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Good morning, afternoon, or evening. Please

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delete as appropriate. Hello there and welcome

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to this episode 491 of the

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material podcast. I'm Andy and I'll go

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and I'm delighted to say that

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Florence Ion will be returning from her

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medical leave next week. Yay. And

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it'll be for our Thanksgiving episode appropriately

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enough because we will all be

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thankful that she's finally, finally back. I've

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missed her. I know that you've

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missed her too. Well,

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can you stand some more

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coverage of Google antitrust

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actions? There are so many

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to choose from. This

0:46

time we're talking about the

0:48

Department of Justice's victory

0:50

against Google and proving that

0:52

Google search is a

0:54

monopoly on Internet search. So

0:56

this is really like death

0:58

by a thousand cuts

1:00

because this finding was four

1:02

years in the making. Before

1:06

the judgment in August,

1:08

it doesn't mean that

1:10

things are going to

1:12

start happening anytime soon.

1:14

But the DOJ had

1:16

a November 20th deadline

1:18

to explain to the

1:20

court what they hoped

1:22

to have the

1:24

judge require as a remedy

1:27

for the problem represented by

1:29

the Google search monopoly. Now,

1:31

it's worth pointing out that

1:33

this isn't like being fined

1:35

or anything like that. Google

1:37

lost the court case, but

1:39

that doesn't mean that the

1:41

DOJ will impose a fine

1:43

or impose whatever. They don't

1:45

have the power to do

1:47

that. This enters a phase

1:49

where the DOJ tells the

1:52

judge what they think he

1:54

should do. By

1:56

December 20th, Google

1:58

will... subsequently

2:01

show the judge what they

2:03

think is the appropriate action

2:05

to correct this horrible horrible

2:07

horrible horrible sin that they

2:09

have been convicted of actually

2:11

committing and then many many

2:13

months will transpire and the

2:15

judge will decide what Google

2:17

actually has to do sometime

2:19

in the summer probably late

2:21

summer so many many months

2:23

before any of this shakes

2:25

out. But it's important to

2:27

say that not only does

2:29

the DOJ like not have

2:31

the ability to actually impose

2:33

a fine or anything like that, this isn't

2:35

about punishing Google. The purpose of antitrust is

2:37

to once a monopoly has been determined by

2:39

the judge, the next phase is all about

2:41

deciding what actions need to be taken to

2:43

restore a competitive environment. to this industry. So

2:45

that's why, you know, if it were just

2:48

a problem of, oh my God, Google has

2:50

to come up with two billion dollars in

2:52

fines or reparations or whatever, I mean, they're

2:54

two trillion dollar company. They can find that

2:56

money or they can, you know, get a

2:58

loan or something. I don't know what you

3:00

do when you're two trillion dollar company. But

3:02

they can continue to float their boat however

3:04

they like. Conceivably the judge could decide that,

3:06

well. the entire company of Google needs to

3:09

split up into 12 20 different companies and

3:11

must be forced to stop operating in any

3:13

way shape or form as they've done for

3:15

the past 15 to 20 years. If that's

3:17

what the judge decides is required that's what's

3:19

going to happen. Now, of course, nothing of

3:21

the sort is going to happen, but that

3:23

just goes to show that the worst case

3:25

scenario for Google could be very, very, very

3:28

bad. It could be almost unrecoverable. They could

3:30

never become... Be back to the company that

3:32

they were before and I think that that's

3:34

possibly what would happen if the DOJ got

3:36

everything on their wish list Now

3:38

again, this is going

3:40

to be negotiation and

3:42

true negotiation and discussion

3:44

So maybe they start

3:46

coming they want to

3:49

come out of the

3:51

gate running hot so

3:53

that they can negotiate

3:55

down But hey, if

3:57

you're gonna wish you

3:59

know, Santa's coming in

4:01

a month You you

4:03

if you want to

4:05

ask for the ps5,

4:07

you know, you're not

4:10

gonna get it But

4:12

you may what is

4:14

the cost you put

4:16

on the list and

4:18

at least you feel

4:20

like you're being real

4:22

you're being a You're

4:25

you're being reasonable by saying, okay, maybe

4:27

I shouldn't get the ps5 But definitely

4:29

give me like the news the new

4:31

Nintendo switch. Hey, I'll sell for that

4:34

So maybe I couldn't the

4:36

best way to introduce like

4:38

what the scope of the

4:40

DOJ's requests were by actually

4:43

starting off by reading off

4:45

Google's response to it on

4:47

the Google keyword blog They're

4:49

a brand -new post immediately

4:51

after the DOJ Published their

4:53

thing Entitled DOJ's staggering proposal

4:55

would hurt consumers and America's

4:57

global technological leadership So this

5:00

is what this is this

5:02

is the fear that they're

5:04

trying that Google is trying to instill

5:06

in the hearts of Good

5:09

-hearted men and women of the

5:11

of the country if they

5:13

got everything that the DOJ wants

5:15

I'm quoting. I'm gonna quote

5:17

here Endangers secure endangers the security

5:19

and the privacy of millions

5:22

of Americans and undermine the quality

5:24

of products people love by

5:26

Forcing the sale of chrome and

5:28

port potentially Android Required disclosure

5:30

to unknown foreign and domestic companies

5:32

of not just Google's innovations

5:34

and results, but even more troublingly

5:36

Americans personal search queries Chill

5:39

our investment in artificial intelligence

5:41

perhaps the most important innovation

5:43

of our time Where Google

5:45

plays a leading role Hurt

5:48

innovative services like Mozilla's

5:50

Firefox whose businesses depend

5:52

on charging Google for

5:55

search placement Deliberately

5:57

hobble people's ability to

5:59

access Google Search, and mandate

6:02

government micromanagement of Google

6:04

Search and other technologies

6:06

by pointing a quote,

6:08

technical committee, unquote, with

6:10

enormous power over your

6:12

online experience. Scary stuff, eight

6:14

kids. But you'll see like where

6:17

all this comes from. So what

6:19

the DOJ is asking is at

6:22

the top of the list that

6:24

Google divests itself of the Chrome

6:26

browser. Just sell it off. to

6:29

an outside company that the DOJ

6:31

and the judge agree to, to

6:33

address this. Big ask, the nature

6:36

of this is that Chrome is

6:38

by far the majority browser on

6:41

the entire planet between mobile and

6:43

desktop, somewhere between 70 and

6:45

80% of the world's web

6:47

browsing is done on Chrome.

6:49

And if, again, this

6:51

antitrust case is all about

6:53

Google Search. Google Chrome feeds so

6:56

much information about the web to

6:58

Google and informs Google search in

7:00

a myriad ways. The number of

7:03

signals that are generated by Google

7:05

Chrome is astounding. So if they

7:07

think that they need to free it,

7:09

they need to destroy a lot of

7:12

Google's unfair advantage, Chrome would amount to

7:14

being an unfair advantage. This, by the

7:16

way, was the headline that was all

7:19

over the press, not just the tech

7:21

press, but... all over the press on

7:23

Wednesday the day afterward. DOJ wants it

7:25

wants Google to divest itself of chrome

7:28

as though it were a done deal

7:30

and of course it isn't. There also

7:32

want to, they're saying that one of

7:35

the big problems that they were having

7:37

with with Google in their in

7:39

its antitrust, anti-competitive

7:41

actions was the fact that they

7:44

were having with Google in

7:46

their antitrust, anti-competitive actions was

7:48

the fact competitive actions was

7:50

the fact like Samsung can

7:53

get the crown jewels of

7:55

Android, which are access to

7:57

Google apps, access to the

7:59

Google. Play Store, but they're forced

8:01

to bundle those apps. They

8:03

can't get Android without bundling all

8:05

those apps in with every

8:07

single device that they make to

8:09

the exclusion of others. So,

8:11

the DOJ wants to neutralize this

8:13

by ordering Google to either

8:15

a sell off Android as they

8:17

were ordered to sell off,

8:19

they want them to sell off

8:21

Chrome, or just remove every

8:23

single deal that they have with

8:25

Android phone makers that requires

8:28

Google and apps and services to

8:30

be pre -installed and the default

8:32

options on all those things. Related

8:35

to that, no more deals with

8:37

Apple or anybody else to make

8:39

Google search a default on phones

8:41

or browsers. This is where the

8:43

thing about, oh, but Firefox will

8:46

be hurt by this, yeah, because

8:48

they are getting, I think it

8:50

was close to 80 % or 90

8:52

% of their annual operating budget

8:54

off of the fees that they

8:56

collect from Google to be, for

8:58

Google search to be the default

9:00

search engine on Firefox browsers. Yeah,

9:03

there's that too, but I

9:05

think they're more concerned

9:07

about the $22 billion that

9:09

they pay to Apple,

9:11

which again has like 87

9:13

% of youth use of

9:15

mobile internet. So basically

9:17

anyone 24 years old or

9:20

younger in the United

9:22

States is essentially using iPhone.

9:24

So basically for every

9:26

search to go through Google

9:28

search, that's a really

9:30

important valuable metric they would

9:32

have to, they would hate

9:34

to lose that. If they

9:36

were to lose that, I think

9:38

that's kind of likely, that

9:40

would be a big test of

9:42

Apple's testimony during the trial that, oh,

9:44

no, no, no, we didn't even, we, all

9:47

the other alternatives to Google search weren't even

9:49

worth thinking about because like they're not, none

9:51

of them are nearly as good as they're

9:53

not as worthwhile and it's not what our

9:55

customers want. Hopefully

9:58

Google wouldn't just start

10:00

taking checks from Microsoft Bing

10:02

just because they can make, you

10:04

know, $11 billion off of

10:06

Microsoft instead of making $0 off

10:08

of Google. So let's see

10:10

how well they hold to that.

10:13

Now a couple of the things

10:16

are more fine grained here. They

10:19

would be, DOJ wants

10:21

Google to give other companies

10:23

access to the Google

10:25

search index so that if

10:27

I wanted to have

10:29

the Andy search engine, I

10:31

can basically rent the 15

10:33

years of work, more than 15

10:35

years of work that Google has

10:37

done to make the Google search

10:39

algorithm work really, really great. I

10:41

can just basically lease access to

10:44

their site rankings and stuff like

10:46

that. I

10:49

don't know how to make it

10:51

super, super competitive. It essentially

10:53

would burden Google with all the

10:56

expensive responsibility of keeping that

10:58

index good and valuable and keeping

11:00

out the bad people whilst

11:02

depriving them of really the lion's

11:04

share of the rewards of it. Also,

11:08

it's unclear how access to

11:10

that data would help Bing

11:12

or any other or DuckDuckGo

11:14

or any other search engine

11:16

develop search engine technology that

11:19

is competitive with Google search.

11:21

It would just simply say,

11:24

whatever the secret recipe of herbs

11:26

and spices of Kentucky Fried Chicken,

11:28

we have to have access to

11:30

that recipe. So we can make

11:32

chicken that tastes like Kentucky Fried

11:34

Chicken. And we can tweak it

11:36

a little bit, but it'll be

11:38

essentially the flavor of Kentucky Fried

11:40

Chicken. That I mean, it's not spurring

11:42

innovation, is it? That's my difficulty

11:44

here. This

11:47

is a very, very precise target here.

11:49

No investment in AI companies that have

11:51

technologies that could enhance a competitor to

11:53

Google search. So one of the things

11:55

that DOJ is worried about is that

11:57

of course, AI is going to be

11:59

a big, big big factor in pretty much

12:01

everything. Open

12:03

AI, for instance, is working

12:05

on their own search engine,

12:07

but it's an AI -based search

12:09

engine. So what they want to

12:12

head off here is the

12:14

idea of Google essentially buying

12:16

out any AI technology that could

12:18

empower a competitor to Google

12:20

Search to do things that

12:22

Google Search can't do or to

12:24

do it better. This is

12:26

particularly targeted at Anthropic, the

12:29

makers of the Cloud Chatbot.

12:31

I think Google has

12:33

like $100 million

12:35

invested in Anthropic. Yeah,

12:39

so they would have to get

12:41

rid of that and, again,

12:43

not invest in anything that's pretty

12:45

much related to AI. It

12:47

could conceivably kind of end their

12:49

acquisitions of artificial intelligence, which might

12:51

be beyond the scope of what

12:54

this action is supposed to be

12:56

able to do. So

12:58

like I said, Google responds to

13:00

this next month with our own

13:02

idea of we think that we

13:04

can just give everybody

13:07

a free hat or like 5 ,000,

13:09

let's say 10 ,000 people who write

13:11

in can get a free hat in

13:13

which it says, oh, Google is a

13:15

monopoly and they're really, really feeling bad

13:17

about it. That's what

13:19

we think we should be able

13:21

to do. And we will drop the

13:23

price of the Chrome browser to

13:26

free for everybody. They'll try to low

13:28

ball them as much as possible.

13:30

There won't be a decision until the

13:32

summer, and even then, of course,

13:34

Google's going to appeal this. It's going

13:36

to go on for years and

13:38

years and years. And

13:40

this will end pretty much the

13:42

same way that the Microsoft antitrust

13:46

trial ended, in

13:48

which they did, in

13:51

fact, lose. They lost

13:53

the initial case. However,

13:55

they won an appeal. And at

13:57

some point, both the DOJ and the

14:00

like, and Microsoft sat down

14:02

and figured out, okay, in

14:04

an Explorer browser, let's negotiate

14:06

directly with each other about and create a

14:08

settlement that we both can actually live with

14:10

so that we can basically end this

14:12

and move forward. That's how this is going

14:14

to end, okay? Not with a clear

14:16

victory or clear loss. Google's gonna have to

14:18

give something up again. I think those

14:20

contracts, exclusive contracts with Apple are pretty much

14:22

done because they were, again,

14:28

if it's true what all, everyone was

14:30

saying during testimony that the reason why

14:32

we pick Google search is because it's

14:34

what everybody expects and wants and it's

14:36

the best one and the others aren't

14:38

even worth considering, then you would think

14:40

that, okay, well, if that is true,

14:42

then you don't need $20 billion in

14:44

enticements, do you? So

14:46

I could see where they would want

14:48

to, you know, point out the hypocrisy and

14:50

all that and try to address that. This

14:54

is by the way, so I

14:56

was on NPR today and I

14:58

actually didn't include this story in

15:00

my original rundown of topics because

15:02

it was already a really packed

15:04

show. I really wanted to talk

15:06

about all kinds of stuff about

15:08

how the Trump 2 is going

15:10

to affect technology. That in itself

15:12

was like three times as much

15:14

topics as we needed for the

15:17

time slot and I had a

15:19

couple other topics, just to mix

15:21

things up a little bit. And

15:23

from my perspective, it's like, okay, well,

15:25

I know that everybody's yelling about this

15:27

and headlines and everyone's really worried about

15:29

this, but this is nothing, this is

15:31

just, they were required to put this

15:33

out by a certain date. They did

15:35

so, there's gonna be a lot of

15:37

waiting and a lot of negotiating and

15:39

this probably is not going to happen. I'm

15:42

kind of, but in retrospect, I'm kind of glad

15:44

that we talked about it anyway because

15:47

it was such a sensationalistic headline

15:49

or for everything. So everyone was certainly

15:52

aware of it. It's good to,

15:54

one of the things that's very rewarding

15:56

about doing this sort of stuff

15:58

for like a generalized audience. as opposed

16:00

to people like you who are

16:02

specifically interested in technology, is that

16:04

sometimes you can put some light

16:06

and focus on misinformation, sensationalism, you

16:09

know, the finer points that help

16:11

you understand exactly what's going on.

16:13

So I'm glad we wound up

16:15

talking about it. I

16:17

mean right here I was gonna

16:19

talk about it next month on

16:22

this on this show because that

16:24

way we could also balance like

16:26

that what the DOJ was asking

16:29

for and what Google's asking for

16:31

we'll get all of that sort

16:33

of stuff. And also there's

16:36

also finally that other X

16:38

factor Trump again the horse

16:40

in the hospital. Who knows what

16:42

he could do? The DOJ that

16:44

will be in place when. The

16:46

judge does the majority of

16:48

his deliberations will not be

16:50

the same DOJ as has

16:52

been relentlessly prosecuting this for

16:55

four years and who won

16:57

the case in August. Trump

16:59

made some, he didn't make any

17:01

like forceful declarations about what

17:03

he feels about the antitrust

17:05

cases against Google. He did

17:07

kind of indicate that, well

17:09

gosh, you know, China is

17:12

really scared about Google. Maybe

17:14

we shouldn't break them up.

17:16

So clearly he's not terribly gung-home about

17:18

that. Also, I mean, he wants

17:20

to, he certainly wants to hurt

17:22

Big Tech, but he wants to

17:24

hurt them because of those, the

17:26

fantasy that they are, there's a

17:28

censorship cabal in Big Tech to

17:31

censor religion and free speech and

17:33

conservative speech and stuff like that.

17:35

The monopoly stuff, he doesn't really

17:37

care. I don't think he really

17:39

cares about it. So it's possible

17:41

that it'll all go away or...

17:43

they'll be really the new DOJ

17:45

is going to be very very

17:47

very very very much encouraged to

17:49

say look I'm the people who

17:52

are running this division we didn't

17:54

start the fire we just have

17:56

to deal with the with the

17:58

scorch marks everywhere. We just want

18:00

this to end. Figure out, don't dig

18:03

in your heels, whatever it seems like

18:05

a really reasonable offer that Google makes,

18:07

that Google will agree to just cut

18:09

a deal and let's go. But

18:12

I'll tell you something that the government may

18:14

not want to let go or at least the

18:16

judicial system may not want to let go. Google

18:20

playing fast and loose with

18:22

the idea of preserving evidence

18:24

that might be used against

18:26

them in future trials. Yeah,

18:28

so again, Google's facing three

18:30

big antitrust actions and they

18:32

all have that one thing

18:34

in common. All three of

18:36

the deciding judges overseeing these

18:38

cases warn Google that their

18:40

destruction of internal company communications

18:42

records before they could be subpoenaed

18:44

was shady as hell. Every

18:46

single time that the plaintiffs, the

18:48

DOJ, said, hey, we want

18:50

records of A, B and C

18:52

and Google said, we've got

18:54

part of C but A and B

18:56

were destroyed long, long time ago.

18:59

It's just part of our, oh, we

19:01

only have a 512 megabyte flash

19:03

drive storing all this stuff. We need

19:05

to clear off space. So that's

19:07

why we don't have all those

19:09

internal documents about world domination and stuff

19:11

like that that you were curious

19:14

about. Whoopsie, nothing we can do, which

19:16

we could do something about it. Yeah,

19:20

that was... That's,

19:24

they didn't make a whole lot

19:26

of people happy. The DOJ really

19:28

wanted those documents and they feel

19:30

as though they've been hoodwinked. And

19:32

the great thing is that the

19:34

New York Times published an article

19:36

this week that tied all the

19:38

stuff together and cast the hoodwinkery

19:40

in its proper scale scope and

19:42

grandeur. So when

19:45

we talk about

19:47

destroying potential evidence, it's

19:49

not as bad as

19:51

if Google in every single floor of

19:53

every single office had like an

19:55

oil drum with a small fire at

19:57

the bottom of it, so that... If

20:00

it sounded like cops were pulling up

20:02

at the front door, employees could

20:04

just start dumping folders and file documents

20:06

and diskettes and things into there

20:08

before they could be scooped up by

20:10

Elliott Nesson as in touchables. It's

20:12

not as bad as that, but it's

20:15

pretty damn bad. So

20:17

the New York Times documented Google's

20:19

ongoing and proactive policies to make sure

20:21

that its internal communications of documents

20:23

would be out of the hands of

20:26

any future government investigators or the

20:28

hands of the plaintiffs and any future

20:30

lawsuits against the company. So it

20:32

wasn't specifically, we want to make sure

20:34

that in this Google search anti -trust

20:36

suit, they don't get their hands

20:38

on this. So it was as a

20:40

matter of policy, over the course

20:42

of 15 years, which New York Times

20:44

documented, they wanted to make sure

20:46

that whatever happened, there would not

20:49

be documents exempt. There would not

20:51

be records of communications extant

20:53

wherever it was practical for those

20:55

things to go away. It

20:57

boils down to three parts of

20:59

the strategy. Internal emails and

21:01

chats get deleted shortly after they've

21:03

been read. And employee messaging

21:06

apps, they're not backed up or

21:08

preserved as a default setting.

21:10

So even like, there are times

21:12

where there is an ongoing

21:14

action or there are times when

21:16

Google is required to be

21:18

sensible enough to know that,

21:20

hey, there could potentially be

21:22

a legal action in the

21:24

future about this issue. So

21:26

we are legally required to

21:29

retain these records for future

21:31

use. So if any employees

21:33

were working in a space where

21:35

that was required, it's not as

21:37

though they had an internal

21:39

system that would automatically switch the

21:41

default to yes, retain everything.

21:43

They had, it was their responsibility

21:45

individually to remember to go

21:47

into their own settings files and

21:49

enable these backups and these

21:52

data retentions. That's really kind of

21:54

squirrely. Also,

21:56

secondly, employees were trained about

21:58

the risks of... of how

22:00

their emails and how their chats might

22:02

be misinterpreted by some future judge

22:04

or lawyer. So the use of sarcasm

22:06

or discussing what Google term to

22:09

be, quote, hot topics, unquote, were actively

22:11

discouraged. And they were also advised,

22:13

quote, don't comment on stuff before you

22:15

have all the facts, unquote. I

22:17

mean, it sounds as though you're just

22:19

chatting with like a friend of

22:21

yours in another department about, gosh, it

22:23

really looks bad for Google. I

22:25

hope that we don't get sued about

22:27

this because I don't know how

22:29

the company would ever get out of this

22:31

when this is not a department that

22:34

you work in. You don't understand any

22:36

of the issues, the legal issues. You're

22:38

just reading the news. You're just reading

22:40

Gizmodo like anybody else. That looks really,

22:42

really bad when a DOJ attorney or

22:44

plaintiff gets ahold of it. It sounds

22:46

as though there's conspiracy and collusion and

22:48

everybody knew that you were doing bad

22:50

stuff. Okay, but

22:52

here's the most incredible part.

22:54

Here's the most squirrely part.

22:56

Employees were encouraged to attach

22:58

the phrase attorney -client -privileged to their

23:00

documents and to include

23:02

a member of Google's legal

23:04

team on any list

23:07

of recipients that get that

23:09

document. So the hope

23:11

there was that Google could

23:13

therefore like insulate and

23:15

protect that document against discovery

23:17

by citing, by claiming

23:19

attorney -client -privileged doesn't matter if

23:21

it actually merited attorney -client

23:23

-privileged, doesn't matter what member

23:25

of the corporate legal

23:27

team they included in the

23:29

recipients list, doesn't matter if

23:31

that lawyer ever read that document

23:33

or followed up or anything like

23:35

that. Hopefully, waving this magic wand

23:37

on that document would mean that

23:39

if there was some kind of

23:42

legal action then Google would have

23:44

the option of not turning that

23:46

thing over. There was a bit

23:48

of wishful thinking. I

23:52

think that they were having faith

23:54

that a judge or an

23:56

attorney would not realize that this

23:58

was like super. double plus

24:00

suspicious, okay? If I think it's

24:02

suspicious, an attorney who is trying

24:04

to score points against Google is

24:07

definitely gonna find it suspicious. Now

24:09

to be fair, as the New

24:11

York Times have acknowledged in the

24:13

piece, like Google isn't at all

24:15

unique here in this kind of

24:17

concern. Like every huge company's gotta

24:19

be worried about like losing a

24:21

billion dollar lawsuit in five years

24:24

because some employee made a joke

24:26

and email about world domination crushing

24:28

the freedom -loving population underneath the company's

24:30

relentless iron boot hill. I got

24:32

a big laugh, like at the

24:34

time, six or seven years from

24:36

now, that's the reason why like,

24:39

again, your office chair along with

24:41

700 just like it are available

24:43

on Craig's list at pennies in

24:45

the dollar because a certain division

24:47

had to be shut down. So

24:51

it's understandable, at least the intention, but

24:53

it's certainly not helping Google to make

24:55

any friends here. And yeah, like if

24:57

you haven't been keeping up with Google's

24:59

antitrust cases, they could use some friends.

25:01

They don't wanna, they don't wanna, they

25:04

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25:06

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25:08

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26:45

So Michelle Raman of Android Authority

26:48

had a really busy and productive

26:50

week this week. He broke a bunch

26:52

of a couple of stories that

26:54

I found really interesting. They're

26:56

also frustratingly

26:58

vague. That's not

27:00

Michelle's fault. It's the

27:02

nature of the information that

27:04

he has. But I'm eager for

27:06

more details on both of

27:08

these things. Okay, so Michelle has

27:11

some information about Pixel tablet, the

27:13

sequel to the Pixel tablet that came

27:15

out last year. That Android

27:18

tablet that attaches to a

27:20

speaker dock. And so it becomes

27:22

like a smart speaker when

27:24

it's docked, when it's undocked, it

27:26

becomes an Android tablet. And pretty

27:28

much because of the limitations of Android,

27:30

mostly we're talking about an entertainment

27:32

consumption device, media consumption device, as opposed

27:35

to I got to make sure

27:37

I got crunch those numbers and be

27:39

ready for that big hundreds and

27:41

meetings tomorrow and close that contract. Yeah,

27:43

Android is really not good for

27:45

that. Doesn't matter how big a screen

27:47

you put it onto. So he

27:50

says that he had a source that leaked

27:52

information about an early stage

27:55

prototype. I mean, it's not as though it

27:57

was like hand soldered boards or anything like that.

28:00

It wasn't in a state where

28:02

it's not necessarily ready to go

28:04

into production just yet. It

28:06

has put out some

28:08

features of it, a

28:10

new camera, an upgraded

28:12

camera, a Wi -Fi version,

28:14

and a 5G version,

28:17

keyboard accessory with trackpad, lots

28:20

of stuff that, by

28:22

the sound of it, just by themselves, elevate

28:24

the idea of a pixel tablet from,

28:26

hey, yes, this is a smart display, but

28:28

you have the ability to remove the

28:30

display and carry it around with you and

28:32

turn it to something that we more

28:34

reliably consider like a tablet, something

28:36

that's more like a Samsung Galaxy

28:38

Tab, more like one of

28:40

the OnePlus things, more like

28:43

an iPad, more importantly, having

28:45

all these features. Internal specs,

28:47

not a whole lot to speak

28:49

of. He's talking about the

28:51

same system on a chip,

28:53

Cpo as the Pixel 9, a

28:57

Tensor G4, G5

28:59

chip, maybe the

29:01

Pixel Tablet 1 has the sensor

29:03

G2, possibly with display output,

29:05

that would also make sense. So,

29:09

here's

29:12

the uncertainty

29:14

here. Another Android

29:16

site said that the Pixel

29:19

Tablet 3 had been canceled, and

29:22

Michelle seemed to have better

29:24

sources than this other

29:27

commentator /reporter, and he tried

29:29

to sort of unpack

29:31

what was going on

29:33

here, because the Tablet

29:35

3 had not been

29:37

under development, because the

29:39

Tablet 2 was still

29:41

ongoing. So, he thinks

29:43

that they got part of it wrong,

29:46

and that there's a possibility that

29:48

the Pixel Tablet 2, or at least

29:50

in the form in which he

29:52

had seen information on it from an

29:54

inside source, that had been canceled,

29:56

and maybe something called the Pixel 3

29:58

would be still on. Again,

30:02

hard to know what's going on.

30:04

The thing is, it's frustratingly believable that

30:06

Google would say, well, we made

30:08

a good half -assed effort at a

30:10

tablet with a Pixel tablet one. Now

30:12

we're just going to give up

30:14

on it and pretend as though it

30:17

never happened and just set it to

30:19

the graveyard. That's very, very easy to

30:21

believe. It's

30:23

also easy to believe

30:25

that Google really wants to make a

30:27

go of a tablet and that they

30:29

don't want to do something that's simply incremental

30:31

and they do want to do something

30:34

like, hey, we want to make sure we

30:36

have a keyboard accessory for it. We

30:38

want to make sure it's a productivity device.

30:40

We want to make sure that you

30:42

can buy a version that has 5G so

30:44

you have mobile broadband without having to

30:46

light up a hotspot. I can believe that

30:48

as well. Before AI became absolutely obliterated,

30:50

all other topics of

30:52

conversation in the Google press

30:54

news, press feed. One

30:56

of the things that messages

30:59

they're trying to convey

31:01

is that they want Android

31:03

to be more studly for

31:05

both foldable displays and

31:07

large displays. So let's have

31:09

better support for keyboards

31:11

and mouses, better multi -windowing

31:14

support. Remember that

31:16

Samsung, one

31:18

of the only reasons why they've

31:21

got some successful tablets in the Android

31:23

space is because they've created their own

31:25

extensions to Android to support that sort

31:27

of stuff because Google seemed to be

31:29

dropping the ball, just happily dropping the

31:31

ball. Dropping the ball was the sport,

31:33

not picking up the ball and running

31:35

with it. No, this isn't golf. You

31:37

don't get points for the lowest score.

31:39

This is actually, you want to actually

31:41

be better than other people. So,

31:45

yeah, there's uncertainty right now. It's safe to

31:47

talk about the uncertainty because I don't

31:49

think any, I certainly wasn't planning on, well,

31:51

gee, I really like the Pixel Tablet

31:53

1. I want to hold off for

31:55

the Pixel Tablet 2. As soon as the

31:58

2 comes out, that's one of my

32:00

money. comes out of my wallet. Yeah,

32:02

I mean, I'm still waiting

32:04

for the first good Google

32:06

tablet to come out. And

32:08

the specifications for that Michelle

32:10

came up with does sound like

32:13

they're making a good step

32:15

forward. However, again, I don't

32:17

think it's the hardware that's

32:20

laying them down. It's

32:22

still the limitations of Android

32:24

software. But Michelle had some

32:27

even bigger news. That's actually

32:29

complementary to all this. So

32:31

he saw some leaked documents

32:34

about a new Google Premium

32:36

laptop. Now we've seen, we've

32:38

seen to make laptops before.

32:40

They've been, again, Chromebooks.

32:43

They made a really nice high-end

32:45

pixel book, which is still

32:47

one of my favorite laptops. I've

32:50

got one later on at a

32:52

discount. Still use it. very regularly.

32:54

It's just a chrome Chromebook. They

32:56

dabbled with some, not necessarily somewhere

32:58

between middle brow Chromebooks, some that

33:01

wouldn't compete with the really, really

33:03

cheap ones that get sold and

33:05

best buy and get sold to

33:07

schools and not competing with the

33:09

very, very few high-end ones that

33:12

Dell and others were interested in

33:14

making and were for sale almost

33:16

exclusively to like senior executives at

33:18

companies that is standardized on ChromeOS

33:21

and they refused to be seen

33:23

carrying a laptop that was not

33:25

at least $500 more expensive than

33:28

the laptops that all the people

33:30

who report to them were running.

33:33

So that's the kind of chrome,

33:35

that's the kind of laptops they've

33:37

been making. But again, his leak,

33:40

just like his information as with

33:42

the previous tablet story, wasn't

33:44

100% thorough, but It indicated

33:46

that it was a premium laptop,

33:48

something that's designed to compete with

33:50

Mac books, which is something that I

33:53

don't understand for, and we'll talk about

33:55

that a little bit later, but, but

33:57

also suggesting that it will be exclusively.

34:00

Android laptop. Not a Chromebook,

34:02

but an Android laptop. This

34:04

is really enticing because this suggests

34:07

that Android 16 or whatever

34:09

version of Android that this

34:11

laptop will run, assuming that's

34:14

for real, will make a

34:16

much, much, much more serious

34:18

run at multi-windoing, multitasking. Again,

34:21

keyboard or mouse support, supporting

34:23

features like external displays. it's

34:25

not the hardware that lets

34:28

Android down, it is Android

34:30

itself. And that's pretty exciting,

34:32

because they wouldn't make an

34:34

exclusive version of Android just

34:37

for this laptop. It would

34:39

be constructed, perhaps even with

34:41

the intention of showing off

34:43

what Android can do now, that they're

34:45

elevating it as a more iPad

34:47

OS sort of offering, where it's

34:50

not just exploded phone apps, it

34:52

really is its own platform. That's

34:55

pretty exciting again. I

34:57

don't it's the Mac.

34:59

It's the it's the

35:02

it's the Mac book

35:04

thing that I don't

35:06

really understand Because Mac

35:08

books are expensive. Okay.

35:10

The minimum buy-in on a

35:12

Mac book is a thousand

35:14

bucks That's that's

35:16

for like no air

35:18

conditioning No power windows and

35:20

the factory stereo. That's how

35:23

underspect this thing is and

35:25

Google's advantage if they wanted

35:27

to press it would be to create

35:29

something as with the Chromebooks Let's

35:31

create something that for many people

35:33

will be as useful as a

35:35

thousand dollar Mac book air but

35:37

cost five and it's built as

35:39

well as a thousand dollar Mac

35:42

book air but cost five or

35:44

six hundred dollars or in many

35:46

cases if you want to sacrifice

35:48

build quality is five or six

35:50

hundred dollars less than a Mac

35:52

book error because if you put

35:55

an Android laptop next to any

35:57

Mac book or any thousand dollar

35:59

Windows notebook who's

36:01

taking the Android machine? Especially

36:04

version one of them trying to

36:06

prove that they can actually turn

36:08

into a productivity, like desktop style

36:10

operating system. No one's gonna go

36:12

for that, so I don't know.

36:14

I don't, again, I'm interpreting

36:16

what Michelle has said.

36:18

He did say, competing with

36:20

Macbooks, I don't know

36:22

why, I don't know how

36:24

he came to that comparison, so

36:26

it could be that I just

36:29

really don't know what I'm talking

36:31

about. But he also came up

36:33

with, maybe even bigger news, that

36:35

Google wants to fully migrate Chrome

36:37

OS over to Android. Now,

36:40

you might be thinking about a

36:42

development that Google announced earlier

36:44

this year. They announced that they

36:46

were going to retool parts

36:48

of Chrome OS so that it

36:50

uses parts of the Android stack, because

36:53

why bother duplicating efforts? Like, why

36:55

create two different versions of a

36:58

Bluetooth stack if you just simply

37:00

have one team creating one and

37:02

both Chrome OS and Android both

37:04

use the same stack? That's just

37:06

easy. So, Google indicated, actually said

37:08

a few months ago that, yeah,

37:10

we're gonna kind of be continuing

37:12

that, but they didn't say anything

37:14

about Chrome OS not materially being

37:17

still Chrome OS, not still being

37:19

its own thing. Remember that Android

37:21

is based on Android, Chrome OS

37:23

is Linux. It

37:25

doesn't have a whole lot

37:27

of crossover with Android. It's a

37:29

Unix -like operating system, but certainly

37:31

not Android in any way,

37:33

shape, or form. So,

37:37

yeah, I really wish we had more details about this.

37:41

I'm thinking about all the

37:43

different ways that this

37:45

piece of news could be true. Again,

37:47

that Chrome OS is transitioning

37:50

to Android. Fully

37:54

migrating to Android. So,

37:56

possibility A, that

37:58

Chrome OS will... still look

38:00

and function exactly the same way. If

38:02

you've got a Chromebook, it still looks

38:04

and functions like a Chromebook. It's just

38:06

that unbeknownst to you, it's being built

38:08

on top of Android instead of the

38:11

Linux that was underpinning the Chrome OS

38:13

previously. Or maybe

38:15

it suggests that they're building, they're

38:17

transitioning Chrome OS into some kind

38:19

of a hybrid where its primary

38:21

use case, its primary face to

38:23

the user is still the Chrome

38:26

browser window. However, it will be

38:28

able to run apps from the

38:30

Google Play Store in ways that

38:32

are much, much more natural than

38:34

how you run Android apps on

38:36

a Chromebook now. Because it is

38:38

an Android, because at this point

38:41

it will be an actual Android

38:43

computer. So it can just simply

38:45

run Windows that have all these

38:47

other apps of them, at which

38:49

point you wonder, I start to

38:51

wonder, well, if that were to

38:53

be the case, why

38:56

not just have the browser be the

38:58

Chrome browser and not even call it

39:00

a Chromebook at all, which

39:03

leads to possibility three in which

39:05

you just really just turn Chrome

39:07

OS into Android. So that really

39:09

it is an Android device that

39:12

when you open it up and

39:14

wake it up from sleep, it

39:16

presents you with an Android style

39:18

desktop as opposed to a browser

39:20

window. Chrome

39:24

OS is right now, it's a browser

39:26

window that you do 95 % of

39:28

you work in. For certain things like

39:30

file management, there is like a files

39:32

app that you use for moving files

39:34

back and forth, but it's not dragging

39:36

files from one window to another. So

39:40

his report says that the overall

39:42

goal of all of this is

39:44

to make Chrome OS more competitive

39:47

with the iPad, whereas with the

39:49

laptop they're saying, oh, we want

39:51

that compete with Mac OS, here

39:53

they're saying the idea is to

39:55

make Chrome OS as a

39:57

whole more competitive with iPad or

40:00

iPad OS, I guess. And okay,

40:02

that works for me conceptually. I

40:04

use an iPad Pro for productivity

40:06

and I love it, but I

40:08

keep wishing it were more like

40:10

Android because if it were, it

40:12

would be less of a pain

40:15

in the butt because as soon

40:17

as you stray, even a centimeter

40:19

beyond the perimeters of what Apple

40:21

considers to be the iPad's use

40:23

case, it's just death. I can't

40:26

tell you the number of

40:28

times where I've been totally screwed because,

40:30

well, if I could just move

40:32

a file from here to there

40:34

and instruct this app to open

40:36

that file as I could

40:38

on literally any computer I

40:40

own that is not running

40:42

iOS or iPadOS, I

40:45

would have a solution here. Right now,

40:47

there is no solution. Like the

40:49

number of times I've had to bring

40:51

for like an overnight trip to

40:53

New York City, which would be a

40:55

perfect use case for just taking

40:57

my iPad Pro and my keyboard case,

40:59

I've wound up taking that and

41:01

my MacBook because there was this one

41:04

thing I have to do after

41:06

my meeting that would take, God,

41:10

it's only gonna take five minutes. Okay,

41:12

the most trivial thing in the

41:14

world, but the thing is the iPad

41:16

can't do it, the MacBook can.

41:18

So I have to take my MacBook

41:20

with me for 10 minutes of

41:23

absolutely emission critical stuff that the iPad

41:25

can't do. So if Google were

41:27

able to present a version of

41:29

Chrome OS that

41:31

delivered the functionality of

41:33

the iPad. the

41:36

advantages of the form of the iPad,

41:39

meaning that it's much, much slimmer.

41:41

It lasts forever on battery by

41:43

comparison. I have the option of, okay,

41:45

this is the iPad. I bought

41:47

a really nice iPad Pro because I

41:49

really like it, but you don't

41:51

have to spend like $1 ,100 on

41:53

an iPad. You can spend $400 on

41:55

an iPad. I would love to

41:57

spend $400 on an Android tablet that

41:59

could do, and make it. a

42:01

Chromebook that was like as useful as

42:03

a $400 iPad in every way

42:05

shape or form. So

42:10

it's, you know,

42:12

see, it's in there, but I'm

42:14

still really confused as to what doesn't

42:16

mean to be a Chrome OS device.

42:20

Again, you need to,

42:22

it's huge, huge, huge grace

42:24

for everybody is that

42:26

you can have a $400

42:28

laptop that for many things

42:30

will perform just as well as a

42:32

$1 ,000 MacBook. Not talking about everything

42:34

of course, but we're talking about

42:36

like if I, $400

42:39

is the max that a lot of

42:41

people can afford. And to

42:43

have something that has such an operating

42:45

system that has such a low overhead that

42:47

you can use like old, old, old

42:49

technology CPUs for it. You don't need

42:51

to have half a terabyte of storage on

42:53

there. You don't even necessarily have to

42:55

have the best displays. You can actually

42:57

make something that's very, very well made.

42:59

We'll handle a lot of abuse, but still

43:02

you can afford it. That's been the

43:04

grace. And I don't know what happens

43:06

if you try to get rid of

43:08

that. How do you make it as reliable

43:10

as a computer where you can't install

43:12

any apps? The

43:14

key to keeping your computer running

43:16

is usually don't touch it. Okay,

43:20

the minute you start

43:22

to actually install software on

43:24

it, that's where the veil

43:26

of sorrows descends over

43:28

your head. So

43:31

it's easy for me to

43:34

imagine Google giving up the things

43:36

that make Chrome OS unique and

43:38

valuable and turning it into

43:40

something that is not as clean

43:42

or efficient as an

43:44

iPad, not as powerful

43:46

as Windows or Mac

43:49

OS. I hope they

43:51

don't mess this up. Michelle

43:53

does make a really

43:55

good point that Google, if

43:58

they make this kind of transition, will have a lot.

44:00

more freedom to make Android-based Chromebooks

44:02

as good as they could possibly

44:04

be. Because Google, they don't make

44:06

desktop machines, whereas Apple will never

44:09

improve the iPad past the point

44:11

where they start to cannibalize sales

44:13

of Mac books. They have some

44:15

sort of really weird dogma about

44:18

touch screens on Max. I think

44:20

this was something that Steve Jobs

44:22

came out against. This is something

44:24

that Tim Cook has picked up

44:27

and run with and everybody else

44:29

in charge at Apple have run

44:31

with. Absolutely ignoring the fact that

44:34

now we've had laptops with touch

44:36

screens or tablets that are even

44:38

tablets that run desktop operating systems

44:41

like windows and they're great. They're

44:43

wonderful. Okay, they're awesome. I would

44:45

buy a Macbook with a touch

44:48

screen in a heartbeat, if I

44:50

could. If you had a Macbook

44:53

with a yoga-style display where I

44:55

could fold the, right, the hinge

44:57

went, went a full, a full,

45:00

like, it won't be 360 degrees,

45:02

but you know what I mean, but

45:04

folds all the way to the back,

45:06

or I can tent it and make

45:08

it work, like, as an easel, I

45:11

would buy that in a heartbeat.

45:13

It's dogmatic at Apple. That's,

45:15

oh no, that's why we

45:17

have iPads. If you want

45:19

to touch screen, you have

45:21

an iPad. So again, Michelle

45:23

has a good point there.

45:25

But again, I'm still really,

45:27

really puzzled. In addition to

45:29

the other problems that I mentioned,

45:32

when you compare it to

45:34

Macbooks and iPads, Both all

45:37

those all those things have

45:39

something that Android absolutely doesn't

45:41

have and that's a huge

45:43

library of truly powerful Desktop

45:45

great productivity apps, okay? Google

45:48

at this point there their hearts in

45:50

the right place I can I

45:52

believe and trust that they're working

45:54

hard to solve this problem, but

45:57

like they are barely leading the

45:59

developer community out of the, just

46:01

write a phone app and

46:03

have it stretched to fill

46:06

a huge screen, like that

46:08

era of development. Android 16,

46:10

if this is where they're

46:12

going, has to be an

46:15

absolute barn burner. It has

46:17

to be a revolution in

46:19

windowing multitasking and support of

46:21

track pads and keyboards in

46:23

order to make that sort of

46:26

thing happen. So I hope they don't

46:28

mess it up. But of course, the

46:30

biggest problem on all of this,

46:32

and you might be a step

46:34

ahead of me, with both this

46:37

tablet idea and the Android-based promo-os

46:39

things, who among us on this

46:41

planet, who has been paying any

46:43

attention to Google and its

46:45

history and its habits, will

46:47

be willing to forget the

46:49

past and just take it

46:51

on faith that Google will

46:53

actually commit to these new

46:56

products and these new strategies.

46:58

because Google they've burned developers

47:00

and users many many many

47:02

many many many many times

47:04

before okay they're starting to

47:06

stack up the bodies in

47:08

the Google graveyard because they're

47:10

running out of time still pretty exciting

47:13

times it's it's a good time

47:15

to be around again I'm not

47:17

putting aside money into anticipation

47:19

of an Android based Chromebook

47:22

but I'm really really interested

47:24

in seeing what the idea of

47:26

migrating fully to Android means for

47:29

ChromeOS. And the great thing is

47:31

because we don't have an actual

47:33

announcement from Google yet, it means

47:35

we can speculate. And you know,

47:37

the days are really, really short

47:40

here in late November. I mean,

47:42

it's pitch dark at 415. We

47:44

have a lot of nighttime to

47:46

sort of get ourselves through. If

47:48

we can keep ourselves warm by

47:50

building a fire and sharing stories

47:52

of wild baseless speculation about what

47:54

we hope to see in the

47:56

future, announced probably at Google AO,

47:59

we'll get there. Before we go,

48:01

some excited and unexpected news

48:03

on two levels. The Android

48:05

16 developer preview one dropped

48:08

this week. That's super super

48:10

early when you're not used

48:12

to seeing it so close

48:14

to the drop of the

48:17

previous version of Android. Usually

48:19

that is like. It's the

48:21

sort of thing you see just ahead

48:23

of Google I.O. At least like a

48:26

month or two ahead. So they wanted

48:28

to get this out the door before

48:30

everybody left for turkey day, I guess.

48:33

It's confirmed according to like

48:35

the about box in the

48:37

developer preview. It's code named

48:39

Baklava. As you will probably know,

48:41

Baklava is a layered pastry

48:44

dessert made of filo pastry

48:46

filled with chop nuts and

48:48

sweetened with syrup or honey.

48:50

Thank you. AI, AI, AI,

48:52

aided, eh. I'm not gonna

48:54

edit that. Let me let

48:56

me let all my faults

48:58

spill upon you like, like,

49:01

like, like candy dates upon

49:03

a river. Is that even

49:05

a thing? I don't know.

49:07

They should be a thing.

49:10

If I saw a river

49:12

full of candy dates, I

49:14

would Instagram the crap

49:17

out of that. Wikipedia has told

49:19

me that and the Google was

49:21

kind of to pop that out

49:23

for me. I want to give

49:25

credit where credit is due. I

49:27

did not do a really deep

49:29

research into baklava. What I know

49:31

about baklava is that chiefly that

49:33

like occasionally on British

49:35

bakoff they will have them

49:37

make feelo pastry, feelo dough

49:40

by hand and it's ridiculous

49:42

and it's guaranteed failure and at some

49:44

point... it is mentioned just simply as

49:46

a point of fact that this is

49:48

exactly the reason why nobody makes it

49:50

from scratch because you can just go

49:52

to a good supermarket and just buy

49:54

feelo dough pre-made. It's that stuff where

49:56

there's a lump of dough that's about

49:59

the size of I don't know, maybe

50:01

like a soft ball or a

50:03

candle or something like that. And you

50:05

have to stretch it out so

50:07

that it fills an entire, it covers

50:09

the area of like an entire

50:11

ping pong table. It's translucent, it's tissue

50:13

thin. And if you do anything

50:15

wrong and either mixing the dough or

50:17

stretching it out, it tears and

50:19

that's it. You got to, you know,

50:21

you're a failure and you have

50:23

to, you know, go home with your

50:25

head in shame. Just

50:27

go to the store with a few

50:29

dollars, buy a packet of phyllo dough,

50:31

they're professionals. They have machinery, they have training,

50:33

they have experience, okay? And

50:35

they don't judge you. I felt

50:38

the same way about

50:40

puff pastry, okay? I will

50:42

make my own pie

50:44

crust because it's not that difficult. You'll

50:46

burn through two or three when you're trying

50:48

to learn how to do it. But then

50:50

you'll realize, oh, what was I worried about?

50:52

It really isn't that difficult, okay? And you

50:54

can also put so much more butter in

50:56

it than with a pre -made thing. Anyway,

50:58

but when it comes to like puff pastry

51:00

again, it's something that I've always wanted to

51:02

make. I've seen it

51:04

like since before the YouTube days when

51:07

there are 10 ,000 people demonstrating how

51:09

to make puff pastry, but

51:11

in the same amount of time, there

51:13

are stores that will sell you a

51:15

block of puff pastry dough. And so

51:17

instead of like spending all day like

51:19

trying to get all these micro flaky

51:22

buttery layers going, you can just on

51:24

the spur of the moment like while

51:26

you're doing your shopping for dinner tonight,

51:28

think, oh yeah, you know what? When

51:30

I finished that like chicken stew, I

51:33

should like when I pull it, for the

51:36

last like 10 minutes, wouldn't be great to

51:38

like put a layer of like puff pastry

51:40

dough on the top of the little casserole

51:42

and so that when it comes out of

51:44

the oven, it'll be like sort of like

51:46

a chicken pot pie with this pastry cover.

51:48

I don't want to spend three hours working

51:50

on pastry. Hey, wait a minute. I

51:53

have like $4. I

51:56

can make another $4 very soon. And

51:58

I want myself - my special friend

52:00

to have this lovely puff pastry sort

52:02

of thing. That's how easy it is.

52:05

Again, shame has no place in any

52:07

kitchen. Depends on what you do in

52:09

the kitchen. When it comes to

52:11

cooking, let's say, there is very little

52:13

shame in the kitchen. So just buy

52:15

that stuff. Buy your own phyllo dough.

52:17

Okay, I should really get back to

52:19

this Android 16 thing. Not very much

52:22

by the way of features yet.

52:24

Again, it is not just a developer

52:26

edition. It is a developer preview, not

52:28

just a developer preview, but the first edition

52:30

of a developer preview. So yeah, there's

52:32

not a whole lot to really show

52:34

off yet. But

52:36

the second big surprise, and this

52:38

is something that I was

52:40

especially excited about, is that you

52:42

can install Android 16,

52:45

the developer preview one edition

52:47

on Pixel 6 series phones.

52:50

What a great surprise

52:52

that was because

52:54

the Pixel 6 series, have the

52:57

Pixel 6 Pro is only

52:59

guaranteed to receive major software updates

53:01

through October 2024. So I

53:03

was guaranteed pretty much to get

53:05

Android 15. No promises about

53:07

anything beyond that. Now, this

53:10

is super, super early days. It's

53:12

possible if the only reason

53:14

why it will work, you can

53:16

install it on Android 16,

53:18

excuse me, on the Pixel 6,

53:20

is that so little of

53:22

it has actually been created. Okay,

53:24

it's very, very possible that

53:26

by the time you get to

53:28

the later stage developer editions

53:30

or the early stage public betas,

53:32

that's when you'll have the

53:34

really wonderful multi -windowing capability and

53:36

the super hyper proactive task management

53:38

feature that the Tensor version one

53:40

chip absolutely does not want

53:43

any part of. It's screaming,

53:45

I should be in Florida

53:48

and I've seen your living condo playing

53:50

golf and shovel board and complaining

53:52

about stuff. I should not be

53:54

forced to overheat this badly, just

53:56

trying to move one of these

53:58

new style windows from. the phone

54:00

screen to the 4k HDR display you've

54:02

got this phone to hooked up

54:04

to But I've got

54:07

my I've got my fingers crossed

54:09

if Android 16 works with the

54:11

Pixel 6 Pro when it's actually

54:13

released I Was

54:15

planning on buying a new phone next

54:17

year because again The I it's my

54:19

my phone still works fine But

54:21

I I feel as though

54:24

I've done my penance by by

54:26

keeping my phone until there's no

54:28

longer like a major OS update

54:30

for it but Would

54:33

give me the opportunity of saying hey if I'm

54:35

not really excited about whatever the new Pixel phone

54:38

is the new Samsung their iPhone is I could

54:40

just use this from another year. Can't I? That's

54:43

always very very nice Well, that's

54:45

it for material 491 and that's it

54:47

for this run of solo shows cuz

54:49

flow will be returning next week Hooray

54:51

hurrah Thank you everybody for sticking with

54:53

the show during this two -month detour

54:55

through my synaptic misfireings As I've indicated

54:57

I've had a lot of fun with

54:59

different formats and playing with different ways

55:01

of doing the show A lot of

55:03

it is hey I think I'm gonna

55:05

script the entire thing from start to

55:07

finish to make sure that I've got

55:09

every word just right and Some

55:11

of it has been you know what I

55:13

think I'm gonna try to just make sure I a

55:15

good Outline of where I want to go and

55:18

see where where my thoughts take me sometimes it takes

55:20

me You know

55:22

to an evil clown

55:25

boasting about how we all float

55:27

down here. I

55:29

Got I think I got us out of there pretty

55:31

nicely I mean it was it was an adventure it was

55:33

an adventure and I'm glad that you were

55:35

on this adventure with me You might not

55:37

share the same feeling I should probably conclude

55:39

right now Anyway, hope you all be back with

55:41

us next week until then please have a

55:43

happy safe and healthy seven days. Bye. Bye You