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that empowers you to transform

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your life by awakening to your

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true authentic self. I'm Lisa

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Aromano, your host. As an award

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-winning author and certified life coach,

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I've dedicated my life to

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helping others understand the incredible power

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of an organized mind. I

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believe that true empowerment begins with

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awakening to our false self.

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I created the Conscious Healing Academy,

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a three -part coaching and brain

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retraining program designed to help

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individuals triumph over trauma and turn

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their breakdowns into powerful breakthroughs. My

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mission is to support you

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on your journey toward mental and

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emotional regeneration through conscious and

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deliberate awakening. In this podcast, I'll

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share insights, tools, and transformative

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stories that illuminate the path to

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healing and self -discovery. So today

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we're going to be discussing

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how to talk to a narcissist

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in a pinch. Okay, so

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a couple of things that we

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need to figure out first

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is that narcissists have serious

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behavioral issues. They

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have serious cognitive issues.

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They have serious consciousness

1:07

issues. They do not see

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people as 3D autonomous human beings

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that are worthy of respect. They

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sort of rank people in terms of

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their assets to them or whether or

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not someone could be an asset or

1:20

a liability. So a

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narcissist is always trying to figure

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out and really like figure out

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like seriously in the moment, like

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is this person going to be

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advantageous to my life or is

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this person going to hinder my

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life in some way? And

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that's really sad because they are so

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missing the mark on what a true

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relationship is. So when thinking

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about somebody who is highly narcissistic, we

1:45

want to remember that this is someone

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who is not highly self -aware. This is

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someone who If you're not self

1:51

-aware, you can't be self -accountable. If

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you're not self -aware, you can't

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walk and live in integrity. If

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you're not self -aware, then you

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can't operate from a place of

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vulnerability and humility for too long.

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In fact, your ego is

2:06

going to do a dance. Imagine

2:09

looking at someone who is dancing on

2:11

a hot tin roof. Imagine what their

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feet would look like. That's what a

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narcissist... feel would be, like that's the

2:17

way they feel in their energy. No,

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no, no, no, no. I can't go

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there. I can't go there. I can't

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feel humble. I can't feel vulnerable. I

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can't say I'm sorry. I can't feel

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shame. I can't, I can't, I can't,

2:30

I I can't. And then what they

2:32

do is they go into all these

2:34

egoist defensive behaviors. I think most of

2:36

them are unconscious. I think that narcissist

2:38

operates so below the veil of consciousness

2:40

and just rationalize

2:42

so quickly as to why

2:44

they're doing what they're doing, so

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they're unconsciously malignant. When

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we're talking about somebody who's conscious

2:51

of their malignancy or their emotional,

2:53

psychological malignancy, we're talking about a

2:55

psychopath. We're talking about

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somebody who is deliberate, someone

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who is monitoring themselves and

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knows exactly what they're doing.

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But I think overall narcissists

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generally, they're like, They're

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like pathological in a sense that they

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don't even know that they're doing it. I

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don't think that matters much.

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I think. that in terms

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of being a victim of

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narcissistic abuse, whether parental narcissistic

3:21

abuse or sibling narcissistic abuse

3:23

or friend narcissistic abuse or

3:25

whatever, boss narcissistic abuse, whatever, just

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being a random person, you know,

3:30

shopping or target and then having someone

3:32

like completely blow up on you

3:34

because of their narcissistic rage. It's been

3:37

triggered and you're the person in

3:39

their vicinity. It's

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really More about understanding

3:43

from the perspective of the victim

3:45

and in my opinion what I

3:47

try to do is I try

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to empower you So if you're

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somebody who is dealing with someone

3:53

who is who is highly narcissistic

3:55

you're gonna need tools Because dealing

3:57

with someone who is narcissistic you're

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gonna be taught through gaslighting and

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triangulation and projection and through smear

4:04

campaigns through flying monkeys That you're

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the person who has the problem

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so a narcissist's mind works like

4:10

a Rubik's Cube to like

4:12

instantaneously, faster than the speed of light,

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figure out a way to put you

4:17

in a position where you are defending

4:19

yourself. So it's like you're always on

4:21

the ropes. They're hitting you with question

4:23

after question. Remember the person asking the

4:25

question is a person in control. And

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so what I try to do

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is like understanding this, like their

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narcissist exists, understanding that narcissistic parental

4:34

abuse is going to set you

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up for self -loathing. for cognitive

4:38

dissonance, narcissistic parental abuse is going

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to put you in a position

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where you feel less than where

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you're not going to have self -esteem.

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So unfortunately, even in modern society,

4:48

and they've done studies on this

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where they've asked people who have

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committed heinous crimes to look at

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videotape of people walking the streets

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of Manhattan. and said, who would

4:59

you choose to mug or who

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would you choose to assault? And

5:03

they always picked the same type

5:05

of a person, the person who

5:07

had a very slow gait, somebody

5:09

who was hunched over, somebody that

5:12

was in their own world. They

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did not. pick out the people

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who walked around like they had

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a stainless steel spine. They

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did not pick the people that look

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like they were aware of their surroundings. So

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this is something that is innate within

5:26

all of us. We're always sizing people up.

5:28

We're always trying to figure out who

5:30

is this person. So that is

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part of our, I would say, human

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psychological makeup that is subconscious. But

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when we're dealing with a

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narcissist, we're dealing with someone who

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is subconsciously predator -like. in their

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emotional experiences within and they

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are malignant and they will suck

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you into their victimhood. They

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will suck you into their sense

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of like feeling less than

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and then give you the sense

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that you're responsible for them

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feeling less than and they will

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berate you and punish you.

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And if you're not very careful,

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you're going to get caught

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up in this tidal wave. And

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so I wanted to give you

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some tips and some tools on

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how to talk to somebody who

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you now understand is a highly

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narcissistic person. By the time that

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you figure out that someone has

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high narcissism, you're done. You're

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pretty much spent. You may have

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been someone who kept trying to help

6:29

them. Like if you're a reasonable

6:31

person, and your life is moving forward,

6:34

then you feel like you've got

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some pearls of wisdom to offer somebody.

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And so even though you're maintaining your own

6:41

sense of self, you have integrity in

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your word and your bills are paid and

6:45

your life is moving forward and your

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relationships are pretty good, and you

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have this person over here in

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your life that is just a

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dark cloud and always irritated and

6:55

is a high conflict personality, can't

6:57

go along. with anybody, right?

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There's always got to be an

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edge. It could be that

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they're just so resistant to dropping their

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guard due to childhood trauma, and

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they have this edge about them.

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They have a lot of narcissistic injuries,

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or just a couple that are

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really, really deep, deep narcissistic injuries, and

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they're all twisted on the inside. And

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if you get too close to this

7:22

person, then they will project all of this

7:24

onto you. And if you are someone

7:26

who's like trying to understand them, especially if

7:28

you have high empathy, and if you

7:30

have high empathy and you're codependent, you have

7:32

the need to please, you're

7:34

a fixer by nature, you're a caretaker

7:36

by nature. Call Jung talks about

7:38

the caretaker archetype, which I believe I

7:41

was born with. And I just

7:43

think my childhood experience has just like

7:45

made that worse. I can't

7:47

not help people in need. I

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can't not have empathy. I can't not

7:51

feel like I need to help

7:53

people. It's gotten me into more trouble

7:55

than it was really worth in

7:57

the end because I have gone above

8:00

and beyond. For the people that

8:02

I've really cared about, I've clicked with

8:04

due to trauma, tried to save

8:06

them, tried to save them. And it's

8:08

really painful when that person turns

8:10

on you with no reason. There's no

8:12

reason for you to turn on

8:15

me except that they got another source

8:17

of narcissistic supply and they're able

8:19

to push you in a way this

8:21

way. and accuse you of things

8:23

you're not guilty of because they have

8:25

another source of narcissistic supply. There

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are other reasons that someone who is

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highly narcissistic will lash out at

8:32

you for sure. You just don't agree

8:34

with them. Or you're challenging their

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perception of reality. And it's always fun

8:38

when you challenge someone's perception of

8:40

reality. legitimately because you actually think

8:42

differently and then they hit you with

8:45

the oh you're always right bomb right

8:47

like oh okay we're pulling that card

8:49

right because I disagree with you I'm

8:51

pulling me oh you're always right card

8:53

to try to make you feel guilty

8:55

and try to get you to back

8:58

off of your perception of their perception

9:00

because they can't handle the conflict maybe

9:02

that's how they feel they're always wrong

9:04

or they just don't want to be

9:06

wrong. And so they have to punish

9:08

you for challenging them. That's always fun.

9:11

But you need tools. If you are

9:13

somebody who has given and given and

9:15

given and you've hit a roadblock with

9:17

this person, you're done. You could be

9:19

married to this person and you're just

9:21

like, it ain't working. Like, and I

9:23

ain't work no matter what I do.

9:25

It's not good enough. I keep hearing

9:27

that it's because of them. They saved

9:30

me. I heard that from my ex.

9:32

I rescued you. I'm like, from where? And

9:34

I remember thinking to myself, how

9:36

sad is it that he cannot

9:38

fathom? This is the why, asset

9:40

versus liability. It took

9:42

me so long to figure this out and I'm going

9:44

to save you decades of nonsense right here, right

9:47

now. You listening? Put your ears on. And

9:49

so it took me a long

9:51

time to realize that He had

9:53

to use that language because he

9:55

believed it. He could not conceive

9:58

that I actually loved him, that

10:00

I actually wanted to try to

10:02

make it work with him, because

10:04

that isn't how he felt about

10:06

me. When he married

10:08

me, it was asset versus liability. Here's

10:11

a woman, fairly attractive,

10:13

healthy, and she

10:15

just quit nursing school. It's

10:17

probably going to be an asset to keep her in

10:19

my life because she wants to have kids. I want to

10:22

have kids. She's not bad to look at. She

10:24

can cook. She can clean. We always

10:26

complained about my cooking too. But I would

10:28

say that that was, that was rightfully so.

10:30

He had a right to complain about my

10:32

cooking at the time. But I've gotten much

10:34

better. I digress. But I think when he

10:36

married me, it was like asset versus liability.

10:39

In other words, like I was going to

10:41

be an asset. It wasn't about love. It

10:43

wasn't about she's kind. It wasn't about She's

10:45

going to be good to my family. It wasn't

10:48

about, wow, she's going to be a great mom.

10:50

It wasn't about that. It was transactional. I'm going

10:52

to marry her. She's going to live in this

10:54

house. She's going to cook for me. She's going

10:56

to clean with me. She's going to be intimate

10:58

with me, go and get it all with her.

11:00

She can't say no because look how she lives.

11:03

and she's financially dependent upon me. I

11:05

really do think that that's what

11:07

it was all about. It was transactional.

11:09

And this idea in his head that

11:12

she needs me is what fueled

11:14

the sickness between us. And

11:16

it took me so long to realize

11:18

that, okay, here I was all

11:20

these years trying to connect, trying to

11:22

make it better. I

11:24

admit wholeheartedly I was an immature, codependent

11:26

people pleaser and I played out

11:28

the drama triangle where it was like

11:30

I want to take care of

11:32

you and that I am so immature

11:34

I'm going to expect you to

11:36

read my mind rather than tell you

11:38

what I need and when you

11:40

don't fulfill the need that I don't

11:42

even know that I have, I'm

11:45

gonna cry, boo -hoo, you abandoned

11:47

me, you failed me, and the

11:49

way that I feel is your fault.

11:51

I admit that I was that

11:53

person, I'm not proud of it, but

11:55

look at me, I'm working it

11:57

through and I'm teaching you how to

11:59

not do that, which... there anything

12:01

more valuable for someone who really wants

12:03

to learn and who is into

12:05

personal development and who is trying to

12:08

heal from codependency and who's trying

12:10

to resurrect themselves after a life of

12:12

feeling so stuck? I don't think

12:14

so. And God bless Melody Beatty, who

12:16

just recently passed away last month.

12:18

She was my mentor and I owe

12:20

a lot of who I am

12:22

today to her because she was a

12:24

great author. She was the author

12:26

of codependent. more. And when

12:28

I was reading her books, what I

12:31

loved most was her personal stories,

12:33

how she related her co -dependency to

12:35

her life. And I swore to myself,

12:37

I'm getting goosebumps just talking about

12:39

it, I swore to myself that if

12:41

I ever figured this out, that

12:43

I was going to write books that

12:45

We're very much along that line

12:47

where I'm going to use my personal

12:49

stories. I mean, we need stories,

12:52

right? The Bible is a story. That's

12:54

how we hand down traditions. We

12:56

hand down wisdom. We need stories. And

12:58

I swore to myself that if I ever

13:00

figured this out, that I was going to

13:02

use my voice and my ability to be

13:04

a very good storyteller, at least I think

13:07

I am, to help other people heal, to

13:09

take my pain and turn it into purpose.

13:11

And I love the quote, like, your mass

13:13

is your message. is true

13:15

for me. My mess. is my

13:17

message and I'm actually proud of that today

13:19

and you should be too. Don't be ashamed

13:21

that you're here. Don't be ashamed that you're

13:23

codependent. Don't be ashamed that your mother was

13:25

a narcissist or your father was a narcissist.

13:27

Don't be ashamed that you've married a narcissist

13:29

and it's been 20, 25, 30 years. Don't

13:31

be ashamed. You want to

13:33

look at that in the face

13:35

and say, when you marry a narcissist,

13:37

you can get roped up in

13:39

their narcissistic abuse for decades and that

13:41

ain't your fault. Should I say

13:43

that again? That ain't your fault. Can

13:45

I get an amen? That ain't your

13:48

fault because you're a kind person and

13:50

you're an empathic person and you can

13:52

even see what got me stuck was

13:54

I could see my ex -husband's trauma. I

13:56

could see his pain and I wanted

13:58

to fix it and I thought that

14:00

if I could just fix it then

14:03

he would bond with me and the

14:05

skies would open and the clouds would

14:07

go away and we'd doop -doop -doop -doop

14:09

right off into the sunset. When you're

14:11

a codependent woman, in my case codependent

14:13

woman, You seek to rescue others

14:15

so that they can rescue you. You're

14:17

really looking to be rescued, rescued from

14:20

what? Low self -worth, no sense

14:22

of self, feeling like a shell,

14:24

feeling stuck. You don't

14:26

even realize that your whole reason

14:28

for being is to take care

14:30

of someone else. That is so

14:32

sad. And out of

14:34

all of my three children, I see

14:36

this in my son and I pray

14:38

for the day and maybe you can

14:40

pray with me. and just hold them

14:42

in your heart. Hold all of this

14:45

in your heart because having empathy is

14:47

a beautiful thing. But when you're highly

14:49

codependent, what you do is you focus

14:51

so much on your partner or the

14:53

person that you love that you literally

14:55

lose yourself in their dreams and in

14:57

their emotions. And you don't even know

14:59

that you're doing it. And then what

15:01

happens sometimes, not always, but what happens

15:03

is you become so enmeshed that you

15:05

have no identity outside of pleasing this

15:07

person. You've lost yourself. you

15:10

get to an age and you're 60s, 70s

15:12

and 80s and if you live that long and

15:14

you look back and you're like, where did

15:16

my time go? Time runs out for everybody. And

15:18

so if you're codependent, you seek to be

15:20

rescued and rescuing other people. And I can tell

15:23

you that's what I did for a long

15:25

time. And I don't want you to do that.

15:27

I don't want you to waste your time. And

15:30

so my mess is my message.

15:32

My pain has been turned into purpose

15:34

and passion. When you're dealing

15:36

with someone that you finally understand is

15:38

highly narcissistic. you've had it. You've hit

15:40

a wall with them and you're done.

15:42

You're just done. And you

15:44

can't go back because once you

15:46

start studying narcissism, you start to see

15:48

it. You start to see the

15:50

patterns and your inner self can no

15:52

longer hide the truth. That's why

15:55

they say the truth can set you

15:57

free. I want you

15:59

to understand that The goal is

16:01

to not allow them to

16:03

bait you into ongoing, highly emotional

16:05

conversations. They're going to

16:07

try to pull you in. They

16:10

will start conversations that sound

16:12

very cold, very stoic. You'll

16:14

ask them a question and they'll give

16:16

you a one -word answer. And what

16:18

they're really hoping is that you're going

16:20

to feel uncomfortable with their one -word answer.

16:23

And then you'll say something like, is

16:25

something wrong? They got you. You

16:27

sound like something's bothering you.

16:29

Uh, they got you. Did

16:31

I do something? Uh, they

16:33

got you. When you

16:35

give into the drip, the emotional

16:38

drip, when you start to

16:40

feel them pulling away and getting

16:42

a little bit cold, that's

16:44

when you have to go shutty

16:46

shutty. That's when you've got

16:48

to go into complete surrender and

16:50

acceptance. That's where you got to say,

16:52

pass the butter. That's where you got to take the hook

16:54

out of your mouth and you got to look at that

16:56

hook and say, this fish ain't catching that hook today. Like,

16:59

peace out. Like, I'm out of here.

17:01

Like, I am not. picking up

17:03

that hairy brush. I'm just not doing

17:05

it. Like leave it there. Now,

17:07

what will happen is if you stay

17:09

on the phone long enough or stay in

17:12

the company of someone who's like stonewalling

17:14

you and withdrawing and withholding, there's all a

17:16

freaking stupid game. What do you chew? What

17:18

do you chew? Give me a break. Yeah, the

17:20

two. Right? And once you realize

17:23

this and you understand from a very

17:25

high state of consciousness, from

17:27

a very critical, think about

17:29

critical thinking. This is

17:31

analysis thinking. This isn't reactivity in

17:33

the amygdala. Oh no, daddy's

17:36

mad at me. Oh no, my

17:38

brother's mad at me. Oh no, my

17:40

wife is mad at me. No,

17:42

no, no, that's Amy the amygdala. Calm

17:44

her down. Calm her down, climb

17:46

up the ladder out of the amygdala

17:48

and look at it from an

17:50

analysis. Ask yourself, is

17:52

this person being fair? Is

17:54

this person withholding? Is this person

17:56

stonewalling? Is this person trying

17:58

to bet me into an argument?

18:01

If that's a yes, you say, hell

18:03

no, I'm not doing it. Someone

18:05

who's highly narcissistic,

18:07

very emotionally dysregulated. They

18:10

want to bait you. They want

18:12

to pull you into that boxing ring

18:14

because they're really good there. The

18:17

reason they want to pull you into

18:19

the boxing ring is a couple of things.

18:21

They might be feeling disempowered. They

18:23

might be feeling powerless. They might

18:25

be feeling less than. Maybe something happened

18:27

in their life that caused them

18:29

to feel like they're behind in life

18:31

or that caused them to feel

18:33

like someone else is getting validation and

18:36

praise that they're not getting and

18:38

that triggers their narcissistic injury. I'm

18:40

not good enough. And people don't think that

18:42

I'm good enough. And it's everybody's fault that I

18:44

don't have those qualifications. And it's everybody's fault

18:46

that I'm not where I should be, right? You

18:48

start to trigger that in somebody, not your

18:50

fault. If that wasn't in them, there'd be nothing

18:52

to trigger. If they would work on that

18:54

and actually do what they have to do to

18:56

feel better, that wouldn't be a trigger. So

18:59

none of this is your fault. What

19:01

I want you to remember is

19:03

to simply notice when this person is

19:05

trying to beat you and then

19:07

take the high road. just refuse to

19:09

go low with them. Just stick

19:11

to the high road. The other thing

19:13

that I want you to remember

19:15

is that the narcissist is looking at

19:17

you in terms of asset or

19:19

liability. Is it worth it

19:21

for me to keep this person in

19:24

my life for any reason at all?

19:26

Maybe you have influential friends. When

19:29

you start calling the narcissist out, they're

19:31

going to start fawning because in that moment,

19:34

you're worth more to them if

19:36

you're in their life. and your

19:38

liability to them if you're not

19:40

in their life. So do not

19:42

be surprised if when you start

19:44

pushing a narcissist back, if you

19:46

have any value in their life

19:48

at all, it could even be

19:50

intimacy, right? It could be

19:52

fooling around with them. If they see

19:55

you as an asset, don't expect them

19:57

to be gone for long. And

19:59

you could really use that to your advantage. So

20:02

let's say that you have influential

20:04

friends or let's say they're living in

20:06

your apartment building and you've been

20:08

kind enough to them and now they

20:10

just stop paying their rent and

20:12

they're playing the pity game and they

20:14

feel entitled to stay there and

20:16

you can hear it in their language.

20:18

There's no humility. There's no integrity.

20:20

There's just poor me, no

20:22

accountability, none whatsoever. One sob

20:24

story after another and you're

20:26

done. you're done like giving

20:28

them a break. So it

20:30

is probably more of an asset to

20:33

them to keep you in their life.

20:37

So don't be surprised if they suddenly come

20:39

up with half the rent. Don't be

20:41

surprised if they suddenly want to wash

20:43

your car and they want to barter.

20:45

Don't be surprised if they suddenly produced

20:47

money that they've always had, but they

20:49

just never wanted to give it to

20:52

you, right? Because remember, narcissists can't play

20:54

by equal rules. They have to have

20:56

power over you. So even if they

20:58

can afford the rent, they ain't gonna pay

21:00

you. They're just not. Even

21:02

if they have the money in the bank,

21:04

if they can hold something back, that's

21:06

the power game they play. So

21:08

try to remember that narcissists operate

21:11

through the realm of asset versus

21:13

liability. And so if you

21:15

are somebody who has dirt on them,

21:17

they're gonna try to get rid of

21:19

you really fast. Ghost

21:21

Jew, get rid of you really fast, distance

21:23

themselves from you. That happened in our

21:25

life a few years ago. Someone came into

21:27

our life, pathological liar. I

21:29

would say this person should be in jail.

21:31

And the minute the gig was up, she

21:33

was gone. Like the wind, gone. We never

21:35

heard from her again. Of course, because we

21:38

are a liability now because we know your

21:40

truth. We know where the

21:42

bodies are buried. We know. So

21:44

she's cadattled, right? And

21:46

so try to remember that when you're dealing

21:48

with someone who's highly narcissistic, you're not a

21:50

real person. And that's really

21:52

that cuts through the noise. It's like,

21:54

wow, I'm not a real person to

21:56

this person. So I need to start

21:59

going into self preservation mode and you

22:01

will. And so try to remember asset

22:03

versus liability. And then also remember that

22:05

when you're dealing with someone who is

22:07

highly narcissistic, you should not take the

22:09

bait. If you have to agree with

22:11

them, agree with them. In other words,

22:13

like, wow, I really had a tough

22:15

day today. Yeah, that sounds tough. Or,

22:17

oh, you know, my boss

22:19

got angry at me today, and now I

22:21

have to do the night shift. You

22:23

don't feel sorry for them. You say,

22:26

wow, that sounds really tough. And that's it.

22:28

You don't go into, yeah, but you

22:30

know what? you keep

22:32

showing up late for work. You're not

22:34

here to teach your narcissist anything

22:36

anymore. Like that ship has sailed. Like

22:39

once they start turning on you,

22:41

it's all overdone. I'm done. That's

22:43

what happens with someone who's highly

22:45

empathetic. You just cross that line once

22:47

too many times and once the

22:49

highly empathetic, empathetic, codependent person who is

22:51

highly sensitive, once they get your

22:53

number, it's done. And so this is

22:55

the route you want to take.

22:57

So dealing with somebody who's trying to

22:59

bait you, don't take the bait,

23:02

take the high road. If they're talking

23:04

about how bad everything is, how

23:06

everybody's out to get them, you just

23:08

acknowledge them. Yeah, that sounds tough. You

23:10

don't go into teaching them anymore. That's

23:13

over. And if you could remember

23:15

that when they're looking at you, they're trying to figure

23:17

out, is she an asset or is she an liability?

23:19

Is he an asset or is he a liability? And

23:22

once you see that, that's going to. up

23:24

level your consciousness, and you're going to be

23:26

more self -preserving, which means that you're going

23:28

to be, it's going to be far easier

23:30

for you to set boundaries with this person

23:32

than it ever was before. My

23:34

name is Lisa Arrimano. If you'd like

23:36

some help on the codependency recovery

23:38

journey, please visit www .lisaarrimano .com. And if

23:40

you want to develop a stainless

23:43

steel spine in spite of faulty childhood

23:45

programming and a crappy childhood, consider

23:47

the on -demand 12 -week breakthrough coaching program.

23:49

I offer this class twice a

23:51

year. live. And if you take it

23:53

live with me, you can participate

23:55

in a live Facebook group where I

23:57

answer your questions and we record

23:59

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24:01

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24:03

get to keep the live streams within

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the program, which is pretty cool.

24:07

Or you can take it on demand

24:09

for 50 % off the regular price

24:11

of a live class. Namaste, until

24:14

next time, as a bow the love

24:16

light that is absolutely in you.

24:18

Bye for now.