10:00

We play Iron Maiden, Killers at the time.

10:02

And that was a big one because a

10:04

lot of these people listening had never heard of Iron

10:06

Maiden before. So there was a lot of that bands

10:09

that certainly got some exposure on the air. And then

10:11

and then we'll come into the record store and buy

10:13

the records, which is cool. Yeah,

10:15

dude, Killers was my first Iron Maiden

10:17

record to murders in the room. More

10:19

Wrathchild. I was a great album man.

10:22

That one kicked my ass. But

10:25

right. But Exciter. I

10:28

started to make a big turn with Exciter. I wanted

10:30

I wanted it faster. I

10:32

wanted it heavier. And I remember when I first heard

10:35

the first time I heard Metallica. I

10:37

heard it was the Kill them all. And

10:40

I was into it. And Exciter had

10:42

like, you know, prepped me for it.

10:44

But it was right when Ride the

10:46

Lightning came out, when I heard Creeping

10:48

Death. That song,

10:51

that song. I remember the

10:53

next day I used to work at a

10:55

swap meet selling underwear in Santa Ana like

10:57

like and and

11:00

socks and wife beaters

11:02

and stuff. And I remember walking to work Saturday morning

11:04

and tell my friend Javier. And I said, I think

11:06

Metallica might be the best band in the world. I'm

11:09

like 14 at the time. Creeping Death

11:11

was I just had it on repeat. I

11:13

couldn't get enough of Creeping Death that that

11:15

the middle part. Oh, man, that and that.

11:17

That that that that that that that is

11:19

die, die. Do that is the heaviest shit

11:22

that just remind you could put that part

11:24

right there in like Lord of the Rings.

11:26

You know, when all those evil orcs or

11:28

whatever, they get ready to battle and you

11:30

see them coming over the hillside and they're

11:32

all coming. They're all coming to take over

11:34

a castle. You play that bridge. Oh, and

11:36

it fit perfect. It would fit fucking perfect,

11:38

man. Well, I was kind of when I

11:40

first when I first knew, you know, because

11:42

obviously Metallica started with us. I've been there

11:45

since for day one. I'm sure we'll talk

11:47

about that in a second. But I remember

11:49

I remember being the first big kind of

11:51

festival they played was a festival

11:53

here in L.A. at the Coliseum, the L.A. Coliseum. And

11:55

they were, you know, they put it to 30 in

11:57

the afternoon or whatever. They're still at 40. hip-hop

20:00

song. Had

20:02

a rapper on it. Whip!

20:35

Wave! Blow

20:40

your shit! Okay,

20:47

let me tell you something about those lame niggas.

20:49

One, two, one, everything. But they ain't got no

20:51

one to get out. All lights on, when this

20:53

ethics done pray to lord, and

20:56

he will send it out, now he on my damn ground. Try to make my

20:58

world feel it, my eyes will it out, that shit, I will it out, real

21:00

feel it. My

21:03

problem an exotic world, crop that shit, can't

21:05

plan it, y'all niggas just want it. Just

21:08

a plea. That's enough of that, I just... That's

21:11

cool. Two things on that really quick. I see

21:13

you've got my buddy Danny Loner as an engineer

21:15

on there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you know

21:18

Danny? Yeah, absolutely. He's a former metal

21:20

guitar. He was in a band that we had called

21:22

an industrial band called Screw back in the day. So

21:24

we just know Danny forever. He's a great dude. Yeah,

21:27

yeah, Danny's one of my best friends. He's

21:29

awesome. And then 300, I'm wearing a Lizzie

21:31

Borden shirt here, and the director

21:33

of 300's first ever gig was doing a

21:36

Lizzie Borden video. Really?

21:38

Which one, give him the axe? No,

21:41

no, no, it was later than that, it was... I'm

21:44

trying to remember which one it was now. I

21:47

think it was... We've

21:49

got the pow. Oh, we

21:51

got the pow, yeah. That

21:54

was off Master of Disguise, last

21:56

song, Master of Disguise. I'm trying

21:59

to get back in... The

42:00

Motley Crew story real quick was their managers knew

42:02

me very well because they were advertising my fanzine

42:05

and I've done a bunch of stuff for Motley.

42:07

They came to my mom's house and sat on

42:09

my mom's couch and said, we have 900 Motley

42:11

Crew records, what do we do with them? I

42:13

said, oh, we'll take them to this distributed green

42:15

world. They can help you. They

42:18

helped me with doing some

42:20

stuff over there and I buy stuff from them. They

42:22

went over there and of course, that thing exploded. The

42:25

green world people came up to me and said, hey,

42:27

we know you don't have any money, but you seem

42:30

like you know what you're doing. We can offer you

42:32

a pressing and distribution deal, meaning that we would manufacture

42:34

the albums and everything. All you have to do is

42:36

just find us the music and bring it

42:38

to us and we can help you put it out. I

42:41

was like, oh, I can probably do that. I

42:43

just started going asking the bands, but hey, if

42:45

you can record something or make a demo or

42:47

something that sounds decent, we can actually make records

42:49

now. That's how the whole thing

42:51

started. That was after

42:53

the first one. Yeah, that was after the

42:55

first Metal Massacre. I did Metal Massacre II,

42:59

which had, was Slayer

43:01

on two or three? I can't remember now. Armand

43:03

Saint was on two. Anyway, in

43:05

trauma, Cliff Merton's band was on there, which

43:07

is how he ended up in Metallica because

43:09

they were looking for a bass player. I'd

43:11

seen Cliff because trauma came down from San Francisco

43:13

to play in LA. I'd say,

43:15

hey, I just saw this guy who's in this band from

43:17

San Francisco. It's really good to check him out. Next

43:20

thing I know, they came back down and Lars and

43:22

James were at the show and Lars looks at me

43:24

and goes, okay, that guy's going to be in our

43:26

band. All right, whatever, Lars, but that's what

43:28

happened with them. But yeah, then

43:31

we started putting out stuff. So I started putting out

43:33

my friends in a band called Bitch, who

43:35

were really good friends of mine. So

43:37

we put out a couple of things from

43:39

them with the original Armand Saint, three song

43:41

EP, which was a huge thing for Metal

43:43

Blade because based on that, they

43:45

got signed to Chrysalis Records. So they were the first

43:47

band that came from Metal Blade. They got signed to

43:50

a major label and they were very, all

43:52

the interviews and stuff they did there very much,

43:54

you know, telling, hey, we start on this label,

43:56

Metal Blade. March of the Saints, a great album.

43:59

Yeah. The

46:01

monster, the monster

46:03

The monster, the

46:06

monster The

46:13

monster, the monster Like a

46:15

bastard, like a dude Who

46:17

sits in the master's window And

46:20

the pain is loose And

46:23

you Dies

46:29

are never here Or

46:32

here And

46:34

on the road Night

46:36

is the day The

46:40

monster, the monster The

46:44

monster, the monster The

46:58

monster, he used it To

47:02

kill your cunning past And

47:08

every day, you lay down there in a

47:11

Why Take Outgh

47:26

Take Outgh The

47:55

monster, he used

47:57

it I said

48:30

I They

48:45

were fun because they had this huge fan

48:47

base all of a sudden and this then the

48:50

show was just wild They just did so much

48:52

crazy stuff What we saw them

48:54

at this room are probably like 10 times

48:56

or something Yeah, I saw wasp open for

48:58

kiss on the I think it was the

49:00

asylum tour Yeah, they played

49:02

they played um the San Bernardino Whatever

49:05

and they were orange pavilion. Yeah, it was

49:08

like there's no seats, right? So as soon

49:10

as they open the doors everyone's rushing to

49:12

get that front row Everyone's

49:14

rushing and man it was

49:17

if you've been in those situations where you're getting smashed

49:19

and you feel like man I might die you ever

49:23

It's funny you mentioned that cuz I'm not like I

49:25

I don't I'm not a guy that wants to be

49:27

at the front of the stage Necessary because of that

49:30

like I wanted to be back a little bit because

49:32

I don't want to get rushed in that mess I've

49:34

been in that mess, but I saw Iron Maiden and

49:36

Saxon at in San Bernardino in 1983 And

49:39

I was you know, Massa Vardemeyer made in fence still

49:41

my favorite band So I got there early and I

49:43

ran up to the front So fast

49:45

what was on first and it was all it was

49:47

fairly decent, you know, it was you know You're getting

49:49

crushed, but it wasn't too bad Saxon came on. I

49:51

got a little bit worse Then Maiden

49:53

came on I thought my ribs were gonna

49:56

snap Yes, every pushing up against you

49:58

and I was up against the bear So I

50:00

couldn't take it. I like fought my way out

50:02

of there and just watched him in the back

50:04

Cuz I mean I might ribs hurt

50:06

for like two or three weeks after that I literally thought

50:08

they were gonna break a rib or something. So yeah, that

50:10

was the last time I did that I'm like, yeah, I'm

50:13

not doing that That's

50:15

almost the exact same story where where

50:17

it wasp opens and we're

50:20

waiting for wasp and it's getting packed

50:22

and man I'm right there at the

50:24

barrier going fuck. I'm right there getting

50:26

smashed And even before wasp

50:28

comes out people are just getting pulled

50:30

out people are like saying help me

50:32

pull me out They're just pulling people

50:34

out and then putting them in, you

50:37

know inside the barrier then, you know,

50:39

they have to go out You know,

50:41

but I refuse man. I'm like fuck

50:43

the band hadn't even started You know,

50:45

we're just getting crushed and I swear

50:47

people just like fuck it pull me

50:50

out Please save me and I refuse

50:52

I refuse and then wasp comes out

50:54

they opened with On

50:56

your knees and I swear to God I'm right

50:58

there dying and I I Could

51:01

be delusional or something. It looked like blackie

51:03

lawless look right at me and he said

51:06

sex in pain insane They're really

51:08

the same and I'm like, oh shit cuz

51:10

he knew I was in pain and

51:12

I'm like, okay We made

51:14

eye contact you could pull me out now So

51:17

I called for the the bouncers and they pulled

51:19

me out and I went to the back and

51:21

I passed out I like I was dead. I

51:23

passed out. I woke up. It's like the end

51:25

the wasp and then I reenergized for kiss Was

51:30

it that show but I was in the back Did

51:33

you see did you see Queens right open up for

51:35

kiss I think that was animalized yeah,

51:38

dude that dude that was that When

51:41

I loved the the first

51:44

Queens right EP Queen of the Reich

51:46

all that shit Knight Rider Lady Ward black

51:48

I love that but when the warning came

51:51

out, I was a little disappointed and

51:53

I think the production, you know I was

51:55

a little disappointed then I saw

51:57

them open up for kiss and then I'm like,

51:59

oh my Oh my God, I went back and then

52:01

I'm like, oh my God, this album was amazing. I

52:03

just wasn't hearing it right. I don't know if the

52:06

production kind of fucked with me a little bit, but

52:08

I love the warning. But it took me seeing it

52:10

live to make me go back headfirst

52:12

into it. Yeah, interesting you said. It's a funny story

52:14

about Queens, right? So when I worked at

52:17

the record store, we had their EP. We've selling tons of

52:19

them. I love that EP, I thought it's phenomenal. They

52:21

played the Country Club, which that was the big

52:23

club in the 80s where everybody

52:25

would play. So they played a show, first time they were

52:28

in LA, played a show there.

52:30

And I don't rarely ever walk out

52:32

on shows. I usually will stick around,

52:34

but they were so terrible. Really? It

52:36

was terrible. Everything was off.

52:39

Jeff Tate's voice was all messed up. They

52:41

were awful. And I was a

52:43

big fan. So I was like, oh, and I

52:46

walked out. I go, ah, this band's awful. This

52:48

is terrible. Whoa. So fast

52:50

forward, I've, one of the, my greatest 10 days

52:52

of my entire life, I went to England in

52:54

84. Yeah,

52:59

84. So

53:02

Dio did two nights at Hammersmith Odeon.

53:05

And then I made did four nights

53:07

doing the World Slavery Tour. They did four nights

53:10

at Hammersmith. So I went to both Dio shows

53:12

and two of the four maiden shows. They're all

53:14

amazing. And Hammersmith is like a 2,200 seat venue.

53:17

I was starting to grow up as

53:19

a kid. You'd hear about this historic

53:21

venue. It's like the Forum or something

53:23

huge. Yeah, totally. Hammersmith Odeon, everybody is

53:25

legendary. So Queensryche had just recorded,

53:28

they were over in London. They had just finished

53:30

recording the morning. It wasn't out yet. And

53:32

so I was talking to these kids out front. They said,

53:35

you know, they, but from LA and we're talking about a

53:37

bunch of stuff. And they said, what do you think of

53:39

Queensryche? I said, well, so I really

53:41

liked the EP, but I went to

53:43

go see them. And honestly, I walked out. I thought

53:45

they were awful, but that being said, I'm going to

53:47

give them a shot tonight. And of course they came

53:49

out and they were phenomenal. Yeah. I

53:51

was like, oh my God, this is amazing. And then morning came

53:53

out, you know, a couple of weeks later and I go, this

53:55

band's like one of the best bands ever. So, and I talked

53:58

to those guys at one point, because that was, I became really

54:00

good. friends with with all of them

54:02

that mainly Jeff and Chris and

54:05

one night we're out late and we're all having

54:07

some drinks and stuff and I finally I finally

54:09

what I said I said I got to tell

54:12

you guys something the first time I saw you

54:14

guys played the country club in La and I

54:16

walked out it was so bad and they go

54:18

that's the worst we've ever played our entire lives

54:20

was we were embarrassed by how badly that that

54:22

show. What I wonder what it was like they

54:24

were it was mainly the voice

54:29

like just a minute was it was everything

54:31

they were having a lot of

54:33

technical issues a lot of what the issues

54:35

that the sound in the club was

54:37

awful. Jeff was having I think he's

54:39

having problems with them. The monitor so

54:41

could really hear himself. It just

54:43

seemed like everything went wrong for them and they

54:45

just were you know young band is frustrated I

54:48

think it halfway through the almost kind of gave

54:50

gave up it was on it was so bad

54:52

and there said I can't watch this. And

54:55

they all remember that gave that's probably the worst gig we

54:58

ever played. Was was

55:00

would you consider Slayer

55:02

the biggest band that in

55:04

metal blade history. Yeah,

55:06

well, I mean there's an asterisk there. They

55:09

are absolutely but there's an

55:12

asterisk there because we also had the good news and

55:14

we had to get all right in the beginning

55:16

and right at the game massively huge so technically

55:19

the biggest record that was ever on metal blade

55:21

was a boy named goo which is sold by

55:23

3 and a half 4 million copies or something

55:25

crazy do a boy named goo is on metal

55:28

blade. Yes, Sir. Oh my God,

55:30

I miss and that came out like in the 90's right.

55:32

Yeah, 90. 91 92. Yeah, we had

55:35

signed because we don't we don't pump

55:38

label. Slayers involved

55:40

in this actually to so DRI and

55:43

COC were 2 bands the Slayer guys were

55:45

super into especially DRI they are open for

55:47

player a lot. Yeah, you're right. I

55:50

want to sign both of these bands. I love DRI go

55:52

ahead, you know, you know they have a deal I want

55:54

to sign you guys that we can't sign with you so

55:56

why not because it's a it's

55:59

metal blade. It's

58:00

got some punk. Remember Fender's Ballroom

58:02

when they'd have a punk band

58:05

and then they have a, I think even

58:07

an Exciter played the Fenders. I think there

58:09

was punk bands with it. So the promoter,

58:11

it was good for the promoter because it

58:13

gets two scenes together, but the metalheads, we

58:16

had to travel in packs because if we were alone

58:18

and there was some skinheads around,

58:21

catch a metalhead alone, you could get fucked

58:23

up. I want that upper

58:25

body clash. That's what I'm going after.

58:28

With the underhook, looking for double

58:30

underhooks. Fucking, that's a juicy ass

58:32

clash. Perfect double underhooks on your

58:34

side. That's all perfect.

58:37

That's huge. And my guy, for

58:39

me, I'm like, I got this one. First

58:41

fight in Abu Dhabi 2003 against

58:43

Gustavo Dontis. I got right

58:45

in and got double, perfect double underhooks. I'm like, oh

58:48

my God, I had him in a lockdown perfect double

58:50

underhook really quick. He

58:52

just gave it to me. And I was just sitting

58:54

there going, oh, I thought he just gave it to

58:56

him. That

58:59

was just off a front headlock. 100%

59:04

push into him. You want to smash him and then

59:06

jump on that leg. You want to rush him so

59:10

they don't have a, so they're off balance. You jump on

59:12

that leg, try to, you hook that leg. You're

59:14

going to take their back and put them in the truck. Either

59:17

one. Does that make sense? So

59:22

we were, we were scared. Actually there, that,

59:24

that was not in the best area in

59:26

Long Beach, Fester. Yeah. Yeah. We're scared. And

59:28

cause we're just, you know, Mexican long hair

59:30

dudes. We're there to, we're there to see

59:32

Dark Angel and Exciter. And then you got

59:34

all these crazy punks. And if you, and

59:36

if you go into the, into the

59:38

mosh pit, punkers,

59:41

they'll just punch you. They have them. No, they have

59:43

no problem just fucking punching you and knocking you. Yeah.

59:45

They were all, yeah. We had a lot of problems

59:47

with that. Cause you know, DRI would open for Slayer

59:49

a lot. There are, we did, we did a couple

59:51

of shows in the country club of DRI opening and

59:53

it was just, it

59:56

was a melee on the, in the pit was a

59:58

melee. They ended up having tons of security. security people

1:00:00

there, all these kids got beat up, and the

1:00:02

club got all messed up. Suicidal,

1:00:05

who also are friends of mine, they

1:00:07

would kind of bridge that, a

1:00:10

little bit of the metal gap. You go

1:00:12

to Suicidal Showman in LA, and it was, I mean,

1:00:15

there's probably five or six shows

1:00:17

where people are getting knifed, and like

1:00:19

those shows were scary in

1:00:21

the pit. So, because I went

1:00:23

to the, like I said, I went to the

1:00:26

punk shows like Dead Kennedys, and Germs, and Black

1:00:28

Flag, and all that scene in the late 70s,

1:00:30

early 80s. But I

1:00:32

didn't wear my metal shirts, and

1:00:37

I just kind of go wear a Dead

1:00:39

Kennedys shirt or something, and not look super

1:00:41

metal, so I didn't get hassled too much.

1:00:43

But it got a lot worse. I remember

1:00:45

that Slayer DRI shows were

1:00:47

scary. I

1:00:49

haven't seen a lot of stuff like that a

1:00:52

lot, where these kids are just going at each

1:00:54

other. There's like literally 30 security guards in there,

1:00:56

trying to sort it all out. Yeah, one of

1:00:58

my long-haired friends, he turns 18, he

1:01:01

goes to the military, shaves his

1:01:03

head. He gets discharged

1:01:06

early, because he was

1:01:08

anemic or something like that. So now he's back

1:01:10

at home, cut his hair

1:01:12

off, decided, fuck it, I'm just gonna

1:01:14

be hardcore, and just go skinhead, and

1:01:17

he's Mexican too. So he would go

1:01:19

to shows, and I would see him.

1:01:22

He'd go to shows and be that

1:01:24

punk, knocking long-haired dudes out. He loved

1:01:26

it. He'd just be in the pit,

1:01:28

boom, and just drop dudes. I'm like,

1:01:30

oh, fuck, what are you doing? He

1:01:33

was crazy. PTSD. Oh,

1:01:36

yeah, yeah, I was like, man,

1:01:38

whoa. I hope he doesn't turn on

1:01:40

me. Right. Do you

1:01:42

remember Slayer and Possessed at

1:01:44

the Olympic Auditorium? Yep.

1:01:47

Hell yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. I

1:01:49

mean, I went to all those shows back then, and yeah,

1:01:52

that was some crazy, there's a lot. Slayer

1:01:54

got to the point where they couldn't play

1:01:56

anywhere because they kept getting banned because of

1:01:58

the crime. were so intense

1:02:01

and they would break stuff

1:02:03

up. So that was a legendary show that

1:02:05

you're talking about at the Olympic

1:02:07

Auditorium. It was big too. I think that was

1:02:09

the first kind of bigger, because before Slayer, they

1:02:11

do, commonize at the Country Club

1:02:13

or those bigger clubs, but the Olympic Auditorium was a

1:02:16

big one. Yeah, and then they

1:02:18

did the Palladium,

1:02:20

Slayer, Venom, you

1:02:22

know, Venom headline actually, and then it was

1:02:24

an Exodus. Remember that? Hell yeah.

1:02:27

I won tickets on K-NAC for

1:02:29

that. They asked

1:02:31

like some kiss question, and they're

1:02:34

like, what was the name of kiss before

1:02:36

kiss? I said, we could, I got in,

1:02:38

we could last third. And boom, I won

1:02:40

tickets. I'm like, oh shit. And

1:02:42

do you remember that there was a riot outside people,

1:02:44

because they were sold out, it was overflowing, and people

1:02:46

wanted to get in, and there was like a riot

1:02:48

outside? Oh yeah. I got cut.

1:02:51

People were throwing bottles, and a bottle hit

1:02:53

the ground, and a shard of

1:02:55

glass went right into my leg, and

1:02:57

I was bleeding, and I was in the show. I

1:03:00

got there pretty early, so I didn't see any of

1:03:02

that, but we heard all about what was going on.

1:03:05

I think I might have poked my head out for a second, and

1:03:07

I'm like, okay, I'm not going anywhere near that. Unfortunately,

1:03:10

that was normal at Slayer shows back

1:03:12

then. There would be riots constantly. We

1:03:14

got banned from the Country Club so

1:03:17

many times, so at that point I was kind of

1:03:19

more or less managing them, just kind of helping them.

1:03:22

And the Country Club called me at one point and said,

1:03:24

hey, we were banned. We couldn't play the Country Club anymore.

1:03:26

I was like, all right. So they called me and said,

1:03:28

hey, they think you guys would want to play the Country

1:03:30

Club again, and I go, well, I thought

1:03:32

we were banned. He said, no, they needed money.

1:03:34

He says, all right, but here's the guarantee. Here's

1:03:36

this, here's that, all

1:03:38

this stuff. And I

1:03:41

said, we'll play, but you cannot

1:03:43

have a ton of security people there.

1:03:45

You can have security people there, but let the kids

1:03:47

do it, because this is also early in the moshing

1:03:49

where people didn't understand it. The

1:03:52

Slayer fans were pretty good. They would just mosh

1:03:54

around. And we're

1:03:56

trying to hurt each other or anything like that. So the first

1:03:58

night we go and everything's. fine show

1:04:00

goes great. Everything's great

1:04:03

damage to the club one broken chair.

1:04:06

So the next night I show up and

1:04:09

there's cops everywhere. There's cops everywhere and

1:04:11

security people everywhere. So I walk into

1:04:13

the club and went to the promoter

1:04:15

I go the fuck are you

1:04:18

doing? So it

1:04:20

wasn't us it wasn't us to somebody called the

1:04:22

cops last night I guess some kid went and pissed

1:04:24

on somebody's lawn. So they the

1:04:26

owners got mad and called the police and

1:04:28

then they have all these cops. So so

1:04:31

now I'm like, you these

1:04:33

kids are going to go crazy tonight with all the

1:04:35

security here. You can't you can't do this. Then

1:04:37

they didn't listen and they had security people all

1:04:39

over the stage. Riot breaks out

1:04:42

in the club. They destroyed both bathrooms

1:04:44

completely destroyed rip the sinks off of

1:04:46

the walls, rip the urinals off of

1:04:49

the walls. Oh, about 500 chairs all

1:04:52

this stuff. And afterwards I

1:04:54

went in and you know, they're complaining to me

1:04:57

I go I told you guys not

1:04:59

to do this because we had a thing in the in the

1:05:01

agreement where you know they can't can't charge us

1:05:03

for this stuff because it's not our fault. So

1:05:05

yeah, I had to argue to get paid

1:05:07

and the whole thing but yeah, that was

1:05:09

unfortunately, like then have riots at Slayer shows.

1:05:12

It's crazy that Slayer.

1:05:17

Now, they just stayed steady. You

1:05:20

know, even through the 90s when the music

1:05:22

industry pulled the plug on hair metal, you

1:05:25

know, Slayer was so evil and dark

1:05:27

and fast. They were never a Slayer

1:05:29

wasn't really affected by that at all.

1:05:32

Not really, but but I have a

1:05:34

quick funny so Cara King's one of the best buddies in

1:05:36

family just wanted Super Bowl to go this weekend. And

1:05:39

I used to have a place in Tampa because we had

1:05:41

so many bands in Tampa. So I had a condo down

1:05:43

there, we would always go to the hard rock in Tampa,

1:05:45

which is like this really great hard rock. We

1:05:48

knew the bar people there and the restaurants

1:05:51

were great. But every time I go there, there

1:05:53

was this guitar on the wall that said

1:05:55

that Cara King's name underneath it and this was

1:05:57

a guitar and all these different colors and it

1:06:00

didn't look like anything Kerry would ever play.

1:06:03

So at one point it just kind of drove me

1:06:05

nuts because I'm like that. So I took

1:06:07

a picture of it and I texted it

1:06:09

to him and I said, did you really play this

1:06:11

guitar? And he said, yep, that's my guitar. I go,

1:06:14

what the fuck? He goes, one of

1:06:16

the best lines ever. The 90s were weird. Even

1:06:22

he had to like acquiesce to have some dumb

1:06:24

looking, look like the Luke Bisket or some stupid

1:06:26

band would play it. Yeah. Everybody had a cut

1:06:28

there. My hair was down on my waist and

1:06:30

I was the last one of my friends to

1:06:32

cut my hair. I didn't cut my hair until

1:06:34

1997. I

1:06:37

held on to it. I was. I

1:06:39

had to do it too early, unfortunately, but

1:06:41

I wouldn't cut it. I refuse because,

1:06:43

you know, when you go through, you

1:06:46

know, when from the early, the

1:06:48

early 80s, if you had long hair, a

1:06:51

society considered you a scumbag, right? The only

1:06:53

the only girls that liked you were metal

1:06:55

chicks. And there weren't that many metal chicks

1:06:57

in the early 80s. And

1:06:59

then Motley Crew started blowing up and

1:07:01

rad blew up. And now the metal

1:07:04

scene is big now. But still, unless

1:07:06

you're a metal chick, long hair dude,

1:07:08

there's scumbags. But when Guns

1:07:11

N' Roses popped and it was

1:07:13

January of 1988, every

1:07:16

I graduated midterm high school

1:07:19

because I was tired of being the

1:07:21

cast. You know, the the, you know,

1:07:23

the outcast with the long hair. You

1:07:25

know, everyone thought it was a scumbag.

1:07:27

I go, fuck this. I'm graduating early,

1:07:29

got extra credits, did after school auto

1:07:31

shop. I'm going to graduate or I'm

1:07:33

going to Hollywood, dog, and I'm going

1:07:35

to fuck this life. But right, right

1:07:38

when it I graduated,

1:07:40

that's when everything changed. That's when all

1:07:42

of a sudden long hair dudes were

1:07:44

like GQ. It

1:07:47

was crazy. And long hair dudes had no

1:07:49

competition because it takes seven, eight years to

1:07:51

grow your hair out. So all of a

1:07:53

sudden, because it was it was Guns N'

1:07:55

Roses, the Guns N' Roses effect from 1988

1:07:57

to 19. 1991,

1:08:00

man, the, ah, it was like

1:08:03

a dream. It

1:08:05

was like a twilight zone. And then Nirvana

1:08:08

comes out and they pull the plug on

1:08:10

it. Now I'm a scumbag again. It's like

1:08:12

Cinderella all of a sudden. And it's even

1:08:14

worse, like in the like 93, 94, girls

1:08:19

would just, girls would say, oh,

1:08:22

look how pretty your hair is, you know? And I

1:08:24

would just hear that, oh my God, they like my

1:08:26

hair. They actually do like, but really inside, they were

1:08:29

thinking for a girl, it's nice. And

1:08:31

my buddies, my buddies who cut their, he's go, dude,

1:08:33

just cut your hair and spike your fucking hair out.

1:08:35

It's the new shit. No, girls do not like long

1:08:37

hair dudes no more. I'm like, fuck that. Cause I

1:08:39

used to have, when the hair was good, I would

1:08:41

have nightmares that someone would cut my hair and I'd

1:08:43

wake up and go, oh my God, I still got

1:08:45

my hair. I would have nightmares of

1:08:47

people cutting my hair. So it was

1:08:49

hard to let it go. But right when I did

1:08:52

in 1997, that was

1:08:54

like, that metal did not really exist except

1:08:56

for like, you know, like corn and all,

1:08:58

like, you know, the new metal type stuff.

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1:09:17

helped to survive the 90s. Yes, Pantera survived a

1:09:19

little bit. But you know what? I'll be honest

1:09:22

with you, at that point, I was glad they

1:09:24

pulled the plug on hair metal. I was sick

1:09:26

of that shit anyways. I was like, I was

1:09:28

already getting into Nine Inch Nails, Alice in Chains.

1:09:30

I love, like Alice in Chains, when I heard

1:09:32

that I go, that's the way it should be done,

1:09:35

right? The Alice in fucking Chains sound guard and all

1:09:37

that shit. Same here, 100%. They,

1:09:39

they, they, they, they'd ruin the whole thing. They'd

1:09:41

ruin metal with all this hair metal stuff. They'd

1:09:43

climb up. I was like, trickster and all that.

1:09:45

I was like, oh, I hate it. I hated

1:09:48

all that stuff. It needed to go away and

1:09:50

reinvent itself. But the funny thing about all those

1:09:52

bands, and I was really tired of the Alice

1:09:54

in Chains because their A&R guy

1:09:56

who signed them was a really good friend of mine. In fact, he sent

1:09:58

me their demo. He said, hey, I just

1:10:00

signed this band. What do you think? And I go,

1:10:02

shit, this is frigging phenomenal. And I

1:10:05

knew about Nirvana, and I knew about

1:10:07

all those other bands. I've been to

1:10:09

Seattle. I've seen Mother Love Bone for

1:10:11

anything happened and all this

1:10:13

great stuff. So you could feel that

1:10:15

that was gonna be the big thing.

1:10:17

But all those bands, Soundgarden, Alice in

1:10:19

Chains, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins,

1:10:22

all those big bands, all

1:10:25

massive metalheads, massive metalheads. But

1:10:27

they could not say a

1:10:29

word about it because metal was so,

1:10:31

you mentioned the word metal and that would

1:10:34

turn everybody that loved those bands off. It's

1:10:36

like, no, no, no, this is Grimes Metal

1:10:38

Sox. We don't like metal. And they were

1:10:40

instructed by their major label people, like, don't

1:10:42

say anything about metal. Don't say, when you

1:10:44

talk about your influences, don't talk about Armored

1:10:47

Saint or Metallica. You can't say anything like

1:10:49

that. You have to say The Smiths and

1:10:51

whatever. So, but

1:10:53

it needed to go away. And I loved all those bands

1:10:55

too. I thought that scene was phenomenal. It

1:10:58

was great. Yeah, I was like, and

1:11:00

you know, when

1:11:03

I was 17, when

1:11:06

I was 17, I was about

1:11:08

as fucking speed metals you

1:11:10

could fucking get. The name of my

1:11:12

band was Resistance. We were writing satanic

1:11:14

songs, nuclear, every band had a nuclear

1:11:17

war song. We had a song called

1:11:19

Nuclear Death. You know, I wrote

1:11:22

a song about when I was 17 about the

1:11:24

economy crashing and all the rich people are going to

1:11:26

be down in the slums with the poor people. And

1:11:29

now what are you going to do? You know, stupid

1:11:31

shit like that. But secretly,

1:11:33

I would, when no

1:11:35

one was at the house, I would, you know,

1:11:37

back in the days where you tape music videos

1:11:39

and you have like your VHS tape, I

1:11:42

would have metal ones, but my sister would

1:11:44

have like the Cure and the Pashmold and

1:11:46

she would have the New Wave, she and

1:11:48

Duran Duran and all that. And when, dude,

1:11:50

I'll never forget just being blown away by

1:11:52

just like heaven, by the Cure. I'm like,

1:11:54

oh my God, I love this shit. But

1:11:56

I would never let anybody know, dude. I

1:11:59

would have just, You couldn't let

1:12:01

anybody know you liked the passion mode. So little

1:12:03

by little, I started like, and then when Pretty

1:12:05

Hate Machine came out, nine inch nails, I'm like,

1:12:07

oh my God, oh my fucking

1:12:09

God. This is what, then I started that,

1:12:11

then I started, I said fuck speed metal,

1:12:13

like I stopped the speed metal band. Then

1:12:16

I tried to, in 1991, I tried to mix

1:12:18

rap, metal, industrial,

1:12:21

funk, electronic and everything.

1:12:24

I was doing that through the, in the 90s,

1:12:26

I was trying to do industrial rap, like odd

1:12:28

meter rap, what would rap sound like

1:12:30

if nine inch nails did rap? It was

1:12:33

super bad, super experimental, but it was, I

1:12:35

wanted the change. I was done with the

1:12:37

80s, I was done. Yeah, I agree. I

1:12:39

mean, the interesting thing about metal, and

1:12:42

I completely agree with everything you just said, we

1:12:45

tried to sign nine inch nails in the very early, early

1:12:47

days before anybody knew who they were. I

1:12:49

had heard a friend of mine from New Orleans have heard them

1:12:51

and I got in touch with the manager. And the first time

1:12:53

they came to LA, played a small club

1:12:55

and they were phenomenal. So I was talking to them and

1:12:57

I was like, yeah, yeah. So

1:12:59

like, we kind of got a little, we had

1:13:01

a deal with Warner Brothers at the time. So

1:13:04

we had like major distribution. Unfortunately, I went

1:13:06

into Warner's to say like, hey, I found this great

1:13:08

band on Shnails, we got a sign. And they said,

1:13:10

yeah, Irving Azoff already knows about them. So that was

1:13:12

it, that was the end for me with them. Love

1:13:15

that band and love that whole scene. But

1:13:17

what was interesting though, about the 90s, metal

1:13:20

wise was that in the under, the underground

1:13:22

was doing extremely well in the 90s. We

1:13:24

did- The flair didn't get affected

1:13:26

that much. Yeah, but the underground stuff, like that's

1:13:28

when death metal started. And that's when all these,

1:13:31

you know, Cannibal Corpse

1:13:33

and Obituary and all these bands kind of

1:13:35

started in the underground because it was super

1:13:37

heavy. So the mainstream didn't care. They didn't

1:13:39

want to know anything about it, but there's

1:13:42

this underground level of younger kids that were

1:13:44

getting into all this death metal stuff. Because

1:13:47

in the 90s, we had Cannibal Corpse,

1:13:49

Six Feet Under, Gwar, we've got Merciful Fate and

1:13:51

King Diamond had reformed and they were doing, I mean,

1:13:53

all these bands were selling a lot of records, Bolt

1:13:55

Thrower, it was all this kind of underground metal stuff

1:13:57

that actually in the 90s did. really,

1:14:00

really well. And we never got involved. We

1:14:02

did marketing and promotion for all the Allison

1:14:05

chains and Zalgarden and Guns and Roses and

1:14:07

all that sort of stuff. Because the majors

1:14:09

didn't know how to get to the under

1:14:11

the college radio and the fanzine.

1:14:13

So we did all that stuff for them. So

1:14:16

we were in that world a little bit, which

1:14:18

helped obviously. But we never did

1:14:20

the new metal thing, which that was kind of the big thing

1:14:22

for a minute. As I just felt

1:14:24

that at some point, the metal is going

1:14:26

to come back. Like it's just going to

1:14:28

come back at some point. It's just this

1:14:31

a downturn. It's kind of reinventing itself. And

1:14:33

then we got to the early 2000s and it kind

1:14:35

of exploded again. The metal core scene and everything happened.

1:14:37

So yeah, metal came back in

1:14:40

a big way, man. In the nineties, it was so

1:14:42

dead. Jamie St. James

1:14:44

from Black and Blue. He, I

1:14:47

called an electrician, you know, something

1:14:49

was wrong with my lights. And it's

1:14:51

Jamie St. James. What? I

1:14:53

love that first album, Doug Wicked, bitch.

1:14:56

Hold on to 18. I love that shit.

1:14:59

So it was, it was, uh, and there

1:15:01

was a, there was a couple guys that

1:15:03

were in signed

1:15:06

metal bands at the end, right at the

1:15:08

end, the last six months. Uh,

1:15:11

and then I forget the guy's name, um, but

1:15:15

he went from, I think it

1:15:17

was Malice or warrior or something.

1:15:19

And then he went into orgy

1:15:21

because orgy was like the nineties

1:15:23

lug. They cut their hair. What

1:15:26

was his name? I'm trying to remember which guy

1:15:28

I was. Um, I

1:15:30

don't think it was Malice cause I know

1:15:33

all those guys, I know Jay Reynolds and

1:15:35

McSane and all those guys. Yeah. It's someone

1:15:37

I forget, but it was someone who was

1:15:39

in a signed metal band. They got a

1:15:41

major label. It didn't do that well, but

1:15:43

he snuck in in the nineties and boom.

1:15:45

And now he's an orgy either orgy or

1:15:48

fuck. That's what, that's where he met Danny was,

1:15:50

you know, we, you know, I was a big

1:15:52

ministry fan and obviously not in snails. And we

1:15:55

found this band screw that was from

1:15:57

Austin, Texas. And we got the

1:15:59

demos. This thing is really cool. It's really heavy, but

1:16:01

it's got that industrial vibe to it. So

1:16:04

they were, we put them in the studio

1:16:06

where a bunch of bands would go as

1:16:08

in Antonio, Texas. This guy was a big

1:16:10

pecan farmer, multimillionaire pecan farmer, who was a

1:16:12

musician. So he made the state of the

1:16:15

art studio there. So we would send

1:16:17

bands over there to record. It was in

1:16:19

El Paso. So it was, you know, close

1:16:21

to Austin. So anyway, Screw is in there

1:16:24

recording and Al Jorgensen was recording there also.

1:16:26

And they obviously became friends because they're doing

1:16:29

similar stuff. And you know, Al said,

1:16:31

Hey, I'll help you guys out on the record.

1:16:33

And I went down there and I was talking

1:16:35

to Al and I said, well, that's cool. Again,

1:16:37

what do you want? You know, if you're

1:16:39

going to produce the record or something, we can't pay

1:16:41

you or we'll give you a point. What do you want?

1:16:43

He goes, give me a case of Jack Daniels. And that's,

1:16:46

that's all I need. You're sure? So yeah. So that

1:16:49

was Danny's first band. So it's got

1:16:51

to be in touch with him. That

1:16:54

was before Anchor Wat? I

1:16:57

think it was trying to remember now that

1:16:59

I think Anchor Wat was first. And I

1:17:01

think they kind of morphed into Screw. And

1:17:03

we did both of those bands, by the

1:17:05

way. And Screw was, Screw

1:17:08

was industrial-ish, right? Yeah. I remember he

1:17:10

played it for me a couple of

1:17:12

times. Danny's not really into

1:17:14

playing his old shit for people or playing his

1:17:16

shit for friends at all, unless it's brand new.

1:17:18

He's just working on some brand new, he'll sit

1:17:21

me down and ask me what I think. But

1:17:23

like, he doesn't like bringing up old shit. Yeah.

1:17:28

Well, you know, it was really good. He's a

1:17:30

great dude. He was, he told us a

1:17:32

story once where he was out on the

1:17:34

Foo Fighters, their first tour.

1:17:36

I don't think he was playing with

1:17:39

them. He was hanging out with them or whatever. So he

1:17:41

called, he called Mike Faley, who

1:17:43

also works with Metal Blade. He called him and

1:17:45

said, dude, I'm out with

1:17:47

the Foo Fighters and like Dave Grohl's

1:17:49

CD cases, all Metal Blade stuff. And

1:17:51

I'm like, really? He's like, yeah, they're totally shit. That's

1:17:53

crazy. Yeah. They're talking about,

1:17:56

they're talking about it now cause

1:17:58

I just, I'm a massive. Smashing

1:18:00

pumpkins fan, just as much as Queens, right?

1:18:02

I just I love smashing pumpkins. You too.

1:18:05

And and

1:18:07

I was just I

1:18:09

was this. Oh, that was a video. Billy

1:18:11

Corrigan's top 11 metal

1:18:14

bands and we saw that. I

1:18:16

was like, that's it was really cool to see that. Well,

1:18:19

he's a he's a as you

1:18:21

saw in that in that video, he's a

1:18:24

massive, merciful, faking diamond fence. Yes, yes, yes.

1:18:26

He talked about the pumpkins were really big.

1:18:29

And again, you kind of had to keep that stuff

1:18:31

on to wraps. Like he would always call us whenever,

1:18:33

you know, King or Marshall Fayette would go through Dallas

1:18:35

and we put him on the list. And he's been

1:18:37

trying to get he's been trying to get King

1:18:40

to do something with him or get up on

1:18:42

stage with King for years. And King wants to

1:18:44

do it as well for either Mercy or or

1:18:46

King Dyer. He hasn't worked out whether

1:18:49

they're in the same room. But he's a massive

1:18:51

fan of of merciful faking that when

1:18:53

I heard that, I was like, kind of makes sense.

1:18:55

I mean, melancholy is some of that record is really

1:18:57

heavy. Yeah, yeah,

1:19:00

especially like bodies.

1:19:05

There's some like Slayer riffs in there, you know what I

1:19:07

mean? Then

1:19:12

what was I going to say? Oh, with

1:19:15

smashing pumpkins. I've

1:19:19

seen them live a few times over the years.

1:19:22

And you know, I miss it.

1:19:26

Not not not. Yeah, I love them on

1:19:28

record, man. But live sometimes you just it

1:19:30

doesn't sound like maybe it's the monitors or

1:19:32

whatever. And then and they,

1:19:35

you know, they went through the

1:19:37

smashing pumpkins era, like in the

1:19:39

2000s and the 2010s, where it

1:19:41

was just Billy and a bunch

1:19:43

of random musicians. You know, they

1:19:45

didn't have James or or

1:19:48

Chamberlain. They so

1:19:51

those were, you know, they weren't that successful.

1:19:53

Those tours and those albums. But

1:19:57

they hit a level.

1:20:00

When they when they did the reunion, I mean,

1:20:03

they didn't get Darcy back, but they got everybody. And

1:20:05

when they played the fucking forum, I

1:20:07

go, hey, let's go. I went with Danny. Me

1:20:10

and that me and Danny, we go to the

1:20:12

forum. We didn't get great seats, little risers, no

1:20:14

big deal. Let's just relax and check it out.

1:20:16

And I've been to 17 million

1:20:19

shows and I'm not even I'm

1:20:21

not even joking. It was

1:20:23

it was smashing pumpkins on

1:20:25

that Madonna level where every song

1:20:28

I don't know how much that

1:20:30

tour costs, but every song was

1:20:32

a different fucking music video. They

1:20:35

went. I don't know if you saw that

1:20:37

tour, but I saw it at T-Mobile here

1:20:39

in Vegas. This is important,

1:20:41

by the way. Was that with

1:20:43

Lizzie Borden, by the way? Wait,

1:20:46

Lizzie Borden opened up. No, no, he was with me when we

1:20:48

went to the show. Oh, oh, you were

1:20:50

with Lizzie Borden. Oh, yeah. So me and Danny

1:20:52

go to the show. And now it's not, you know,

1:20:54

the last time I saw Smashing Pumpkin, it was like

1:20:57

think of the Irvine Meadows or something. And, you know,

1:20:59

they just had like a little stage set up, little

1:21:01

curtains in the back, nice little lights. Every song

1:21:03

looked the same. They didn't put that much money

1:21:05

into they weren't selling that

1:21:07

many records. It wasn't like the high point

1:21:09

for Smashing Pumpkins. But when they announced that

1:21:12

reunion, dude, I don't know. I

1:21:14

think Billy just said because I saw him

1:21:16

again and they scaled back. Like now they

1:21:18

scaled the show back down. Maybe they didn't

1:21:20

make any money. But fuck that show. I

1:21:23

swear to God, after every fucking song,

1:21:25

I swear to God, everybody, me and

1:21:27

me and Danny would just look at

1:21:29

each other and everybody around was like

1:21:32

going, what the fuck was that? Smashing

1:21:35

Pumpkins with like a Madonna

1:21:37

production. People were fucking

1:21:39

blown after every fucking song. Everybody's

1:21:42

mind. Danny Loner, he's the he's

1:21:44

the biggest critic ever. He talks

1:21:46

shit on every band. And

1:21:49

I do, too. I talk. I will

1:21:51

not fake shit. But me and Danny are

1:21:53

looking at each other going, fuck, dude. This is

1:21:55

insane. And then you realize how good those

1:21:57

songs are. They got like 30. amazing

1:22:00

songs. My only complaint

1:22:02

about that tour is three and a

1:22:05

half hours. I'm

1:22:09

amazed when I was like very bad. I don't want to say I

1:22:11

made and played. Yeah, that's too long. That's too

1:22:13

long. Too long. Like 45, fine. But

1:22:16

this is a different rate. And then he had the,

1:22:19

in my opinion, the greatest live guitar solo

1:22:21

of all fucking time. Me

1:22:23

the greatest. He had like

1:22:25

this, like an orchestra with

1:22:27

him and he's shredding. He's

1:22:30

good. Billy Corrigan shreds. He was

1:22:32

doing everything he was doing in. And

1:22:34

it's like the lights. It was like

1:22:36

a light show, a guitar solo with

1:22:38

a light show. You know, cause like

1:22:40

when Eddie Van Halen, you know, did

1:22:42

eruption, it was not extro, like he

1:22:45

was just out here shredding. Maybe I'd

1:22:47

write a red light or white light

1:22:49

or something, but dude, Billy Corrigan, it

1:22:51

was so crazy. And then after that,

1:22:53

so the lights go out and then the

1:22:55

piano comes out and he, he does what's

1:22:58

taboo generally at all guitar centers. You can't

1:23:00

play stairway to heaven, dog. Shut the fuck

1:23:02

up with that. But he did. He played

1:23:04

it on piano and sang it and he

1:23:06

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second song of the season. The second

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one of the season. The second one

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of the time. The second one of

1:23:47

the time. The second one of the

1:23:49

season. The second one of

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the season. The second one of the

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season. In

1:28:04

the next new order In

1:28:08

the next

1:28:11

new order Your

1:28:23

heart is coming and you won't know

1:28:25

In case you don't know You're

1:28:29

the part of this car

1:28:31

that you join in Dead

1:28:34

lady, can you hear me when I'm

1:28:36

gone? And as

1:28:38

you know, you

1:28:41

stay away as

1:28:43

I'm the best

1:28:46

away In

1:28:57

the next new

1:28:59

order Oh

1:29:40

Oh Oh

1:29:50

Oh Oh

1:30:00

It's a wild out down the road

1:30:02

Sing it! Our

1:30:05

shadow's stronger than a soul Come

1:30:07

on, baby That

1:30:09

box's laid, we all know Whose

1:30:14

shadows lie what it wants to show

1:30:19

How everything's still just to

1:30:21

go Oh,

1:30:24

we're feeling it's very hard

1:30:28

It's your coming, we're left We're

1:30:33

not a one and one is down Still

1:30:38

there, another round Oh,

1:30:58

we're feeling it's

1:31:00

very hard He

1:31:27

sounded great He had a chick singing along

1:31:29

with him And you know the in-ears changed

1:31:31

everything Now everybody got in-ears You could actually

1:31:33

hear yourself You know, usually when singers sound

1:31:35

like shit live It's because they can't hear

1:31:38

themselves They're like the monitors are in the

1:31:40

right spot They're running around, they can't hear

1:31:42

themselves But once they started having

1:31:44

in-ears I don't know, like 20 years ago Live

1:31:47

sound It seems like now they perfected live

1:31:49

sound I saw Who

1:31:52

was it? Stone

1:31:55

Temple Pilots And was it Smashing Pumpkins again? Yeah,

1:31:57

it was Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots in

1:32:00

Irvine, not Irvine Meadows, but that

1:32:03

new arena. Yeah, the new place.

1:32:05

Yeah. Yeah. I

1:32:07

was never the biggest stone temple pilots fan.

1:32:09

I never really was. It just wasn't my

1:32:11

cup of tea. But God damn, they sounded

1:32:13

great. God damn. The sound is they got

1:32:16

the sound dialed down. Like they they've mastered

1:32:18

the live sound because every time I go

1:32:20

to see a live band, they sound amazing.

1:32:23

Well, all the technology in the in your the

1:32:25

in your strange the in big time for singers,

1:32:27

because before you had to, you know, the monitors,

1:32:29

I really can't, you know, be fighting with the

1:32:31

guitar player for the monitors and the guitar player

1:32:33

playing so loud. And you would see a lot

1:32:35

of my roommates, my favorite band. I've seen them

1:32:37

over 300 times. And, you know,

1:32:39

back in the 80s, even the little

1:32:42

bit in the 90s, like, you know, Bruce would

1:32:44

Bruce would constantly be firing monitor guys. I

1:32:46

mean, issues with the monitors and, you know,

1:32:48

he wasn't perfect every night

1:32:50

as much as he is now. And now

1:32:52

when you see him now, like every time

1:32:55

you see him, he sounds he sounds perfect.

1:32:57

Because the same thing. Everything all monitors. And

1:32:59

even if they use monitors on stage, it's

1:33:01

everything's perfected now and give a lot of

1:33:03

technology to make everything sound really good. It

1:33:05

sounds good in the house. You know, people

1:33:07

know how to how to manipulate the sound

1:33:09

now. Or yeah, back, you know, in the

1:33:12

70s and 80s, you got to shows and

1:33:14

some shows would sound great and others would

1:33:16

just be a mess. But now pretty much

1:33:18

with all the technology and how these people

1:33:20

understand how rooms work and how to make

1:33:22

the sound good and where to put the

1:33:24

PAs and stuff. That's a much better experience

1:33:27

now. Yeah. And the crazy thing, too, is

1:33:29

like Slayer underground steady dominating

1:33:31

the underground steady decade after decade.

1:33:33

Then they do their farewell, farewell

1:33:35

to it. Now they're in arenas.

1:33:39

You know, the Slayer Slayer at the Forum

1:33:41

like you would never think Slayer at the

1:33:43

Forum, and it was insane. I'm sure you

1:33:45

were at all the shows. Absolutely. Well, the

1:33:47

funny thing about the Forum shows was it

1:33:49

just, you know, I mean, for those guys,

1:33:51

I grew up in Southern California. So the

1:33:53

Forum was always for all this, they grew

1:33:55

up in Southern California. You know, that's the

1:33:57

pinnacle of where you would always want to.

1:34:00

play. So they were like, you

1:34:02

know, completely freaked out. They're playing there

1:34:04

these two nights. So the first night,

1:34:06

you know, Kerry would not

1:34:08

tell me the set list. And

1:34:10

I said, Why? He said, I said, I

1:34:13

don't really care. But he's like,

1:34:15

I'm not gonna tell you, but you'll see. So

1:34:18

they come out and they played they

1:34:21

played the panelist that song off their last studio

1:34:23

record. And then they played like five straight songs

1:34:25

off show no mercy. So I'm sitting going,

1:34:28

are they gonna play the whole

1:34:30

record? What is what is going on here? Like, Kerry

1:34:32

promised me, but yeah, they

1:34:34

went through like, I said, five, I think it

1:34:36

was the first the next five songs are all

1:34:38

from show no mercy. Holy shit. So blew me

1:34:41

away that here, here they are

1:34:43

headline the forum, the last shows and, you

1:34:45

know, this little record we made in 1983

1:34:47

that kind of changed the world for

1:34:49

them and for me as well. They

1:34:51

start playing all the songs was a great just mind

1:34:54

blowing seeing that whole thing happen. Yeah, I

1:34:56

took black magic and made that into hip

1:34:58

hop hip hop song to a remix did

1:35:03

what I love Dave

1:35:05

Lombardo so goddamn much. Do

1:35:07

you think they'll ever I mean, I know recently,

1:35:10

it just seems like they all hate each other now. Yeah,

1:35:13

I love day two. I love Dave a lot.

1:35:15

And he's quick for the story about

1:35:18

that. So I went to see Metallica

1:35:20

in in Dallas. So I'm backstage before the

1:35:22

gig and I'm talking with Lars and Charlie.

1:35:25

There's a bad drum kits and drum stuff.

1:35:27

And I forget how it came up. But

1:35:29

I said, well, my favorite metal drummer of

1:35:31

all time, Dave Lombardo, and they both like

1:35:33

walked away like fuck you as I give

1:35:36

me shit. But but he is

1:35:38

my favorite metal drummer of all time. It's

1:35:40

Dave. He's just such a phenomenal man, a

1:35:42

really great dude. And I was asking him,

1:35:44

I saw him somewhere I forget either at

1:35:46

a misfit show or something.

1:35:48

Anyway, we're talking and I said, would you if you have

1:35:51

the opportunity, this is, you know, while slayers doing their

1:35:53

last thing, would you would you come up and play

1:35:56

a song that the last the last show you like

1:35:58

do I would love to, it would be the greatest

1:36:00

thing I would love to do it. I

1:36:03

went to the Slayer camp and asked everybody around and

1:36:05

they all said, if you can get

1:36:07

Kerry to agree to it, we're all in, but

1:36:09

I don't think so. So I went to Kerry

1:36:11

and I know what happened, I

1:36:14

know why there's the split there and I

1:36:16

get it. I get it and I understand

1:36:18

the whole thing. I think even Dave feels

1:36:20

bad about it, but whatever. I

1:36:22

went to Kerry, just a song

1:36:25

at the end, just to wrap it

1:36:27

all up, the original member, the fans

1:36:29

would freak out, would be amazing. He's

1:36:31

like, no, can't do it. I

1:36:33

totally respect that. Dave

1:36:39

left the mind try a couple of times, I

1:36:41

think, and Kerry is like, no, we're just not

1:36:43

going to do it. Like

1:36:46

I said, I totally respect that I get it. He

1:36:48

said he's one of my best friends, so I understand

1:36:50

the whole thing, but it would have been cool if

1:36:52

that would have happened. But

1:36:54

Dave's doing great. He's in 100 amazing bands

1:36:56

and he's still playing phenomenal. Yeah.

1:36:59

What's the latest? I know Kerry King is about

1:37:02

to release an album, he just released a single.

1:37:06

Is that on Metal Blade? No, we

1:37:08

didn't end up doing it. He's

1:37:10

had a long relationship with this guy, Gerardo, who used

1:37:13

to work in Nuclear Blast. Him

1:37:16

and Gerardo worked together really, really well

1:37:18

on a business level. In

1:37:20

a weird way, it would have been weird for me to do

1:37:22

it, just because we're such good friends that

1:37:26

mixing the business part in. We talk stuff like that

1:37:28

all the time, but it would have freaked me out,

1:37:31

because I'm like, oh my God, we can't. It's one

1:37:33

of my best friends if I fuck this up, I'm in trouble.

1:37:36

So they had to deal with Gerardo. It's fine, I

1:37:38

love Gerardo. But the record's

1:37:40

amazing. The first song came out, it's called Idle Hands. It's

1:37:43

awesome. I've heard the whole record. Yeah, I've heard

1:37:45

that, yeah. The whole record's phenomenal. I cannot wait

1:37:48

for people to hear it. It's so good. And

1:37:50

the band he's got are number one,

1:37:53

amazing people, and also

1:37:55

amazing players. It's Phil Demos playing

1:37:57

rhythm guitar. I don't know the

1:37:59

guy. I

1:40:00

got burnt out on it. I was just like growing in

1:40:02

different directions. But so I never I

1:40:05

never could he think and Chuck

1:40:07

showed their thing. Chuck

1:40:09

was one of the most talented guys I've ever

1:40:11

seen. And also one of the nicest guys, just

1:40:13

a really, a real sweetheart guy. But he gets

1:40:15

a little I mean, because his musical knowledge was

1:40:17

pretty amazing, too. Like he liked everything from, you

1:40:20

know, King Crimson and Genesis to, you know, all

1:40:22

the call to classic stuff that we talked about,

1:40:24

you know, kids and Lizzie and all

1:40:26

that sort of stuff. And then, you know, all the obviously the heavier

1:40:28

stuff. So we and jazz and other things.

1:40:30

He was into a lot of different music. So super

1:40:33

talented guy. I mean, I literally think he

1:40:35

could do whatever style of music he wanted

1:40:38

to do, even if he wanted to do

1:40:40

something like a frog or jazz or something.

1:40:42

He could probably pull it off. So I

1:40:44

think I just think, you know, all those

1:40:47

years of just like that growling would would

1:40:49

ruin like a beautiful voice. You know what

1:40:51

I mean? I don't know. I would just

1:40:53

figure like all that screaming and growling. For

1:40:55

I've learned a lot because we have a

1:40:57

lot of bands that sing that way. I

1:40:59

always like how how do you do this?

1:41:01

And the way you do it is it's

1:41:04

there is an art to it, of course.

1:41:06

But you basically sing from your diaphragm. This

1:41:08

is the way any singer does it. But

1:41:10

you sing from your diaphragm where you come

1:41:12

everything. All the the notes and the breathing

1:41:14

and the voice come from there. So even

1:41:16

when you're doing that really heavy

1:41:18

stuff, it's coming from from here. It's coming

1:41:20

from inside. It's not coming from your vocals.

1:41:22

Because I asked these all these death metal

1:41:24

guys, like, how can you do it like

1:41:26

an entire tour? And a lot of times

1:41:28

they're doing it, they're playing like six nights

1:41:30

a week. And how do you not boil

1:41:32

your voice out? Because they've learned to sing

1:41:34

where they're really not using their voice nearly

1:41:36

as much as the breathing part of it.

1:41:38

And having it come from, you know, your

1:41:40

basically your stomach part. That's

1:41:42

how it all works. So you can do

1:41:44

that without really messing your voice up. But

1:41:46

you've got a singing voice. I mean, look,

1:41:49

for example, at Jesse from Kill, Switch, Engage

1:41:51

or Howard, the singer, Beforehand, where they both

1:41:53

have this incredible, beautiful singing voice, like clean

1:41:55

singing voice. But then they can also go

1:41:58

in and do the real heavy. heavy stuff

1:42:00

and go back and forth and it works.

1:42:03

Kind of like Tom Keefer a little bit,

1:42:05

right? Cause Tom Keefer would have that extreme

1:42:08

ACDC, Brian Johnson voice, but then he'd have

1:42:10

a pretty, pretty angelic voice as well. Oh

1:42:13

yeah, great singer. And they are unfairly

1:42:15

thrown into that a whole hair metal

1:42:17

world. They were like a really good

1:42:19

bluesy rock and roll band, not

1:42:21

hair metal. I love Heartbreak Station

1:42:23

still won. That's on my all time playlist,

1:42:25

man. Heartbreak Station. That's great. I love it.

1:42:28

I love it. There's one band. This

1:42:31

might, this might be my favorite heavy metal

1:42:33

album of all time. They only had one

1:42:35

good album, Icon,

1:42:38

their debut. Do you like that one?

1:42:41

Absolutely. That album

1:42:43

is so good. Oh

1:42:46

my God. Rock on through the night. Killer

1:42:48

machine, a world war. They only

1:42:50

have two bad songs. The single, the one

1:42:52

that they chose on your feet. Like,

1:42:54

dang, you picked that as a single. That was the worst song

1:42:56

on the album. That world war,

1:42:59

Hot Desert Night, under the gun

1:43:01

or under my gun, you're under

1:43:03

my gun. Oh, the instrumental, Icono

1:43:06

class, that 92nd instrumental. I

1:43:08

never get tired of that instrumental. I

1:43:10

put that music over like Jujitsu videos

1:43:12

all the time and everyone's like, what

1:43:14

song is that? It's like,

1:43:16

it's a band that went under

1:43:19

the fucking, under the, it's just

1:43:21

like underground and nobody bought their

1:43:23

shit. And I, again, just like

1:43:26

Exciter, I read a

1:43:28

review in Circus Magazine, said all

1:43:30

this album's fucking insane. You gotta

1:43:32

get as heavy as fucking, you

1:43:35

know? And I'm like, okay. Rode my bike all

1:43:37

the way to Music Plus, pulled

1:43:39

out the album. And let me see if

1:43:41

I can find the album there. And... I've

1:43:45

been listening to that for a while. I'll have to go back and

1:43:47

listen. That's a classic though. Dude, dude. I

1:43:49

never get tired of that one though. I never

1:43:52

watch a boom, bam, boom, boom, boom, boom,

1:43:55

boom. Okay.

1:44:00

Maybe we just go. Icon

1:44:06

band metal. Boom.

1:44:10

So I gotta find the back

1:44:12

of the album cover. So I get

1:44:15

the music plus I turn the album

1:44:17

album cover over and

1:44:20

I see this. God

1:44:22

damn it. You see that

1:44:24

big one right there this one right here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uploading.

1:44:27

Come on, dawg. You

1:44:29

gotta upload it. And I

1:44:31

looked at this piece of

1:44:34

shit. Well,

1:44:36

it's this one. Hopefully we can do it. Dude,

1:44:39

they look like shit. They

1:44:41

look like they look like the

1:44:44

drummer with the red jacket on

1:44:47

the bottom left. He's got like

1:44:49

Duran Duran hair. The singers like

1:44:51

I was like and then the guy on the top

1:44:54

all the way to the right. He looks like he's

1:44:56

in Kaja Gugu. You know what

1:44:58

I mean? That was kind

1:45:00

of the look back then though. I think

1:45:02

they just they were just a regular band

1:45:04

that they said, dude,

1:45:06

you guys gotta do something here.

1:45:08

Put these clothes on because it's like, okay,

1:45:11

we gotta look like we're LA. Look

1:45:13

at the one under the metal archives. It

1:45:16

looks like that's a more updated picture. They

1:45:18

I think that they reformed at some point.

1:45:20

No, they did. They did. They

1:45:22

actually they put out a second album. But

1:45:25

the second album is called Night of the Crime. It

1:45:27

was horrible. They what happened

1:45:29

is they did that. That first album was

1:45:31

so goddamn good. It was so goddamn good

1:45:34

that but

1:45:36

nobody bought it because they shouldn't have never

1:45:38

put that picture up because I almost didn't

1:45:40

buy it. I was at the store going,

1:45:43

I don't know about this band. This

1:45:45

looks like Kaja Gugu. I don't know.

1:45:48

This don't look like authentic metal. This looks like they look

1:45:50

like posers to me. I was like, these guys are posers.

1:45:53

But I bought it. That's the one that had to look

1:45:55

though back then, unfortunately. But

1:45:57

the hair though. I could get away with

1:45:59

the clothes and all that. Cause that's like Motley Crue, you

1:46:01

know what I mean? But the hair fucked with me, man.

1:46:03

Like the hair, that scream, like you really didn't have long

1:46:05

hair, but you're trying to poof it out. Right,

1:46:08

right, yeah. But I still bought

1:46:10

it. And dude, I

1:46:12

never gotten tired of that album.

1:46:14

I've never gotten under my

1:46:17

gun. Get the fuck out of

1:46:19

here. It's so good. And

1:46:21

even the song Rock and Roll

1:46:23

Maniac, amazing song. Killer Machine. Oh,

1:46:26

I love that. And

1:46:30

you know this, and then nobody

1:46:32

bought that first album. So their second

1:46:34

album, they were on Capitol. Their second

1:46:36

album, they said, okay, we're gonna bring

1:46:38

in good old Bob Halligan Jr. to

1:46:40

write some of your hits. Remember him,

1:46:42

he wrote, I think he wrote, you

1:46:44

got another thing coming. Or- They

1:46:47

were from, I'm looking right now, they're from

1:46:49

Phoenix, that's right. I remember, cause I'm

1:46:52

just trying to remember, cause I remember the record,

1:46:54

I'm gonna go back and listen to it either

1:46:56

today or tomorrow for sure. I'm on

1:46:58

a plane tomorrow, so I'll listen to tomorrow. But

1:47:00

yeah, they're from Phoenix. I wanna say that

1:47:02

I saw them at a, there

1:47:05

used to be this old little tiny club in

1:47:07

Phoenix called the Mason jar, which was about the

1:47:09

size of somebody's living room pretty much. You could

1:47:11

like reach up and touch the ceiling. But

1:47:14

I think I saw them there, and they actually were

1:47:16

pretty good. Cause that was like early

1:47:18

80s. The second album,

1:47:21

like I said, they basically, I'm

1:47:24

sure they told them something like, hey, listen, we're gonna bring

1:47:26

in Bob Halligan Jr. to help

1:47:28

you write songs, which they didn't need.

1:47:30

They're amazing songwriters. But that

1:47:32

album, the second album was super

1:47:35

polished, super poppy, sounded like

1:47:37

shit. I tried to like it.

1:47:40

There's one or two songs that

1:47:42

were all right, out for blood and whites of

1:47:44

their eyes. A couple of songs, but it was

1:47:46

super poppy. And then

1:47:49

after that, the singer left. They kept

1:47:51

it going, they put a couple more

1:47:53

albums out. And recently, recently I told

1:47:55

my whole icon story on an

1:47:57

Instagram post, like maybe five years ago.

1:47:59

whole story I just told you I'm like

1:48:02

this bad right here nobody knows about this

1:48:04

BAM of fuck and

1:48:07

and I don't know if they

1:48:09

read that or anything I don't know but there

1:48:11

was about two years ago I heard

1:48:15

an interview is on full-in bloom you ever

1:48:17

listen to full-in bloom yeah I

1:48:19

love full moon they interviewed icon and they

1:48:21

said they're getting back together they're getting that

1:48:23

all the boys back and they're gonna do

1:48:25

it there's like a resurgence going on but

1:48:27

I haven't heard anything so I'm waiting that

1:48:30

happens there's a couple festivals a

1:48:32

festival in Europe called keep it true it's pretty

1:48:34

big family it's not huge but it's like you

1:48:36

know five six thousand people and they're like that's

1:48:38

their thing is they go back and they find

1:48:41

all these iconic funny

1:48:43

enough bands like that that are

1:48:45

that one album or broke up or something and

1:48:47

they try to bring them back together and they're

1:48:49

paying them a bunch of money to fly to

1:48:51

Germany and that all there's there's an underground network

1:48:53

of people that love that stuff so wouldn't surprise

1:48:55

me yeah yeah man so

1:48:57

what's what's the latest with metal

1:48:59

blade who are your what

1:49:02

who's the latest artist you just signed that

1:49:04

you want to push so

1:49:06

we got this band that's got a record coming

1:49:09

out a couple months that I'm an old guy

1:49:11

I've seen thousands of concerts I

1:49:13

don't get excited about much anymore but there's

1:49:15

a span called 200 stab wounds who

1:49:18

I like they're from Cleveland Ohio

1:49:20

young kids that are really

1:49:22

20s they put out like

1:49:24

a record on their own which on a

1:49:27

small label which were reassuring but

1:49:29

they're kind of like a cross between

1:49:31

cannibal corpse and power trip to know

1:49:33

the band power trip the threat thrashing

1:49:35

band I never

1:49:37

looked I never looked into power trip but I

1:49:40

heard the name you know super thrashing likes you

1:49:42

know deaf ain't like early death angel X's real

1:49:45

old-school thrash so they're kind of

1:49:47

a mixture of the two and it just and they're

1:49:49

really refreshing they but why they blew me away they

1:49:51

played first of all I'm late psycho fest which was

1:49:54

give you that big festival out here in Vegas for

1:49:56

a couple years and I never seen in the four

1:49:58

they came in and they I'll watch

1:50:00

them, it's like three in the afternoon. I was blown

1:50:02

away. I was like, oh my God, the energy of

1:50:04

these guys, the songwriting is so

1:50:06

great. The singers really, I mean, they

1:50:08

have it together. There's massive buzz on

1:50:11

them right now. Like buzz on them

1:50:13

is crazy. Like all their social media

1:50:15

numbers are crazy. So

1:50:17

they gotta, we put out the first single a couple of

1:50:19

weeks ago and then the record's coming out pretty soon and

1:50:21

then they're- Is it on YouTube? Can I see it on

1:50:23

YouTube? Yeah, it's up there. Okay, let's

1:50:25

see this. They're one of those

1:50:28

really good bands that, you know, utilize

1:50:30

TikTok. TikTok's become kind of my favorite thing

1:50:32

these days to have discovered new music. I

1:50:34

discovered, do you know that band Monoskin? No.

1:50:38

Did you check them out? They're like a

1:50:40

really cool rock band. They're from Italy. They're

1:50:42

massive now. They headlined a tour in the

1:50:45

States and they sold the Forum, they sold

1:50:47

the Garden. They opened for the Rolling Stones

1:50:49

here in Vegas. It's all sorts of

1:50:51

crazy stuff. So they

1:50:53

don't reality, is that the one? Yep. Let's

1:50:56

hear it. ["FACETY"]

1:51:04

Can you still see it? Can you see it? Hey, hey, yeah.

1:51:09

Oh shit. Oh

1:51:20

shit. It's

1:51:26

heavy. ["FACETY"]

1:51:53

Like the stuff you listened to years ago. North

1:56:00

record probably early next year, and

1:56:03

who kill switch engage record probably later

1:56:05

this year. And there's

1:56:07

just a constant stream of stuff. Is

1:56:10

metal blade bigger than ever now? Yeah.

1:56:13

Yeah, we know we're doing really

1:56:15

well. The weirdest thing was, I

1:56:17

mean, it makes sense looking back,

1:56:19

but the COVID years were some

1:56:21

of our biggest years ever. Like we had

1:56:23

massive years. And I think it was-

1:56:25

Why do you think that was? Well, a couple of reasons.

1:56:27

We went back because we have such a massive catalog. We

1:56:30

went back and reused a ton of stuff on vinyl that

1:56:32

we hadn't done before, or

1:56:34

we were redoing in different versions, like, you know,

1:56:37

Marshall Fade or King Diamond, whatever it was. And

1:56:40

I think because nobody's going anywhere,

1:56:42

you can't go to a concert, you can't go

1:56:44

to a movie, you can't do anything, you're staying

1:56:46

at home. So, you know, if you're lucky enough

1:56:48

to be making enough money, people were spending more

1:56:50

and more money on music. And they also have

1:56:52

more time to go check out stuff. So they're

1:56:54

going to their Spotify's or YouTube's or Apple Music

1:56:56

or whatever, and listening to bands they

1:56:58

may not have heard about, or they wanted to spend

1:57:01

more time in. So there's a lot more time, but

1:57:03

you can't go anywhere, to

1:57:05

stay home and listen to music. So

1:57:07

those two years were incredible for us.

1:57:10

And we kind of knew coming back when concerts were coming

1:57:13

back now, it was going to be a little tougher because

1:57:15

people are going out and spending a lot of money going

1:57:17

to concerts, because they haven't been able to do it for,

1:57:19

you know, pretty much a couple of years. So

1:57:22

it's been a little like, we're still flat,

1:57:24

which is good because of how

1:57:26

good we did it before, because we're not

1:57:28

competing with, but you know, the people are

1:57:30

spending a lot of money on that. But

1:57:33

yeah, I mean, all these records coming out, doing

1:57:35

really well, everything's doing great at the company. And

1:57:37

you release all of them still on vinyl? Almost

1:57:41

everything. Yeah, I'd say. Almost everything on

1:57:43

vinyl. People still do on vinyl, huh?

1:57:45

Yeah, vinyl's still massively, massively huge. So

1:57:47

I'd say, you know, the smaller bands,

1:57:50

sometimes we don't do a lot of vinyl

1:57:52

on, unless they're like maybe a band from

1:57:54

Europe that wants to do

1:57:56

it. We have this really crazy band called, if these trees

1:57:58

could talk, that's it's called That's

2:00:00

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2:00:03

thank you very much for taking

2:00:05

the time and sharing your story.

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And I appreciate it. And hopefully we

2:00:10

could do a part two sometime soon. Hell

2:00:12

yeah, man. Thanks for having me on. It's always fun.

2:00:14

And yeah, it was great talking to you for sure.

2:00:17

Hell yeah, man. I'll talk to you soon, man. All

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