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does going higher look like for

1:01

you? For my guest today it

1:04

means sobriety, journaling, and daily practices

1:06

of self-acceptance. Big Sean is the

1:08

artist behind some of the most

1:10

noteworthy hip-hop songs of the last

1:13

two decades. But today he is

1:15

using his voice on a different

1:17

medium. This time a book fulfilling

1:20

a lifelong goal to call himself

1:22

an author. Though Big Sean is quick

1:24

to tell you, go higher five

1:26

practices for purpose, success and inner

1:28

peace. is not just a book.

1:31

It's a culmination of years of

1:33

personal and professional growth. Driven

1:35

by his own desire to empower

1:37

others, Big Sean feels a strong

1:39

calling to share insights from his

1:42

experiences. As we chat today, Big

1:44

Sean opens up about his big

1:46

break, his battle with addiction, and

1:48

the implications of becoming finally famous.

1:50

Plus, why a 20-piece nugget meal

1:52

from McDonald's still holds a special

1:54

place in his heart. I found

1:56

them to be equal parts endearing.

1:58

and full of wisdom. This conversation

2:00

marks the first for Big Sean

2:02

and me and let me tell

2:04

you his voice, not a bad

2:06

one to spend a little while

2:08

listening to. I'm out of Kotmi,

2:10

welcome to my podcast, Making Space.

2:26

First of all, I am so happy

2:29

to be sitting with you. I've never

2:31

had the opportunity and I've heard so

2:33

many awesome things about the life

2:35

you're living. That's good. And I feel

2:37

like you're in a phase and I

2:40

want to get to your whole life,

2:42

but you are in this moment right

2:44

now. Right. where you have found something

2:46

that people are seeking. It's like the

2:49

Rosetta Stone. It's like, I kind of

2:51

got it. What's the thing that you

2:53

feel like you found at this point

2:55

in your career that you didn't have

2:58

for many years prior? I think before

3:00

you're kind of chasing a

3:02

feeling, you're kind of chasing,

3:04

whatever it is you're chasing, like

3:07

for me, it was like I was

3:09

chasing like... certain records or certain

3:11

things and a lot of times I

3:13

would get those things and then I

3:15

realized that it was kind of like

3:17

a dopamine hit right so you

3:20

got to like keep doing and

3:22

keep doing it and you realize

3:24

that the feeling you're really looking

3:27

for is unconditional for real but

3:29

you're you're looking for it in

3:32

something that's conditional something that's like

3:34

database numbers base statistical statistics and

3:36

those things are great but What I

3:39

have now is just a perspective and understanding

3:41

of it all and I realize that it's

3:43

like, you know what for real? What I

3:45

really was looking for is just like purpose,

3:47

happiness, and to be inspired and to be

3:49

able to create, to be able to make

3:51

something out of nothing. That's one of the

3:53

like, come on, that's like one of the most,

3:56

there's nothing more creative than creating a

3:58

creation, you know, it's like. one of

4:00

the most beautiful things you could do.

4:02

Like the great jokes. Art piece, whether

4:05

you're making a song, whether you're making

4:07

a book, whether you're making a human

4:09

being, and whatever it is, you know?

4:11

Yeah, creating. That's what you do. It's

4:13

so funny because when you probably, I'm

4:15

trying to picture you as just a

4:18

little, little boy when you were just

4:20

young and you were thinking about like,

4:22

you know, you're doing what all the

4:24

kids do. What were you like as

4:26

a little kid? Definitely, I just had

4:29

a crazy imagination, like I could imagine

4:31

myself in any situation, you know, I

4:33

think that's why even when I first

4:35

was really getting to rap and like

4:37

music in general, because I grew up

4:40

in a Motown household, so I grew

4:42

up like Stevie Wonder always on, Diana

4:44

Ross, temptations, you know what I mean?

4:46

Like, so on and so, Marvin Gay.

4:48

That was like one of my mom's

4:50

favorite, Marvin Gay, Aisley Brothers, Aretha. So

4:53

anyway, I grew up in a house

4:55

of that music, but when I really

4:57

started getting into rap, I was like,

4:59

oh, I could do this, like, for

5:01

real. And like, at like 10 or

5:04

11 years old, I saw it already.

5:06

You know? You saw it? Yeah, I

5:08

saw it. Like, I saw me doing

5:10

that. I saw me, like, like, performing.

5:12

I felt it. And I just like,

5:15

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

5:17

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

5:19

like, like, Like back then I thought

5:21

that was like my life's journey and

5:23

I'm not saying it isn't but you

5:26

know it's a lot more to it

5:28

now. To be a 10 or a

5:30

11 year old kid and to know.

5:32

Like most 10 or 11 kids you

5:34

know. Yeah I know I wasn't like

5:36

skeptical but I wasn't like oh I

5:39

would love to I was like oh

5:41

this is what I'm gonna do. Okay

5:43

so somebody put in your brain. that

5:45

you could do anything right be that

5:47

you had limitless potential that abundance was

5:50

all around like somehow that was all

5:52

I got a lot of hate though

5:54

why I don't know it was a

5:56

lot of people from I think coming

5:58

from Detroit the only rapper that was

6:01

like on that level was Eminem at

6:03

the time you know what I'm saying

6:05

and I'm like, well, okay, so here's

6:07

a question then. If someone's pounding on

6:09

you saying it's not gonna happen like

6:12

that, being from Detroit, like, you're not,

6:14

it's weird as that sounds, right, because

6:16

there's Motown, there's all these incredible people,

6:18

but for some reason, I just got

6:20

told that so many times, and I'm

6:22

like, I don't get why not, like.

6:25

Well, okay, so here's a question then.

6:27

If someone's pounding on you saying it.

6:29

that person because your ego has to

6:31

be fragile you're not a hundred sure

6:33

you've never really done it right what

6:36

made you think y'all wrong and I'm

6:38

right I just looked at it as

6:40

there's got to be away got to

6:42

be I wasn't trying to prove anybody

6:44

wrong I wasn't even trying to prove

6:47

like any small doubts that I had

6:49

wrong I just was like really just

6:51

pursuing my passion and I feel I

6:53

realize in life When I just did

6:55

things out of the love of it,

6:58

like that's when things just fell into

7:00

place You know like I would? Record

7:02

music. I sold around my high school,

7:04

you know for like three to five

7:06

dollars from these CDs I pressed up

7:08

shot my album cover at Sears and

7:11

I would get in trouble for that

7:13

But then like I remember a few

7:15

years ago when I went back to

7:17

my high school and they have a

7:19

whole big shine recording studio in the

7:22

school now with like my Platinum Plaques

7:24

all on the wall and kids learning

7:26

how to record and being comfortable in

7:28

front of the mic and learning the

7:30

engineering aspect of it but like I

7:33

was just doing that you know it

7:35

was a complete 180 because I would

7:37

get in trouble for it I would

7:39

get suspended for that sometimes and then

7:41

like I would be doing like open

7:44

mics and like battle wrapping and doing

7:46

this show at the radio station every

7:48

week and it was no I wasn't

7:50

getting paid for it but I just

7:52

felt like it was my job and

7:54

I realized that when I did get

7:57

an opportunity to meet, you know, one

7:59

of my idols and rap form that

8:01

I was prepared for that moment. So,

8:03

you know, it's funny, once you get

8:05

the thing you want that you've dreamt

8:08

of... lot of things come with it

8:10

and they're kind of like golden handcuffs.

8:12

You are the one. You get people

8:14

calling your name, you're making money, all

8:16

these things that you think you want.

8:19

Right. What did you find when you

8:21

were in the middle of that whole

8:23

kind of fame money tornado? There's so

8:25

many like people that feel like they

8:27

deserve so many things from you or

8:29

that it's your responsibility. to take care

8:32

of certain people. It can be very

8:34

stressful and it could be, especially when

8:36

you're the only one from your environment

8:38

that is doing what you're doing. It's

8:40

almost like everyone, you know, it's like

8:43

if you're admitting light, it's like a

8:45

lot of the moss and the things

8:47

are gonna be coming at you and

8:49

they're like pulling at you, you know

8:51

what I'm saying? Yeah. So it was

8:54

stressful and I remember being in New

8:56

York. And I had just finished my

8:58

first tour and I remember my business

9:00

manager sitting me down and going over

9:02

my finances. It was literally right around

9:05

the corner from here where we're at

9:07

now and I was just like, dame,

9:09

my whole life just changed. When a

9:11

lot of things start to come, I

9:13

mean, you fell upon some hard times.

9:15

Like, what happened? What happened? What happened

9:18

that brought you to your knees? I

9:21

mean, I always heard the expression that

9:24

God doesn't give you what you want,

9:26

God gives you what you need, or

9:28

you make plans, and God laughs at

9:30

it, and you see, you realize that

9:33

the hard way, and, you know, you

9:35

gotta build yourself up to realize that

9:37

you're here for a reason, and sometimes

9:40

what you want and what you need

9:42

lines up, and sometimes it doesn't line

9:44

up, and that could be very hard

9:47

for you. So there have been times

9:49

where like... I overworked myself. I didn't

9:51

realize the importance of balance. I didn't

9:54

realize the importance of taking care of

9:56

myself because when you come from a

9:58

place like Detroit and when it finally

10:01

does happen for you to a certain

10:03

extent, it's like... you're scared to lose

10:05

it so you gotta keep the momentum

10:08

up you gotta like really like stay

10:10

consistent you gotta stay hot and you

10:12

overwork yourself and realize that no that's

10:14

moving out of desperation that's actually a

10:17

fear-based way of looking at it it's

10:19

like you really got to accept that

10:21

you're meant to be here like this

10:24

was meant for you this is your

10:26

life until you until you say so

10:28

you know what I mean you're the

10:31

one in control of that aspect of

10:33

it and I had I crashed out

10:35

I definitely crashed out around my third

10:38

album after my third album I was

10:40

just trying to do too much and

10:42

touring and just completely lost sight of

10:45

myself because it was just all work

10:47

I didn't factor in any me time

10:49

I didn't factor in watching anime or

10:52

doing anything that I liked I lost

10:54

touch of everything that I like to

10:56

do and I didn't even recognize myself

10:58

anymore and it was a blaringly painful

11:01

moment because I felt hopeless and I

11:03

felt like I didn't even know myself

11:05

so I had to step away from

11:08

everything for a while and I also

11:10

was like taking Adderall which I wasn't

11:12

prescribed it and it was like a

11:15

very addictive type of drug that really

11:17

gave me like a false confidence and

11:19

I realized that later on the dopamine

11:22

that your brain creates when you're on

11:24

a drug like Adderall it's false dopamine

11:26

so it shuts off the natural dopamine

11:29

your brain makes and once you cut

11:31

that out cold turkey you're like completely

11:33

depressed you're like have no inspiration and

11:35

everything is just hard and I had

11:38

to like really go through like figuring

11:40

myself out I had to redo my

11:42

foundation completely and that took me a

11:45

couple years honestly but I was able

11:47

to reconnect with myself spiritually physically Mentally,

11:49

emotionally, I got in shape, you know.

11:52

I didn't know how much everything was

11:54

so related until then like your physical

11:56

is part of your mental and your

11:59

mental is part of your spiritual and

12:01

your emotional is part of your physical

12:03

and everything is just all interconnected you

12:06

know so I had to learn that

12:08

the hard way and but I'm glad

12:10

I did because it just it really

12:13

taught me how to move more efficient

12:15

and to realize what really is important

12:17

to me and what isn't. I mean,

12:19

I think that that's a big lesson

12:22

for a guy who's as young as

12:24

you are because I think your average

12:26

person would think you've got all the

12:29

things. And like they say with most

12:31

things, I remember I interviewed Magic Johnson

12:33

and I asked him, I said, when

12:36

were you your happiest? And he said,

12:38

I'll tell you when I was my

12:40

happiest. I'm sitting on the dorm room

12:43

floor with cookie who was my girlfriend

12:45

at the time. We're scraping together nickels

12:47

and quarters. He said that day of

12:50

all the things he's done and of

12:52

all of the fame and of all

12:54

of the things he's been through That

12:57

spoke to him. That's when he wanted

12:59

for nothing Wow everything he wanted that

13:01

man magic is Michigan boy. Yeah, that

13:03

is wow. That's crazy. But it's like

13:06

so if you were to look at

13:08

your life and say to yourself this

13:10

was when I was my happiest or

13:13

maybe that day is yet to come

13:15

You know you talk about your grandma

13:17

a lot which I feel like is

13:20

very like you have such a strong

13:22

connection with her or someone who believes

13:24

but is there a moment your life

13:27

where you say aha man a moment

13:29

where I think that like where I

13:31

was my happiest happiest wow I remember

13:34

when I had my son not only

13:36

wasn't happy but it was just like

13:38

soul shifting that was like a like

13:41

It was like happy, but it was

13:43

so many emotions at once that it

13:45

was like a transformation But like when

13:47

I was at my happiest though like

13:50

just pure Yeah. Happy, let me think.

13:52

Definitely had to be when I was

13:54

like younger and I really had happy

13:57

times with like my dad and like

13:59

my mom together. Like one of the

14:01

things I really loved the most is

14:04

like a core memory is like when

14:06

we went to go see Star Wars.

14:08

I know that sounds funny but we

14:11

saw like the Empire Strikebacks and I

14:13

remember we went to McDonald's right before

14:15

and had a 20-piece nugget. And that

14:18

was like one of the happiest days

14:20

of my life and I can't explain

14:22

why though. I really can't. I don't

14:25

know why. Because it was everything. Yeah,

14:27

it just was. It was everything. You

14:29

remember the 20-piece? Yeah, it was the

14:31

first time getting a 20-piece. It was

14:34

like, and we were eating it and

14:36

we saw a Star Wars and it

14:38

was just like a perfect night. Well,

14:41

but that's very beautiful. I told him

14:43

about that actually. He did? Yeah, I

14:45

don't know if he cared that much

14:48

for it. I definitely met him. I

14:50

saw him at the Tyler Perry inviting

14:52

me to the Six AAA premiere because

14:55

my grandma was in the Six Triple

14:57

A. I read about that. That's pretty

14:59

extraordinary. Yeah, she was in the Six

15:02

Triple A and she was very modest.

15:04

Like she didn't never really talk about

15:06

what she did, but we had her

15:09

pictures all around our house, you know,

15:11

and... It was so crazy how that

15:13

movie brought all the pictures to life

15:15

and it was just like you saw

15:18

like I remember she was telling us

15:20

about how she was seasick going from

15:22

the South to Europe and there was

15:25

no one to come for her they

15:27

just handed her a bucket and she

15:29

just had to deal with it however

15:32

long that trip takes and just you

15:34

know being a real I always thought

15:36

she was incredible but my whole life

15:39

people would be like you don't agree

15:41

how important your grandma you don't understand

15:43

like the impact And I was so

15:46

happy that he told that story. That

15:48

was beautiful. It was. And I'm happy

15:50

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it all goes away. I used to,

17:59

I used to be, you know, afraid

18:02

of that, but I do believe fear

18:04

is just false evidence, appearing real. So

18:06

I feel like, I mean, I didn't

18:08

have much growing up, and I was

18:10

happy too, you know. I was happy,

18:13

sad, I had all the ups and

18:15

downs then too, like, so I realized

18:17

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18:19

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18:21

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18:23

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18:26

experiences, the knowledge, the wisdom. You know,

18:28

even if I went back to exactly

18:30

where I started, it wouldn't be the

18:32

same place in a lot of ways.

18:34

So no, I'm not really afraid of

18:36

any of that. Go hire. I like

18:39

the name. Who came up with the

18:41

name? It's brilliant. Go hire the name

18:43

came about because at first I was

18:45

writing a book and each chapter was

18:47

like a name of one of my

18:49

songs and I have a song called

18:52

hire and then we were gonna call

18:54

the book hire and we were like

18:56

it kind of needs more of an

18:58

action to it so then it'll go

19:00

hire and then I got rid of

19:03

the idea of like naming all the

19:05

chapters but that's how the title came

19:07

about is like go hire. An author

19:09

is a big step. I heard you

19:11

talking to Jay Shady and he originally

19:13

had said like, come on, you gotta

19:16

write a book. You gotta write a

19:18

book. You got a lot to say.

19:20

Did you not think at that stage?

19:22

I don't have enough to say for

19:24

a book. Yeah, you know, because sometimes

19:26

you look at yourself and you're like,

19:29

I'm not the most successful person in

19:31

the world. I'm not the most like,

19:33

it's not like I have a degree

19:35

and you know, you think all these

19:37

like things, like things, but they're just

19:39

the doubts in your mind. Then one

19:42

of the things I asked myself is

19:44

how do you measure success? And to

19:46

me, success is a feeling. It's an

19:48

emotion. It's a happiness. And I was

19:50

like, well, maybe I am one of

19:53

the most successful people in the world

19:55

if you look at it like that

19:57

because I realize how especially it is

19:59

even to just be here, right? How

20:01

happy I am to just wake up

20:03

and get it going. even as crushing

20:06

as life can be, sometimes like if

20:08

you go based off the circumstances, you

20:10

know, one of the reasons I wanted

20:12

to write the book is because this

20:14

book, these practices that I do, it's

20:16

like putting armor on, like all of

20:19

that stuff can't affect you, it can't

20:21

penetrate you. It's like, you know, the

20:23

armor catches and you could take your

20:25

armor off at the end of the

20:27

day and life can do anything it

20:29

wants to do, but it doesn't dictate

20:32

your happiness. The whole point of the

20:34

book is just to like, you know,

20:36

help people out. I had I had

20:38

people like my grandma, I had people

20:40

like my mom who's so fire, you

20:43

know, all of these teachers around me.

20:45

I had like great family members and

20:47

a lot of people don't have that.

20:49

A lot of people didn't get those

20:51

ideas. You know, when I wanted to

20:53

be a rapper and I told my

20:56

mom and wrap for her, she was

20:58

the first person I wrapped for. She

21:00

was like, you can manifest it. You

21:02

need to read this. You need to

21:04

do that. And I didn't read the

21:06

books until I was completely desperate. And

21:09

that's what books did she want you

21:11

to read? She was like, read the

21:13

Seven Spiritual Laws of Success by Deepak

21:15

Chopra, read, asking it as given by

21:17

Esther and Jerry Hicks, read. What you

21:20

think of me is none of my

21:22

business, read the four agreements, you know,

21:24

all of these books that I read

21:26

later on, the alchemists. And I was

21:28

just like, like, like, like, like, like,

21:30

like, like, like, like, like, like, what

21:33

I needed, but there are a lot

21:35

of people, even just in my crossings,

21:37

that will never read them books that

21:39

really need that advice. So I was

21:41

really called to, you know, put a

21:43

lot of these gems in my book.

21:46

a lot of these things and just

21:48

kind of cut the fat down and

21:50

just give it straight to them. And

21:52

I think what's important in this book

21:54

is you talked about your vulnerability, you

21:56

talked about depression, you talked about suicidal

21:59

thoughts. Yeah. So it's not like you're

22:01

living this life skipping along and trying

22:03

to spew advice from the mountaintop. You've

22:05

been in the trenches. Yeah. Yeah, I

22:07

mean, I know I'm not alone in

22:10

that. I know people. people have thought

22:12

about it. Even people in my family,

22:14

you know, I've talked about my dad

22:16

having, you know, in the book he

22:18

talks about his time he wanted to

22:20

commit suicide or, you know, depression is

22:23

something like, I know my brother has

22:25

had a great deal, you know, so

22:27

many people, not even just my family,

22:29

but yeah, there was a time where

22:31

I definitely wanted to like... Off myself

22:33

I was done, you know life was

22:36

just too much for me to handle

22:38

But was that when you were in

22:40

the at the peak of your fame

22:42

and all that or was it? Yeah,

22:44

actually was it actually was you know,

22:46

and I look at some of these

22:49

people like Chester and like, you know,

22:51

Lincoln Park and Kirkobane and just I

22:53

think like how does that happen? I

22:55

see how it happens. You don't have

22:57

to be by the way, you don't

23:00

have to be in any type of

23:02

like this industry or music or yeah

23:04

whatever entertainment to feel this way like

23:06

what saved you what saved you from

23:08

those thoughts God I don't even know

23:10

what else to say just just really

23:13

going within you know what I'm saying

23:15

like digging deep like soul searching whatever

23:17

you want to call it I don't

23:19

know it's just like I had to

23:21

have faith in myself I had to

23:23

reestablish my faith Trust in my faith,

23:26

you know, in the middle of the

23:28

trust is that you and it's like

23:30

you got to trust That everything is

23:32

for the betterment of you, you know,

23:34

it's for your greater good. You feel

23:36

me? I feel you. Yeah, you got

23:39

it I mean just to be in

23:41

that moment and to be able to

23:43

do you who is your who's like

23:45

your 2am phone call? You know, but

23:47

I got a I definitely have a

23:50

handful of Friends family members and people

23:52

I love that I can call on

23:54

but I really love that time at

23:56

night to just go within and like

23:58

explore or myself, you know, because I

24:00

feel like we can get so lost

24:03

in this, the world we live in,

24:05

it's like a, especially with social media,

24:07

right, you can easily get on that

24:09

and just get lost and start comparing

24:11

your life to everyone else's life or

24:13

even start living in a whole different

24:16

reality. So it's like you really got

24:18

to put in perspective that that is

24:20

like a conditional thing and that is

24:22

a tool. And it is a beautiful

24:24

thing, by the way, to be so

24:26

interconnected digitally with everyone. But you can't

24:29

let that, like, dictate your life. You

24:31

can't let that be your, you know,

24:33

your center of attention. Do you limit

24:35

how much you're on there? If you

24:37

read comments or things like that? I

24:40

don't read comments like I used to

24:42

at all. Yeah, I kind of have

24:44

just lately, I've just realized how fast

24:46

time is going. And I've been catching

24:48

myself to just like... put my time

24:50

back into my craft. There you go.

24:53

You know what I mean? That's it.

24:55

Yeah. I was on the phone with

24:57

my brother. My dad actually had some

24:59

some heart surgery and recently and nothing

25:01

too major though but he just was

25:03

like man I just I don't know

25:06

when the future got here so fast

25:08

that's what my brother said to me.

25:10

He was like you know I'm in

25:12

my 40s he said and I was

25:14

like I don't get when that happened.

25:17

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