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you. Welcome. Also with us,

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Mr. Andy Inako, W.G. B.H.

1:34

Boston. Hello Andrew. Hello. Where

1:37

are the red socks? Yes.

1:39

We're always plapped. Is there

1:41

snow there? It looks like there is

1:43

behind you. Only tiny, only tiny bits. It's

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been, it's been, it's been, it's been the

1:47

thing we're not supposed to worry about where

1:49

it's 53 degrees and you start at least getting

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out the box where you pack up all

1:54

the sweaters and then the next day it's

1:56

like 28 degrees and you're like, oh I

1:58

forgot, it's the 21st century. Yeah, yeah. Welcome

2:00

to the 21st century where no one

2:02

knows what's gonna happen next. And also

2:05

with us, Mr. Alex Lindsay from Office

2:07

Hours Global. Hello Alex. It's good to

2:09

be here. Wonderful to see you as

2:12

always. So I was kind of hoping

2:14

the Macbook air would come out today

2:16

just so we'd have something to talk

2:19

about. But Apple threw me a curve.

2:21

They released a new updated iPad air

2:23

with an M3 processor in it. Yeah,

2:25

something was certainly in the air. Isn't

2:28

what I wanted in the air? Yeah,

2:30

is that, maybe that's why what Tim

2:32

was saying is that two things in

2:35

the air or something. Yeah, it's weird.

2:37

German was like, German's thing was that,

2:39

oh, we're definitely getting the iPad, we're

2:42

definitely getting the M4, Macbook Air, we

2:44

might even, we'll probably even get some

2:46

new iPads, but they pull the old

2:49

switcharoo, or switch, it was just. There's

2:51

Apple Newsroom, has a post, here's a

2:53

new thing, here's a new, here's a

2:55

new, here's a couple of new things

2:58

on the, on the Apple store. I

3:00

even missed immediately that in addition to

3:02

the new iPad air, there was a

3:05

new 11th generation iPad, so there's really

3:07

nothing, it's not as though they're going

3:09

to be stealing the press thunder and

3:12

losing the new cycle by also releasing

3:14

a new Mac, a new Macbook, particularly

3:16

if all they did was put a

3:19

new M4 processor. Pro, I didn't realize

3:21

the air also came in 13 inches.

3:23

So there's two sizes, 11 and 13.

3:25

Blue, purple, starlight, space, gray, storage up

3:28

to a terabyte. Yeah, so they would

3:30

increase storage. Which I always order a

3:32

terabyte now. I just, I don't know

3:35

why, I never fill it up, but

3:37

it's just nice to have. I'm going

3:39

through that now where I'm so glad

3:42

that I prompt for the maximum amount

3:44

of storage on my M1 iPad program

3:46

because the ability to simply say, I

3:48

don't know if I'm going to want

3:51

to watch these eight movies, but hey,

3:53

I'll copy it on there anyway. That's

3:55

paid off. Fingerprint reader, which I like,

3:58

you know, I almost, I love that

4:00

on my mini. I almost wish I

4:02

had that as an option. How hard

4:05

could it put it both face ID

4:07

and touch ID in one machine? I

4:09

just, I wish they would. Also, also

4:12

face ID on the iPad still. kind

4:14

of cumbersome. I don't know what the

4:16

right answer is. Yeah, I kind of

4:18

prefer the touch ID. I much prefer

4:21

it. Yeah. Plus, because I'm often using

4:23

the iPad many in bed and my

4:25

face is all squenched up. Exactly. Exactly.

4:28

I'm watching movies like with my iPad

4:30

like on my belly and I have

4:32

to sort of like make that horrible

4:35

like. Quadruple chin move to lift up

4:37

just yes yes you know what you

4:39

know what maybe maybe I don't want

4:42

to sign in I don't want to

4:44

it's probably good for my core but

4:46

I don't need to buy that a

4:48

little crunch that's the the iPad air

4:51

crunch or the iPad the face ID

4:53

crunch we just set up a little

4:55

bit the other thing is I'm often

4:58

watching my mini when I'm brushing my

5:00

teeth and it seems to not recognize

5:02

me when I have something stuck in

5:05

my mouth make your own joke. M3

5:07

are we disappointed about the M3 that's

5:09

kind of a Feel like that was

5:11

a kind of an interim chip in

5:14

between the great M2 and the even

5:16

better M4 Well, yeah, at least that's

5:18

what we heard on the the you

5:21

know the Mac side of things right

5:23

that that was part of the oh,

5:25

maybe you should hold out and wait

5:28

for that to come I did want

5:30

to quickly note. Yeah, the M2 iPad

5:32

air was the first one to offer

5:35

the 13-inch model Okay, thank you for

5:37

a repeat here and but that I

5:39

was surprised to see that you know

5:41

you can kind of get some information

5:44

about what the company thinks is successful

5:46

based on obviously how it goes forward

5:48

still seeing those two being offered in

5:51

that iPad Air model versus the iPad

5:53

pro is fascinating to me but yeah

5:55

I think the going with the M3

5:58

instead of the M4 It almost feels

6:00

like one thing they're trying to do

6:02

is differentiate the air from the pro

6:05

model, while still providing the ability to

6:07

have Apple intelligence, right? That's the big

6:09

thing. Let's get everything on Apple intelligence,

6:11

except for the new iPad, which is

6:14

interestingly left out, the kid pad, as

6:16

some people call it. The kid pad

6:18

doesn't have AI in it? Oh, it's

6:21

got the A16 processor, so it's like,

6:23

that was, that gave me pause because.

6:25

I thought, and I was, over the

6:28

past couple of weeks, I'm saying, hey,

6:30

it's interesting that with, when they went with

6:32

the least expensive iPhone, they still made sure

6:34

that it could do Apple Intelligence. Maybe this

6:36

means that Apple does not want to introduce

6:39

anything from this point on, that alienates a

6:41

group of people saying, no, there are Apple

6:43

users who have Apple Intelligence and Apple users

6:45

who do not have Apple Intelligence. So it

6:47

kind of surprises me that they are saying

6:50

that, yeah, you guys going to have to

6:52

have to like. correct your own mistakes from

6:54

now on. I mean it says something when

6:56

they do they do want to keep the

6:58

price low low so that does say

7:00

something about the cost of Apple

7:02

Intelligence both with putting extra ramen

7:05

and giving the CPU support but

7:07

okay so I guess I have

7:09

to change like my thinking that

7:11

maybe maybe Apple isn't everybody deserves

7:13

Apple intelligence no matter what their

7:15

stature. It does feel like they're

7:17

marketing this to younger people students.

7:20

It says it's lovable,

7:22

drawable, magical. $349 is

7:24

a great price. Remember the

7:26

iPad started a $4.99 when

7:28

it first came out, $349.

7:31

Fantastic. Although that's 20 bucks

7:33

above the price last time. Yes,

7:35

or am I wrong? That's $329.

7:38

It was $329 for educational.

7:40

I wonder what the

7:42

educational prices now. Available

7:45

March 12. And again, the

7:47

super fast A16, that

7:49

sounds like it's aimed

7:51

at younger, more gullible

7:53

people, more colorful for

7:56

sure. Yeah, I mean,

7:58

starts at 128. gigs

8:00

of storage so that means the base

8:02

$349 model is more than adequate for

8:04

in fact let's say that right now

8:06

when even though I'm deprecating the M3

8:08

it's frankly more than anybody needs ever

8:10

on an iPad it's yeah I mean

8:12

there are definitely a handful of places

8:14

where you may want to use something

8:16

more powerful but it would be this

8:19

is 94 95% of someone who would

8:21

buy an iPad this would do the

8:23

job it would probably do 95% of

8:25

what I use an iPad I use

8:27

some of the other stuff from the

8:29

pros but not the newer ones. I

8:31

mean I have older ones and this

8:33

one I you know I think that

8:35

is squarely aimed also at schools and

8:37

education and you know that you know

8:39

with the educational discounts and everything else

8:41

it's it has to live in that

8:44

in that space as far as cost

8:46

perspective. Still is a magic keyboard folio

8:48

available. I don't think it uses the

8:50

pencil pro uses the Is that right?

8:52

He uses the regular pencil. Correct, the

8:54

USBC version. And I wanted to note

8:56

too, it starts out this iPad, double

8:58

the storage of what it had before,

9:00

and to me that points it to

9:02

even more being a kid pad because

9:04

one thing I've seen is a kid

9:06

pad is a kid, is a kid

9:08

pat, is a kid gets very tired

9:11

of their huge game app that they

9:13

want, and they want another one, and

9:15

they want another one, and they want

9:17

another one, so now parent doesn't have

9:19

to delete it in a individual. Yeah.

9:21

You've just got lots of space to

9:23

download all your fun little apps that

9:25

you want to play and it's not

9:27

an issue anymore. I am interested in

9:29

like who, what teenagers, you know, get

9:31

these iPads or, you know, they're aiming

9:33

at that younger crowd. You know, my

9:36

experience right now is mostly on those

9:38

iPads that you see, schools use them.

9:40

You see parents with younger kids use

9:42

them because you give them to them

9:44

in the car or the or an

9:46

airport. I can't go to a restaurant

9:48

anymore anymore with kids. They're all watching

9:50

their iPadsads. or the disadvantaged ones watching

9:52

mom's iPhone. But that is the babysitter

9:54

of choice now. It's something you can

9:56

put in your, I mean, I know

9:58

that in when we flew, you know,

10:00

with our kids much more often than

10:03

we do now, the, when they were.

10:05

really little that was the thing you

10:07

did is you handed that iPad and

10:09

in the plane and they just went

10:11

off into never never land and enjoyed

10:13

the plane ride without having a without

10:15

having your kid your three-year-old I think

10:17

that's okay for a plane you know

10:19

occasional makes me it worries me a

10:21

little bit if it's a if it's

10:23

like every day we we didn't We

10:25

were very analog. I know that I

10:27

seem very techie, but you know, I

10:30

have a room full of tech and

10:32

then I walk out almost no tech

10:34

in the rest of my house. I

10:36

mean, yeah, and, and, and, and, uh,

10:38

some bongos or something, you know, yeah,

10:40

oh, yeah, definitely at a restaurant. Yeah,

10:42

when we go out, we go out

10:44

to talk to each other, I don't

10:46

know, you know, like that's, you know,

10:48

but I think it's, you know, pretty

10:50

great when it comes to going to

10:52

dinner. Like they're not. And you have

10:55

wonderful smart kids and that's probably, you

10:57

know, my wife's fault. And I should

10:59

say that even though Apple's really clearly

11:01

marketing this towards education and younger people.

11:03

that anybody who wants an iPad and

11:05

doesn't have you know hundreds of dollars

11:07

to spend. This is a great choice.

11:09

What I didn't get to is that

11:11

I think that the really the big

11:13

market that we see in the airport,

11:15

the big market I see in my

11:17

family, the big part is the over

11:19

50 over 60 crowd that you want

11:22

something to check email and throw it.

11:24

They don't love the iPad. It only

11:26

takes one really bad virus with the

11:28

PC that they bought at best buy

11:30

for them to just go. before except

11:32

you don't have to worry about all

11:34

those other things that yeah that happened

11:36

to you yeah that's true in fact

11:38

my daughter is using a Chromebook and

11:40

she's ready it's her birthday's coming up

11:42

she's ready for some to replace it

11:44

because the question mark key doesn't work

11:46

anymore there's two keys have done any

11:49

work anymore so she has to copy

11:51

it and paste it in the text

11:53

when she writes and this been going

11:55

on for more than a year and

11:57

I said please let me get you

11:59

something right and now I'm thinking maybe

12:01

an iPad with a magic keyboard would

12:03

be a good choice yes if she's

12:05

used to the Chromebook right it's going

12:07

to be a step up from that

12:09

it's a wonderful bargain I said I

12:11

remember the other day I saw someone

12:14

make a half joking but half serious

12:16

decision tree on like what kind of

12:18

operating system to choose And like the

12:20

first decision tree was, do you want

12:22

to be bothered? Do you not want

12:24

to be bothered? If you don't want

12:26

to be bothered? Okay, do you have,

12:28

do you have a trust fund? Do

12:30

you have a trust fund? Go get

12:32

an iPad. Go for a iPad OS.

12:34

If you do not have a trust

12:36

fund, go for iPad OS. If you

12:38

do not have a trust fund, get

12:41

a Chromebook. So, do you think, I

12:43

mean, do you think that that that

12:45

was the, there's something in the, there's

12:47

something in the air? No, no, no,

12:49

there's going to be a Mac Book

12:51

Air, a Mac Book Air, an M4,

12:53

an M4, an M4, an M4, M4,

12:55

or, or, or, or, or, or, or,

12:57

M4, or, or, or, or, M4, or,

12:59

or, or, M4, or, or, or, or,

13:01

M4, or, or, or, or, M4, or,

13:03

or, Yeah, I think it's air. It's

13:05

just an it's a week of air,

13:08

right? It's a week of air all

13:10

week. So the Macbook air now may

13:12

be tomorrow, right? I think so. I

13:14

think so. Yeah, on Apple Insider. Yeah,

13:16

yeah. Mark Herman also says, says that

13:18

expect the Macbook air tomorrow is part

13:20

of the new product wave. Do you

13:22

wonder? There might be a more air

13:24

in the air. I think so. Do

13:26

you wonder if Apple told some people

13:28

that the Macbook Air was coming first

13:30

and told others that the... Oh! Try

13:33

to figure out who's telling who what?

13:35

A maneuver worthy of a Romulan. Very

13:37

well thought. Is there a name for

13:39

that? Is that like a... Canary trap?

13:41

Canary trap. Yeah. Canary. I know that

13:43

there was a story that Steve Jobs

13:45

told three executives, what the code name

13:47

was instead of any... if this code

13:49

name gets out. all three were fired.

13:51

You know, he's like, I'm not trying

13:53

to figure it out. I'm just going

13:55

to fire all three of you. And

13:57

the coding name got out and he

14:00

fired all three of them. And that's

14:02

all that they, those are very quick

14:04

at Apple that I heard that's what

14:06

tightened things up in the 90s. Late

14:08

90s was Steve showing that there's no.

14:10

about leaks you know that's better than

14:12

sending out a fork in the road

14:14

email i think just you know really

14:16

anyway so tomorrow the mac book air

14:18

for i is it do we know

14:20

why mr. snow is not here did

14:22

he say I don't know if he

14:24

said but I don't believe right I

14:27

don't believe it's related to an apple

14:29

he is actually on vacation okay what

14:31

yes vacation John Ashley don't get any

14:33

ideas Yeah, he's vacation. He's in a

14:35

vacation at Resort Cupertino. It's quite nice.

14:37

It's like a, you know what he

14:39

won't see there? He won't see the

14:41

rainbow. The arches have been pulled down.

14:43

Rainbow stage. To be pulled to be

14:45

rebuilt. But it was never any permanent,

14:47

right? It was yeah. It made its

14:49

first appearance in 2019. Johnny I've said

14:52

that at the time that it wasn't.

14:54

I believe it was meant to stay,

14:56

but that version wasn't meant to be

14:58

permanent. And so this started getting traction

15:00

on like Reddit and other like. subrosa

15:02

sort of forms where someone managed to

15:04

find an image on Google Earth that

15:06

said here that basically had image of

15:08

like the the rainbow the rainbow stage

15:10

completely torn down and stuff and a

15:12

lot of people and some people are

15:14

thinking oh my god they're giving it

15:16

to DEA they're turning down the rainbow

15:19

oh dear not other people saying no

15:21

was never meant to be permanent they're

15:23

actually replacing it with a permanent structure

15:25

so you can still take a look

15:27

at the images but Apparently, because people

15:29

who are inside Apple have said that

15:31

they know that it's being rebuilt into

15:33

a permit structure. I.B.6 Media in his

15:35

YouTube short talks about, it's really actually

15:37

quite good, he talks about the genesis

15:39

of it. It was created kind of

15:41

as a stage prop. Probably made up

15:43

Balsawood, right? It wasn't. Yeah, it was,

15:46

I think it was built, Lady Gagga

15:48

played there. And I think that's right.

15:50

I think that was, it was, it

15:52

was, uh... I think it was built

15:54

for that stage or with that stage.

15:56

Like all the buildings that were built

15:58

for the San Francisco. world's fair where

16:00

it's all made out of like plaster

16:02

and plaster and straw and if you

16:04

really and if you want to keep

16:06

it you're going to have to tear

16:08

them down and replace it with actually

16:11

building stuff. Apple's version of Balsa would

16:13

last six years. Yeah you know like

16:15

it? Yeah well because to be fair

16:17

it's not something there's no actual stage

16:19

there they're just like arches that are

16:21

on gras and I don't think anybody

16:23

wants to be the one who like

16:25

got caught trying to take a selfie

16:27

at the top of the arch and

16:29

cause the whole thing to come

16:31

crashing down. That's a career limiting

16:34

selfie. Yeah, yeah. Ivy Six says

16:36

it was built by Stageco, which

16:38

is a Belgian theatrical stage designer.

16:41

Oh yeah, hired them. You've hired

16:43

them for your birthday party?

16:45

Exactly. If you can imagine

16:47

it, we can build it.

16:49

Concert stages. Also would, turtle

16:52

to stage. And note they

16:54

say temporary structures, outdoor structures,

16:56

if it's outdoors, which it

16:58

is, and it's subject to,

17:01

you know, the weather, it's

17:03

not some type of thing.

17:05

They were like, oh, it's like

17:07

every six years. Yeah. Yeah. gray

17:10

concrete. Make a real brutalist rain

17:12

bubble. No color whatsoever. But replace

17:14

all the grass around it with

17:17

bricks. Do exactly what Boston did

17:19

to City Hall Plaza in 1997.

17:22

Just make it a desolate. Soviet

17:24

like making it into the place

17:26

you go when you want to

17:29

beg the commissar for any information

17:31

about what happened your dissident and

17:33

uncle so Johnny I feel like

17:36

we have at least a candidate for

17:38

the for the name of the show the

17:40

brutalist yeah it's gray skittles eat the brutalist

17:42

rainbow so Tim cooks something in the air

17:45

this week he did say this Tuesday So,

17:47

you know, hi it ran though. They didn't

17:49

even make a video for it. I mean,

17:51

it's, you know, they used to do events

17:53

for these things, then they used to put

17:56

out videos on YouTube. There's no iPad video?

17:58

I couldn't find one on there. YouTube channel

18:00

so you know we're like oh yeah

18:02

the newsroom article doesn't have a link

18:04

to it yeah yeah it's yeah tomorrow

18:07

They're busy making the Mac book here.

18:09

I still, that's their, I sell, actually,

18:11

computer, right? Not, not, not only that,

18:13

but the, all of the iPads got

18:15

one, like, press release. It wasn't they

18:17

did a separate one for the iPad

18:19

11, another one for the iPad Air.

18:22

So this was definitely, yeah, we decided

18:24

that we're just going to put some

18:26

components in here. And I think that

18:28

it's important for them to release it.

18:30

This is the time when budgets get

18:32

sorted out for the fall education season.

18:34

So I think that it has, that

18:37

iPads or these types of iPads have

18:39

been released in March or April for

18:41

many years. So when they, when they're

18:43

released, this is the time to do

18:45

it is to, is to, so that

18:47

people can make their choices. Yeah. Apple

18:49

introduced, yeah, one press release, five hours

18:52

ago. An interesting time they released a

18:54

press release announcing a Friday night baseball

18:56

is coming back to Apple TV. So

18:58

you can see how important it is.

19:00

It's right up there with the Friday

19:02

night baseball. Okay. Well, but I think

19:04

this is, honestly, I think this is

19:07

a great product. I'm a, I think,

19:09

you know, it's funny, a couple of

19:11

weeks ago. I think it was Jason

19:13

picked tapestry, or was it you Andy,

19:15

who picked tapestry from icon factory is

19:17

their pick of the pick of the

19:19

week. It's an iOS app that's a

19:22

newsreader because it does social. I tried

19:24

it out, I was, you know, okay,

19:26

I tried it out of my Mac,

19:28

my Air Pro, my 4M4M, Air Pro,

19:30

and it's so good that's now what

19:32

I use most of the time. I've

19:34

stopped using the laptop as much. Oh,

19:37

yes. Because it's a great news gathering.

19:39

That plus, I know you recommended, raindrop.

19:41

Those two together really make my news

19:43

gathering much easier. I wish there were

19:45

a better mail app. We should talk

19:47

a little bit about this. There's been

19:49

a lot of complaints about the updated

19:52

app. Apple Mail app was now with

19:54

Apple intelligence. How do you all feel

19:56

about that? It's really hard for me

19:58

to get out of it. I mean,

20:00

it's just like I don't, I know

20:02

how to use it. I'm not, I

20:04

try other ones. It sorts your mail

20:07

to them, right? Well, I turned almost

20:09

everything off in it. My biggest problem

20:11

is, is it's got all kinds of

20:13

bugs that it's had for years on,

20:15

you know, and you. have an exchange

20:17

if your company is in exchange and

20:19

another exchange person sends an email and

20:22

you sort it automatically into their folder

20:24

it doesn't go there which is oh

20:26

that's not good and there's no that's

20:28

always been the case right in that

20:30

case for at least five years the

20:32

the and what's interesting is is that

20:34

it's one of the few apps I

20:37

guess because a lot of people have

20:39

it that Apple has it doesn't have

20:41

any feedback so it's not like a

20:43

bunch people can tell them that something's

20:45

wrong there's nowhere to say, hey, my

20:47

messages isn't working. You can't shake, shake

20:49

your, yeah, she's exactly, it's wrong, shake

20:52

your mail. Yeah, I don't use Apple

20:54

Mail. I use Mail Maid on the

20:56

Mac and Fast Mail's apps on iOS

20:58

and iPadOS. So I don't, I haven't

21:00

been experienced to it, but I've been

21:02

seeing so many complaints about it on

21:04

Reddit. I was thought I'd ask if

21:07

people are using it. Yeah, I think

21:09

part of it is change. And especially

21:11

with something that you think about. When

21:13

you're using a mail app, it really

21:15

is, I don't know that many people

21:17

are going into their mail app with

21:19

any level of excitement and interest. Yeah,

21:22

nobody loves mail. It is a thing

21:24

that needs to be just sitting in

21:26

the background. You don't want to spend

21:28

cognitive loads going through your mail. And

21:30

so when you have a change to

21:32

something as kind of in the background

21:34

for you, as atmospheric as a mail

21:37

app, any level of change in interaction

21:39

is going to make you frustrated because

21:41

you can't just interact with it how

21:43

you would expect. I recommend doing what

21:45

Alex has talked about there, which is

21:47

just if you don't like those features,

21:49

just turn them off. You can decide.

21:52

to turn them back on if you

21:54

want to, but I agree that it's

21:56

difficult to introduce new features to an

21:58

application that is supposed to be, I

22:00

get in, I do what I need

22:02

to do, and I get out, I

22:04

come, I eat, I leave, I eat,

22:07

I leave. And I think that that's

22:09

the issue is that I think that

22:11

one of the things that Steve Jobs

22:13

talked about a lot. was that how

22:15

important it is to say no. And

22:17

I feel like Apple has lost the

22:19

ability to say no to lots of

22:22

things. And they just keep adding features

22:24

to whether it's photos or mail or

22:26

other things. They keep adding features because

22:28

I don't know, other people have those

22:30

features. But I find myself constantly, I

22:32

don't know, other people have those features.

22:34

But I find myself constantly saying, if

22:37

I wanted an Android, I don't want

22:39

it to do everything that Android does.

22:41

I want to be simple and easy.

22:43

recently and become a little bit more

22:45

sour about it because I just keep

22:47

on feeling like Apple keeps on adding

22:49

stuff that I didn't ask for or

22:52

want or even what Apple used to

22:54

do is surprise and delight they put

22:56

something in like oh I never thought

22:58

of that and now I love it

23:00

I don't have that feeling very much

23:02

I mostly think oh I never thought

23:04

of that and I wish that they

23:07

hadn't either you know and I feel

23:09

like that's happening you know often like

23:11

often for me now with Apple apps.

23:13

I don't need you to add, I

23:15

didn't need this to become more complicated.

23:17

I just need to check my email.

23:19

Like I don't, you know, and I

23:22

don't know in today's business world, I

23:24

don't know how, I don't know how

23:26

business email is. I mean, I'm hard

23:28

to reach by email. So I feel

23:30

like I, you know, I live inside

23:32

of a bunch of other text apps

23:34

and I spend a lot of time

23:37

and databases and stuff like that. I

23:39

don't. Need I don't really need my

23:41

email to get any more complicated or

23:43

any cooler or any better. I just

23:45

need to know what people sent me

23:47

Yeah Okay, I'm just I just I

23:49

was just curious I'm Very old school

23:52

with male mate, but it does the

23:54

things the main thing it does is

23:56

it has an unread rule that makes

23:58

it very easy for me to see

24:00

the stuff that I want to see.

24:02

That's all. That's all. Mail, you're

24:04

right, mail. Mail should just be,

24:06

probably should just be utilitarian. Don't

24:08

make it too smart. Make it

24:11

brutalist, please. Get brutalist email. That's

24:13

again. Especially for the pack in

24:15

version of a mail app. It's

24:17

basically the people who are not

24:19

looking to replace whatever mail outcomes

24:21

built in with a device. aren't

24:23

looking for advanced features. They're basically

24:25

looking for something no more sophisticated

24:27

than the Gmail web client. So

24:29

if you can deliver that feature

24:31

to everybody by saying, here is a

24:33

basic mail app, it will not cause your

24:35

iPad to overheat. We're not going to do

24:38

an update that changes everything and makes it

24:40

really more difficult for you to deal with

24:42

what already is one of your biggest problems

24:44

of the day. If you want something more

24:46

complicated, I can direct you to all these

24:48

other apps on the App Store, but we're

24:50

going to keep things simple. So that's the

24:53

good news is that it has spawned a

24:55

large ecosystem of alternative mail apps. So it's

24:57

good when in a way it's good when

24:59

Apple doesn't do a great job because I

25:01

guess that not great job as a user

25:03

is and I just wish that they would

25:05

just not do very much. Like I don't

25:08

need it. Yeah Microsoft did that for years.

25:10

They'd make kind of half-assed built-in, built-in

25:12

apps. with that and so that

25:14

would kind of support the ecosystem

25:16

for better right better video editors better

25:18

mail apps better everything I mean you

25:20

got to have something there and again

25:22

I think that a couple years ago

25:24

mail was other than this exchange server

25:27

issue mail was as good as it

25:29

needed to be it does the thing

25:31

that I needed to do I don't

25:33

need you to that team what I

25:35

needed to do is be stable and

25:37

not throw away my emails by accident

25:39

which is what it was doing that's

25:41

the worst to no harm Yeah, exactly.

25:43

Yeah, exactly. And there's, and again, there's

25:45

nowhere to tell them that it isn't

25:47

working other than the show. So here

25:49

it is. Like, like, there's no way

25:51

for me to tell them. Ladies and

25:53

gentlemen, as you're watching this show, shake

25:55

it really hard. And send a report.

25:57

Now, there are people who like it.

26:00

Most of the people in our

26:02

various chats agree. Leftward though, who's

26:04

watching on Twitch, hello leftward, says

26:06

I really like the categorization, it

26:08

cleaned up my inbox. So there

26:10

are people who like, I remember

26:12

when Gmail did that, right? They

26:14

had the categorization and it made

26:16

it easy. Yeah, everybody hated it

26:18

too. In fact, it's gone now,

26:20

isn't it? I think they got

26:22

rid of it. All right, let's

26:24

take a little break, and we'll

26:26

come back, we will do the

26:28

Vision Pro segment, there's segment, there's

26:30

a lot to say this week.

26:32

about Vision Pro. We will also

26:34

do, I think we should just

26:36

do every Tuesday, what Mark German

26:38

said on Sunday. Because as usual,

26:40

he's dumped a lot of information.

26:43

He's responsible for a lot of

26:45

Mac News sites having a lot

26:47

of things to write about on

26:49

Monday. Yes, you know, they all

26:51

just rephrase his newsletter. They should

26:53

send him one of those flower

26:55

baskets that's made out of fruit

26:57

every single birthday. Yeah, yeah. I

26:59

actually, they made it. Paid only

27:01

at some point the power on

27:03

newsletter and my choice is to

27:05

pay for it And by the

27:07

way congratulations I found out to

27:09

him. I found out that he's

27:11

been promoted to like editor-in-chief of

27:13

consumer stuff Wow, oh nice good

27:15

for him. He's he deserves it.

27:17

He's amazing He delivers immense value

27:19

to Bloomberg and to the community.

27:21

Yeah, good for him. Yeah, and

27:23

quite a discovery. He was in

27:26

high school when nine to five

27:28

Mac Seth discovered him and Seth

27:30

discovered him and He's gone on

27:32

to bigger and better things ever

27:34

since. He still looks like he's

27:36

in high school, however. That hasn't

27:38

changed. All right, you're watching Mac

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this the current one? I always

31:00

have to check. Yeah, March 2nd.

31:03

Apple's artificial intelligence efforts reach a

31:05

make or break point. This is

31:07

the one where he says, it

31:09

might not be till 2027 before

31:11

AI truly comes to Syria. We

31:13

know 84 has a Siri update

31:15

in it, but he says Apple's

31:17

really struggling. with Apple intelligence. He

31:19

says all this undercuts the idea

31:21

Apple intelligence will spur consumers to

31:23

upgrade their devices. There's little reason.

31:25

This has got to be bad

31:27

news for Apple. There's little reason

31:29

for anyone to buy a new

31:31

iPhone or other product just to

31:33

get Apple intelligence. No matter how

31:35

hard Apple pushes it in its

31:37

marketing. I just don't think that

31:39

that's why they're buying those things.

31:41

I agree with you. I just

31:43

think that there's this whole thing

31:46

of like, oh my gosh, the

31:48

world's going to fall because Apple

31:50

intelligence isn't working. And I'm like,

31:52

I'm an Apple user. I'm probably

31:54

not going anywhere. There's a massive

31:56

ecosystem in the middle. And you

31:58

use AI all the time, but

32:00

you just use third party clients.

32:02

Yeah, I mean, I have, I'm

32:04

using, I have like five or

32:06

six AI tools that are specifically

32:08

good for the thing that I

32:10

use them for, whether it's, you

32:12

know, runway or mid journey or

32:14

chat GPT or Claude or, you

32:16

know, and all of these, and

32:18

my family uses, I'm mostly chat

32:20

GPT, but like when I'm driving,

32:22

I just turn on the chat

32:24

GPT voice thing and I'm sitting

32:26

there asking it questions. I don't

32:29

feel the need for Siri. Like I

32:31

don't, like I, and I'm a very low

32:33

expectation of Siri. I'd be happy if Siri

32:35

just didn't give me the live version of

32:37

the song that I asked for. I know.

32:40

Like literally if they fix that one thing.

32:42

Wouldn't you like it though if Siri were

32:44

smarter? Wouldn't that be nice? Sure, sure, but

32:46

I guess I don't, like again, it would

32:49

be nice, but it's not a must have,

32:51

I don't feel, and again, I talked about

32:53

this. Like you know, like, you know, and

32:55

so I think we live in a bubble

32:57

where we talk about this and think about

33:00

it all the time. I think the

33:02

average Apple user doesn't care. And even

33:04

if they do, you're right. Apple has

33:06

a value proposition independent of its AI.

33:08

Yep. And if you do care about

33:10

AI, I've attached the action button to

33:12

perplexity, my choice these days. So I

33:14

can do what I would do with

33:16

Siri, but I just do it with

33:18

perplexity. We bought new phones before Apple

33:21

intelligence came out. You can change

33:23

the only much reference in settings

33:25

if you like. Let's stick to

33:27

English for now. I was speaking.

33:30

Not helping? Not helping? Is there

33:32

a language called Luxembourgish? I didn't

33:34

realize there was. Is there? Luxembourgish

33:37

is a language spoken

33:39

in Luxembourg. You idiot. That

33:41

doesn't sound like she's out

33:43

the word. Alongside French and

33:45

German. Would you like to know

33:47

more about Luxembourgish? Absolutely not. But

33:50

I would like to know, did

33:52

Mark German get a promotion? Let's

33:54

see how current she is. I didn't find

33:56

any recent information about Mark

33:58

German receiving a... promotion. If you

34:00

have any other questions or need... So

34:03

that's a... I just don't like perplexity

34:05

and that's fine and that's on the

34:07

action button. That's almost as good as

34:09

Syria. I would prefer that all my

34:11

Syria devices were not so stupid. Yeah,

34:13

especially because they all have access to

34:15

all of my Apple information. That's the

34:17

big thing for me That's that is

34:20

why I am excited about it, even

34:22

if it means it's going to be

34:24

a while It's the idea that I

34:26

have felt comfortable Giving Apple access to

34:28

the information that I have and so

34:30

if the company is able to know

34:32

my calendar as it does and know

34:34

even my messages to know these different

34:37

things locally or in double encrypted or

34:39

triple or whatever. I want that functionality

34:41

to work across these devices, which we

34:43

don't have. Interestingly, Mark German's point, he

34:45

raises the Amazon Echo event of last

34:47

week. He says, I attended the debut

34:49

in New York City. It felt like

34:51

seeing the first chat GPT demonstrations three

34:54

years ago. In other words, his feeling

34:56

were, feelings where this is going to

34:58

change everything. But he does point out

35:00

this is where Apple has an edge

35:02

Amazon lacks an ecosystem of information That

35:04

could that Apple has that could make

35:06

it so much and better and I

35:08

think we already see that they Even

35:10

when they're careful, they're still it makes

35:13

mistakes and and chat GT makes mistakes

35:15

all the time Yeah, and I go

35:17

oh, that's a chapter, you know, like

35:19

whatever like I just you know, I've

35:21

learned to know what to pay attention

35:23

to and not with all of these

35:25

apps They're all they all hallucinate a

35:27

little bit. They're all little they're like

35:30

a little like your crazy uncle that

35:32

is you know Very smart some of

35:34

the time and then just says crazy

35:36

things for no reason and Is that

35:38

what's holding Apple back? I think it

35:40

is I think I think that this

35:42

this carefulness of not wanting it to

35:44

impact the Reliability that Apple kind of

35:47

builds its brand around makes it very

35:49

very hard to you know and it's

35:51

the same thing like when I do

35:53

you know I do live streaming there

35:55

are types of live I know it's

35:57

crazy there are types of live streaming

35:59

that I won't do because you know

36:01

I get that you can go up

36:04

with your laptop and your webcam and

36:06

go out and shoot something but I

36:08

there the chances of that failing are

36:10

so high. That's something that somebody can

36:12

do for as a business, but it's

36:14

not me. Well, just take it for

36:16

me. It also could piss Steve Jobs

36:18

off and keep you forever again being

36:21

invited to Apple. Well, but the point

36:23

is that I look at it and

36:25

I go and I volunteer for things

36:27

where I do those crazy things because

36:29

I can't do it as a company.

36:31

You know, but I, you know, there's

36:33

a certain level that you have to

36:35

work at if people are hiring you

36:38

and depending on you to. to do

36:40

stuff. And I think Apple has the

36:42

same problem where they, you know, we

36:44

depend on it like the BBC through

36:46

a fit when Apple, you know, when

36:48

it said the wrong thing on, on

36:50

whatever's there. They're not throwing a fit

36:52

every time that chat BT makes a

36:55

mistake because it makes mistakes mistakes all

36:57

the time. You know, and so the

36:59

thing is, is that I think that,

37:01

I don't, I don't think you're saying,

37:03

I think everybody expects more of Apple

37:05

and Apple expects more itself. But that,

37:07

that, that, that, that's, that's that inner,

37:09

that inner, that inner, that inner voice

37:12

that inner voice that inner voice that

37:14

inner voice that inner voice that in

37:16

this area. And I don't think that

37:18

it's not that they won't do it.

37:20

I think that it's a much harder

37:22

thing for them than almost anybody else.

37:24

Well, I do think there's some whistling

37:26

through the graveyard here. I agree 100%

37:29

that this is not an immediate thing

37:31

where if they don't get something out

37:33

fast, no matter what it is, and

37:35

demonstrate to customers and analysts that, oh

37:37

yes, we do know what we're doing

37:39

about AI and we do have a

37:41

plan for AI, that Apple is going

37:43

to be doomed for the fourth or

37:46

fifth time. That's not a thing. They've

37:48

got time to get this right, but

37:50

they don't have time to not show

37:52

that they found their car keys and

37:54

not just standing in the hallway patting

37:56

their pockets when it comes to AI.

37:58

One of the other another interesting piece

38:00

of news a few days ago is

38:02

that Google updated their Google apps so

38:05

that now you can have Gemini. AI

38:07

lock screen widgets. So you know you

38:09

can talk to Gemini Live directly from

38:11

the lock screen of your iPhone. Now

38:13

you can use Google Lens directly to

38:15

the iPhone, all this other sort of

38:17

stuff. And this is, you don't want

38:19

people to, you don't want your customers

38:22

to go away and forget that these

38:24

are features that Apple can actually do

38:26

or are even interested in. Imagine. Maybe

38:28

Apple should just abandon this and say,

38:30

everybody else has got this, we're just

38:32

going to make the platform. They can

38:34

do that. I mean, they can do

38:36

what they did with Google Search, which

38:39

is that this is not something that

38:41

we're terribly interested in. This is not

38:43

something we're in a pivot on. We're

38:45

OK if people use, even on our

38:47

own device, people, we have to farm

38:49

out this search function under the radar

38:51

to an outsider. But there are things

38:53

about having these things integrated directly into

38:56

the hardware. BBC wasn't necessarily. angry with

38:58

Apple because it was Apple. When ChatGPT

39:00

makes that problem, when Gemini makes that

39:02

problem within an app, this is happening

39:04

with, you're asking an AI specifically a

39:06

question, the AI whom you know is

39:08

unreliable is giving you an answer. They

39:10

were upset because Apple... did this, these

39:13

notification summaries feature in a very, very

39:15

silly way, which is to create a

39:17

notification that looks like every other notification

39:19

from the BBC app with no indication

39:21

that the notification that the notification new

39:23

summary did not come from the BBC

39:25

directly. That was the big problem. So

39:27

all I'm saying here is that we

39:30

can't simply say that, well, we don't,

39:32

hey, I never use, I don't think,

39:34

artificial intelligence is important, I don't think

39:36

people actually use it. people are going

39:38

just like there are times when people

39:40

did not use search engines there are

39:42

times when people didn't use the internet

39:44

or didn't use browsers at some point

39:47

these people are going to start to

39:49

drift in from outside and you don't

39:51

want them to take one look at

39:53

what Apple has and see that okay

39:55

they have nothing or they have nothing

39:57

that actually works and suddenly this phone

39:59

which already can do so many things

40:01

no matter what who made the phone.

40:04

AIs, another thing where it doesn't matter

40:06

if I get an iPhone or if

40:08

I get an Android phone, doesn't matter

40:10

because it is just the host organism

40:12

for my chosen subscribed AI service, whether

40:14

it's Google, whether it's a cloud, whether

40:16

it's whatever. Alex's point is people don't

40:18

choose the iPhone. Plenty of other reasons

40:21

to choose the iPhone, the cameras, the

40:23

camera, hardware, yeah. Like every time I

40:25

show as long as Apple can present

40:27

an AI experience that is as good

40:29

as it is on another phone. All I'm saying

40:31

is I don't think that there's I don't think that

40:33

they're gonna make I agree with Andy that eventually someone

40:36

needs to that Apple's gonna need to have a great

40:38

AI solution and I think they they have the opportunity

40:40

to have the best AI solution because as Michael said

40:42

they have all of our information and we trust them

40:44

to look through that information in a way that we

40:47

don't trust almost anybody else to do because security is

40:49

so in privacy is such a big deal for Apple

40:51

on your phone at least right. And so I think

40:53

that Apple has the opportunity to really own this market

40:55

in a way that it'd be very hard for others

40:58

to own it. I don't think it's a big rush

41:00

though. So when I see these kind of apoplectic make or break,

41:02

it has to happen this year, I think 2027 is fine. Like,

41:04

you know, like I'm not going to miss it between now and

41:06

then. I've got again, and the problem is that I'm not using

41:09

one AI tool. I'm using six or seven of them or five

41:11

or five or six of them or six of them that are

41:13

doing different things that are doing different things that are doing different

41:15

things that all doing different things that all do that all do

41:17

that all do what they do what they do what they do

41:19

what they do what they do what they do. better. You

41:21

know, and you know, and so that in those,

41:24

I don't know how Apple would compete. I think

41:26

if Apple had a great Apple intelligence right

41:28

now, I would probably use it 10% of the

41:30

time because the other ones that I'm used to

41:32

using that are specialized in the area that I'm

41:35

using them for are way better than Apple's

41:37

going to be anytime soon or anybody else is

41:39

going to be, you know, doing what they do.

41:41

You know, and so I think that's the issue

41:43

is is is that a lot, those of us

41:46

who are really into AI, who are really

41:48

into AI, aren't looking for one tool. to use

41:50

for AI. And so Apple would have a

41:52

hard time even fitting into that ecosystem

41:54

in a way that mattered to me.

41:56

But I do think somewhere down the

41:58

road of me going. Like like

42:00

again like me being able to tell

42:03

Syria hey, I know I can use

42:05

this in example But it's a good

42:07

example because it comes up all the

42:10

time for me. Hey when I ask

42:12

for a when I ask for a

42:14

song I never want to hear the

42:16

live version unless I ask for the

42:19

live version I just want to say

42:21

that once and then through all my

42:23

devices I never hear a live version

42:26

when I asked for it for the

42:28

Eagles, you know, or whatever it is

42:30

that I don't want the live version

42:32

ever you know, and so the thing

42:35

is is is is that is that

42:37

is that the That's the kind of

42:39

stuff of being able to tell it.

42:42

This is how I want my world

42:44

to exist when I talk to you.

42:46

And if I can start telling it

42:48

those kinds of things and have it

42:51

go, who did I talk to back

42:53

then or what did I ask or

42:55

can you tell me what that and

42:58

being able to interrogate everything on my

43:00

computer and in my mail and in

43:02

my messages for things that I'm looking

43:04

for, incredibly powerful and only Apple can

43:07

do that. But I don't think that

43:09

they have to do it this year.

43:11

Two very quick closing comments. I don't

43:14

think Apple's the only one that can

43:16

do that. Google can also do that

43:18

very, very well. I just wouldn't let

43:20

Google do it. Exactly. But I think

43:23

most people kind of are, they recognize

43:25

it as a trustworthy brand, even though

43:27

it's not as trustworthy as Apple. The

43:30

second comment that I need to make

43:32

is that Apple's. Like on the stone

43:34

tablets carved somewhere of Apple's business plan,

43:37

one of them is you got to

43:39

keep them within the ecosystem. Keep them

43:41

under the Apple logo as many minutes

43:43

out of the day as you possibly

43:46

can. And the reason why this is

43:48

going to be really, really important is

43:50

that if you encourage them to leave

43:53

the Apple ecosystem for your AI stuff,

43:55

that limits their dependency either physically or

43:57

practically. on maintaining, staying within that tent

43:59

at all times. Just like there's so

44:02

many services where it just doesn't matter

44:04

whether you've got, if you use social

44:06

media, honestly, as long as you have

44:09

a premium smartphone, the cameras are all

44:11

within 5% of each other. they all

44:13

run the exact same apps and the

44:15

exact same services. It becomes a matter

44:18

of preferences of which one can run

44:20

tick-talk better. So I don't think Apple,

44:22

I think just Apple has to make

44:25

sure that AI is not something where

44:27

I want to leave, instead of clicking

44:29

on that little dinghous that comes up

44:31

next to a text field, my habit

44:34

right now, I'm not everybody, I'm just

44:36

speaking from speaking for myself, unless it's

44:38

the simplest thing like taking something that's

44:41

in all caps and turning it into

44:43

not all caps. My instinct now is

44:45

just simply tab over into my Gemini

44:47

tab and then just ask Gemini to

44:50

do it because that's where my muscle

44:52

memory is right now. And because it

44:54

tends to actually work, I just don't

44:57

want to app, I just don't want

44:59

the perception that Apple can do nothing.

45:01

It's okay for Apple to do things

45:03

in AI that are not terribly consequential.

45:06

I'm actually pleased by the German report

45:08

that we're going to see something. big

45:10

in a couple of years as opposed

45:13

to incremental changes, just like kicking the

45:15

can down the road, adding little features

45:17

to Siri, a system that is not

45:20

designed to handle the sort of things

45:22

that AI is going to be asked

45:24

for. I'm okay with them in two

45:26

years, they show up, they show up,

45:29

a series, they show up, a series,

45:31

they show up, a series, they show

45:33

up, a series, they show up, a

45:36

series, they show up, they show up,

45:38

a series, they show up, they show

45:40

up, and two, of this machine that

45:42

is trying to figure this out. I'm

45:45

just saying, I don't think it needs

45:47

to happen in the next year. I

45:49

think when someone said as early as

45:52

2027, I was like, they have that

45:54

kind of time. And I think social,

45:56

when you talk about social media, that's

45:58

a perfect example. Apple failed at that

46:01

completely. We all remember ping, right? Or

46:03

some of us try to forget, but

46:05

I think I'm sure Apple tried to

46:08

forget. But they failed horribly on this

46:10

platform, but all these social platforms have

46:12

come out and Apple has not tried

46:14

again. But they are still a hefty

46:17

piece of those social networks because they're

46:19

creating their movies on it. They're obviously

46:21

were browsing on it. We're doing all

46:24

these other things on it. So they

46:26

didn't have to actually dip into that

46:28

to, you know, that didn't undermine their

46:30

ability to do what they do. I

46:33

do think that, again, I think that

46:35

they are the most consequential player potentially

46:37

for AI because they have so much

46:40

of our information and we're willing to

46:42

give it to them. And I think

46:44

that that is, that's a, you know,

46:46

so they could do more with it

46:49

than anyone else, but I do think

46:51

it's going to take a lot longer

46:53

and I think they have that a

46:56

lot longer to spend on it. It's

46:58

a series has two brains that the

47:00

current iOS 18 version has one that

47:03

operates with the legacy Syria commands timers

47:05

making calls the other doing the you

47:07

know AI thing he says the latter

47:09

capability will be able to tap user

47:12

data already is used to not get

47:14

confused when people change their request mid

47:16

command but he says because they had

47:19

to rush and I think this is

47:21

key to get it out as part

47:23

of iOS 18 they didn't have time

47:25

to meld the two systems. together. It's

47:28

almost left brain, right brain. And that

47:30

means the software didn't work as smoothly

47:32

as it could. They want to do

47:35

that next year for iOS 19. Expect

47:37

a introduction in WWDC in June with

47:39

a launch by spring 2026 as 19.4.

47:41

Now I'm not sure how well source

47:44

this is. You know, you have to

47:46

parse German stuff as Jason Snell has

47:48

taught us. Some of its opinion. some

47:51

of it's from sources. So it's not

47:53

clear if this is just what he's

47:55

thinking, although he does say people within

47:57

Apple's AI division now believe that a

48:00

true modernized conversational version of Siri won't

48:02

reach customers until iOS 20 at best

48:04

in 2027. And I think that's the

48:07

kind of most important revelation. And that

48:09

one does seem sourced. There's precedent there.

48:11

That is the issue and the hurdle

48:13

that Amazon initially faced in introducing. its

48:16

upcoming version. It's why it's reported that

48:18

that's where a lot of the delays

48:20

have taken place because Amazon had this

48:23

long-going long-lasting method of responding to requests

48:25

trying to merge that with a new

48:27

way of doing things. And by the

48:29

way, it's not even clear that they

48:32

were able to do that. Exactly. We

48:34

don't know that yet. Exactly. We'll see.

48:36

Right. They were having a lot of

48:39

trouble with it. Yep, and so I

48:41

wouldn't be surprised to hear that this

48:43

is the same issue of what do

48:46

I kick it over to the other

48:48

version of doing things? Is this something

48:50

that I can answer without needing to

48:52

bring in the generative AI sort of

48:55

LLLM? you know magic or what what

48:57

do we do and that leads to

48:59

issues down the road where one might

49:02

actually give you the weather that you're

49:04

asking and then the new system might

49:06

make up weather because of how it's

49:08

yeah it can get kind of messy

49:11

there people involved again with german people

49:13

involved in a i apples a i

49:15

work say this is more cause for

49:18

concern it's foundational and large language models

49:20

the basis for its home grown a

49:22

i features are reaching their limits There

49:24

have also been problems with rivals poaching

49:27

talent and what they deem to be

49:29

ineffective leadership. This sounds like this is

49:31

also sourced from people inside of Apple.

49:34

They're also having trouble getting enough chips.

49:36

There's a huge competition for these invidia

49:38

chips. You remember Elon Musk bought 100

49:40

and it's hard to get these. He

49:43

says that's probably one reason the company

49:45

is ramping up production of its own

49:47

AI servers. Actually, I wanted to address

49:50

this because one of the things I've

49:52

heard, and maybe even believe to be

49:54

true, is that, and maybe Alex, you

49:56

can comment on this, and Vidia has

49:59

its own language to control its GPUs,

50:01

it's proprietary. Envidia has kind of a

50:03

lock on the AI industry right now.

50:06

In fact, that was one of the

50:08

things the Chinese folks at Deep Seek

50:10

did is write a low level machine

50:12

language kuda replacement so that they could

50:15

use the less capable Envidia chips that

50:17

they were able to get in China.

50:19

I don't know if that's true by

50:22

the way. That's just their story. Yeah,

50:24

I mean, it's definitely very powerful. And

50:26

I've also heard from a lot of

50:29

people that the Apple Silicon would be

50:31

superb. For AI, it has the NPUs.

50:33

It has direct access to huge amounts

50:35

of memory, more in many cases, than

50:38

even much more expensive and video GPUs.

50:40

But lacking cuda is a disadvantage. Maybe

50:42

Apple should be working on a cuda

50:45

replacement, just as it worked on metal,

50:47

to replace direct X. What do you

50:49

say? As you look at their servers,

50:51

it wouldn't be a... It wouldn't be

50:54

surprising for Apple to build what they

50:56

needed both. The advantage that they have

50:58

now is that they're manufacturing their own

51:01

hardware and their own OSAs and their

51:03

own libraries and their own, there's not

51:05

any reason why Apple couldn't, you know,

51:07

look at what makes Kuda special, so

51:10

to speak, and look at how they

51:12

might, you know, owning all the hardware

51:14

and the software in the same way

51:17

that an invidia does. How do they

51:19

build something that would allow them to

51:21

compete with, actually. I said direct is

51:23

open CL. Right. And metal. Could they

51:26

do something for it? You think how

51:28

doable is that? I don't know the

51:30

details. Well, I think that I think

51:33

anything is doable with money and Apple

51:35

has a lot of it. You know,

51:37

and so so I think that there's,

51:39

you know, they have they have some

51:42

time and they have a lot of

51:44

money and they're pretty smart and what

51:46

they do. It's also would make these.

51:49

Things like this Mac mini and this

51:51

Mac studio and the Mac pro, incredible

51:53

home AI machines. People are already doing

51:55

that now. to stack these little Mac

51:58

M4s, these little M4 Mac minis up

52:00

and doing for their local AI solutions.

52:02

But they're hurt a little bit by

52:05

the lack of invidious GPUs as Apple

52:07

has been for a long long time.

52:09

It would be so great if they

52:12

had that capability. And I wouldn't be

52:14

surprised if Apple wasn't working on that. They've

52:16

got to be, right? Yeah, so I think

52:18

that those are, but I think that that

52:20

is, again, these are things that Apple has

52:22

probably some time on rather than trying. And

52:25

then Deep Seek I think showed you also

52:27

how quickly someone could do something that was

52:29

much different. So when we think we need

52:31

all of this capacity. Maybe we need all

52:33

that capacity and maybe we don't, you know,

52:35

in the future, you know, so, you know,

52:37

there's this thing where we kind of are

52:40

doing all the things the hard way right

52:42

now. It deep-sea, now they may have cut

52:44

a bunch of corners that make their,

52:46

there's not as valid, but the point

52:48

is, is that these, this heavy

52:50

lifting for training these models, what

52:52

it showed and what I think it

52:54

scared everybody that's invested in, in this

52:56

is that. it could shift very quickly

52:59

and suddenly be much less expensive to

53:01

to build these models with a lot

53:03

less hardware and Apple may be someone

53:05

who figures part of that out. That's

53:07

why invidious stock tanked when Deep Seek

53:09

came out. Right, because maybe everybody's got

53:11

as much as they need. So that's

53:13

the you know so that's the right

53:15

now everybody's doing it the hard way

53:17

because that's because right now everybody has

53:19

to keep up with everybody else. when

53:21

they're not Apple. If you're just software

53:23

and you're only thing, the only thing that

53:25

you're providing is AI, then you have to

53:27

keep up with every Jones that's out there.

53:30

Whereas, you know, Apple's got a bunch of

53:32

other things they can think about right now,

53:34

or that are paying the bills while they

53:36

try to figure out what. what the best

53:38

way to integrate this but everybody else has

53:40

to so they're all just they have to

53:42

keep buying those and those cards as fast

53:44

as invidia can make them because they don't

53:46

have another solution and they have to keep

53:48

producing something that keeps them in the game

53:50

whereas you know you know and there could

53:52

be somebody like Deep Seek or someone else

53:54

that goes hey we can do this for one

53:56

tenth the cost or one hundred that happens in

53:58

our industry all the time. time. Like someone

54:00

figures out something that's one-tenth as hard

54:03

as it was a year ago

54:05

and we call that disruption. Untoward media

54:07

who's watching on YouTube points out that

54:09

AMD did exactly that with a language

54:12

called Ziluda, a drop-in replacement for Cuda

54:14

on AMD processors. Ziluda, now I don't

54:16

know anything about this, but they

54:18

claims to run unmodified Cuda applications using

54:21

non-invidia GPUs with near-native performance. So, hey,

54:23

if they could do it, if they

54:25

could do it, I imagine Apple could

54:28

do it too, right? And part of

54:30

the challenge also is just the

54:32

human resources, I mean, I know right

54:34

now, but being able to have people

54:37

who understand how to engineer that, so

54:39

there's a lot of understanding of

54:41

how to use Kuda to do this

54:44

one problem. And so if you build

54:46

a new operating system or a new

54:48

process to do that, then you have

54:51

to bring thousands, potentially thousands or hundreds

54:53

or hundreds of people up to

54:55

speed up to speed at least until

54:57

the AI, at it. Just keep in

55:00

mind that Apple's and Apple has a

55:02

simpler problem to solve. They really

55:04

just have to add AI features or

55:06

make room for external AI features on

55:09

their hardware devices, which is where they're

55:11

making their money. Whereas Google, Microsoft, Amazon,

55:13

they're trying to not their consumers. They're

55:16

consumers. You are a great target.

55:18

They love to have consumers. However, what

55:20

they want is industry. to be using

55:22

their servers, their compute power, to power

55:25

their own AI research, their own

55:27

AI apps. So Google has a very,

55:29

very, very, very, very deep stack that

55:31

they're pursuing right now. So it's a

55:34

difficult, it's a difficult thing to compare.

55:36

The two. Apple certainly got it easier

55:38

because again, they just need to

55:40

make their phones better. They just need

55:43

to deliver the features that people are

55:45

actually asking for, which as we've been

55:47

discussing for the past 10 minutes,

55:49

people aren't necessarily asking for AI features

55:52

right now. So they can stay afloat

55:54

a lot easier than they're not. that

55:56

big scrum of these three or four

55:59

companies that are trying to own server-side

56:01

AI compute, they're just trying to

56:03

deliver features for consumers. So they can

56:05

be a little bit more agile, I

56:08

think. And they may have a more

56:10

immediate concern, given that the 10% additional

56:12

tariffs have now gone into effect on

56:15

China, 25% on Canada and Mexico.

56:17

And as far as I know, there

56:19

is no exemption this time for iPhones.

56:21

That's one of the reasons Tim Cook

56:24

has been spending a lot of

56:26

time in Washington DC. I don't know.

56:28

We'll have to see what happens because

56:30

of that. That German talks about that.

56:33

He also talks about the iPad Air

56:35

begin seeing shortages ahead of a refresh.

56:37

That was Sunday. Yes, he was

56:39

right today. They came out. He also

56:42

says the MacBookare M4 is about to

56:44

launch. Let's see, he also said something

56:46

a little bit concerning about the

56:48

next Macbook pros, let me see if

56:51

I can, maybe didn't say it, maybe

56:53

he tweeted this, something about there not

56:55

being an M3 ultra or an M4

56:58

ultra in the studios, right? Yeah, in

57:00

the studio that it would get.

57:02

The M3 Ultra. Max, but the M3

57:04

Ultra, to differentiate it from the Mac

57:07

Pro, which is supposed to be announced

57:09

at some point. Not Mac Pro,

57:11

but Mac Pro. Mac Pro. Mac Pro.

57:13

That could be, of course, why a

57:16

marketing thing, or it could be that

57:18

TSMC is having trouble with yields. Yeah,

57:20

they can't get the chips. Unclear. I

57:23

think Apple would want the studios

57:25

to be as good as they could

57:27

be. That has become, for many, the

57:29

Mac Pro, right? particularly with the amount

57:32

of RAM you can put into

57:34

those things. Yeah, it's like those are

57:36

those are like AI cluster almost grade

57:38

machines. Yeah. That's four right four side

57:41

by side with the ultra or you

57:43

know in a square So yeah, I

57:45

can see how yield could be

57:47

an issue there Yeah, it's I mean

57:50

a lot of us are when we

57:52

saw what's happening with the M4s are

57:54

dying to see what happens with the

57:57

the studio and and again the studio

57:59

in the pro the pro is

58:01

just oh you need all these other

58:03

you need cards and and connections what

58:06

Apple's done well I think there is

58:08

made it clear that the pro

58:10

is pretty much the same as the

58:12

studio as far as performance goes it's

58:15

just simply you need more more lanes

58:17

of USBC or Thunderbolt you need to

58:19

put be able to put cards in

58:22

you need those types of things.

58:24

That's a very specialized small market right?

58:26

It is but it's an as a

58:28

market I don't think Apple wants to

58:31

seed because it's an influential market

58:33

and I think that what happens is

58:35

that it's kind of like that F1

58:37

version if there's people like Me that

58:40

you know I definitely I was growing

58:42

to feel what when the trash cans

58:44

were as high as it went

58:46

That was bad what I really started

58:49

feeling like I'm not gonna I'm gonna

58:51

have to move over to PC's for

58:53

a bunch of the stuff that

58:55

I'm doing and you don't want to

58:58

that affects an entire all the down

59:00

chain from there people start doing that

59:02

when you talk about that ecosystem that

59:05

we talked about before you can't have

59:07

the high end and there's still

59:09

some high end stuff that the some

59:11

of us will move to a PC4

59:14

because there's just things we can't put

59:16

four India cards into one Mac

59:18

right that's those are the kind of

59:20

solves that we we can't do but

59:23

but for the most part for 99%

59:25

of the of the folks out there.

59:27

The Mac Pro is enough as a

59:30

high end to solve the problem.

59:32

Frankly, for many of us, the Mac

59:34

minis. Yeah, it's pretty good. I mean,

59:36

I'm extremely happy with my mini. Yeah,

59:39

you know, I might have to buy

59:41

a lot of Mac mini, the little

59:43

ones, and so I bought the

59:45

cheapest one I could get, the little,

59:48

you know, whatever the $5.99 version of

59:50

it is, and I'm just, I'm having

59:52

a hard time getting it to

59:54

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E. E. Terrordown on and I

1:03:18

Fix it. They say and they're

1:03:20

not alone in this never before

1:03:22

has skipping an upgrade made more

1:03:25

sense Part of the reason is

1:03:27

you could still buy older iPhones

1:03:29

for less right and then 14

1:03:31

there's nothing wrong with it But

1:03:33

they also say for the first

1:03:35

time ever, Apple's released a repair

1:03:37

procedure for the charging port. And

1:03:39

that may be because of the

1:03:41

EU. Or right to repair laws.

1:03:43

Now every state in the union

1:03:45

has a right to repair law

1:03:47

in process. Apple has backed off

1:03:49

on blocking parts with software, which

1:03:51

is very good news. And of

1:03:53

course. I fix it as been

1:03:55

on the front lines of this

1:03:57

fight. They say we're happy to

1:03:59

report we didn't see any part

1:04:01

pairing issues when we swapped logic

1:04:04

boards at least with OEM parts

1:04:06

repair assistant worked as advertised. I

1:04:08

don't know if they fixed the

1:04:10

problems you had mica with getting

1:04:12

the equipment. Getting the equipment before

1:04:14

he got the parts. Yeah. and

1:04:16

then he had to return the

1:04:18

equipment and the same day that

1:04:20

he returned the equipment the parts

1:04:22

arrived yeah which because of the

1:04:24

way that it works you basically

1:04:26

put a whole bunch of money

1:04:28

on your card and then if

1:04:30

you don't return the the tools

1:04:32

in time then they charge you

1:04:34

the full thing we have to

1:04:36

give them back or else we're

1:04:38

gonna get charged but we tried

1:04:40

to call them and say look

1:04:42

this is what we're trying to

1:04:45

know they wouldn't have it so

1:04:47

we had to send it all

1:04:49

back it's a separate group doing

1:04:51

the parts, I think. Yeah, absolutely.

1:04:53

So you never did get that

1:04:55

repair done. We did not get

1:04:57

to do the repair in person,

1:04:59

unfortunately. That was, didn't work out.

1:05:01

So he said, so they go

1:05:03

on an eye fix if you're

1:05:05

on an old SE model, should

1:05:07

you upgrade? Probably not. We still

1:05:09

say, even after getting into the

1:05:11

phone's guts, a refurbished phone will

1:05:13

get you more bang for your

1:05:15

buck. I think that's kind of

1:05:17

the bottom line. But if you

1:05:19

want Apple intelligence or something. you

1:05:21

know with the A18 and that

1:05:23

this seems like it's just does

1:05:26

anybody need? Yeah, the camera's a

1:05:28

lot nicer. Yeah, I just want

1:05:30

to keep coming back to the

1:05:32

48 megapicksal camera on that on

1:05:34

it. So if you want a

1:05:36

better camera for that isn't very

1:05:38

expensive, I think that's the only

1:05:40

reason to refurbish the cameras jump

1:05:42

pretty in the last... last couple

1:05:44

years the cameras jumped pretty dramatically

1:05:46

and you get used to shooting

1:05:48

48 megapixle images and it's hard

1:05:50

to give up. The electrically released

1:05:52

adhesive that Apple shipped first for

1:05:54

the iPhone 16 is now in

1:05:56

the 16e which is good, makes

1:05:58

it a lot easier to release

1:06:00

the glue, what else? No mag

1:06:02

safe, they don't like that, but

1:06:04

you still have a cheat charging,

1:06:07

it's just slower. If you charge

1:06:09

overnight, I don't think you'll notice

1:06:11

a difference. And probably it's healthier

1:06:13

for the battery to charge at

1:06:15

a lower wattage, yes. Actually, we

1:06:17

had some interesting, two different pieces

1:06:19

of news on the charging on

1:06:21

the 16E. Gruber, in his review,

1:06:23

said he talked to, for instance,

1:06:25

he talked to Apple about this

1:06:27

question, and their reply to him

1:06:29

on why... why the charging is

1:06:31

so weak compared to the main

1:06:33

iPhone 16 and why MagSafe isn't

1:06:35

there is because they feel as

1:06:37

though the the consumer that they

1:06:39

have in mind for this phone

1:06:41

doesn't care about wireless charging at

1:06:43

all and are more likely to

1:06:45

just plug in a cable. Interesting.

1:06:48

I don't I don't know if

1:06:50

this is Accurate or not, but

1:06:52

that's what that's what they went

1:06:54

on the record with with Gruber

1:06:56

with I'm That could be absolutely

1:06:58

the case again as as John's

1:07:00

I have to agree with what

1:07:02

John said in his review which

1:07:04

is that I'm sure that Apple

1:07:06

knows its market for this phone

1:07:08

better than I do But I

1:07:10

also remember back when the that

1:07:12

big really bad fatal redesign of

1:07:14

the Macbook pro came out And

1:07:16

Apple was saying, yes, we, the

1:07:18

reason why we removed the SD

1:07:20

card slot is that we feel

1:07:22

that professional photographers are using Wi-Fi

1:07:24

to connect their, so maybe their

1:07:26

saving face. And also, MacWorld had

1:07:29

a piece in which they said,

1:07:31

they said that, yeah, actually you

1:07:33

can use mag safe, but it's

1:07:35

like super super super super super

1:07:37

weak. Like it's things will cling

1:07:39

to it in a sort of

1:07:41

like desultory sort of limp. It's

1:07:43

a limp magsive. Exactly. And that's

1:07:45

the thing. So the reason why

1:07:47

magsafe is what it is and

1:07:49

it allows for more efficient charging,

1:07:51

I mean, we know that by

1:07:53

even slightly having your charger misaligned,

1:07:55

it. is not sending the exact,

1:07:57

it's not sending it exactly as

1:07:59

it should, so that does result

1:08:01

in more heat, which means that

1:08:03

they end up dropping how much

1:08:05

power they're pushing through so that

1:08:08

they don't overheat it. But the

1:08:10

problem is, without that mag safe

1:08:12

in place to help you align

1:08:14

the coil, you are still getting

1:08:16

more heat than you might otherwise

1:08:18

get. Remember those days of the

1:08:20

old days before mag safe and

1:08:22

if you didn't get it on

1:08:24

just right and there was no

1:08:26

way of knowing it would. Yeah,

1:08:28

I, you know, and plus there's

1:08:30

a lot of this is the

1:08:32

insta 360 gimble, a lot of

1:08:34

devices that rely on mag safe

1:08:36

for attachment, right? Yep, I need

1:08:38

a case or some other thing

1:08:40

you stick to the back to

1:08:42

basically make it mag safe. But

1:08:44

Apple knows it's customer base. So

1:08:46

maybe they, well, maybe they do.

1:08:49

No, I don't know. Do you

1:08:51

charge wirelessly, Michael? I do, everything

1:08:53

now. And I was, I'm on

1:08:55

record as being a wireless charging

1:08:57

skeptic, mostly because I was being

1:08:59

a pedant who didn't like the

1:09:01

idea of calling something wireless. You

1:09:03

know, it's a waste of a

1:09:05

battery and juice and it's terrible.

1:09:07

Well, I just didn't, I mean,

1:09:09

because there's still a wire connected

1:09:11

to the part that charges, so

1:09:13

that's, that, it was dumb. In

1:09:15

fact, I bought it for the

1:09:17

whole family. These anchor all in

1:09:19

one charges for the phone, the

1:09:21

air pod, and the watch. And

1:09:23

they fold up. Whoops, the page

1:09:25

is missing. Well, okay. They fold

1:09:27

up, which is really nice for

1:09:30

traveling, so they carry these around

1:09:32

with me. Let's see if the

1:09:34

page is still missing. Clicked again.

1:09:36

Well, I hope they still sell

1:09:38

them. So I, you know, I

1:09:40

like, I do, yeah, I do

1:09:42

wireless charging still. Andy, you wireless

1:09:44

charge your Google device? Not really,

1:09:46

only because I just don't have

1:09:48

enough wireless charging stands. And the

1:09:50

thing is, I recharge my phone

1:09:52

infrequently enough that it's kind of

1:09:54

okay for me just to remember

1:09:56

to plug it in. Wait a

1:09:58

minute, recharge infrequently enough. You mean

1:10:00

you don't charge it every night?

1:10:02

Oh no, I recharge it every

1:10:04

night. It's just that like if

1:10:06

I were, if I were using

1:10:08

my phone like hammering it every

1:10:11

single day to the extent where

1:10:13

by the end of the day,

1:10:15

I might need to top it

1:10:17

up and get stuff done. Yeah,

1:10:19

yeah. Then I would have like,

1:10:21

I would have wireless charging stands

1:10:23

like next to the sofa, next

1:10:25

to my desk, next things like

1:10:27

that. As it is, with my

1:10:29

last phone, it's, it lasts long

1:10:31

enough that it's no problem for

1:10:33

me to say, it's no problem

1:10:35

for me to me to say.

1:10:37

It's no problem for me to

1:10:39

say. It's no problem for me.

1:10:41

At the end of the day,

1:10:43

now it's time going to plug

1:10:45

it in. And now, and also,

1:10:47

also the disadvantages of leaving the

1:10:49

phone plugged in and charging overnight

1:10:52

are now also kind of mitigated

1:10:54

because of features that basically say,

1:10:56

oh, you're overnight charging, okay, so

1:10:58

I'm not going to try to

1:11:00

charge it in the way I

1:11:02

just plug it in. I just,

1:11:04

then I go to sleep, you

1:11:06

know, so that's 99% of what

1:11:08

I need. And then, and then

1:11:10

when I drive, I'm using the

1:11:12

peak design, you know, mount, that

1:11:14

has a USBC, so anytime I'm

1:11:16

driving, I'm recharging it by snapping

1:11:18

it onto that bus. Actually, my

1:11:20

car has a cheat charging pad

1:11:22

in it, that it just put

1:11:24

the phone on and it charges.

1:11:26

Nice. Yeah. I wish I had

1:11:28

mag safe, but I guess that

1:11:30

would be too. you know I

1:11:33

feel like it's just kind of

1:11:35

like a little bonus like it

1:11:37

sits right where you know it's

1:11:39

the it's the peak design that

1:11:41

clamps onto your event so it

1:11:43

just kind of sits it sits

1:11:45

right on the outside and that's

1:11:47

what I'm using most of the

1:11:49

time for what I what I

1:11:51

need the phone for and so

1:11:53

it's in the right place at

1:11:55

least on my car and and

1:11:57

I and it happens to charge

1:11:59

while it's doing that. And so

1:12:01

that's good, but I very rarely

1:12:03

run out of, I very rarely run

1:12:06

out of battery in a single day. You

1:12:08

know, like, so if I charge every night

1:12:10

when I go to bed, I very rarely

1:12:12

hit the bottom, mostly because I don't, I

1:12:14

have to say, I don't have a lot

1:12:16

of Facebook apps on my phone. I do

1:12:19

use Facebook, I use it on my desktop,

1:12:21

I just don't have it on my phone,

1:12:23

I just don't have it on my phone,

1:12:25

I just don't have it on my phone,

1:12:27

30, 40% longer. And so I just

1:12:29

decided, well, I'm not going to go

1:12:31

back. Yeah, I'm very judicious about background

1:12:34

app updates on any apps. You have

1:12:36

to, you have to be blessed by

1:12:38

me before I allow you to background

1:12:40

app update. So there aren't many that

1:12:43

have that. Well, Apple, I mean, I

1:12:45

don't think it's, obviously, Apple doesn't think

1:12:47

it's a, yeah, it's on a deal

1:12:49

breaker. That's the word I was like.

1:12:52

It's a deal breaker. I wish I

1:12:54

would have remembered. There was one

1:12:56

that did. What else did they

1:12:58

learn? Oh, they talked a little

1:13:01

bit about the C1 modem. I

1:13:03

still haven't seen any benchmarks

1:13:06

comparing the C1 modem

1:13:08

in the 16E to the Qualcomm

1:13:10

modem. Maybe because it's as good,

1:13:12

you know, I don't know. There

1:13:14

was one that did. And I

1:13:17

think it was basically the

1:13:19

same as what I remember reading.

1:13:21

There just really wasn't that much of a

1:13:23

difference. The tradeoffs ended up being in other

1:13:26

places, and so it was just kind of

1:13:28

like, okay, it's fine. But it doesn't stand

1:13:30

out. Yeah, Macrumors did a roundup of

1:13:32

reviews focusing on the C1 modem

1:13:34

and basically they highlighted Green the

1:13:36

Virgin, Tom's guide, a couple others,

1:13:39

that it doesn't seem to be

1:13:41

a difference, not much difference between

1:13:43

the C1 and the X71. Okay.

1:13:45

One thing I think it does

1:13:47

like the C1 for is it

1:13:49

draws less battery, so you get

1:13:51

better battery life. Because of that.

1:13:54

And they point out there is

1:13:56

now an official charging port repair

1:13:58

manual, which I think is. the

1:14:00

first time that is one of the

1:14:02

things that breaks most often I think

1:14:04

on the on phones absolutely yeah so

1:14:06

it's not for the faint of heart

1:14:08

though so that was interesting to hear

1:14:10

I fix it say if they say

1:14:12

that it means don't yeah probably should

1:14:14

just you probably should just leave it

1:14:16

alone it's a don't to what they

1:14:18

say so they don't I'm definitely not

1:14:20

gonna I'm like let's not for the

1:14:22

are you faint of heart Alex I

1:14:24

don't I don't try to repair Apple

1:14:26

devices. Yeah, I just don't I take

1:14:28

it back to Apple like I don't

1:14:30

I tried and I don't say that

1:14:32

as someone who never tried to fix

1:14:34

Apple devices I was obsessed with trying

1:14:36

to fix my own devices and just

1:14:38

decided even when they worked they were

1:14:40

never quite the same like there was

1:14:42

just there you know the level of

1:14:45

and you pulled pieces out of it

1:14:47

and you go oh I'm never going

1:14:49

to get this back the way it

1:14:51

was always like this little movement. you

1:14:53

know because everything's so tightly wound and

1:14:55

this is over a decade ago that

1:14:57

I was doing this and there was

1:14:59

some point where I had a laptop

1:15:01

that I needed I had to go

1:15:03

buy another one because I had broken

1:15:05

this one trying to update the RAM

1:15:07

or something and I was like I'm

1:15:09

never doing this again and that that

1:15:11

was the end of it I was

1:15:13

like from now on I'll take it

1:15:15

to Apple and just have them fix

1:15:17

it or I'll just you know I

1:15:19

so totally agree like these that the

1:15:21

there are only a few things I

1:15:23

really miss about not having an about

1:15:25

having a pixel phone instead of an

1:15:27

iPhone and that is like I can

1:15:29

go I can decide which I can

1:15:31

decide where do I want to go

1:15:33

to lunch while having professionals fix my

1:15:35

phone for me within the hour and

1:15:37

there are three apple stores that can

1:15:39

go to which I would choose between

1:15:41

based on ooh I could really go

1:15:43

for some Korean Bim and Bob right

1:15:45

now. Okay, so I'll go to the

1:15:48

one in Korean. And now that, but

1:15:50

now that like Google is starting to

1:15:52

open up there is that they open

1:15:54

up a Google store in Boston. So

1:15:56

now let's have, fortunately I haven't had

1:15:58

to try it yet, but it's like,

1:16:00

do not diminish the ability to just

1:16:02

go some place nearby and have someone

1:16:04

fix something for you. Like, even, I

1:16:06

don't care how easy the instructions are

1:16:08

for replacing a battery. If I can

1:16:10

pay somebody $20 extra over the cost

1:16:12

of parts to simply replace the battery

1:16:14

in my device, that's $20 of stress

1:16:16

that I, I will forego my Friday

1:16:18

pizza for, to lose my kind of

1:16:20

stress. And on the other side of

1:16:22

that, I take really good care of

1:16:24

my hardware. Like, so I, you know,

1:16:26

the other side of that has, you

1:16:28

know, the other side of that has

1:16:30

become, you know, Zero because it's sitting

1:16:32

inside of a case. Yep. And it's

1:16:34

got a protective piece on the front

1:16:36

And when I pull it out of

1:16:38

all of that stuff when I pull

1:16:40

it out of all that stuff It

1:16:42

looks like I when I bought it

1:16:44

at the store and I will not

1:16:46

I bought a new for For Michael

1:16:49

Krasny show for gray matter. I bought

1:16:51

a laptop for him for him. We

1:16:53

bought a laptop that you know a

1:16:55

mac book pro so that we have

1:16:57

the a good mic if we needed

1:16:59

to use it inside we've got the

1:17:01

camera that can be used and all

1:17:03

these other things and it can be

1:17:05

taken over from remotely and I didn't

1:17:07

take it out of the box until

1:17:09

the case arrived. Like I don't, I

1:17:11

don't, I've learned that that's when you,

1:17:13

not, that's when you do it is

1:17:15

you don't, you don't open it up

1:17:17

and start playing with it and getting

1:17:19

even fingerprints on it until the case

1:17:21

arrives and then you take it carefully

1:17:23

out of the box, you put it

1:17:25

in the case and then then then

1:17:27

you start doing whatever you're going to

1:17:29

do to it after that. But that's

1:17:31

how I've kind of gotten to, you

1:17:33

know, I spent a lot of money

1:17:35

on these devices and it. And it

1:17:37

doesn't take very much to protect very

1:17:39

much to protect them to protect them

1:17:41

for a protect them for a protect

1:17:43

them for a very much to protect

1:17:45

them for a very much to protect

1:17:47

them for a very much to protect

1:17:49

them for a very much to protect

1:17:52

them for a very long time for

1:17:54

a very long time. We call that

1:17:56

the right to not repair. Can I

1:17:58

read this paragraph really quick? It's super

1:18:00

quick, it says, so this is for

1:18:02

repairing the USB. Before you can even

1:18:04

start the repair of that charging port,

1:18:06

you've got to remove the back glass,

1:18:08

the selfie camera, the top earpiece speaker,

1:18:10

the battery, the tactic engine, the bottom

1:18:12

speaker, the main microphone, and the sim

1:18:14

assembly. Only at that point, can you

1:18:16

actually do the port replacement? And there

1:18:18

is some soldering, as you might say.

1:18:20

I would never say that because I'm

1:18:22

not a weirdo. No, I think that

1:18:24

they just want to just show why

1:18:26

they did some hot wiring stuff in

1:18:28

it. Yeah. All that notwithstanding I fix

1:18:30

it gives a pretty respectable seven out

1:18:32

of ten repairability score which ranks it

1:18:34

with the rest of the 16 lineup

1:18:36

that is pending the expected release of

1:18:38

spare parts which are at least as

1:18:40

of the time of their story not

1:18:42

yet available. Seven's pretty good. It's a

1:18:44

huge improvement over older iPhones, I have

1:18:46

to say. Yeah, a lot, a lot

1:18:48

better. So Apple's making good progress. They're

1:18:50

well done. Well done. They also point

1:18:53

out that now that it doesn't have

1:18:55

the home button, that's another area of

1:18:57

failure, another area of ingress. I know

1:18:59

it was longer exists. So, it's a

1:19:01

very fine review. Because it was touch

1:19:03

ID was one of the reasons it

1:19:05

had to do parts pairing with the

1:19:07

screen. And it was, yeah, that was

1:19:09

a bit of a bit of a

1:19:11

bit of a bit of a bit

1:19:13

of a bit of a nightmare. Well,

1:19:15

it was a sad day last week

1:19:17

when I learned that after two decades,

1:19:19

Microsoft is shutting down Skype. Who will

1:19:21

we curse? Well, you know, I have

1:19:23

mixed feelings about this. We got off

1:19:25

Skype. Thanks to you, Alex and Andy

1:19:27

Carluchio and went to zoom right around

1:19:29

2020, right around the pandemic. But Skype,

1:19:31

until then was our choice, you know.

1:19:33

video call of choice and we had

1:19:35

Skypeosaurs. Remember calling? Built Skypeosaurs. We would

1:19:37

quit wouldn't exist if Skype hadn't existed.

1:19:39

Yeah, we used it right up until

1:19:41

2020. You know, early 2020 is when

1:19:43

we were, I was using Skype for

1:19:45

those things. I still had, I at

1:19:47

one point owned six of the Skype

1:19:49

TX boxes. Those are four channel, four

1:19:51

channel Skype TX boxes. I had six

1:19:53

of those. And we used them for

1:19:56

many, many, many events and lots of

1:19:58

people. We wire them all in and

1:20:00

we ran them into these big systems

1:20:02

and everything else. uh... they they were

1:20:04

you know it worked the problem really

1:20:06

was that Microsoft, first of all, never

1:20:08

invested in it. And when they did,

1:20:10

they constantly were fiddling with it in

1:20:12

ways that made it worse. When they

1:20:14

bought it, the video quality was higher

1:20:16

than anything is now, even with Zoom.

1:20:18

Even better than Zoom. Now. the creature

1:20:20

comforts of zoom iso and a lot

1:20:22

of other things that that that liminal

1:20:24

brought with them is a you know

1:20:26

makes zoom a better solution than Skype

1:20:28

ever was but but the video you

1:20:30

don't have to build a Skype source

1:20:32

anymore right of a Skype to Xbox

1:20:34

to have separate channels but what Skype

1:20:36

would do is it would go oh

1:20:38

I see how much bandwidth you have

1:20:40

I'm gonna use half of it you

1:20:42

know and it would just it would

1:20:44

just it would just because it was

1:20:46

a period of peer to peer remember

1:20:48

that the founders of Skype sharing service

1:20:50

and they use that technology to do

1:20:52

the video calling so it was peer-to-peer

1:20:54

Microsoft didn't like that yeah they thought

1:20:57

that was a maybe a liability so

1:20:59

they went to a central server and

1:21:01

then And then the thing is, and

1:21:03

the thing is, and the problem is

1:21:05

that they brought in the, the death

1:21:07

of all things, which is the Microsoft

1:21:09

login, like the Microsoft login is so

1:21:11

complicated, and you get it in, and

1:21:13

it's, and, and, and, so then you

1:21:15

end up all these permissions errors, and

1:21:17

you end up in these cycles, and

1:21:19

so, so the, so all of that.

1:21:21

It was just the slow death they

1:21:23

went in I don't know what they

1:21:25

actually pulled out of it as far

1:21:27

as for teams because obviously nothing good

1:21:29

because they say that the court now

1:21:31

they say this the core technology in

1:21:33

teams is going to be the Skype

1:21:35

Technology unfortunately that's what they're moving you

1:21:37

to come you know when this is

1:21:39

all shut down come May They say,

1:21:41

you don't worry, you can use teams,

1:21:43

but I don't know anybody who loves

1:21:45

teams. No, I mean, teams is good

1:21:47

because it's part of an ecosystem that

1:21:49

you're forced to use at work. So,

1:21:51

so the, so the, I mean, that's

1:21:53

what teams is for, right? The only

1:21:55

time you see people using teams is

1:21:57

because their company has told them they

1:22:00

have to use teams and it's all

1:22:02

part of their 365, which they remind

1:22:04

you every time you open it. is

1:22:06

teams as part of an ecosystem and

1:22:08

it's powerful in the sense that you

1:22:10

can a business can do lots of

1:22:12

jobs inside of teams but I don't

1:22:14

know any. I've never seen a personal

1:22:16

person like use teams as like their

1:22:18

choice of video conferencing. That would be,

1:22:20

you know, and I think that in

1:22:22

teams, of course, while they say they're

1:22:24

Kennedy P, they're really only Kennedy P

1:22:26

for the first two people. And then

1:22:28

as soon as you go to the

1:22:30

third person, it goes to 720 and

1:22:32

then you're never going to get above

1:22:34

720. And now I believe Zoom has

1:22:36

been, we've seen it rolling out. It's

1:22:38

not, I don't think it's completely, it's

1:22:40

completely. you'll get 10 ADP. Yep, that's

1:22:42

why we bought it. It's for 10

1:22:44

ADP, right? And so for anybody that

1:22:46

cares about, cares about video quality, he is

1:22:48

on Zoom. Yeah, I was up all

1:22:51

night working on a show that we

1:22:53

were back hauling, something from a couple

1:22:55

of different countries over last night. I

1:22:57

kept on looking at it. We had

1:23:00

like handheld, I mean, we had steady

1:23:02

cams and everything else all being backhaul

1:23:04

over Zoom and I was like, I

1:23:07

cannot believe I'm doing this over Zoom.

1:23:09

Like I just can't believe where we're

1:23:11

bringing people walking through buildings and

1:23:13

you know, all this other stuff. It was

1:23:15

incredible. Truly amazing. So well, I'm sad because

1:23:18

I mean, we're 20 years old. It was

1:23:20

in 2005 when I realized, you know, even

1:23:22

though all of our hosts are in

1:23:24

different locations. Somebody called the radio

1:23:26

show. So this is when I was doing

1:23:28

a call in radio show and we all

1:23:31

the calls were five phone and somebody in

1:23:33

2004 I think maybe 2005 called and I

1:23:35

said you sound amazing you sound like

1:23:37

you're in the room with me. He said yeah

1:23:39

I'm using Skype because Skype had

1:23:41

Skype out remember. Skype in and Skype

1:23:43

had to let you call phone numbers.

1:23:46

And I said that that was

1:23:48

like for me a light. came

1:23:50

on and said, I could use

1:23:52

this to podcast and now I

1:23:54

can get Kevin Rose in Los

1:23:56

Angeles and Patrick Norton under his

1:23:58

car and all of these people.

1:24:00

unless you had an ISDN connection. The

1:24:02

problem with phones was that the phone

1:24:04

company literally adds noise to the phone

1:24:06

call so that you know it's there

1:24:09

So when you pick it up you

1:24:11

know that there's there's this subconscious thing

1:24:13

that they do they add just a

1:24:15

little bit of noise So that so

1:24:17

that you because if you don't people

1:24:19

will feel like it's not because if

1:24:22

you don't people will feel like it's

1:24:24

not you know like and it's funny

1:24:26

you won't notice that it's there but

1:24:28

you'll notice it's missing. So they add

1:24:30

just a little bit of noise and

1:24:32

then we have to filter all that

1:24:35

noise out every time we did something

1:24:37

else. And so Skype was one of

1:24:39

the first ones that allowed us to

1:24:41

have a pure signal that just sounded

1:24:43

great. And then the video was, again,

1:24:45

we would see. Okay. No, well, when

1:24:48

video, when it picked up speed, it

1:24:50

got to a point where it would

1:24:52

do 20 mags a second, which we

1:24:54

would use all the bandwidth, which would

1:24:56

use that bandwidth, which would use that

1:24:58

bandwidth, now you had to be very

1:25:01

careful about what you, when you turn

1:25:03

Skype on, what else are you doing?

1:25:05

And it would not gracefully handle, you

1:25:07

suddenly, you would not gracefully handle, you

1:25:09

suddenly handle, you would not gracefully handle,

1:25:11

you would not grace fully handle, what

1:25:14

else are you doing? And it, it

1:25:16

would not gracefully handle, and what else

1:25:18

are you doing, and it, and it,

1:25:20

and it, and it, and it, and

1:25:22

it, and it would not gracefully, and

1:25:24

it, and it would not gracefully, and

1:25:26

it, and it, it would not gracefully,

1:25:29

and it, and it, and it would

1:25:31

not gracefully, and it, it would not

1:25:33

gracefully, and it, it, it, it would

1:25:35

not gracefully, it would not gracefully, it

1:25:37

would not gracefully, it and now I

1:25:39

have to stop you know and so

1:25:42

so like you know like I have

1:25:44

to figure I have to figure this

1:25:46

all out it's going to take me

1:25:48

a second to sort this out because

1:25:50

you just screwed everything up so so

1:25:52

I'm getting a little PTSD from the

1:25:55

days and we really we're fighting with

1:25:57

people over you know we that's why

1:25:59

Burke remembers a Wi-Fi I mean it

1:26:01

just kind of yeah so Wi-Fi still

1:26:03

doesn't work by the way you're listening

1:26:05

to this public public service announcement Wi-Fi

1:26:08

stinks when you're on video- Always everybody's

1:26:10

wired when we get them on the

1:26:12

shows as far as we can some

1:26:14

people can't but when we can so

1:26:16

May Microsoft said your log information for

1:26:18

Skype will be used on teams free-tier

1:26:21

in the coming days Shut down will

1:26:23

happen for sure for fully in May

1:26:25

if we're using a free-tier teams what

1:26:27

are you thinking like you know if

1:26:29

you're not a company using teams like

1:26:31

stop stop like go to zoom like

1:26:34

zoom is amazing yeah it's it is

1:26:36

it's it's so it's so and again

1:26:38

it's it's because of people like Andy

1:26:40

that are that are there that there's

1:26:42

actually folks that are focused on quality

1:26:44

and and the feature sets around it

1:26:47

especially as broadcasters there's nothing close yeah

1:26:49

well you do see some companies I

1:26:51

think CNN uses web X Probably the

1:26:53

pure webex cable, right? Apple is a

1:26:55

pretty big webex. They have a little

1:26:57

bug on there. But really, that has

1:26:59

transformed the cable news business as well,

1:27:02

but everybody's on Zoom or something equivalent

1:27:04

now. They don't have to go to

1:27:06

a satellite bureau anymore. Yeah, I mean,

1:27:08

the problem really is that they don't,

1:27:10

because you're an eight-minute hit. They're never

1:27:12

going to see it again. Right. You

1:27:15

know, they almost tell people when we

1:27:17

work with people, when we bring them

1:27:19

into, again, like Michael Krasny Sean, I'm

1:27:21

sure you have this a little bit.

1:27:23

People tell you, oh, I do this

1:27:25

all the time. And then you know,

1:27:28

you're screwed. You're just totally screwed. We

1:27:30

got a guy, I won't name names.

1:27:32

He's going to be on one of

1:27:34

our shows soon who says, oh no,

1:27:36

I do this all the time. I

1:27:38

don't. Yeah, exactly. And so it's, so

1:27:41

it's, you know, so that democratization hasn't,

1:27:43

you know, fixed a lot of those

1:27:45

things. And what's funny is a lot

1:27:47

of people would fix it when we

1:27:49

tell them like, hey, let's send a

1:27:51

mic to you or let's make this

1:27:54

work or let's do whatever. They're like,

1:27:56

why didn't anyone tell me this? I

1:27:58

would have bought all these things if

1:28:00

someone told me they don't know the

1:28:02

difference. And but it's, for instance, you

1:28:04

know big big corporations that use web

1:28:07

X I think that that's a lot

1:28:09

of it has to do with it's

1:28:11

so built into every conference room and

1:28:13

every there's a certain inertia there it

1:28:15

has it has little to do with

1:28:17

what zoom can do versus it because

1:28:20

zoom is clearly better than web X

1:28:22

now I will say that web X

1:28:24

over over the time when COVID started

1:28:26

to now has probably improved more than

1:28:28

any other virtual conferencing system out there.

1:28:30

Even Zoom, it's gotten better than Zoom

1:28:32

is just ahead of it, but it's

1:28:35

taken more ground than anybody else. So

1:28:37

it's definitely came from being a complete

1:28:39

joke to reasonable. Apple lost, made a

1:28:41

mistake, a boo boo not making Face

1:28:43

Time be cross platform. No. I think

1:28:45

that a lot of people use Face

1:28:48

time. And if we were all on.

1:28:50

Apple devices that would be a good

1:28:52

choice. Even if we were all on

1:28:54

Apple devices, like when you space time,

1:28:56

you prefer so, it's so, yeah, absolutely.

1:28:58

Well, I mean, so here's the deal.

1:29:01

If I'm gonna jump on the number

1:29:03

one thing you do when you wanna

1:29:05

jump on a video with somebody else

1:29:07

that's got an iPhone or some other

1:29:09

whatever is. Face time because it's just

1:29:11

it's easy. It always works. You can

1:29:14

just talk to them. You don't have

1:29:16

to have any kind of whatever. Apple

1:29:18

blurs the definition too because it will

1:29:20

often make phone calls. Well, both audio

1:29:22

and video with Face time. When you

1:29:24

think you're making a phone call. When

1:29:27

you think you're making a phone call.

1:29:29

When I'm overseas, a lot of times

1:29:31

I'm using Face time to call somebody.

1:29:33

Face time audio because I don't, you

1:29:35

know, I got Wi-Fi. I just don't

1:29:37

have a phone number. I just don't

1:29:40

have a phone number. number there for

1:29:42

and I want to pay minutes or

1:29:44

whatever it is. And so, and it

1:29:46

sounds a lot better. It's a better

1:29:48

contribution. It looks and sounds great. And

1:29:50

by the way, the FaceTime in Vision

1:29:52

Pro is, I just did a meeting.

1:29:55

I had a meeting with two other

1:29:57

people and we all, they showed up

1:29:59

with Vision Pro's and I was like,

1:30:01

oh, I better get my Vision Pro

1:30:03

out to see how this goes. Because

1:30:05

I've never been in a meeting, like

1:30:08

a meeting, like a meeting, like a

1:30:10

meeting, like, like, not a meeting, oh,

1:30:12

oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, let's,

1:30:14

let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's,

1:30:16

let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's,

1:30:18

let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's,

1:30:21

let's, And I put it on and

1:30:23

it kind of gets rid of the

1:30:25

windows and you're just kind of like

1:30:27

these ghosts are sitting there talking to

1:30:29

you. And within 10 minutes, it was

1:30:31

just like someone was there, like someone

1:30:34

was in the room with me. So

1:30:36

Apple, I think, they can't innovate that

1:30:38

way if they're spending half of their

1:30:40

time trying to figure out how to

1:30:42

get it to work on other operating

1:30:44

systems. And that's the big problem. As

1:30:47

someone who I've developed a lot of,

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or I've worked with team. to develop

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apps that are Apple only, especially in

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the audio video world. And I've worked

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with ones where we have to integrate

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with Windows and Android. And I can

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tell you that the Windows and Android

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versions, it's not just that they weren't

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