's

38:25

not in the... I don't think it's in live session. That

38:28

makes sense, I suppose. It

38:30

did work. I mostly was using it as a

38:32

viewer. I tried to edit one thing. I was trying

38:34

to... I was doing it in a VM as well in

38:36

QEMU and I had a spice session going.

38:38

Yeah. So I was trying to enable the

38:40

spice agent. Sure. It enables like better acceleration

38:42

and flexible window size. Which is much nicer

38:45

when you're using them. Yeah.

38:47

Yeah, that's for sure. So I

38:49

wanted to enable that and what was nice about it

38:51

is it was sort of a fast index to all

38:54

the options that exist in the configuration, right? Like you

38:56

can go look at that in the next search online.

38:58

Like a reference manual. Right? I could just see. So

39:00

it told me... I was like, how do you use

39:02

it? Spice dash button, you know, what's the exact name

39:04

of it? And that was right there. That's sweet. It

39:07

almost let me flip it to true.

39:09

It'd be like dot enabled equals true.

39:12

That didn't work. I was like writing it back out and

39:14

I got some sort of invalid thing. I went

39:16

and went, now knowing exactly what to type

39:18

in. Updated the file

39:20

myself. Updated the system.

39:23

Totally worked. And then I did could

39:25

then see that change in the app.

39:27

So I don't know. So, this is

39:29

all definitely in the Alsos stage, but

39:31

I like where this is going. It

39:33

really could be the noobs

39:36

introduction in XOS to make it approachable to

39:38

a whole new set of people where they

39:40

can benefit from the immutable rollbacks,

39:42

the software selection, the stability, the

39:45

options in the different kernels there.

39:47

And they don't have to necessarily

39:49

immediately learn an entire new way

39:51

to like write a

39:53

syntax config for a Linux system. You

39:55

know, I have a pet peeve for you guys that I

39:57

ran into. That Turned out to

39:59

be... The a success story I think.

40:01

Oh. Ah if you go to

40:04

the Snowflake O S website which is actually

40:06

really nice looking and nice and simple and

40:08

easy to find which need basically the Jain

40:10

download button and leads you to source for

40:12

it's to download the Iso and yes that's

40:15

where my pet peeve comes in or not

40:17

a huge fan of that mostly because I've

40:19

run into just. Really slow download

40:21

speeds and not to blame my space internet

40:24

or anything. Yeah, you're right now. You're right,

40:26

I'm I'm not getting great speeds either at

40:28

the moment. So. I kicked off the

40:30

download and realized it was, well, it was

40:32

reporting back. That was gonna take three, three

40:34

to four hours for me, which I don't.

40:37

Can't explain. Why that

40:39

was but I decided to said it

40:41

was easier to just build the snowflakes

40:43

o s I saw myself using a

40:45

nickel cash and from the repository for

40:47

the snow flake. Last ice of is

40:50

super easy. It's like one command if

40:52

you've got next installed already. So I

40:54

went that route and and that's downloaded

40:56

and tilts way faster than it did

40:58

to download from their swords. That would

41:00

be a little tip this that you're

41:03

thinking of trying this out and new

41:05

A growing impatient like I did I

41:07

would invite folks. To boost in would let

41:09

us know would you are you interested in

41:11

an and taken a roast like solution for

41:13

next o s that makes it more approachable

41:15

to try out. I think I

41:17

take away his. I'd use it sometimes. Yeah.

41:20

I'm here so I could see maybe like from

41:22

for act upon I'm I'm my folks as seen

41:24

in all honesty. I could set one of those

41:26

up myself, witness and and have a fair somewhere.

41:28

But ah deal. He only have so much Sir

41:30

Edmund time with them as the scenes. and if

41:32

you just eat out of. Here's the thing though.

41:34

so bikes a good base. I can make couple

41:37

of weeks problematically on top. I could be this.

41:39

I don't know. it's not quite ready there. Yeah, I think

41:41

it's still. It's still quite new, but. I'm to.

41:43

Get their pretty quick. The non

41:46

quite tempted. To. Keep using this.

41:48

I didn't run into any like

41:50

game changer, alpha breaking, new changes.

41:52

I I don't think either of

41:54

you did either. Ah, But.

41:56

Man, this solves the problem that I've

41:58

been looking for ever since. We started

42:00

discovering next O S. the kind of just

42:02

set it up and it's good to go

42:04

and you can use your old paradigm since

42:07

all software be a gui if you want.

42:10

And then learn it as you go. That's

42:12

really approachable and like I said, A

42:15

Next O s that's nice and easy

42:17

for my folks are furlough appliance machines

42:19

here and there. Ah, tempting. So yeah,

42:21

I think. I might keep

42:23

this in my backpack. I'm

42:26

going to go to Recommend. I like the a static of

42:28

the projects. As well I think they've

42:31

got a good look going and I i

42:33

I'm encouraged by what feels like a bit

42:35

of a. And. I like

42:37

a Knicks ecosystem. Between. The two lane.

42:39

Fees. Rust apps that were mentioned and others

42:42

that are can all come together to

42:44

form like out like a knicks union.

42:46

What I'm thinking about to his I

42:48

feel like this might be a project

42:50

to look at as some best practices

42:52

as well. I don't know if anyone

42:54

has any opinions on how they're implementing

42:56

some of these features and I'm interested

42:58

to hear what the community thinks that

43:00

that. Learning so s the

43:02

seven. A peek under the sheets, hear what's

43:04

going on is. I. Think may

43:07

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43:09

to learn this as well. So I was

43:11

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47:26

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47:29

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it. And months without downloading are installing.

47:33

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from wires and the drivers. You know

47:38

any blobs. everything comes from source. Set

47:40

up your own server to compile Euro

47:42

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47:44

on your own computer. O

47:46

S. Isis can only be used to bootstrap. We

47:49

finally do intend to. That is it with the

47:51

since I'm twenty six of the mechanisms that has

47:53

a little bet you could really do this with

47:55

almost any destroy all the gentoo and next are

47:57

kind of you could do it by deal. The

48:00

the have to make it easier probably. Yeah

48:02

I mean we could do one builds. Okay

48:04

I'm wondering could we do one build server

48:06

like on going out. Oh. I. See

48:08

her so like if I build a package services

48:10

are synonyms, motivated to hit with them and said

48:13

you pull their my by now and should we

48:15

do linux from scratch. Off. Got whereas

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assess assess the where none of your

48:19

the two or five million sad buena

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48:30

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48:32

I'd love know the audiences ideas if you wanna jump

48:34

in on this idea how we could make the sun.

48:37

Binary. Free months. I.

48:39

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48:42

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48:44

pay the Pier cast yeah. Wow.

48:46

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ascendant versus a have a great show

48:51

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48:53

lot less libel to that. Oh wow. Really? A has. Deleted.

48:56

That's also. On us to

48:58

So great Thanks! you've got some and in

49:00

just under the wire up. And here's what

49:02

we would gain from this challenge because I

49:04

know thirty two bit challenge. We had some

49:06

ideas about what we've learned which is you

49:08

know is it still viable, etc. but. What?

49:11

Is it about this that we would? you know

49:13

what are the take a ways we would try

49:15

to reach for here and it One thing you'd

49:17

probably immediately start to appreciate is. How

49:20

much build time these things take and how much

49:22

work is? how much of a lift the packers

49:24

maintenance doing? But I wonder. I.

49:26

Feel like if I were building these

49:28

wouldn't. Not you know, How.

49:31

To optimize for the best build possible Re

49:33

like if you're gonna spend the time to

49:35

compile your thoughts lack of for for throw

49:38

some flags in the idea of okay flag

49:40

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49:42

Flag in there was a big deal. I'm a

49:44

believer this ancient architect so I got this fancy

49:46

cp you so there's something to that. I.

49:49

Can be the other challenge. The other area that

49:51

I think I'd be really interesting. Is

49:53

may be on my arm. Sixty Four install

49:56

on they are among men. Ah, I could

49:58

be an interesting angle. Yeah, that's a whole

50:00

A Very. We really need a lot more.

50:03

And. Know maybe to be okay, Maybe one be so bad? Will.

50:06

Get vulgar where the wheels already turning deleted. Thank

50:08

you very much for that generous boost. Really

50:10

appreciate that and. I'm. Thinking

50:13

about. Indeed, Wasn't.

50:16

A Jeff Com then with one hundred and thirty

50:18

three. Thousand Four Hundred and Fifty Six

50:20

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50:29

Thank you Jeff! Thank you. For. The podcast

50:31

index is yeah with I one two three

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four five six cents in the first one.

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Finally got some sas and they'll be with

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the scale and that's just so sweet Much

50:41

right on. And. I jeffries him join us.

50:43

A scale range going to be there. In.

50:46

A Major. That's the plan. Yeah, Oh

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look at you I buzzed into with another ten

50:50

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buzzer as nice as the doubled

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51:01

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51:20

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51:27

says the sorta halfway between often

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in Houston except than also north

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of your taxes Big yeah. Yeah.

51:34

So Vs gives you a vague idea, but

51:36

still. says. A lot. there's a lot of be

51:39

five hours probably between. Know.

51:41

Jos Nice to hear from you thank

51:43

you very much Pierce know to think

51:45

about Podres. Eric. D comes

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51:50

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51:52

My goal for Twenty Twenty Four

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is the booze. This show at

51:56

least once a month. A

51:58

kind of value for. The you membership

52:01

of right? Yeah, thanks. Where.

52:04

Because I didn't participate in the thirty two

52:06

bit challenge, however, I did work

52:08

on a linux project of my own. I.

52:10

Have a twenty nineteen air fifteen inch

52:12

Macbook Pro. It's mild work

52:15

laptop but it's still a pretty

52:17

good laptop by today's standards. I

52:19

wondered if I can install something

52:21

from linux on it. After some

52:23

research I found T to Linux

52:25

at T to linux.org They have

52:27

built pre i ourselves for various

52:29

distrust of have the T to

52:31

Mack drivers built in. Oh.

52:34

Wow. Eric. That's huge. He goes

52:36

on to say I've tried their knicks have

52:38

as I say this but I wouldn't boot

52:40

that out will get dragged address. But the

52:43

a Boon to Twenty Three Ten. I so

52:45

did to nominate a Boon to Twenty Three

52:47

Ten on a Macbook pro and even the

52:49

touch bar works. The only issue is a

52:51

suspend doesn't work. But. I'm okay with that. Tix.

52:54

Wow! that is a wonderful success story that's

52:56

a great boots on the ground. Report to

52:58

Eric that's a valuable boost and a valuable

53:00

bit of insight and we will try to

53:02

put a link to T to that's the

53:04

number Tude Linux. Dot. Org in

53:06

the show Notes: Hybrid.

53:09

Sarcasm Busan with forty two

53:11

thousand that the on the

53:13

ultimate. Question.

53:16

Why? Didn't the skeleton cross the road?

53:21

Because. He was

53:23

planning on our he didn't have

53:25

the guts. Ah, Sarcasm.

53:29

Goodwin. Thank you very much for the boost.

53:31

Prissy It you. Maclean. Came in

53:33

with thirty two thousand, seven hundred and

53:35

Sixty Eight said oh, sees. It

53:39

was great to hear you talking with Can

53:41

Overstreet in episode Five For Five. I can't

53:44

wait to start using be cache of S

53:46

when it lands on my system and to

53:48

check how using it compares to set of

53:50

us. By the way, what a coincidence that

53:52

a letter from Hans Reiser got published says

53:55

the other week have you checked it out.

53:57

It's. A good read, I think we talked about a little

53:59

bit. Members feed today are We kind of

54:01

went through some of the points it was. It

54:05

was a very fast and read. I think we should try to put

54:07

a link in the. In. The actual publish

54:09

over again Manteca. Mcclain. Continues, as

54:11

for your question about txt for extended

54:13

for I think there are better options

54:16

available in almost every case. I use

54:18

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54:32

exactly how you like it as to

54:34

why. Why? Why? Why anything less? Would.

54:38

You want anything less? We're friends and family.

54:40

Max Power comes in with thirty thousand. Three

54:42

hundred and forty five. Sad Seizing Fountain. Hey

54:44

guys, I love the show! I've been

54:46

listening to Jb for almost ten years. Wow,

54:49

Wow! Last. Week I heard a

54:51

zip code boost from my state and I figured

54:53

I should do the same for my boobs. Set

54:55

the first two numbers. Or. Letters

54:57

and the last three numbers are

54:59

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the shenanigans in just use the

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five numbers in my zip code.

55:07

A hotel has had Everly. They

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were really assess. Okay, so three,

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zero, Three Four five. that's a

55:14

postal code in this house county.

55:16

Georgia, Oh Georgia. with cities like

55:19

assembly in Tucker. Ah,

55:21

sounds nice. Sounds. Nice

55:23

down there as assistant since I snagged

55:25

barracks. Thank you for listening for so

55:27

long as that's amazing. It's. Very.

55:30

End of ten years. When people

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row of make ducks. Twenty two thousand, two

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55:43

or next time North America coverage. Cheers and

55:45

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55:48

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55:50

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55:52

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55:54

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56:04

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from Northern be a cent in

56:26

a row sticks one. Eleven

56:29

Thousand One Hundred And Eleven

56:31

said oh, sees. Anyone.

56:33

Else cringe every time they hear

56:35

the name be Cash isas mean

56:37

collides with Bitcoin Cash A gay

56:39

Be Cash which is an alt coin

56:42

that forth from Bitcoin during the

56:44

block size wars and around Twenty

56:46

seventeen. Unsurprisingly, Because

56:48

doesn't have the highest reputation within

56:50

the bitcoin community. Why I like

56:52

that opposes in gross. Ah,

56:55

And out of that know because I think

56:57

you know a Be Cas and all that

56:59

It's Spiteri, all that, such a establish file

57:01

system lingo that I haven't really made that

57:04

connection. With. Mommy Back And This

57:06

is Not A. Not

57:08

an omega. Well, as a good point. Where.

57:11

We have out what if we called it. The.

57:14

To another name for be castle using the way

57:16

pronounce because like. Be. A pleasure. Because.

57:19

It because you're you. Can

57:22

we need you to come up with what area really

57:25

isn't see if I was gonna look at the first

57:27

time. I'd say observe the keys ss pretty safe as

57:29

a no no to the see if I could. Be.

57:32

Catchy. Pikachu. Yeah, fast

57:34

as the thirtieth as one of those

57:36

will stick. Gene. Being comes in

57:38

with our whole floor. the ducks. A writer

57:40

wanted to do thirty two bit sounds but

57:43

need to replace a drive in a little

57:45

network that I had. Here's. Hoping

57:47

the plan isn't lost to procrastination, we know how

57:49

that goes, he didn't or the file system stuff he

57:51

says. I'm looking forward to in your decide it's

57:53

time to migrate from See has to be guess it

57:55

made me do it. Yeah we're probably going and

57:57

will probably do a way too early to and. Yeah,

58:00

oh Jimmy says ya With the only

58:02

a dog linux users I have a

58:04

little bitty. I booked G three and.

58:07

He. Loved putting linux on their Mack on

58:09

Linux.that they still have the best logo

58:11

ever! Met. Okay,

58:14

other delegates pretty great All it's like a

58:16

little. It's like a little penguin are consumed.

58:18

Stream: It's a little penguin this hugging an

58:20

apple. Is. Pretty adorable. As pretty dodgy

58:22

as pretty are We said extended for Just

58:24

Works is rock solid. That said, so long

58:26

as there is something doesn't require a science

58:28

degree to administer. So. He my be

58:30

down for it He says I absolutely think it's

58:32

time to get a replacement. As

58:35

very reasonable I'm I'm I think I

58:37

came across as like. Ah,

58:39

rip it out. Yeah, it's not so much

58:41

that I just I would like a consensus

58:43

that we're going to move into a direction.

58:46

And. Business A reality though the takes time it'll

58:48

take even more time to get him trusted

58:50

and into production and many places and his

58:52

bow yellow They'll start the journey thought. Former.

58:55

Jin to Earth comes in with five thousand,

58:57

four hundred and thirty two sets of I

59:00

have found Him. About extended

59:02

for back in two Thousand Six,

59:04

I heard claims by people I

59:06

respected that excess was indestructible by

59:08

power outages or by bad us

59:10

beating. L A switch

59:13

to X of aspects and never looked

59:15

back. using. The F T

59:17

for nowadays feels super old and I am

59:19

quote unquote taking a risk with Butter of

59:21

S or my silver blue. Daily

59:23

Driver. I'm. Still sufficiently comfortable

59:26

with X of S en el the

59:28

M and M D raid raid ten

59:30

if needed, but I'm dying to trade

59:32

this triad for be guess if s.

59:35

M Great does have a Smart Raid ten with odd

59:37

number drives. Topeka Sfs we'll

59:39

see each year from region to her.

59:41

I I agree with you on that.

59:44

X F S en El Vm stack

59:46

been pretty solid. That's what I'm using

59:48

on my old were stationed from stairs.

59:50

Also About a twenty seventeen Arab build

59:53

and I've got. I. Want to

59:55

say for this and what I call

59:57

my scary raid. using.

1:00:00

L. B M. And. X F S.

1:00:02

Just. A stripe them altogether so I can

1:00:05

have as fast as possible on spending large

1:00:07

spending rest and it feels like that would

1:00:09

be a perfect swap over to be cast

1:00:11

a fast one day but in the meantime.

1:00:14

As much as we talk about butter fasten,

1:00:16

Cfs. Avenues. Next to pass on

1:00:18

that. a raise for ever and it has been

1:00:20

absolutely solid and I have moved to. the other

1:00:22

nice thing about access. I

1:00:25

mean, at least at least a

1:00:27

dozen different installs. Probably a lot

1:00:29

more. I. Have moved. That.

1:00:31

And I've moved on that machine in that and

1:00:33

that a raid arrays always with Lv am an

1:00:35

ex of as every time as reconnected perfectly. You

1:00:38

know for a second that homeless and like you

1:00:40

and screaming Stratus. Smoke

1:00:43

years from region to earth. Your.

1:00:45

Former to into urban. Which. Destroy

1:00:47

Yunnan. Lesnar. Pardon.

1:00:50

Came in with five thousand said oh

1:00:52

she's on some. Honestly,

1:00:54

I can understand the confusion with companies

1:00:56

offering for and g like Fi routers

1:00:58

and I know several people that run

1:01:00

everything off their hot spots Felix A

1:01:03

line between mobile data and why Fi

1:01:05

has been blurred. Yeah.

1:01:09

I definitely feel that a T

1:01:11

Mobile came rolling through the neighborhood.

1:01:13

That a year ago. And.

1:01:15

Moved several our neighbors off of

1:01:17

their cable connection to their Five

1:01:20

G Home Service. And. As

1:01:22

good. Image: you noticed how it

1:01:24

goes away Connection but I'm. Sorry.

1:01:26

Bucks less a month. while even of I

1:01:29

think they just raised the rates and it

1:01:31

in. they have no idea none of these

1:01:33

users have any idea they just me what

1:01:35

they've switzer. Yeah yeah they just move from

1:01:37

a copper line to a cellular connection. but

1:01:39

for them it works. and I think T

1:01:41

Mobile does optimisations on the network that. I.

1:01:44

Would prefer they don't do them, but I think they

1:01:46

generally do work for most users. I mean her. yeah,

1:01:48

cases where I load up. The. Streaming

1:01:50

service does it work? or my other neighbor like they

1:01:52

just want zoomed work. That's what they use enough for

1:01:55

and that and like Susan okay these been fine as

1:01:57

well as simpler from of admin standpoint to write life

1:01:59

with. The work you just get like a new

1:02:01

router. Lt box and there's no wires

1:02:03

that checker mess with it there's we've got

1:02:05

one court right? Get the power cord and

1:02:07

it of the why find the Lt from

1:02:10

one little syndrome sin cylinder thing or n

1:02:12

n one neighbor that's on the Kilmer on

1:02:14

the other end of the block. Is

1:02:16

working from home now and he's working

1:02:18

from home all day long offseason sites.

1:02:21

You're. Right. Man it it it is definitely getting where.

1:02:23

I don't think they have any concept that of history

1:02:25

wife I am. And. Lt Pop and

1:02:27

thank you for the boost. Care. About

1:02:29

comes in with one two, three, four

1:02:31

five cents. Yes,

1:02:34

it's amazing. I got the St. Dominic's you know my.

1:02:37

Message, but we still appreciate the

1:02:39

support. Eponymous move comes in with

1:02:42

eleven thousand nine hundred certs. Biopolymers.

1:02:46

First. Moved here, I usually

1:02:48

stress I was amazed his

1:02:50

Canada, but wanted to share

1:02:52

some own hardware glory, arrived

1:02:54

first one is install. Or

1:02:57

Eight nine. Just before Fedora

1:02:59

Core one Am members, I

1:03:01

over wrote entire Windows install

1:03:03

or Cdr to backup files.

1:03:06

Still, Surprised when sound works in a

1:03:08

fresh install. That was

1:03:10

too easy. So twisted, genteel, Only

1:03:13

had the one computer though of course so

1:03:15

I printed the install, died and used from

1:03:17

sexually active to. He. And his command

1:03:19

line browser Get. A few years

1:03:22

later, in grad school I bought my tend to

1:03:24

install hard enough to meet a full retail answers,

1:03:26

but the Cd rom drive in my office computer

1:03:28

was broken the whole i tried to find a

1:03:30

disco. they could say it on a three and

1:03:32

a half inch floppy. I think they existed, but

1:03:35

no luck. So I swapped the drive with another

1:03:37

in the office. Answer. Love self

1:03:39

hosted and they can a few less crazy

1:03:41

to care about privacy ssssss You bet most

1:03:43

you know I have that we met a

1:03:45

situation where the Cd rom drive. Ah

1:03:48

was generally what I would do right is

1:03:50

I would end up disconnected the Cd rom

1:03:52

drive to add one or another desk and

1:03:54

negatively ah and then I would sometime need

1:03:56

to Cdroms. I always try to concoct some

1:03:58

sort of like network. Cd rom solution

1:04:01

who has never really worked very

1:04:03

well but I yeah it's definitely

1:04:05

think thank you everybody who boosted

1:04:07

in that so was I was

1:04:09

a great bats. And.

1:04:11

We have a few the were under the yeah two

1:04:13

thousand sex and off but we still read all of

1:04:16

them. Put them in our show notes was eighteen Booze

1:04:18

total. And. Brace yourselves because we've

1:04:20

had another banger. You all. Are

1:04:23

we need? We need like a whole new set of sound

1:04:25

effects here, but we have. Once. Again,

1:04:27

Made. Incredible progress towards our.

1:04:30

Goal. To get the scale we raised across

1:04:33

a team. Boosie! One. Million

1:04:35

Four Hundred and Fifty Six Thousand

1:04:37

Three Hundred and Sixty Seven. Sas.

1:04:41

Really with some mama's as.

1:04:44

From eighteen boosters across twenty four Boost?

1:04:47

Yeah, that's really incredible. And.

1:04:49

So let's let's run the totals on apps are trying

1:04:51

to run eight million out were taken the Sats or

1:04:53

Putnam right towards our goal to go to Scale. Which.

1:04:56

Is a little scary, but this that's what

1:04:58

we're committed to. Were doing it and day

1:05:00

seem ridiculous when we started, but I feel

1:05:02

like we're getting real close west of you'd

1:05:04

tabulated. The. Yes, well, I'm

1:05:07

the total raised so far.

1:05:09

Is. A hundred and ten percent

1:05:12

may. Eight

1:05:17

million, Seven Hundred and Eighty

1:05:19

thousand Nine Hundred. And the

1:05:21

teams Alsace. Oh wow. Thank.

1:05:23

You everyone and I've already

1:05:25

booked the Air Bnb. Actually

1:05:28

books a couple of them. we both dumb and Air

1:05:30

Bnb while we're in Pasadena, and we bucks an Air B

1:05:32

N B on the way down and one on the

1:05:34

way back up. And. Out. That was

1:05:36

really nice because we needed the lock that in

1:05:39

kind of. Sooner. Than later

1:05:41

because. I guess like flights and

1:05:43

maybe hotels the closer you get the air Bnb

1:05:45

prices go up because they were hired them when

1:05:47

we looked the first time. And.

1:05:49

So what we had budgeted for wasn't quite

1:05:51

enough. and so the fact that we went

1:05:53

over a little bit kind of makes up

1:05:55

for the fact that the Air Bnb expenses

1:05:57

turned out to be just a bit more.

1:06:00

When. We were planning for but it's it's

1:06:02

all kind of working out of extremely

1:06:05

extremely grateful everybody and it's it's all

1:06:07

going to scale. We was so absolutely

1:06:09

take those as help us get there

1:06:11

because the cost to come up surprisingly

1:06:13

and also. And we can put

1:06:15

some of that towards actual production of the shown actually

1:06:17

been really focused on scale and ah, this is all.

1:06:20

Set. I have this. You know I put this already

1:06:22

aside. In. A wallet and our using

1:06:24

that to way to book those things were going have

1:06:26

it on a trip down there will be loaded up

1:06:28

or a to go and really. Kind of

1:06:30

amazing. Think. Everybody also stream Sats doubtless

1:06:32

get to the school. We. Really appreciate

1:06:34

that as well. We see you out there and it's

1:06:36

It's a neat from us it's need for us. Senate.

1:06:40

Like a user experience standpoint because we had to

1:06:42

pull these up in real time and see them

1:06:44

coming in, yell at their forward humorous out there

1:06:46

stream. and just earlier today at a buddy the

1:06:48

Henry Ford humor. Thanks for three minutes. Per.

1:06:50

Se you think everybody who boasted in a

1:06:52

thank you everybody help contribute to our goal

1:06:54

to get to scale and next con North

1:06:56

America. We can't wait to bring you that

1:06:58

coverage! And

1:07:01

as a thank you we have two

1:07:03

great pics this week because they're both

1:07:05

of us seem and I'm going to

1:07:07

encourage you to tune in next week's

1:07:09

episode because we're to talk about an

1:07:11

application you can deploy on your linux

1:07:13

system that his allies teens. or this

1:07:15

week we're focusing on the music. Would.

1:07:18

You like to listen to your spot, a Pfizer,

1:07:20

your Apple music, but you don't want to use

1:07:22

a crappy Electron app other damn web service? Wait,

1:07:24

that's even possible. Get his with that. I.

1:07:27

Guess Spot food sparks more do.

1:07:29

But though Tube which is an

1:07:31

open source client that doesn't require

1:07:33

premium on Spotify, doesn't use Electron

1:07:35

as available both on the desktop

1:07:37

and on Android S P O

1:07:39

T U P E or have

1:07:41

a link to that in the

1:07:43

show. Notes: And on the

1:07:45

apple music side cider see I D

1:07:47

E r the survey of also the

1:07:49

flat pack. And. I'm I

1:07:51

think me period. When. But.

1:07:54

Damn again. This. Is

1:07:56

a cross platform Apple Music spurred. This

1:07:58

one is electron. But

1:08:00

it's I've never really noticed. Actually,

1:08:02

not noticed. Claims to have been

1:08:04

written from scratch with performance in

1:08:06

mind. Everly. I. Mean, Metallic

1:08:08

things like it performs better than the

1:08:10

native apple music purchase. A funny thing

1:08:12

like that at that as right. So.

1:08:15

This. Is nice if you like. For me I

1:08:17

have the Apple one subscription for the family that

1:08:20

still on I phones. So. Apple Music's

1:08:22

is bundled in without. I don't want to

1:08:24

pay for spotted by an Apple Music, but

1:08:26

the Apple Music experience sucks and the next.

1:08:28

Until. Cited him around and now you can have

1:08:30

a better spot if I experience to he still

1:08:33

do that so. We'll. Have links to

1:08:35

that and Sonos was a to grapevine. To.

1:08:37

I do remember we want your booze. We'd

1:08:39

still wanna raise funds for the show production.

1:08:42

It is sort of a lean and mean

1:08:44

and winter right now and your support is

1:08:46

more critical than ever. If you'd like to

1:08:48

send in a birthday boost for no specific

1:08:50

reason, forty two thousand Sat could be. You

1:08:52

know, the perfect amount for a birthday boost

1:08:54

said on a why forty two but. There.

1:08:57

It is I and I will read those

1:08:59

on the air next week. And.

1:09:02

And I'm doing fine as he likes. The mother

1:09:04

is always great. Talk. Of

1:09:06

a low key. plugs here to for that number of. They've

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always been hanging out with us. Is. Great!

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the So oversee get like the you know

1:09:30

take one ancestors is that would never a

1:09:32

half of what are you to hockey about?

1:09:35

I can never. Links. To what

1:09:37

we talked about today that's on our

1:09:39

website at Dublin Exam plug.com/five Four Six

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1:09:44

will be live. Potentially maybe at a

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different time. Know. Next.

1:09:48

Week nestle to be up in the air. So.

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Keep an eye on the counter to but of broadcasting

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Arkansas counter or have you. Subscribed. To

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updated their as well say it next

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that maybe. I mean it

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always comes on your since we didn't have

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the same station so that's true. Yeah what

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we call in Rss feed and if you're

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on that feed the lifetime is really matter

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off so he does not really worth mentioning

1:10:13

just probably stop talking about or I know

1:10:15

are also no no I think I'm and

1:10:17

stuff from this moment forward right now not

1:10:19

talking about the livestream anymore have a job

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he lived at Tv which will probably not

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