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week that was, then

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later, Matt Lieb,

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other sundry podcasts. Meanwhile,

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a Trump -appointed

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Texas permanently bans Trump from

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center there, but it's

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Marco Rubio surprised he's

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4:42

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks

4:45

so much for joining us.

4:48

It is, Emma. Casual

4:50

Friday. I'm super

4:52

casual. I'm not in

4:54

the office today. I'm only going to

4:57

be here for the first hour because

4:59

of, well, I've got

5:01

to do something else. Yeah.

5:05

I think that makes sense,

5:07

then. Thank you for that

5:09

explanation. Oh, you're very

5:11

welcome. Let's get to it.

5:15

Is that not a good explanation

5:17

I'm trying to? No, it's not.

5:19

Oh, there we go. All right.

5:21

It's weird. I'm not used to

5:23

doing this here. I

5:25

just got to say, you got built -in

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shelving. That's really nice. That's the thing I'm

5:30

most envious about when I look at your

5:32

apartment. That's the dream.

5:34

It looks much better on

5:36

camera. Okay. But

5:39

with all that said, let's

5:41

get to this. Mike

5:43

Wolf is the first

5:46

of you want to

5:48

say he's one of

5:50

the casualties of, you

5:52

know, the his

5:54

own incompetence and stupidity. But I

5:56

don't know that that's the case.

6:00

He of course was appointed National

6:02

Security Advisor. He was They

6:05

had to have a special election.

6:07

They were hampered on the numbers

6:09

of Republican congressmen they had or

6:11

I mean, I'm sure there's one

6:14

or two Congress Republican congresswomen Congressman

6:16

that they they had and so

6:18

It it made it a rocky

6:20

go for the Republicans at the

6:22

beginning of course It's not like

6:25

they have gone on to pass

6:27

any other legislation and maybe we'll

6:29

talk to Mehdi about how what

6:31

kind of difficulty they're having in

6:34

starting to actually do the

6:36

actual work of their reconciliation

6:38

bill. But

6:40

Michael Waltz summarily punted,

6:43

I don't know if

6:45

you played this yesterday,

6:47

but the clip of him

6:50

getting off Air Force, or

6:52

I should say Marine One,

6:54

which is the helicopter that

6:56

flies Trump and his entourage

6:58

to the airport. And

7:01

then everybody gets on the

7:03

on Air Force One, and

7:05

he just keeps walking

7:07

past the airplane. That's

7:10

so beautiful. Trump

7:13

apparently brought him on the helicopter,

7:15

and he's so nervous about firing

7:18

people that he wants to make

7:20

sure there's a limited amount of

7:23

time. So I suspect as soon

7:25

as they started to circle the

7:27

airport, he drops down.

7:33

Apparently, no

7:36

one else knew that Michael

7:38

Walts was going to be

7:40

fired, not the least of

7:43

which the person who was

7:45

going to replace him, who

7:47

also happens to be Secretary

7:50

of State, Marco Rubio, here

7:52

is how his spokesperson, Tammy

7:55

Bruce, a

7:57

AM talk radio host,

8:00

former... Here's

8:02

how she found out

8:04

that Waltz was fired

8:06

and Rubio was hired.

8:11

Has just written on Truth Social that

8:13

Mike Waltz is going to become the

8:16

new U .S. Ambassador to the United

8:18

Nations. Well, there you go. Fabulous.

8:20

And in addition to that, he

8:22

says that in the interim, Secretary

8:25

of State Marco Rubio will serve

8:27

as National Security Advisor while continuing

8:29

his strong leadership at the State

8:31

Department. Do you know how long

8:33

he's going to be serving in

8:35

both roles? It is clear that

8:37

I just heard this from you.

8:40

This is the magic.

8:44

Well, I have some insights

8:46

as to the potential of

8:48

certain things that might happen.

8:51

But when the president, and this, of course,

8:53

is all presidential decisions, right? So I'm with

8:55

the State Department. It is as I think

8:57

we'll be clear to all of you. You

9:00

don't really have to question how

9:02

and she says like I have

9:04

insights into some things that might

9:07

happen. If

9:09

you're not on the list

9:11

of people who are going

9:13

to find out that Rubio

9:15

is going to be the

9:17

acting national security advisor like

9:20

what's on the list like

9:22

like They forgot to add

9:24

her to the group chat.

9:26

They added Tammy Baldwin instead

9:28

or something like that, right?

9:30

Right. Or just. Oh,

9:33

sorry. It's not loud enough. My board yet. Anyway,

9:35

I got to keep trying. Keep

9:37

going. Sam. She gets

9:39

a little heads up on

9:41

what's going to be for

9:43

dessert in the commissary on

9:45

Fridays. But she doesn't

9:47

find out that her boss is going

9:50

to be the Acting National Security Advisor.

9:55

I'm with the State Department. It

9:58

is, as I think would be clear

10:00

to all of you, you don't want

10:02

to get ahead of your skis and

10:05

drawing conclusions or speculating about what may

10:07

occur. And you can

10:09

have a general sense of what's

10:11

possible. And then you

10:13

see that manifest usually. But I

10:16

think one thing I certainly have

10:18

learned is that things don't happen

10:20

until the president Says they're going

10:22

to happen. So the fact that

10:24

that is which was obviously truth

10:27

social Yeah, so that is the

10:29

miracle of modern technology and obviously

10:31

obviously that was on truth social

10:33

why where would it be wait?

10:36

Where else would it be?

10:39

Why would? Why would there

10:41

be any interim period where

10:43

I as the spokesperson for

10:45

the new Acting National Security

10:48

Advisor also the Secretary

10:50

of State, why would there be any

10:52

interim period where I would find this

10:55

out before somebody read it on a

10:57

shit posters account on truth social? I

10:59

mean, that's the beauty of being a

11:02

part of the Trump administration. There's this

11:04

like spontaneity. Anything can happen. You wake

11:06

up one day and your boss could

11:09

be now in an entirely new role

11:11

as both. Acting national

11:13

security advisor acting administrator of

11:15

USAID rubio is and now

11:18

of course his traditional role

11:20

as secretary of state like

11:23

They're understaffed overall as well

11:25

little marcos working doubles Go

11:27

to bed last night wake

11:30

up in the morning your

11:32

team of being cost four

11:34

times what it did yesterday

11:37

Let's let's continue I've

11:41

learned is that things don't

11:43

happen until the president says

11:45

they're going to happen. So

11:49

the fact that that is, which was obviously truth

11:51

social. Yeah, so that

11:53

is the miracle of modern technology

11:55

and the social media. So that

11:58

is an exciting moment here. I

12:00

think that as I know, Secretary

12:02

Rubio, this is a man

12:04

who, as I think you all know, has

12:06

won several hats from day one. Several

12:09

hats he's actually wearing, I think like

12:11

three or four at this point. He's

12:13

also head of USAID to the extent

12:15

that it exists. So

12:18

we are to believe, look,

12:20

none of this happens. Nobody

12:22

knows about this until Donald

12:24

Trump gets on his phone

12:26

and posts on truth social.

12:29

No one else knows about this. I

12:32

mean, she is a top official in

12:34

the government. If she doesn't know about

12:36

it, Nobody can know about it until

12:38

it happens. That's just the way we

12:41

roll here. Unless, of course, you're

12:44

that lunatic who changed herself to

12:46

Twitter, in which case you not

12:48

only knew about it, you were

12:50

responsible for it. The

12:52

other week when you were

12:55

able to, you know, basically

12:57

put in some suggestions that

13:00

President Trump fire the national

13:02

security apparatus and your input

13:05

outweighed the national security advisor,

13:08

Mike Waltz. Did you express any concerns

13:10

to him about Mike Waltz? My concern

13:12

was, well, you know, if Michael Waltz

13:15

is the NSAider. I just want people

13:17

to understand how insane it is that

13:19

we just got Tara Palmieri, I guess

13:21

she used to be on ABC or

13:24

something like that, but she's asking this

13:26

question. Just, I mean,

13:29

And maybe after Trump won, people

13:32

could have imagined this. But just

13:34

imagine 10 years ago, you

13:37

have someone, a former

13:39

network reporter asking the

13:41

question, you had some

13:43

concerns about the national security team.

13:45

And in fact, you went in

13:47

and talked about this. Do

13:49

you think that you're signaling out

13:52

these people was why these people

13:54

are gone? You

13:57

flip to the other person talking

13:59

and it's Laura Loomer. It's not

14:01

like Henry Kissinger Right, right. It's

14:04

like if like who's experience in

14:06

foreign policy was protesting the 9

14:08

11 so -called 9 11 mosque

14:11

That is her experience in foreign

14:13

policy. Don't sell her short Sam.

14:15

She also was against Muslims driving

14:18

ubers and lifts, so Right. Um,

14:20

and then then got banned from

14:22

it. This is like if Kamala

14:25

won and she brought in that,

14:27

uh, that too raw, too real

14:29

influencer to advise her on what

14:32

to do with Israel, Palestine. Suggestions

14:38

that President Trump fire the national

14:40

security apparatus and your input outweighed

14:42

the national security advisor, Mike Walts.

14:44

Did you express any concerns to

14:46

him about Mike Walts? My concern

14:48

was, well, you know, if Michael

14:51

Walt is the NSC director and

14:53

he or the NSC advisor and

14:55

he is saying that he's personally

14:57

vetting these individuals who have a

14:59

history of anti -Trump remarks and

15:01

anti -Trump associations. Why would he

15:04

be signing off on them? And

15:06

then it reminded me of a

15:08

video that I've saved in my

15:10

phone for many years of Michael

15:12

Waltz on video, speaking out against

15:14

President Trump when he first ran

15:17

for president, accusing him of being

15:19

against service members. And so, you

15:21

know, I was about to show

15:23

this video to President Trump and

15:25

then Michael Waltz, you know, walked

15:27

into the Oval Office. You know,

15:30

just, I could play the video.

15:32

It just makes me wonder. So

15:35

when you went to that meeting, He

15:37

essentially called anyone who was captured

15:39

in combat a loser. It's

15:42

something that I just personally can't

15:44

stomach. He's a war hero because

15:46

he was captured. I

15:48

like people that weren't captured. Don't let

15:50

Trump fool you. Look into his real

15:52

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15:55

called anybody captured in combat a loser.

15:57

It's something that I just personally, you

15:59

know, can't So

16:01

if you can't stomach it, why do you want to work

16:03

for President Trump? If you can't stomach it, why do you

16:05

want to work in the administration? I

16:08

was gonna say like I

16:10

don't know if anybody's seen

16:12

what Vance said or Marco

16:14

Rubio said about he called

16:17

him like he could I

16:19

think Rubio called him a

16:21

fascist. I mean there's almost

16:23

no one in the administration

16:25

who Wasn't who

16:27

didn't say these things of Trump.

16:29

It was obviously something more than

16:31

that, right? I mean it was

16:33

obviously just Laura Loomer's insight from

16:35

a national security perspective and Now

16:37

we don't have a national security

16:39

advisor apparently Susie Wiles didn't like

16:42

him either but I like got

16:44

to think, is that the thing

16:46

that pushed Trump over the edge

16:48

some mild criticism of him? I

16:50

mean, maybe he said what he's

16:52

so degraded, maybe he forgot about

16:54

little Marco and like J .D.

16:56

Vance delivered him the bag. I

16:58

don't know. I don't know why

17:00

I'm trying to make sense of

17:02

his mind. It's impossible. He's insane.

17:04

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17:07

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23:32

impressive what you've been able to do

23:34

over there in such a short amount

23:36

of time so congratulations particularly in this

23:39

environment but really in any type of

23:41

media environment it's been really incredibly impressive

23:44

Thank you so much, Sam. That means a

23:46

lot, especially coming from you. You were one

23:48

of the early adopters of independent journalism and

23:50

alternative media and standing up to quote -unquote

23:53

MSM. So I feel very honored to get

23:55

that praise from you. We are a year

23:57

old and it's amazing that we've managed to

23:59

pull off a year. If you'd asked me

24:01

a year ago, would we still be around

24:04

a year from now? We are. We're growing.

24:06

We're expanding. We've got a big new documentary

24:08

coming out next week. We're on a world

24:10

tour, a live city tour. We were in

24:13

London. We're going to be in LA and

24:15

Toronto, New York, Washington, DC. So we're celebrating

24:17

our year, but look a tough time for

24:19

the media right now We have a president

24:21

and a government that is openly anti First

24:24

Amendment free speech and the media so you

24:26

know, we're celebrating but we're also cautious about

24:28

the future Yeah, and then speaking of that

24:30

president we're You know, I don't know there

24:32

seems to be some controversy at least in

24:35

my head as to when the hundred first

24:37

hundred days is but then but then I

24:39

don't care I mean it really is just

24:41

a made -up Measure, but this is like

24:44

a measure where everybody checks in and I

24:46

know broadly speaking. What's your sense of

24:48

this first hundred days? Hard

24:52

to answer that question because on the one hand

24:54

when Trump as he said on ABC News Well

24:57

people voted for this. This is what they wanted

24:59

He's got a point like he's done a lot

25:01

of the stuff that he said he would do

25:03

he said he would do tariffs and go after

25:06

China He has done that. He said he would

25:08

close the border and end the right to asylum.

25:10

He's done that he You know, he said he

25:12

said he would go after journalists and he would

25:14

go after higher education and he's done all of

25:17

that government bureaucrats We've done that, right? Whether we

25:19

like it or not, whether we agree with it

25:21

or not. Now, at the same time, it's been

25:23

a crazy hundred days where he's just unrolled things

25:25

that no one voted for, right? Not even his

25:28

base. His base did not vote for a first

25:30

quarter of negative growth or a prospect of a

25:32

recession. They didn't vote for their 401Ks being decimated.

25:35

They didn't vote for threats of

25:37

war with Denmark, Panama, and Iran.

25:40

This was supposed to be the anti -war president.

25:43

They didn't vote for a lot of this

25:45

stuff. They certainly didn't vote for green card

25:47

holders, permanent legal residents to be detained and

25:49

almost deported, or US citizen children, as we've

25:51

seen, basically kidnapped and removed from their own

25:53

country, a four -year -old with cancer, as

25:56

happened last week. So none of that was

25:58

on the ballot box for sure. So

26:00

look, the one thing giving me some

26:03

hope is that the American people have

26:05

turned quite quickly against him, quicker than

26:07

against any previous president in their 100

26:09

days. He's the most unpopular president at

26:12

this point in the 100 day cycle.

26:14

He's had the worst stock market performance for

26:17

100 days, going back to Richard Nixon. He's

26:19

underwater, not just on the economy

26:21

in terms of polling, which is an issue he

26:23

let on, but on immigration too, which was supposed

26:25

to be his secret weapon and the Democrats Achilles

26:27

heel, not quite. Well, those

26:29

immigration numbers, that's news to some

26:31

Democrats like Chuck Schumer, who would

26:33

rather focus on the car tax

26:36

that is really affecting the suburbanites

26:38

that he's so covet. I

26:40

mean, what has been your reaction, Mehdi,

26:43

to seeing this, what did you

26:45

say, Sam? Hell no! Hell no!

26:48

This, like, split between the Democrats

26:50

and, I mean, Slotkin, I would

26:52

say, and Schumer are on this

26:55

side of just kitchen table issues.

26:57

They never identify what the kitchen

26:59

table issues are. They just say,

27:01

we shouldn't be talking about trans

27:04

people and immigration, but it appears

27:06

that the Kilmar -Brigel Garcia case

27:08

in particular has hurt Donald Trump

27:11

in polling just as much as

27:13

inflation and cost of living and

27:15

the tariffs, which were now beginning

27:17

to see the effects of. There

27:20

was like an article in CNN

27:22

about how Trump last night allowed

27:24

the de minimis exemption on goods

27:26

under $800 to expire. And

27:29

there was a statin that nearly

27:31

50 % of de minimis packages

27:33

are shipped to the poorest counties

27:35

in the entire country. They're

27:38

going to start to feel those

27:40

effects. the immigration stuff,

27:42

that's clearly a major part of what's

27:45

driving his approval rating falling apart. So

27:47

yeah, let's just take both of those issues.

27:49

Very interesting immigration in the economy, how Democrats

27:52

approach, because he's underwater on both. And these

27:54

are, I will remind your viewers, two issues

27:56

he is consistently led on when he was

27:58

in opposition, when he was in power, as

28:00

frustrating as I find it, he's led on the economy,

28:03

even though he has no economic policy to talk of.

28:06

And yet look at immigration. where, yes, he's

28:08

doing, you know, people love his border security,

28:10

but Kilmah -Brigo Garcia was the single most

28:12

unpopular issue that the New York Times -Sienna

28:14

poll found him on just a couple of

28:16

weeks ago. And Democrats were saying, oh, no,

28:18

we should stay away from this. Republicans were

28:20

like, it's an 80 -20 issue. Democrats are

28:23

on the wrong side. Yet Chris Van Hollen

28:25

had the guts to go out there. Maxwell

28:27

Frost went out there. Other Democrats made a

28:29

song and dance. Peter Welch of Vermont went

28:31

and visited Mossam -Medavi in prison before he

28:33

was released this week, right? And there were

28:35

other Democrats just cowering in that

28:38

classic defensive posture saying we can't win on this

28:40

issue These are unpopular people actually turns out the

28:42

American people are outraged when you tell them what

28:44

is going on when their rights and due process

28:46

of being undermined and the Supreme Court 9 to

28:49

0 is being ignored so Democrats can lead on

28:51

that issue the other issue Emma that you mentioned

28:53

which is you know kitchen table issues Ironically, that's

28:55

an issue where Democrats don't actually need to say

28:58

much Because you don't need Democrats

29:00

to tell you that you're hurting or that

29:02

prices are up. You can see that on

29:04

your own. You don't actually need Democrats to

29:06

do that much. Donald Trump's doing all the

29:08

damage to himself. These are all self -inflicted

29:10

wounds. He inherited a very strong economy with

29:12

2 .4 % growth in the last quarter

29:15

of 2024. And now he gave

29:17

us minus 0 .3 % in the first

29:19

quarter of 2025. And then he says

29:21

dumb shit. Like, I don't know if you saw him

29:23

this week in the Oval Office saying, well, if they

29:25

have 30 dolls, they can have two dolls and they

29:28

can pay a couple bucks more for it. First of

29:30

all, who is Trump hanging out with other than Baron,

29:32

who has 30 dolls, right? I have two kids. I

29:35

have two kids. They do not have 30

29:37

dolls. And if they do... outraged about I'm

29:39

gonna go double -check, but I'm pretty sure

29:41

I didn't buy them $30. Certainly not in

29:44

one go for a couple of bucks more

29:46

So this is just this ridiculous stance that

29:48

he's taken where he's completely out of touch

29:50

with the American people and his own base

29:52

on some of this stuff So I actually

29:55

think it's the reverse of the kind of

29:57

slot consumer as you think the economy takes

29:59

care of itself right now And they should

30:01

focus on the due process the Supreme Court

30:03

the American citizens Children by the way, the

30:06

Republican Party claims to be the anti -child

30:08

trafficking party. They are literally trafficking American citizen

30:10

children out of this country to Honduras, insane,

30:12

a child with cancer. I

30:15

couldn't agree more, particularly about

30:17

those, you know, the two

30:19

sequencing and how, I

30:22

mean, on some

30:24

level, what Van

30:26

Hollen and Frost and et al.

30:28

have shown is that you can

30:31

take an issue like this, and

30:33

particularly when it's so egregious, and

30:36

change that polling i mean that's

30:38

the the thing that that that

30:40

democrats seem to be allergic to

30:42

it you know i don't know

30:44

if it's a function of the

30:46

consultant class or what not but

30:48

i mean how how big you

30:50

know that there are uh... this

30:52

is a target rich environment as

30:54

they say let's place clip of

30:56

steven miller in the uh... uh...

30:58

i don't know where he was

31:00

yesterday was a white house briefing

31:02

room yeah in this instance he's

31:04

He is Kyron or labeled the

31:06

Homeland Security Advisor. He seems to

31:08

be the advisor on just about

31:10

everything with Donald Trump. He really

31:12

does seem to be the number,

31:15

you know, really the number two

31:17

guy. You know, I'm sure there's

31:19

some type of like, wiles and

31:21

he are, you know, both seem

31:23

to have access to the White

31:25

House at any time of the

31:27

day. I mean, I should say

31:29

the Oval Office. Here is Stephen

31:31

Miller. Most of your papers

31:33

never covered her story when it happened. To

31:35

the extent that you covered it at all,

31:38

it was because President Trump forced

31:40

you to cover it by highlighting

31:42

it repeatedly over and over again.

31:44

He had to shame you into

31:46

covering it. And each and

31:48

every one of you decides over and over

31:51

again with these MS -13 terrorists To the

31:53

extent that you have the financial means to

31:55

do so, you all choose to live in

31:57

condos or homes or houses as far away

32:00

from these kinds of gangbangers as you possibly

32:02

can. If I offered any one of you

32:04

a rent -free home with no taxes to

32:06

pay in any of these gang neighborhoods, and

32:09

I said your neighbors are M .S. 13

32:11

terrorists or Mexican mafia or Sinaloa cartel or

32:13

train derogue, I couldn't pay you to live

32:15

there, but yet you with your coverage are

32:18

trying to force innocent Americans to have these

32:20

people as their neighbors. and that one day

32:22

their daughter may be abducted from their home

32:24

and raped and murdered. So you're not going

32:27

to get an ounce of sympathy from this

32:29

administration or President Trump for the terrorists who've

32:31

invaded our homes and our country. You

32:34

know what's amazing to me about,

32:36

I mean just aside from how

32:39

sort of fascist he is, but

32:41

this whole thing where

32:43

we have terrorist cells

32:45

in the country, an

32:48

invading army, and

32:51

We haven't had one

32:53

shootout yet with ICE

32:56

officials and these invading

32:58

terrorists. It's because

33:01

of the wokeness, the wokeness under Biden.

33:03

They prevented that kind of thing from

33:05

happening, right? They took all the guns

33:07

away. Somebody said that recently. One of

33:09

the many innocent people whose homes were

33:11

raided recently said, what if I had

33:13

had a gun? These ICE people are

33:15

turning up with no ID, their faces

33:17

behind masks, grabbing people on the streets,

33:20

grabbing people outside churches, grabbing people in

33:22

courthouses. It is amazing that no one

33:24

has actually pulled a gun in the United States

33:26

of America. This is the don't tread on me

33:28

party, the right to bear arms, the Second Amendment

33:30

folks, the stand your ground

33:32

people in Florida. If somebody

33:34

comes up to you in the street and

33:37

just Perhaps you would know ID. Why wouldn't

33:39

you defend yourself by any means necessary? It's

33:41

amazing. Thank God we've avoided that. But yes,

33:43

as you point out, if these really were

33:45

all gangbangers and terrorists, when they put up

33:47

a fight, when they're being deported rather than,

33:49

for example, that horrifying video of the Turkish

33:51

student in Massachusetts, who's picked up by a

33:54

group of masked men and is just screaming

33:56

and crying because she's a young woman being

33:58

pulled off the street in the middle of

34:00

Ramadan, right? That is who they're pulling off

34:02

the streets. These cowards and masks. So you're

34:04

right. It is insane. Stephen Miller is a

34:06

liar. He's a white supremacist. He's he's the

34:08

worst kind of white supremacist. He's a Jewish

34:11

white supremacist his own family have disowned him

34:13

right his Jewish family's uncle famously rep he's

34:15

saying Stephen Miller We all can't stand you

34:17

and our family wouldn't be in the US

34:19

if people are brought in the kind of

34:21

immigration laws you want When he talks about

34:23

living in areas with gang members and terrorists

34:25

Well, why don't they go find these areas

34:28

because they don't seem to be able to

34:30

find any trend or Agua people the people

34:32

they sent to El Salvador vast majority of

34:34

them were not gang members or trend or

34:36

Agua and by the way a Trump judge

34:38

in Texas Just this week said there's no

34:40

invasion like the whole premise of the alien

34:42

enemies act 1798 that miller invoked his miller's

34:45

idea He's he's the guy who talked about

34:47

it in opera in you know during the

34:49

campaign and they've now implemented it Was that

34:51

there is an invasion by a foreign power?

34:53

No one believes that trend Orague is part

34:55

of the Venezuelan government u .s. Intelligence internally

34:57

told the state department. It's not part of

34:59

the Venezuelan government There is no invasion by

35:02

any commonly understood definition of the term certainly

35:04

not a legal one so a trump judge

35:06

has thrown out the idea of using the

35:08

alien enemies at. But look, Miller was a

35:10

crazy, kooky, gadfly working for Jeff Sessions on

35:12

the Hill. He used to get ignored by

35:14

other Republican staffers who thought he was a

35:16

weirdo. And now, as you say, Sam, he's

35:19

the second most powerful person in the White

35:21

House. He's basically running all policy as deputy

35:23

chief of staff. He's coming up with these

35:25

ideas. He's filling Trump's head with nonsense, right?

35:27

Trump's head is already filled with nonsense. But

35:29

when you see Trump on ABC saying, They

35:31

had MS -13 written on his knuckles that

35:33

came from Miller, surely. When he

35:36

says, oh, my people told me that I won

35:38

at the Supreme Court, not lost, that's Stephen Miller.

35:41

We saw him on camera. I think making

35:43

that argument in like some type of like

35:45

press gaggle where he announces it in nobody

35:47

in the Oval Office Yeah, in the Oval

35:49

Office and nobody says what wait a second.

35:51

What are you talking about? Why don't Democrats

35:53

go big on Miller like if I will

35:55

talk about messaging if I'm a Democrat I

35:57

would do all my ad campaign around the

35:59

real shadow president this freak just play ads

36:01

of him speaking no serious American no independent

36:03

voter no moderate conservative looks of Stephen Miller

36:05

and thinks that's a normal dude and if

36:07

you remember in the first term SNL did

36:09

that great parody ongoing about Steve Bannon being

36:11

the real president and Donald Trump as Alec

36:13

Baldwin sitting at the kitty table. Trump went

36:15

nuts and fired Bannon. I think they need

36:17

to do the same thing with Miller, that

36:19

Miller is the real president and Trump is

36:21

just his puppet. Well,

36:23

I mean, I think, you

36:25

know, because in part two,

36:27

I would say is because

36:29

Musk, who had been sort

36:31

of the first lightning rod

36:33

of the administration seems to

36:35

be you know, stepping back

36:37

because he's a special advisor

36:39

and also because he has,

36:41

I think, completely effed

36:44

up even the plan

36:46

of his cohorts. I

36:49

mean, I think it

36:51

was, you know, he was claiming

36:53

that he had $150 billion worth

36:55

of savings. This is not cuts,

36:57

incidentally, savings that are projected in

37:00

2026. And some conservative think tank

37:02

came out and said it's actually

37:04

closer like five billion so we've

37:06

gone from two trillion dollars of

37:08

fraud and waste to 1 .5

37:11

Down to a six hundred billion

37:13

down to a hundred and fifty

37:15

billion dollars in savings not fraud

37:17

and waste down to five billion

37:19

in but in the meantime he's

37:21

wreaked complete havoc now and i'm

37:24

curious from a twenty five million

37:26

people might die in the next

37:28

fifteen years according to the lancer

37:30

because of his cuts to u

37:32

.s. aid and i mean let's

37:35

also be clear in terms of

37:37

like what the implications are going

37:39

to be for. things

37:41

like NIH grants and and research

37:43

grant. I mean, this is stuff

37:45

that's going to ripple through. This

37:47

is like that, you know, Bruce

37:49

Lee kidney punch where three weeks

37:51

later you die. And

37:53

you don't realize I mean, this is going to have

37:55

ripple effects. What do you

37:58

make of the in there? Like,

38:00

we're now going to about to

38:02

it seems to me go into

38:04

phase two. If

38:07

you had folks like Russell vote. with

38:09

the plan of project 2025, which he

38:11

had been developing over the past like

38:13

really three or four years. And

38:16

all of the Schedule F stuff that

38:18

they even attempted to do at the

38:20

end of the first Trump administration, he

38:22

was unable in many respects to implement

38:24

that at first because Doge got in

38:26

the way. The

38:28

Doge process has been basically just

38:30

annihilated by the courts. And now

38:33

we're about to go into the,

38:35

it seems to me, the reduction

38:37

in force process that a vote

38:40

had been working on, that I

38:42

imagine is a lot more thought

38:44

out in terms of where legal

38:47

challenges would come from. Yes,

38:50

I agree with that. I think Russell vote is

38:52

a much smarter or more dangerous enemy of liberalism

38:54

and social democracy and the government apparatus as we

38:56

know it He has been planning it for years.

38:58

He is a smart guy who was head of

39:01

office of management and budget in the first term

39:03

He led the you know, he was one of

39:05

the brains behind project 2025 he's caught on camera

39:07

talking about how they've tested stuff with the courts

39:10

Right down to even putting military on the streets.

39:12

I mean Russell is the guy who was on

39:14

tape talking about well We've advised President Trump what

39:16

he could do with the military. So it is

39:18

much more dangerous than this ridiculous Elon Musk who

39:21

has screwed up both his doge and Tesla by

39:23

the way while he's been busy doing doge his

39:25

own Tesla board according to Wall Street Journal We're

39:27

trying to head hunt a replacement for him. You've

39:30

got all these ridiculous kids He employed I don't

39:32

know if you saw Jesse Waters on Fox did

39:34

a puff piece last night Where they all sat

39:36

around the table with big balls or whatever his

39:38

name is and all the rest of these children

39:41

and bragged about how much they've done They've done

39:43

nothing as you just pointed out with the numbers

39:45

the whole thing is a ruse is a distraction

39:47

Musk turned up at the cabinet wearing two hats

39:50

make a joke about how many hats he has.

39:52

He's literally the unfunniest man I've ever come across

39:54

in my adult life. Like, whatever you think about

39:56

Donald Trump, I will admit right here on Live

39:58

TV, I've laughed occasionally when Donald Trump has said

40:01

things, right? I've never laughed or smiled at anything

40:03

Elon Musk has ever said. He's so desperate to

40:05

be the cool kid, to get the affection, to

40:07

get the... He's got none of it. He's just

40:10

a complete, charisma -free, unfunny, narcissist. He

40:12

did legalize comedy again though so that

40:14

was good. Until

40:17

he then shadow banned all the accounts who criticized

40:19

him just on the on the doge thing by

40:21

the way. Like it's so important to point out

40:23

to go back to your first question about the

40:25

hundred days. Jonathan Shay wrote a piece for the

40:27

Atlantic in which he made the very valid point

40:30

that compared to FDR. Who invented

40:32

the whole hundred day concept and did so

40:34

much legislating in the first hundred days trump

40:36

has passed. no real bills or acts of

40:38

any consequence. He's passed fewer laws than he

40:40

passed in his own first hundred days in

40:43

2017. But that's not really

40:45

the point, right? Trump is not about

40:47

legislating. He's about executive ordering. He's

40:50

about doging. He's about

40:52

court ignoring. And in

40:54

that sense, the first hundred days have been

40:56

hugely consequential. They have been hugely destructive. And

40:58

you make a very valid point. Can you

41:00

undo? Some of the stuff, the damage they've

41:02

done to our scientific base, our public health,

41:04

the NIH, maybe that can't be undone at

41:06

this point. The damage they've done to USAID,

41:08

I doubt the Democrats are going to come

41:10

back and rebuild our aid budget from scratch.

41:13

I wish but I doubt they'll do that.

41:15

So some of the damage that they're doing,

41:17

they know they've moved that over to the

41:19

window very quickly in the hundred days to

41:21

a point where even if they lose the

41:23

next election, if we have a free and

41:25

fair election, is the next Democratic president going

41:27

to come in and make one of his

41:29

priorities rebuilding some of these kind of unsexy,

41:31

unfashionable areas of public life that they have

41:33

just decimated? And I think that's what they've

41:35

cynically realized to be true. It's much easier

41:37

to break than it is to build, and

41:40

this is how Republicans have operated.

41:42

They're just doing it at an

41:45

even more breakneck speed. And it's

41:47

also an example of how liberalism

41:49

has been incapable of responding to

41:51

fascism, because oftentimes liberalism is about

41:53

maintaining our institutions. And when you

41:55

get a Republican that comes in

41:57

and breaks it, The baseline of

41:59

maintenance keeps going down and then

42:02

we're at this like complete corroded

42:04

period where you can have fascist

42:06

take advantage of it. And there's

42:08

this eugenicist thrust that is perhaps

42:10

the most disturbing piece of this

42:12

administration when you mention how many

42:14

people are going to die because

42:16

with those USAID cuts. The

42:19

RFK junior and the gutting of

42:21

the research funding also has eugenicists

42:23

aims domestically. Towards people with disabilities

42:26

and disease where rfk junior will

42:28

have this like faux sympathy towards

42:30

those kinds of people But you

42:32

look just like that. It's very

42:34

right underneath the surface the disgust

42:37

for people with autism the Disgust

42:39

for people with disabilities and the

42:41

idea that like if you can't

42:43

solve it with your personal consumption

42:45

choices and buy my supplements Then

42:47

it's survival of the fittest and

42:50

that's part of what I think

42:52

the ramifications are going to be

42:54

over the next four years and

42:56

beyond I mean Donald Trump

42:58

has talked about his obsession with genes, right?

43:01

That's on the record for many, many, many

43:03

years. He's obsessed with good genes and his

43:05

own genes, which I don't think are so

43:07

good. It's so funny when you talk about

43:09

survival of the fittest, and yet the MAGA

43:11

base is a very unfit, very ill base.

43:14

If you look at any of the areas

43:16

where Trump is strongest, there are places that

43:18

are beset by obesity and diabetes and ill

43:20

health and lack of access to healthcare. So

43:23

it's like COVID, Emma, all over again,

43:25

where the study showed the disproportionately Republican

43:27

voters died at disproportionately higher rates than

43:29

Democratic voters because they believed the bullshit

43:31

about not taking vaccines, not wearing masks,

43:34

not socially distancing. So they were killing

43:36

off parts of their own base, which

43:38

was insane, but they did it. So

43:41

yes, I mean, look, they don't give a shit.

43:43

I mean, the fundamental premise of everything

43:45

Donald Trump does is he does not give a

43:47

shit. That is the framing of all our conversations.

43:49

He only cares about himself. His family are doing

43:52

a new crypto deal, I believe, in the United

43:54

Arab Emirates. They're doing another deal in Qatar. They're

43:56

doing deals all over the place. He's

43:58

about enriching himself, keeping himself out of prison

44:01

and taking revenge against his enemies. I mean,

44:03

there's no 4D chess here. Let's just be

44:05

clear about that. Not from a Trump perspective.

44:07

Forget Russ vote. I'm talking about Trump. I

44:10

mean, on some level, though, because

44:13

you make the last night the

44:15

the minimus tariffs kick back in

44:17

from china that is going to

44:19

hit low income people the most

44:21

i think it was like emma

44:23

had said earlier it was like

44:25

i don't know 45 percent of

44:27

those 48 percent yeah yeah people

44:29

and then about 22 percent higher

44:31

income but uh the the economy

44:33

there's havoc is being wreaked in

44:35

the economy i mean it's just

44:38

no other way to visit like

44:40

there's no It's

44:44

all anecdotal at this point, except for,

44:46

of course, the negative growth, which is

44:48

clear. That shows people

44:51

panicking, buying early. The story that

44:53

comes out today in Rolling Stone

44:55

about the White House, people working

44:58

there hoarding toilet paper because they're

45:00

anticipating potential supply shocks. We'll

45:03

have a better sense of this, I

45:05

think, in the next two to six

45:07

weeks. This

45:11

is where things could go really sideways and

45:13

we have the first person fired from the

45:15

administration granted it was because Laura Loomer said

45:18

so. But there also must be some pressure

45:20

there too. So like it feels

45:22

like we may be on the precipice of

45:24

just yes. Which is

45:26

going to make folks like Russell vote

45:29

be much more aggressive it seems to

45:31

me like a cornered rat type of

45:33

mentality. To borrow a line from

45:35

the late Donald Romsfeld. It's a known unknown, right?

45:37

We know that there's some shit coming down the

45:39

track especially in relation to the economy Because he's

45:42

done such crazy stuff. We don't quite know what

45:44

it is We don't know what the repercussions will

45:46

be and how they'll play out I mean Donald

45:48

Trump could be remembered as the first president not

45:50

just to be impeached twice but to deprive of

45:53

us toilet paper twice And that would be quite

45:55

a legendary achievement for himself if that's what we

45:57

end up with panic buying and empty shelves Yeah,

45:59

look, it's gonna be fascinating to see a kind

46:01

of marry Antoine let them eat bread let them

46:04

buy two dolls, not 30 as people panicked by

46:06

over, I don't know, for the July weekend or

46:08

when we hit Christmas and there are no toys

46:10

because every toy company says they're going to go

46:12

bust. It'll be fascinating to see how

46:15

Trump, you know, the man who lives in a

46:17

golden apartment in New York, how he reacts to

46:19

this kind of self -inflicted recession. Now, they're going

46:21

to blame Biden. He's already said that even quarter

46:23

two of growth, he's going to blame on Joe

46:25

Biden, which is a blazing because A year ago

46:27

when the stock market was doing very well, he

46:30

said it's my stock market. It's a Trump stock

46:32

market, not Biden. But when he's actually president and

46:34

the stock market is collapsing, it's Biden's stock market.

46:36

So I think even the thickest members, the dumbest

46:38

members of the MAGA cult, surely we'll see through

46:40

that at some point. Maybe I'm being crazy, but

46:43

you're right. There is a lot of stuff coming

46:45

down the track at home. And abroad. I mean,

46:47

there's a lot of pressure. You saw the Hexeth

46:49

tweet this week about attacking Iran. I mean, this

46:51

was supposed to be the anti -war president. The

46:53

guy who went to Michigan and said, don't vote

46:56

for Harris and Cheney. They'll kill lots of Muslims.

46:58

I'm the anti -war guy. And here he is

47:00

threatening Iran to be bombed like it's never been

47:02

bombed before. The Mike Waltz

47:04

shift was supposed to be, oh, the

47:06

neocon guy. But look. Guess who's running

47:08

all foreign policy now in the administration?

47:10

Marco Rubio. I think he's got like

47:12

four jobs right now. Secretary of State,

47:14

National Security Advisor, Acting Administrative USAID and

47:16

National Archivist. So this is Rubio, the

47:18

guy who once mocked Donald Trump's manhood,

47:21

called him a con man. He is

47:23

now basically the guy with all this.

47:25

And we know that Rubio is a

47:27

hawk. Yep.

47:30

100%. I mean, this is, I don't

47:32

know. This is

47:34

I think an administration where you

47:37

know day 200 is gonna be

47:39

is gonna be far more telling

47:41

I think than where we are

47:43

now and I think it's gonna

47:45

go in a couple of different

47:47

directions the national economy may go

47:50

south but Trump's family economy I

47:52

think is gonna do quite well.

47:54

I think this is gonna be

47:56

a we're gonna see like the

47:58

mentality of Everybody get into the

48:00

getaway car because I think they're

48:02

gonna realize by it by next

48:05

fall, they're going

48:07

to lose the house, you know,

48:09

by all accounts. But I

48:11

think that the cornered rat line that you use

48:13

is an important one because Too

48:15

often on the left, there is this thought that

48:17

when the economy goes badly, when people are suffering,

48:20

they will turn towards the left. That was the

48:22

theory after the financial crash in 08. In fact,

48:24

we saw over the next decade the far -right

48:26

benefit across the Western world. And that is a

48:29

slight problem, right, for the left, especially the non

48:31

-populist left. And I think that is, you know,

48:33

if we get into a severe recession now, you

48:35

could be like, oh, Democrats will benefit. Oh, they

48:37

win the midterms. Actually, you could see Trump doubling

48:40

down on all sorts of vile messaging that, you

48:42

know, that enables him to deal with economic repercussions.

48:45

The Republicans are the masters of culture wars

48:47

of distraction from economic issues. You saw the

48:49

story this week that they're looking at options

48:51

to try and redefine gang members in the

48:54

U .S. as enemy combatants who can be

48:56

detained in the U .S. without due process.

48:58

Forget sending them to El Salvador. You will

49:00

see more and more of those trial balloons

49:02

floated in terms of civil liberties, in terms

49:04

of restricting the right to protest, in terms

49:06

of the government having the ability to round

49:09

up people. You saw Sebastian Gorka, the Director

49:11

of National Counterterrorism at the White House, Ludacris

49:14

He did an interview recently where he

49:16

said if you are speaking out in

49:18

favor of Hamas you we could charge

49:20

you with aiding and abetting terrorism Like

49:22

this is a very slippery slope from

49:24

picking up pro -Palestinian foreign students to

49:26

going after American citizens as terrorists I

49:28

mean, this is George Bush Dick Cheney

49:30

John Ashcroft on steroids. Yeah,

49:32

Betty Hassan Editor -in -Chief,

49:34

CEO of Zitao News. Again,

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congratulations for the work you guys are

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work at Zitao. Really incredible Thank you,

49:46

Zitao. And I appreciate you coming on

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today. Thanks so much, buddy. Appreciate it.

49:52

All right, folks. Emma's

49:55

going to take over from here. Say hi to Matt

49:57

for me. I will. Don't forget that

49:59

you've been around when Matt Leib is come on. Well,

50:02

we yes, it's too many too

50:04

many Jews the quota goes over

50:07

exactly We have to push a

50:09

one one out when the next

50:11

one comes in all right folks.

50:13

I'll see you on Monday Emma

50:16

back to you All right folks.

50:18

Yes, happy weekend to Sam Let's

50:20

read some I am well, I

50:22

just can't even I just can't

50:25

even It's

50:27

actually confused by older Jewish women said,

50:29

did you guys see the New York

50:31

magazine piece about John Fetterman? Yes, we

50:33

did. We are hopefully going to be

50:35

talking about that with with Matt in

50:37

just a second. He's

50:40

going to be joining us soon. We'll

50:43

read some IMS to that up to

50:45

that point. Dobby

50:49

Juan, how much amphetamine do you think Stephen

50:51

Miller takes before his press appearances? Where do

50:53

I get the free house? That sounds awesome,

50:55

but I'd be concerned about police raids for

50:58

no reason. I

51:00

have no idea. He

51:02

kind of has the crazy...

51:04

I don't get the sense

51:06

that he's jacked up on

51:09

anything except fascism. Again,

51:11

he reminds me of the... kid

51:13

who filmed himself talking about how

51:15

much women don't get him and

51:17

then shot up a school. That's

51:20

the energy he has. Exactly. It's

51:22

not party drug energy. Right. Fabulous.

51:25

Eric Prince, Blackwater CEO, is the brainchild

51:28

of El Salvador prisons as one of

51:30

the largest military contractors, no wonder Slock

51:32

and an ex CIA agent is trying

51:35

to distract from the deportations. I think

51:37

that's a very astute point. But

51:40

we do have Matt, so let's just take a quick

51:42

break. And when we come back, we'll be joined by

51:44

Matt Leib. We

52:29

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yourself. So

55:19

big story this morning

55:22

about our favorite. I

55:25

don't know my top pick for

55:27

the live action Shrek. John

55:31

Federman. Yes, my

55:33

favorite professional wrestler turned.

55:36

Senator I don't know what he

55:38

did before he was a senator.

55:41

I just assumed he was a

55:43

professional wrestler And then I was

55:45

told no, he's just some Harvard

55:47

guy Yeah, just a Harvard guy

55:49

who we uh now lessons learned

55:52

perhaps if we have candidates who

55:54

have a history of like Chasing

55:56

down somebody with a gun and

55:58

perhaps it's racially motivated that Sometimes

56:01

those aren't one -offs. Yeah.

56:04

Those situations can't be

56:06

explained. Yeah, egg on

56:08

my face. Right. I

56:10

looked at him and I was just

56:12

like, yeah, that's what we need. We

56:14

need, you know, just a six foot

56:16

eight white guy who just had a

56:18

stroke to finally, you know, get that

56:21

get that MAGA crowd to start, you

56:23

know, seeing some some sense, you know,

56:25

and then and then he just started.

56:27

doing MAGA talking points. I was like,

56:29

oh, that actually makes more sense. That

56:32

makes more sense that he is just

56:34

that guy. And what's fun about Federman

56:36

is that all of this usual suspects

56:38

had decided preemptively. Well, maybe not preemptively,

56:41

but once he started going down the

56:43

I'm Uh, the Zionism is the most

56:45

important thing ever to me down that

56:47

road. Uh, there was a class of

56:50

Democrats that said, this is the kind

56:52

of populace that need Democrats. Yeah.

56:55

This is the kind of populace, the

56:58

one who's, who's going to take really

57:00

unpopular positions in both his party and,

57:02

you know, I think more so, uh,

57:04

it's happening more and more in the

57:06

Republican party. Well, Iglesias is a popularist,

57:09

right? So he's always says you got

57:11

to just respond to the polling as

57:13

a Democrat. But they ignore things like

57:15

Israel, where a majority of Democrats, it's

57:17

not close, now have negative feelings about

57:20

it. And also, like ignores the fact

57:22

that you can have agency over public

57:24

opinion as a politician by using the

57:26

bully pulpit. That's kind of important. That's

57:29

like the whole point is that's

57:31

why it's to be a leader

57:33

is is when you lead, right?

57:35

Right. And that in that the

57:37

whole thing. they don't like doing

57:39

politics they're resentful of it but

57:41

it was this these people said

57:43

this like two years after they

57:46

had declared eric adams is the

57:48

future of the tough on crime

57:50

democrat can we maybe cut like

57:52

they they care about what's popular

57:54

with donors right right right you

57:56

know right go ahead i mean

57:58

sure but also you know what's

58:00

what's popular with donors and other

58:02

people who are sucking on

58:04

the teat of those donors. And I think

58:06

you forget that that's a class of people.

58:10

Yeah, stop ignoring them. Don't erase

58:12

them. Don't erase them. Those are

58:14

workers. Those are part

58:16

of the revolution is the people who

58:18

are going to be actively serving the,

58:20

you know, the moneyed class. Would

58:23

you hide them? Would you

58:25

hide them? Would you hide all of

58:27

the personal assistance of the oligarchy? I

58:32

would. And so that's how,

58:34

you know, on

58:37

the right side of history here. So

58:40

Fetterman was sitting, all

58:42

right, like this article is kind of sad.

58:45

Spoiler alert, he's lost his mind

58:47

after having a stroke, but... This

58:49

is of some someone who was

58:52

saw him the summer mob at

58:54

S. U. M. E. R. M.

58:56

O. B. on Twitter or Instagram.

58:58

Good job. Summer mob spotted Fetterman

59:00

in public the other day. And

59:02

this is how that went down.

59:06

Senator, you still feel that Israel has

59:08

the right to kill and kill and

59:10

kill people? You

59:12

still think Israel has rights to

59:14

defend itself still? When

59:17

is enough enough, Senator? I

59:20

don't know why you're harassing me. That's not

59:23

harassment. You're a senator, right? I saw you

59:25

coming and I assumed you were going to

59:27

come over. I mean, you work for the

59:29

people, right? You're supposed to, you're

59:31

in these halls for the people. I'm just

59:34

sitting here on a bench. Right. And

59:36

my people are being slaughtered because

59:38

of your votes and the money

59:40

that you sent to Israel and

59:42

your complicity and genocide. You

59:47

have nothing to say about that. Over

59:50

100 ,000 Palestinians have

59:52

been slaughtered. How

59:54

do you sleep at night, Senator? We're

59:58

not adding those crickets. Seriously. How

1:00:01

do you sleep at night? Do you not

1:00:03

see the videos and the just the children

1:00:05

that are being slaughtered out there? I

1:00:08

don't have anything to say. You don't have anything

1:00:10

to say? Of course not. I'm just sitting on

1:00:13

a bench because APAC pays you way too much

1:00:15

money to say anything to be a human being.

1:00:18

Yeah. What a

1:00:20

shame what a shame you do

1:00:23

not deserve the position that you

1:00:25

have at all Shame on you

1:00:27

for being complicit in genocide shame

1:00:29

on you agree you do it

1:00:31

100 % this should be the

1:00:33

standard for Anyone who is in

1:00:36

a position of power Being in

1:00:38

public the standard should be you

1:00:40

go up to them and tell

1:00:42

them what they you know what

1:00:44

they're supporting and then ask for

1:00:46

an explanation that the idea that

1:00:49

he's like i'm just listen i

1:00:51

just came out here in an

1:00:53

open field to sit on bench

1:00:55

like i do love bench love

1:00:57

to sit and think think my

1:00:59

thoughts what are they about i

1:01:01

think blood and soil doesn't matter

1:01:04

what my thoughts are i'm thinking

1:01:06

them and i would like to

1:01:08

be alone with my thoughts uh

1:01:10

yeah the idea that is like

1:01:12

and now you're harassing me in

1:01:14

this position where i'm literally sitting

1:01:17

here in public, being like,

1:01:19

oh, you know, I'm just, it looks like he's waiting

1:01:21

for a meeting. You know, he looks

1:01:23

like he's going to feed some birds and tell

1:01:25

them to, you know, start funding the IDF. Right.

1:01:29

Yeah, he it well, it also looks

1:01:31

like I don't know the this is

1:01:34

it's almost like the forest gump scene

1:01:36

of him sitting on the bench. But

1:01:38

instead, but instead, Fetterman's imagining the woman

1:01:41

asking him questions about the box of

1:01:43

chocolate. Just

1:01:47

sitting there waiting for a bus.

1:01:50

This bus is going to take me to Jerusalem.

1:01:54

We need to destroy the

1:01:56

Al Aqsa mosque and build

1:01:58

the third temple. Just on

1:02:00

a loop. Yeah, really remedial

1:02:02

for folks for a second.

1:02:04

That's a senator of our

1:02:06

nation here Yeah, the Senate

1:02:08

is one of our bodies

1:02:10

of Congress. It's supposed to

1:02:12

be the greatest deliberative body

1:02:14

on earth Does anyone watching

1:02:16

this think that they can't

1:02:18

deliberate better than that guy

1:02:20

sitting Yeah, yeah, so the

1:02:22

problem is is that I

1:02:24

want to This article

1:02:26

that just came out this morning

1:02:29

in New York Magazine is expansive

1:02:31

about John Federman, so great reporting

1:02:34

by Ben Terrace of New York

1:02:36

Magazine. I want to

1:02:38

be sympathetic because, as I'll

1:02:40

read in some of these excerpts, it's

1:02:42

abundantly clear that he has lost his

1:02:45

mind. But

1:02:47

the problem is that then perhaps he needs

1:02:49

to be removed from the Senate because he

1:02:51

is voting for genocide, but there's a lot

1:02:53

of money money interests like

1:02:56

a pack that are okay with somebody

1:02:58

who's functionally basically like braindead as long

1:03:00

as they vote to send weapons to

1:03:02

israel I think this

1:03:04

is what they they would much rather

1:03:06

have someone who's just going to you

1:03:08

know Like all they have left of

1:03:11

their brain is the lizard part. That's

1:03:13

just like eat chicken sleep You know

1:03:15

go pee pee go poo poo vote

1:03:17

for weapons for Israel like that's all

1:03:19

they really want They don't want anyone

1:03:22

who's actually gonna have any like critical

1:03:24

thinking skills or someone who is gonna

1:03:26

bend to the will of their constituents

1:03:28

because you know they want You know,

1:03:30

yeah, they want people to vote for

1:03:33

Israel that's it and I saw Zach

1:03:35

Zachary Carter say this like that now

1:03:37

there's this man with a serious mental

1:03:40

health struggles and it's now indistinguishable from

1:03:42

the bipartisan foreign policy of the United

1:03:44

States and that kind of tracks but

1:03:46

this is how this opens this piece

1:03:48

it's called all by himself over in

1:03:51

New York magazine. When John Federman was

1:03:53

released from Walter Reed Hospital in March

1:03:55

2023, Adam Gentelson, then his chief of

1:03:57

staff, was proud of his boss for

1:04:00

seeking help for what the senator's office

1:04:02

and his doctor had said was a

1:04:04

case of clinical depression. His

1:04:06

six weeks of inpatient care had

1:04:08

been the latest medical setback for

1:04:11

the Pennsylvania Democrat who had a

1:04:13

stroke mere months before being elected

1:04:15

to the U .S. Senate in

1:04:17

2022, nearly derailing his campaign against

1:04:19

Republican Mehmet Oz. But

1:04:22

a year after his release from the hospital,

1:04:24

Fetterman's behavior had so alarmed Gentelson that he

1:04:26

had resigned his position. I should say that

1:04:28

Gentelson was kind of defensive of Fetterman for

1:04:31

a while, and I remember being critical of

1:04:33

Gentelson in particular. And I'll say he's still

1:04:35

bashing the left in a way that I

1:04:37

think this... This really, I think this is

1:04:39

protecting his legacy a little bit. I wouldn't

1:04:41

have Gentleson back on this program, which he

1:04:44

has been on this program before. I wouldn't

1:04:46

have him back on this program. He need

1:04:48

to do a lot more than this in

1:04:50

my opinion. He went on the record and

1:04:52

of course there's some career self -preservation here.

1:04:55

I'm cynically grateful for this

1:04:57

information at the very least,

1:04:59

but agreed, yeah. But

1:05:02

after his release from the hospital, Fetterman's

1:05:04

behavior had so alarmed Gentelson that he

1:05:06

resigned his position. In May 2024, he

1:05:08

wrote an urgent letter to David Williamson,

1:05:11

the medical director of the traumatic brain

1:05:13

injury and a neuropsychiatry unit at Walter

1:05:15

Reed, who had overseen Fetterman's care at

1:05:17

the hospital. I think John is

1:05:19

on a bad trajectory and I'm really worried about him,

1:05:21

the email began. If things didn't

1:05:24

change, Gentelson continued, he was concerned Fetterman,

1:05:26

quote, won't be with us for much

1:05:28

longer. His 1600 word email came with

1:05:30

the subject line concerns and it contained

1:05:32

a list of them. From the seemingly

1:05:35

mundane, he eats fast food multiple times

1:05:37

a day. Okay, easy. Yeah. Well,

1:05:40

that's the mundane part. I

1:05:42

like that too, because it's just like, well, he just

1:05:44

had a stroke. that's

1:05:51

not even the worst of it him

1:05:53

actively trying to kill himself with mcdonald's

1:05:55

is not the worst of it right

1:05:57

right that's that's benign here uh... to

1:05:59

the scary we don't know if he

1:06:01

is taking his meds in his behavior

1:06:04

frequently suggest he is not We often

1:06:06

see this kind the kind of warning

1:06:08

signs we discuss. Gentelson wrote conspiratorial thinking.

1:06:11

Megalomania, for example, he claims to be the

1:06:13

most knowledgeable source on Israel and Gaza around.

1:06:15

But his sources are just what he reads

1:06:17

in the news. He declines most briefings and

1:06:20

never reads memos. High highs

1:06:22

and low lows, long rambling, repetitive

1:06:24

and self -centered monologues, lying ways

1:06:26

they're painfully awkwardly obvious to everyone

1:06:28

in the room. Federmann was,

1:06:30

according to Janselson, avoiding the regular

1:06:32

checkups advised by his doctors. He

1:06:34

was preoccupied with the social media

1:06:36

platform X, which he'd previously admitted

1:06:39

had been a major accelerant of

1:06:41

his depression. He drove his car

1:06:43

so recklessly, Janselson said, that the

1:06:45

staff refused to ride with him.

1:06:47

He had also bought a gun.

1:06:51

What? Well, I gotta get my staff

1:06:53

in the car somehow. Was

1:06:55

a black guy jogging nearby? All

1:06:58

right, it's like I didn't know

1:07:00

DC was so let's just stay

1:07:02

diverse. Right. Just stay diverse. Gotta

1:07:05

protect myself here. Another red flag

1:07:07

gentleston added every person who is

1:07:09

supposed to help him stay on

1:07:11

his recovery plan has been pushed

1:07:13

out. He damaged personal relationships, blah,

1:07:15

blah, blah. There's also stuff about

1:07:17

delusions. Just keep going. There's this.

1:07:20

I highlighted all of these different

1:07:22

parts. But,

1:07:26

you know, there's stuff where he thinks he's

1:07:28

being followed, right? Yeah. Okay,

1:07:31

let's go. Well, DSA is gangstocking. Yes. Go to,

1:07:34

if you could search members of his team and

1:07:36

the paragraph that starts from that's a little further

1:07:38

down. Members of his team told

1:07:40

me this was an early warning sign that something

1:07:42

was off with their boss. In early February 2023,

1:07:45

after Federman had indeed been sworn in, members of

1:07:47

the Senate gathered at the Library of Congress for

1:07:49

a caucus retreat. Federman fresh off

1:07:51

a hard fought victory in the Cycles Marquis

1:07:53

race should have been riding high. Only he

1:07:55

wasn't. A staffer recalled getting a text from

1:07:57

a person at the retreat saying if their

1:07:59

boss was okay. Federman was sitting

1:08:02

at a table by himself, slowly sipping

1:08:04

a coke and refusing to talk with

1:08:06

anybody. Later that

1:08:08

day, another staffer heard an alarming

1:08:10

port from a journalist. Federman had

1:08:12

just walked obliviously into the road

1:08:15

and was nearly struck by a

1:08:17

car. This

1:08:20

is amazing. This is like,

1:08:22

I don't know if you guys have ever,

1:08:24

you know, like owned a very, very old

1:08:26

dog. But there's like,

1:08:28

at some point, you're just like, what

1:08:30

is it doing? And they're like, oh,

1:08:33

it's going somewhere to die. It's

1:08:36

like why is it spending so much time in

1:08:38

that corner? Yeah, it's

1:08:41

very sad. I

1:08:43

haven't heard about anything that this is

1:08:46

like when Nixon is after the Kent

1:08:48

State. uh, uh, shootings. He

1:08:50

was like wandering around the Lincoln Memorial. I think

1:08:52

this isn't like the Oliver Stone movie, like walking

1:08:54

around with the Lincoln Memorial and got into like

1:08:56

fights with like, uh, anti -war activists, but like

1:08:59

trying to make them think he was a good

1:09:01

person. This is like,

1:09:03

Fetterman's been doing that. That was just

1:09:05

one night for Nixon. Yeah, Nixon just

1:09:08

like just Fetterman's entire time in the

1:09:10

Senate. Nixon just had some stiff drinks,

1:09:12

like that's Trump -level delusion. We're at

1:09:14

a different level with Fetterman. it's so

1:09:17

funny because it's it's like this was

1:09:19

you know like all of the incidents

1:09:21

that they're citing happened like not long

1:09:24

after he had won the election like

1:09:26

as soon as he became a senator

1:09:28

his attitude was like oh leave me

1:09:31

alone i know like you just ran

1:09:33

for this why why why you mad

1:09:35

at everyone why do you have the

1:09:38

disposition of like a teenager in a

1:09:40

in a disney original um A

1:09:43

week later, this is okay, this

1:09:45

is crazy. I'm sorry. Sherrod Brown

1:09:47

maybe helped give background on this

1:09:50

because he's named specifically. A

1:09:52

week later, Democratic Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown came

1:09:54

to pay Federman a visit in his new

1:09:56

Capitol office. They seemed destined to get along,

1:09:58

each hailed from a purplish red states and

1:10:01

exuded in every man energy more likely to

1:10:03

be found in union halls than in the

1:10:05

halls of Congress. But their

1:10:07

meeting went awry. Brown tried his best

1:10:09

to get a conversation going, but according

1:10:11

to two people present, Fetterman was virtually,

1:10:14

quote, catatonic. He could barely

1:10:16

string two sentences together, talking so quietly

1:10:18

that everyone in the room had to

1:10:20

strain to hear him. Fetterman then stood

1:10:22

up and began walking around the office

1:10:24

in tight loops. A move

1:10:26

those two saffers described as doing

1:10:29

figure eights. After Brown left... Fetterman

1:10:32

paced from one room inside his office complex

1:10:35

to another and back again. At one point

1:10:37

one of his aides said he walked into

1:10:39

the hallway peering over his shoulder as if

1:10:41

he were being followed by shadowy figures. Hamas!

1:10:45

That sort of pacing, that

1:10:48

is not a good sign. No, that's

1:10:50

pretty bad. Especially like the looking over

1:10:52

your shoulder and pacing and just being

1:10:55

like no way out, no way out.

1:10:57

That is... I mean,

1:10:59

it's clear obviously is this

1:11:01

was like, you know before

1:11:03

his hospitalization for whatever mental

1:11:05

health crisis was going on,

1:11:07

right? Yeah, and and then

1:11:09

We all celebrated him putting

1:11:11

you know his mental health

1:11:13

like forward, you know like

1:11:15

making that an issue because

1:11:17

we all said yes, we

1:11:19

need to start talking about

1:11:21

mental health and then He's

1:11:24

not a good role model for mental

1:11:26

health. It's this thing

1:11:28

where we're all like, well, you know, obviously

1:11:30

we're not trying to pain every person with

1:11:33

mental health with the same brush and also

1:11:35

it's important to talk about these things. There

1:11:37

are people who are depressed and assholes. That's

1:11:40

a thing. You know what I

1:11:42

mean? You can be clinically depressed and a dick.

1:11:44

And a dick too. And if you're going to

1:11:47

say, like, this is, this is how we do

1:11:49

it. You better be a good model for it

1:11:51

or maybe don't put yourself on that pedestal. would

1:11:53

just say, here's another section. I don't know if

1:11:55

you had this, Emma, but behind the scenes, things

1:11:57

are worse in March. Federman suddenly took an early

1:12:00

morning trip to Hartford, Connecticut without telling his team

1:12:02

why, leaving them at a loss to tell for

1:12:04

what to tell Giselle, his wife, when she demanded

1:12:06

to know why he was missing one of their

1:12:08

kids' birthdays. Federman objected

1:12:11

to this characterization, saying to

1:12:13

me, the writer, I

1:12:15

took a weekend trip in March to

1:12:17

visit the gravesite of my friend from

1:12:19

grad school who died in 1993. I

1:12:22

tripped my staff and family knew about. Yes,

1:12:25

okay. This is the

1:12:27

last piece I'll read because you

1:12:29

mentioned Giselle. And I actually

1:12:32

feel for her here because I don't

1:12:34

know what's going on. But

1:12:36

this is when October 7th happened,

1:12:39

this piece. The paragraph starts within

1:12:41

the days after the October 7th

1:12:43

attack. Israel declared

1:12:45

war on retaliation with brute force, killing

1:12:47

Hamas forces as well as thousands of

1:12:50

civilians, and the US progressives began calling

1:12:52

for a ceasefire at least to at

1:12:54

least pause the carnage. Federman felt differently.

1:12:57

Now is not the time to talk

1:12:59

about a ceasefire he posted on October

1:13:01

18th. We must support Israel in efforts

1:13:03

to eliminate Hamas terrorists who slaughtered innocent

1:13:05

men, women, and children. The

1:13:08

base, here it goes. Early on in

1:13:10

the conflict, 16 of his former campaign

1:13:12

staffers wrote a letter anonymously, saying they

1:13:15

found his full -throated support for Israel

1:13:17

to be a, quote, gutting betrayal. Gentelson

1:13:20

had been taken to defending Federmann on

1:13:22

X from such criticisms. I had

1:13:24

mentioned that earlier. But it wasn't

1:13:27

just staffers who were upset. There was

1:13:29

also Federmann's wife, Giselle, who had become

1:13:31

something of a political celebrity in her

1:13:33

own right. She is a kind -hearted

1:13:36

philanthropist. the proprietor of a free store

1:13:38

in Braddock that gave away goods and

1:13:40

clothing, a formally undocumented immigrant from Brazil

1:13:42

on a vocal progressive. In

1:13:45

early November, just weeks after the attack, Giselle

1:13:47

arrived at her husband's Senate office and according

1:13:49

to a staffer present, they got into a

1:13:51

heated argument. They are bombing refugee camps. How

1:13:54

can you support this? The staffer recalled her

1:13:56

saying with tears in her eyes. That's

1:13:58

all propaganda, Federman replied. Later,

1:14:03

a still visibly upset Giselle pulled the

1:14:05

staffer aside. She asked him if members

1:14:07

of Federman's team were pushing him to

1:14:09

take these stances for political reasons. The

1:14:12

staffer told her that the opposite

1:14:14

was true. Many

1:14:16

of them were as upset as she

1:14:19

was. If you're pushing back

1:14:21

on this, there's no hope the staffer

1:14:23

recalled her saying, this is horrible news.

1:14:26

That is really

1:14:29

terrible. You would

1:14:31

at least hope that it's like,

1:14:33

oh, well, he's got a bunch

1:14:36

of APAC people, lobbyists, either on

1:14:38

staff or nearby who are pushing

1:14:41

him to say these things. And

1:14:44

his whole staff is like, no,

1:14:46

he just is doing this. He's

1:14:48

doing this. Gratis. He's

1:14:50

just for free. He's going to carry

1:14:52

water for a genocide. And I know

1:14:54

that maybe I'm too obsessed with these

1:14:56

details. I promise these are the final

1:14:58

two paragraphs, but this is just astounding

1:15:00

to me. A few days later, Giselle

1:15:02

texted a different staffer. I am at

1:15:04

a breaking point and can't co -sign

1:15:06

this any longer. I'd love

1:15:08

some help in language to separate myself

1:15:11

from this. Can anyone help me? diesel

1:15:14

might have just like languages divorce

1:15:16

yes exactly but like i have

1:15:18

a your husband goes through this

1:15:20

enormous health situation like a stroke

1:15:22

you want to stand by him

1:15:24

and you don't and you hope

1:15:26

that it gets better and he

1:15:29

gets back to his former self

1:15:31

but the the final paragraph points

1:15:33

out that his father carl federman

1:15:35

insurance executive is very pro -israel

1:15:37

and would love when when federman

1:15:39

would go on fox news uh...

1:15:41

so he's He's regressed to his

1:15:43

childhood state is what it seems

1:15:45

like so uncle carl happy there

1:15:48

you go whoa that is it's

1:15:50

uh i mean listen uh it's

1:15:52

always hard to you know be

1:15:54

in a marriage with two people

1:15:56

who are all very political you

1:15:58

know my wife and i go

1:16:00

through this all the time uh

1:16:02

when you know she's trying. to

1:16:05

speak out against Palestine, and

1:16:08

I am making TikToks,

1:16:10

making fun of the

1:16:12

victims of Israel. It's

1:16:15

hard. It's hard when one person

1:16:17

cares a lot about something, and

1:16:20

the other person is a literal

1:16:22

genocidal monster. You never know who

1:16:24

you're going to marry is the

1:16:26

point. Right. You

1:16:29

kind of flipped a coin with Francesca and

1:16:31

it came up to it. Yeah. You know,

1:16:33

it worked out. But hey, who knows for

1:16:35

how long I could have a stroke. And

1:16:38

I just turned 40. I

1:16:40

could have a stroke right now. And then

1:16:42

all of a sudden, I'm just like, you

1:16:44

know, it's great Israel and dead kids. Those

1:16:46

are great things that I love. The

1:16:49

article also pointed out

1:16:51

that he had kind

1:16:53

of had these positions

1:16:55

before October 7th, right?

1:16:58

That he had been

1:17:00

a pro -Israel, but

1:17:02

there is part of

1:17:04

me that has trouble

1:17:06

fully buying a commitment

1:17:08

this strong. You know

1:17:10

what I mean? Like

1:17:12

this, this does feel

1:17:14

like a commitment to

1:17:16

Israel. This strong does

1:17:18

feel like stroke based.

1:17:21

You know what I mean? Yes. It's

1:17:23

not to say he didn't have major

1:17:26

problems as a politician before Ben Burgess.

1:17:28

I mean, before Federman was even elected,

1:17:30

had a piece and he's basically progressive

1:17:32

except for Palestine. Right. Right. Yeah. Right.

1:17:34

So, but this is the kind of

1:17:37

thing that, you know, I mean, puts

1:17:39

it into overdrive. Right. And like, why

1:17:41

don't we have any mechanisms to deal

1:17:43

with this kind of break? Like, and

1:17:45

we can talk about Biden in this

1:17:48

instance. And frankly, well, we know that

1:17:50

Trump's they're not going to impeach Donald

1:17:52

Trump because the Republicans hold the Senate

1:17:54

in the House. But He's clearly completely

1:17:56

lost his marbles, believing the Photoshopped MS

1:17:59

-13 knuckle thing that Stephen Miller is

1:18:01

just like feeding to him on his

1:18:03

desk at this point. These

1:18:05

guys are losing it. Yeah,

1:18:08

it is wild. There's

1:18:10

a tweet I found before

1:18:12

we let Giselle completely off

1:18:15

the hook or cry too

1:18:17

big of a river for

1:18:19

her. This was in March.

1:18:23

her posing with netin yahoo i mean

1:18:25

that's not great but i mean they

1:18:28

said he got a gun and uh...

1:18:30

there's like that's true of sounding things

1:18:32

in the in the article i'm i'm

1:18:34

also if you look at her body

1:18:36

language she is uh... facing away from

1:18:39

him so uh... as a certified body

1:18:41

language expert i would say that she

1:18:43

is not into that particular situation oh

1:18:45

you were you're trained in body yeah

1:18:48

expertise at this is your for your

1:18:50

audition for fox news and that's right

1:18:52

yeah This is how I

1:18:54

punch or joy read. There's

1:18:59

just one final section to underline kind

1:19:01

of like the genocidal mania. This guy

1:19:03

is he's meeting with Jeremy Ben and

1:19:06

me of the sort of liberal Zionist

1:19:08

organization J Street, which is pro -Israel

1:19:10

pro -peace, you know, whatever. And

1:19:13

Fetterman lectures the guy saying you can't

1:19:15

reform sour milk. He told Ben and

1:19:17

me according to the notes from the

1:19:19

meeting referring to Palestinians. That's

1:19:22

sour milk. Fenerman said he did not believe

1:19:24

in a two -state solution and claimed that

1:19:26

he had never met an Arab person who

1:19:28

would condemn Hamas. Correction the notes from the

1:19:30

meeting stated, only a single Arab he has

1:19:32

met with that staff was present for wouldn't

1:19:34

outright condemn Hamas. Fenerman

1:19:36

went on to make statements that

1:19:38

shocked people. In opposing a ceasefire,

1:19:40

he said, let's get back to

1:19:42

killing. A person who heard the

1:19:44

conversation told me, he said, kill

1:19:46

them all. In a statement, Federman

1:19:48

denied the account adding any reference

1:19:50

to killing was solely about Hamas.

1:19:52

And I do support the destruction

1:19:54

of that organization down to its

1:19:56

last member. I don't believe him.

1:19:59

I mean, he can claim, I

1:20:01

mean, this is the old, you

1:20:03

know, switcheroo trick, what they do

1:20:05

with the Hamas thing, where it's

1:20:07

just like, no, all of my

1:20:09

genocidal language, if I just direct

1:20:11

it at Hamas, then I don't

1:20:13

have to think about the fact

1:20:15

that, you know, I consider literally

1:20:17

every man, woman and child in

1:20:19

Gaza to be Hamas, you know.

1:20:22

They're either Hamas. Uh, then that

1:20:24

that's the top tier pre Hamas

1:20:26

pre Hamas or Hamas enablers like

1:20:28

the women that are married to

1:20:30

Hamas. They're not overthrowing Hamas. So,

1:20:32

you know, right? Exactly. Yeah.

1:20:34

They're Hamas voters or they're the progeny

1:20:36

of Hamas voters. Like this is they,

1:20:38

you know, they've all but stated that

1:20:40

there is, you know, not a single

1:20:43

uninvolved person in Gaza. And, you know,

1:20:45

you know that Federman is buying that

1:20:47

line hook line and sinker. So like

1:20:49

he's You know, he can play off.

1:20:51

It's just funny to be like, no,

1:20:53

no, I just meant Hamas. Saying

1:20:56

kill them all about anybody is

1:20:58

weird. Saying kill them

1:21:00

all is one of those

1:21:02

things that Nazis say. It's

1:21:05

literally what movie villains

1:21:07

will, oh, like, that's

1:21:10

a classic movie villain screaming

1:21:12

kill them all. Yeah. Or

1:21:15

metalheads. Yeah, well yeah, but I

1:21:17

mean they're just calling out for a song name they

1:21:20

like. That's different. I'm

1:21:22

not, I'm too posh to understand

1:21:24

this reference. Yeah, sir,

1:21:29

listen to Metallica. Well, listen

1:21:31

to, listen to Reload. Reload by Metallica

1:21:33

has some of their more like, you

1:21:35

know, more melodic stuff. You'll like it.

1:21:37

All right. Well, thanks for the tip.

1:21:40

So back to genocide. No,

1:21:44

like what's been your bad Hasbra? Everybody should check

1:21:46

it out. I really had such a great time

1:21:48

when I was on with you. I mean, maybe

1:21:50

that must have been like a year ago at

1:21:53

this point. But what's

1:21:55

been your experience covering this

1:21:57

over the like over the

1:21:59

first hundred days of Donald

1:22:02

Trump? I mean, activism for

1:22:04

Palestine, it's it I

1:22:07

mean, it's not harder. The struggle

1:22:10

is always difficult, of course, but

1:22:12

you have a completely untethered, unhinged

1:22:15

administration, and there's been no food

1:22:17

that has gotten into Gaza in

1:22:19

food, water, or medicine in 60

1:22:22

days, and it feels like we're

1:22:24

at one of the most dangerous

1:22:26

points in the genocide. Yeah,

1:22:29

I mean, in terms of the

1:22:31

first hundred days of the Trump

1:22:34

administration and everything that's gone on,

1:22:36

you know, with the genocide since,

1:22:39

it's been, it's

1:22:41

gone kind of exactly how I

1:22:43

thought it was going to go

1:22:46

and how it was supposed to

1:22:48

have gone this whole time. You

1:22:51

know, you have the the PR,

1:22:53

you know, ceasefire, you know, this

1:22:55

essentially a win for the Trump

1:22:58

administration. right off the bat. And

1:23:02

it existed, I think

1:23:04

primarily so that Trump

1:23:06

could have this easy

1:23:08

runway for his first

1:23:10

100 days that Israel

1:23:12

couldn't help but break

1:23:14

almost immediately. And

1:23:16

I knew as soon as they did,

1:23:18

You know all of this talk of

1:23:20

like, uh, oh, you know, they had

1:23:22

uh, you know people go into Netanyahu

1:23:24

and saying you better do a ceasefire

1:23:26

You know Trump wants one and you're

1:23:29

gonna do one and then as soon

1:23:31

as they broke it They were like,

1:23:33

okay, are you guys gonna kill everyone?

1:23:35

That's fine. What do you need? And

1:23:37

I was it's just it was it's

1:23:39

so clear. I mean, you know all

1:23:41

of the for all of the the

1:23:43

talk about you know, uh, how Terrible,

1:23:45

uh, you know the Democrats are which

1:23:47

they are you know, they were they

1:23:50

lost this election because they could not

1:23:52

admit to themselves or the American people

1:23:54

that this was, you know, a genocide.

1:23:57

I mean, you know, they lost

1:23:59

for a ton of reasons. But

1:24:01

I think that is a big

1:24:03

part of it. And and they

1:24:05

they ceded that ground to Trump

1:24:08

to where he was going out

1:24:10

and pretending like he was a

1:24:12

dove. It was completely like ridiculous.

1:24:14

Like people were like, he could

1:24:17

say that. Because they were out

1:24:19

there, you know, being like we

1:24:21

got to make sure that Israel

1:24:23

has everything they need in order

1:24:25

to do genocide so Anyways, it

1:24:28

has bar around that has been

1:24:30

interesting because you you've seen kind

1:24:32

of a split whereas I feel

1:24:34

like the more liberal Zionists PR

1:24:37

spin was kind of I would

1:24:39

say the mainstay of the Biden

1:24:41

administration Now you are seeing the

1:24:43

PR go full beta And

1:24:46

if you don't know what BEITAR

1:24:48

is, it's this very right -wing,

1:24:50

Zionist organization that is

1:24:53

like, they think the

1:24:55

ADL are Hamas. Like,

1:24:57

that's how psychopathic they are.

1:25:01

Jonathan Greenblatt, I mean, he's obviously anti

1:25:03

-Semitic. Oh, yeah. I mean, 100%. I

1:25:05

mean, you know, he is, he just

1:25:07

doesn't know he is. Yes. Like

1:25:09

future Hamas, he's future anti -Semite.

1:25:12

We just, you know. Yes. uh

1:25:14

but like it is it is

1:25:17

wild just uh watching kind of

1:25:19

um you know for his mask

1:25:21

off as israel has been uh

1:25:24

it's it's wild to watch like

1:25:26

oh shit i didn't know there

1:25:28

was more mask like they keep

1:25:31

removing extra parts of the mask

1:25:33

and i'm like jesus at at

1:25:35

what point like netanyahu just recently

1:25:38

said like we we prioritize the

1:25:40

destruction of quote hamas over bringing

1:25:43

back our civilians. Like

1:25:45

he's saying that out loud, which

1:25:47

is a wild thing to say

1:25:49

when you can just infer it

1:25:52

using your brain. You

1:25:54

know what I mean? Like just look what's happened

1:25:56

for the last 18 months. We know that. You

1:25:59

know he gets off on it in

1:26:01

like the way that we're when trump

1:26:03

they did that press conference and trump

1:26:06

is saying who would want to live

1:26:08

there it's destroyed sitting next to the

1:26:10

man who is responsible for the destruction

1:26:12

right he's smiling because it's working they

1:26:14

think they're they're doing a little bit

1:26:16

of a trick like in the same

1:26:18

way that they messed with the biden

1:26:20

administration who was not earnestly pursuing a

1:26:23

ceasefire but they wanted better p .r.

1:26:25

for themselves at the very least yeah

1:26:27

the Netanyahu was toying

1:26:29

with him in that way

1:26:31

too. Yeah. Yeah, it is

1:26:34

it is it's it's wild

1:26:36

to see I mean the

1:26:38

repression is obviously Gotten even

1:26:40

more insane, but you know,

1:26:43

it's it's I kind of

1:26:45

see it all as a

1:26:47

continuation, you know, it's This

1:26:49

was like the logical endpoint

1:26:52

of what the you know,

1:26:54

Democrats have allowed to happen

1:26:56

essentially. And that's

1:26:59

why when I see

1:27:01

like, Cory Booker, fucking

1:27:05

Akeem Jeffries, or

1:27:07

like any of these like, centrist

1:27:10

Dems who are

1:27:12

talking about deportations,

1:27:15

I'm just like, you set

1:27:17

up the dominoes, you the idea

1:27:19

that you're just like who would

1:27:21

who i didn't think you guys

1:27:23

were gonna knock them down you

1:27:25

know yeah i just thought it

1:27:27

was like wow look at all

1:27:29

these dominoes all next to each

1:27:31

other i thought we're just gonna

1:27:33

look at it and enjoy like

1:27:35

you know i can't i can't

1:27:37

take any of them seriously and

1:27:39

i can't take anyone seriously honestly

1:27:41

uh the democratic party who uh

1:27:43

doesn't um you know full throatedly

1:27:45

ask for uh you know the

1:27:48

Not only no weapons to Israel, but

1:27:50

also a complete isolation of it as

1:27:53

if it were apartheid South Africa because

1:27:55

it is but worse Yep, and um,

1:27:57

it's our our old producer Bradley referred

1:27:59

one time to to to Cory Booker's

1:28:02

having a Winnie the Pooh disposition and

1:28:04

I think about that all thing with

1:28:06

him and it's when he boo had

1:28:09

a psychopathic will to power from like

1:28:11

teenage years, right? Or but like or

1:28:13

not even the disposition. It's more like

1:28:15

his the way he presents politically and

1:28:18

it's like why are you wearing the

1:28:20

the pin that's meant to like falsely

1:28:22

link the genocide to the return of

1:28:25

the hostages as you talk about like

1:28:27

the dangers of authoritarianism it's right to

1:28:29

talk about authoritarianism in two thousand twenty

1:28:31

five and not effort like a whole

1:28:34

day and not mention israel and what

1:28:36

we're doing one time right kind of

1:28:38

it's Well, it's it's why liberal Zionists

1:28:41

are fascist enablers. And I think that's

1:28:43

like a really important way for us

1:28:45

to refer to them because we wouldn't

1:28:47

have this as you say the situation

1:28:50

that we're in without this permission structure

1:28:52

being created by many, many Democrats. What

1:28:55

is like just to zoom out about

1:28:58

some of how liberal Zionists are reacting

1:29:00

like maybe even in your life because

1:29:02

we've talked about this on your show,

1:29:05

too. How there was

1:29:07

a you know, outrage for probably like

1:29:09

four or five months of, like, I

1:29:11

don't know, me getting freeze down, maybe

1:29:13

you a little bit by some people.

1:29:16

After October 7th, I'm an anti

1:29:18

-Semite, whatever. Then

1:29:20

we have, okay, like, tensions

1:29:23

begin to cool, maybe

1:29:25

not from my end, because I'm infuriated

1:29:27

by these people, like, justifying this, but

1:29:29

like, there's now been, I

1:29:31

think, maybe around six to eight months

1:29:34

of these folks that were saying, Anybody

1:29:36

speaking out for Palestine or anti

1:29:38

-Semitic? It's just radio silence. Yeah, and

1:29:41

it feels like that's maybe even a

1:29:43

longer period of that where it's like

1:29:45

they just that these people who

1:29:47

were very vocal about the anti -Semitism

1:29:50

in the pro -Palestine movement are just

1:29:52

like quiet Yeah, nothing. Is there any

1:29:54

self -reflection happening in your experience? Um,

1:29:58

I you know, I I've

1:30:00

been uh shocked by the

1:30:02

lack of self -reflection like

1:30:04

that that that truly it's

1:30:06

almost like a feat it

1:30:08

amazes me the amount of

1:30:10

people i know who uh

1:30:12

who still have not um

1:30:14

i don't like apologized to

1:30:16

me waiting until the

1:30:18

end of my life yeah it's

1:30:20

like it's just for for the

1:30:22

reactions and like the worst thing

1:30:25

that i've seen um has been

1:30:27

uh a like very intense

1:30:30

revisionism with a lot

1:30:32

of these liberal Zionists

1:30:34

where they'll start saying

1:30:36

things like, oh, well,

1:30:39

everyone wanted a ceasefire. We all

1:30:42

wanted a ceasefire. You know, it's

1:30:44

like who doesn't want to ceasefire.

1:30:46

We agree that they're being genocidal.

1:30:49

They won't say genocide, but they'll

1:30:51

say they're being genocidal. Oh Yeah,

1:30:53

I love to be murderous and

1:30:56

not do murdering Exactly. Yeah, just

1:30:58

just just for you know for

1:31:01

a treat, but like they would

1:31:03

straight up start Like calling me

1:31:05

or my wife anti -Semitic for

1:31:08

saying the word ceasefire in like,

1:31:10

you know, obviously October November December

1:31:12

2023 up until like May of

1:31:15

2024 just the anyone saying ceasefire

1:31:17

it was synonymous with Being like

1:31:20

a Hamas supporting anti -Semite now.

1:31:22

I swear to God I've seen

1:31:24

people who are straight up just

1:31:27

that they're defying at anyone who

1:31:29

ever said ceasefire because they're like,

1:31:31

yeah, we all wanted to ceasefire.

1:31:34

Everyone is doing the thing where

1:31:36

they're going to revise everything that

1:31:39

they said beforehand. They're going to

1:31:41

change the goalposts as to what

1:31:43

they cared about while simultaneously remaining

1:31:46

firmly in the camp of, well,

1:31:48

Israel's got to do what Israel's

1:31:50

got to do. They will Find

1:31:53

whatever way to defend it that

1:31:55

they can and in my life.

1:31:58

It's been you know for the

1:32:00

most part people who are You

1:32:02

know who at one point may

1:32:05

have been like yelling at me

1:32:07

about stuff texting me insane propaganda

1:32:09

Now you know where they they

1:32:12

don't they still don't talk to

1:32:14

me But they will like post

1:32:17

like man that you know this

1:32:19

this Donald Trump. He is a

1:32:21

bad guy. He's a bad dude

1:32:24

And I'm just like, you have

1:32:27

no right to talk about anything.

1:32:30

If you spent the

1:32:32

first, what, 14

1:32:35

months of genocide

1:32:37

actively supporting it,

1:32:40

and now you're just like, oh, this Donald Trump

1:32:42

guy. I don't know about

1:32:44

him. You know, I think he's

1:32:46

bad. We all need to band

1:32:48

together. It's just like, nah, f

1:32:50

off. I do you think that

1:32:52

that is like really for me

1:32:54

there's this naval gazing element of um

1:32:56

which I were all guilty of

1:32:58

I mean like I you have

1:33:00

to have a healthy ego to

1:33:02

put your face on camera and

1:33:04

talk to it so I'm not

1:33:06

excluding myself from sure from this guy

1:33:09

we all gaze at navels sure

1:33:11

uh but like the the the

1:33:13

the the the the thing that's

1:33:15

been most difficult I think to

1:33:17

fight through with some of the

1:33:19

the liberal Zionists is just like I

1:33:21

vote Democrat, so I am a

1:33:23

good person. I have like these

1:33:25

very set viewpoints about like racism,

1:33:27

but it's only in a domestic

1:33:29

context. I don't want to think

1:33:31

about our foreign policy. I don't want

1:33:34

to think about capitalism and its

1:33:36

role in, you know, emissorating people

1:33:38

in the global south and the

1:33:40

Middle East. Just like that is

1:33:42

also a part of our racist

1:33:44

worldwide structure where I don't. The idea

1:33:46

that the greatest barrier for you

1:33:48

to oppose one of the greatest

1:33:50

crimes in the history of humanity

1:33:52

that we're currently living through is

1:33:54

your own personal, like, narcissism about

1:33:56

how good you are. Yeah. Is

1:33:59

there anything more privileged than

1:34:01

that very notion? Right.

1:34:04

Yeah. It makes me mad. Yeah,

1:34:06

no. It's insane the

1:34:09

amount of you

1:34:11

know, how much Zionism does come from

1:34:13

being completely self -centered. But

1:34:16

like just or how much

1:34:18

fascism just comes from being

1:34:20

completely self -centered. It's especially,

1:34:23

I think it's when it's,

1:34:25

you know, like when it's

1:34:27

liberals, it's always worse because

1:34:30

it comes from this deeply

1:34:32

insecure part of their psyche

1:34:34

that defines like

1:34:37

goodness by the perception of

1:34:39

goodness. It defines morality by

1:34:41

the perception of they themselves

1:34:44

being moral. And

1:34:46

so whatever decision they

1:34:48

make, whatever position they

1:34:51

hold, must be moral

1:34:53

because they are moral. They're like,

1:34:55

I'm good. So everything I think

1:34:57

good. And it's like this

1:34:59

really like baby brain thing where

1:35:02

you you realize how many liberals

1:35:04

are just essentially conservatives and waiting

1:35:06

because the inability to learn the

1:35:08

inability to self -reflect is like,

1:35:10

you know, it's like the classic

1:35:12

like conservative stereotype. And you just,

1:35:14

you know, people always wonder it's

1:35:16

like, you know, how come, you

1:35:18

know, the youth, they start out

1:35:20

liberal, then they go conservative. And

1:35:22

it's like, well, yeah, because a

1:35:24

lot of liberalism is just, you

1:35:26

know, completely superficial. It's not. Actually

1:35:28

about learning anything or believing in

1:35:30

anything it is about you know

1:35:32

feeling good about yourself and And

1:35:34

then as soon as something affects

1:35:36

you personally, that's why it's always

1:35:38

starts with like taxes, right? Or

1:35:40

someone just be like, you know,

1:35:42

I used to believe in like,

1:35:44

you know gay marriage and stuff

1:35:46

But then I had to pay

1:35:48

$10 ,000 the IRS and now

1:35:50

pretty much throw anyone under the

1:35:52

bus in order to You know

1:35:54

in order to get that money

1:35:56

back Yeah, and I mean, even

1:35:58

like you see it here, especially

1:36:00

on the the east coast with

1:36:02

the salt deduction fight, like the

1:36:04

same people that were obsessed with

1:36:06

this is just like a more

1:36:08

upper middle class deduction that is

1:36:10

in blue states that primarily like

1:36:12

was that Trump eliminated the first

1:36:14

time. Which is this?

1:36:16

It's a it's a taxation deductions

1:36:19

called the salt the state and

1:36:21

local tax deduction. And the that

1:36:24

there were there's a fight you know

1:36:26

uh... with like the josh gotheimer and

1:36:28

the conservative democrats and then the moderate

1:36:30

mike lawler republicans are i want to

1:36:32

bring back the salt deduction but trump

1:36:35

initially uses a way to punish blue

1:36:37

states and i just see this like

1:36:39

all liberal zinus are all like you

1:36:41

ask them about taxes no You

1:36:44

know, I hate Trump because of that

1:36:46

salt deduction thing. Oh, you hate Trump

1:36:48

because he he made your taxes go

1:36:50

up by like a small amount. Yeah,

1:36:53

that it is it is like it

1:36:55

is crazy the amount of this is

1:36:57

why it's so funny to talk to

1:36:59

a liberal Zionist because yeah, I I

1:37:02

enjoy hearing it's like so what do

1:37:04

you care about? Because that's

1:37:06

always fascinating to me to be

1:37:08

able to compartmentalize like It

1:37:11

used to be we were

1:37:13

compartmentalizing something that was, you

1:37:15

know, like without doing any

1:37:17

further reading, you could just

1:37:19

assume Israel good. You

1:37:21

know, it was like, especially if

1:37:23

you were, you know, grew up

1:37:25

loving Israel or thinking Israel was,

1:37:27

you know, belonged to you because

1:37:29

of, you know, past Jewish trauma

1:37:31