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What

0:47

did you say, Bruce? Mister

0:49

Low, good to see you.

1:05

Hey, everybody. Welcome to Literally, it is

1:07

me. Today, Bruce Bozzi

1:09

is here. Bruce's host table

1:11

for two, which is a fantastic

1:14

podcast, came up in the world of

1:16

his family, basically created the poem,

1:18

one of Let's face it.

1:21

If you know steak and you know food,

1:23

you know the poem. He is married to Brian

1:25

Lord who is run CAA, the

1:27

big agency, stepfather of Billy

1:29

Lord, and like this guy knows show business

1:32

from a whole different angle. I mean,

1:34

knows it from the real angle,

1:36

which is through restauranting. Let's face

1:38

it because that's where it all goes down. And

1:40

one of the which is one of the greatest guys. Ever.

1:42

So I'm excited for you guys to to

1:45

hear from Bruce.

1:52

How's everything with you, man? How you been?

1:54

Everything's excellent. Super

1:57

excellent. I I just got back from New

1:59

York City. I'm back here in Los Angeles. And

2:01

I'm busy and I'm

2:04

just super happy it's twenty twenty

2:05

three. I think this is gonna be good year for everybody.

2:08

I think so. I always think so. I'm

2:10

I'm a total glass half

2:13

full guy. Yes. I can

2:15

tell that about you, always. Right?

2:17

Yeah. I agree. No. I mean,

2:20

even in spite, even during the time

2:23

in the twenty

2:23

twenty, like, if we just go, were you glass

2:26

half full?

2:29

I I always figure there's a a

2:31

greater good somehow that we may not

2:33

be aware of. Right. Right.

2:35

I I hear you. I just gotta say

2:37

to you, Rob, because we're like peers. Yeah.

2:39

There are some peers. And all

2:41

your movies to me, like, your

2:44

movies took me through the eighties

2:46

in a profound epic

2:49

way that had, like, shaped me

2:51

from the outside of -- Yeah.

2:54

-- boy to the hotel in New Hampshire to

2:57

Saint Elmos. I mean, these

3:00

these iconic movies. Like,

3:02

I I just gotta go out of the gate and having

3:04

a conversation with you saying thank

3:06

you. Well, Bruce, you're coming from you

3:09

who use you talk to so many great

3:11

people on your podcast. I

3:12

mean, I mean, you get all the heavy

3:14

hitters. So for you to say that, that means

3:16

that means a ton

3:18

speaking of that, I would love you to be guest

3:20

on table for two.

3:22

And I'm yeah. That turnabout

3:24

is fair play.

3:25

It's a two way street. I'm -- Good. --

3:27

I am I am down to do it. I mean,

3:29

we've we've known each other sort of for

3:32

forever. You know, we would, you know, cross

3:34

paths and things like that. And tell

3:36

me so when my when my movies were out

3:38

in the eighties, Is that the

3:40

era you were working at the West

3:42

Hollywood Palm still? Was that under under

3:44

your purview?

3:46

No. That's earlier. So when when your

3:48

movies were coming out in the ladies.

3:50

Well, I was so those

3:51

are, like, my high school college.

3:52

Oh, okay. Right.

3:54

Yeah. So

3:54

we're still out there. Yep. I was there at latter

3:56

part. I was working at the Palm

3:58

and between on summers

4:01

out in Long Island and New York.

4:04

And in the early nineties is when I started

4:06

working when I was in college,

4:08

after college. For the West Hollywood

4:10

Palm. So you're hitting the the the Hampton's

4:13

Palm, though, during that time? Because that was

4:15

-- Yes. -- I shot a movie called Mask

4:17

Parade in the Hampton's. Yes.

4:19

You did in that big

4:21

house. In that big house, which I think

4:23

is downtown. Tilly. Tilly. Mck

4:25

Tilly. Mck Tilly. And I go, you know, I know

4:28

your career. You know, I know your

4:30

career. Yeah. I'm so impressed.

4:32

I love it. I love it.

4:35

Those were in my hard charging

4:38

days. And I have so many

4:40

moments in that took

4:42

place in the Palm restaurants. Really?

4:45

So many. I remember I'll give you

4:47

a little parade when little trip down

4:49

my lane. Yeah. Definitely love it.

4:51

One of them was Mike

4:53

Myers and I having

4:55

dinner and Chris Farley

4:59

had just died. And

5:03

Mike said they that

5:05

he's gonna take over for a movie that

5:07

Chris was halfway done doing its

5:10

animated movie. And

5:13

he had the life-sized

5:15

head of the character

5:18

he was gonna be playing with him at this at

5:20

on the table, and it was the head

5:22

of

5:22

Shrek. Wow.

5:25

That's kinda cool.

5:26

That's really cool.

5:28

I mean, I saw the the head

5:30

of Shrek. At the palm

5:32

before before anything.

5:35

That's super cool. One

5:37

other one, did you go when you were shooting in

5:39

East Hampton? Were you go? Was that like a place

5:41

you you guys would hang out with that? That was

5:43

a place. But but mostly the the

5:46

the LA Palm, the the old one on on

5:48

Santa Monica. I mean,

5:50

so many great stories. I mean, that was I

5:52

used to love I was I I remain

5:55

obsessed with the caricature

5:57

on the

5:57

wall. Right. Well,

6:00

yeah. So now let me be clear. So

6:02

I'd be remiss not to

6:04

let you know that in twenty twenty, the

6:06

palm went out of our families,

6:08

the two families because it was, like, a

6:10

major and it's amazing us

6:13

at ninety four years. Right. Right.

6:15

We really built something as two families and

6:17

I think it was magical. And like that,

6:19

people like yourself, always

6:21

when they see me say, oh my god, I

6:23

have these incredible stories

6:25

from, you know, really beautiful heartfelt stories.

6:27

And so now just for the anyone

6:29

who's listening because I did I just

6:32

So if I get a bad steak at the current palm,

6:34

it's not your

6:34

fault.

6:35

That's where that's where I'm going, Rob.

6:37

Well, well, actually, where I'm headed is. If

6:39

if my caricature gets bad placement

6:42

on the walls. Call

6:45

me up. I got it.

6:47

I know you have nothing to do with it now, but please

6:49

tell me I would buy a coffee

6:52

table book of the Palm Caricatures.

6:54

I know. It was you know what? It's

6:57

it was when we did

6:59

the when I and I wasn't, like,

7:01

I was in operation, so I was Palm West

7:03

in New York in the theater district. There

7:06

we did a cookbook, and I said

7:09

there should we should have

7:11

put together a book of characters

7:13

and sort of a whole narrative, and it didn't happen.

7:15

And, you know, and then

7:18

funny, you should say that because years

7:21

ago when West

7:23

Hollywood went south, we took them

7:25

off. And Robert Downey said,

7:28

You should do a whole art installation show

7:30

of these characters. Yes. Happen.

7:32

It was so traumatic and

7:34

everything. But I think there's I

7:36

guess that Are they saved? Do they exist

7:38

somewhere? Yeah. Well, some we gave

7:40

and some might have. I wonder where yours is.

7:42

I might have yours. If you didn't get it

7:44

back, I might have yours because you were in West Hollywood.

7:46

Yeah.

7:46

I didn't get it back, and I and I loved my placement.

7:49

Yeah. Okay. It was it was it was

7:52

it was not it was sneaky,

7:54

a list real estate. Yeah. It was not

7:56

in the main dining room. It was not

7:59

on it, but it was when you went to

8:01

the

8:01

bathroom. You could

8:03

not go to the bathroom without looking directly

8:05

at me. Yes. And isn't that

8:07

a joy? Isn't it? Yeah.

8:10

I mean, look, with the one in New York

8:12

when I really because that

8:13

was, like, my baby where I was really

8:16

put the placement was so fun

8:18

What about this? How did you make the decision?

8:20

I'm so obsessed with this. I could do it.

8:22

I literally could do an entire podcast over

8:25

this. How did you decide,

8:27

you know what? He's been dead for fifteen years. Nobody

8:29

we it's time to put Leonardo to Caprio up

8:31

here or whatever.

8:32

Well, it's interesting. So look, right. So the

8:34

room tells a story. It becomes this narrative.

8:37

It becomes like a a time capsule.

8:39

Yes. And then it gets to a point

8:41

where if you're too far out, you're right. This generation

8:43

of people don't even know who these people

8:45

are. You play, it's a little

8:47

dangerous because when you if you take someone

8:49

down and, like, they still have family

8:52

that you don't realize. Oh.

8:54

Oh, yes. And they're,

8:56

like, yes. Use me.

8:59

Like, you just you know,

9:01

so that's a little

9:02

tricky. And then and that yeah.

9:05

So it was always How quickly how quickly

9:07

do you take people down when when

9:09

they pretty clearly have

9:12

perpetrated a double mark? How quickly

9:14

did OJ come? He came down very

9:16

quick. And his his was huge. Do you remember

9:18

how big OJ's caricature was?

9:21

It was right over that, like, four booths

9:24

center, like, you know, the the listener

9:26

and understand. His came down pretty

9:28

quick because somebody put a steak

9:31

knife in his head who won the

9:33

cupboarders. Right in the center of his

9:35

head. Alright. So it was

9:37

clear

9:38

Yep. The people were talking, and

9:41

it was time to take him

9:42

down. Audience had spoken about. My audience has

9:44

spoken because, well, I you know, part of

9:46

me is of course,

9:48

someone, you know part of me feels

9:50

like when you're up, you're up there and that's

9:53

part of, like, the story.

9:55

And take people down even,

9:57

like, you know, perpetrators of

9:59

putting OJ aside because

10:01

that's something very specific. But let's

10:03

say, you were

10:05

part of, like, a white collar crime and you stole

10:08

money from people. Like, do we had

10:10

couples forget about it. Once they got divorced,

10:12

it was in a divorce

10:13

agreement. You you get your

10:15

picture taken down from the bomb, not me. I mean,

10:17

it was crazy.

10:19

That is the greatest thing I've ever heard, which I hadn't

10:21

even thought about. Yeah. No. So that was one. When

10:23

I did Palm in New York, Donna Hanover

10:25

was married to Giuliani. I mean,

10:27

please, this was nineteen ninety nine. Yep.

10:29

And I was put there were nineteen

10:31

couples put up all, like, cheek to cheek,

10:34

and Donna, and Raguda,

10:36

were, like, ten feet apart.

10:39

And then at the time, it was very noticeable because

10:41

there wasn't, you know, there wasn't

10:43

a lot of faces. So page six called

10:45

me up, and they said, so come on. Give

10:47

me give me this skinny. Why are they not?

10:49

And I said, you know, I don't know what she's talking about. And

10:51

they're like, yeah, you do. I go. I don't know what she's talking about.

10:54

Meanwhile, her office had said, I'll be

10:56

up on your wall. I don't wanna be anywhere

10:58

near him. And this is before they announced they

11:00

were getting

11:01

divorced. So, you know, so inside info.

11:04

It's it's the absolute greatest. And

11:06

and I I also loved,

11:08

like, seeing the character actors --

11:10

Yeah. -- that that, you know,

11:13

it it just it just was you'd see

11:15

a ginormous star next to a character

11:17

actor next to and the other thing I like is when you go

11:19

to the palm and the Palms in

11:22

outside of New York and LA in in the smaller

11:24

cities. And you see their

11:26

version of --

11:27

Yes. -- of their of the glitterati Yeah.

11:31

You know, Philadelphia or whatever. Right.

11:33

Exactly. Like, you're in Charlotte and you're like,

11:35

oh, so that's what's going on. So it was

11:37

it was a total bummer when it all

11:39

went south, but I'm very thankful

11:41

for the thirty years that I worked during my career,

11:43

plus my family, and the whole shebang.

11:46

But And it taught me a lot, and I met incredible people

11:49

like yourself and many other people that we

11:51

enter I think that I have picture of us,

11:53

you and I, and I meant was searching

11:55

for it. And we are under

11:57

the characters in

12:00

the foothills of Sherry Lansing,

12:03

Amy Pascal, and

12:06

the age super shoe mangers. -- shoe mangers.

12:08

Yeah. That's some women power right

12:10

there. Tree.

12:11

That's a power tree. That's true. And it was done

12:13

like Charlie's angels. So you have one

12:15

like, you know. Oh, I remember I

12:17

read no. Yes. Yes. Yes. I remember

12:19

we that I remember when we took that photo.

12:22

Yeah. Yeah. It's just like,

12:24

I remember that. That

12:26

was, like, a cool thing to do. I wish I could just carve

12:28

that whole thing out and take it. But I did

12:30

take a bunch of them when I left

12:33

because because I had ones with,

12:35

like, Valerie Harper and

12:37

Sammy Davis junior autograph.

12:39

So, like, that's, like, oh my god, Robert Wagner

12:43

and Natalie Wood. I mean, come on. Fairfax

12:45

Lee Majors. To this day, Lee

12:47

Majors calls asking for that. And I'm like,

12:50

no, dude. Like, it's a piece because once you take

12:52

it off and you frame it and mount

12:53

it, They're quite cool. And so Super

12:56

cool. It's funny you say that speaking of restaurants

12:58

and remember when Spago was

13:00

the

13:01

like, VVV when it was above sunset?

13:04

Like This is now we're talking in nineteen

13:06

eighties. Yeah. Bam, we're coming out with all my favorite

13:08

movies and everywhere you

13:10

looked, there was a movie star like yourself there.

13:12

Baga was and and

13:14

every single famous person in the world was there.

13:17

And I will never forget seeing

13:19

Lee Majors no. I'm sorry.

13:21

It wasn't Lee. I see that. It was

13:24

it was Ryan O'Neil and Farrah. Yes.

13:26

Ryan O'Neil and Farrah. Walked in

13:29

and they were the most beautiful couple I

13:31

had ever seen in my

13:32

life. I I have seen a lot of things in my life.

13:34

It was nuts. Yep.

13:37

It was crazy. I was at our

13:39

night where they both it was the night before because

13:41

Oscars used to happen in the eighties, as you

13:43

know. Night before that weekend.

13:46

I was there. It was

13:48

when they walked in, it was

13:51

show stopper. It was, like, you know, they

13:54

were it was something very special in

13:56

that room and was overlooking sunset Boulevard

13:58

and it had patio chairs and

14:00

you know, Wolfgang, who's a genius. He

14:02

thinks he's a genius at what he does. Really,

14:05

it was

14:06

unrivaled. And that places, like,

14:08

I think, still Nothing's

14:10

there. Nothing's there. Why?

14:12

How can that be? All of the history,

14:15

it clearly is a location that

14:16

works. Yeah. What? How has no

14:18

one figured out something like that there?

14:21

I

14:21

don't know. And if you recall because this is

14:23

a big thing for those of us who live there. Like, there was

14:25

parking. They had all parking lot in the

14:27

front. No idea because

14:29

this guy started a whole Well,

14:31

maybe you and I may need to crack this together.

14:33

I would I would I'm open I'm open to that. We

14:35

might have to open something there. And so I'm

14:38

saying. Yeah. Let's let's figure

14:40

out something to do there. That's just it's it's just

14:42

waiting. It's

14:45

it's begging for This

14:47

this also tells you how quaint it was

14:49

how long ago. It was the

14:51

only place in LA, the only

14:53

place

14:55

where you knew the paparazzi would

14:57

be every night. Yep. The only

14:59

place. That's it. It

15:01

was like AAA

15:04

lightning storm when people would leave.

15:06

You know, the light, the sky would just light up.

15:08

You're right. It was and

15:10

then Bernard was the

15:12

host. I don't know if you remember Bernard?

15:14

Yes. But the nicest and

15:16

sweatiest, man. Really?

15:21

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Very very very nervous. Always

15:23

always very, very you know, It's

15:25

a it's a hard job.

15:26

Right. Right. So, I mean,

15:28

like, what would so, like, that at that time,

15:30

you were you were all you

15:32

were hitting in all these movies, like, Who is

15:34

who is that Rob when you would come in? Like, were

15:36

you that was that wild

15:37

party, Rob?

15:38

Well, I

15:38

was like This is like when you know

15:40

you have real Hollywood Cloud. I

15:43

would go to Spago when it

15:45

was closed and they would open it. Oh,

15:47

whoa. Wow. Yeah.

15:50

I I remember vaguely taking

15:52

to me more on

15:55

a date there

15:57

before Saint Elmo's

15:59

Fire before she was cast and Saint Elmo's

16:02

Fire. Really? And that was

16:04

like, I know. It's time to go to

16:06

Spago.

16:08

Love that story. Like, I feel like I've learned

16:10

something. I mean, Bayhouse

16:13

had a great spot to a story where Wait.

16:14

Wait. Wait. You took to me and and did

16:17

did you you dated her for

16:19

a while? Is that Yes. Yes. Yes.

16:21

We we we had a a couple

16:23

of run

16:23

ins. And and

16:26

Spaga played a big part in it. I

16:28

just remember you, you know, the

16:30

night and Saint Elmos, you

16:32

know, the Jeep I think

16:34

she did. The Jeep. The Jeep.

16:37

So I I remember filming that scene

16:39

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I had a good night at Spago with

18:13

dinner. This is my table at Spago.

18:15

Andrew McCarthy, Patrick

18:18

Swazzy. Melissa

18:20

Gilbert, Liza Miniele.

18:24

Okay. Wait a minute. Like, it's

18:26

like that sesame

18:27

Street. Like, we're one of those things is not like

18:29

the other. Exactly. Totally. Right?

18:31

Yeah. How did that happen? Like, you have

18:33

all my eighties icon. And then, oh,

18:36

what

18:36

lies? And and the best was Liza had

18:39

was fresh out of rehab. Yeah. And

18:43

and and ended that winning streak that

18:45

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18:47

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18:49

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18:51

lies is gonna sound like Jim Durranti, if

18:53

I do it. I'm just telling you, by the way,

18:55

nobody has more current references than me.

18:58

Why is Minelle? Jimmy Durranti? No

19:02

no one's more current than I am, obviously. And

19:06

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19:08

Sammy's house. And

19:11

that was that was my attempt at Liza.

19:14

Anyway,

19:15

you have to now say, I know who you're talking

19:17

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19:19

you have to reference the Sammy. Sammy

19:21

Davis junior. Come on, there's only one Sammy.

19:23

Well, that's true.

19:24

There's only one Sammy. Yes.

19:27

You're right.

19:28

And and I had never met

19:30

Sammy And I was like, wait a minute. I'm

19:32

going with Liza Manelli to Sammy Davis junior's

19:35

house with Andrew

19:37

McCarthy. And

19:40

and and Swazzy bailed, I could think. But

19:42

we all we went up to to to Sammy's

19:45

and I I shot cool with him and he was

19:47

so charming and just wonderful and

19:50

it was a

19:50

great, great, great Hollywood memory

19:53

of a not talk about another era. I mean,

19:55

another era of class because you were you know,

19:57

we all we grew up when people weren't

19:59

taking pictures with their phone. So You're having

20:01

that. It's just, like, you're living your life.

20:03

And now granted when you stepped outside, you

20:06

were being photographed, but when you went inside,

20:08

you just could experience the

20:10

intimacy of

20:11

that, which how good? How

20:13

happy are we that we grew up then?

20:16

Come in. I I've thought about

20:19

it a lot. And that like, people say, if you could live

20:21

in any era, what era would you live

20:23

in? Right?

20:23

And may

20:26

maybe if I were had different

20:28

interests and had a different job. There might

20:30

be other areas I would I would wanna live in.

20:33

But as an actor, For

20:36

sure, I lived in the right era. Yep.

20:38

There's no doubt. By the way, I wouldn't wanna live in

20:40

you earlier. I wouldn't wanna live in

20:42

you later. Like -- No. -- I wanna

20:44

be famous in the

20:46

eighties. Yeah. Not not the

20:48

sixties? Wait. Not not the seventies,

20:51

not the nineties. Yep. I'm famous

20:53

in the eighties. I fully get what

20:55

you're saying. You were famous in the eighties. It

20:57

was a great decade to be famous and a

20:59

great decade to be an

21:00

actor. In the movies coming

21:02

Yeah. First of all, movies were real movies.

21:04

Yep. Real movies. Not what what I

21:06

don't know what it is today, but it's nothing

21:09

I recognize as the movies. Yep. And

21:12

you had the right amount of privacy. You

21:14

had, like, use you could live your life. Nobody was

21:16

taking secret pictures of you and it

21:18

was more innocent. It was just a more innocent time.

21:21

And super so I'm

21:23

so grateful. I feel for people

21:25

today who who didn't didn't have that

21:27

that that part of

21:30

the two way street that is fame?

21:32

I agree. Of all of the movies that you

21:34

did in that time, was there one that stands out

21:36

as just your favorite

21:39

Some of them stand up for different reasons. Yeah.

21:41

You know, the outsiders, because it

21:43

was cupola and such a great

21:45

group of young man and it was

21:47

an important

21:48

movie. It was a teen movie, but it was Coppola,

21:50

so it was still important.

21:52

Oh, it was in effect all adolescence,

21:54

then that's what we wore. It was a very important

21:56

movie to see. And

21:57

that that doesn't happen, particularly for teen

21:59

movies. Yeah. They don't have the kind of

22:01

prestige around them. So that

22:03

that was good. Sonoma isn't about

22:05

last night for sure. I mean, about

22:08

last night is my favorite of of all the ones I

22:10

did in that era. For for because I it it it

22:12

holds up. It was a David Mammoth play,

22:14

originally. So the writing is

22:16

spectacular. Demi has

22:18

never been better than that. She

22:20

was

22:20

amazing. You were amazing. The transformation of

22:22

the character, believe she

22:24

was great. Oh, Elizabeth Perkins. Amazing.

22:28

I mean, just she caused it

22:30

fun. She came in and read

22:32

and is the first time that it's ever happened to

22:34

me. It

22:36

might it it's maybe having once or twice since, but

22:38

not more often, where you come in and you read

22:41

someone and you

22:41

go, we're done here.

22:43

Really? We're done here. That's it. She like,

22:46

done. Like, not even

22:48

a question, not even a look to the other people

22:50

and

22:51

they're, like, cancel cancel everybody

22:53

else who's coming in. You know,

22:55

it's funny because I I, you know,

22:57

on table for two, which, you know, we'll talk little

22:59

bit about what like, so I just

23:02

last week George Clooney and Julia

23:04

Roberts, it dropped and we

23:06

did it. We talked about chemistry. And,

23:08

you know, when chemistry happens

23:11

between people. And in that movie,

23:13

there was such chemistry between the four of

23:15

you and the two of you as best

23:17

friends and best friends. Yeah. It

23:19

was really, like, a interesting just

23:22

dance. It was great. Like, you don't find

23:24

that. You don't see that that often. No. They're

23:27

Jimmy and and and Elizabeth crush.

23:30

Absolutely crushing.

23:32

You know who people forgets in the movie

23:34

is Meghan Malawi. She is

23:37

Megan on the lally has blonde

23:39

hair. K. And she's

23:41

the one who has that great moment where

23:44

Demi's friends are sort of taking the piss

23:46

out of a girl that's flirting

23:48

with me at the bar

23:49

and, like, oh, Here comes her big move. The

23:51

hair flip with a giggle. Oh,

23:53

yeah. And then

23:54

they hold up the napkins. Ten point o. Ten

23:56

Yes.

23:56

That's Meghan Malawi. It's

24:00

great. I did not know that.

24:01

Yeah. And I

24:03

remember the scene.

24:04

Hairflip hairflip with a giggle,

24:07

right,

24:07

with a Ten point five degree of difficulty.

24:11

Yeah. Julia, Julia and Julia

24:13

and old

24:14

Clooney, they've got some serious chemistry. Yeah.

24:16

They talked about it and it was like, you know, and

24:19

like George said, it's like that

24:21

thing when you know someone's a movie star,

24:23

but you can't explain why they just

24:25

have it. And it's like the thing with chemistry.

24:27

You just really can't put words to it.

24:29

It just exists. So then I asked,

24:32

Julia. So what happens when it's not there?

24:34

And she goes, oh, you know, oh, well, I mean, I wouldn't

24:36

know about that, and then she starts laughing because,

24:38

obviously, everybody has that

24:40

experience. But it is really interesting

24:42

to see when it sparks.

24:45

What's the movie that they did that's one of my favorite

24:47

movies where they were like white collar crime

24:49

spies?

24:52

Not the oceans movies. No.

24:54

No. Sorry. It's Clive Owen. It's not George.

24:56

It's Clive Owen.

24:58

Now we have to think about this, this is Scott. So

25:01

she also did closer with him,

25:03

which is a closer by closer

25:05

is one of my favorite movies. Right? Amity

25:07

is

25:08

heartful. Amazing. Amazing.

25:11

Like, you can't get over it.

25:13

How amazing it is. And yet again,

25:15

all the nuances of time And

25:17

if something if you take a right or a

25:19

left, I mean, when he comes home from that trip,

25:21

and she's oh, even him,

25:24

it's It's a great it's

25:25

yeah. And

25:26

the and the movie was thinking about with

25:29

with Julia and Clyburn as duplicity.

25:32

Yep. Oh,

25:34

yeah. A great movie.

25:36

I mean, again, I

25:38

mean, I don't know. What so what do you think about

25:40

movies? Today. Like, with

25:42

You don't stop working. No.

25:44

You know, I I mean, I think the good thing is

25:46

is that there's that that more

25:49

than ever work is work is work

25:51

is work. And sure

25:53

that there was a the golden

25:55

age of movies or movies or movies, but

25:58

then that was also the time when people

26:00

looked down on television. And now,

26:02

you know, you can have precision good and

26:05

bad in any platform. Yep.

26:07

Any platform. Yeah. So so it's it's it's

26:09

more democratic. Is that the word I'm looking

26:11

for in a way? I don't know. But

26:14

I was with your husband at the premiere

26:16

of once upon a

26:18

time in Hollywood and we we saw ourselves just

26:21

watching the the the red carpet and

26:24

and like and he just we're both feeling

26:26

something, but we couldn't really put our couldn't

26:29

really articulate it and just turn to me and said, you

26:31

know

26:31

what? It's a real

26:33

movie premiere. Right. Yeah.

26:36

And I was like, it is that's

26:38

what the fuck this is. Yeah.

26:41

Because it was for a real movie too.

26:43

It was a real movie with an

26:45

tour, with a with a director who

26:47

meant something -- Yep. -- with a

26:49

cast who meant something -- Mhmm.

26:52

-- and it was an an original,

26:55

not a based on a cartoon character

26:57

or a or a reboot,

26:59

it was a real movie.

27:01

Yeah. That movie in particular, but

27:03

you're right. And it's like when you notice

27:05

it, like, because it's changed so much.

27:07

Because movies have changed so much. So movies in

27:09

our streaming and and it's confusing

27:12

and whoa, who's a movie star?

27:14

What's a movie star? We we knew that growing

27:16

up. You know, we grew up at a time watching the

27:18

Oscars and you saw Jess delaying, and you saw

27:20

him barrels Street, and you saw you saw

27:22

the same group of and and you didn't see

27:24

him every

27:25

day. And even with Maverick this summer,

27:27

like, that was a big

27:29

movie that people wanted to sort of enjoy

27:31

and see. But he is the last movie, sir.

27:34

I I I'm I'm loving watching him do all these

27:36

amazing stunts, and Tom

27:38

Cruise is now shooting the International Space

27:40

Station, his next movie apparently. Really?

27:43

Yeah. He's gonna he's gonna

27:45

shoot in space, walking in space.

27:48

Man's insane. He's insane. And you know,

27:50

I was there when it started. I remember when

27:52

Francis Fort Coppola said to all of us.

27:55

Whatever reason, Francis had it in his head that we

27:57

were as greasers we would be

27:59

good at being gymnasts.

28:01

I'm not sure Francis is I I

28:03

have friends are working on megawatt plus right

28:05

now with with Francis, and he's still

28:07

doing the same stuff. Like, that kind

28:10

of thinking where you're like, I don't really know, but

28:12

whatever. He's friends for a couple, so he must

28:14

know. But he had it in his head that, like,

28:17

the grocers in the outside should also be

28:19

gymnasts. So we

28:21

had to take tumbling classes

28:24

and work on the parallel beams

28:26

at the University of Tulsa and Have

28:29

you ever tried to learn a standing backflip? No.

28:32

It's gnarly. It's gnarly. You feel like

28:34

you're gonna you're gonna end up in a wheelchair.

28:37

Yeah. And I wasn't good at

28:39

it nor did I want to be good at it. Well,

28:40

wait a minute. So you're talking about one of the rumble

28:42

scenes that you needed to because it was still choreographed?

28:45

Like, when? I have no idea what the thinking

28:47

was. He never articulated it to us. Because

28:49

that was the rumble was a whole other thing. That

28:51

was a whole stunned thing. So I

28:53

remember the only person who took it really super

28:55

seriously was Tom. Right.

28:58

And Tom Cruise learned how to do a standing

29:00

back flip. And if you have watched the outsiders

29:02

again, in the middle of the movie for no

29:04

reason, literally for no reason.

29:07

We kinda stop and Tom

29:09

jumps up on a car and does back flip and then

29:11

the movie continues. But,

29:13

like, I I'm like, oh, so that's

29:15

where this so it starts with a backflip

29:17

and it ends with walking in fucking space.

29:21

It's amazing. That's what makes

29:23

Tom, Tom. That's right. That will be

29:25

really wrong. When you think about all of

29:28

you guys that really went on to have

29:30

amazing careers is sort of

29:32

like brought together. That and talk about

29:34

that chemistry. That was wild.

29:37

We had real chemistry. Because,

29:39

you know, we we auditioned for

29:43

months and months and months. And

29:45

it was like, super competitive

29:47

and we all watched each other do it. Francis wanted

29:49

us all to see each other do it. So it's

29:51

like you wanted to kill everybody, but you also they

29:54

were your brothers. It was like, interesting competition,

29:56

love thing. And, you know, by the time

29:58

we did the movie, we were we felt like we'd been through

30:00

the trenches. And and to this day, whenever any

30:02

of us see each other, it's it's like The

30:05

only thing I can I can compare it to that

30:07

the people might relate to is, like, when you run

30:09

into your fraternity brothers or

30:11

sororities to her? We've really

30:14

been through it

30:14

with. Like, it doesn't matter what's happened in

30:16

your life. You're like, oh, okay. Oh,

30:19

yeah. You know what I mean? Right. We were

30:21

there at that moment. It's like high school in

30:23

a weird way. You know what I mean? It's like those four

30:25

years. It's like, they're so

30:27

they're so important. And as

30:29

many years that go past, it's like

30:32

they they just define who you are and

30:34

they all and like like you

30:36

said, you just are always connected. It's

30:39

your your stepdaughter, Billy Lord

30:41

-- Yes. -- who has carried Fisher's

30:43

daughter -- Yes. --

30:46

you look at what her

30:49

era of show business is. Right?

30:51

And you see it's completely a different path

30:54

Totally. Completely different.

30:56

And and I actually think there's pros and cons. And,

30:58

you know, we started this interview by saying I'm a glass

31:01

half full guy. And I think Part

31:03

of it is is that I find the good

31:05

in everything and there's a there are

31:07

lots of things about coming up today

31:09

where I'm sure I'm glad I'm not coming

31:11

up today. Really glad.

31:13

On the other hand, there are

31:15

some elements of it that are a lot better

31:18

than when I came up, but it's really

31:20

different. Give me an example of better. Better

31:25

is there's more the

31:27

volume of opportunity. Okay.

31:30

There are more jobs. Right. So

31:33

-- Yeah. -- they're more like,

31:35

if you connect even a little

31:38

Right. You're

31:38

gonna get a job. You

31:40

should be working.

31:41

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe not

31:43

all the time, but

31:45

like, there's a lot of work. Now you're

31:48

hundred percent

31:48

right. The amount of TV shows that are on

31:50

every sort of platform. So that's

31:53

I guess that's a that's a positive if

31:55

you're an actor you wanna work. The

31:58

negative to that for me is

32:01

the exclusivity of

32:03

watching, like, when growing up

32:05

and the knowing who

32:08

my actors were and the movies and

32:10

the limited amount, there's something very

32:12

special about the limited amount. You know?

32:14

Yes. And and and the profound

32:16

effect as a result of that. Look,

32:19

I could tell you, and this is

32:21

when I'll go when you sit with me and we

32:23

have lunch, it I'll I'll

32:25

ask really specific questions. But, like,

32:27

the fact that I can remember, I was on seventy first

32:29

Street and Third Avenue, and I saw Hotel New Hampshire,

32:32

there's a reason that that

32:34

movie, I can tell you, you know, like, that's where

32:36

I think things get lost now. People,

32:38

the specialness of oh,

32:41

I remember where I was when I saw that movie

32:43

because I wasn't seeing something every day.

32:45

We were fortunate to grow up and you were fortunate

32:47

to be in the career you're doing during that time.

32:50

And for someone like Billy, yeah,

32:52

you might have more work opportunities and

32:55

and and Ryan, like, someone

32:57

like Ryan Murphy who's so amazing and he's

32:59

doing such great work for the LGBTQ

33:01

plus community in representation, and

33:03

he has big platform. It's

33:05

just it's you know, and maybe we're

33:07

just getting

33:08

old. So it's a little bit like, looked at it

33:10

this way. He did his his

33:12

he he didn't I don't think it quite did

33:15

what he would have liked to, but his movie he did

33:17

with Merrill prom. Like, that would have

33:19

been a big deal

33:21

-- Yep. -- in our era.

33:24

Oh, yeah. I mean, things could bomb and

33:26

did all the time. But

33:28

if you had the right auspices around it, it

33:31

was gonna make some sort of an impact

33:33

just by virtue of the

33:34

auspices. That's no longer true. Did

33:36

you have a favorite I'm

33:39

not yours. Like, if you go

33:41

back in your

33:41

head, you go favorite movie.

33:43

Favorite movie of all time. Like

33:45

Of of of of just not one

33:47

of my movies, but my favorite movie of all

33:49

time. Yeah. Just a movie that you're like, Oh, yeah. And

33:51

again, you remember where you where you saw it. I mean,

33:53

I was very lucky to know Erwin

33:55

Winkler. I think Erwin's still alive.

33:58

And I ran into when

34:00

in I was walking down the it's it

34:02

sounds very romantic. I was walking into the show and music.

34:04

That is true. And there was Irwin.

34:06

And I said, what are you doing in Paris? I was throwing

34:09

masquerade. And

34:11

he goes, it's funny. I'm about to go see a cut

34:13

of the movie I just finished with Marty.

34:16

Do you wanna go? And

34:18

I went with Erwin and saw

34:20

Marty's cut of

34:23

Goodfellas. Oh,

34:25

wow. And

34:27

Yeah. I've never recovered. It's my favorite

34:29

movie of all time. Yeah.

34:31

From the from the second it starts from the

34:33

second it starts. Second it starts.

34:35

You're like, so

34:37

pulled in. That's a good one. I

34:39

mean, it was it was a it would, you know,

34:41

it's it's so ins

34:43

people forget how influential that movie is

34:45

because so many of the filmmaking

34:48

techniques have been aked by

34:50

everybody that it comes by

34:52

all. But, like, when when they

34:54

did that sequence to the to

34:56

layla, where they discover the bodies

34:58

--

34:58

Mhmm. -- that great clapton song, that

35:01

had never been done before. No. And

35:03

of course, the Sopranos then did it every

35:04

episode. Right. And which is great. And I love

35:06

it. And and that's on and on and on and, you

35:08

know, they do it. Dummer. People do

35:10

it. People use music, but Marty started

35:12

it. And that was the first time. It was amazing.

35:14

And that and that movie wasn't that the movie,

35:16

Rob, where it was that one shot

35:19

that he cuts

35:20

through, walking through the whole --

35:21

Yes. -- and

35:22

to go find the way. Yeah.

35:23

Then we did that on the west wing every week.

35:26

Right. We did our walk in talks. Right.

35:28

We we and, yeah, go

35:30

to the Copa Cabana. Yeah. And

35:33

when you look at it and when you look at it now,

35:35

Clive Owen must be in the ether. If you look

35:37

at Clive Owen's movie children of men,

35:40

they're way longer. Oneers,

35:43

we call them. Shot's done in

35:44

one. Way longer. Really?

35:46

Oh, watch children of men. There there are

35:49

eight and nine minute wonders. That's

35:52

amazing. But you know what the the do you know what the differences?

35:54

In Goodfella's, it's

35:57

designed to wow you

35:59

and it's designed for you

36:01

to go, oh my god. They haven't cut. Oh

36:03

my god. They haven't cut. Oh my god. This one.

36:06

In the other one, which is even more

36:07

sophisticated, by my line of thinking,

36:10

it's designed so you don't notice --

36:11

Right. --

36:12

which is a whole other level of sophistication. Completely.

36:16

Yes. You know what I mean? It's like not

36:18

rubbing it in your face. Right.

36:20

I but I I love I love filmic. I love

36:22

all all of that stuff, and I miss it. Because

36:25

it it used to be you could go on any Friday

36:27

and find some element of it, and it just

36:29

is not really the case so much

36:31

anymore. Yeah.

36:31

Well, that's another thing you bring up I think

36:34

was. The romance of a Friday night opening?

36:36

Yes. Remember Friday night openings? Yeah.

36:39

It was a big deal, you know. You saw

36:41

the the trailer, the trailer and was

36:43

like, this was a this was a plan and

36:46

you were going to a Friday night overview of a movie.

36:48

It was just, like, waiting online.

36:50

I can't remember all the Woody Allen movies,

36:52

all those are, you know, throughout you're just

36:54

like, yeah. This is big deals.

36:56

Now we've lost that a little bit.

36:59

It's and and it's

37:02

like, can you imagine what it would have been like to

37:04

see John

37:07

Wayne. Walking

37:09

out of Starbucks on TMZ.

37:15

No. Can can you imagine

37:17

Kerry Grant coming out of a spinning

37:20

class? You're

37:22

afraid. It would have been a Right.

37:23

Do you know what I'm

37:24

saying? Yeah. Die. Okay.

37:26

Let's think what would be the worst by the way, I think

37:28

those are two pretty good examples. But

37:30

is the what would be the worst, most

37:33

demoralizing example

37:35

of that? Grace

37:38

Kelly, coming

37:40

out of her dentist's office maybe?

37:42

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

37:45

Yes. Like, with with bandage,

37:47

like, in

37:48

Yeah. Yeah.

37:49

I can't talk.

37:50

Right. Do you see how quickly we've

37:52

debased the greatest stars in the world? It

37:54

doesn't take much. Maryland Monroe

37:56

coming out of, like, Costco?

38:00

Erwan.

38:01

Erwan. Like, your celebrity shop

38:03

too. Right? Yeah. Yeah. She's just, like, stars

38:05

are just like us. Let's see. Well,

38:08

by the way, there you you wonder why? There it is.

38:11

Like, somebody came up with idea of no. No.

38:13

No. No. Wait a minute. This all star thing?

38:15

Yeah. Wait. Wait a minute. Fuck that. Stars

38:17

are just like us. Well, congratulations. Now

38:19

they are.

38:21

And you wonder too, I think why a lot

38:23

of these award shows have trouble keeping an

38:25

audience is because this

38:27

generation doesn't see it in the

38:29

same way. Like, that's when we saw our

38:31

stars. You know, we saw them

38:33

those nights. All glitched

38:35

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38:38

you amazed at, like, that whole thing became

38:40

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38:42

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38:44

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38:46

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38:48

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38:50

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38:52

remember very vividly. Very

38:54

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38:56

first time I was aware of

38:59

somebody saying, what are you wearing tonight? Because

39:03

it went from how do you feel about your

39:05

chances? How was it making the movie?

39:08

Yeah. Have you talked to any of your the

39:10

people in your category? Like, those are the questions

39:12

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39:15

it was, what are you wearing

39:16

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39:18

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39:22

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Here's the other thing I think. And and and

41:08

and what I make up is that

41:09

the stars of yesteryear had

41:13

a little bit better sense

41:15

of the room. Overall.

41:18

I could be wrong and it could just

41:20

be a function of they didn't do that many

41:23

interviews, they didn't tweet, they

41:25

weren't on Instagram, so

41:28

you maybe didn't know

41:29

their

41:31

shortcomings to the extent that they had any.

41:33

Yeah. But I feel

41:36

now a lot of times when I

41:39

see sometimes

41:41

when I see other actors, by

41:43

actors, I mean, that male, female actors

41:46

who act. Like,

41:50

IIII feel like I'm not

41:52

sure that they have

41:54

what they do in the proper perspective

41:57

in terms of the world.

42:00

Okay.

42:00

And I think that rightfully

42:03

rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

42:06

So if you broke that down just a little bit

42:08

more specific for me. So meaning that

42:10

they think that they're doing something that's more

42:12

important? Or do they or reading,

42:15

like, the distinction between

42:17

the older generation reading the

42:19

room versus the inability?

42:22

Look, I think the more egregious ones

42:24

probably do think they're doing something more important.

42:27

But I don't really think it's bad. III

42:30

think there's just a sort of

42:32

sometimes AAA

42:35

lack of implicit

42:38

understanding

42:40

that we dress

42:43

up for a living and

42:46

yes, what we do is important because

42:48

storytelling, I think, is it actually is one

42:50

of the most important things that human beings can do.

42:53

I agree. And we wouldn't have survived as a

42:55

species by the way without it. Yep. Wouldn't have

42:57

survived that

42:57

storytelling. Right. The person who was able

42:59

to impart to the other caveman -- Yep.

43:02

The most

43:02

dramatic version of don't go into

43:04

that forest because it's tiger -- Yep.

43:06

-- super important thing. Yep.

43:08

So I'm in in no way negating

43:10

the important of storytelling and how beloved

43:13

and necessary it is. But

43:15

there are also other things -- Mhmm. --

43:18

that are equally important. And

43:22

that are done without with much

43:24

less fanfare,

43:26

much less payment --

43:28

Yes.

43:29

-- much less accolades. And

43:32

III just feel

43:35

that sometimes I I feel

43:38

I don't know. Maybe it's that that it's

43:41

people who've lived a life of of of

43:43

of rarefied air for too long. I just don't

43:45

I just don't

43:46

know, but there's an element of that that ice,

43:48

maybe it's that I'm older. Now, and I have

43:50

more of a perspective. I think it is, and

43:52

I think it's also this perspective as

43:54

a result of that. So, and I think and I'm and I'll

43:57

bring up, you know, so I asked

43:59

Julia, if there was anybody she wanted

44:02

to or what she could have worked with. And

44:04

she she talks a little bit about Catherine Heppert,

44:06

but she really talks about meeting Audri

44:09

Hepburn, which then leads into,

44:11

like, what and she was quite surprised on how she

44:13

met Audrey Hepburn and they were on a flight.

44:16

And Archie eventually she

44:18

misses her in the sort of the

44:20

customs line because she assumes they're gonna

44:22

be in the same one. She's so but, of course,

44:24

Audrey and Prasad has a different passport.

44:27

And then the severance comes

44:29

up to her and it's a whole thing, and then eventually turns

44:31

into her

44:33

receiving and because Audrey

44:35

sick at the that time, but nobody really knew

44:37

and agreed to a lifetime achievement

44:40

award. I am Gregory Pack,

44:42

introduces Julia. So it's like it's like a

44:44

a moment. And then -- Mhmm. -- Colonial is talking

44:46

about Gregory Pack. I think what you're

44:48

saying what I'm hearing a little bit is there

44:50

was an elegance and a

44:52

quietness

44:55

to Audrey Hepburn's work in UNICEF in

44:58

how to receive an award. How

45:00

humility? There was a humility.

45:02

Yes. And I think that is something that

45:04

now the younger generation and who, you know,

45:06

it's just it's just

45:07

different. Like, good or bad, and, you know,

45:10

it's just different. Yeah. Listen, I I just

45:12

I just did a a podcast with Stephen a Smith,

45:14

who's the great sports commentator.

45:17

And we were talking about this in in in it

45:19

is. It's different. We're talking about the why the NBA

45:21

is different today. Why sports

45:23

is different. It's more in your face.

45:25

It's more loud and and

45:27

it's not bad. It's not it's it's just it is different.

45:30

I really III don't wanna end up, like,

45:32

sounding like, you know, the meme of the old

45:34

man on, you know, cursing

45:36

at the clouds because -- Yeah. -- that is

45:38

not that is not me

45:40

at

45:40

all, but it's a different time. No.

45:43

No. That is not you at all. If there was somebody

45:45

you could have worked with or met of

45:47

that period, is there somebody that comes to

45:49

mind? Yes. I'll I'll never forget.

45:53

So does this drive you crazy

45:55

people who do this? This is the this

45:58

is not a Tom cruise story. And I love

46:00

it, false modesty drives me berserk. I'm

46:02

like a big bragger. I have the number one movie

46:04

on

46:05

Netflix. It's a stupid dog movie. It's the number one

46:07

movie. I'm gonna tell everybody

46:08

as you should. I mean, I'm telling everybody.

46:10

Okay. I've done dog movies in our own movie. Okay.

46:12

Come on. I'm not gonna be there's no false modesty

46:15

in me. Right. It's no because I like to think there's

46:17

no false misunderstanding. Right. Yep. But that's

46:19

another thing. But because I'll never forget

46:21

we're young actors, you know, we're

46:23

still on the up and up trying to grind being

46:25

being competitive, but what have we done out centers

46:27

together and Tom and I are getting a slice of pizza

46:29

at Lemoncas in Westwood, on

46:32

our way to see a movie. And I'm like,

46:34

bro, what are you even doing? What are you even and we didn't use

46:36

word bro then? Probably, dude. What have

46:38

you been doing? Because, yeah. And I'm I'm I'm

46:40

I'm getting ready. I'm doing this thing

46:43

with Marty. And I

46:45

go, Marty, Scorsese,

46:49

because yeah. I go, oh, that's me. Yeah. It's

46:52

so it's, you know, it's gonna be me and Newman.

46:55

Wait. Wait. Wait. Paul Newman.

46:58

Yeah. Like, we'd been

47:00

together for, like, five hours already. I would have

47:03

started with that. I'd be like, dude, I'm doing

47:05

a lawyer. Martin Scorsese and Paul

47:07

Neumann. Yeah. The false modesty

47:09

killed me, but Paul Neumann is

47:11

the answer to your

47:12

question. I I would have

47:14

loved to have worked. Understood. Understood.

47:17

I just got this. Oh, how is it?

47:19

I haven't started it yet. And so it's Paul

47:21

Newman for everyone who's just seeing

47:24

the extraordinary life of an ordinary man.

47:26

I mean, come on.

47:28

You're gonna have to I'll give it to you. I'll send it to you when

47:30

I'm gone.

47:31

Newman and Redford are my are

47:33

are Warren, my heroes. Jack?

47:36

Yeah. Jack. I mean, they all they were

47:38

such a class. I mean and do you know what

47:40

I watched yesterday? I watched I haven't

47:43

seen it in long time was midnight cowboy.

47:47

That's an interesting movie to come out in nineteen

47:49

sixty eight. It was intense. I mean,

47:52

in one best picture, they both were nominated.

47:55

But it's like this kind of weird

47:57

psychedelic, you

47:58

know. It's a it's a movie that don't

48:00

know. I don't think it would be made today.

48:02

No. See it. But No. It's

48:04

a may it's one

48:06

of the great movies of all

48:07

time. It's just one of the great I

48:10

like that and deliverance.

48:12

As a double feature.

48:15

That's like light movie

48:17

night. I mean, if I'm going light, I'm going

48:19

light. Like, it's either that or

48:23

AAA true light comedy. Like, a Bill Murray.

48:25

Like, we're going back, like, to something Yeah. Yeah.

48:27

Yeah. You you I'm a big catty shacked

48:29

guy. Yeah. Borat, I think, is

48:31

one of the funniest movies ever made.

48:33

What's been the highlight for you in your career

48:36

thus far do you think?

48:41

I feel

48:43

like I'm blessed

48:46

enough that I've had AAA few of

48:47

them.

48:48

Right. And I don't feel like there is one.

48:50

And I don't know, man, you know what? What comes

48:52

to mind really is and I know you'll

48:54

so appreciate this. In the days when

48:56

magazine covers meant something. Right.

49:00

How about in the days when they're were magazine

49:02

covers. Yeah. Exactly. There

49:04

was nothing bigger than Vanity Fair.

49:07

Yeah. Nothing. So

49:09

I've been at this a long time. I've

49:12

never been on the cover of Vanity Fair.

49:14

Never.

49:15

I write a book

49:17

and the book gets me

49:19

on the cover of

49:20

Fair.

49:21

How are your memoir gets you on the cover?

49:23

And that I think is one of my

49:26

proudest things that my

49:29

writing --

49:30

Right. -- ends up being the thing that gets

49:33

me in the cover of Anika. It's a hell of a memoir

49:35

FYI. It's a goodie. That's It

49:37

was that hard too. You're welcome. Because, like,

49:39

writing a memoir, it really brings stuff up.

49:42

Was that a a difficult journey?

49:45

Well, it was difficult to hit

49:47

the bull's eye of because,

49:49

look, if you're gonna do it, you gotta do it. There's nothing

49:52

worse than people The only

49:54

thing worse than people throwing people under

49:56

the bus is people

50:00

mincing around Yeah.

50:03

Being real. So you you have

50:05

to find the thing and I I

50:07

had loved David Nevan's book

50:10

the moon -- Yes. -- balloon, which is sort

50:13

of in the memoir world considered

50:17

the creme de la creme. Yep. Of

50:19

pithy, clever, real,

50:22

honest. Like, it has it all.

50:25

Yep. So my thing was like

50:27

if I could do it like the moons of a

50:29

moon, I can do this. And I and

50:31

I think I did, I really do.

50:33

Oh, you

50:33

did. You did. And that's a perfect example

50:36

because and I also think

50:38

in regards to even what we're doing today

50:40

and what

50:40

-- Yes. -- you're gonna be doing

50:43

with me when we sit, and I do she

50:45

said she, you know, she's she's doing

50:46

it. And if you can't you're not willing

50:48

to share Go do it. You can't

50:51

do it. At the end of the day,

50:53

the person who has to look the worst in the

50:55

book, is me. Yeah.

50:58

That's smart business, mister Lowe, because

51:00

that's like, oh, okay. I'm gonna write

51:02

a book and be real and be

51:03

honest. I gotta come out.

51:06

Not With my warts with the

51:08

warts. Right. Before we go, I have to ask

51:10

you this because it came up in the research that

51:12

are you a big ice bath infrared

51:14

sauna person? Bravo,

51:18

I am a big yes. So about

51:20

year and a half

51:20

ago, you know, I've Fitness has been a whole part

51:23

of my game, probably from,

51:25

like, the early eighties

51:26

mid-80s. Like, when it started happening Same. Remember

51:28

when that happened? By the way, that's nothing about

51:30

the eighties. Remember, like, oh, like, overnight.

51:33

Right. You had to be in a

51:36

remember, like, overnight, guided and

51:38

lift a weight

51:39

ever, ever. Sherval. We

51:41

gotta say, Jamie Lee Curtis and Sherval

51:43

to propel those. But,

51:45

yes, so remedy. I go to this place.

51:48

Ice baths are great. It's like

51:50

they're forty one degrees. Go minimum

51:53

of three minutes. Try to make it six. It's

51:55

just good for inflammation. It's good for

51:58

kind of fat

51:58

loss, you know, all that kind of stuff. We're

52:00

gonna

52:01

put a pin in this --

52:02

Yeah. -- and get back to this. We I feel

52:04

like we missed a whole thing on fitness because

52:06

I'm with you. I'm a freak about

52:09

it.

52:09

So when I call and you

52:11

and we do lunch, we're gonna talk about fitness.

52:13

Yeah.

52:14

Because listen, we're listen. I'll speak

52:16

for myself. You're a spring chicken. I'm

52:18

a spring chicken.

52:19

Excuse me. I'm fifth I'm gonna be fifty seven.

52:21

You're fifty eight. You're

52:22

a chicken. Okay. We're together. I didn't wanna

52:25

I didn't wanna cast Spersions. I didn't wanna

52:27

be aegis. But

52:28

my FYI, FYI should look like you in fifty

52:30

eight, and I think I look pretty damn good. You look great.

52:32

No. When I when I saw you on the thing, I was like, okay. My

52:34

man's got it going on. Okay. will

52:37

leave you with this. Yes. I

52:39

once asked Clint

52:41

Eastwood. And this is fairly recently. And

52:44

Clint's like ninety. Something. Right?

52:46

It's amazing. And so this is fairly

52:48

recently. And I said, I wanna be you.

52:50

How do you do it? You direct a

52:53

movie every year and a half

52:55

still. And

52:58

he said, Rob, I never let the old

53:00

man

53:00

in. You know what? Sage

53:03

Sage wisdom because the people that get

53:05

old think they're old -- Yes. --

53:07

state of mind. It's just if we're lucky

53:10

to have our health and that's why sawdas

53:12

and all the stuff we'll talk about. I just think it's

53:14

just keep a body movement

53:16

to me is the most important

53:18

thing we can

53:19

do, and I would love to have dinner

53:21

with you and Cheryl. Let's do it, but let's I

53:23

mean, we have so you have so many mutual friends. Let's

53:25

do a Montecito dinner. Yep.

53:27

Okay. Let's do that.

53:28

Yes. Because

53:29

I

53:29

I feel like I'm so overdue to catch up with Brian,

53:31

who always makes me laugh so hard. Definitely.

53:34

But

53:34

I could do a table for you up in Montecito.

53:36

Let's

53:36

do that.

53:37

Pick your favorite restaurant up there, we go, and

53:39

it's easy. We will do

53:41

it.

53:41

Thank you, Rob, for having me today. love it.

53:44

So fun. What

53:50

a great guy? I could talk to him forever.

53:53

I have to say that I can't get over the notion

53:55

of Kerry Grant coming

53:57

out of a spinning class, like, stars

54:00

of yesteryear were subjected to.

54:04

Today's media, they wouldn't be the stars of

54:06

yesteryear. So I leave it up to you,

54:08

dear listener, Think of your own

54:10

demoralizing version of

54:13

a great star being debased by

54:15

today's society. And

54:17

call up the load outline and and and tell me

54:19

what you've what you've come up with. John

54:22

Wayne coming out of his dermatologist

54:25

office, is that one? Would that be something?

54:27

That'd be bleak. I'm not ready to give

54:29

up on this quite yet. I know

54:31

we're wrapping it up, but I'm I've kind of

54:33

got and I've said, oh, I got a good

54:35

one. How

54:38

about Vivian Lee? Coming

54:40

out of her chiropractors. It's

54:43

a good one. I got one

54:45

more for you. Clark Gable.

54:48

Outside the jiffy lube. They

54:51

don't seem like stars anymore, do they? You

54:53

wonder why there aren't any stars today? Mhmm.

54:55

Alright. Just one more thing before we end today's

54:57

episode. Let's check the lowdown

55:00

line. Hello.

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So have at it. Here's the beep.

55:21

Hey, Rob. This is Laurie from Winston

55:24

Salem North Carolina. I've

55:26

been a fan of your work for a long time

55:28

and this podcast is just the icing

55:30

on the cake. I really enjoy

55:32

listening to it. Why question

55:34

is, I was wondering if they were going

55:37

to do a movie about your life,

55:39

who would you want to play you and

55:41

why? From your

55:44

young years and your older

55:46

years in case they were two different

55:48

actors. Keep up the good work.

55:50

Thank you.

55:53

Wow. That's a good one.

55:58

It's funny I'm developing a

56:01

a project about coming

56:04

of age in Malibu in the beginning of the

56:06

modern entertainment

56:09

industry

56:10

in the late seventies and into the eighties. And

56:13

I'm

56:13

in it. And I'm thinking who who is

56:15

gonna play that part. So I'm

56:18

thinking about it. Well, I

56:20

mean, really, it should probably be my my

56:23

son, John Olin Lau, you know, who's

56:25

my co star in unstable on

56:27

Netflix currently streaming.

56:30

But it I don't get I mean, there's nobody

56:33

really that I've seen

56:35

out there. I had such a very

56:37

specific look in those days.

56:40

But we'll find them. By the way, if you

56:42

see somebody walking around the

56:44

streets of Winston Salem, call

56:47

it a low down line. Like report

56:49

that person, report them to the authorities

56:53

so I can I can get them not

56:55

to Hollywood? Thank

56:57

you. Thanks for calling. I'll leave you

56:59

until next week. I'm

57:02

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