0:00

What activity or thing are you guys doing when

0:02

you listen to an audiobook? Well,

0:04

driving for one, but I don't know, maybe

0:06

walking the dog. Mm. Okay,

0:09

I pictured you like a cooking guy, listening

0:11

to an audiobook while cooking. That's a good one, too.

0:13

Yeah? That's what the wife does. Brian, what about

0:16

you? What are you doing when you listen to an audiobook? Yeah,

0:18

I mean, I've done a lot of plain sitting,

0:20

which is a very

0:23

useful audiobook. Although the problem is I have

0:25

fallen asleep and then forgotten where I

0:27

was, and I, you know, rewinding

0:29

is not that convenient when you're asleep.

0:32

Oh, I definitely know that one. That's my

0:34

primary... Oh, God, I'm such an old man.

0:37

Oh, it's my primary

0:39

use cases. Go into bed. Hello,

0:53

friends, and welcome back to your weekly

0:55

Linux touch-up. My name is Chris. My

0:57

name is Wes. And my name is

0:59

Brent. Well, hello, gentlemen. Coming

1:02

up on the show today, have you ever wanted to host

1:04

your own audiobook library? Actually,

1:07

why? All right, it wasn't obvious to me at first,

1:09

but now, now I'm all in. We

1:12

spent some time with Audiobookshelf. We'll give you our

1:14

thoughts, how we get those audiobooks, and our review

1:16

on using it. They'll

1:18

round it out with some great boosts and picks and a

1:20

lot more. It is just us this

1:22

week. No mumble room, no livestream, we're recording

1:24

a little early. Because Brent's going to

1:26

win it big in Vegas. We wanted to

1:29

get this out of the way before he goes and

1:31

becomes a big millionaire from his winnings. If I don't

1:33

come back, you'll know what happened. Yeah. Well, either

1:35

way. I'm going to assume you got kidnapped by a

1:37

hooker, but I mean, I don't really know. Well,

1:39

isn't that what happens? It would say

1:41

it's in Vegas, right? That's what all the YouTube clips

1:43

I've been watching suggest. Are

1:45

you preparing for the trip? You got to prepare. You

1:48

know, I have never been, so putting

1:50

that out there. I also, you guys

1:53

might imagine, don't lean on the

1:56

crazy party side most days. That's

1:58

what he says. But now, like,

2:00

I'm hearing out of the woodwork, like, all these

2:02

people are like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I

2:05

was in Vegas when I was younger. You should go

2:07

here, here, and here. Like, I never took you as

2:09

a Vegas person. Like, Chris, you,

2:11

for instance, you've been several times, you

2:14

said. Yeah, I've been

2:16

many. I've been many times, actually. That's what

2:18

I'm saying. But mostly, I mean,

2:20

I'd say most of the visits were actually for tech events. Some

2:23

of them were for pleasure. But you, you've been

2:25

with? I have not. No. I would

2:27

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3:24

would somebody even want an audio book server? I

3:27

don't know if it's I mean, to some people, it's obvious. I

3:29

don't know if it was necessarily obvious to me, though, because

3:32

I've been an audible customer since

3:35

audible first existed. And

3:37

they've just always had my library, that's

3:39

predominantly where I've always gotten my audio

3:42

books from. I have an active audible

3:44

subscription and I

3:46

may have like 400 books on there, something like that. So it's

3:48

a pretty good amount. But

3:51

over time, I've I've

3:54

looked back at my audible back catalog and

3:57

some of them are kind of spicy books now that

3:59

are a little. controversial that weren't at the

4:01

time. They were just about a political

4:03

event or a historical event but now they're very

4:05

controversial. I thought, you know,

4:07

it could be a time where these books are not even

4:09

available anymore. And I would kind of miss out on that

4:11

because they capture a moment in history in a period of

4:14

time. And I've also

4:16

had this overall sort of overriding function

4:18

to just self-host as much, have

4:21

my own sovereign control over my data as

4:23

much as possible, and also have as much

4:25

of the quote-unquote Internet work as I can offline

4:27

in my RV so that way I can go

4:30

somewhere like in the woods or wherever that doesn't

4:32

have internet and still

4:34

enjoy things like streaming media. And

4:36

every night that we go to bed, we

4:39

listen to an audiobook. Right, and you really don't want to

4:41

have to fuss with something to try to troubleshoot it when

4:43

you're like just trying to get into bed and go to

4:45

sleep? I want it offline. Now

4:47

have you ever considered hosting your own audiobook server with? I

4:50

know it's like a bit much for some reason for

4:52

some people. Yeah, no, not really. I mean, I'll admit

4:54

I kind of go back and forth on if I'm

4:56

like doing audiobooks or just listening to podcasts. But

4:59

no, I haven't actually thought to host my

5:01

own. But if it's easy, I mean, you

5:03

know, I'm doing it for other types of

5:06

media. Why not? What about you, Brentley? Well,

5:08

like years and years and years ago, I

5:10

was doing the whole Project Gutenberg thing. If

5:12

you've ever tried that. So going to Project Gutenberg's

5:15

website and digging through the giant

5:17

massive lists of, yeah,

5:20

all the audiobooks that they have available. And

5:22

I had never considered self-hosting

5:24

it because that just wasn't

5:26

really a trend back then. And

5:29

I got quite tired of

5:31

that and tried Audible for like a

5:33

couple months, but just didn't feel right about,

5:35

I don't know, any of it, to

5:37

be honest, knowing that there were

5:39

stories out there even back then of books vanishing

5:41

on people. And so I just kind of gave

5:44

up on audiobooks, which

5:46

actually brought me, since

5:48

we've been exploring audiobooks again this week, just

5:51

actually a lot of sadness. Like I missed out

5:53

on years of just really

5:55

great experiences. Yeah, I

5:57

think if you like podcasts, you'll enjoy audiobooks.

6:00

I think it's not much of a leap there. There's just

6:02

a few things you should consider. First

6:04

of all, these are way smaller than

6:06

video files. So if you're doing your own

6:08

Jellyfin or Plex media collection, whatever it might

6:10

be, this

6:13

is small potatoes compared to any kind of

6:15

media collection like that. But you do want

6:17

to organize. You want to have a directory

6:19

structure. They have great documentation on this. I

6:21

just do everything in a flat directory, but you could

6:24

do subdirectories and whatnot. And then there's also

6:26

the how the hell are you going to get these audio books?

6:29

How the hell do you get these audio books, guys? Because

6:31

it's not as easy as it is for some of these

6:33

other services. Honestly, that's been one of my detracting

6:36

things for, whether I'm

6:38

listening to audio books or podcasts. It's

6:41

so easy. There's so many ones out there. They're basically all

6:43

free. And there's no walls

6:46

up to go just hit play on them. I

6:49

think value for value audio books are coming. And

6:51

I think it's going to be a firestorm like it has

6:53

been with me. What a great idea. Yeah, that's going to

6:55

happen. And they're going to be in your podcast player. They're

6:58

going to be on RSS feeds. It's going to happen. But

7:01

until then, I think something like

7:03

audio bookshelf is the way to go.

7:05

And if you combine it with things

7:07

like, well, there's libation and

7:10

open Audible, which will

7:12

essentially help you manage your Audible

7:15

library collection, download them,

7:17

remove the DRM, pull down the accompanying

7:19

PDFs, add all of the metadata information

7:21

to them, and put them in a

7:23

DRM free format for you. And

7:26

so I use these tools myself to

7:28

just back up my Audible subscription from

7:30

time to time. I maintain an active

7:32

Audible subscription. And I continually buy things

7:34

with my Audible credits. But then I

7:37

back them up to my own home server. And

7:39

I actually listen to them through audio bookshelf. So

7:41

that's, in my opinion, and

7:43

we'll put some other resources in there, including a

7:46

Reddit thread that goes through some different resources. There's

7:48

also the falls off the back of the truck

7:50

method with something called readR, R-E-A-D-A-R-R, which

7:55

is an automatic book manager which will scan your collection and

7:57

then fill in the gaps. But I'm out of

7:59

time. of area and how you actually accomplish that.

8:02

But we'll put resources and links to how you

8:04

actually get these audiobooks in the

8:06

show notes and then I'd like you to boost in

8:08

if you're listening with how you get your audiobooks because

8:10

I know I'm just scratching the surface. And I'm curious,

8:12

Chris, you mentioned like offline was important for you, but

8:15

doesn't Audible have some of those features?

8:17

And so what is it about

8:20

doing this that you can't do in Audible, for instance?

8:23

I wanted to have them, you know, like a

8:25

book library that's on the

8:28

shelves in your home where you have those books

8:30

because as I as

8:32

years go by and I look back on my

8:35

collection, they represent my state

8:37

of mind, they represent history, and

8:40

I want them always to be available.

8:42

And I no longer trust any of

8:44

these services to keep any licensed content

8:46

available indefinitely. And so

8:48

I just trust myself to manage that better. And

8:51

I also am a data nerd

8:54

for this kind of stuff. And I want to collect

8:56

the analytics of like how many books I'm listening to,

8:58

how many books in a year did I listen to,

9:00

how many minutes per night, etc, etc. And

9:03

audiobookshelf will collect those metrics for me.

9:06

Audible will as well. But if I switch phones,

9:08

if I don't use Audible, like I want it

9:10

all in one spot. So I've

9:13

developed a workflow where I buy it on Audible

9:15

and I sweep it to my audiobookshelf server over

9:17

time. And then that's how I do it. And as I'm

9:19

getting done with the book, I just you know, before

9:21

I'm done with my current book, I get another book

9:23

queued up. And how

9:26

you get them though, I think your mileage is going to vary. I'd love to know

9:28

how other people are doing it because I don't necessarily think

9:30

Audible is the best way. I don't necessarily want

9:32

to be giving that money to Amazon if

9:35

there was a different route to

9:37

go. And I would rather just buy them DRM

9:39

free. Yeah, from the get go, right? Yes. Support

9:42

the folks, the author of the book, the people

9:44

doing the voice work. So

9:48

audiobookshelf is a slick web app

9:51

with mobile apps for Android and iOS so that you

9:53

have to get in test flight on iOS that

9:55

helps you manage, organize and play

9:57

back audiobooks and podcasts. And And

10:00

I've heard from the audience that several

10:02

people that have a server-side self-hosted podcasting

10:04

set up is through Audio Bookshelf.

10:07

And it supports two kinds of libraries. You

10:10

can have books that have audiobooks and ebooks in

10:12

them and PDFs, and you can have a podcast

10:14

library. And it'll help manage the

10:16

metadata and it can subscribe to RSS feeds and

10:19

download them for you. It supports multiple

10:21

users and guest accounts. So

10:23

my family, my wife, my son and myself all

10:26

have our own accounts. And

10:29

it has a really nice visual interface that you can turn

10:31

on with wood if you want, or you can have really

10:33

clean. It's visually, it sorts it

10:35

really well. It supports things like collections

10:38

and series. So if you maybe have the

10:40

Expanse series, it'll put all of the Expanse

10:43

series together in a series and you can

10:45

start at the beginning. And

10:47

or if you want to make it like I made a custom collection

10:49

of the best books on Bitcoin. So if you

10:51

go on my server and you look at my profile and you

10:54

go to my collections, you'll see my recommended Bitcoin books collection. That

10:57

kind of stuff. Really neat ways for me

10:59

to organize and share with friends that

11:02

I think just particularly nails it.

11:05

I did talk about audiobookshelf and self-hosted. And

11:08

I go more into the networking and actual setup there. But

11:11

functionality wise, I know you both have been using it for

11:13

a bit. And Brent, maybe you actually have the most mileage

11:15

on us actually, because you've been using it since Berlin, haven't

11:17

you? You know, those folks in

11:19

Berlin, I got to tell you, you guys got to make

11:21

it there. They're great. Tom Ash, who I've mentioned before on

11:24

the show, was kind enough

11:26

to gift me

11:28

access to some of his

11:30

audiobook library because, you

11:33

know, as these audiobooks do, they come up

11:35

in conversation over and over again, you know,

11:37

when you're sharing ideas and just exploring things

11:41

you've learned recently. And so he's like,

11:43

you know, it's just easier if I just give

11:46

you access to this. Now, he gave me access

11:48

with just good old Wireguard. And

11:51

I was surprised that it just worked

11:53

super easily, super well. And

11:55

I was skeptical at first because I, you know,

11:57

we have the best listeners and we've been gifted.

12:00

these kind of things before and I wasn't too

12:02

sure if I would really get into it knowing

12:04

that I sort of fell off the audio book

12:06

bandwagon years and years ago. But

12:08

I learned that it's all about the

12:11

recommendations. So he made a

12:13

few key recommendations on book series

12:16

of various types like one that's more kind of

12:18

work focused and another one that's more just kind

12:20

of sci-fi and art kind of thing. And

12:23

man, am I ever

12:25

hooked. Like my journeys in

12:27

the German train system were changed from that moment

12:29

on. And flights are way better

12:32

now. So I, yeah, since

12:34

then, which was what, early December

12:36

or so, have just kind of

12:39

been hooked. And

12:41

unfortunately, my podcast listing has gone way

12:43

down because of it. Traitor. I

12:46

would say as a first time user of audio

12:48

bookshelf, it just kind

12:50

of all makes sense to me. Everything's listed.

12:53

The player is really good, has a

12:55

sleep function, Chris, that I would imagine you're

12:57

using religiously every single night. Every night. Brent,

12:59

are you mostly using the Android app then?

13:02

Or have you been using it on the

13:04

laptop? What's the, how are you using it?

13:06

Yeah, great question. Because I was on the go during that

13:08

trip. It

13:10

was just kind of made sense to use the

13:13

Android version. And so

13:15

that has just sort of been my workflow. And

13:18

I haven't really needed any other reason to

13:20

use it on the desktop because typically,

13:24

I'm building fires while I'm listening to

13:26

audio books or taking a walk or

13:28

something. Or I'm in an airport

13:30

or something like that, right? So being on

13:32

the desktop actually didn't lend itself to my particular

13:35

pattern. So being on mobile actually was great. And

13:37

I have zero complaints about the app. Well, I

13:39

have, I found one bug. But we'll just ignore

13:41

that for now. I was gonna say, in

13:44

some ways, the app feels a little more polished than the

13:46

web app. And they have an Android auto app

13:48

for the... Oh.

13:50

Mm-hmm. On iOS, it's a little

13:52

bit harder because it is test flight and there's

13:54

limited amount of users. So you kind of

13:57

have to get in just after a new release. So

13:59

for my son, Dylan. because he came in a little bit later. I

14:02

just set him up with a web app using

14:04

Safari on his iPhone. It works great in the

14:07

web app. Made a little icon on his launcher

14:09

for it. He connects up.

14:12

I set a little shortcut so the launcher actually starts

14:14

tail scale first and then launches the web

14:16

app. That's great. I

14:18

was going to say I did just notice though

14:20

that using the web app, it offered to install itself

14:22

as a Chrome app. I popped

14:24

up and did a really nice little dedicated window.

14:26

It plays nicely with the Linux window manager. Yeah.

14:30

So I've used the app mostly myself on

14:32

Android. I found that to work pretty well. You

14:35

can download and cache it, which I really

14:37

appreciate. So that way even when I'm in the

14:39

car, I'm not necessarily burning data. But

14:42

it still syncs up all of the

14:44

listen information and sync playback position stuff.

14:47

That's all been really fantastic. On the

14:49

installation side, I installed it as a

14:51

Docker Compose container. It's

14:53

a very straightforward container. Nothing really too weird

14:56

about it. No weird stuff. You

14:59

know, multiple containers set up. It's just one

15:01

straightforward app that runs and it's just running

15:03

really solid. I have it running on my

15:06

O-Droid and it's plenty

15:08

of resources there. All

15:10

in all, I feel like I've found my

15:12

forever home for audiobooks. I know it's weird

15:15

that I didn't even care about

15:17

this a month ago and now I'm a month into

15:19

it. This is the way we're going for the rest of my life. Literally

15:22

the rest of my life is how I'm doing audiobooks. I

15:24

wonder if part of it is like – to me it felt like it was just

15:26

– it kind of had some properties that

15:29

reminded me of Jellyfin in that it

15:31

was just so easy to get up and

15:33

going and have a very usable system with

15:35

minimal configuration that – okay,

15:37

maybe I wouldn't have thought that I wanted it. But because

15:40

it's so easy to have and then any

15:42

benefits you get are just clearly worth

15:44

it. What I found too is

15:46

it organizes and displays things in a way

15:49

that Audible sure doesn't do for me and

15:51

that just having these files in a directory doesn't

15:53

do for me. Because like you

15:56

said, like Jellyfin, it has like a discover

15:58

and here's what's recently been added. you

16:00

get that same discover mechanism that Plex

16:02

and Jellyfin try to give you. And

16:05

it's been resurfacing books in my own collection

16:07

that I just sort of forgotten about, even though I've been

16:09

looking at the directory, I've been looking at

16:11

the Audible pages. I look at the Audible app. I

16:14

had been scrolling to the Audible library app for ages,

16:17

but that stuff didn't stand out. And then you put it

16:19

in a library like this and you kind of change up

16:21

the discover new book stuff and all of a sudden I'm

16:24

re-listening to stuff that I bought three, four, five,

16:26

six, seven plus years ago. It's kind of

16:28

a nice way to just explore what you have to.

16:30

I ran it right out of the NIC store because

16:32

you can just run it as a single binary and

16:34

it runs and up and goes and it's got command

16:36

line flags for anything you need to configure. And

16:39

I pointed at my downloads folder because I knew I

16:41

had some stuff that was cached there from loading

16:44

e-books or whatnot. So I tried out

16:46

the e-book functionality, which is not super

16:48

sophisticated. It's not my favorite e-book reading

16:50

app on the phone. I agree. But

16:53

the desktop experience is pretty nice. And

16:56

for just added functionality and as

16:58

an organization system, I

17:00

kind of like it. But I was impressed because it was

17:02

just like it was a nice way to explore

17:04

the metadata of all the random MP3s and

17:07

other audio files that I just had laying

17:09

around on my computer. And like it makes

17:11

quick work of looking at them and going

17:13

through them. It has excellent like built in

17:15

ID3 tag and chapter support. Man,

17:18

if you could boost in their podcast app, it might be

17:20

one of my go to podcast players. What

17:22

I think was sort of struck me about

17:25

the way you can just have it to sort of look

17:27

at everything and add and scan and stuff like that is

17:29

I also discovered where I was missing books in

17:32

my series, which I thought, oh, OK. And

17:34

then the workflow for me is fine. It's I

17:36

go get that book and then

17:38

I just SFTP or whatever. You just get

17:40

to the file system, you drop

17:42

the file in the right folder and then audio

17:45

bookshelf, rescans the directory or you can tell to

17:47

manually rescan and boom, there it is. It's much

17:49

like the Plex Jellyfin workflow. Is you just add

17:51

the media file to the

17:53

underlying file system and then it the library

17:55

rescan every so often and picks it up,

17:58

go get fetches the metadata and. shows it

18:00

in your library. Now Chris, I know that

18:03

some of the media players like Plax and Jellyfin

18:05

are pretty particular about file naming. Did you run

18:07

into any of those kind of issues with these

18:09

audiobooks? I had zero problems.

18:12

And you know, I probably got in total

18:14

three, four hundred bucks in there now because

18:17

it's not just my books. It's also

18:19

Hadiya's books and Dylan's books. So there's quite a bit of

18:21

books in there now. And I've never

18:23

had a single problem. When

18:27

I read to their documentation, they do spend a

18:29

lot of time touching on organizing.

18:31

So I think it's a problem for some people

18:33

based on the emphasis they've given in the documentation.

18:35

So we'll link to that so

18:37

people can sort it out. I

18:40

don't know. I really want to give Audiobookshelf two

18:42

thumbs up. We've talked about it in self hosted too, but

18:45

I wanted to give it some attention

18:47

here because it's I think a very, very

18:49

much beloved podcast client and a piece of

18:51

software that you can run on Linux that

18:53

the whole family likes. It's

18:55

not very often we get a win like that where 10 minutes

18:58

of, you know, filling around a Docker compose and you

19:00

got to win for the whole family. Now

19:05

we have some exciting announcements for

19:07

our trip to scale. We

19:10

have some deets. Our first meetup is live

19:12

and all of that, of course, it's scale

19:14

and Nixcon all coming up March 14th through

19:16

the 17th. Nixcon

19:18

runs the first two days and

19:20

their schedule is now officially

19:22

live. And I'm really looking forward

19:25

to a couple of the talks in here. It

19:27

has a 11 a.m. talk on

19:29

the first day about managing your user land with

19:31

home manager. Yeah,

19:34

that one. Then

19:36

after the lunch, we're getting to Nix OS

19:38

modules and continuous integration. And then there's going

19:40

to be lightning talks and karaoke. They're going

19:42

to go to a karaoke bar. Brent,

19:44

I want to hear your pipes. All right. And

19:47

then on day two, how about this one? And

19:50

this is one of our community members. He has

19:52

a talk called Nix is better than Docker image

19:54

builder for building Docker images. Lessons

19:57

learned developing system D. Easier

20:00

NixOS self-hosting with module contracts. That's from Pierre,

20:02

that's definitely gonna be good. That sounds fun.

20:04

Yeah, the whole schedule will be linked in

20:07

our show notes. So that'll be

20:09

the first couple of days. And

20:11

like I mentioned earlier, we also have our

20:13

first meetup planned, lunch at scale, Saturday, March

20:15

16th. We

20:17

put it down, let's get together at the good

20:19

old classic yard house. It's been a solid go-to

20:22

for a long time. Saturday during lunch

20:24

at scale, we're gonna get together. The Unplugged crew will be

20:26

there at 1.30 p.m. Details

20:29

at meetup.com/Jupyter Broadcasting. Now I've heard you

20:31

talk a lot about like what's across

20:33

the street from Texas Linux Fest, for

20:36

instance. But I know nothing

20:38

of this restaurant and this venue. Can you give us

20:40

a little hint? Oh, right, you're totally new. So

20:42

across from the convention center is

20:45

a beautiful venue of different restaurants,

20:47

a movie theater. They

20:49

used to have a fantastic Brazilian steakhouse, but that's

20:51

gone now. But they have a very good Japanese

20:53

restaurant up there. And the yard

20:55

house, which is a kind of a catch-all. I actually

20:58

have a link to the menu in

21:00

the show notes, you can check it out. They got all

21:02

kinds of everything, but it's also just got a good

21:04

general vibe for talking to people. Out

21:06

of all the restaurants up there, it's been the

21:08

most conducive to conversation. So

21:11

that's why we hold it at the yard house.

21:13

Yeah, has something for everyone, hopefully, and a lot

21:15

of room for us to hang out with the

21:17

folks. Now our audience made this trip to Nixcon

21:19

and Scale possible, so we are asking you, what

21:22

do you wanna hear? Boost in with what you want

21:25

to see, any questions you have, or join the Mumble

21:27

Room next week. We are

21:29

just mere weeks away. There are

21:33

seven episodes alup until we're on the road, and we'd

21:35

love to know what you'd like to see. You can

21:37

also join the Scale Matrix Chat, a brand new chat

21:39

room that we've set up. It

21:41

is linked in the show notes as well. collide.com/unplug.

21:47

Look, if you're in IT, you deal with

21:50

security, especially if you work with Okta, you

21:52

gotta listen to this. This

21:54

is going to make life easier. You've probably

21:56

noticed this reoccurring pattern in recent data breaches

21:58

where. Employees, one way

22:01

or another, play a role. Maybe their machine

22:03

got compromised because they had out-of-date software. Maybe

22:05

their credentials got phished. Honestly,

22:07

with bring-your-own-devices, the range is pretty wide

22:09

right now. There's a lot of nice

22:11

things about bring-your-own-device, but this is

22:13

a real issue. And it's not the

22:15

fault of the users. It's inadequate preventative measures.

22:17

And this is where Collide comes in. They

22:19

are the solution to this

22:22

challenge. For anybody working in IT, anybody

22:24

who has security background, you know about

22:26

this problem. If you work with

22:29

Okta, Collide ensures that only secure devices can access

22:31

your cloud apps. So say goodbye to

22:33

compromised credentials. Say goodbye to out-of-date systems.

22:36

That all gets handled and managed before they connect.

22:38

And Collide works with them using direct messaging

22:41

that you work with, your procedures, your processes

22:43

to help the users resolve

22:45

the problem themselves. That

22:48

reduces burden, removes IT

22:51

from the bottleneck that can often

22:53

derail these zero-trust initiatives that gets

22:55

employees all riled up. I

22:57

think that's a huge win. So go

23:00

to collide.com/unplugged, get a demo, see how

23:02

this all works. Collide is empowering

23:04

employees, it's saving IT time, and it gives them

23:06

a dashboard to manage all their diverse systems. It's

23:09

pretty much the ideal solution. I think it would have

23:12

kept me in IT another 10 years. Go check it

23:14

out. collide.com.

23:16

kolide.com slash

23:18

unplugged. collide.com/

23:21

unplugged. We

23:24

have opened the skies of another

23:26

planet. Ingenuity

23:31

really opened the door for

23:33

aerial exploration on Mars. It's just

23:36

been this plucky little helicopter that

23:38

just defied everybody's expectations. I'm

23:44

incredibly proud and grateful

23:46

for all that Ingenuity has been able

23:48

to give us. What would you say

23:51

to Ingenuity directly? Ugh,

23:54

you're going to make me cry. You know, what

23:56

would I say to Ingenuity? It's really

23:58

hard to say goodbye to you. I

24:00

would say thank you. Ingenuity, thank

24:02

you for bringing us all together.

24:04

Thank you for leading the charge

24:07

in our adventure on Mars, and

24:09

we will never forget you. Rest

24:11

well. Thank you Ingenuity. Thank you

24:13

Ingenuity. Thanks Ingenuity. Thanks Ingenuity. Well,

24:17

yes, on January 18th, Ingenuity, the

24:20

little Linux copper that could, flew

24:22

its 72nd and its final

24:25

flight. It is bittersweet that

24:27

I must announce that Ingenuity,

24:30

the little helicopter that could,

24:33

and it kept saying, I think I can, I

24:35

think I can. Well, it has

24:38

now taken its last flight on

24:40

Mars. As

24:42

it was coming down for landing,

24:45

at least one of its carbon

24:47

fiber rotor blades was damaged. We're

24:51

investigating the possibility that the

24:53

blade struck the ground. And

24:55

we got to actually see this blade

24:58

in person down at JPL, because listeners

25:00

might remember that Tim down

25:02

there invited us to give us a tour.

25:04

And when I heard the news that Ingenuity

25:06

had its last flight, I reached

25:09

out and I just said, really, congratulations, 72 flights.

25:11

What a run. Yeah, absolutely incredible. And

25:13

Tim wrote back, he says, thanks, it was a

25:16

great ride. The helicopter

25:18

far exceeded our expectations. It's a

25:20

great victory for Linux. Love

25:23

to see that. It performed great

25:25

during the entire mission. He

25:27

said, a note that the helicopter base station

25:29

that's on the rover is still healthy and

25:32

has the same processor and Linux as the

25:35

helicopter and will be used for some software

25:37

experiments going forward still. See, Linux is ready.

25:39

Even if you break your copter, Linux is

25:41

there. It continues to operate and be used

25:43

on the surface of Mars, even though the

25:46

helicopter's done. That's really neat. That's the

25:48

silver lining of this story. Thank you, Tim, for telling

25:50

us that too, because

25:52

that really made me smile. And the

25:54

memories of our trip to JPL are

25:58

so, just so fresh. And

26:01

as we are about to go back to

26:03

Pasadena for scale, I wanted

26:05

to go back in time for the last time we made

26:07

it to Pasadena, which was for our JPL trip, and

26:09

take us to the moment we arrived at our

26:12

very warm Airbnb. We made it to

26:14

the bottom of the earth, we did it. We're here, we

26:17

are in Pasadena, we are at our Airbnb. Things

26:21

sound hot, it's over

26:23

100 degrees outside. Hadiya did great. Brent,

26:25

how did you do? I'm not done

26:27

merging pull requests on the website. Need

26:30

a little bit further? Yeah, could I just sit here in

26:32

my office? Even California isn't big

26:35

enough for Brent. He did get those pull

26:37

requests merged, and we got packed up, we

26:39

headed over to JPL, we got there in

26:41

the parking lot, and the listeners were already

26:43

there waiting for us. We've made it to

26:46

JPL, and well, there's an equestrian center, so

26:48

it's already not what I expected. There

26:50

was horse riding going around,

26:53

all around us, actually, like big,

26:55

beautiful horses. Like

26:57

that's what you expect when you go to a space

26:59

center, right? No, a little

27:02

more mundane earthly endeavor. Something

27:04

so government about that, though. Like you go to a

27:06

government, they're like, yeah, there's something so government about it,

27:08

but I know it's JPL, it's a

27:10

little different, but it's just very unique, and

27:13

honestly, a little distracting. Boys, we

27:15

did it. We're actually here. JPL

27:19

in the background, some listeners

27:21

are already here. It's

27:24

a good day. The tour's supposed to be

27:26

about two, two and a half hours, lots

27:28

of walking, so then lots of

27:30

napping afterwards, and probably

27:32

eating. No

27:34

horseback ride for you then? Never

27:37

did get that horseback ride, but one

27:39

of my, I mean, many favorite moments, so many favorite

27:41

moments, but one of the best moments was

27:43

when they took us upstairs, and we came around

27:45

the corner, and there was this large glass

27:48

display area, windows, and you look in

27:50

to where they wear the bunny suits,

27:52

and they're building the probes. Well, this

27:54

is pretty cool. Look

27:57

at this, we're getting to watch them as they build. next

28:00

robot, the clipper

28:02

that's going to Europa, which is

28:04

the moon of Jupiter, which is pretty awesome. This

28:07

is amazing. This

28:11

is the area you always see like in the TV

28:13

shows and movies. They're

28:18

screwing around. I

28:21

know you were captivated, so they've got like a live

28:23

stream of that. You kept tuning in to

28:26

watch that little clipper get built. I did, I did. And they

28:28

got a lot of work done. I did,

28:30

I did eventually stop checking in, but I should bring it

28:32

back up again and watch him go. We

28:34

got to figure out a way to get an episode on

28:36

Plugged on one of these. Yeah, get a load on it.

28:38

It's sort of Golden Record style. We

28:41

had a good time. And afterwards we made it

28:43

back to the Airbnb and it was the first

28:45

time we ever tried buying steaks with sats. You

28:47

remember the sats steaks? Unfortunately,

28:50

we had a grease fire. Although

28:52

I think Alex made the best of it. Alex has

28:54

a grease fire, but like the pro he is, he's

28:56

working with the fire. Yeah. He's got

28:59

grease fire. I turned off the gas. Yeah, everything's

29:01

off on the gas here. Yeah,

29:04

you can see if you look down in there,

29:06

it's actually the grease pan catches on fire. Yeah,

29:08

we're getting a good char on a good bit

29:10

char. Yeah. I think we're getting

29:12

about. Woo. We're about getting

29:14

there. Yeah, I think so. Hey, that's

29:17

all right. Just

29:21

work with the grease fire. Who needs a sear

29:23

burner when you've got this. Yeah,

29:25

you see, as podcasters, you just learn to tuck and roll. You

29:28

get any steak at all. It's a great day. I mean,

29:31

every episode we're doing, we're basically dealing with a grease fire.

29:33

So you should see the state of this mixer. I'm

29:36

like, yeah. I

29:38

will say if you want to

29:40

feel nostalgic and revisit those episodes

29:42

from that time, Linux Unplugged 478,

29:45

and we keenly named it the best

29:47

of both worlds. I

29:50

also did a brunch with Brent with Tim, which was one

29:52

of my favorites. So if you want to check that out,

29:54

those will be linked as well. Absolutely.

29:57

And just congratulations to the JPL team. Anybody

30:00

down there that's still listening to the pod, we've been

30:02

following along and so damn impressed with 72

30:04

Flights. Thank

30:12

you to our unplugged core members as well. You're getting

30:14

double the content these days. We're putting a lot of

30:16

work into that members feed, so you get an extra

30:18

show if you like, or you get

30:21

the mean, lean, tight, ad-free

30:23

version. Still all the great

30:25

Drew touches, just the

30:27

essentials. That's also available. One of the

30:29

most important feeds is a thank you when you become an unplugged core

30:31

member. unpluggedcore.com, or there's a

30:33

link on our main website. And

30:35

thank you everybody who signed up during our promo run. Appreciate

30:38

that. We'll have another one sometime in the future, of

30:40

course. But no immediate plan skis, but I do want

30:42

to do one again in the future soon. It

30:45

was great. And we really appreciate our members

30:47

very much these days. And

30:51

now it is time for Le Boost.

30:53

We are at that time of the show where we get

30:55

to read the messages from the people who supported this here

30:57

production. And our first boost,

30:59

our baller boost this week is from

31:02

Caro Mato Zero. Probably not

31:04

how you say it, but I'm going for it. 329,000

31:07

sats. Thank

31:13

you, Caro. And you know, when you come in with a

31:15

big baller boost on Fountain, it pops us right up there

31:17

to the top of the charts. And

31:20

then lots of people find us. So

31:22

you're doing us a double favor there. Really appreciate

31:24

that. And this one from Chris White's longtime listener for

31:26

about 16 years back in the

31:28

day of the Linux action show and Castelblasta. Yeah,

31:31

long timer. Indeed. Whoa.

31:34

Have we had anybody in the boost namedrop

31:36

Castelblasta yet? No. Few and

31:38

far between. If so rare, rare. Let's

31:40

just we pretend like that doesn't exist. Wow.

31:43

That is some legit cred, though. He says, I finally

31:45

got around to sending in some sats. Thanks for all

31:47

those years. Looking forward to more. The

31:50

first two digits are country code and

31:52

the rest forms the postal code. Thank

31:54

you, Christoph. Uh oh, Wes, did you bring your map? Oh, you

31:56

did. Good, good. Yeah,

31:59

the international edition. Of course, of course. Yeah, you got

32:01

it, you got it. Wow. Thank

32:03

you for listening for 16 years. That's,

32:06

I mean, quite literally three years older than my

32:08

oldest kid. Okay, so

32:11

country code 32 seems

32:13

to be Belgium. And

32:15

that would leave 9,000 for

32:17

the postal code, which seems

32:19

to be the city of Ghent. Hello, Ghent.

32:23

Thank you for boosting in. Appreciate you. Now

32:29

the one was in with 75,000 SATs. I

32:33

hoard that with your kind cup. Also

32:35

from Fountain. Some SATs

32:38

for Scale 2024. If

32:40

you've already reached your target, well then,

32:42

congratulations. Here's some SATs for Scale 2025.

32:46

Mmm, California. Beautiful.

32:49

No, we absolutely appreciate it still because, you

32:52

know, it's not necessarily a fixed cost, but also we've

32:55

literally been putting all of those

32:57

SATs towards Scale. They're in their own

32:59

separate wallet now. And

33:02

these SATs haven't really been going

33:05

to support the show production so much. It's good. I

33:07

mean, right? Scale's for the show. So I'm happy with

33:09

the way it's all worked out. But now

33:11

we can actually start putting this back towards the production of the show

33:13

again, which is good. It's

33:15

very good. Because we're getting a little frostbit

33:17

around the edges from the Adwinter. Mick's

33:19

EP came in with two boosts for a total of

33:22

55,000 SATs. First

33:25

one for 50,000 SATs says Scale

33:27

Boost. And then

33:29

right after, 5000 SATs saying, let's

33:32

just rename that last Scale Boost

33:34

to a birthday boost. Hey, Lane,

33:37

go shimmery. Sweet, really pretty

33:39

here. Thank you

33:41

for the birthday boost, Mick Zip. I really appreciate it.

33:43

That's great. Martin

33:46

Erebier comes in with 42,000 SATs. The

33:50

answer to the ultimate question. Linux

34:00

platform, ALP, and there will be a

34:03

non-immutable and immutable installation options.

34:05

There will also be a

34:07

Leap Micro 6 option.

34:09

For me, this is quite exciting as

34:11

I'm a longtime SUSE Leap user. The

34:14

stats are for scale, by the way. Best

34:16

regards, Martin DeBarr from the Netherlands. We

34:19

were chewing on this in the member stream

34:21

last week is it looks like they're gonna

34:23

have something now called slow roll, which is

34:25

kind of gonna sit between tumbleweed and

34:27

Leap. My only concern is I'm

34:30

already losing track here because we've got slow

34:33

roll, leap, tumbleweed,

34:35

adaptable Linux platform, non-immutable

34:38

and immutable, Micro, yeah.

34:41

I will say I had that same feeling but Martin

34:43

it's nice to hear from folks that are excited

34:46

about it especially the Leap side of things. Right.

34:48

Yeah, if you're in that ecosystem,

34:51

right, then it does make sense to you probably already.

34:53

If you're coming from the outside like these are a

34:55

lot of choices but like from Martin's perspective, he's in

34:57

that world it makes sense to him so it is

34:59

good to get that. Here are our boots on the

35:02

ground lizard reporter now. Thank you sir.

35:04

Sorry, Brad. Oh, I'm good with it.

35:07

Hybrid sarcasm boosts in with 42,000 cents.

35:10

The answer to the ultimate question.

35:13

Oh, and this is the question actually.

35:15

Why do seagulls fly over the ocean?

35:18

Hmm. I

35:22

have no idea why. Because if they

35:24

flew over the bay we call them bagels. Oh,

35:27

that's pretty good. I gotta tell that one to my kids. I

35:30

texted my daughter randomly at school

35:32

and I

35:34

should, I don't know, I don't have it but it was something

35:37

like why did the banana cross the street and

35:39

then she says why and I said they don't cross the

35:41

street. That's silly. Something like that, you know, this real dad

35:43

jokes so I like that one. Why did the seagull fly

35:45

over the ocean? Because if they flew

35:48

over the bay we call them bagels. That's

35:50

pretty good. Now Jordan

35:52

Bravo came in with two boosts. The first

35:54

one, a spaceballs

35:56

boost. So

35:58

the combination is... One, two,

36:00

three, four, five! That's

36:03

the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my

36:06

life! Now this isn't related to NixOS, but

36:08

I want to recommend... Jelly,

36:10

a modern T-Mux replacement, written

36:12

in Rust. I

36:17

recently incorporated it into my workflow and it's

36:19

a total game changer. You spend a lot

36:21

of time in the terminal like I do,

36:23

I highly recommend it. And, of

36:25

course, it's available in Nix packages. Hmm,

36:29

a terminal workspace with batteries included, it says.

36:32

Zelly, Z-E-L-L-I-J. I'll

36:35

give this a try after the show. Yeah,

36:37

you know, that does look really good. Jordan is also

36:39

holding a workshop around Nix in

36:41

his neck of the woods in Atlanta.

36:43

But unfortunately, by the

36:46

time this airs, it's going to be all over.

36:48

But if you are in the Atlanta area, there

36:50

will be a second one on the 3rd of

36:52

February. So you can check on

36:54

the 3rd in your area if you're in Atlanta for Jordan's

36:56

Nix meetup. Now Jordan

36:58

also sent in a row of McDucks.

37:00

Things are looking up for old McDuck.

37:03

Saying, if I weren't about to have a newborn

37:05

baby, I would 100% attend NixCon in March. Definitely

37:09

next year, though. Meanwhile, I'm

37:11

giving a free two-part Nix workshop,

37:13

as Chris mentioned, in Atlanta, Georgia.

37:15

Yay, good for you. Yeah,

37:18

congrats. And, you know, Jordan's also a regular

37:20

over in our NixNerd's Matrix chat room. Sharing

37:23

his neat setups and helping people out, which is wonderful.

37:25

You do like to see it, don't you? You

37:27

do. Thank you for the boost, too. Southern

37:30

Frads, Asafrads comes in with a couple of boosts.

37:32

First one, Spaceballs. 1,

37:35

2, 3, 4, 5. Yes. That's amazing.

37:37

I've got the same combination on my

37:39

luggage. Using the index, he writes, a

37:42

pro for watching live would be the

37:44

video feed. He'd like to have that,

37:46

but an audio-only consumption version would miss

37:48

out on things like Brent's cat scarfs.

37:51

That's true. He goes

37:53

on, Alas, watching live would drive me of the

37:55

entertainment for multiple commutes. Yeah, I think that is

37:57

one reason why sometimes people don't want to catch

37:59

it. He likes listening Monday. I understand.

38:01

I understand. Regarding deleted

38:03

challenge about building only from source, he

38:06

says, you know, the title of that

38:08

episode practically writes itself. It's BYOB. Bring

38:10

your own binaries. That

38:12

is pretty good. He

38:14

also sends me a happy birthday. He says, I

38:16

almost missed the news about Sunday being a special

38:18

day. I don't have 42,000 sats just sitting around,

38:20

but I can provide a factor of that

38:23

with this boost. He does add though,

38:25

he wishes he would have caught us live

38:27

last week because there was a missed opportunity

38:29

for the show title saying that episode 546,

38:31

Snowflake, the next generation should

38:33

have been one of the titles. I do

38:35

think somebody did bang suggest that. I just don't think

38:38

it won. I think it was bang suggested though. Anonymous

38:40

boosts in 12,345 sats. We're

38:44

going to have to go right to

38:47

ludicrous speed. Come the desert

38:49

at scale. We will. Thank

38:52

you. Thank you. Bear

38:54

454 boosted in with 5,000 sats. I'm

38:59

still Nick suspicious. You keep telling me

39:01

how stable it is, but then you

39:03

also tell us about these totally obscure

39:06

issues that you run into, like your

39:08

genome network indicator not working. Neither

39:11

Firefox nor Chrome working properly for you

39:13

either. My gut reaction after

39:16

years of Linux administration and desktop

39:18

use is you've over

39:21

customized. I still see

39:23

the value in crafted distributions because of the

39:25

QA that happens cohesively across the system. You

39:27

know, it is funny. I've heard that you've

39:29

over customized thing for so many years and

39:31

then whenever something doesn't work, it doesn't do

39:33

the right thing. The answer is always we

39:35

just need to customize a little bit. So

39:37

there's always that sort of balance there. I

39:39

think with both Firefox and Chrome, the

39:41

issue simply is that I was

39:44

on Wayland and their Wayland implementations were

39:46

relatively early. Firefox has

39:48

updated and stopped crashing for me.

39:51

Chrome still has a problem where my

39:53

extension menus get cut off, but

39:55

I've now I've discovered that if I – I've never tried this before,

39:58

but if I just – maximize

40:00

the window or if

40:03

I just drag it so it's almost maximized, then

40:06

my extension menus are fine. So it's

40:08

just with the windows smaller. Yeah, and I don't actually

40:10

see, I don't think that's so much a nix thing

40:12

again as I think it's probably more of a toolkit

40:14

and Wayland issue. And so I'd probably

40:16

be running into the same thing if I was on

40:19

the latest version of GNOME, with the latest version of Wayland,

40:22

and the latest version of Pipewire on

40:24

Arch or Gen 2, I'd probably be having

40:26

these same issues. I want to touch on

40:29

something here because I'm running NixOS on my

40:31

framework and with pretty

40:33

much the exact same setup,

40:36

but on Tumbleweed here on my dev1.

40:40

And I found myself switching between X and

40:42

between Wayland and what I am discovering, and

40:44

I wonder if you both feel this way,

40:46

is that they

40:49

both now feel a little

40:52

bit on edge in terms of

40:54

bugs. So it's almost like

40:56

X isn't seeing some bug fixes

40:59

and things that it used to, so

41:01

it's getting a little, I don't know,

41:04

old in the tooth. But also

41:06

Wayland's not quite there yet

41:08

either, so I'm kind of like, find myself switching

41:10

between them because it's like, well, which bug land

41:12

do I want to choose to live in? And

41:15

I find that really challenging. It's kind of

41:18

the awkward middle transition period, right, when X is

41:20

stagnant, so there's a lot of new stuff. If

41:22

you need any of those new features, then you've

41:24

got to do Wayland. And the largest desktop environments

41:27

have kind of declared they're done supporting X, so

41:29

they don't necessarily even build features. Like the

41:32

one that kills me on

41:34

the laptop is on X. I

41:36

don't have swipe to switch workspaces only in Wayland,

41:38

and so I immediately can tell when I've accidentally

41:40

loaded into X. You don't need X guys anymore,

41:43

right? Yeah, right. I just thought

41:45

I can swipe or not. And of

41:47

course I suppose if these things bothered

41:49

you, the solution would be to run

41:51

XFCE on Nix, or to run a

41:53

desktop environment that perhaps doesn't change as

41:55

frequently. I don't really put this at the feet

41:57

of Nix. In

42:00

a way, Nick lets me walk it

42:02

back easier than say tumbleweed might. Tumbleweed,

42:05

you can still do snapshots, but it's just at such

42:07

a different level. I think it's fair just to say

42:09

though, like, you know, bear the point that Nick's us

42:11

in a way is sort of a build your own

42:13

distribution framework. And so, yeah, you do kind

42:15

of you have to do some of the crafting and that's

42:19

reasonably not for everyone. Yeah, I

42:21

kind of I kind of think that's equivalent to

42:23

how my home lab stack is. Nobody supports my

42:25

home lab stack except for me. It's my custom

42:27

home lab and it used to be

42:29

how it was for like our trucks, right? It's

42:32

not a totally new concept for us. It's just

42:34

not as familiar anymore. And I think it's worth

42:36

saying too, even if you don't switch to like

42:39

Nick's OS on your, you know, interface laptop desktop

42:41

computer, you might still find value in

42:43

using it for containers or virtual machines or just

42:45

on the command line as an extra package manager.

42:48

Thank you, Bear, by the way. Appreciate it. Zach

42:50

comes in with 5000 stats using

42:52

the index and says, I'm

42:55

going to have to try Snowflake OS in a VM.

42:57

I see how Nick's can be helpful, but for myself,

42:59

I come too deep in archidevian. You

43:03

know what, Zach? That's what distro box is for,

43:05

my friend. No, no, you use what works for

43:07

you. But if you do try Nick's

43:09

and you get a little hung up, this

43:11

box can be your friend. And, you know,

43:14

just worth pointing out too that these days

43:16

the graphical installer on the regular Nick's OS.

43:18

So good. So good. So if Snowflake doesn't

43:20

work or you run into problems, maybe try

43:22

that too. Yeah, the Snowflake installer is

43:24

new. There's still early days there. The

43:27

Nick's one, I've never had it fail.

43:29

No, it works great. Otterbrain

43:31

boosts in with 5000 cents. I like that

43:33

name. Just wondering,

43:36

what is the row of ducks reference

43:38

and what is the woman singing when

43:40

there's a big boost? Oh, Otterbrain

43:42

must be new. Welcome to the show. Yeah, and

43:44

join the show currently running Fedora on a System76

43:47

laptop, but we'll give Nick's a try. Thanks

43:49

for sharing your passion for tech and for experimenting.

43:52

Otterbrain, thank you for being willing to ask the questions. I'm

43:54

sure other people are wondering too. So, taken

43:57

from the top, a row of ducks is 2,200 cents. 222

44:00

sats Or

44:02

if you want to do mik ducts, that's twenty

44:05

two thousand two hundred and twenty two sats See

44:07

you sound looking up for all but and we've

44:09

got a whole bunch of different sound bites in

44:11

case people send multiple in And

44:14

that was it's you know These are

44:16

themes and memes that are started by

44:18

our community and they get a life of their own But

44:21

Chris why ducks? Guess

44:24

a two kinda looks like a duck. Yeah on the calculator

44:26

if you look at them on a calculator that kind of

44:28

look like ducks You know

44:30

that's a lot of it comes from numeron numerology

44:32

spelled out on the calculators where a lot of

44:35

this comes from And the

44:37

ladies singing in the hey rich lobster

44:40

That's a future Rama reference. So it you

44:43

know depending on your age demo and

44:45

you know television preference you may or

44:47

may not be familiar future Rama and That's

44:50

a clip from there which I'm actually rewatching with

44:52

the kids right now. Oh wonderful That

44:54

was also a boost sound recommended by a dear

44:56

listener and I think it's one of the best

44:58

ones we've ever had I always like it

45:00

makes me smile every time some guy

45:02

named West boosters in with a row of

45:05

test ducks sure, then And

45:08

then crypto Phil came in with a

45:12

Spaceballs boost Crypto

45:19

Phil with castomatic writes first-time booster.

45:21

Love your podcaster and love

45:23

your podcast been listening since late summer

45:26

Welcome aboard two newbies. That's nice. Wonderful. Nice

45:28

to hear and of course

45:30

the podcast mascot The Golden Dragon comes in

45:33

with those rows of ducks This

45:36

big opportunity miss to call the Fosdom

45:38

room the Fos dudes great nixie show

45:40

guys We're always trying

45:42

to come up with good names. We should have run him past

45:44

the Golden Dragon We just called the

45:46

scale chat room scale. Maybe that's one of

45:48

the mascots responsibilities I'm Chris and I tried

45:50

but we came up with exactly nothing. Yep.

45:52

Yep Our

45:54

pal Jean being boosts in with 4,896 sets across three

45:56

boots I'm

46:05

looking forward to meeting y'all at NixCon and Scale. Oh,

46:13

the legend Gene Bean's going to be

46:15

there? We're going to prepare ourselves. I'm

46:17

a little nervous. And

46:19

if that wasn't enough, Gene continues with a row of

46:21

ducks. For the random thing

46:23

that Flatpak is still the best or only

46:26

option for, check out Nix-Flatpak.

46:29

It's working well for me. Do y'all use

46:31

anything for Flatpak? What? What

46:34

a declarative Flatpak manager for Nix. Oh my god,

46:36

Gene. Guys, I asked about this. This is amazing.

46:40

You shouldn't ask Gene Bean.

46:42

Game changed. Game

46:45

changed. Because the Flatpak's the last manual thing

46:47

I have to install now. That just went

46:49

away. Oh, you can

46:51

install remotes too? Handy. Okay,

46:53

well, I would say pause the show. We've got to go change it.

46:56

Yeah, I feel like I want to go right now.

47:00

Nix-Flatpak, of course, will put a link to this in the

47:02

show notes too, Gene. That's a winner.

47:04

Thank you very much for that. Really appreciate

47:06

that. Thank you everybody who boosts in. We do have the

47:08

2000 sats cut off. We

47:11

had 17 boosters, total of 22 boosts

47:13

this week. And we stacked

47:15

673,442 sats. Thank you everyone. We

47:22

really do appreciate the support of each production and your

47:24

messages. It gives us a chance to go off script,

47:26

answer your questions, and it really builds a

47:28

culture and a community around the show. We really

47:31

do appreciate everyone who also streams those sats. We

47:33

see you. Wasn't it Gene Bean

47:35

as we were setting up that was streaming sats? Indeed it was.

47:37

As we were like, oh, there's Gene Bean. And we were sitting

47:39

there talking about him as he's listening. Because we have on the

47:41

dashboard, if you set your username, we can see

47:43

him when you're listening with the streaming sats. And that tickles

47:45

us. It's something we're really neat about when we're sitting down

47:48

and setting up the show and you see somebody streaming in

47:50

a few. So thank you everybody. We appreciate you very much

47:52

out there. Thank you everybody who takes a moment

47:54

to support the show, spread the word, or boost. The

47:57

easiest workflow these days is probably strike and

47:59

fail. fountain strikes available in 36 ish

48:01

maybe 40 countries now and

48:04

they have integration with fountain FM and fountain FM

48:06

has gotten remarkably good however I have

48:08

to say our audience really seems to

48:11

like podverse too which is the GPL

48:13

podcasting 2.0 client we'll have more on

48:15

that front it might be worth your time

48:17

to go get a new podcast app if you haven't yet

48:19

because there's gonna be more things coming from us get to

48:21

why not try him out get I got

48:23

to I got my got three I don't know I

48:26

definitely do I jump around sometimes like it like I

48:28

used to distro hop it's kind

48:30

of fun how

48:33

about a pic that's on theme the

48:36

number one thing I heard when

48:38

people are looking for a local

48:42

in their control audiobook solution

48:44

that doesn't require a server doesn't require any

48:47

docker just something that runs locally on their

48:49

phone I have not tried this

48:51

but man did I get when I asked

48:53

this question was this by far the highest

48:55

signal the app is called

48:57

3 Android is called smart audiobook player

49:01

and it is a comprehensive

49:03

local app to manage and

49:05

play audiobooks and you could

49:07

just have the whole collection on an SD card

49:09

or whatever if you're if you still have an

49:11

Android that does that but I could see this

49:14

you have your whole audiobook collection on your SD card

49:16

you pop it in the Android phone you point this

49:18

app at it and it just takes care of the

49:20

whole thing it does the metadata thing it does everything

49:23

we talked about but it's all a local solution just

49:25

on one device which might be for

49:27

somebody who's only doing on that yeah right you

49:29

just could be it you just need a folder

49:32

with your audiobooks in there you point this at

49:34

it yeah I saw the people are doing like

49:36

services that they sync like Dropbox and sync thing

49:38

and whatnot they'll sync a folder you could probably

49:40

do with next cloud so just got to get

49:42

those audiobooks on the Android device and then you

49:44

point smart audiobook player at it 4.8 stars

49:47

too so we'll put a link to that in the show notes I'm like

49:49

a really good one you know if you don't want

49:51

to but I I really like audiobook

49:54

shelf because I just the idea of

49:56

a server just sitting there managing it for me and

49:58

downloading a few podcasts and archiving them and all that.

50:01

I like that. I like when it's just sitting there running for me.

50:03

We do have a bonus pick. Who snuck this in?

50:06

I snuck this one in. What do you got

50:08

for us? For those keen listeners, you may have

50:10

noticed that this week is Data Privacy Week in

50:12

some parts of the world. And

50:14

I thought that would be a nice throwback to

50:17

Linux Unplugged 5.2.2, practical

50:19

privacy. We named it and it's just action

50:22

packed, full of our privacy

50:24

suggestions, different apps and things like that.

50:26

So I think if you're thinking

50:28

about privacy this week, you should definitely dive in

50:30

there. That's a good... Look at you,

50:32

keeping an eye on the calendar. This

50:35

work in a day job's got you sharp.

50:37

Chief calendar correspondent. But

50:40

does Canada use the same calendar we do? I

50:42

never thought of that. Well, they don't have the

50:44

same holidays, so they must not, right? Because their

50:46

holidays are on different days. Yeah, Thanksgiving, everything's just

50:48

kind of like mixed up. Now we also have

50:51

a few more bonus, like, audiobook players. Like, oh,

50:53

oh, oh, we didn't even mention

50:55

the Home Assistant integration. I was going to ask. Yeah,

50:57

yeah, we should talk. We could have talked about that.

50:59

So we'll have that linked in there. Sonos,

51:01

if you're a Sonos user, we'll have that

51:03

in there. And then another native client for

51:05

iOS that's written in Swift, which I need

51:07

to check out. It's a good

51:10

link this week. Of course, those will all be

51:12

at linuxunplugged.com/547? The

51:15

good kind of 547. Yeah,

51:18

yeah. And please remember to do Boosted. It does

51:20

support the show. And we want to know how

51:22

you collect your audiobooks or if you do the

51:24

audiobook thing. Is it a habit you have avoided

51:26

so far? Let us know. We

51:29

always appreciate that. And or maybe you're

51:31

listening to this via audiobook shelf on the podcast side. Check

51:33

it in too. I'd like to hear that. Yeah. How's that

51:35

been going? Give us your boots on

51:37

the ground report if you've been using it as a

51:39

podcast player for a bit. Because I'm like, right

51:42

now as we record, about a month

51:44

in. So it's not a long-term review

51:46

by me. So if you've got a little bit of longer

51:48

term experience, I'd love to share that with the audience. So

51:51

Boosted will let us know. We'll be live again next Sunday

51:54

at noon Pacific, 3pm Eastern. See you next

51:56

week. Same bad time, same

51:58

bad station. Of

52:01

course you can always join that virtual lug. We

52:03

have a mumble room that's running during the show

52:05

when we are live. We get a low latency

52:07

Opus stream. There's also Jupiter Station, a podcasting 2.0

52:10

feed where we're streaming it live and I also

52:12

have a few other productions over there like the

52:14

weekly launch. I showed a kick off here Monday

52:16

with the news that I thought was interesting, kind

52:18

of set you up for the week on the

52:20

stories that we'll be setting the stage. You can

52:22

check that out. Brand new content in the Jupiter

52:25

Station RSS feed. Just search for it in the

52:27

podcasting 2.0. Thank you

52:29

so much for joining us on this week's episode of

52:31

the Unplugged Program. We'll see you right back

52:33

here next Tuesday. And it's in

52:35

Sunday! Thanks

53:25

for watching!