0:00

Well, I made me a little pre -show purchase.

0:02

It's been a while. What'd you get? So

0:04

first router designed for

0:06

OpenWRT has been released. It's

0:09

89 bucks. bucks. Only

0:12

68 bucks if you just want the board which might

0:14

be all we really need, but I got the

0:16

whole kit In there, it's

0:18

got some robust hardware. It's

0:20

got a MediaTek MT798-1B SOC. -1B SoC.

0:23

Dual ports, Oh, excellent. Ones

0:25

2.5 and ones 1 gigabit. one's

0:27

one gigabit. OK. USB-C

0:29

power. Nice. modular expansion options. Don't

0:32

know what that means yet,

0:34

but cool. 10 bucks of

0:36

the purchase goes to OpenWRT's fund. It's

0:39

built to be flashable in a way

0:41

that it should not ever brick. so

0:44

you can experiment with different firmwares,

0:46

updates. and it

0:48

should be safe. Right. I assume this also means

0:50

the hardware was chosen to be well supported so

0:52

it's not like some proprietary kernel that's locked

0:54

to a specific version and. You

0:56

got it? it. And you know, mean,

0:59

I I think it

1:01

could make a nice little studio firewall. and

1:04

I haven't had a proper OpenWRT in a

1:06

long time. And I think

1:08

they worked with the Software Conservancy to

1:10

ship this thing because the SFC

1:14

made a big announcement about it. it. And

1:16

pretty exciting. I think it was just yesterday, so

1:18

it it was like Saturday this came out. OK, well,

1:20

you'll have to report back this could be a

1:22

nice little recommendation for friends family. So

1:27

let's get started. Hello

1:36

friends, welcome back to your weekly Linux talk

1:38

show. name is Chris my name

1:40

is Wes and my name is

1:42

Brent is Wes. And hello is Brent.

1:44

coming up on the show

1:47

today Coming up the today, both the KDE and

1:49

GNOME projects are working on on

1:51

Linux distributions They hope could be

1:53

your daily driver Do we really

1:55

need yet more distros and

1:57

what is the special sauce? going

2:00

to draw you in. We'll take a

2:02

look at that. Plus later on in the show,

2:04

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2:06

think you are gonna love because he's been talking

2:08

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2:10

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3:27

we have some news to get

3:29

into this week, boys. boys. boys. fact, maybe the

3:32

biggest distribution news since

3:34

this podcast has started.

3:36

Whoa. Don't you think? I I

3:38

mean, think about the scale of this. It's

3:40

huge. Well, let's hear it. it. And it's building on trends

3:42

that we have been talking about for a couple

3:44

of years. This

3:47

week we to talk

3:49

about KDE Linux codenamed project banana

3:51

and gnome OS. KDE

3:53

is a new creation, GNOME has been around for

3:55

a while. and it's evolving

3:57

into something they hope can be. your

4:00

daily driver. Now on

4:02

September 7th at Academy 2024, there

4:04

was a talk given by one

4:07

of the co -creators of KDE Neon, and

4:10

they talked about the

4:12

reality of building a

4:14

KDE Linux, an operating

4:16

system of their own. And

4:19

it is now gathering a bit

4:21

of steam. It's got a Wiki,

4:23

they're putting things together, there's some

4:26

early ISOs, Neon remains a

4:28

thing. Um,

4:30

but this is a whole new

4:33

endeavor. based on

4:35

Arch Linux with

4:37

an immutable layer-approached design. You

4:40

might be asking. why not Neon? Why

4:42

not, neon? Well,

4:44

Neon has worked really well as a way for

4:46

people to test and try out KDE, but

4:50

Neon, ironically. suffers

4:53

from using LTS. Yeah,

4:55

of the initial idea, right, was

4:58

we'll have a rock-solid system, let

5:00

the Ubuntu LTS do what they're good at, which

5:02

is making a rock solid system that you can

5:04

just kind of rely on to have hardware support

5:06

and just work where you need it to. And

5:08

then, you know, they could focus on shipping the

5:10

latest KDE software on top. Yeah, Now

5:13

the thing is, as KDE

5:15

moved on and they needed new features

5:17

in the underline operating system to support

5:20

them in Plasma, they ran into issues that

5:22

ironically would break the

5:24

LTS promise. An example they cited in

5:26

the talk. is wire. They

5:29

wanted pipe wire before Ubuntu had pipe wire

5:31

because needed to build plasma with pipe wire

5:33

support. Yeah, I think at least here on

5:35

the show we sympathize with that one. Yeah, the

5:37

other one, the other use case that kind

5:40

of registered with me. is

5:42

they've had hardware vendors approach them saying we

5:44

to ship a plasma desktop. So

5:47

then they say, okay, well. you

5:49

go get OpenSUSE with Plasma, And

5:52

they say, well, we we already have an OpenSUSE laptop.

5:54

We want a plasma laptop. So you can

5:56

go get this KDE Neon. Yeah,

5:58

but it's kind of late the development cycle and you don't have the

6:00

drivers for our laptops and that things. And

6:02

they were really in the spot where they wanted to

6:04

recommend something that hardware vendors could use directly or users.

6:07

Yeah, and it seems like Katie, Neon never

6:09

really got to the point of

6:11

being quite a recommended I mean, you know,

6:13

you can if you want, but like, we're

6:15

really shined was in allowing you to

6:17

test the latest Katie. Yeah,

6:20

and that's what I'm running here. And

6:22

it has been a little brittle. I have to honest broken,

6:24

actually now. So

6:27

it has been brittle. That's right. We were going to

6:29

do something about that last week. Yeah, it's you

6:31

know, it's the package management stuff. It just

6:33

breaks from time to time about well, and a year.

6:35

you know, they also kind of stressed in

6:37

the talk because you run out of you know,

6:39

you need, you end up needing things that aren't

6:41

just package or versions too old in the LTS, you know,

6:43

now suddenly you're having to maintain those. and the

6:45

whole point was to allow someone else to

6:47

do that so you can focus on the KDE

6:49

stuff. So Katie Linux or AKA

6:51

project banana will have three

6:54

target use cases. testing

6:57

edition built from Git master and released

6:59

daily. Enthusiast

7:01

edition which ships software and release to

7:03

users. on upstream Katie

7:06

schedule. That's another problem. is

7:08

There's no distro that really syncs to Katie

7:10

because KDE Schedule's not exactly fit, right are set.

7:14

And then there'll be a be a stable edition which ships

7:16

only the released on a delayed schedule. based

7:19

on a TBD metric. for

7:21

everyone else. So testing, enthusiast

7:23

and stable edition. And And that stables kind of

7:25

new. mean, it's not new to Katie

7:27

distros there, but, you know. from

7:29

the project itself, because I mean maybe there are now when you know,

7:31

once, but at least for a while you kind of

7:33

you just kind of got either

7:35

really, really fresh or really fresh.

7:38

Yeah, and here's the architecture. architecture. Because

7:41

you might might sound familiar to you. It's

7:44

to be based on arch. it's

7:47

going to use immutable

7:50

areas like user other places, is it's going

7:52

to have butter for the file system. It'll

7:55

have a read only base like steam

7:58

OS or for our keynote night. or

8:00

SUSE, Culp or whatever it's called. It'll

8:03

do atomic image based updates, A,

8:05

B functionality. With

8:08

system I believe. System de-boot, yep.

8:11

Apps will be flat pack based, wailing

8:13

by default. I think there's also

8:15

support for confined snips. Okay. Um,

8:18

this sounds a lot like, well,

8:21

you blue, a lot like silver blue,

8:23

or what created, because this

8:25

one here in particular is arch based. Are you

8:27

picking up a trend? Yeah, are you picking up

8:29

a trend because I'm picking up a trend?

8:32

I think this is fascinating. Yeah,

8:34

So system de-sys extent. System

8:36

de-sys extent allows users to

8:38

overlay developer content on top of slash

8:40

user without impacting the base system. So this will

8:42

be a way they'll overlay things on

8:44

top of an immutable slash usr. Yeah, right.

8:47

So you can't actually actually, it's not immutable the

8:49

sense that you can touch the layers,

8:51

but you can do that cool composition

8:53

thing and more layers on top as a

8:55

system extension. So, I

8:57

I mean, the immediate question that comes

8:59

to mind is, why don't I just

9:01

use silver blue? Why don't I

9:03

just use the fedora plasma spin?

9:06

What about Kubuntu? So this

9:08

is their argument. A, A, number one,

9:11

It's distributed directly by KDE, and they argue

9:13

this has several advantages. The chain of

9:16

responsibility is never gated to a third party.

9:19

Like, they talk about how There's

9:21

a weird disconnect where they create

9:23

something. and then everybody else ships it for

9:25

them. KDE KDE-V

9:27

have a direct relationship with

9:29

third parties, like hardware OEMs.

9:33

And they say the last one here

9:35

is KDE explicitly recommend it without quote, favorites.

9:38

from their distro partners. They

9:40

also want to design something that has

9:42

no packaging knowledge required to develop for it.

9:44

I thought that was a really interesting aspect

9:46

of the talk, kind of stressed like, You

9:49

know, packaging for the most part

9:51

is really separate from the actual

9:53

sort of programming. He had a packed

9:55

room. and he asked

9:57

people to raise their hand if they've ever packaged

9:59

software. for for Linux not a single person in the room

10:01

raised their hand. Yeah.

10:04

Yeah. So yeah, there's been some

10:07

focus here on like, well, that's not let's not not deal

10:09

with that. We don't, you know, for shipping whole

10:11

images anyway, we don't strictly need packages it's kind

10:13

of kind of interesting to see. What

10:15

does that actually look like in in

10:18

practice the field? You know it just

10:20

strikes me Wes, something that we've commented on

10:22

the show a couple of years ago

10:24

we have the summer of immutability. been

10:26

discussing on the show that

10:28

immutable layer based distributions are

10:31

clearly a trend that's up and coming. That's

10:34

not it's not us saying that's pretty obvious. But

10:37

I do think the insight that we

10:39

captured that think this plays out is Linux

10:42

growth currently is coming

10:44

from experts. system

10:47

administrators. DevOps

10:49

engineers, people that understand

10:51

containers and composing systems and layers

10:53

of systems. That is the

10:55

audience for Linux. because this

10:57

tooling lets build systems

10:59

without even ever having to worry

11:02

about how to package something. They

11:04

can orchestrate and design, distribute,

11:06

build, and maintain. systems

11:09

the same tooling they maintain their

11:11

infra with and they deploy their

11:13

applications with. And now, All

11:16

of that learned skill over the last few years

11:18

that companies like Red Hat and others have invested a

11:20

ton of resources in getting people up to speed

11:22

on. is being applied

11:24

to building Linux systems. And

11:26

so we are seeing a plethora and

11:28

an explosion. of these

11:30

immutable image based systems because the tooling is

11:33

becoming available to more and more people, and

11:35

arguably, could create a fairly good

11:37

experience. especially for certain

11:40

types of systems. but

11:42

all of these we're to

11:44

talk about Nomos here in second. They're

11:46

all really based on this idea

11:48

that Lenard published back in 2022. in

11:50

2022 about what

11:53

did he call it, West fitting together? and

11:57

the TLDR of Lenard's

11:59

long. post was. hermetically

12:01

seal user. popularize

12:05

image based OSs with

12:08

security properties built around

12:10

immutability, secure boot, TPM2 verification,

12:12

adaptability auto updating the ability for

12:14

users to factory reset and

12:17

some common uniform components like system

12:19

D. Yeah and system has added a

12:21

lot to be able to enable this kind

12:23

of composition, know, because if you are going to.

12:26

You know seal things off things into

12:28

images ship them as units then it you've

12:30

lost how you traditionally were able to extend

12:32

and change the system, right? So like maybe you go

12:34

need to go, you uh, you know, when you're

12:36

doing an update, you would be changing. shipping

12:40

new version of some system file system D file in user

12:42

Now you can say like oh well I can

12:44

use system extensions to just add this new

12:46

version over here in a in way the

12:48

system D understands I want this to override it so

12:51

brightly I'm curious, your thoughts a longtime

12:53

user. You've jumped around from distributions but

12:55

always stuck with plasma. would

12:58

K to E be something you'd consider? and And

13:00

what would it take for you to

13:02

actually seriously use it? it I

13:04

it is something I would consider. I remember when

13:06

I first got into KD. I was thinking, okay,

13:08

what's the most? KDE

13:11

offering there. And

13:14

it was a little confusing to find

13:16

that, I I think as a new user

13:18

back then. I I

13:20

was aware of distributions, but there

13:22

were so many like permutations. you

13:25

this distribution doing all of these different

13:27

desktops and you can have another distribution doing

13:29

the exact same thing. But then those

13:31

experiences were very different. So which one

13:33

was most vanilla KDE really the question I

13:35

was asking myself. And it wasn't always

13:38

easy to answer that question. where

13:41

offering, you know,

13:43

KDE Linux seems pretty straightforward

13:45

it's going to be vanilla KDE

13:47

out of the box. And

13:49

it sounds like This

13:52

would be more end user focused I

13:54

looked, Chris you helped me look at

13:56

neon a little while ago as a

13:58

potential option. And it never really. felt

14:01

appropriate for me because it's focused on

14:03

being a testing distribution. I

14:06

mean, I guess that's what you're discovering now

14:08

things being a little bit broken in front

14:10

of you. But, um, so think this is

14:12

really attractive. And I do think there's

14:14

a user base for it. I wonder though, if

14:17

it might cause issues with

14:19

the relationships they already have with

14:22

other distributions, like if you look

14:24

at Kubuntu, what what that mean

14:26

for a distribution like Kubuntu? Does

14:28

it make that project go

14:30

away? Does it reduce its user

14:32

base? are things I... I'm

14:34

curious about and slightly worried about, too.

14:36

I mean, we've been building these relationships

14:39

for well now, really, if you

14:41

look at some of these software projects.

14:43

So how will that change if this distribution

14:45

really takes off? Uh,

14:47

curious, I was an abused for

14:49

years. um, because especially at

14:51

the time when I started using it, you know, I I

14:53

was familiar. with the, the So

14:56

OS. So could have latest KDAe

14:59

plus a system that I knew how to deal

15:01

with, you know? Um, and mean, we used it

15:03

in the studio and, uh, added

15:05

the fancy audio stuff that we needed. I'm

15:09

curious, I think there's lots of users,

15:11

probably most users you could, you know. who

15:13

don't need to do anything like that with

15:15

a machine, it would be, I would, would be a

15:18

great fit for. I'm curious what my experience would

15:20

be like if I I wanna try to like and

15:22

push and, um, if there'll be guidance for that or

15:24

if it's kind not what they're aiming for. Yeah.

15:27

Yeah. they do say they do a list of things that

15:29

they are not really going to focus on. which

15:32

is, you know, kind of, I of, I'm glad

15:34

they put it out there. Um, yeah. make it

15:36

a front. It sounds like they're not going

15:38

to support runtime installation of kernel modules. Yeah.

15:41

Okay. there you go. go. That might

15:43

limit some use cases, older Nvidia proprietary driver, if

15:45

you have any NVIDIA card that's reasonably

15:47

priced, probably not gonna work. Virtual

15:50

box an example. It requires out of three

15:52

modules, probably not going work. Of course you

15:54

always use QMU and KVM. Any

15:56

kind of vendor specific module you're not going to

15:58

be load with this sucker. So

16:00

it's not every work case, but that's

16:02

less and less, folks. As time goes

16:05

on, it's pretty impressively so. So,

16:07

that's sort of skating to where the puck's going as far as

16:09

I'm concerned. And I I see it limiting some folks, but but.

16:11

as time goes on less and less. One

16:13

thing that really stood out to me

16:15

was the comparison to SteamOS. I I mean,

16:18

I think when we saw SteamOS come

16:20

out, it was like, oh, wow, this is

16:22

actually a very interesting way of bundling

16:24

software for that specific use case. But

16:27

I think we're seeing here how that

16:29

use case is actually really

16:31

attractive. You've said it a couple times you times, just

16:33

want SteamOS so you can run it on your

16:35

desktop. And this? exactly what you've

16:37

been asking for. Well, what do you think

16:39

of this Brent, a metric of success? You

16:42

know, what if a few years

16:44

after this, KDE Linux exists or Project Banana? I

16:46

I they lean the banana thing, I think it's fun. What

16:49

if Valve announced like SteamOS 4 or

16:51

5 is based on KDE Linux?

16:53

You're getting prepped for our predictions

16:55

episode, aren't you? I think a little

16:57

bit about the predictions episode. You

16:59

know, just to me because I think Valve created

17:01

something because they had to. Yeah. And now

17:03

they've invested the time and the infrastructure and it

17:06

just makes sense to maintain that. But

17:08

wonder if the folks at at Valve took of

17:10

a 50 ,000 a 50,000 view at it and said,

17:12

well, if we were to reset the clock. we

17:15

would just go with this and add overlay, our

17:17

stuff on top of it. it and

17:20

you know, let them do all the hard work Because creating

17:22

an operating system is not easy. Might

17:25

as well defer if you can. So

17:27

maybe think would a benchmark of

17:29

success be that Companies like Valve

17:31

or companies start basing off of KDE

17:33

Linux KDE Linux becomes a base

17:35

distro? I think so. I

17:38

am curious, you know. I think it was

17:40

kind of in the talk, too, that Nia was sort

17:42

of also always the ugly stepchild of

17:44

the project because it kind of wasn't superficial or loved

17:46

like, OK, yeah, use it for testing.

17:48

It could be a nice place for that, but.

17:51

This is a whole different sort of like, hey, this we're

17:53

making this thing for you to use, please use

17:55

it. it. How do you feel

17:57

about this being based on Arch all distros?

18:00

You know, I think that gives it, it's assuming how

18:02

they manage it. I think that gives them access to

18:04

a a lot more modern packaging, which is probably one

18:06

of the things they're trying to solve. Again, sort sort

18:08

of like Steam OS. you recall

18:10

the steam runtime. Not

18:12

to draw parallels here, but but the steam runtime

18:14

based on Ubuntu. And

18:16

there it is now, but Steam OS

18:18

now based on arch why They

18:20

needed stuff from upstream. And you know, you it

18:23

here, if this thing isn't gonna allow. kernel

18:26

modules, you know, third kernel modules that are

18:28

proprietary. then you want to be

18:30

as close upstream as possible, and we want to encourage. driver

18:34

to go upstream. And you mean, on it does like

18:36

QA is going to be a major

18:38

part of this effort as well And,

18:40

you know shipping things a a whole

18:43

unit in an image does allow you to QA

18:45

as an image, which is something you don't get.

18:47

in base art, right? You just get everything

18:50

integrated directly with you as updates, but

18:52

the image nature of it really of. of

18:54

You get the availability and all the nice parts of Arch, but

18:56

you can kind of change that part of it. it.

18:59

I will say. it It does seem

19:01

like it's to be a

19:03

lot of work. So I think that that for

19:05

both of these. let's switch to Gnome. Gnome OS. So

19:09

to be left out, developer Adrian

19:12

Volk or Volk. I'm not quite sure how you say

19:14

it. it. Got it. You got a shot of that one? Brent.

19:17

Yeah, Brent, you got a shot for this one? Adrian.

19:21

Vock? I it's a silent V. I'm going

19:23

with the silent V, Adrian Vock. Vock

19:26

has a corresponding proposal for

19:29

the gnome side. and

19:31

he has been really kind of of on

19:33

this for a long time. But

19:36

the talk at Academy did of

19:38

inspire him to make a a post. about

19:40

what he would like to turn Gnome

19:42

OS into, which already exists It's Gnome's

19:44

homegrown for testing and development

19:47

for the GNOME desktop. It

19:49

is meant for a daily driver. It's mostly meant

19:51

to run in boxes. Yeah, right, Hey,

19:53

run this in VM. You can use it

19:55

to like develop test. Yeah, I I mean, I think within the

19:57

last year or two, they added real hardware. So

20:00

can run it on real hardware. and

20:02

is, you know, it is useful

20:04

to have a sort of standard standardized

20:06

testing environment So nice. now what's interesting about

20:08

Adrian in my opinion, is he has

20:10

been building something called carbon OS

20:14

which is is essentially ganoma OS

20:16

by Linard's post Sort

20:19

of the same kind of idea. where

20:21

you compose the system, you it with system D

20:25

you make sure it's secure from top to bottom. to

20:27

make sure user is what did they

20:30

say, hermetically sealed? and And

20:32

so he wants to take over ganoma OS

20:34

turn it into something that could be

20:36

a daily driver. And he has suspended

20:38

working on carbon OS and And

20:41

he's begun work on modernizing ganoma OS when this

20:43

is still quite a ways off. But

20:46

he wants a quote immutable

20:48

distro self with atomic

20:51

rollback built from the metal to

20:53

support an unmodified ganoma desktop.

20:57

And They're

20:59

going to build the entire system. all

21:02

the way up. So both

21:04

Katie and ganoma have their own. operating

21:07

systems essentially And

21:10

it does make me wonder. if

21:13

done well will see adoption will we see other

21:15

based on this But What does

21:17

it also mean for their current distro partners?

21:19

It's good question. There's already kind of, it's

21:21

not necessarily strictly true and you can definitely find

21:23

lots of ways to differentiate, but. I I

21:25

think there's a sense at the high level that like what

21:28

even is the distance between some of these

21:30

things? Oh, Oh, it's kind of like, well what

21:32

are the default choices made for you

21:34

in terms of you know environment and customization and

21:36

that they ship for that desktop environment? Does

21:39

that even, does this further reduce? distro

21:41

differentiation Differentiation? well and or does

21:43

the differentiation come down

21:45

to? ZFS support, you

21:47

know, Ubuntu just added TPM

21:50

of Lux There's

21:52

like so many things that

21:54

maybe you see like right you get

21:56

a bigger fancier distro Maybe you get

21:58

more coverage of those edge cases and can

22:00

play your DRM stuff. You You You your

22:02

codecs. You got your weird esoteric hardware support.

22:06

Maybe? What do you think do you there? Is

22:08

there to be kind of like hinted kind

22:10

of a, we're gonna go from, I

22:13

guess I have two questions for you, Brent.

22:15

Are we going now from the desktop environment wars

22:18

to like sort of wider war to put, know,

22:20

the most hyperbolic spin on it, of course. And

22:23

then my second question. Does it

22:25

kind of take that competition up a

22:27

notch or is this? or

22:29

is this just something we're making up? up? I'm

22:31

not clear. like, I'm like, I don't know how the personality

22:33

conflicts are are to work out, but what are your thoughts?

22:36

Is this gonna notch things up a bit? It's,

22:39

I think the main question that

22:41

I have too, is,

22:45

you know, you change relationships and all of a sudden Nuh

22:48

-uh the trends

22:50

change too, right? right? But

22:52

I did get the sense from

22:54

Harold's talk about KD Linux there was

22:57

a lot of cooperation going

22:59

on between KD and GNOME even, how

23:01

to do this or even Do

23:04

they collaborate on the same base

23:06

OS and just have, you

23:09

know, their individual desktop editions

23:11

on top of it. So

23:13

there's also an opportunity for

23:15

the opposite, which is collaboration get

23:17

something like this done. But to

23:21

on your question a little

23:23

bit is like, yeah, this might

23:25

start new, you know, quote

23:27

unquote wars, if you want to

23:30

keep it. nice dynamic and

23:32

and makes me worried actually a

23:34

little bit because. Okay, okay, is this

23:36

the positive spin? Maybe they

23:38

become a a reference spec of

23:40

sorts, like a reference implementation. Like,

23:44

Like, you know when you're gonna build a whole bunch

23:46

of houses, you a model house? and

23:48

everybody tours the model house and they agree on it and then they

23:50

go out and build all the other houses. Yeah,

23:52

I mean, I guess you will. Here are prominent desktops. here

23:54

are them nicely, or at least in some

23:56

way, integrated with a lot of of components. are

23:58

going to have to do as well, can

24:00

you just lift shift a

24:02

bunch of the system defiles then of of add your your

24:05

stuff on top. OK, so

24:07

I got a a few questions for the audience.

24:10

What do you think of this? boost in and tell

24:12

us your reaction to Katie Lennox to Gonomo S, Which one

24:14

are you installing first? And

24:16

And just our thoughts. your

24:18

thoughts about our thoughts. Like, do you think this

24:20

kicks things up a notch? And also, what

24:22

would be your predictions on how soon you might be

24:24

running something like that? You know, maybe a year,

24:26

what do you think? Boost and let us know. Now,

24:30

I I want to mention the

24:32

are open for voting right now.

24:34

Tuxes dot party. We've had some good

24:36

responses. So far, We got some new categories. The

24:39

number one bit, the number one I see

24:41

outside the JB community people try

24:43

this is They hate that some of the questions

24:45

are mandatory, and the number feedback we

24:47

got from people that are in the

24:49

community is more should be mandatory to not see the results.

24:52

So it's a a bit, it's a bit, you we got

24:54

more categories and more questions in there And

24:57

us December 22nd. It's our last

24:59

two episodes of the year when we'll be

25:01

recording the Tuxes and other things. Five oh nine responses,

25:03

I think we can do better than that.

25:06

Yeah, 509, we can do way better

25:08

than that. Way better than that.

25:10

I should mention on that December 22nd live

25:12

stream. We'll also be blasting sats

25:14

to our live streamers to help them get

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their Albie Hub up or their new podcasting to the

25:18

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25:22

things like that. So December 22nd

25:24

is a great day to make it to

25:26

the livestream. We'll have two shows, including the Tuxes and

25:29

blast some sats. Also,

25:32

Planet Nick's call for papers is still open,

25:34

but it closes in just a few

25:37

days. Oh, December 9th. and

25:39

gosh, it's already December. Yeah,

25:42

that's uh, so, you know.

25:45

eight days away. depending on when you're

25:47

listening to this. But if you've got a

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next story to tell, go submit a

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25:53

excuse to go. and you get to say

25:55

hi to your your boys we go there. So

25:58

in the show notes for that. And

26:00

then then still asking as well, one more

26:02

thing, boost in what

26:04

you think the big meta in Linux this

26:06

year, like the overall Zoom

26:08

way out story. This

26:10

was the year of what in

26:13

Linux? Boost in so that way we

26:15

include your coverage in one of our year episodes and

26:17

I'm I'm of trying to get a a

26:19

feel for what the audience thinks it might be. be. So

26:22

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Well Wes, this week you've been flooding us

28:12

with your excitement about a new DNS thing thing

28:14

you're playing with, but I got a feeling

28:16

it's not Pihole. No, no

28:18

no it's not, and it's not even AdGuard

28:20

Home, although although are are both great offerings

28:22

and I've played with AdGuard Home

28:24

bit and I've definitely used Pihole the

28:26

years. This is,

28:28

how do you think you say it, Technitium? Yeah, that's

28:30

what I was thinking. Okay, not the easiest to

28:32

say, so it loses on that count, but the rest?

28:35

But the rest, think you might

28:37

find it interesting. I was kind

28:39

of looking around just to see what

28:41

the options were because I was getting a home

28:43

router build up. up after a few years

28:45

of using other solutions. And

28:47

Technitium my eye partially because it was

28:49

packaged in Nix and this was gonna be

28:51

a Nix box anyway. And it

28:54

seemed compelling because While

28:56

it it is a C-sharp and .NET, which is great.

28:58

That means it's super cross platform, running

29:00

on Windows, Mac Obviously Obviously I'm running

29:02

on a Linux server, but but you know, if

29:04

you've got a Windows server for some

29:06

reason, have at it. it? Also ARM, Raspberry Pi.

29:08

Pi. Yeah, definitely. And just

29:10

like it Pihole's

29:12

kind of a whole thing, right? Like,

29:14

if they ship their own stuff,

29:16

there's version of DNS mask buried in

29:18

there. And DNS mask also just stock, also

29:20

a great option. And so

29:22

it's kind of like it's an ad blocker first with

29:25

a side of DNS and DHCP, DHCP,

29:28

whereas think Technidium is a DNS

29:31

server with a side DHCP and ad blocking. But

29:34

that those are not well

29:36

implemented, but the focus is a

29:38

little different. Yeah, guess you'd

29:40

say more power user DNS features. But struck me

29:42

first is just looking like the package here

29:44

Nix only a 50-line file. file. It's basically

29:46

just one build that says grab

29:48

the source and build this .NET app. app. And

29:50

module code is about 100 lines, which

29:52

is really just setting up a single system

29:54

D service. So that struck me as like

29:56

to something like Pihole, which I was

29:59

probably going to have to... to run in a VM or something,

30:01

this was just simpler for me to understand

30:03

what was going on. I

30:05

will say the Docker file about 48 lines. lines. Yeah. it's,

30:07

although there's a a lot of comments in

30:09

there, if you took out all the

30:11

comments, it's a pretty simple Docker compose, but it's

30:13

a well -documented Docker compose. So either way you

30:15

go. I don't think think

30:18

it's, you don't have to be an expert in either

30:20

one of these, either Nix or Docker get it up and going.

30:22

And you know, there are a lot of solutions. These days too, you

30:24

have like, your of traditional things

30:27

like I don't know, power DNS, DNS, like high

30:29

DNS servers that have DHCP and ad

30:31

blocking plugins, which in a way is what

30:33

Technidium is doing, but... Technidium

30:35

also is is like ad card home and

30:37

pie hole in it it out of the

30:39

box comes with a nice looking little web UI

30:41

you can see graphs and like, look at what

30:43

things in your cache what things have been blocked.

30:46

It's also, while it's not, unfortunately

30:49

able to be easily like configured

30:51

from Nix, which would be nice. It

30:53

does have a REST API. So I think

30:55

you could do that, right? Like Like have a

30:57

a pre -start service in system or something like, or a

30:59

poster, you know, have some setup that the API

31:01

to restore your state if you need it to,

31:03

but. For the most part, functionally, the

31:05

things I care about, I'm curious if it

31:07

handles this, is. I I want

31:10

decent ad blocking and I want

31:12

a a DHCP that

31:15

auto my DNS and

31:17

I might want like a a split DNS

31:19

setup on how I have my tail

31:21

net. Can it handle all that

31:23

pretty well? Yeah, definitely. I mean, you

31:25

can, so it's got, definitely got blocking. Let's over here,

31:27

settings, blocking. You can

31:29

do text block, you got text blocking report. You got

31:31

kinds of, of, you can respond with an any address

31:33

or an NX domain or a custom address if

31:36

you want. And I noticed

31:38

blocking too, like you can subscribe to like

31:40

popular blocking list. Yes, they've got a quick ad

31:42

for a lot of the common ones,

31:44

but you can also just put in custom block lists

31:46

you want. They also got, you know,

31:48

just controls for when you want, how often you

31:50

want it updated, when the update is. things

31:52

like that. And then the

31:54

DNS side, they've got pretty sophisticated support. built

31:57

right in, you know, it can be. both

31:59

recurring. and authoritative so you can do

32:01

whatever you need to there. It's

32:03

also got a lot of some of the less

32:06

common RFCs implemented one I like

32:09

is D support. which

32:11

is like a C record but for a subdomain. So

32:13

can, one thing you could do is if

32:15

you want to like kind of functionally

32:17

alias it being an alias. it'd

32:19

a little more clear of what's going

32:22

on on you can have a D name from

32:24

some internal host name using to your tail domain

32:26

system. Ah, Ah, so essentially

32:28

just ignore what the external

32:30

DNS resolves as. Yeah, right. so I have it

32:32

have up right now that this

32:34

system using NetBird so it has

32:36

a default has like domain

32:39

name, dot .cloud. And I

32:41

have a host name dot internal to that

32:43

on the inside of my network. Hmm.

32:46

Because Cause things have that, right. That's like my

32:48

flat mesh. so. that it's internal. Um,

32:51

but it's not only does it have pretty good support

32:53

for setting up, you know, set up a diverse

32:55

set of zones forwarding rules, right? You can

32:57

also have stuff also forward to whatever DNS server

32:59

you want. It's also got

33:01

something called DNS apps, which are

33:03

basically are DNS DNS that you can

33:05

add. I haven't dabbled too much in,

33:07

into these any examples? Yeah, Yeah, here pulling

33:10

up the app store. It's

33:12

got an app store. things like an

33:14

blocking, advanced forwarding. I think

33:16

this is where they also

33:18

add stuff like a split DNS is

33:20

implemented in here. There's

33:23

a weighted round Robin. if you do do

33:25

a zone alias. They've got it

33:27

in here. They've got support for if

33:29

you want let's see here Oh,

33:32

they've got a lot of stuff. Geo

33:35

distance, Geo country, drop request,

33:37

DNS rebinding protection, a

33:39

block page, page if

33:41

you want block page. Oh, some display. Yeah.

33:44

So presumably too, if if if you were really serious about

33:46

it, you could could your own plugin in

33:48

here as well. Now I also, so you mentioned

33:50

a web UI, which which sounds like you're looking at right now. But

33:53

it also has a command line interface. Have you

33:55

messed with that at all? Have you had to use

33:57

that at all? No, not yet. But I have with the API,

33:59

which is. just of standard REST

34:01

API and quite nicely. I

34:04

noticed also support things like

34:06

DNS over HTTPS DO. Oh yeah,

34:08

they've got I mean, it's, lot of

34:10

that handled, DNS TLS, DNS

34:12

over HTTPS. Do they have any like, they do

34:15

like recommended built-in upstream DNS servers? Yes,

34:17

I believe they do. This

34:19

really nice. I'm looking at

34:21

your screenshots, you include in our doc. It's

34:23

clean. Simple, easy,

34:26

obvious layout, really. Huh.

34:29

Yeah, here, I'm just checking here for

34:32

the. Technidium, Technidium DNS server. Oh

34:34

yeah, forwarders, so you can configure what what

34:36

forwarders you want. They've got a

34:38

quick select dropdown. What the protocol,

34:40

DNS over UDP, TCP, TLS, HTTPS quick, I

34:42

think they support HTTP one, two, and three.

34:45

two, and three. What What are using

34:47

that uses MQTT? I see MQTT hosting.

34:49

Oh, that would be the Hue lights.

34:52

Oh, oh, using MQTT to talk back

34:54

to you. you. guess so. Wild, okay. How

34:57

about that? You can control the

34:59

forwarder concurrency. Um, it does

35:01

seem to be, I I not need a

35:03

super high performance, uh, DNS for

35:05

my home stuff. but they talk up talk

35:07

up on the GitHub it's based

35:09

on async I.O. that serve millions of

35:11

requests per minute, even on a

35:13

commodity desktop PC hardware, load on

35:15

an Intel i7-8700 -8700, with more than 100

35:18

,000 requests per second over gigabit ethernet. So it'll

35:20

probably fine on a a Pi then. Yeah,

35:22

there's also robust support for proxy

35:24

protocol if you're doing stuff like

35:26

that. Latency -based name server algorithm that

35:28

works with the concurrency feature. So

35:31

yeah, also advanced caching stuff, like if you

35:33

want to allow serving

35:35

stale records, like if you have maybe you

35:37

know, inconsistent internet and like, I'd rather just have that

35:39

old record because I'm not be able to get

35:41

it again at the moment. That is actually a

35:44

feature I would specifically use. Yeah. Huh,

35:46

that and being able to

35:48

have internal systems have their

35:51

split own resolution is really nice. The

35:53

ability to create custom local network zones.

35:55

That's sweet. The DHCP server

35:58

integration, that way when machine gets... the

36:00

release, its host name is automatically added to

36:02

the name resolution is... it does the

36:04

It does the reverse pointer records well. I love

36:06

that. That is really nice. Um. I'm

36:09

curious what you would use a REST API for

36:11

this kind of thing, maybe Maybe graphs? Yeah,

36:13

or think integrations with things. know,

36:16

like maybe you have a third system where you can get. know,

36:19

like If you wanted wanted a way to integrate

36:21

with your some VPN or network, you could pull

36:23

the list of host names and IPs and feed

36:25

it in via a REST setup. Oh, Oh,

36:27

that'd be be for getting the server prepped

36:29

and ready to go. Yeah. Oh,

36:32

with you. you know, or if you have

36:34

some like orchestration or automation system that you

36:36

know, doesn't speak DNS but But can easily make

36:38

like a curl command or a Python requests API

36:40

call. I'm kind of, I feel

36:42

bad that I haven't heard about

36:44

this before. It's GPL3. It's

36:47

been around for years. So

36:50

I don't know why I have never heard of this before. because

36:53

it looks really, really great.

36:55

Like it kind of makes my pie hole look, well,

36:59

sort of like amateur hour, which I love my pile. that for

37:01

like four or five years. four or five years.

37:03

But is really, this is the way to go in the

37:05

future. Yeah, they do talk up that they also

37:07

have Raspberry Pi support, Right. So, So I see see just this

37:09

out. You can totally do that, they've got They've got

37:11

Docker there's a There's a Nix module. it's pretty easy to easy

37:13

up, up only a few lines. So

37:16

So there's a lot of to get started. Uh,

37:18

it did though up

37:20

an issue that I was curious

37:22

how you 'all handle okay The

37:25

ad ad blocking side. great, right? I mean I

37:27

mean, DNS blocking is lovely. is lovely can't do

37:29

solve every problem, but it can do a

37:31

lot And And geez, me tell you when

37:33

I'm on an LTE connection, especially the whole five

37:35

the five person household is on it

37:37

was on one LTE connection. so nice to

37:39

save that bandwidth. So So one

37:41

thing. Well, what's your question? Well, the

37:43

of it, are you going there?

37:45

No, No, no, no, no. Well,

37:48

when you have, uh... issues.

37:51

So I think last week or two weeks ago we were of

37:53

complaining It might have been on the members

37:55

i don't recall about about the YouTube

37:57

app. Oh, yeah. Uh, specifically...

38:00

losing history. Yep Well,

38:02

coffee death in the matrix chat

38:04

in LUP feedback uh...

38:07

posted screenshot. Warning,

38:09

your history is not being saved.

38:11

This most likely is caused

38:13

by a DNS ad blocker or proxy.

38:15

To fix this, whitelist .youtube.com or turn

38:17

off all DNS blockers and

38:19

proxies. So they nicely wrote and sort of

38:21

alerted. I haven't tried, I haven't.

38:24

Uh. So it could home

38:26

since then to test it. He's saying ad blocking

38:28

be why sometimes the YouTube watch history is inconsistent.

38:31

Yeah. then I was separately from this,

38:33

I I was having an issue

38:35

where, well, I switched ISPs and my last ISP

38:37

was still billing me. They've since fixed

38:39

that. So it's fine. refunded me and all

38:41

that. Woof. Yeah. And

38:43

so when I first I was looking up all

38:45

of my interaction records and all that

38:47

right, make my case And when I first

38:49

chatted, interacted with them, was just via the

38:51

online web chat. Sure, yeah. And then I I went back. And

38:54

I was, I didn't see how to get to

38:56

a web. You know, they had very support pages and

38:58

a number, but there's no chat. But the thing never up up, so

39:00

you can find it. Yeah. And it turned out that

39:02

when I turned off DNS ad blocking whatever lists I'd configured

39:04

at least. Uh, the chat popped

39:06

right back up. up. So just maybe, so

39:08

it's fine for me, but like sometimes even takes

39:11

me a minute or a frustrating long time to remember

39:13

that I have that as a thing that maybe

39:15

I should test. Yeah. You don't think about it

39:17

when it's at the network level so

39:19

much. I think about it more when it's

39:21

browser extension. Right. And that

39:24

made me wonder, like, is is this something

39:26

that I could recommend for a less technical

39:28

friend family? Like I I about, like, do I

39:30

want to enable this at my folks house? But

39:33

feel bad if they're left with broken

39:35

pages that like they mentioned me or maybe

39:37

they just sort of think that it's

39:39

not working for some, know, they have no

39:41

idea Yeah. could have been working. Here's

39:43

something where you the API Wes. Is you

39:46

give them a little bookmark or something that

39:48

just turns it off. on and off. an idea. Oh

39:50

yeah. make it an easy little switch. A

39:52

button on the browser bookmark bar or something. Maybe

39:54

a a background system D that turns it on

39:56

in the middle of of night night again. might

39:58

not toggle it back on. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

40:01

So this definitely had this hit the

40:03

family once or twice. And

40:05

I haven't done a a lot of testing yet

40:07

to like, should I, I, you know, can I get a

40:09

less? strict walk? Like, well,

40:11

to the white a few things. Yeah.

40:14

maybe one or two things need to be white listed. Right. Family,

40:17

you know, I think I recall it impacted

40:19

us once during Learn home during

40:22

Covid, Something didn't load right

40:24

And once something my wife was doing related

40:26

to her business. the page

40:28

didn't load right and it does take me way

40:30

long to remember that have piehole

40:33

because it rarely. Right. It's it's so

40:35

rare it's rare enough that you forget Yeah. So just

40:37

works. Yeah, as far as the YouTube

40:39

history, it's possible, but I kind of

40:41

have piehole everywhere, so I'm never not watching

40:43

YouTube without ad block. So and it works most

40:45

of the the time. I

40:47

don't know, that's a great question. I'm

40:49

curious what Prince are on, you know, deploying ad to

40:51

people that might not be even aware

40:53

it's happening, because you're writing. does

40:56

break things sometimes. Well, during this

40:58

conversation, that was my main, like, I

41:01

guess daydream was, oh, yeah, I've

41:03

wanted to apply a piehole something

41:05

similar to my entire network here, but

41:07

I do share the network with my brother

41:09

and his wife And they're working from home

41:11

now. And sure enough, if things aren't working,

41:13

I know how to diagnose that stuff,

41:15

but. That's not

41:17

the case for them when they're just

41:19

trying to get stuff done. And exact

41:21

question was, Wes's is like for the few

41:24

times that it's critical. You know,

41:26

I don't want to be responsible for this.

41:28

So I've typically run something like that just for

41:31

my own devices, but that comes with a

41:33

whole other host of issues. So I

41:36

would love to hear people's experience with this. Yeah.

41:39

If people have this problem, Yeah. That's a

41:41

great question. I'll tell you my

41:43

gut instinct is to err on the side of

41:45

breaking things and here's why I say it. it. Back

41:48

in the day, it it was the PC we were

41:50

really worried about getting attacked. And

41:53

so you put on you know, family members, computers

41:55

and you'd run tools like seed cleaner and whatnot

41:57

to keep them working right. But

42:00

have moved on and they recognize

42:02

that everybody has a mobile device. And

42:05

one of the best ways to attack

42:07

a mobile device is DNS and ad and

42:10

ad crap in the browser. You

42:13

need to do something that is applicable

42:15

to mobile mobile browsers mobile

42:17

devices and mobile apps. So So it's something usually at

42:19

the network level, at the DNS level. That's

42:22

what and or ad network level. level. That's

42:24

why I think it is worth. some

42:27

kind of network level blocking because then

42:30

you're literally protecting every device on

42:32

the network to some degree. And

42:34

that to me seems worth the trade -off. Yeah

42:36

and you know, the the benefits as well. Yeah, but

42:39

it does also sound like the exact kind

42:41

of thing you have a tech guy opinion on and

42:43

then you go implement it for real users then

42:45

you realize, oh crap oh crap oh crap. But it

42:47

also strikes me and I just feel this more

42:49

and more is you know that just the divide between the

42:51

people with technical know -how and you don't, right? like

42:53

can live a totally different experience where we don't

42:55

have ads and we have access to whatever content

42:57

we need and like all the things are. We have better

43:00

bandwidth, better internet experiences in general. Yeah and then

43:02

other people are left to sort of suffer with

43:04

like a free zoom account cuts them off

43:06

after 30 minutes and ad spam every

43:08

web page. Does it it out in

43:10

the end? because the type of

43:12

user that you just said,

43:14

you know, about the better experience. We're

43:17

also the types like you and

43:19

I have subscriptions to Pharaonix and LWN

43:21

like we're or more like the type

43:23

to go support independent media, where they're probably

43:25

more like that I'm generalizing here but they might be more like

43:27

the type to go consume. mainstream

43:30

media. And

43:32

they don't have a way to support

43:34

mainstream media directly independently. They are supported by

43:36

ads. Right yeah there is that. like are aware

43:38

that we're doing it. So it also means

43:40

we take other measures to make sure we're

43:42

supporting where we think we want to. to. And

43:44

I think we just we probably skew on

43:46

average towards more independent outlets that

43:48

have means of support. True. And

43:51

so if he gave this power to everybody, they might

43:53

not even be aware of that dynamic. That's

43:56

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it was running, Nix Sometimes

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things just go sideways, So Wine Eagle,

45:44

thank you very much for the boost. If you want to check

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45:51

Meno in with the granddaddy ducks.

45:53

Things Is that a up for all

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46:00

super interesting helpful. Oh, good

46:02

to know. You You know what? That boost

46:04

means a lot more than you might think. That's

46:06

the kind of signal we love to get, to kind

46:08

of give us directions to go in the future the

46:10

kind of It's exactly the kind

46:12

of episode that doesn't get a lot of boosts

46:15

because there's not a lot to discuss there, It's just

46:17

what it is. It's a matter of fact. so

46:20

there's not a a lot for people to sink

46:22

their teeth in and us they like it. So

46:24

then we miss that. it. We're

46:26

not sure how it it landed. Yeah, exactly. So,

46:28

you, Meno, that That a lot. appreciate

46:31

the McDucks. User 21-54-6541 came

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in with a Jar Jar Boost. came

46:35

in with a Jar Jar That's 5,000

46:37

That's 5 ,000 sats. You're so boost. I

46:39

recall some conversations regarding training voice

46:41

models and being able to train

46:43

your own voice model. Well,

46:45

Network just released a fantastic video that accomplished

46:48

this to integrate with Home Assistant for voice control.

46:50

Oh, I've heard people talking about this. Ooh,

46:52

neat. See, if I recall correctly, Chris was interested

46:54

in being able to create a voice model

46:56

based on his own voice. I

46:58

I was able to train an Onyx

47:00

using the Piper TTS. If If there's interest,

47:02

check out the video, the network post, titled,

47:06

I failed in the last video. Oh, that's such

47:08

a YouTuber thing. You

47:10

know, know is incredible at

47:12

replicating my voice is Google's

47:15

Notebook L LM. It does love you. does

47:17

love you you can tell it the... can

47:19

give it sources. sources. So just say like

47:21

paste, Give it null for the source, for the

47:23

source and then ask you to talk about ButterFS and Linux as a single host, you'll

47:25

a single me. and you'll probably get me. There's a a

47:27

good chance you'll get my voice. In

47:30

remarkable Inremarkable fidelity, it even... It

47:32

it not only does it replicate my

47:34

voice. But it even replicates the

47:36

audio waveforms of our audio to an extent. It's,

47:38

if you get it, and there's two hosts

47:40

in there, when it switches to my voice,

47:42

open it up in an audio editor. and

47:44

look at the waveform differences. One

47:46

looks like a JB podcast. One looks

47:48

like something a a lot quieter. It's really really

47:51

something and so my wife She's

47:53

planning to ask you when she gets here

47:55

after the show, to get Notebook to get things like, I'm sorry, to

47:57

say things like, I'm sorry, you were right. She

48:00

wants her own soundboard. own soundboard. give her I

48:02

can give her a crash course. So, she's going to

48:04

want a few pointers when she

48:06

gets back. Chacuca

48:08

in with $2 ,000. Pew,

48:11

pew, pew! What

48:13

is the Mambo Room? Room? Ah, Ah, the

48:15

Mamble Room. Do I say it like

48:17

that? Do I have an accent? That

48:20

is the mumble room, M

48:22

-U -M -B -L -E. It is

48:24

an open source audio app that

48:26

supports different rooms with different

48:28

permission structures. We have an on

48:30

-air and a quiet listening room. and

48:33

it uses the very high

48:35

quality Opus I think and have turned up to

48:37

a nice bit, right? So, it's plugged into

48:39

our It It gets a mix right off

48:41

our sound board. It goes into Mumble, which

48:43

is an open source app. app. And

48:45

then everybody in there can listen to the show live. If

48:47

they're in the on air room, they can tag one of us in

48:50

the chat room to let us know they to say something and we

48:52

bring them the show. Or, like, you listen to

48:54

the member version of the show, the bootleg, Carl

48:56

was in there talking about what's coming up

48:58

for stream 10, And he just

49:00

pops in and we can have a a conversation because

49:02

it's nice and low latency, Thanks. This is

49:04

great boost because, yeah, we totally don't always

49:06

actually explain what the heck that is and

49:08

just sort of assume people people

49:11

it's been around for a minute. our

49:13

fault for using it for Well, not quite 600, but... not

49:15

quite 600, but. Yeah, we should we should do a

49:17

basics one time. like Like a, like a lot episode. Well,

49:21

Pegdot boosted in sets.

49:23

,333 sets. Well,

49:26

that's Eric, everybody. I think

49:28

those are are geese. I want to

49:30

vote for the Steam as the best

49:32

Linux hardware device ever. Hashtag. Oh, ever.

49:35

Well, ever. in. Okay, so it's

49:37

not in the tuxes this year because it didn't

49:39

come out this year Right. I had to remove

49:41

it and it did hurt because I do

49:43

think it's still one of the very best devices Peg.

49:45

I agree with you But

49:48

this was a... was, I

49:50

could not really conceptualize a

49:52

great hardware list. You

49:54

know, last year we had banger

49:56

banger of hardware releases. and

49:59

this year, I was... The Pi 5. Um.

50:04

Outrade H4 Yeah the h4 I

50:06

think maybe that's on there. there it's

50:08

just it it hasn't quite been a banger of a

50:10

year for releases, so. doesn't mean there's

50:12

not Linux hardware, just you know, yeah it

50:14

like a problem, actually, because we

50:16

were yeah Yeah, with the dead abs and flaws

50:18

stuff, all that seems nice. but You

50:21

know, there's lead times. right and only you

50:23

know, updates happen so often. yeah Maybe

50:26

one day, Brent, maybe one day. open

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50:44

accountant It's always great to hear

50:46

from you. a zac attack comes in

50:48

with 7 ,654 sats. oh my god

50:50

this drawers filled with brook lobes I

50:52

enjoyed the graphene OS recap I switched

50:54

about the same time you all

50:56

did. Oh, great. though I'm of curious

50:58

what you're using to stream

51:01

music as a vim VI

51:03

has stopped working recently

51:05

search for any songs, but I'm hoping they get

51:07

it it fixed soon that's rough.

51:10

I hate it when you get all built on

51:12

a music system and goes away uh-huh I'm

51:14

in a bad place, so maybe I should go

51:16

last. I don't know know, Brent,

51:18

do you sure you have some sort

51:20

of wholesome offline flack solution, right? oh

51:22

man. so you've got me

51:24

pinned properly, which which is

51:26

that I typically have

51:28

not had streaming solutions. but But

51:30

our dear lovely got me on to

51:32

title which is like that hi-fi streaming

51:34

service. yeah yeah And I was

51:36

like, oh, oh Drew I don't know

51:38

if I'm going to use

51:41

this. like dude I got a a family

51:43

like plan Just try it for a little bit, see

51:45

if you like it. he's so sweet. And it

51:47

sat for months, like, installed on my phone, and

51:49

I never used it. But then he just, like, kept

51:53

Sharing great music with me with title

51:55

links? so it only

51:57

works like in there and like true All

51:59

right, I'll do this for you. you. And

52:01

that was like a lot of a year ago, a

52:03

year and a half ago, And you it. I

52:07

say, I'm slow to the party.

52:09

It is kind of nice, but

52:12

I'm hesitating because we did just build that

52:14

new server over here that we mentioned

52:16

recently. And I got a ton of

52:18

music in Flax, as you know, and some

52:20

of the music I've been getting into

52:22

recently is stuff that's in my catalog

52:24

from like a decade ago. And so

52:26

I think I can do better. I

52:28

think I can do better. But that,

52:30

unfortunately, is what I'm using for streaming,

52:32

which is a title, I would say. No,

52:34

all all right, Totally great. better than what

52:36

I'm doing. It's better than what

52:39

I'm doing. Wes? Well, okay. Well, I

52:41

will say I continue to stack Flax

52:43

a player. Stack flax. Yes!

52:45

In that if if an artist that I like has an

52:47

album out and they sell flax on the a website, I I flax

52:49

try to buy it. I love that. But

52:51

now, I'm not actually listening to those

52:53

flax because I'm already paying for YouTube premiums.

52:55

and I used to use Google Play Music

52:58

and I uploaded a bunch of flax back

53:00

then. Yeah. So I've kind of just been

53:02

stuck on YouTube music even though I

53:04

have issues, many issues with it. So This

53:08

has been a a joke. Okay.

53:10

I I have YouTube premium. And

53:13

I find that YouTube, well, first of all, I

53:15

refuse to use Spotify because of what they're

53:17

trying to do do podcast. Yeah, right. So Spotify I've

53:19

taken off the table. I

53:21

use YouTube music, the app, to discover new

53:23

songs, which it is better at

53:25

than anything else I've used. I haven't

53:27

used used title. And then what

53:30

I do is create a a list of songs I've

53:32

really enjoyed. And this is really where it

53:34

gets shameful. I

53:36

over to Apple Music because, you know, I'm paying

53:38

for the whole family to have frickin Apple stuff and

53:41

they have a fine app for Android. And

53:44

I go into Apple Music and I download

53:46

my best, my favorite tracks in there

53:48

because they sound. so

53:50

much better than YouTube music. Apple

53:52

Music sounds so much better than Spotify.

53:55

I don't know that title. But I

53:57

can absolutely hear the difference in. In

54:00

fact, Brent I will sometimes sit

54:02

here on the stream before we get going. And

54:04

And will A be, be like Brent, which one is

54:06

the YouTube music and which one is the

54:09

Apple music? Oh, I Ooh, I want to tell this. It's so Yeah.

54:11

If you can A be it, even over

54:13

even remote connection, Are you can connection, to make me

54:15

paying for Apple music too now? No, maybe you should do title.

54:17

I don't know. And I don't, I don't

54:19

really have the energy or time to like... collect

54:22

a whole bunch of flax as I'm of, and of...

54:24

I could somehow And if could as I'm listening say this

54:26

and it would trigger some sort of download back,

54:28

I I don't know, maybe. Woo,

54:30

you me with this one. Woo.

54:32

We need to to pinch music. Yeah.

54:35

Chris, it sounds like you need an app

54:37

that converts between all of them. I don't

54:39

know if such a thing exists, but but

54:41

you are you like the song manually and punching it

54:43

into the other music service to You'll find it? Yeah.

54:46

that sounds. Yeah, after I've listened to it a

54:48

few times Yeah. on my like frequently, I just move

54:50

it over. over. And when

54:52

I really want to rock out, I play it

54:54

from the Apple music. You You know, you could... discovery. When you use Discovery,

54:56

I use play it in YouTube music and then use to

54:58

recognize it. Yeah. then it'll have a link And then it'll

55:00

have a link to Apple music. Oh, I know. Um,

55:02

and yes, I have YouTube music turned up to high

55:04

quality. I YouTube don't, I I turned can barely hear a a

55:06

difference between regular quality and high quality, Tell you the

55:08

truth. I don't know. I think

55:10

think it's pretty variable too, depending on where it was

55:12

sourced from. Woo. All

55:15

right. Winehippo came in with

55:17

a Rodeux. Woo. Oof! He

55:19

says, I I noticed my own

55:21

Albyhub some out of -budget initial

55:24

investment. Here's my first

55:26

boost from Breeze. yay. Yay. Well,

55:28

well done. Nice pivot there. I

55:30

think that is that is calling out too, it is

55:32

kind of a non -trivial investment to get a lightning server

55:34

going. You need at least a little bit to

55:36

get liquidity started. That's the main thing. Yeah, started.

55:38

you kind of have to, you're like You kind of

55:40

for future for future boost. So if you don't have that,

55:42

that you want to spend on a project,

55:45

no problem. That's That's Breeze, B -R

55:47

-E -E -Z really comes in handy.

55:49

Totally. Totally. I think it's nice these days

55:51

that we have so many options. know, for people that really

55:53

want to dig in deep, they can certainly make that investment.

55:55

But if you don't want to, you don't have to. to. And

55:58

I believe people are connecting Albyhub. to coin OS which

56:00

might be doing liquidity for them, and

56:02

then you don't have to manage with that

56:04

at all. I just haven't played with

56:06

that yet. Well on the

56:08

opposite end of the spectrum

56:10

here, Spectorius boosts in with 5000s hats.

56:12

stats. You're so boozed! the podcast index. It's

56:15

so funny this episode was about Albie.

56:17

I just set that up. Great,

56:19

Great! well done. It's really

56:21

encouraging to see so many in the audience

56:23

willing to take the self -hosted route. Yeah. We

56:26

know it's, I mean, boosting general, already a

56:28

hurdle and then. You know, the whole thing

56:30

the whole thing, even more so, so. But

56:32

like if if we not the people that will

56:34

do it, who will? Who will, And it's

56:36

so awesome that you can. It's

56:39

it's just so incredible. I will say, it's really

56:41

neat. I was trying to explain this to my

56:43

family over Thanksgiving. I'm not sure how it worked, but just... You

56:46

know because when you establish a... setting up

56:48

your Albie Hub whatever and you're setting up the channels,

56:50

are on -chain transactions and so You

56:52

know, there you are, waiting for the decentralized

56:54

system to get to your stuff, then your

56:56

server spins up and it all works. neat. It

56:58

is. Well, Caveman

57:00

16 boosted in 10000s hats. in 10 ,000 sets.

57:02

Did you buy that from a

57:04

certified vendor? I'll

57:07

be Gym feature. I didn't even know

57:09

about that. And that totally solves a

57:11

problem for me. Keep with all those

57:13

boosts. And Turd Vergeson last

57:15

week's boost segment totally stole

57:17

my home network name. Why? is

57:20

is that my SSID? Turd

57:22

Vergeson. It's a good

57:25

a good SNL skit. That's why. It's a a That's good SNL skit.

57:27

It's a name. first thing I First thing I

57:29

thought of. know, that is really fantastic. So

57:31

the Albie Gym feature, just just quick recap, is

57:33

the ability to essentially create a

57:35

small. hub for somebody

57:37

else. you set up Albie yourself then you

57:39

can create like sub nodes. And

57:42

they your liquidity but it's

57:44

totally private, it's their wallet, you don't get access

57:46

to the funds, and. it makes it really easy

57:48

for people to get started. Thank

57:50

you for the boost, Caveman. And sounds

57:52

like an interesting story. Lemons

57:54

in with 2500s hats. ,500 sats.

57:57

Hi Hi, 'all, testing out Albie Hub

57:59

that I just I just on my own raid

58:01

server. Wow. Hope

58:03

it all works. Thanks for the interesting show.

58:06

How that? That's great. It's

58:09

so great. Linux

58:11

Teamster boosts in with 10,000 sets. sets.

58:15

With Albi shutting down, I need a new

58:17

lightning service. I I want

58:19

something that can send boosts. I don't it

58:21

to play podcasts or do anything else,

58:23

just boosts. I I if it did other

58:25

things? that would be fine too.

58:27

I'm not worried about self custody really,

58:30

since it will only have some pocket

58:32

sets for boosting. Keep the great work. That

58:34

does sound like a job for Breeze. And

58:36

I do think you'll find there be web -based ways in

58:38

the future so you don't have to worry about apps

58:40

at all. You just go to a a web page and

58:42

do it. I think there's a few different options that

58:44

are in the works. But

58:46

I would say try out B -R

58:49

-E -E -Z, right? Yeah, at at least

58:51

that way, you know, I I mean, that's a, then

58:53

you got a Lightning wallet Yeah going and connected that key component

58:55

is at least for now is right. needs to

58:57

be able to read the RSS feed. So that's where Breeze

58:59

in the ability to add a podcast and

59:01

you can technically play it But it's really there

59:03

so that way you can boost Well,

59:06

Congaroo Paradox in a Spaceballs

59:08

boost. So the

59:10

combination is one, two,

59:12

three, four, five. That's

59:15

a one, two, three, four,

59:17

five, Satoshi used to say, boost. Boost!

59:20

Yeah, thank you. Jasko

59:23

came in with sats. ,000

59:25

sats, Coming in hot with the boost.

59:27

And here a vote for

59:29

Void for Distro the Year. Oh,

59:32

been a a long time since we've heard

59:34

somebody coming from Void. Yeah, but they're still going strong. Jasco,

59:36

look at you go. Every time I switch

59:38

away, it only takes a few days before

59:40

I find myself reinstalling. Nothing

59:42

beats the lean, mean, green

59:44

little Distro. I've had the same

59:46

install on my desktop for the past three

59:48

years and I haven't had any major issues between

59:50

updates. Also, Sacramento misses

59:52

you. The last meetup was a

59:55

blast. Please come back. I

59:57

would love to Maybe, you know for scale. Let's get

59:59

back to the. We by the sack

1:00:01

for a little bit pick up PJ a little meet

1:00:03

-up while we're there I love that idea

1:00:05

we should get coordinating on that because we're

1:00:07

gonna be on our would assume we're driving We

1:00:10

may fly. It may actually

1:00:12

be more economical to fly, but

1:00:14

let's take the train. Yeah. that would

1:00:16

be awesome. Yes I'm into that probably

1:00:19

takes it take longer? Probably Especially with

1:00:21

the way Brent drives. Whoo. I

1:00:23

be driving the train. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah,

1:00:25

hey, it's the fuel economy. I did hit records

1:00:27

Yeah, that's true I just you know, they

1:00:30

measure thing in moose horsepower and yeah, right Well, let

1:00:32

you know. We'll see maybe we

1:00:34

can make something happen in the sack.

1:00:36

Thanks, Jasko. good to hear from you Vamex

1:00:39

comes in with the 16,000 sats

1:00:42

across four boosts. Oh, this is

1:00:44

Cajun Spies! Okay, just

1:00:46

a test boost here, but next up would

1:00:48

consider Albie hub, but but I'm a bit

1:00:50

concerned about painting a a on my

1:00:53

home lab Do you you have thoughts

1:00:55

on security and things like open ports? Hmm,

1:00:58

so here's how we've solved that problem and I don't

1:01:00

know if everybody would solve it this way We

1:01:03

don't have any inbound ports on

1:01:05

our firewall, and I mean that.

1:01:07

What we do have is a a

1:01:09

VPS that runs nginx that then

1:01:11

forwards the traffic over our tail net to

1:01:14

our lightning note and and

1:01:16

that just several ports. I think think it might

1:01:18

actually be direct NF tables for Well, there's an an

1:01:20

as well, I think. Oh, right, but

1:01:22

for the lightning. Yes Yes, there's Nginx for

1:01:25

a couple of the web apps. I

1:01:27

think. but yeah, you're right, enough tables. So it's really

1:01:29

simple. and And that way we don't have

1:01:31

to expose. our hour Lands

1:01:34

public IP and worked fantastic

1:01:36

for months. It also,

1:01:38

um... I

1:01:41

don't know about Albie hub in particular, but a lot of

1:01:43

lightning has built-in support if you run

1:01:45

a tour so you can do a

1:01:47

tour only node Uh, there can

1:01:49

be, that can be reliable issues

1:01:51

They're depending. clear net is especially if you want

1:01:53

to do like a lot of routing or

1:01:55

something. but Uh, Good could work for

1:01:57

you. Yeah Thanks for

1:01:59

the booth Oh yeah, here we go. To anyone

1:02:01

considering Breeze, keep in mind the

1:02:03

boost character can be kind of

1:02:06

short. Also shout

1:02:08

to the self-hosted Discord. Really

1:02:10

group That is true. They really

1:02:12

are. And very handy. Now Gene

1:02:14

comes in with four boosts

1:02:16

this episode, sets ,318 sats in

1:02:18

total. This is a

1:02:20

tasty burger. I have

1:02:23

a Tuxi's observation Best power CLI tool

1:02:25

like power CLI would

1:02:27

be a great option. Okay.

1:02:30

Also Tuxy's best CLI

1:02:32

tool is lazy git.

1:02:35

Shout out, that's a good one. Now look, I like

1:02:37

this too, not only coming up with a good

1:02:39

suggestion, but but like fill it out, know? Yeah, I

1:02:41

like that. the work. Also

1:02:43

as a suggestion here for Wes. Hey

1:02:46

Wes, just use Home Assistant OS. makes

1:02:48

Home Assistant super easy and reliable.

1:02:50

That's true. true. really is their recommended

1:02:52

way to use it, but you

1:02:54

know, Wes, he may want to

1:02:56

do it differently. Maybe I'll be saying Gene

1:02:59

was right. Well,

1:03:01

Gene Bean has last comment here for you Wes.

1:03:03

Have you considered packaging pinch flat for Nix

1:03:05

of just making a a flake? Don't get me

1:03:07

wrong. flake is great. Just flake curious. With

1:03:09

the flake route, maybe the project owner would

1:03:12

accept it as a PR. Yeah,

1:03:15

true I'm not that's a

1:03:17

good idea. I'm not opposed to that

1:03:19

all Come on Wes. I should get that finished. It's

1:03:21

a a good reason to make it sort

1:03:23

of of Nix packages style anyway, so that maybe the

1:03:26

Delta can be small. Yeah Thanks. I

1:03:28

the way you're thinking and thanks for thinking of me

1:03:30

and sharing tips Gene. Yeah, it's good to hear from you. Ginn

1:03:33

from a Deeks here with 2000s ads. ads.

1:03:35

Make show. Chris, I tried OSS scanner about

1:03:37

two years ago and it just

1:03:39

wasn't advanced as it is today. So

1:03:42

took a subscription with VflatScan

1:03:45

that I don't regret. However, I just

1:03:47

tried OSS scanner, which was something I

1:03:49

recommended last week. and it's

1:03:51

much better now. Now, a note

1:03:53

about about Obtanium? I've used it since last year,

1:03:55

but I noticed some apps on the Play Store are

1:03:57

now. more up to -date the - They

1:04:00

are on github for weeks. This

1:04:02

has at least been true for green wallet proton mail

1:04:05

and VLC. Yeah, isn't that funny? you would

1:04:07

think the would be a place where you'd

1:04:09

have the yeah But imagine there's a lot of

1:04:11

sort of I don't I don't know if you

1:04:13

should call them legacy but pipelines where the you know,

1:04:15

the most considered artifact was

1:04:17

these proprietary app store and the github just

1:04:19

one of the outputs. Yeah, right

1:04:21

So much like f has been

1:04:24

a secondary, less attented to thing. Yeah,

1:04:26

you aren't Primarily using github a a

1:04:28

way where it's like to automate that and

1:04:30

you have then Maybe there's some more work to

1:04:32

do. I have green wallet, I have not noticed

1:04:34

it. So I think I don't care You

1:04:37

know, I like that. It's a good approach.

1:04:39

Yeah, you know as I get it within a

1:04:41

few months I I'm happy yeah, you're not missing

1:04:43

features that you need to use or whatever I

1:04:46

could see FOMO in for a bit like a brand

1:04:48

new VLC that did something really cool but

1:04:50

I'm pretty pretty solid Actually, I installed

1:04:52

VLC, I think, somewhat another way, but that's

1:04:54

good to know. I i would i would

1:04:56

have defaulted Jim just to think that you you know

1:04:58

would have been latest and greatest on github, but you raise a good

1:05:01

point so now we need like another app

1:05:03

that checks which place has the most up

1:05:05

-to -date version with the preference for obtain you It'll get

1:05:07

the most up -to -date one and Obtanium just

1:05:09

has that and in it switches back. if only

1:05:12

there was some sort of really simple

1:05:14

way to syndicate information. If

1:05:16

only. red came in with a

1:05:18

row of ducks I I I

1:05:21

set up my albie hub to I

1:05:23

got that email, but well done But

1:05:26

now wondering if there's any benefit

1:05:28

to using that instead of just

1:05:30

my fountain wallet aside from fully

1:05:32

controlling it myself. Looks like albie is

1:05:34

configured by default to not route

1:05:36

other transactions. So without some tinkering,

1:05:39

there's not even the benefit of

1:05:41

making a few sats from routing

1:05:43

transactions. So as an individual who

1:05:45

mostly only sends sats I'm considering migrating

1:05:47

away from it. Good idea. No,

1:05:50

I I think it's reasonable. I mean, Fountain does the work

1:05:52

for you. and And, you

1:05:54

know, if this is what if really just using it

1:05:56

for boosting and streaming sats I don't think

1:05:58

there's any reason not to use fountain I draw

1:06:00

the delineator is you

1:06:03

want, there is an entire

1:06:05

ecosystem now of not just nostre

1:06:07

applications, but websites that authenticate

1:06:09

with your Lightning ID. There

1:06:11

is incredible, and they're good apps. There's a lot of

1:06:13

them and they're good apps. And you can tie

1:06:15

them all to your Albi Hub you can set

1:06:18

budgets for the individual apps. apps. And

1:06:20

it is a pretty slick integrated system.

1:06:22

Yeah, one we've played with is like a

1:06:24

transcription service that just, you know, you know, you

1:06:26

with stats real quick, you don't to have to

1:06:28

in, there's no account the Lightning integration. connected

1:06:30

and authorized by my Albi Hub I can just

1:06:32

send them an MP3 and they transcribe it

1:06:34

for me. It's great. But

1:06:37

if you're not participating in that

1:06:39

ecosystem and you really just want to be able

1:06:41

to boost and stuff like that let do the

1:06:43

heavy lifting bra. They're give

1:06:45

you LN URL

1:06:47

lightning address. that

1:06:49

with apps like Strike and Cash App.

1:06:52

And they're gonna handle the liquidity for you. So they it

1:06:54

real easy. So that'd be

1:06:56

my recommendation, Red. Thank you for the boost. Watsy

1:06:59

Boostin with 12,345 cents.

1:07:01

,345. Yes, that's amazing! I've

1:07:03

got the same combination of my luggage! From

1:07:06

Fountain, in fact. Hey-o. All right,

1:07:08

all right. You convinced me to

1:07:10

try Home Assistant. Oh, good. It

1:07:12

is awesome. Self-hosted on a

1:07:14

Hyper-V server, I It was running with tail scale I

1:07:16

can get to it everywhere. Good. Just need

1:07:18

to sort out the DNS now. Also,

1:07:21

have you found a a DIY for

1:07:23

a skylight frame

1:07:25

Calendar app or like that for the kitchen.

1:07:28

Hmm. I have not tried

1:07:30

to solve that problem. I I have

1:07:32

daydreamed about that. I'll tell you my

1:07:34

kind of not elegant hack is

1:07:36

I have several tablets that are

1:07:38

throughout the home. that are

1:07:40

used to control Home interface and each

1:07:42

tablet has a custom dashboard for that

1:07:44

room. And so I could

1:07:46

see doing a Home assistant dashboard that just has the

1:07:48

calendar embedded and there's a lot of options there.

1:07:50

And that might be really simple because could just tie

1:07:52

into any backend file or

1:07:55

probably even a Google Calendar or something like

1:07:57

that. if you wanted to. So that could be a way to

1:07:59

solve it, but there's a... a lot cooler ways to solve

1:08:01

it. If If anybody has any suggestions, please

1:08:03

do let us know. Hybrid Hybrid

1:08:05

Sarcasm in with 5 ,000 sats. You're

1:08:07

so boozed. Well, what do you think

1:08:09

about my workflow of using Nextcloud for

1:08:11

markdown note taking? He emailed in a

1:08:13

self -hosting about this, too. There is

1:08:16

a couple of nice ways to use

1:08:18

markdown in Nextcloud. and I have a

1:08:20

notes app in there that I use,

1:08:22

everything I document in markdown, where I

1:08:24

find it to be kind of not

1:08:26

as ideal, but it's still usable,

1:08:28

but not as ideal is when we're in

1:08:30

a third party for one particular

1:08:32

episode. And so what

1:08:34

we use, and you could run

1:08:36

this, or you could something built into Nextcloud

1:08:38

is hdocs. they're They're hedge docs. and

1:08:41

it's a really nice app that

1:08:43

you can self host has

1:08:45

a simple little database, and

1:08:47

it is a real time collaborative

1:08:49

editor. I think I prefer it

1:08:51

to some of the real -time collaborative options in

1:08:53

NextCloud, where NextCloud, to me, seems like would

1:08:55

really shine, is if you're working with the same

1:08:57

group of people a lot, you all have

1:09:00

credentials, and you're kind of already in the

1:09:02

Nextcloud world. that's where it really would plug in nice.

1:09:04

And then you could take advantage of all the

1:09:06

other things like user permissions and

1:09:08

sharing, and some of the quick action stuff,

1:09:10

so that's where NextCloud, I think, would

1:09:12

have a notch up in my opinion. All

1:09:15

right, boys, I love that

1:09:17

we we a small boost from Moritz from Albie.

1:09:19

He to what our Albie House. That's That's great.

1:09:22

Awesome. Making sure things work. I also see

1:09:24

some folks sending some bug boosts for Fountain. Yeah, okay,

1:09:26

good. I'm still, I have a weekly

1:09:28

meeting, I'm now up to weekly again.

1:09:30

So if you have any bugs boost

1:09:32

in, and they'll be catching them, so

1:09:34

I'll grab those for later. Thank

1:09:36

you, everybody who boosts in, that's everybody above

1:09:38

the 2 ,000 sat cutoff for time. We

1:09:40

had 53 of you

1:09:43

stream stats you listened, so

1:09:45

you sat streamers helped to stack sets.

1:09:47

,588 sats. Now when

1:09:49

you combine that with the good

1:09:51

folks that also chose to boost

1:09:53

in, we stacked a a total of

1:09:55

I should say in 609. sats, 238

1:09:57

,000 I should say, and 600 ,000.

1:10:00

91 set. Not a huge barn for

1:10:02

us, but not awful either. we

1:10:05

round out the year We appreciate these more

1:10:07

and more of course all of these will be

1:10:09

going towards the boosties as well which will

1:10:11

be coming up later in the year the

1:10:13

part. I like Total Unique Senders 74. That is great. is

1:10:15

great Those are are audience members that

1:10:17

like, you know interacting with 74 74 of

1:10:19

you that really make a big

1:10:21

difference If you'd like to

1:10:23

participate, you could just get something

1:10:25

like Fountain, Fountain FM, and then it off with

1:10:27

something like the Strike App. Just

1:10:30

a few easy ways to go and then

1:10:32

you can start boosting right away But

1:10:34

if you'd like to go the self -hosted

1:10:36

route go to our episode last week where

1:10:38

we talk about Albie Hub the whole you can

1:10:40

hear people are getting going. Whole thing can be

1:10:42

self hosted using an entirely free software stack. of

1:10:45

course, thank you to our members Who

1:10:47

support us with their support

1:10:49

on autopilot by becoming a member

1:10:51

that That Friday sale is still

1:10:53

going too. You can check that

1:10:56

out at linuxunplug.com/membership. Now

1:10:58

I got a pick for you speaking of Nextcloud I

1:11:01

have sort of helped

1:11:03

round out the replace functionality and

1:11:05

And of the things in that

1:11:07

I thought worked really well

1:11:09

you could set a reminder

1:11:11

on on your phone and

1:11:13

then over on your Apple Macintosh, you

1:11:15

open up the reminders app and

1:11:17

the same reminder would be there

1:11:19

and my goodness if you were brave

1:11:21

enough, you you could even go to

1:11:23

the Reminders page and iCloud. what

1:11:25

that same reminder would be

1:11:27

there And can replicate

1:11:30

this with several Google services. You

1:11:32

use things like Keep, you use

1:11:34

things like tasks inside Gmail and whatnot. I

1:11:37

don't want to use the Google I

1:11:39

wanted to solve this using

1:11:42

my cloud ecosystem and I

1:11:44

want to be able to set

1:11:46

a reminder on my Linux desktop

1:11:48

and then mark it on my Android

1:11:50

phone That's my goal. Yeah, and

1:11:53

that's where Aarons comes in errands

1:11:55

is a to -do application that

1:11:57

fairly simple. It lets you make

1:11:59

multiples. multiple tasks lists, You can add,

1:12:01

remove, and edit tasks have subtasks. You

1:12:04

can all of that. can have have colors for

1:12:07

each task and you can sync

1:12:09

it. with Nextcloud. Dragon

1:12:13

in there. It also imports ICS

1:12:15

files So this really

1:12:17

works, and I use it on

1:12:19

multiple machines, all syncing to my Nextcloud. And

1:12:22

then I use TASS, the open TAS app.

1:12:24

I think you can find an FDroid, which

1:12:26

also syncs to my next cloud on my Pixel

1:12:28

7. I like this app, I'm trying it

1:12:30

right now. I'm just making some notes for

1:12:32

what we got to do after the show. after the show

1:12:34

and it's really smooth. Yeah. Yeah,

1:12:36

you can use it without Nextcloud if you just want

1:12:38

to use it as a local TASS app. Arons

1:12:41

will just work locally as well or

1:12:43

to another CalDAV provider. But

1:12:45

it is give it your, it's so like just give

1:12:47

it the URL of your next cloud server

1:12:49

and click sync. And then it pulled

1:12:51

in all of them. And then I just went through this for

1:12:53

the day and stuff off and then I checked on my

1:12:55

phone and sure enough. boop, boop, boop, boop! Yeah, and it

1:12:57

didn't make me, which is nice. It just me

1:12:59

like start taking, things. But yeah, here over

1:13:01

in the settings, there's the sync

1:13:03

provider. You've got Nextcloud or CalDAV. Okay, that's easy. Yeah,

1:13:06

it's a GTK application, but I... I

1:13:09

have had no problem using it

1:13:11

on my desktop. and fired

1:13:13

it up also on my now, my known 47

1:13:16

desktop. 47 desktop and it just looks right at home.

1:13:18

It's the good. kind of GTK application, I

1:13:20

think. think, where it's like a minimalist, but in

1:13:22

a very effective way that does not feel

1:13:24

like you're deprived of features, you know? From

1:13:27

the screenshots here it looks super nice And one

1:13:29

thing that sticks out for me the most

1:13:31

is the download size. under eight

1:13:33

megs. It's refreshing to see an

1:13:35

application that's just super lean me. That

1:13:38

is refreshing. Of Of course it probably depends on

1:13:40

some flat pack dependencies that are like 300 megs, but that's how

1:13:42

it should work. That's once you have that

1:13:44

stuff installed. You only need

1:13:46

it once, right? Don't worry, it's packaged in. Arch,

1:13:51

the AUR? A you are? Probably, yeah. let's

1:13:53

check, let's check. Amazing.

1:13:59

All right. Well, so you to check

1:14:01

out the Technidium DNS

1:14:03

server. It just sounds absolutely

1:14:05

amazing. Okay, yes, it is in

1:14:07

the AOR. Of course. Keep

1:14:10

your ears peeled for more

1:14:12

news on Project Banana, a .k .a. Kady

1:14:14

Linux and Gonomo-S. When they're something that's

1:14:16

getting close, you know your boys here are

1:14:18

gonna be kicking the tires. And

1:14:20

then last not least, please go fill

1:14:22

out the tuxes. want as many represented in

1:14:25

there possible. It is tuxes.party. We

1:14:27

will have a link. in

1:14:29

show notes. And then last not least,

1:14:31

what was? the the

1:14:33

big thing in Linux this year. It was

1:14:35

the year of what? Please

1:14:37

that in tell us your thoughts on

1:14:39

that because We're stacking those answers for a

1:14:41

future episode. All right, boys,

1:14:44

I think that just about rounds us up. so you know

1:14:46

what that means. See you next week. Same

1:14:48

bad time, same bad station. That's

1:14:50

right! The show is live on

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1:14:57

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1:14:59

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1:15:08

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Yeah, you can you can put JBlive .fm right

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1:15:19

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1:15:21

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1:15:26

you so much for joining us

1:15:28

on this week's episode see you next

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1:16:01

long and prosper.

1:16:20

Live long and prosper. All

1:16:24

right. Thank you, Drew. I think

1:16:26

that's everything. that's boys. yet, boys. believe

1:16:28

it is. All right, right, all stopping dropping

1:16:30

in three, two, one. stoppage. Bye, Bye, Drew.

1:16:33

Thank you, Drew. Appreciate you. Bye.

1:17:29

Bye.