0:00

I'm looking at this list of tools we're going to cover

0:02

today and there's some really really good ones on here

0:05

But I can't help notice one thing is missing and

0:07

I feel like this show has a blind spot

0:09

when it comes to sink thing I Mean,

0:12

I guess it's my bad Sink

0:14

thing is the goat of file synchronization.

0:16

It's been around for years I mean,

0:19

I've literally used it on and off for ages, but I've

0:21

used it daily for at least three years straight and It

0:26

is just rock-solid at this point I

0:28

was doing some backups tearing down some

0:30

old VPS is I sort of left

0:32

around cluttered from old projects and What

0:34

did I find running on one sink thing sink

0:36

thing? Heck? Yeah. Yeah, it'd been up for six

0:38

years. I Think

0:41

back in the day I used it to

0:44

sync photos from my Nexus phone. Oh,

0:46

wow. Yeah, I Like so

0:48

the day on their github the project has seven

0:50

goals But I think

0:52

the first two just say all you need to know Number

0:55

one protecting the users data is paramount.

0:57

We take every reasonable precaution to avoid

0:59

corrupting the users data files number

1:02

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1:04

data is paramount Regardless of our

1:06

other goals. We must never allow

1:08

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1:10

eavesdropping or modification by unauthorized parties

1:13

I like that. So shout out to

1:15

sink thing who's just been quietly moving my

1:17

data around for three years without a hitch

1:32

Well, hello friends and welcome back

1:34

to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is

1:36

Chris My name is Wes and my name is

1:38

Brent. Well, hello gentlemen

1:40

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1:56

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2:00

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2:02

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3:23

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3:30

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3:50

we only have 26 responses so far and

3:52

that's not going to cut it. Wow. What

3:55

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3:58

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4:00

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4:20

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4:22

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go get your votes in now, Tuxes.party.

4:50

Also, I just wanted to say some folks in The

4:52

Matrix were asking us to confirm the date

4:55

for episode 600. And

4:58

so I can say that will be

5:00

February 2nd, Sunday, February 2nd. So

5:02

if folks are thinking about having a get together or

5:04

whatnot, that's the data plan around. Yep. Yep. And I

5:06

think we'll have more on the get together stuff soon

5:09

once we get through the Tuxes. Oh, yeah.

5:12

And a quick shout out

5:14

because we had a great website contribution

5:16

from Teresa 24, who

5:18

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5:23

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of applause to the website team. Yeah, it's

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just a couple of dedicated contributors, a

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handful of folks really, that

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to phrase this, but as

5:51

we get to our last couple of episodes of the year,

5:53

I have a question I would like

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you to answer via Boost, and that is. the

6:00

biggest thing happening in Linux right now. I

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saw a thread on our Linux and it was complaining

6:05

about how all distros are the same. And

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there's nothing really that interesting between the different distros once

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you remove package management. And then I saw somebody else

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innovation that is, but it doesn't

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Linux in 2024. It'll

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6:28

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everything. The tuxes.party, the tuxes

6:32

on December 22nd. We

6:35

have the best website team in the world. And

6:37

we're looking for the biggest meta story in

6:39

Linux right now. So

6:44

this episode marks two years with

6:46

Graphene OS for all of us.

6:49

And I just thought we'd take a

6:52

moment to talk about some of the things that

6:54

actually made transitioning for me from iOS to Graphene

6:56

OS possible. Also

6:58

reflect on just two years of

7:01

using a non-stock Android OS, and if we

7:03

miss any of the stock features. And

7:05

then I can't help but note that

7:08

this week, the United States

7:10

Justice Department recommended that Android be

7:12

split away from Google, along with

7:15

Chrome and other things. And

7:18

as a Graphene OS user, I find myself

7:21

totally unfazed by that news. I've

7:25

kind of already picked my lane and it seems unaffected. So

7:28

I'm curious, and Brent, I'll start with you. If

7:31

you miss anything about stock OS, Android,

7:34

perhaps when you're out socializing, you

7:36

see folks with stock phones maybe have

7:38

features, or some of the stock

7:40

apps that I know you've given up on for the most part, like

7:42

Google Maps, two years into this

7:45

journey-ish for you, is

7:47

there things that you're thinking, gosh, if I just had

7:49

stock Android on this thing, XYZ would be a

7:51

little easier? Hmm, that's a great

7:54

question because I've been doing this for

7:56

so long, I think I don't realize

7:58

what I'm missing out on. So

8:02

I'm going to go with, no,

8:04

I'm pretty darn happy. I feel like a graphene,

8:08

excuse me, a graphene OS is

8:10

really just giving me a bunch more

8:13

over vanilla Android. That's how I feel

8:15

pretty much every single day. So I don't really feel like I'm

8:18

missing out. What about you, Mr. Crusher? I've

8:20

been thinking about this and I

8:23

think there are some things where

8:25

graphene feels like just

8:28

a little too locked down or

8:30

I would like a few more

8:32

escape hatches. I think you've

8:34

made some decisions in particular with your fancy

8:36

dancy watch over there that maybe help with

8:38

this. But like I

8:41

was pretty used to stock Android as a lot of

8:43

options around like location unlock or you know, like various

8:45

things to make it so you just don't have to

8:47

constantly unlock your phone. I miss that.

8:50

And there probably are some more options from you done, but just looking

8:52

around the settings, I haven't found anything super easy, which I could be

8:54

missing. I haven't tried super hard. But I'm

8:56

reflecting on that like that or

8:58

I've tried some things, but I

9:01

was never super happy with the Google Assistant,

9:03

but having a little better default be

9:06

able to just yell at my phone to like pause

9:08

the music or something that is nice. That would be

9:10

nice. I miss that. I have solved

9:12

for that particular. I have playback controls on the watch.

9:14

Right. But I do feel what you're saying there a

9:16

little bit because I think for me, this would be

9:18

a lot harder if I couldn't use the cash app.

9:20

But I know you haven't been able to use the

9:22

cash app because of like Play

9:25

Protect APIs. Yeah, which I guess they just weren't

9:27

using when I installed the cash app like a

9:29

month before you did. Strange.

9:32

And you know, my kids use the cash app. So that's

9:34

how I yeah. Right. So it would be for

9:36

me would be really, really hard. And I know

9:38

Android users kind of laugh at this, but I miss

9:41

Face ID. Face ID is

9:43

really nice because you just pick up your phone and

9:45

look at it and it unlocks. I mean, it's

9:47

so surprising. They've never bothered to. Yeah. Is

9:50

it just a patent issue? Maybe I suppose. But

9:53

I mean, Microsoft has their pillow thing, right? So

9:55

I thought this year would be

9:57

the hardest year to be on Graphene OS because all.

10:00

of the AI stuff that's coming out. Like if there

10:02

was any, if these companies

10:04

had managed to launch any killer, killer

10:06

AI feature, I would have felt left

10:08

out because that's going to be built

10:10

into their proprietary apps and

10:12

we don't have access to that. But

10:16

there's not really anything that they've announced that I'm

10:18

like, oh, I have to have that. And

10:20

things like image generation or text

10:23

prompt summary, I can do that with any of

10:25

them. I don't need one built into the OS.

10:27

Right. Yeah, we can get pretty

10:29

far with all the cart stuff. And Graphene makes

10:32

me appreciate those tools that let you just use

10:34

it wherever. I think one of the things I

10:36

also have really appreciated is that Google's applications are

10:38

at the same level as all other apps on

10:40

the phone. Google's apps have no

10:42

sp- like the Play Store has to ask my permission

10:45

to install an app. It's so refreshing.

10:47

It's nice. And that's how it should

10:49

be. But there's been, for

10:51

me, there were things along the way that just as I

10:53

thought I was going to have to bail and go back

10:55

to iOS, Graphene OS

10:57

sort of perfectly solved or the ecosystem around

11:00

it. And I'll admit Android

11:02

Auto on Graphene OS was a big one

11:04

for me. I really like having

11:06

Android Auto. And Blue

11:08

Bubbles, so I could communicate with family members

11:10

on iMessage, was a game changer for me.

11:14

And DavX 5, that lets me sync

11:16

my card and CalDAV and all that stuff

11:18

to Next Cloud, was massive.

11:20

And then things

11:23

like replacing FindBy are kind of

11:25

solved by Home Assistant. Because

11:27

Home Assistant has a bunch of location stuff. And then

11:29

like Wes said, tap to pay

11:32

and playback controls remotely were solved

11:34

by getting a Garmin Forerunner 265

11:36

smartwatch, which

11:39

has been great. And

11:41

that kind of filled out the ecosystem. And

11:44

sort of at each point was like, oh,

11:47

oh, I've just solved this just in time. And

11:49

then of course, all credit to Brent for really bringing up Obtanium

11:52

on the show. No kidding. Took you guys

11:54

months to jump on that train. Yeah,

11:58

because I thought Afteride was. You know, I was

12:00

like because part of this

12:03

whole catalyst was Apple's

12:06

stupid behavior around their app store

12:08

combined with Google being super creepy

12:10

and Narke on a dad

12:13

who was doing telemedicine and you

12:15

combine those two things. I'm like, I don't want

12:17

any of this and Obtanium

12:19

is Truly

12:22

the tool that lets me have a completely

12:25

app store a countless app

12:27

management system I just add

12:29

the release page on github for the apps that I

12:32

use and Obtanium

12:34

just watches for updates. That is a great

12:36

point. I mean, there's lots of other reasons

12:38

I appreciate it But just thinking no account

12:40

no account Compared

12:42

to like what how hard and frustrated it

12:44

is to use an Apple device if you

12:46

don't sign in to their account system Mm-hmm

12:48

radically different. Yeah, and f

12:50

droids great But not everything's there

12:53

and sometimes just like a week long like

12:55

a four or five six seven day leg

12:58

before it shows up on F-troid, but

13:00

you know where it shows up instantly the

13:03

github release page It's kind of similar in a

13:05

way to like traditional repos and flat packs, right?

13:07

Like for some apps you want that direct connection

13:09

they update frequently you want them or they don't

13:11

work in the market for whatever You're in the

13:13

app store and sometimes you're fine letting your distro

13:16

package maintainer get to it eventually and get it

13:18

in your Some apps it just doesn't matter. They

13:20

don't update that much. Who cares you got it

13:23

So Obtanium really was sort of like one of those.

13:25

Ah This is my

13:27

device this is and then I also still use

13:30

after I to of course But I

13:32

really obtaining. I'm so great. So Brent

13:34

was right. I was right for

13:36

once I've

13:39

also been searching for something that will just scan

13:41

documents and give me a PDF and there's like

13:43

scan bot and all these other things It just

13:45

do all this other crap and they're all trying

13:47

to inject AI Watch

13:50

an ad then you can save your PDF. Mm-hmm So

13:53

I came across OSS document

13:55

scanner and it's just a

13:57

bare bones. It tries to detect the shape of

14:00

of the paper you're taking a picture of, and

14:02

then it gives you some filter options, and then you can

14:04

export it as a PDF. It's

14:07

OSS Document Scanner. And it's

14:09

just one of those things. In fact, there's

14:11

a lot of tools like this. There's a simple mobile

14:13

tools shop that makes things like simple calendar and other

14:16

apps that are just really basic, no

14:18

account required, open source apps to do a

14:21

job. And these things like

14:23

that, they don't exist on iOS. I have a

14:25

little tip for you on this one. So I've been

14:27

using these simple tools for a while, but I

14:29

think they have

14:31

been recently replaced by, or

14:34

forked by a different

14:36

project who's taking on this role. So

14:38

looking for Fosify, which is basically the

14:40

same tools, but just

14:43

a new

14:45

owner or a new project. Simple

14:48

mobile tools has a new owner. But

14:50

it's been working great. Like simple calendar,

14:52

what's fantastic about it is I use

14:55

Davx 5 to sync

14:57

to Next Cloud, and then I use simple calendar

14:59

to manage my calendar. And everything I change in

15:01

there syncs to Next Cloud. Very nice. It's wonderful.

15:04

I know you boys also are a big fan of

15:06

the Fudo keyboard, FUTO keyboard. Yeah, although I don't know

15:08

if it's just me. It

15:10

feels like lately it's been a little worse.

15:12

Really? I don't know. Like, it could just

15:15

be me. But the- Where's how? Just in

15:17

its keyboard-ness? I don't know. In the autocomplete,

15:19

the text prediction? I

15:22

think it does train itself on your texting over time.

15:25

You need to be tapping the correct suggestions in

15:27

order to train it. Yeah, maybe I've just been

15:29

paying more attention. I thought it was definitely a

15:31

painful first week switching to it. I

15:34

thought that I'd gotten pretty used to it, but looking

15:36

more closely at it, I'm just like, it's

15:39

frequently changing words that I

15:41

do not need it to change. And I don't think the Google

15:43

keyboard does change. I agree. I run into

15:45

more of that. I am very happy with

15:47

the- Voice dictation? Yes. It's not perfect, but

15:49

it gets way- And it's on device. So

15:52

the combination of the keyboard not being that

15:54

great for me and the on-device dictation being

15:56

pretty solid is I'm doing that a lot

15:58

more. I do, too. Which I

16:00

just have given up. You've probably noticed in some of my

16:02

messages. I've just, like, I don't know why it can't spell

16:04

Linux. And I've just given up. I'm

16:07

not, you know. It's funny when

16:09

it gets a very niche technical term perfectly and

16:11

then messes up another one. Yeah, yeah. But

16:14

still, to have something that's not constantly reporting back

16:16

to Google and is pretty good, I

16:19

like, so I'm keeping it. Fudo

16:21

keyboard, F-U-T-O. And

16:23

then also Streamy Fin, which

16:26

is a Jelly Fin client that

16:28

is really nice and I really like it. And

16:31

then last but not least, to get away

16:33

from YouTube but still get access to YouTube, Tubular. Which

16:36

is a fork of new pipe

16:38

that implements sponsor block and return YouTube dislikes.

16:41

You can see the dislike button again. Yeah.

16:46

I do, it does mean we reflect, besides the cash

16:48

app stuff, none of my other,

16:50

you know, when I started I was kinda worried like with, you know, some

16:53

of my apps kinda support come out from under me

16:55

as I invested in this platform. That does not happen.

16:58

By and large, pretty much anything, besides

17:01

the tap to pay stuff, pretty much anything I need to do,

17:04

the app that I need is there, yeah. Tap to pay

17:06

is nice. I am having

17:09

a weird problem where I can't use my flashlight.

17:11

Oh yeah, really?

17:14

But besides that, yeah, I do

17:16

not have that one. Brandon, do you have any flashlight

17:18

problems? No, I just used mine like late last night

17:21

with my, around the fire, so all is

17:23

good here. Camera works otherwise

17:25

just fine. That is strange, that is really strange.

17:27

I did restore this from a previous phone that

17:29

I think was also having that issue, so

17:31

I don't know if it's some like weird app

17:34

permission thing that I've messed up in somewhere between

17:36

the system, permissions and app permissions. I

17:39

should probably try a stock. You wouldn't play with that

17:41

stuff. A stock reinstall, let's see what I got. So

17:44

we're all, all our experiences are based on

17:46

the Pixel 7. And

17:49

the Pixel 7, the non-pro on

17:52

swappa.com is $185 right now. Oh,

17:56

wow. Wow. So you, and

17:58

we're all perfectly happy. with this phone

18:01

and we're not planning to upgrade anytime soon. So

18:04

you can get a perfectly serviceable

18:06

graphing OS phone for

18:08

$185 and the pro is 220

18:11

bucks on Swappa and be

18:13

sure you're getting unlocked you know and

18:16

you know something doesn't have the bootloader locked up but that's

18:19

amazing the fact that the Pixel 7 goes for

18:21

$185 is just bonkers. At that price it feels

18:23

like I should get another one just. I know

18:26

a backup one. Yeah. Yep.

18:28

My major complaint I

18:30

mean it gets a little hot and a little slow I mean I

18:32

would I will eventually upgrade one day probably when the Pixel 10 comes

18:34

out but I

18:37

don't love the sound out

18:39

of it. I don't think it has the best speakers in fact I

18:42

would argue that the iPhone 13 and

18:44

14 and 15 have much much much

18:46

superior speakers than the Pixel 7. Agreed.

18:49

So I picked up the

18:52

Anker sound core motion 300 Bluetooth

18:55

speaker. It's got pretty good

18:57

sound it's got great volume but why

18:59

I'm recommending this is because if you

19:02

install their little app which you don't have to but

19:04

if you install their little app and

19:06

control it over Bluetooth you

19:09

can turn off all on and off sounds

19:11

on the speaker and all

19:13

lights. And this is this is a Chris

19:15

Fisher promise. Yeah. This thing's not gonna just start chirping at

19:17

me all of a sudden. No I use this every night

19:19

this is what I used to listen to an audiobook at

19:21

night and it took me a long time

19:23

to find a Bluetooth speaker that didn't make a chime when

19:25

it turns on or turns off or

19:27

doesn't have like an obnoxious blue light which

19:29

is the opposite what I want at night and

19:32

so the sound core motion 300 by

19:34

Anker lets you use their

19:36

app to turn off that kind of stuff and

19:39

so it's a wonderful audiobook and it also

19:41

is just a great companion with the Pixel

19:43

and the battery lasts forever. I mean I probably use

19:46

it for almost an hour each night or half hour

19:48

45 minutes and I've charged it once and

19:51

let's see when did I buy it I've had it for probably a couple of

19:53

months. So you know Anker makes

19:55

I think Anker bought this company but they make good stuff

19:57

so I bought this speaker on October 18th and I've charged

19:59

I used it twice and today is November

20:01

24th. It's pretty

20:03

good. Consider I use it, I literally use it every single

20:05

night. So yeah, I

20:08

like it a lot and it just solves the

20:10

sound problem. Yeah, I end up with headphones a lot of time for

20:12

the same thing. I do think it's fine, like if I'm just like

20:14

laying in bed and I want the phone next to me playing

20:16

like a audiobook to fall asleep to

20:18

or something. And it's totally serviceable for that, but

20:21

you know, anything where you need quality or for

20:23

like a song that you like, that speaker's definitely

20:25

helpful. Even vocals for me after a while, I

20:27

seem a little harsh on the built-in Pixel speakers.

20:30

Yeah, if they're not EQ'd nicely, especially in the high end,

20:32

that can be rough. Yeah, and there are apps that let

20:34

you re-EQ and stuff and it does help, but it's still

20:36

not as good. It's not, and you know,

20:39

Apple is just really good with sound. But this, I

20:41

really like the Soundcore. So

20:43

this has started

20:45

a trajectory over the last two years

20:47

that has really accelerated and been quite

20:50

documented on the Self-Hosted podcast about just

20:52

really building a self-sovereign stack and

20:54

reducing the cloud footprint, kind of

20:57

getting control over data, what

20:59

people have, what you're using daily, and

21:01

maybe taking a little bit of craftsmanship along

21:04

the way. So not only are you sort

21:06

of taking control back, but you

21:08

really are kind of proud and enjoy what you've built at

21:11

the end of it. It's not just something you've slapped together

21:13

as a cheap alternative. And

21:17

Brent, and he just talked about this on

21:19

the Self-Hosted podcast, recently put

21:21

together a NAS. And it's been something

21:24

he's been planning for a really long time. And

21:26

it is a big part of the step of taking

21:28

stuff off of cloud services and

21:30

bringing it onto his land. So Brent, let's

21:33

start with your motivation here. Why

21:35

put the effort into building a NAS after

21:37

all these years of not having one, or maybe not

21:39

having an official one? Yeah,

21:42

you've always helped me do this, and that question

21:44

never even really came up because I think we

21:46

understand it. But I did get asked this question

21:48

after we built it by a friend

21:50

of ours to like, well, why are you bothering with all

21:53

this work? Like it's so much work. Why would you even

21:55

put yourself through that? And

21:58

I think it comes down to... the

22:00

reason I got into Linux in the first

22:02

place, to be honest, it's like taking control

22:04

of all

22:07

of my information that I find really important. That

22:10

includes like the privacy topic, but

22:13

also just like skill acquisition of things that

22:15

I find interesting, right? So just through building

22:17

this NAS, now I'm playing, you know, with

22:20

Butterfess in ways that I haven't played with

22:22

it before and about to learn

22:24

a bunch of new skills around

22:26

hosting a bunch of different applications

22:29

on the same box. And all

22:32

of that stuff is exactly the reason that I

22:35

can't keep myself away from

22:37

Linux is just learning skill

22:39

acquisition and just curiosity really.

22:42

But the biggest one, because you

22:44

can get some of that through, you know, running

22:46

your own VPS and those kinds of things, but

22:48

the biggest one I think is the

22:51

privacy aspect, you know, VPS,

22:54

you still have to trust somebody. And

22:57

I don't know how I feel about that one. But

23:00

also, I think

23:03

there's an investment portion here, both

23:05

monetary and from a skills

23:08

point of view. Well, okay, monetary makes sense, right?

23:10

Because you're not, you don't have to pay for

23:12

a service that you're renting per month, you're investing

23:15

in relatively fixed costs that you

23:17

keep over time. Okay. But what's the other part? Well,

23:20

I think the other part is one

23:23

with skills, you know, if

23:25

I am continuously

23:27

pushing what

23:31

this box can do, based

23:33

on all the tools that we keep servicing on these shows

23:35

here, then I feel

23:37

like that's a huge investment

23:39

in my own skill sets. We should

23:41

be clear, maybe, though, I don't wonder, because you touched on this

23:44

in the self-hosted episode, that

23:47

you don't necessarily mean like a lot of folks, I think,

23:49

do some of this home lab stuff for work, you know,

23:51

like, I'm going to build this out. And then I can

23:53

talk about it on my resume and talk about the project

23:55

in the interview and all that, which is great. But

23:58

that's not you want these skills. just

24:00

to serve you in your personal life, right? That's

24:03

a good question. I think that

24:05

is true. I think the main

24:07

motivator is my inherent distrust of

24:09

larger corporations and what they're doing

24:11

with our information. I think there's

24:14

more than a couple examples of them

24:16

just doing whatever they want with our information. I

24:19

know we can encrypt things these days, but

24:22

why not take it further? So

24:24

that was my main motivation. I know it comes

24:26

with a bunch of pain

24:29

points. Like for instance, the power went out

24:31

here yesterday, all day, because of all the

24:33

snow. And so there goes my infrastructure. It

24:36

turns out my NAS was down

24:39

because my UPS is also broken. So you

24:41

take on all of these like when things

24:43

go down, it's nobody else's fault but mine,

24:45

right? It's like a different type of risk.

24:47

You have the counterparty risk of a cloud

24:50

provider or you have the risk of just,

24:52

you know, natural infrastructure issues

24:54

in a home. It's so true. They're not

24:56

a data center. Hored soup on what? Yeah.

24:59

But at the same time, and Chris, you'll understand

25:01

this, one of the main

25:03

motivations for me in the last couple of years

25:05

for self-hosting what I can is

25:08

just unreliable internet. I mean, I

25:10

live in the middle of nowhere and that has

25:12

gotten far better now that I have Starlink. But

25:15

it's still, I don't know, I

25:17

guess I've been trained to want to keep everything

25:19

as local as possible. Yeah, it's a huge motivator

25:21

for me too. Yeah. And even then, because when

25:23

your internet connection is up, then there's just less

25:25

traffic on it. So it's, you know, whatever you

25:27

want to use it for. It's unless you're Wes

25:29

and you got a gigabit. Speaking

25:32

of you, Wes, I know

25:34

you've been contemplating setting up a home assistant

25:37

pretty soon. And

25:39

I'm just kind of curious why now? And

25:42

have you read some sort of threshold? Is it

25:44

you're about to start investing in smart stuff? Like

25:47

why is 2024, maybe early 2025, the

25:49

year of home assistant for West Payne? Yeah,

25:51

it's kind of a confluence of factors. I've had home

25:53

assistants before. I think I started, we looked at it

25:55

years and years and years ago on the show. And

25:57

we did a roundup of a couple. of the options

25:59

at that time. And I had a server that lasted

26:02

a few years from that. But I happened

26:04

to move a lot in the last, I

26:06

don't know, decade of my life. So

26:09

that's made me very conscious of what infrastructure and

26:11

stuff I invest in, because I just got to

26:13

drag it with me and each place is different.

26:16

I've also lived in a lot of studio or loft or

26:20

similar situations where it's generally one or two

26:22

big rooms and not a lot of separate

26:24

spaces that need individual attention. So

26:26

it hasn't been hard to change the

26:28

temperature in the one room that I'm in. I turn on

26:30

a couple of lights. But I haven't

26:33

actually moved in the last couple of years. And

26:35

I'm not, I mean, I will move again for

26:38

sure, but I'm not planning an immediate move. And

26:40

I did buy at least some more stuff. And

26:42

I think the project, I've watched your installation over

26:44

the years and I've seen it move really fast

26:46

and change a lot of things. And I've seen

26:49

you have to migrate off old

26:51

versions of plugins and redo dashboards. So

26:54

I've kind of been balancing the amount of things that

26:56

I needed. I very much like

26:58

automation, which the amount of stuff I had to have

27:00

is moving parts to have a functional operation. And

27:03

I think I'm crossing the point now with

27:05

enough stability that it makes sense to invest.

27:08

I feel like we would have a similar conversation if you

27:10

came to me and said, Chris, I think I'm ready to

27:12

become a dad. I'm like, Wes, your life is going to

27:14

change so much for the better. You're not going to believe

27:16

how much better your life is going to be once you

27:19

have a home assistant. It's so

27:21

great, Wes. Well, now I want one.

27:23

Life changing. Life changing great. Because it

27:26

starts small and you're like, oh, that's

27:28

nice. For me, the

27:30

nice thing was is I had

27:32

Lifex, I had Hughes, I had TP

27:35

Link, I had a couple of different vendors. When

27:39

you get to three or four apps, that

27:41

is a pain in the neck. And Home

27:43

Assistant just brought it all together. And that was for

27:46

me. Oh, this is really nice. Now

27:48

it literally runs my home. And it

27:51

is so nice because it adjusts with

27:53

my home. And for the

27:55

time of year. And it just solves

27:57

for things that I don't even have to think about.

28:00

anymore. And it's really, really, really great.

28:02

And then, of course, I have all

28:04

this remote access, even when I'm traveling, I can check in on

28:06

things. And I really love that. So

28:08

Home Assistant is one of those, it

28:10

starts as a baby, and it's like, Oh, yeah, life's

28:12

a little different now. And then by

28:14

the time it's in its teenage years, it has

28:17

completely fundamentally changed your life. And

28:19

I'm really much in this refinement stage

28:21

now, where I'm just kind of

28:23

like adding like, let's see if I can do

28:26

this thing. And it's oh,

28:28

it's so rewarding. Really

28:30

fun, even if you only have a few smart lights, and

28:33

a couple of smart plugs. I

28:35

also think you know, I've just never been a huge

28:37

fan of running appliance things. So I was always a

28:39

little sketched out by that. And

28:41

so now that you can get by with

28:43

some of the next stuff, yeah, I'm, I'm

28:45

more interested as well. Totally. So

28:48

for me, I was like, well,

28:51

I'd like to have this self hosted. I'd like to have

28:53

this self hosted. And I'd like to have this self hosted. And

28:55

it, it really became a journey. Which

29:00

I will put links where I go into a lot of details

29:02

in individual self hosted episodes. And in

29:04

no particular order, but things

29:06

an example of this is I think

29:10

this is all part of a broader mentality of just being

29:12

more capable in general

29:14

and not reliant on third parties.

29:17

And along with this for the last few years, I've

29:19

been very slowly just learning the

29:21

basics of car maintenance. And

29:24

work like that. So I could save

29:26

money, develop a skill set, it seems like maybe there's

29:28

a diminishing skill set in the marketplace. So

29:31

if I could increase my skill set while

29:33

the marketplace is decreasing its overall skill set,

29:36

by the time the marketplace is sort of a crap,

29:38

crap show, you know, maybe I know what I'm doing.

29:41

And so I have deployed and I've talked about

29:43

this in self hosted 127 lube

29:46

logger. And it is

29:48

a self maintenance and cost analysis

29:50

tool that I run

29:53

for my several vehicles and my RV

29:55

to just keep track of maintenance and repairs and

29:58

overall costs of these vehicles and then you can

30:00

generate reports if I ever were to go sell

30:02

one of them. I

30:05

could produce a report of all of the maintenance

30:08

at the miles, the individual costs and all of

30:10

that. Really nice

30:12

little simple app, it's called Lube Blogger, lubeblogger.com.

30:17

And it's in this category that I have

30:19

of something

30:21

I was considering a cloud service for and I

30:24

instead went the direction of self-hosting. Mealy

30:27

is also in this category. I

30:29

talked about this in self-hosted 135, mealie.io. It's

30:34

a self-hosted recipe management. They

30:36

just recently introduced multi-home support and

30:39

they have a very, very good import

30:42

system. So you can just give it a URL of

30:44

a recipe and it'll parse it, it'll

30:47

break everything out individual steps and individual

30:49

ingredients and tags, import imagery if

30:51

there is any. Multi-user,

30:54

of course. And again, it's very simple

30:56

to set up. It's great. This

30:58

time of year, we're about to do Thanksgiving next week.

31:00

We make these things once a year. It's

31:03

nice to be able to look that stuff up. We could have used

31:05

a cloud service. I could have used an app that's on one of

31:07

our phones. But Mealy gives

31:09

you a progressive web app. I just

31:11

created a bookmark on my wife's launcher. I

31:14

think this is one that's added to

31:16

my household, that's for sure. You're going to love it. You're

31:18

going to love it. And it's just so clean. And

31:21

this is an example, oh yeah, I was going to do a cloud service

31:23

for that. And then I've talked about YouTube. I

31:27

don't like constantly providing a lot of data

31:29

to YouTube. I think the YouTube experience is

31:32

on a downward decline. It

31:34

so is. I

31:36

still use the app sometimes. Yeah. Now

31:38

it crashes and loses my history. Oh, the

31:40

rain times, it doesn't, like it seems to always have

31:42

my history except for the one time I want to

31:45

go look at my history and find the video. Right.

31:48

Drives me nuts. The other problem is, because

31:51

YouTube is such a hostile

31:54

platform to creators, there

31:56

are channels that give me guides on something

31:58

that's really slick. I had this channel. It

32:02

was all about working on my particular model of RV.

32:05

And the videos were from 2015. And

32:08

the guys at count either got shut down, or he

32:10

closed his account, or whatever, and all of the videos

32:12

disappeared. Nobody else is,

32:15

because it's a 2014 model, nobody else is making

32:17

those videos anymore. It's a poor archive

32:19

of record, if that's what we're trying to treat it

32:21

as. That's where, we've talked about it once before on

32:23

the show, Pinch Flat comes in. Pinch

32:26

Flat. So

32:28

great. It's a YouTube media manager

32:30

that will save a YouTube channel

32:33

and their videos to

32:35

your local system. And

32:37

it'll grab all their metadata. So it'll create like

32:39

an NFO file, or whatever you need, with

32:42

the description. It'll grab the

32:44

thumbnail. And then you can

32:46

bring that into Jellyfin. And Jellyfin

32:48

will read that NFO file as a media data

32:51

source. And in Jellyfin, they

32:53

look like every other media file, like a

32:55

movie or a TV show, with

32:57

thumbnails, and descriptions, and all

33:00

of the metadata information. And

33:03

you can archive stuff forever that way.

33:06

So any video that's like, this is how I repair this

33:08

thing that I own, or this is how

33:10

I build this thing that I have to build once a year, I

33:13

put that channel into Pinch Flat. And

33:16

every time that YouTuber posts a video, it

33:18

automatically saves it to my system. And

33:21

you can also set parameters

33:23

around length of retention. So

33:25

maybe you want to put a YouTuber in there who posts

33:28

often. Maybe your kids love MrBeast. And

33:30

so you want to let them watch MrBeast, but you don't

33:32

want to give them all of YouTube. Well,

33:34

you could tell Pinch Flat, download every MrBeast video,

33:36

but delete them after 30 days, or delete them

33:38

after 90 days, or whatever you want. It's

33:41

really, really awesome. And I talk about more detail about how

33:43

I use it in self-hosted, 1, 3, 4 for that. It's

33:48

a good app. Yeah, this one's so good that I'm working

33:51

on making a flake for it.

33:53

There's so many more that have

33:55

been great alternatives to cloud services.

33:58

I think it's nice just to try. from the sense too

34:00

that, I mean, you know, some of these cloud services are

34:03

really nice, but there's so many

34:05

talented folks in the open source community,

34:07

and a lot of these apps are kind of just

34:09

like, you need a relatively

34:11

simple database, you need a UI,

34:13

maybe you need an app, or a progressive web

34:16

app or something, and you know, it just needs

34:18

to expose that, and there's a lot of people

34:20

who can do that, and when we

34:22

can highlight them and kind of, you know, build community

34:24

around them and prop them up and help them enable

34:26

them to solve that problem, we're building

34:28

stuff that we can all use. I

34:30

will say, there's one more

34:32

I'm gonna wait to talk about. Oh,

34:35

you sneaky devil. It's a really great

34:37

app, and it is extremely time appropriate

34:39

for this very particular time of year,

34:42

but I'm gonna save it for the pick segment. That's how

34:44

I do. 1password.com/unplug.

34:48

That's the number 1password.com/unplugged.

34:51

I have a question

34:54

for you, and

34:56

I know how you probably are gonna answer, but

34:58

I have to ask, do all of your end

35:00

users, and I mean always without exception, only

35:03

use company-owned devices, applications, cloud

35:05

services, et cetera? I

35:08

don't think so. I mean, in today's

35:10

world, that's like herding cats. They've got their own

35:12

devices, there's every cloud service getting advertised at them.

35:14

Your employees have their own phones, their own

35:17

laptops. They probably even have their

35:19

own voice assistant in their house, which will

35:21

answer their questions. So, how do you keep

35:23

your company's data safe when it's

35:25

sitting on all these unmanaged devices, using all these

35:28

unmanaged apps? And this is your job after all.

35:30

Well, 1password has the answer to

35:33

this question. It's extended access management.

35:35

1password extended access management helps you

35:37

secure every sign-in for every app

35:40

on every device because it solves

35:42

the problems the traditional IAMs and

35:44

MDMs don't touch. It's

35:46

security for the reality. It's security for the

35:48

way we work today, and it's generally available

35:50

with companies that got Okta or Microsoft Entra,

35:53

and if you're a Google Workspace customer, it's

35:55

in beta for you too. This

35:58

would have fundamentally changed. the game for

36:00

me. I could still possibly

36:02

be in IT with tools like this. Reduce

36:05

the friction, make life easier for

36:08

end users and IT. Go to

36:10

1password.com/unplugged. That is the

36:12

number 1 password.com/unplugged.

36:20

Well, I got an email

36:22

this week. An email I have to admit I

36:24

knew was coming, but an email I was not

36:28

looking forward to nonetheless. No,

36:31

no. This is a it's

36:33

a it's a time of transition. Wes,

36:35

it's a time of transition. Here's

36:38

the email from Albee. We're

36:41

reaching out to inform you that the Albee

36:43

shared wallet service will be discontinued on January

36:45

4th, 2025. To continue enjoying permissionless

36:49

and inexpensive payments, it's time to

36:51

transition to your own Albee Hub.

36:54

They've also announced some new limits that are in

36:56

effect until they shut down the service, but yeah,

36:58

that's the big news. The Lightning

37:00

Wallet and a lot more that I've been relying

37:03

on to receive you all's generous boosts is

37:05

going away. And you know, it's not just me using this,

37:07

Brent's using it and a lot of folks use it to

37:10

send the boost on the listener side and myself included.

37:12

And that's a big part of it. Right.

37:15

So in the Lightning world, there's lots

37:17

of ways to actually participate and Fountain

37:20

implements their own implementation. A couple

37:23

of others like True Fans does as well. And

37:26

then many like Podverse and Podcast Attic and

37:28

Podcast Guru and some of the other podcasting

37:30

to the apps, they've been

37:32

using an Albee backend to manage and Albee

37:34

is kind of like a lightning as a

37:36

service. And they are

37:39

transitioning away from this lightning

37:41

as a service to a

37:43

pretty comprehensive self-hostable solution that

37:45

they are calling Albee Hub.

37:48

And they're making this transition in

37:50

early January. And I

37:53

think they put a

37:55

date in here somewhere. It's like the first week

37:57

of January. Yeah, January 4th. Ah, 4th. Thank you.

38:00

And so what they have now introduced

38:03

is something called Albi Hub. And

38:05

Albi Hub is a front end that

38:07

sits in front of a Lightning demon

38:09

and allows you to participate in a

38:11

bunch of different Lightning apps, including podcasting

38:13

2.0 and things like Stacker

38:15

News and the Nostra Network. It

38:18

can also be your own Lightning node. It doesn't

38:20

need a third party one. Oh, okay. So

38:23

that's actually, I think, the default configuration. There's a

38:25

toolkit out there called the Lightning Development Kit, written

38:28

in Rust, I believe. Oh,

38:31

really? Yeah, they're using, it's mostly a Go app

38:33

on the back end, but I think they might be

38:35

using the C API, I'm not sure, to implement

38:37

their own node. I think that's what you get out

38:39

of the gate, but yeah, it does support LND,

38:41

which is a very popular back end node, as well

38:43

as PhoenixD and a few other ones you can

38:45

find, which makes it even easier because you don't have

38:48

to deal with actually running the

38:50

node. Albi can be a one stop shop

38:52

or it can be a bridge from your

38:54

existing Lightning infrastructure to the Albi world. Yeah,

38:56

and it's nice because it still works with

38:58

the existing Albi extension, so

39:00

it has web support for web Lightning apps. And

39:02

then they've also released the Albi Go mobile app,

39:04

which will connect to your node and let you

39:06

do mobile payments in a

39:08

really simple setup. So there's

39:10

a lot of ways, Wes, to do Albi Hub.

39:13

And I think the big barrier, though, is you

39:16

do need a system that is online to run

39:18

it. To solve

39:20

for that, they've introduced Albi Hub Cloud, which

39:22

is like 10,000 sats a month to

39:26

run Albi Cloud. Yeah, I think

39:28

it's like a steep

39:30

discount for the first three months and then maybe

39:32

it's like 20 something sats a month after like

39:34

the first few months. Yeah.

39:36

If you were doing, I think it's the kind of thing

39:38

where if you're just doing it for casual boosting, maybe

39:41

it's a lot for your use case.

39:43

If you're using it where you're sending a

39:45

fair amount of stuff, it's a very reasonable rate.

39:48

All right, so with this context, the reason why we want to talk about this is because this is sort

39:50

of under the umbrella of self sovereign

39:53

setups. And a lot of people out

39:55

there have been using Albi to support the show directly. And

39:58

you've been looking at ways of hosting Albi Hub. it

44:00

is kind of a pain to get over

44:02

the learning curve and get, you know, figure

44:05

out the right set of things that you need

44:07

to get onboarded after that.

44:10

It's really nice. And like, I think we've all

44:12

had had these experiences of like, you just happen

44:14

to be randomly paying for something with lightning. And

44:17

it's so much faster and smoother than a lot

44:19

of traditional methods. Yeah. And

44:21

the fact that you can have key based identities that

44:23

you can connect to these apps and then you can

44:26

set budgets for all these

44:28

different various apps that you can connect to and

44:30

all of that is really nice. And

44:32

I, I feel like Linux

44:35

users have a

44:37

bit of a blind spot here because it's not Linux, but

44:40

it is free software and it is

44:42

being developed at a feverish pace. It's

44:45

that kind of special phase where a

44:48

lot of extremely talented developers are

44:51

all very much focused on this

44:53

problem. And they're putting 100% of their effort

44:55

and energy into

44:57

this and you're going from

44:59

zero to 100 in

45:02

a quarter. And then within

45:04

four quarters, this thing's fully feature rich,

45:06

right? Albie Hub started as a project

45:08

like a year ago and

45:11

now it's like a comprehensive piece of

45:13

software that is a genuine contribution to

45:15

the free software landscape. And

45:18

it's only a year old. It's not even that they're

45:20

moving so fast and they're just

45:23

one of many developers like the

45:25

Breeze folks. Yeah. They're doing unbelievable

45:27

stuff with like backend services, SDKs

45:29

for developers. It's on

45:31

fire right now. And

45:33

so it is a great time to start looking into it

45:35

and we'll have links to get you started in the show

45:37

notes. Chris, I wondered if we

45:39

wanted to talk about how we're using it because

45:42

I think we're actually doing something kind of novel

45:44

and interesting here. One of

45:46

the great things that Albie Hub supports is

45:48

the Albie Jim mode and

45:50

Albie Jim lets you set up sub

45:53

wallets and accounts. So once you get

45:55

your note online, you could

45:57

make an account for your kid, for your spouse,

45:59

for your friend. for a business partner and

46:02

they don't have to manage any of the node stuff. They

46:05

have their own private stash. I can't access any

46:07

of it but they get to take

46:09

advantage of the liquidity of my node, of the

46:11

channels that I've established. And when

46:13

we say liquidity what we mean is

46:15

there's channels open between these peer-to-peer lightning

46:17

nodes and there are stats that are

46:20

dedicated to those channels to guarantee funds

46:22

can transfer. And so that's what

46:24

when we say liquidity that's what we're talking about. And

46:26

it's one of the things that people find slightly

46:29

tricky with lightning nodes depending on your setup. And

46:31

so with the Albie Jim mode, Brent

46:34

gets all the advantages of a lightning node. It's the

46:36

same thing we did for PJ to get him up

46:38

here for the Meshtastic episode as I set him up

46:40

an Albie Jim sub account on my node. And

46:43

then he's taking advantage of my liquidity, my

46:45

online node that's online all the time. He compares his own

46:48

app to it. He gets his own identity. He can connect

46:50

to his own applications with his own cryptographic

46:52

ID. It's really great. I like that

46:54

because I think as

46:58

Linux folk we're used to often playing IT

47:00

roles and I think in the self-hosting space,

47:02

many times we're offering the services we stand

47:04

up for ourselves to friends and

47:06

family and this can be another way to

47:09

do that. You could also see maybe a

47:11

project like I'm a free software project and

47:13

we want to get supported with Boos or

47:15

Zaps. So the project

47:17

creates an Albie Hub cloud account

47:20

and the project just runs it on Albie Hub cloud

47:22

so no one particular computer has to run it. And

47:25

the way the Albie Hub cloud works is

47:27

it is encrypted to your security key. So

47:30

it's an encrypted VM that you have to provide

47:32

the key to to unlock and start. Albie

47:35

cannot start and stop it. I think they

47:37

could probably stop it but they cannot start and access

47:39

it without your master key. You provide the master key

47:41

and the VM starts on Albie Hub cloud. So

47:44

you could have say Neovim

47:47

or whatever that sets up this

47:49

account and then everybody on the project that

47:51

is a serious contributor that's a primary contributor

47:54

gets an Albie Jim sub account and they

47:56

all get splits and then when you zap

47:58

Neovim or when you boost Neovim, everybody

48:01

in the project gets supported, including you could have

48:03

a split in there for the main project itself.

48:06

Totally. And it would just

48:08

be one node to manage. I mean, it's

48:10

really powerful. And it's all, you

48:12

know, stuff that nerds are going to love to

48:14

play around with. I've had

48:16

a lot of fun, and it's been super impressive to watch

48:18

it go. And I hope one day we will see

48:20

a free software project try that kind of thing. On

48:23

the opposite end of the spectrum, just as

48:25

a quick final note here, I do want

48:27

to point out, Albie Hub is great. People

48:29

should check it out. If you do already

48:31

run Lightning Infrastructure, you can connect the Albie

48:33

extension to your node without Hub. Supports

48:36

LND, there's Core Lightning support if you have

48:38

the right plugins enabled, or if your wallet

48:40

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48:42

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48:45

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show directly. Welcome

50:12

to the Boost section. Wes, you seem to have pulled things

50:14

in, thank you very much. Thanks

50:16

to everyone who sent in Boost this week as well. Chris,

50:19

you want to take it off with our ballers? And

50:24

now it is time for the Boost.

50:26

Now look at this, Brentley, don't we

50:28

have a lovely batch of Boosts? And

50:31

our first baller Boost comes from Turd

50:33

Ferguson with 100,000 sats. Turd

50:37

Ferguson! Hey,

50:39

Rich Luster! Hello

50:44

Mr. Ferguson, he writes, hey

50:46

gents, have you seen turboscribe.ai?

50:49

I'd love to see more podcasts with transcripts.

50:52

Transcripts are great, I don't think

50:54

I have seen turboscribe. We agree

50:56

with you on the transcripts. So

51:00

I think I heard the pod father talking

51:02

about turboscribe, or somebody was talking about, I

51:04

guess it's like the name says, it's a

51:06

very, very fast way to transcribe your

51:09

podcast. I guess like an hour long podcast,

51:12

you'll get it in seconds. I do like seconds. And

51:15

I think they might have an API just looking

51:17

at their website, you know, it might be something

51:19

worth looking at. Yeah, that's always the trick with

51:21

these things. I've seen a lot of nice looking

51:23

services with fancy UIs and then like there's nothing

51:25

for the automation side. I don't want to upload

51:27

mp3s by hand. I would

51:29

love to know what people out

51:32

there would use the transcripts for, if you want

51:34

to boost in and tell us because it's something

51:36

we're thinking about. Square

51:38

triangle boost in with $41,616. I

51:43

hoard that with your kind covenant.

51:45

I laughed so hard after hearing

51:48

that apparently I'm the third in

51:50

the most sats streamed leaderboard. Nice.

51:54

I started using slackware Linux in

51:56

1997 and dual booting into windows

51:58

to download software package. and browse

52:00

internet because AC 97 soft

52:02

mode. Oh man,

52:04

that was a pain. Currently

52:06

I'm having a bit of an identity crisis while

52:09

using Windows 10 and 11 for the last five

52:11

years due to a work requirement. This

52:14

is a square triangular number boost,

52:16

not a post code boost. Oh

52:19

neat. Okay. Analysis mode password

52:21

80085. All

52:23

right, good to know. The identity

52:25

crisis while using Windows can be understandable because

52:28

there's things about Windows that, you

52:30

know, they're kind of nice. But

52:32

I ultimately always end up missing Linux

52:34

quite a bit. But what

52:37

I would do in your situation is just embrace Windows at

52:39

work and then you go home. It's like Linux, it's like

52:41

a vacation from work, you know. I

52:43

know a lot of people I've heard from in the audience like, yeah, I got

52:46

a Mac at home because I just want to do IT. I do IT during

52:48

the day. I say flip that script, Linux

52:50

box at home. Here's a little

52:52

quiz for you. Okay. Do you know what a square triangular

52:54

number is? It's a math thing.

52:57

Well, yeah, it's a number which is both

52:59

a triangular number and a square number.

53:01

Aha, as the name implies. That's right. That's

53:04

good to know. Thank you. Appreciate

53:06

the boost there, squared triangle. Oh, you see what

53:08

he did there. Now, a

53:10

triangular number counts objects arranged in

53:12

an equilateral triangle. You know, you got

53:15

like things, you put them in a triangle shape, how

53:17

many you're going to get? I guess that's a triangle number if

53:19

it fits into that. And a squared number is

53:21

an integer that is the square of an integer. Well,

53:24

there you go. Well, you can get both those

53:26

things at once and 41616 is one of them.

53:31

I feel like postcodes are easier. We

53:35

have a boost here from Gene Bean, 2,674 SATs across two boosts.

53:40

Oh, this is Cajun Spies. Regarding

53:42

a meetup in the Atlanta area, which

53:45

part of Atlanta going from one side to

53:47

the other takes a while. If not the

53:50

west side or near it, I'd consider also

53:52

setting up one if there's interest. So that

53:54

might be two Atlanta meetups. So

53:57

Gene Bean's from the west side. Is that what I'm to

53:59

take from that? I think it is. Okay.

54:02

Thank you. We're going to have to probably,

54:06

like after our predictions episode, start getting really serious about the

54:08

media stuff. So I think that's the plan. Thank you though.

54:11

Everybody keep sending in your, because we'll scrape these when

54:13

time comes and put a list together. Now,

54:16

Gene sent a second boost here, just

54:18

dropping a quick note to confirm streaming

54:21

stats and boosting to the bootleg feed

54:23

works via podcast guru. Thank

54:27

you for the check-in. Appreciate that. Thank

54:29

you, GB. Tomato comes in. Oh, we

54:32

missed a live boost, which is now in

54:34

the report, but didn't quite make it. Okay,

54:36

go for it. User 7532 blah, blah, blah

54:39

sends in granddaddy ducks 22,222 sets to say

54:41

quack, quack. Things

54:45

are looking up for all the duck.

54:47

Thank you. Appreciate it. That's

54:50

nice. I love me a live boost. Now,

54:52

Tomato comes in with a Jar Jar boost. That's 5,000 sets.

54:54

You're so boost. If Chris is interested

54:57

in a RISC-V server, check

54:59

out the Banana Pi F3. It's

55:02

a decent little machine with EMMC and

55:04

an M.2 slot for storage expansion, a

55:06

nice metal enclosure and fedora

55:09

support. You

55:11

know what? I've heard of the Banana Pi 3. I just

55:14

didn't think of it. I don't know if I realized it was RISC based. Well,

55:17

that is awesome. The Banana Pi

55:19

3, if you would like yourself a risky

55:23

home server. I kind

55:25

of want it. See what you did there. Right? Because

55:27

that'd be a whole thing, wouldn't it? It's my RISC-V server.

55:31

It's a big RISC. That

55:33

would be the host name, BigRISC. So

55:36

you're getting one. Is that what you're saying? That's what

55:39

I heard. I mean, now I am, I think. I

55:41

think that's probably what's happening. Thank you,

55:43

Tomato. The immunologist boosts in with

55:45

a ROWA ducks. I'm

55:48

an avid open SUSE user and

55:50

I would rather reinstall tumbleweed than

55:52

trying to fix any zipper conflicts.

55:55

Tumbleweed with transactional updates mostly solved

55:57

all those problems for me, though.

56:00

I think listening to Brent fixing zipper

56:02

would just cause me emotional stress. There's

56:05

that That's that's a lizard

56:07

giving us an endorsement for our approach at least

56:09

kind of sorta Yeah, I take that as an

56:11

I take that as a complete endorsement We didn't

56:14

reinstall for tumbly but we did reinstall I

56:17

agree, too I feel like part

56:19

of why I just like bypass package

56:21

issues and repo issues is just Not

56:24

in this house. I have done this enough get

56:26

out of here with that You know same the

56:28

whole reason that I wanted to get off of

56:30

that is Because of the emotional stress that it

56:33

was causing to try to fix zipper. So yeah

56:36

Great boost Thank you

56:39

very much. Mr. Immunologist. Appreciate you.

56:41

Well, watsy boosted in with a

56:43

spaceballs boost So the

56:45

combination is one two three

56:47

four five My

56:49

longest running system was an e

56:52

Smith file share server I created

56:54

in the late 90s for

56:56

my parents business ran it for

56:58

about 10 years never being touched till we sold

57:00

that business I Think

57:03

I might be stumped even Smith

57:05

file server. Okay, Kuzali

57:07

SME server Formerly

57:10

e Smith server and Gateway is a Linux

57:12

distribution based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Maybe it's

57:14

changed over the years But Zali huh?

57:16

No does not ring a bell either initial release

57:18

25 years ago. Yeah 1999 latest

57:22

release December 14th 2022 Huh

57:26

fresh kernel type monolithic Kuzali

57:29

org who knew I that's

57:31

literally the first time I think anybody's ever.

57:34

Thank you watsy That's fun e Smith file

57:36

share server reminds me of the network

57:38

servers. I started back in the day on those

57:40

were quite the trip I mean it is kind of exactly the

57:42

thing right like even 25 years ago Like

57:44

you could stand up a Linux server and it does

57:46

one simple job. I can just keep doing it It

57:48

will too. Yeah, as long as you don't crash it

57:51

with like some sort of weird exploit Cypher

57:53

seeker comes in with five thousand six

57:56

hundred seventy eight cents boy. They are

57:58

doing a lot with Mayo these days

58:00

long time listener a first-time booster right

58:04

on thank you welcome I know it

58:06

can be a bit of a journey

58:08

sometimes looks like you're using pod verse

58:10

too so relevant episode relevant episode

58:12

for you thank you very much life seeker

58:15

reporting in on my first Linux event oh

58:17

great Ohio Linux fest despite

58:19

only making a few talks I really enjoy the

58:21

community aspect and I'm looking forward to attending similar

58:24

events in the future thanks for the great shows

58:27

I've been to Ohio Linux fest once and I still think about

58:29

it I really enjoyed it out there would love

58:31

to make it back yeah I want to go yeah the

58:34

Linux fest season is fast approaching

58:37

right we've got Linux fest coming

58:39

up Northwest scales coming up planet

58:42

nix probably Texas Linux fest I would

58:44

imagine Fostom is on the LEP 600

58:46

day we may have more

58:48

on that later yeah Fostom the

58:50

season is fastly approaching so take your vitamins boys

58:53

we got to be in our game shape I

58:56

think it's gonna be I'm just gonna climb into one of those big

58:58

bubbles yeah we have those new suits too I

59:01

think we'll look sharp yeah it's

59:03

I for secret thank you very much for boosting

59:05

in thank you for listening and appreciate you taking

59:07

that effort hi Brits orgasm

59:09

comes in with 5,000 said you're

59:12

so boost would you mind confirming

59:14

the exact date of LEP 600

59:16

I want to start planning the

59:18

Central Florida live listening party yes

59:22

yeah that would be February 2nd as

59:25

long as we don't miss an episode which have

59:27

we ever I don't know if we've ever

59:29

missed an episode you know

59:31

because even if we were sick when we put together

59:34

something like even

59:36

when I was in the hospital you

59:38

guys still did an episode yeah right

59:41

so probably you know check

59:46

the calendar wait should we miss an episode that

59:48

could be interesting yeah just really throw people off

59:51

yeah when dude remember just like a

59:53

month ago when our

59:55

hosting platform had an issue and we came out like

59:57

late in the day instead of early in the morning

1:02:00

That's a different show. Boosties booties new swag item.

1:02:03

Whoever gets the largest boost total for

1:02:06

the year gets to be

1:02:08

that year's mascot. It's not

1:02:10

fair for me to have all the mascot fun.

1:02:13

Hope to catch you guys alive soon and can't

1:02:15

wait for episode 600. Okay,

1:02:17

so I support this, but I think we're

1:02:19

going to need a list

1:02:21

from the dragon about what the roles are. He's

1:02:23

determined the mascot's duties and roles are, yeah. He

1:02:25

takes on a big role. As the pioneer. He's

1:02:27

one of our lead hype men in the matrix

1:02:30

room. That is true. It's an important

1:02:32

role. I wonder if

1:02:34

there wouldn't be another role like chief

1:02:36

executive producer or something like, but more

1:02:38

fun. Boostmaster? Yeah.

1:02:40

Also, I'll probably have more details. I need to sync

1:02:43

up with hybrid sarcasm, but I think we're going to

1:02:45

have a couple of other prizes for top

1:02:47

winners as well. The

1:02:50

golden drain continues. If anybody has interest

1:02:52

in a Wichita chaos, that's Kansas, right?

1:02:54

Wichita, Kansas area meet up for episode

1:02:56

600. Get in touch as I

1:02:58

have zero experience in that kind of deal, but

1:03:01

it's putting an offer out there. We're

1:03:03

definitely going to have to go back and scrape all these.

1:03:05

We'll make a list and then get some resources together for

1:03:08

people. See that's just big mascot energy all over it. I

1:03:10

love it. Superior

1:03:13

storm. Superposition. I like that.

1:03:16

Superior. Spurrias comes in. Spurrias comes

1:03:18

in. What? Tom. Tom.

1:03:21

Serious superposition. That's pretty funny. Scholar

1:03:24

comes in with eight thousand and eight

1:03:26

sats. I work on I work for

1:03:28

a wholesale distributor in it and

1:03:31

our earpiece software is the backbone of

1:03:33

the operations at all of

1:03:35

the conferences I go to. There's rarely

1:03:37

anything open source available. I'm curious if

1:03:39

any unplugged users have experience with open

1:03:42

earpiece software. Hundreds of thousands

1:03:44

of dollars a year. Just go to

1:03:46

license and support. I would love to see some

1:03:48

of that go to Foss. That

1:03:50

is a great question. You know I don't myself but

1:03:52

it strikes me as maybe the kind of question that

1:03:54

our friend Noah over on the Ask Noah show would

1:03:57

be. I was just going to say that. Have some

1:03:59

thoughts on. I bet our buddy

1:04:01

Noah. I have a tiny bit of insight

1:04:03

here, not a ton. Yeah. OK. There used

1:04:05

to be something called open source ERP, which

1:04:07

is exactly what you're looking for, that recently

1:04:10

got changed to be called Odoo. And

1:04:13

we do use Odoo at Next Cloud. I

1:04:15

don't use it personally, but it's

1:04:17

something you might look into. Very nice.

1:04:21

Chatty Mike Boosin with double

1:04:23

rows of ducks. Affleck! Appreciate

1:04:26

the thoughtful answer about Nix, and I will

1:04:28

try it again when I have some time.

1:04:30

I'm currently running Ubuntu Server, and

1:04:32

I'm looking at trying out Next Cloud on

1:04:34

tail scale. How would you run it? What

1:04:37

about Snap versus the all-in-one image?

1:04:40

Hmm. I mean, I think this is really a

1:04:42

brand question. Yeah, I'll let Brent answer the Snap

1:04:44

versus all-in-one image. I'll answer the

1:04:46

tail scale part. You'll

1:04:48

run it great. So my

1:04:50

Next Cloud is only available on my

1:04:53

tail scale, and I

1:04:55

love it. And what I've done, not

1:04:57

sure I recommend it, but what I've

1:04:59

done is I've registered a public DNS

1:05:01

address that points at the tail scale

1:05:03

address for my Next Cloud Server. So

1:05:06

if I'm on a machine that is connected to

1:05:08

my tail net, which is all of them,

1:05:11

I can just go to blah, blah, blah.com, and

1:05:14

it pulls up my Next Cloud server over

1:05:16

my tail net. It's so

1:05:18

wonderful. And there are ways to solve

1:05:20

this using internal DNS only on your tail net.

1:05:23

I mean, you could spin up a pie hole

1:05:25

on tail net and make it a DNS server

1:05:27

of your tail net and then resolve all of

1:05:29

the stuff that way if you want. You could

1:05:31

use magic DNS built into tail scale if you

1:05:33

want to. I like having

1:05:35

a public DNS for a lot of

1:05:37

these things, and I just

1:05:39

point it. And that's what my Next Cloud

1:05:42

is configured to use as its domain. And

1:05:44

I have it set up

1:05:46

in front of Nginx that proxies that. And

1:05:48

it just works fantastic. Worth

1:05:50

saying you can depend on how fancy you want to get.

1:05:52

You can do both too. You can have internal DNS and

1:05:54

still have the public ones. I do, and it does work.

1:05:57

Brantley, what do you think, though, about the all-in-one image

1:05:59

version? versus the Snap? Yeah,

1:06:02

I think that becomes a personal preference. I think

1:06:04

I will give a little bit of information there,

1:06:06

and I can speak a little bit to what

1:06:08

I have experience with personally. So

1:06:11

for the all-in-one that is

1:06:13

officially the install method that

1:06:15

Next Cloud calls official, so

1:06:17

there's something to that. And

1:06:20

it includes a whole bunch of niceties, like

1:06:22

backups using Borg

1:06:25

Backup and a whole

1:06:27

bunch of pre-configured add-ons

1:06:29

and things that just work out of the

1:06:32

box because it's fully upstream.

1:06:35

That said, there are a bunch of projects that

1:06:37

are doing similar

1:06:40

bundling, but with their own particular

1:06:42

opinion about how this should happen.

1:06:45

Next Cloud Py project is one that

1:06:47

strikes me there. So you might look

1:06:50

into that project as well, just to

1:06:52

see how they configure everything. Maybe

1:06:54

it's more doing it in a

1:06:56

way that you appreciate more. So I would compare them

1:06:58

side by side. That said, you

1:07:01

asked specifically about Snaps versus

1:07:03

the all-in-one. And the Snap

1:07:05

project around Next Cloud has

1:07:07

been doing a pretty great job. It's the

1:07:10

one I started with many years ago, and

1:07:13

I'm still running. And I can definitely

1:07:15

say that it's been great

1:07:17

between upgrades. I've never had downtime

1:07:19

because of the Snap upgrade itself.

1:07:22

So that's always good to see.

1:07:24

The team there is vetting those

1:07:26

updates. So they do lag behind.

1:07:29

But there's- But maybe that's what you want if you want to-

1:07:32

Exactly. Unattentive install. Especially when you get really serious

1:07:34

with your Next Cloud usage, you're OK with a

1:07:36

little bit- It's an appliance. You need it online.

1:07:39

I am curious, Brent, I guess the operational side.

1:07:41

With the all-in-one, you're going to be doing the

1:07:43

Docker stuff, right? But I assume on the Snap,

1:07:45

there's ways to run the OCC command and whatever

1:07:47

other things you need to do internally if you have to. Yeah,

1:07:50

the Snap documentation for the Next Cloud

1:07:52

Snap project is pretty good. So if

1:07:54

you need to run OCC commands, I

1:07:56

know I certainly did when I was

1:07:58

setting things up. It's

1:08:00

all documented actually pretty well. And there's

1:08:03

a fairly large community around it. So

1:08:05

you will not run into something that

1:08:07

someone else hasn't already ran into. Uh,

1:08:10

that said again, I haven't really had to troubleshoot it.

1:08:12

That's why I've been on it for so many years.

1:08:14

It's just kind of works. That

1:08:17

said, it is in my experience,

1:08:20

a little slow. If you're using the

1:08:22

web app for

1:08:24

the snap project specifically, I know

1:08:27

we've been toying with running Next Cloud

1:08:29

on Nix and that's been way

1:08:32

snappier. Uh, see what I did there.

1:08:34

But, uh, so that's a consideration as well.

1:08:36

I think just run a couple of

1:08:39

these, try them out before you make a decision and

1:08:41

see what you like and please also report back. We'd

1:08:43

love to hear what you choose. I

1:08:45

agree. Great. It's just, why not play around and blow them away before

1:08:48

you start seriously using it? It's a great tip. Sage

1:08:50

advice from the Next Cloud Sage. Doug comes

1:08:52

in with 15,818 sats. Superior

1:08:57

ability breeds superior ambition.

1:08:59

Well, the self hosted Bitcoin, the

1:09:01

lightning channels and Albiehub, Ombrol on

1:09:03

a pie for all of it

1:09:06

doing just fine. Nice. No

1:09:08

kidding. Well done on that. That's

1:09:10

a nice example of like, you don't have

1:09:12

to have, you're not trying to be some

1:09:14

major infrastructure routing. I'm like, you don't need a

1:09:17

ton of hardware. And it is a lot of fun stuff to

1:09:19

put together. It says down the

1:09:21

rabbit hole, liquidity pools and channel rebalancing and

1:09:23

streaming sats on Castomatic. Thanks for the ideas,

1:09:25

inspiration and help. Replace the

1:09:27

one in the boost with a nine

1:09:29

for a zip code. Yes. Zip code

1:09:32

is a better deal. Now

1:09:34

question here. There's, there's two

1:09:36

ones. Yeah.

1:09:39

Oh boy. I still think maybe you should switch

1:09:41

to a digital map because for this particular case,

1:09:43

it'd be a lot easier than using the paper

1:09:45

map. I know you really like

1:09:47

your paper. I do. You know, I'm old school. Yeah,

1:09:49

you are. Why do you think I

1:09:52

have this abacus? Doug, really just tip

1:09:54

of the hat to talk about being right

1:09:56

on topic for this episode as well. All

1:09:58

right. I'm guessing that Doug. is

1:10:00

in Land Park

1:10:02

area of Sacramento, California.

1:10:05

Whoa, down in Sacramento.

1:10:07

Yeah, or possibly Rooma, Saudi Arabia.

1:10:09

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

1:10:12

ha ha. If I

1:10:14

do the other nine. So

1:10:16

it's probably not that one. It's a bit of a difference, Wes.

1:10:20

Okay, either way, we appreciate the

1:10:22

boost. Thank you very much. Sssssssssssss.

1:10:24

Ha ha ha ha. That's

1:10:26

that stacker seven boost in with 2,100 sets.

1:10:32

Just want to report back that I am

1:10:34

very happily sending stats from myself, hosted Albie

1:10:36

Hub. Well done. Lucky

1:10:38

all way ahead of us. Way ahead of us.

1:10:40

The episode didn't even finish yet. That

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is impressive. Thanks that

1:10:44

stacker. Appreciate the boost. You're

1:10:47

more like set center to me. Hey-oh. We

1:10:49

have a boost here from the Mad Lunatic 6,382

1:10:52

Satoshi's. All

1:10:55

systems are functional. Just another

1:10:58

long time listener since 2009 and

1:11:00

first time booster. Hey,

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wow, 2009's no joke at all. Thank

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you for taking the effort and the time to get your

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boosting set up. They say thanks for

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keeping me company over the years during my daily

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commute. Also,

1:11:15

they sent from the podcast index,

1:11:17

so they probably got Albie

1:11:19

Hub up and going. Right? Wow, Mad

1:11:21

Lunatic, well done. Going the self-hosted route too

1:11:24

right out of the gate. Very

1:11:26

impressive. Thank you for the boost

1:11:28

and thanks for checking in. Since listening since 2009, I'm

1:11:31

really glad to hear from you. MrNick86

1:11:33

comes in with guess what

1:11:35

boys? It's a row of adorable ducks.

1:11:38

Friends, I have a dilemma.

1:11:41

I'm gonna be building a new server for my home, but I can't

1:11:43

decide what OS I want to put on there. The

1:11:45

server will need to be able to run VMs. I

1:11:47

do IT consulting and I need to be able to

1:11:49

archive the VM when I'm done. I

1:11:52

wanna run Home Assistant and some flavor

1:11:54

of some local llama AI instance. Wanna

1:11:56

put Albie Hub on there. Backups for

1:11:58

my household Mac. Next Cloud and

1:12:00

all of the trimmings, maybe even a

1:12:03

Bitcoin node, and still have

1:12:05

enough overhead to tinker. So

1:12:07

I can't decide. Is this a

1:12:09

Trunaz scale? Maybe Arch and Docker,

1:12:11

Fedora and Podman, QMU on Ubuntu,

1:12:13

should I go Proxmox? Dare

1:12:16

I say even Nix? I just can't

1:12:18

decide. I don't want to do a lot

1:12:20

of work maintained either, but I am willing to do it if

1:12:22

that's what it comes to. The system will

1:12:24

be an Epic Rome based, mostly with

1:12:27

about 50 terabytes of disk storage, plus

1:12:29

about 8 terabytes of NVMe. Maybe

1:12:32

a great chance to try out BcashFS too. Any thoughts?

1:12:35

Cheers. You know, I think we really gotta need

1:12:37

a duplicate system at the studio to properly test

1:12:39

for you. Yeah, right.

1:12:41

Yeah, send it to us. Yeah. You

1:12:44

know, it's tough to advise here not knowing

1:12:46

a little bit more two possible approaches. One

1:12:48

is, you know, if you don't want a

1:12:50

lot of maintenance, what do you already know and are you

1:12:52

comfortable with and choose something that's safely in your wheelhouse so

1:12:55

you can focus on just the things that you're trying to

1:12:57

execute on? Or are there any of

1:12:59

these that you've been wanting to learn, things that, you know,

1:13:01

you hear us talk about or other people or like it's

1:13:03

been on your list that you just haven't gotten time to?

1:13:05

And if so, and you have time, you know, pick one

1:13:07

of those and jump down there, Rabil. Ooh.

1:13:10

The one thing that's jumping out at me on

1:13:12

this list is Home Assistant. Because

1:13:15

with Home Assistant, as I've explained before, you can

1:13:17

do just Home Assistant Core, which

1:13:20

is the essential core Home Assistant application that you

1:13:22

can run as a Docker container. Or

1:13:24

you kind of want to run the whole Home

1:13:27

Assistant OS and they expect to control the entire

1:13:29

machine. So you either run it on physical hardware

1:13:31

or in a dedicated VM. So

1:13:33

and you also said you want to be able to

1:13:35

run VMs and you want to archive VM. So it

1:13:38

sounds like virtualization is going to be a core use

1:13:40

case of this system. So

1:13:42

I don't think anybody would get fired for recommending

1:13:44

that you put Proxmox on the base of this

1:13:46

system and then you could experiment

1:13:48

with Ubuntu, you could experiment with Nix, things like

1:13:50

that. If I were building it

1:13:53

for myself, I think you know the answer. I

1:13:55

would do Nix at the metal and then

1:13:57

I would use Nix to define the VMs

1:13:59

and that would would be an extremely reproducible,

1:14:01

reliable, solid way to run a

1:14:03

system. But it does mean you

1:14:05

have to learn the Nix stuff. The

1:14:08

advantage there is then you can just back up

1:14:10

that Nix config, you could reproduce it pretty easily.

1:14:12

You could also have VMs that are described in

1:14:14

your Nix config, and to create a new VM,

1:14:16

it would just be a matter of copying that,

1:14:19

tweaking a few of the details, rebuilding, and you'd

1:14:21

have an entirely new VM that you could get

1:14:23

going. So there's some aspects of it that are

1:14:25

pretty nice. But if you're

1:14:28

doing this as part of an IT consulting business,

1:14:31

I have a hard time thinking

1:14:34

of a reason why you shouldn't put Proxmox on

1:14:36

the bare metal. And then you take advantage of

1:14:38

VMs inside Proxmox in containers, and then you also

1:14:41

have snapshots and backups and things like that. Another

1:14:43

option could be something like an Ubuntu base or

1:14:45

whatever OS, and then I'll just try

1:14:47

to make your life harder by adding one more tool,

1:14:49

which is LexD, which can be an excellent platform. It's

1:14:52

not quite the whole appliance level that Proxmox is somewhere

1:14:54

in the middle, but if you want somewhere in the

1:14:57

middle, then it can be a nice all-in-one sort of

1:14:59

thing that'll run containers and

1:15:01

VMs for you. And it can do clusters

1:15:03

and all kinds of stuff. And

1:15:05

as far as your drive setup, I

1:15:08

would definitely think that some of your more performance-oriented

1:15:10

VMs could go on the MVMEs. Depending

1:15:14

on when you build this, I might look at BcacheFS

1:15:16

if you have proper backups, because

1:15:18

really, at the end of the day, any file

1:15:20

system is not 100%. If

1:15:23

you were to put extended four on there,

1:15:25

or ZFS, I'd still say you better have backups.

1:15:28

Bcache does have some neat functionality for using the

1:15:31

MVME as cache. I mean, you can do that with lots

1:15:33

of file systems, but they specifically have that. Yeah. And

1:15:36

it's pretty neat. Whatever you do, Mr.

1:15:38

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think you're really gonna like the pic this week. It's

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called Discount Bandit. Wes,

1:17:09

are you familiar with Camel Camel Camel?

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Yeah. The Amazon price tracking website.

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Right, and there's lots of price tracking, like

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Honey is another popular one, right? This

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one, Discount Bandit, is self-hosted. There's a simple

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docker composed to get up and go. Ooh,

1:17:23

see that's what a lot of them are

1:17:25

not. Exactly, and I don't need them knowing

1:17:27

what I'm watching. I don't need

1:17:29

them watching that kind of thing. And

1:17:31

of course, the great thing is that it's more

1:17:33

than just Amazon. I know

1:17:35

it supports Walmart. I think it supports a bunch of

1:17:37

popular online stores. I haven't used it for all of

1:17:39

them, but I know Amazon and Walmart are in

1:17:41

there. And like

1:17:43

I said, let me take a look. I

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will link to the Docker Compose in

1:17:48

the show. Nizzles, 37 lines. Looks

1:17:52

like it spins up a little database, a

1:17:54

little SQLite database, no big deal. And

1:17:57

it also supports Notify, you know, NTFI.

1:17:59

Oh, yeah. Nice and you

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I Just

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