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Darrow and nobody knows what her

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intentions are, she's just standing

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there. Did you see that? Okay, so I was

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reading, I kind of want to go,

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so obviously I'm going to eventually go

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see her, like the next time I

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go into the city, I'll take Bart from

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Embarked Arrow, I'll walk down there, because

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I just want to go see this

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giant statue of a naked lady. As

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you can imagine all the memes about

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it have been really rude as you

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can imagine and because I've been following

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it on the SF Bay

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Area sub-redits I've been following

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it in the newspapers and

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on social media and

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so apparently apparently it's a

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burning man like art yeah it was

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art that that was at burning

1:52

man and so they decided

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let's make it a permanent

1:56

installation in San Francisco So

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It's a woman born from the male gaze. Yeah. That's the

2:02

other thing. It's I mean, it's a male artist who is behind

2:04

this statue. Okay. It's, see, I never know like how to process.

2:06

I think like maybe like my generation is sort of on the

2:08

border because like I am a fan of art. I'm not like

2:10

an art, a fiction auto. It's more like, I spend a

2:12

lot of time like looking at art looking at art looking

2:14

at art, like I spend a lot of time like looking

2:16

at art looking at art looking at art looking at art,

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like looking at art, like looking at art, like looking at

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art, like looking at art, like looking at art, like, like,

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like looking at art, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

2:28

like, like, like, like Okay, yeah, the female

2:31

form, from the point of view

2:33

of the male gaze, very

2:35

much a thing. And oftentimes,

2:37

like Edward Manet, like subverted

2:40

that in really cool ways.

2:42

It's also like really cool,

2:44

like painting and really cool,

2:47

figural stuff. And like, it's

2:49

such a beautiful figure. Like,

2:51

it's not really sexualized,

2:54

it's like this lattice

2:56

steel. It's his thing, by

2:58

the way. The artist's name

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is Marco Cochran. He's from

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Petaluma, which those of

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you who are familiar with

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Twit, you know, that's where

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Leo LaPort had the HQ.

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So it's, he's living out

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in here in the Bay Area.

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And his thing is he makes

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really big sculptures of

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women. Oh, but

3:23

he does. Oh, he has a

3:25

sculpture. He did a sculpture

3:27

sculpture of a man. He

3:29

did a sculpture of different

3:31

body types. So, okay,

3:33

he's not just... But his

3:35

thing is burning man. Yeah,

3:38

exactly. I mean, there's...

3:40

Which is so very

3:42

San Francisco. I gotta be honest.

3:44

Yeah. I mean, we're... I don't want

3:46

to tip our hat to the show

3:48

T's too soon, but there's also we

3:50

have one story that comes from like

3:53

the quasi intellectual burning man. And so

3:55

there's so there's a lot of connotations

3:57

to the stuff that happens at burning

3:59

man. But the sculptures there are

4:01

really really really they're monumental and

4:03

very pretty it's too bad that

4:05

that I Can't I couldn't believe

4:08

like the story coming out that

4:10

so they originally planned to cite

4:12

this in Union Square Which seemed

4:14

like such a wonderful idea because

4:16

it would be surrounded by buildings

4:18

surrounded by trees and then it

4:20

was only like a shopping. Yeah,

4:22

well that too, but like it

4:25

was just how nice to like

4:27

not like in this sort of

4:29

like kind of sunbeaten like open

4:31

area. It's just like you turn

4:33

a corner and oh my God,

4:36

that's what I think I was

4:38

expecting and wasn't until like

4:40

very very late in the games

4:42

and hey, how much is that statue

4:44

way? Like, uh, blah, wow, that's that's

4:46

a lot. How much weight can

4:48

that part of easy square take?

4:51

Ooh, that number is larger than

4:53

that number, isn't it? Because I

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thought that when the headlines were

4:57

like, not dramatic headlines, but they're

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just saying, oh, well, it turns

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out that at the last minute,

5:04

it won't be going there as

5:06

it were, neither, oh God, who

5:08

propests? Because of the delicate

5:10

tile surface. The delicate tile

5:13

surface. The delicate, sorry. That's,

5:15

I'm sorry. You know why that's

5:17

so funny to me? And I'm

5:20

laughing about this, I'm being so

5:22

Bay Area right now. And I

5:24

want everyone who's listening to forgive

5:26

me. I don't get to indulge

5:28

where I live very often, especially

5:31

lately, because a lot of people

5:33

are like, oh, a barrier sucks,

5:35

no. But I'm laughing, you know,

5:37

because they put an ice rink

5:39

in Union Square every winter, but

5:42

they couldn't put a 32,000

5:44

pound sculpture. I mean, okay, that.

5:46

That's wild to me. That's

5:49

so wild. Anyway, it's probably

5:51

better at Embargadero because it'll

5:53

make it, it's honestly more

5:55

accessible that way. True. Because

5:57

that's a major transportation

5:59

route. for people not just in

6:02

San Francisco. So I, Andy, when

6:04

I go see it, I will send you

6:06

a picture. I was gonna try and

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go this weekend, but I think that,

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I don't think I have the energy

6:13

to go into the city. Yeah, having

6:15

just returned from Los

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Angeles. Yeah, and I'm really tired.

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So let's just tease that. We

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our members this week. We're going

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Dutch gentleman. Yes. I

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am looking forward to this because

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I don't know much about... I'm

6:39

saving everything to tell Andy. Yeah, he

6:42

doesn't even know what I'm going to

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really do appreciate it. Before we get

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to like news, new stuff, this topic

7:20

I've been really looking forward to talking

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to you about. I didn't know whether

7:24

it was gonna be like conversation or

7:26

whether there's gonna be like a news

7:29

thing. It felt like more like conversation.

7:31

I finally got like Gemini Live with

7:33

camera. like on my pixels. Me too. Yeah,

7:35

I've been using it. I've been

7:37

using it as well. Now, how

7:40

has your experience been? Oh my God,

7:42

so good. And before I start. Lucky.

7:44

There's a, oh dear, okay, but

7:46

there's so just a general tip

7:48

for people. If you've been reading

7:50

and hearing from us that, hey,

7:52

well, this is this new feature

7:54

is going to be is going

7:56

to be being pushed out in

7:58

at stage in stages like. Everyone

8:00

will eventually get it, but some people

8:02

have already saw it. Here's what they're

8:04

talking about. Oftentimes, and if you keep

8:07

like hitting refresh or keep like going

8:09

to the Google Play store and trying

8:11

to update your Google app, oftentimes it's

8:13

possible that you got the update, but

8:15

it hasn't been applied yet. And so

8:17

I got frustrated and did the bad

8:20

thing, which is to like, swipe up,

8:22

swipe up to reveal like options for

8:24

the app and say, terminate this app

8:26

right now. And then the next time

8:28

you launch it, it will launch like

8:31

the fresh version that it just

8:33

updated to. And boom, hey, wonderful.

8:35

Now Gemini Live has a button

8:37

for, oh yeah, no, please access

8:39

my camera, please right now, access

8:42

my screen. So the first thing

8:44

that I tried it with, like really

8:46

for real, like what I love about

8:48

Gemini is that more times than

8:51

not, not every time, but more

8:53

times than not. I will start

8:55

off with something that I don't

8:57

think will work and it works

8:59

beautifully. Like this is way, I'm asking

9:01

way too much. So I'm at the

9:04

library and like I've said so many

9:06

times, my local library, like they accept

9:08

books and DVDs and CDs

9:10

and puzzles and games donations. So

9:13

there's like a little like store

9:15

where you can buy this stuff.

9:17

And so I activated Gemini Live, turn on

9:19

the camera. and just like started

9:21

browsing the shelves of these books

9:23

and as a wow it's wow

9:25

you have a big big collection

9:27

are you looking for a book

9:29

you're just browsing and without even

9:31

like realizing that I'm testing out

9:34

a new feature or like getting

9:36

into like I need to collect

9:38

information so I can talk about

9:40

this later I was just saying

9:42

oh yeah I'm just kind of

9:44

browsing like I'm trying to look

9:46

for something kind of light-hearted and

9:48

meanwhile I'm just like As I myself am

9:50

scanning like just looking at the the

9:52

spines of the books I'm just like

9:54

passing like the camera along like with

9:57

my line of sight and saying I'm

9:59

the. for something that's kind of light-hearted,

10:01

kind of fun. Serious is okay, I

10:04

just don't want it to be a

10:06

big, big downer. They're okay, well, how

10:08

about such and such book by such

10:10

and such? Like it's a light-hearted summary

10:13

of the book, like it's like, oh,

10:15

and I would say like, oh, what

10:17

book is that? Oh, it's the blue

10:19

book with a something, something spine. I

10:22

said, oh, well, and asked some questions

10:24

about, oh, okay, maybe not that. and

10:26

then like we'd be having a conversation

10:28

about like authors and books that it

10:30

has like kind of noted and sort

10:33

of I'm not like giving it a

10:35

query I'm not even giving it a

10:37

I'm not even like talking to it

10:39

like I'm trying to you know give

10:42

a feeder line to an AI I'm

10:44

just having it's like it's like I've

10:46

I'm in like a Google meat call

10:48

with a friend of mine who reads

10:51

a lot of books and we're just

10:53

And even doing things like we're so

10:55

I'm still like scanning books like that.

10:57

And again when I say scanning I

11:00

don't mean boom boom I mean just

11:02

just like I'm laying my eyes like

11:04

pass from like title to title shelf

11:06

to shelf and then said oh that

11:08

sounds good. Where was that like what

11:11

shelf was that on? Like oh that

11:13

was on the second shelf like okay

11:15

I'm looking at I don't see it

11:17

I don't see it. I don't see

11:20

it. I look for look for the

11:22

book by Edwin something something something something.

11:24

It's right next to that one. And

11:26

then, like, I'd pull it off the

11:29

shelf and ask for information about, like,

11:31

the book that I'm looking at right

11:33

now, I actually bought a book based

11:35

on, like, that conversation. And that was,

11:38

that was the sort of thing that

11:40

I was really expecting it to not

11:42

really work or work kind of halfway,

11:44

but that was, it's so typical of

11:46

what a good experience with Gemini is

11:49

like, where I forget that I'm trying

11:51

to mess, make it mess up. So

11:53

I'm trying to give it something that's

11:55

too difficult. And now I'm just sort

11:58

of like solving a problem or having

12:00

an exploration with this thing. And there

12:02

are a couple other things that are

12:04

kind of like that. I've not had

12:07

a bad experience, I think. with Gemini

12:09

Live with camera. I'm really, really pleased

12:11

with it. Also, can I say that

12:13

I'm pleased that it's, I've got like

12:16

now a three-year-old four-year-old phone and it

12:18

works perfectly fine with it. I didn't

12:20

have to like, oh, sorry, you don't

12:22

have the, who's been watching chip with

12:25

16 gigabytes of RAM? Oh, no, I'm

12:27

sorry. Like, okay. I don't care. If

12:29

you gave us your money once, that's

12:31

good enough. That's good enough. I knew

12:33

that you could do that with Gemini

12:36

Live, but I didn't actually think about

12:38

doing any of that with Gemini Live

12:40

because every time I jump into it,

12:42

I'm kind of not quite sure how

12:45

to get started. It is a lot

12:47

like going on a date with somebody

12:49

new and you have to, you know,

12:51

think about things to talk about. And

12:54

when I was testing it because I

12:56

was testing it teaser on the pixel

12:58

9A, I, um... I had a really

13:00

good first experience with it where it

13:03

properly identified all of the virtual pets

13:05

and the figurines that I have around

13:07

my desk. I was going around and

13:09

I was like, I was pretending that

13:11

I threw away the boxes from all

13:14

the stuff that was on my desk.

13:16

And so I was trying to get

13:18

Google to look up the series or

13:20

the title, you know, of the virtual

13:23

pets or the little blind box figurines

13:25

I have around here. And for the

13:27

most part I did okay, the only

13:29

time I got stumped is on this

13:32

one, I have this one, I'm gonna

13:34

describe it to you, I have this

13:36

one like pixel-looking Tamagachi toy, and so

13:38

it looks pixelated, and it thought that

13:41

it was a Minecraft toy, and it

13:43

kept saying it was a Minecraft toy,

13:45

and I kept trying to correct it,

13:47

and then it would still say it

13:49

was a Minecraft toy, and I think

13:52

it's not a Minecraft toy. And then

13:54

after that is when I... kind of

13:56

stopped I was like this is getting

13:58

ridiculous yeah but the book thing I

14:01

didn't even you know what is I'm

14:03

gonna try it I'm gonna try it

14:05

again this weekend I'm gonna see I'm

14:07

gonna I wonder if Gem and I

14:10

can help me like think of ways

14:12

to I I don't want a veer

14:14

too off topic but I I've been

14:16

dealing with a different AI and I'm

14:19

wondering if I can what I've been

14:21

doing with a different AI and I'm

14:23

wondering if I've been doing with a

14:25

different AI Okay, the TLDR is that

14:27

I have been using aura rings new

14:30

AI that they just released. I've been

14:32

using it for like my health and

14:34

wellness and like psychological wellness journey as

14:36

well. I've been like using it for

14:39

psychological stuff. Right. I don't know how

14:41

to explain it for like talking to

14:43

myself and trying to like help myself

14:45

get out of a funk. I'm very

14:48

curious if Gemini live could do something

14:50

where when I sometimes I have I'll

14:52

have like a moment of, not even

14:54

a moment, I'll just be having a

14:57

day where I'm so overwhelmed by all

14:59

the thoughts hitting me that I cannot

15:01

decide what to do first. Yeah. I

15:03

would love AI to help me with

15:05

that. I would love to be able

15:08

to open up the camera and say

15:10

like this is my world right now.

15:12

I needed to help me figure out

15:14

like what should I try to do

15:17

first? Here's the list that I have

15:19

to do. Should I try and tackle

15:21

that pile of clothing in the corner?

15:23

Or should I try and go downstairs

15:26

and take care of stuff down there?

15:28

Like that's... That's... Yeah. That's a... I

15:30

know that's a really specific thing. But

15:32

that's a beautiful example. But that's what

15:35

I... That's good. That's what I think

15:37

of as context. Like that's the context

15:39

that I want to do with AI.

15:41

And I love your book thing because

15:43

that's something I did not think of

15:46

to look through the library and say

15:48

what I should read. But that's also

15:50

because I don't have a traditional library

15:52

library anymore. But yeah,

15:55

I mean, that's I mean, I

15:57

gotta say that that's just just

15:59

the idea of oh wow that

16:01

does sound interesting, where was that?

16:03

And visually, it can guide me

16:05

to where that book is, which

16:08

is not something that I could

16:10

do, like if I just send

16:12

it a photograph. That's why I

16:14

think it can be more contextual.

16:16

That's why I'm kind of, that's

16:18

why I'm so hard on it,

16:20

because they're like, oh, look at

16:23

this, you can remember where you

16:25

placed objects? And I'm like, great.

16:27

So I have ADHD. How are

16:29

you going to help me in

16:31

the ways that my brain is

16:33

not wired to do so? Because

16:36

that's the way I see this

16:38

stuff actually being helpful. I will

16:40

say also, I think I did

16:42

with Gemini Live the other day,

16:44

this was great. I, so you

16:46

know, my daughter, little kids, they

16:49

come home, they have a folder

16:51

in their backpack and it's always

16:53

filled with paper. Okay, God bless

16:55

the teachers of America. They hate

16:57

trees so freaking much. No, I

16:59

mean listen, I understand this is

17:01

the job, it involves a lot

17:04

of paper, and it's good because

17:06

honestly I see the paper way

17:08

more often than I do the

17:10

online virtual stuff they send us.

17:12

But the other day I got

17:14

this flyer's like, hey, you know,

17:17

come check out, like here's a

17:19

preview night for the class your

17:21

kid is going to be in

17:23

next year, you can come one

17:25

of three nights. And I was

17:27

like, oh crap, I need to

17:30

add that to my Google calendar

17:32

so that I can add my

17:34

husband to it and then we

17:36

can remember to choose one of

17:38

those dates. Because we both struggle

17:40

a lot with this stuff. I

17:42

opened up Gemini Live. I looked

17:45

at the paper and I said,

17:47

can you put all of these

17:49

dates into my Google calendar for

17:51

me, please? And then it said,

17:53

sure, I just need access to

17:55

your Google calendar first. So I

17:58

finally gave it access. And it

18:00

just went in and did it

18:02

did it perfectly. And did it

18:04

perfectly. Three separate dates, all at

18:06

the times that were listed on

18:08

that flyer. Sent to my Google

18:11

calendar, and I was like, exactly.

18:13

This is what it's supposed to

18:15

be doing. Yeah. Like, okay, now

18:17

I'm seeing it. So that's why

18:19

I'm not as much of a

18:21

skeptic as maybe other people are,

18:23

but I am going to be

18:26

really hard on it because I

18:28

have really specific things I want

18:30

AI to do. And until it

18:32

solves those problems, it solves nothing.

18:34

It's just, it's still a gimmick.

18:36

Yeah, one of the things that

18:39

I think that everybody, every big

18:41

company that's trying to pull off

18:43

something with AI. A cool demo

18:45

is not going to cut it.

18:47

You have to, you're not just

18:49

trying to convince like eight people

18:52

at like a venture capital firm

18:54

to give you $50 million so

18:56

you could continue to make payroll

18:58

for another year. Like you have

19:00

to convince now how many millions

19:02

of people should see this tool

19:04

and recognize something that will some

19:07

pain point in their professional personal

19:09

or. you know, spiritual life that

19:11

will be sanded, sanded down smooth

19:13

and flush by the use of

19:15

AI. And that's, that's why I'm,

19:17

I'm generally liking Gemini. Also, partly

19:20

because of its general approach, like

19:22

open AI and even Claude, they

19:24

often get the, they often take

19:26

the, they often take the role

19:28

of like a partner or someone

19:30

that's a partner or someone that's

19:33

being given a task to do,

19:35

whereas Gemini, in all the different

19:37

ways that it articulates itself, is

19:39

generally, no, I'm here to help

19:41

you brainstorm stuff in and of

19:43

yourself. I'm not gonna tell you,

19:45

I'm not gonna recommend you a

19:48

book, we're gonna have a conversation

19:50

about books that you like, and

19:52

we're going to, like, and. As

19:54

we're having the conversation about books,

19:56

like I didn't say, again, the

19:58

first thing I said was I'm

20:01

looking for something light-hearted, not too

20:03

heavy, like just something that'll be

20:05

entertaining, and like as the conversation

20:07

progressed. And he said, well, how

20:09

about this book? It's about so

20:11

and so. I said, oh, well,

20:14

I like mysteries, but is that,

20:16

like, is it murders? Is it

20:18

like people who are, you know,

20:20

powerless to, powerless against forces of

20:22

evil? It helps you to brainstorm,

20:24

like, or at least for this

20:26

one moment in this collection of

20:29

100 or 200 books I'm looking

20:31

at, like what I'd be interested

20:33

at. That's, I find a lot

20:35

more peaceful than the idea of.

20:37

AI that is being pitched as,

20:39

oh, no, no, don't do your

20:42

homework. We'll do your homework for

20:44

you. Like, no, no, no, no,

20:46

don't have feelings. We'll explain what

20:48

your feelings should be. Like, don't,

20:50

no, no, no, don't write, don't

20:52

write, oh, God, there was a,

20:55

there's a thing piece that I,

20:57

I wish I'd written it down,

20:59

but it was someone needed to

21:01

write a toast. And I'm like,

21:03

and they were there walking through

21:05

this, this writer, like what, how

21:07

AI had helped them as an,

21:10

oh God, you're supposed to like

21:12

speak from the heart and you're

21:14

supposed to like, the AI should

21:16

not give you a speech and

21:18

you shouldn't like, oh, well, I

21:20

want you to fix this and

21:23

this or make it more like

21:25

this. I feel as though Gemini

21:27

have given that task would be,

21:29

okay, well, what do you, what

21:31

kind of relationship do you have

21:33

with your brother? Like, do you

21:36

want to, do you want to

21:38

kind of poke fun? Do you

21:40

want to really speak from, oftentimes

21:42

is an opportunity to speak, like,

21:44

about your true feelings of love

21:46

that you might not have a

21:48

chance to do, like, and when

21:51

you're just, you know, when you're

21:53

playing softball together, that's, I think

21:55

that its approach is correct. Although,

21:57

we should move on, but I

21:59

can't let, I don't know, something

22:01

about talking about a, two trillion

22:04

dollar company and leap and heaping

22:06

praise upon one of his products.

22:08

I have to like give the

22:10

downside as well. Like I. I

22:12

keep reminding myself that like, particularly

22:14

with Gemini, either it will give

22:17

me spectacularly good results right away.

22:19

And maybe we can modify it,

22:21

maybe we can continue to develop

22:23

it, but first out of the

22:25

gate, boom, you did what I

22:27

asked you to do, this is

22:29

really great. Now, now that I

22:32

see it, I have a good

22:34

idea of how we can improve

22:36

it. Or I will just keep.

22:38

It will not do it right.

22:40

And I'm talking mostly about coding,

22:42

actually. It will not do it

22:45

right. And I have so much

22:47

faith. Or maybe I'm just being

22:49

a nurturer, trying to be a

22:51

parent, saying, okay, I can see

22:53

where you're going here. Unfortunately, I

22:55

just ran that code and it's

22:58

not putting, it's not surrounding things

23:00

with quotes like the way it

23:02

should. A few days ago, I

23:04

was trying to automate a process

23:06

where I'm taking a table of

23:08

data and reformatic so I can

23:10

just like turn into a blog

23:13

post as is. I said, okay,

23:15

but like I said, when I

23:17

specified what I want, in the

23:19

prompt, item number six was that

23:21

this is, you can't style the

23:23

text in rich text, it has

23:26

to be only with mark down

23:28

tags, mark down language, and the

23:30

output has to be just plain

23:32

text. Okay, now with that in

23:34

mind, can you do it again

23:36

and remember? And remember. I'm going

23:39

to be editing this and a

23:41

markdown editor that does not recognize

23:43

rich text at all. Like, okay,

23:45

I'm sorry, sorry about that. I'm

23:47

with that in mind, here's the

23:49

new version of the text. Like,

23:51

okay, I see though that you

23:54

still have not followed the instruction.

23:56

And I find, I don't know,

23:58

maybe it's also a commentary on

24:00

me. Oh, so to button what

24:02

I'm saying. So I feel as

24:04

though, like I have to. It's

24:07

almost if I have to have

24:09

like a pomodoro clock going any

24:11

time like I wanted to do

24:13

like this coding related it's like

24:15

okay 20 minutes actually more it

24:17

should be like five okay five

24:20

minutes if you if it does

24:22

not give me like exactly what

24:24

I asked for in five minutes

24:26

I'm not going to invest any

24:28

more time in this because on

24:30

that day like I've spent 30

24:32

minutes thinking that you're so close

24:35

to doing this correctly. I was

24:37

trying to make a Gemini gem

24:39

so I could automate it. This

24:41

is a tool that I would

24:43

be using like once a week.

24:45

And it's like, okay, because I've

24:48

done enough coding to know that,

24:50

okay, yes, I'm investing three hours

24:52

of writing, of writing code to

24:54

do this, but that means that

24:56

for the rest of the foreseeable

24:58

future, I will never have to

25:01

do this manually ever again. But

25:03

I forgot that. No, I'm trying

25:05

to get Gemini to do that

25:07

to give me some code that

25:09

I can use. And if I

25:11

don't get it within five minutes,

25:13

it's just thrown away. So something

25:16

to think of moving forward. Although

25:18

I'll just I'll just button it

25:20

by saying that Gemini has been

25:22

just improving like steadily over the

25:24

past year. So it's like it

25:26

starts off good and then it

25:29

just keeps getting better. So I'm

25:31

very happy spending 20 bucks a

25:33

month for bonus features, so to

25:35

speak, because I keep using it

25:37

more and more and I'm very

25:39

very pleased with what's going on.

25:42

I need to figure out how

25:44

to use gems. You and I

25:46

have to have a sidebar chat

25:48

about that. Yeah, I still need,

25:50

I feel as though I need

25:52

to like do some academic study

25:54

on what a gem is. Yeah,

25:57

yeah. Every time I think, oh,

25:59

well, I was going to just

26:01

like write an automated script automation

26:03

on my Mac to do this,

26:05

or I'll write this as a

26:07

Python script, but gee, but it

26:10

seems like something I should be

26:12

able to do as a gem.

26:14

And then, yeah, yeah, I just

26:16

wish I'd, I will say in

26:18

Gemini's defense that every time that

26:20

I just say. Give me a

26:23

regular expression that does this like

26:25

a reject second feed into like

26:27

said or grab like a command

26:29

line like terminal tool It will

26:31

give me either the exact right

26:33

answer or I can see where

26:35

I screwed up and not being

26:38

specific enough But it's close enough

26:40

to what I need that I

26:42

know I can modify it so

26:44

it's still very useful. Oh what

26:46

I really will button up is

26:48

saying is that I was being

26:51

a little bit passive aggressive like

26:53

it's at the very very end.

26:55

I'm like I was trying to

26:57

be like psychologically manipulative in a

26:59

way that like oh boss to

27:01

the AI I was trying to

27:04

do that I said because I

27:06

because I oh okay my language

27:08

was changing to say I wonder

27:10

we seem to have a problem

27:12

in that I keep asking you

27:14

to fulfill this number six in

27:16

this prompt you keep telling me

27:19

acknowledging you're not doing it correctly

27:21

saying that you'll fix it and

27:23

do it again and then you

27:25

repeat the same mistake Can you

27:27

identify, like, why you're doing that?

27:29

There is, I'm sorry, blah, blah,

27:32

blah. And then finally, like, this

27:34

is where, like, I didn't scare

27:36

myself, but I thought that if

27:38

this were a real human being,

27:40

I would be embarrassed. I would

27:42

be a little bit ashamed by

27:45

myself. I said, well, frankly, I

27:47

think we're at an impasse. I

27:49

think that you're unable to perform

27:51

this task, and therefore I can't

27:53

have you helping me on this

27:55

project. And so I'm sorry I

27:57

wasn't able to wasn't able to

28:00

help you, wasn't able to help

28:02

you, wasn't able to help you.

28:04

It was doing it was doing

28:06

it responded that wow you just

28:08

broke up I was I don't

28:10

know I was like hoping that

28:13

maybe I was doing a little

28:15

bit of testing there too I

28:17

was sort of wondering like is

28:19

it gonna say oh my god

28:21

I don't want to be fired

28:23

I'm gonna like please like let's

28:26

let's let's tap into some more

28:28

like energy reserves to make sure

28:30

that you know what I wish

28:32

it would do that because then

28:34

it would normalize humans doing that's

28:36

what I'm saying A, I see

28:38

it just as hysterical, okay, because

28:41

it is an emotional thing to

28:43

be called out at work, okay?

28:45

This is very interesting to me

28:47

from, this is anthropology. Well, speaking

28:49

of work, we're gonna start off

28:51

in the show today. You've got

28:54

the Pixel 9A, you wrote about

28:56

for Gizmo, Gizmoto, so we're starting

28:58

up by talking about the new

29:00

pixel. Also, Google did. has been

29:02

speaking, Google's been speaking its hat

29:04

off. So there's Google Cloud Next,

29:07

which is their big like Dog

29:09

and Pony Show to like explain

29:11

what it's doing with for its

29:13

cloud customers to its cloud customers.

29:15

A couple of really nice announcements

29:17

will try to like be a

29:19

little bit broad about that. They

29:22

also had the person, the head

29:24

of like Android XR spoke, the

29:26

TED conference is in Vancouver. this

29:28

week. So he showed off some

29:30

AR. Beautiful city. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I'm

29:32

sorry. What would you say? I

29:35

said beautiful city. Vancouver's a beautiful

29:37

city. Sorry. Sorry. I was. Sorry.

29:39

That's all. It's such a beautiful

29:41

city. I had to interrupt you

29:43

to let people know. I enjoyed

29:45

visiting it even though it is

29:48

so expensive. Yeah. Oh, and the

29:50

last thing, hope we get a

29:52

chance to talk about this. Google

29:54

is getting a redesigned home page.

29:56

I don't know. And I found

29:58

myself surprisingly having feelings about it.

30:00

So we can talk a little

30:03

bit about that. But we'll get

30:05

to that right right after this

30:07

break. So I know we talked

30:09

about the Pixel 9A when it

30:11

was announced. Boy was Google generous

30:13

with like us pundits saying, not

30:16

only like, oh, wow, here's the

30:18

new like budget. this year's addition

30:20

of like the lower priced budget

30:22

pixel phone. Oh, also apparently we

30:24

screwed up something real bad. So

30:26

we can't tell you we thought

30:29

we'd be able to like send

30:31

you home with hardware and like

30:33

tell you when people can preorder

30:35

it. We're really not sure right

30:37

now. But whatever it was, they

30:39

must have fixed it because you

30:41

haven't and you've written about for

30:44

Gismoto. What were your thoughts about

30:46

it? What were my thoughts about

30:48

it? That is a great question,

30:50

isn't it? Well, my thoughts were

30:52

that I really, I really have

30:54

a hard time. There is no

30:57

reason for me to be buying

30:59

the Pixel Pro. There is no

31:01

reason. There is really no reason.

31:03

I think that the A series,

31:05

first of all, it is Tifretat

31:07

up against the iPhone 16. These

31:10

are like I know real but

31:12

iPhone is six hundred dollars not

31:14

five hundred. Okay. That's the Apple

31:16

tax. That's what you pay to

31:18

enter the ecosystem You know that

31:20

that's what you're getting into and

31:22

that that is worth a hundred

31:25

dollars for a lot of people

31:27

What the pixel 9a is more

31:29

about is truncating? experience is on

31:31

there. Boy, I hope I said

31:33

that. Yeah. It is the same

31:35

strategy that the iPhone 16e has,

31:38

right? These are like, this is

31:40

the essential phone, which means it

31:42

doesn't have, it doesn't have things

31:44

like blazing fast charging speeds. You

31:46

know, it doesn't have multiple cameras,

31:48

but it actually has two cameras.

31:51

Yeah. It only has one camera?

31:53

It doesn't have like fast charging,

31:55

but it does have wireless charging

31:57

on like the 16E. It's on

31:59

the pixel stand too right now.

32:01

Yeah, I've charged it up today

32:03

on it. Yeah. It charged slowly

32:06

because it charges a 7.5 watts.

32:08

Yeah. I read. So you can

32:10

have a race between like the

32:12

pixel 9A and your earbuds. Right.

32:14

It's wireless charging. Seriously. Seriously. Really,

32:16

I really do like this generation.

32:19

I think this is one of

32:21

my favorites in a long time

32:23

because I'm really into the aesthetics

32:25

of where the pixel is going.

32:27

I think it's really interesting the

32:29

way that they dialed down that

32:32

rear camera sensor to just kind

32:34

of be this little bean. I

32:36

think it's really I think it's

32:38

really cool that they did that

32:40

I like that because it doesn't

32:42

protrude and I thought that the

32:44

protrusion on last year's pixel 8a

32:47

was kind of you know like

32:49

this is nice this is nice

32:51

and You know, it's so interesting

32:53

to see what these companies are

32:55

copying each other with regard to

32:57

design because The backside is It's

33:00

the same backside as the iPhone

33:02

16e just in Google's likeness This

33:04

is a very this is a

33:06

simple phone. There's one little camera

33:08

module there That's it. This is

33:10

all the simplicities now What I

33:13

thought was interesting is that Google

33:15

It bundled in a lot of

33:17

AI into this. Most of what

33:19

you can do on the pros

33:21

in the regular pixel nine. Pixel

33:23

screenshots is not available. I do

33:25

my hankering. My hankering is that

33:28

it's a RAM thing. But my

33:30

hankering is it's a RAM thing

33:32

because this phone only has eight

33:34

gigs of RAM. And I kind

33:36

of based this off of my

33:38

experience with the pixel eight. with

33:41

eight gigs of RAM and just

33:43

remembering how it's struggled to really

33:45

shuffle through apps. Eight gigs of

33:47

RAM in this current market means

33:49

you need to be really choosy

33:51

with what you're doing on your

33:54

phone. Your phone can do it,

33:56

but you're gonna have to be

33:58

really choosy about whether you're playing

34:00

a game or whether you're on

34:02

your own tick-talk or... You gotta

34:04

do one thing at a time.

34:06

Yeah, versus me, versus me on

34:09

the Pixel 9 Pro, like I

34:11

am just, I'm a hyena on

34:13

there. I'm just constantly going from

34:15

like video editing into Spotify to

34:17

shuffle the song, because Spotify is

34:19

a really resource heavy app. And

34:22

especially when you're over Bluetooth, you

34:24

start to, you start to notice

34:26

the resources that have been used

34:28

up. And then I'll jump back

34:30

into Pokemon Go to make sure

34:32

I can like grab a Pokemon

34:35

that I just walked by. But

34:37

that's what the, that's what the,

34:39

um... 16 gigs of RAM. Yes.

34:41

That's where it comes into play.

34:43

And so it really is about

34:45

the RAM stock, how much you

34:47

want to do on a phone,

34:50

but the good news is the

34:52

camera quality, because it's just what

34:54

Google does with algorithms, which is

34:56

brighten up the photo and fix

34:58

the little things here and there,

35:00

it can do the same on

35:03

this camera system that it has

35:05

here, and it's just. Compared to

35:07

the iPhone 16E, the 16E is

35:09

not, it is not the same

35:11

iPhone experience as the 16 or

35:13

16 pro. Like you'll get the

35:15

same color temperature of the photos,

35:18

you know, Apple tends to skew.

35:20

It'll look like an Apple photo,

35:22

yeah. Yeah, Apple tends to skew,

35:24

like, greens will be really green

35:26

and then whites will kind of

35:28

skew yellow, whereas pixel, especially the

35:31

latest algorithms, because they definitely change

35:33

them. I was looking at other

35:35

sites, they had done some really

35:37

good thorough, look at the 7A,

35:39

8A, and 9A, and it's really

35:41

interesting to see how they change

35:44

the algorithms with every generation. The

35:46

algorithm we're on now is a

35:48

really nice sweet spot because it

35:50

fixed what was kind of busted

35:52

in 7a 8a was just over

35:54

Over processing I think The pixel

35:56

eight series I say whatever the

35:59

algorithm This is all, by the

36:01

way, I'm all just saying this

36:03

anecdotally, okay. Well, that's the only

36:05

way to like evaluate photos. It's

36:07

like, did you, did you, I,

36:09

I, there was a, I'm, I'm

36:12

old enough. that there was a

36:14

time when like every time there

36:16

would be every time a new

36:18

flagship phone would come out I

36:20

felt it was my responsibility to

36:22

take like five different flagship phones

36:25

including the previous one of that

36:27

series to the Boston Public Library

36:29

take the exact same photos I

36:31

always do. to see like, okay,

36:33

now it can actually, in that

36:35

dim like hallway, it can actually

36:37

get details from the ceiling, but

36:40

I couldn't do it the last

36:42

time, oh, okay, well, look, it

36:44

looks like the over sharpened. Now

36:46

I stopped doing that a few

36:48

years ago because it just becomes,

36:50

there's definitely like a photo of,

36:53

if I did that, like iPhone,

36:55

Samsung, one plus pixel, throwing another

36:57

one, like there, there definitely be

36:59

one that I prefer, but I

37:01

prefer. I just kind of prefer

37:03

a little bit of sharpening. I

37:06

kind of prefer some punchy shadows

37:08

like that. Everyone else might think

37:10

differently. And like, it's any, it

37:12

feels like any flagship phone plus

37:14

five maximum 10 seconds of sliding

37:16

adjustments in the in the stock

37:18

photos editing app. They're all exactly

37:21

the same. It's like, it's, it's.

37:23

Yeah, I have difficulties because also

37:25

part of it is that they're

37:27

all good. They're all really good.

37:29

And the thing is like maybe

37:31

people don't are not trained to

37:34

think about how could this picture

37:36

be a little bit better to

37:38

my liking? Okay, that is definitely

37:40

my my son d'Artagnan standing in

37:42

front of the I fake Eiffel

37:44

Tower of Las Vegas. Great, let's

37:47

send that to Nana. Like but

37:49

but but but there's sparkles that

37:51

like should be a little bit

37:53

more sparkily and ooh you need

37:55

that though the it's the blacks

37:57

that will anchor that I don't

37:59

know what you're talking about. I

38:02

already sent it via WhatsApp and

38:04

my message, I don't care anymore.

38:06

I've moved on with my life.

38:08

Why are you thinking about this

38:10

photo again, which was just designed

38:12

to make my mom smile for

38:15

a good 12 seconds. Maybe she'll

38:17

forward it to four of her

38:19

friends and then we all move

38:21

on with our lives. Don't think

38:23

about this Mr. Anago. I have

38:25

to say it is really nice

38:28

to be here though and to

38:30

see this like perfect parody between.

38:32

Apple and Google, like every smartphone

38:34

manufacturer is pretty much doing the

38:36

same thing, which, you know, whatever,

38:38

might sound like it's boring, but

38:40

I kind of like having this

38:43

cadence to rely on. And it's

38:45

kind of nice being able to

38:47

say, well, I want the same

38:49

thing, but from an iPhone, right?

38:51

So it's like you look at

38:53

the pixel, because it also means

38:56

too that whatever Google puts out

38:58

in its A-series really has to

39:00

rival... the iPhone to a to

39:02

a point that it takes the

39:04

person away from such a powerful

39:06

ecosystem. Give your that's that's what

39:09

Google's ultimate goal is is is

39:11

our product strong enough to take

39:13

somebody away from a really powerful

39:15

robust ecosystem. Yeah. Because that's once

39:17

you're locked into Appleman it's hard

39:19

to leave. It really is hard.

39:21

It's really hard. When I switched

39:24

one of the biggest factors was

39:26

that. I had already spent like

39:28

the previous... He had to see

39:30

a support group, everyone. Thursday nights.

39:32

And it was mostly me yelling

39:34

about, no, you're stupid. Yes. Yes.

39:37

No, you have no taste. But

39:39

yeah, it's just like a year,

39:41

what made it easier was that

39:43

like a year and a half,

39:45

maybe even two years before that,

39:47

I realized that, geez, I'm using

39:50

Apple notes for, I need, a

39:52

notes app is one of the

39:54

most important things that like I

39:56

have. on my phone, but I'm

39:58

using, I'm relying on an app

40:00

that is only available on, that's

40:02

probably a bad idea, let me

40:05

take a look at Evernote or

40:07

whatever. So by the time, like

40:09

I did see an Android phone

40:11

that I liked, it was like,

40:13

no, it's going to be not

40:15

that hard to switch. And yeah,

40:18

those are pretty, pretty hard handcuffs.

40:20

So let's get on to Google

40:22

Cloud next. So this is the

40:24

big hoot. Stuff happened. They dumped

40:26

a lot of stuff. I mean,

40:28

it just goes to show. And

40:31

they, by the way, they never

40:33

do. This is why I was

40:35

kind of like, what the heck

40:37

guys, come on. but this is

40:39

this is where like they're kind

40:41

of it's not necessarily consumer focused

40:43

even though there were a bunch

40:46

of announcements that will affect consumers

40:48

they're they're mostly talk about talking

40:50

to their business customers people who

40:52

are using vertex AI to develop

40:54

like apps on the Google cloud

40:56

platform customers of Google workspace all

40:59

basically people who's being heavy like

41:01

corporate users of this thing but

41:03

when the so when the The

41:05

consumer everybody announcement was Gemini 2.5

41:07

flash. Gemini 2.5 was a big,

41:09

big leap over 2.0. I think

41:12

one of the reasons why I

41:14

can speak more positively and consistently

41:16

by Gemini, that's the difference between

41:18

2.5 and 2.0. 2.5 flash means

41:20

that. The benefits of the 2.5

41:22

model are now in the flash

41:24

version of Gemini, meaning it's faster

41:27

as cheaper to run, which is

41:29

going to be super, super important

41:31

as world planetary ecological resources continue

41:33

to dwindle and continue to be

41:35

apportioned disproportionately among us. We're going

41:37

to be thankful that one of

41:40

our oligarchical overlords has decided in

41:42

their benevolence to create an AI

41:44

that uses less energy as cheaper

41:46

to run. So that was, and

41:48

there'll be some differences in what

41:50

Flash can do versus what the

41:53

full 2.5, but I don't think

41:55

that most people will really notice

41:57

it. So that's going to be

41:59

pretty cool. But I've put these

42:01

other announcements under the title of

42:03

Gemini corn syrup in that Gemini.

42:05

It's in everything, whether you think

42:08

it's appropriate or not, whether you

42:10

want it or not, they have

42:12

to put more corn syrup in

42:14

every product you use. Although a

42:16

lot of this stuff is pretty

42:18

cool, I guess this kind of

42:21

tails back into what we're talking

42:23

about during the intro, where it's

42:25

not enough to say, wow, our

42:27

product is better. the AIness of

42:29

it. Well, no, how does it

42:31

make my, you know, how does

42:34

it make my work better? Yeah,

42:36

I mean, name, something that like

42:38

is going to be easier for

42:40

me to do. And so- Do

42:42

we mention it has AI? Exactly.

42:44

A and I don't, not just

42:46

AI, generative AI. Mmm, with T-P-U's

42:49

and stuff. I'm using my cheat

42:51

sheet here, but because I'm just

42:53

because I'm relying on a cheap

42:55

cheat cheat, it doesn't mean that

42:57

I don't know what I'm talking

42:59

about. AI, AI, AI. Can we

43:02

talk about AI? But yeah, but

43:04

this is like, getting getting like

43:06

more getting workspace to work better

43:08

with a via AI features is

43:10

a big deal because like. Part

43:12

of like, as a part of

43:15

your literacy, basic literacy as a

43:17

worker in corporate America is you

43:19

have to know Microsoft Office, you

43:21

have to know like Google Workspace,

43:23

because you don't know which, you

43:25

know, whatever, whichever company you're working

43:27

for over the next 19 months,

43:30

whatever they use, you have to

43:32

know how to use. If there

43:34

is this ecosystem that is. Significantly

43:36

easier for people to use. That

43:38

means that that's more licenses that

43:40

will get bought. So Google Docs

43:43

will generative audio for docs. Okay,

43:45

that's fine. So like if you

43:47

want to like listen to this

43:49

doc Google Doc in the car,

43:51

it can like in speech text,

43:53

text of speech. Okay, that's fine.

43:56

Do an audio overview of the

43:58

doc, just like you can do

44:00

in notebook LM. But this is

44:02

where you don't have to leave

44:04

what you're doing to go to

44:06

this other specific tool in order

44:08

to use it. It's like, no,

44:11

using Google Docs, but now there's

44:13

this new button to press to

44:15

get like an AI overview of

44:17

it. Okay, cool. There's a new

44:19

feature called Help Me Refine, which

44:21

also tails back to something that

44:24

we're discussing during the intro where.

44:26

Even, oh God, I just realized

44:28

what a disk, this casual thing

44:30

I was going to say, even

44:32

Apple has an AI tool that

44:34

can generate text for you. Say,

44:37

oh, wow. If we're saying even

44:39

pathetic, lowly, hopeless, helpless Apple, that

44:41

can basically bang two rocks together

44:43

and generate text with banging two

44:45

rocks together. I love the way

44:47

everybody's talking about anyway. Yeah. It's

44:49

not an Apple podcast, but. There

44:52

was also a piece in the

44:54

information today, by the way. The

44:56

second big, big, I did read

44:58

it. I did read it. I

45:00

did read it. Behind the scenes

45:02

about why the disaster of Apple

45:05

and television, basically behind the scenes

45:07

of the presentation they gave during

45:09

WWDC, in which like the actual

45:11

Siri team is like watching this,

45:13

saying, you promised that we'd be

45:15

able to do what? That's not

45:18

a video of anything. That video

45:20

is completely fake and it's just

45:22

something that we're hoping that we

45:24

might eventually be able to do.

45:26

And you just said that that.

45:28

Okay, guess what? We're gonna have

45:30

a meeting in the big room

45:33

and wheel in some extra white

45:35

boards just that we can write

45:37

down how upset we are with

45:39

you marketing team. But anyway, so

45:41

help me refine. It is like

45:43

a generative writing tool, but. They

45:46

say in the blog post, basically

45:48

intended to be more of a

45:51

writing coach than generative text. Here's

45:53

a quote from the line. Instead

45:55

of just rewriting sentences, it offers

45:57

thoughtful suggestions on how to strengthen

45:59

your argument, improve this. of your

46:01

piece, or make your key points

46:03

clear, can also help with formatting

46:06

consistency. The goal isn't just to

46:08

fix the document, but to help

46:10

you become a more effective communicator

46:12

over time. With each of these

46:14

features, by the way, they put

46:16

like a 90, the weird format,

46:19

like just 90 second, less than

46:21

two minute, sometimes wordless video of

46:23

just screen capture of what this

46:25

looks like being used. And it's

46:27

like, well, here's like. Here's our

46:29

training document I'm doing. Oh, I

46:32

want to make this shorter. So,

46:34

well, how about you tighten this,

46:36

this, and this? Okay, well, I

46:38

need to make sure that we

46:40

are really underscoring the need that

46:42

the lead that we're putting in

46:45

the whole wheat flour. Make sure

46:47

you don't eat a lot of

46:49

it. but we have we're putting

46:51

some and you know it's well

46:53

if you we probably want to

46:55

downplay that it's it's like i'm

46:57

like i said earlier i'm kind

47:00

of i'm scheved by the idea

47:02

of people communicating not with their

47:04

own minds and their hearts and

47:06

their points of view but just

47:08

i want somebody to write something

47:10

that sounds like something that i

47:13

would say to you in the

47:15

circumstance business business business communication is

47:17

totally different I mean, so it's

47:19

if it's okay to say that,

47:21

well, look, I'm just, I just

47:23

need to make sure that people

47:26

know that our deadline is on

47:28

this particular part of the project

47:30

is really flexible. However, we absolutely

47:32

can't go beyond this point. Also,

47:34

we have a window in which

47:36

we absolutely need Sheila to like

47:39

manage this part of it, and

47:41

she's going to be on on

47:43

personal leave from X date to

47:45

X date. How do we, I

47:47

need to make sure that's really,

47:49

really clear in this report, in

47:52

this report. Like how do I

47:54

say that? It's okay to be

47:56

effective rather than to be an

47:58

engine of empathy. An engine of

48:00

empathy. Google Sheets has something similar.

48:02

Help me analyze. Now, unfortunately, I'm

48:04

not like a financial or numbers

48:07

analyst, so a data analyst, so

48:09

I can't really appreciate this, but

48:11

mostly it's, here is your spreadsheet

48:13

full of data. Help me, just

48:15

tell me what this means. This

48:17

on-demand analyst provides guidance to get

48:20

you started points out interesting trends

48:22

you might have missed, suggests next

48:24

steps for digging deeper and creates

48:26

clear interactive charts to bring your

48:28

data to life. This makes powerful

48:30

analysis accessible to your entire team

48:33

spreadsheet expert or not. So this

48:35

sounds like the sort of thing

48:37

where whereas I can wax lyrical

48:39

about yes, but what you're not

48:41

saying how you feel and what

48:43

you think about. You're basically saying,

48:46

please tell me. Please explain to

48:48

these people, write something that sounds

48:50

appropriate. Like, and I'm saying, oh

48:52

yeah, no, absolutely, like, tell me

48:54

what these numbers mean, because I

48:56

have no, I have no connection

48:59

to what that means or what,

49:01

what this task is. And if

49:03

you can make me feel less

49:05

like I'm, like an orangutan, 100

49:07

feet below the sea in an

49:09

aqua lung, completely out of my

49:11

element, I would be very, very

49:14

helpful to help about that. Google

49:16

Meet. See, these are all things

49:18

that sound like if I were

49:20

working in an office features that

49:22

I would use. So now you

49:24

can. Act as though Gemini is

49:27

a participant in the meeting. So

49:29

if you just like ask like

49:31

at Gemini as those person like

49:33

hey what I'm late what did

49:35

I miss? Gemini will say that

49:37

or say oh Gemini like what

49:40

have we talked about this yet

49:42

and we'll explain oh actually we

49:44

kind of mentioned it during the

49:46

first 10 minutes but we haven't

49:48

really set deadlines yet. That sounds

49:50

really really interesting. You can use

49:53

Gemini gems if you can get

49:55

them working in workspace. They're calling

49:57

this Google Workspace flows. So basically

49:59

automating multi-step processes. I'm quoting again

50:01

here that can actually research analyze

50:03

and generate content for you. Once

50:06

again, like a 90 second video

50:08

that kind of explained it that

50:10

made a good case for it,

50:12

where just as I was saying

50:14

that, gee, I want to automate

50:16

this thing that I do quite

50:18

often to take this table of

50:21

data and publish it on the

50:23

web, say, well, if someone, they

50:25

walked, this demo video, just quickly

50:27

walk through creating a workspace flow

50:29

for customer service, so that. It

50:31

basically keeps an eye on like

50:34

the inbox for like customer service

50:36

and Gmail. Just by entering simple

50:38

prompts, you're setting up like an

50:40

automation that says, make sure, create

50:42

like summaries of like all the

50:44

feedback, prioritize them, basically the ones

50:47

that seem like if they're a

50:49

problem, customers having a really serious

50:51

problem, make sure that gets prioritized.

50:53

Also put that put a link

50:55

to it and a summary of

50:57

that in the group chat of

51:00

like all the of all the

51:02

customer support managers and then another

51:04

one where like okay generate a

51:06

the customer support manager like is

51:08

now wants to respond to this

51:10

it will generate like the letter

51:12

not just send the letter automatically

51:15

but here is like the letter

51:17

that you're going to send prepared

51:19

for you via Gmail to see

51:21

if you want to actually send

51:23

it. Pretty cool stuff. And the

51:25

last thing that was kind of

51:28

interesting, data residency options. Like, and

51:30

this is like the just walkie

51:32

internet. Data residency. Data residency. Basically,

51:34

the collapse of international relations basically.

51:36

So that if you're writing like

51:38

an AI app or if you're

51:41

using like Gemini AI, you can

51:43

basically say, oh, by the way,

51:45

the regime that's in control of

51:47

my government right now has ordered

51:49

us never to actually have any

51:51

of our data hosted by an

51:54

external server outside of our borders.

51:56

So make sure that you contribute,

51:58

this is stored on a Google

52:00

server that is within my own

52:02

borders. And sometimes it's GDPR, sometimes

52:04

it's basically they're giving people companies

52:07

and developers control so that if

52:09

you want to say, just make

52:11

sure to hell that this never

52:13

leaves China. Like to make sure

52:15

to hell this doesn't leave the

52:17

United States in any way shape

52:19

or form. And I need to

52:22

be able to tell some regulator

52:24

or someone's trying to sue me

52:26

that, no, no, Steve, I put

52:28

this checkbox in and say that

52:30

don't, that it outside the US,

52:32

you got to beef with me.

52:35

Well, it's with Google. My friend.

52:37

Oh, I'm sorry you're not under

52:39

43 years old. Okay, there is

52:41

a commercial for Wendy's. Very famous

52:43

with the tagline was wear the

52:45

beef a little lady by the

52:48

name of Clara Pellet. Oh, I'm

52:50

already over explaining our day. Okay,

52:52

well, I'm just saying you can't

52:54

see what's because I click the

52:56

checkbox. The last thing I actually

52:58

flagged here was not like a

53:01

big thing. Vertex AI is like

53:03

there for people want to develop

53:05

AI apps. So. They have, Google

53:07

has had like a text to

53:09

music feature in Google Labs for

53:11

a while called Leria. So they

53:14

said that sometime the next couple

53:16

months, they're adding Leria to vertex

53:18

AI. So if you want, if

53:20

you feel as though, as part

53:22

of like, again, your Google workspace

53:24

or whatever, you want to not

53:26

only tell the customer that, no,

53:29

we can't give you a refund,

53:31

no, we're not going to give

53:33

you a coupon for anything. No,

53:35

we're basically, thank you for your

53:37

money. We don't care if we

53:39

have your business ever again. If

53:42

you want to be a real

53:44

jerk about it, and basically have

53:46

a, but here's a song in

53:48

which our customer service people are

53:50

going to be singing in five-part

53:52

harmony, how screwed you are and

53:55

how little we care. We don't

53:57

care. We don't care. You're an

53:59

idiot. You gave us your money.

54:01

We did nothing in return. And

54:03

we don't care. Brought you by

54:05

Vertex AI. So anyway, so yeah,

54:08

that's It seems as though Google's

54:10

doing a good job of having

54:12

AI that actually does stuff that

54:14

is actually relevant again. If you're,

54:16

I think that it's, as I

54:18

was reading about this, I was

54:21

thinking that it's kind of like

54:23

the, at this point in the

54:25

history of AI, this is your

54:27

biggest opportunity to, there are people

54:29

who are not going to choose

54:31

to use your AI systems. There

54:33

are people who are going to

54:36

be forced to use your AI

54:38

systems in the sense that. This

54:40

is our office I'm working at

54:42

is run on Google Workspace. So

54:44

therefore I'm going to be presented

54:46

with Gemini Tools every step of

54:49

the way. And if there's a

54:51

way that I can screw my

54:53

employer out of some of my

54:55

actual creative thinking time, just be

54:57

a drone who clicks buttons like

54:59

a chimpanzee trying not to get

55:02

electroshock and trying to get the

55:04

banana peel pill dispenser, just see

55:06

the light push the button. I'm

55:08

hoping to screw my employer out

55:10

of everything that I could be

55:12

thinking about, but I'm not. I'm

55:15

just want to push the right

55:17

buttons. Congratulations. You can just push

55:19

the right buttons and not have

55:21

to really think that much. Push

55:23

the right buttons. Exactly. So sounds

55:25

pretty good. Okay, let's take another

55:27

break and quickly go over a

55:30

couple of things that I think

55:32

are really cool But well, well,

55:34

we'll get to them. Okay, we'll

55:36

get to them. We won't peel

55:38

too deep into the onion But

55:40

we'll get that awful like papery

55:43

part of it and then the

55:45

green layer of onion to like

55:47

the sweet crunchy thing that you

55:49

Probably don't want to eat, but

55:51

still will flavor up a marinera

55:53

sauce very very nicely right for

55:56

this now when I said that

55:58

Google participated in the TED conference.

56:00

I hope I wasn't like over

56:02

promising anything about, oh, they made

56:04

this spectacular announcement demonstration that gives

56:06

us hope for whatever. I actually

56:09

just wanted to say snarky things

56:11

in that Gen X way that

56:13

everybody's. so appreciates and loves. So

56:15

Ted, 20. While I still can,

56:17

before I'm, before my citizenship is

56:19

a revoked. So the TED conference,

56:22

there's the main one in Vancouver

56:24

once a year, and then there's

56:26

the little ones that are not

56:28

actually run by Ted, but they'll

56:30

let you like special order, those

56:32

like 3D printed huge TED letters

56:34

for the stage, whatever. This is,

56:37

if you're not, if you're not,

56:39

I always make sure that. people

56:41

think that the truth of this

56:43

is that the TED conference in

56:45

Vancouver, I don't care what anybody

56:47

else says. This is where really

56:50

rich people pay this year $12,500

56:52

per ticket to watch, for example,

56:54

a goatee guy wearing cargo shorts

56:56

and flip flops. assert that, I'm

56:58

quoting here, the US military must

57:00

embrace mass-produced AI-powered autonomous weapons in

57:03

order to overwhelm adversaries with technological

57:05

superiority, unquote. And why yes, he

57:07

is the co-founder of a tech

57:09

company that's making AI deathpots. Yeah,

57:11

it's not like... This isn't like

57:13

the library of Alexandria, this freaks.

57:16

This is where people who make

57:18

an incredible amount of money who

57:20

have a certain amount of distance

57:22

from day-to-day struggles of life can

57:24

basically applaud themselves that, oh, I

57:26

was a Ted two weeks ago

57:29

and it really opened my mind

57:31

as to why if we have

57:33

a system, an app that can

57:35

donate wallpaper to the disadvantaged in

57:37

Somalia. That, okay, okay, whatever. And

57:39

I'm not lying, it was like,

57:41

as bad as it is about,

57:44

again, the head of a company

57:46

that's making AI-powered death weapons, talking

57:48

about, oh, we have to do

57:50

this, oh, it's our responsibility to

57:52

do this. And then you see,

57:54

like, they haven't posted the video

57:57

yet, they post the video to

57:59

the site. like, I don't know,

58:01

like, after some editing, whatever,

58:03

polishing, whatever. It really is.

58:06

A guy had a goatee

58:08

and tinted, not sunglasses, but

58:10

those, like, just regular glasses

58:13

with tint on them, real,

58:15

like, tech-bro stuff, he's got a

58:17

goatee. Cargo shorts, like,

58:19

he's on a carnival cruise

58:21

or something, and berating, like,

58:23

like, a waiter, like, I

58:26

know you know, English, speak

58:28

English, like, English, like, Right.

58:30

Anyway. So where it's relevant

58:32

to us is that the head

58:34

of Android XR Shahrah Mazadi

58:36

spoke and it's again, they

58:39

haven't posted the video yet.

58:41

So we're just going from

58:43

people who like have seen

58:45

the conference and we're writing

58:47

about it. But he basically

58:49

showed off two things. He

58:51

did show off the Samsung

58:54

VR collaborative headset that

58:56

that we know about. He

58:58

also showed off some Gemini.

59:00

enabled smart glasses that we've

59:03

kind of seen that there's

59:05

some speculation from some commentator

59:07

that these are actually like

59:10

existing Samsung smart glasses that

59:12

they just like got Gemini

59:14

running on. But what's significant

59:16

about these glasses that it

59:18

was a good demo that they

59:21

were showing like it doing actual

59:23

real things among them that

59:25

wonderful thing. My favorite parts

59:27

of the, when they were showing

59:29

Project Vista. Project Vista.

59:32

I think it was Project Vista.

59:34

I think it was Project

59:36

Vista. I think it was Project

59:38

Vista. The thing is, Vista is

59:41

applied to so many different tech

59:43

projects that I always assume

59:45

I'm the thing where essentially we're

59:48

wearing a pair of like AR

59:50

glasses, extended reality glasses, and just

59:52

like we're talking about. Jim and

59:54

I live with camera, but imagine

59:56

that you're not holding a phone

59:58

in front of you. just like

1:00:00

you're looking through glasses. But it demonstrated

1:00:03

these features not as a mock-up video,

1:00:05

but actual working live demo on stage,

1:00:07

including the, oh, where did I leave

1:00:09

my keys? And obviously, that's the sort

1:00:12

of thing that is most useful and

1:00:14

impressive to me. I was really sleep

1:00:16

deprived, like last, I was up really,

1:00:18

really late, and I put my phone

1:00:21

down somewhere. And I took, and the

1:00:23

last thing I did for I was

1:00:25

about to go to bed was just

1:00:27

take out the recycling because I, you

1:00:30

know, it's recycling day. And then I

1:00:32

couldn't find my phone. I'm like, ah,

1:00:34

damn it, where's the... Damn it my

1:00:37

damn it phone like damn it like

1:00:39

no no no no we're not going

1:00:41

to go back to the to the

1:00:43

alley to because I know I didn't

1:00:46

like dump it in the recycling bin

1:00:48

because I was taking like a wrapped

1:00:50

up pile of things but I had

1:00:52

a like look and look and look

1:00:55

and look and look including looking the

1:00:57

same place like five times for I

1:00:59

found it again. 80 HD thank you

1:01:01

very much but like the ability to

1:01:04

say yeah where did I put my

1:01:06

phone and the fact that it's been

1:01:08

like watching through your eyes for the

1:01:10

past half hours that yeah the phone

1:01:13

it's like it's on that little table

1:01:15

like in the kitchen the table that

1:01:17

you put next to the kitchen that

1:01:20

you put next to the kitchen because

1:01:22

you don't know where else to put

1:01:24

it like that's that's where it is

1:01:26

oh by the way here's where you

1:01:29

should probably put the table too Not

1:01:31

even, oh, here's a product we're developing,

1:01:33

we will probably be shipping it end

1:01:35

of this year, being over next year,

1:01:38

it's like, oh no, it's more like,

1:01:40

here's software that we're, we've written that

1:01:42

actually works. I don't, I mean, I

1:01:44

don't know about you, but like, I

1:01:47

am 50 50 going to be impressed

1:01:49

by the live demos of hardware, particularly,

1:01:51

particularly, X, and VR hardware, but also.

1:01:54

Ready to be very angry if

1:01:56

it's just a demo where, oh,

1:01:59

well, we just decided for fun.

1:02:01

We ordered these glasses from Ali

1:02:03

Express and then, like, we had

1:02:06

an intern that we didn't know

1:02:08

what to assign her to. Oh,

1:02:10

maybe you can get, like, Gemini

1:02:13

2.5 flash, like, running on these.

1:02:15

Like, no, no, no, no, no,

1:02:17

no, no, no, no, no, no,

1:02:20

no, no, no, you don't get

1:02:22

to do that anymore, you don't,

1:02:24

they show us something, even if

1:02:27

you have to say, we don't

1:02:29

know when we're shipping it, don't

1:02:31

just demo something and then like

1:02:34

have us wonder and guess as

1:02:36

to if we're ever actually going

1:02:38

to be able to see it.

1:02:41

But yeah. So on that basis,

1:02:43

the time of this game, on

1:02:45

that basis, the Ted stage was

1:02:48

the perfect place to put to

1:02:50

at least, at least it's not

1:02:52

AI death bots. And I will

1:02:54

say that he did a pre

1:02:57

did dress appropriately. He and another

1:02:59

Google Googler, a woman executive, I

1:03:01

can't remember. I don't think they

1:03:04

were. Yeah, whatever. The articles I

1:03:06

read didn't record her name, but

1:03:08

they have a couple of the

1:03:11

people there. I think that she

1:03:13

was another executive. But yeah, so

1:03:15

they released dress casually, but appropriately

1:03:18

saying, maybe I shouldn't have people

1:03:20

seeing my bare feet on this

1:03:22

stage. Maybe I should have like

1:03:25

some foot to shin coverage of

1:03:27

my skin. to help me get

1:03:29

series A funding for my death

1:03:32

robots for drones that will kill

1:03:34

indiscriminately. Hang loose bro. I don't

1:03:36

know why I got so upset

1:03:39

by this guy. A, like again,

1:03:41

tech bro, talk about A, I

1:03:43

death bots, but also I'd be

1:03:46

upset if you were wearing flip

1:03:48

flops on a plane. Okay. Oh

1:03:50

yeah, that upsets me too. It

1:03:53

does, and I wear socks, please.

1:03:55

I don't want to see your

1:03:57

feet on the plane. I understand

1:04:00

wanting to take the shoes off,

1:04:02

okay. but like don't do that

1:04:04

either. If you if like plan

1:04:07

ahead wear the shoes that you

1:04:09

can undo the laces and like

1:04:11

spread like the laces apart and

1:04:13

that but foot coverage is important

1:04:16

but again if you're talking about

1:04:18

to people I'm sorry I should

1:04:20

shut up because okay so the

1:04:23

last the last thing that I

1:04:25

at least wanted to quick get

1:04:27

a quick impression from you off

1:04:30

of because so Google is going

1:04:32

to be redesigning their landing page

1:04:34

when you type Google. And Google

1:04:37

confirmed that you're going to this

1:04:39

at a search central live event

1:04:41

in Madrid. Google confirmed their plans

1:04:44

to bring this discover and also

1:04:46

the quote at a glance, the

1:04:48

content widgets to the search home

1:04:51

page. This was a. via search

1:04:53

engine roundtable pictures from the event,

1:04:55

show a design with Google's existing

1:04:58

desktop homepage design with two blocks

1:05:00

underneath for Discover News and other

1:05:02

information. The secondary block includes a

1:05:05

few at a glance widgets for

1:05:07

sports, weather sports scores, and more

1:05:09

while the block also shows frequently

1:05:12

visited websites and information from calendar.

1:05:14

And I don't think this is

1:05:16

like a sign of something sinister

1:05:19

or awful, but it's just that.

1:05:21

That's so Microsoft. You know, we've

1:05:23

been using Google for so long,

1:05:26

we're used to, I will see

1:05:28

the Google logo, I will see

1:05:30

one box underneath it, I will

1:05:32

see a search button, and I'm

1:05:35

feeling lucky button, and I'm feeling

1:05:37

lucky button, and I will see

1:05:39

a really cool Google doodle, and

1:05:42

if there is like a triangle.

1:05:44

in the shape of a play

1:05:46

button somewhere embedded within the doodle.

1:05:49

I know that whatever I had

1:05:51

planned for the next 20 minutes,

1:05:53

I'm going to be 20 minutes

1:05:56

late because I'll either be playing

1:05:58

a game or watching a cool

1:06:00

animation. When you mess with that,

1:06:03

I just think you're messing with

1:06:05

something that doesn't need to be

1:06:07

messed with. Looking at this, huh?

1:06:10

Okay, the picture of the Discover

1:06:12

page, when you enlarge it, and

1:06:14

if you look at the right

1:06:17

side with the screenshot of what

1:06:19

it will look like on mobile,

1:06:21

do you notice the headline of

1:06:24

the article that's shown at the

1:06:26

top? I'm

1:06:28

clicking and opening. Transfering data

1:06:30

from www.govools.com. Sorry, I'm using

1:06:32

a different. Okay, yes. I'm

1:06:35

zooming, zooming. The best vitamin

1:06:37

C for brighter, even tone

1:06:39

skin. On the right side.

1:06:41

On the right side of

1:06:43

the mobile view. The mobile

1:06:45

view. That headline at the

1:06:48

time. My TX Supreme is

1:06:50

based on OJ Street, where?

1:06:52

Headline is sending all caps.

1:06:54

Calby unveils first European store

1:06:56

on London's Conaby. No, no,

1:06:59

no, at the top, at

1:07:01

the very top Andy. Discover,

1:07:03

it says Google's pixel watch

1:07:05

is great if you want

1:07:07

to keep it simple. Okay,

1:07:09

we might be looking at

1:07:12

different pages here. Okay, I

1:07:14

will take your word for

1:07:16

it. Hold on. Let me

1:07:18

see. Okay. Okay. Now I'm

1:07:20

on. Okay. I'll go on

1:07:23

to search engine. Okay. This

1:07:25

is the image. I've just

1:07:27

sent you the image from

1:07:29

whatever. What site is this?

1:07:31

I forgot which site. Oh,

1:07:33

from from search engine roundtable.

1:07:36

That's where I got the

1:07:38

image from. Okay. I'm seeing

1:07:40

this. I think I'm seeing

1:07:42

the same. Oh, just explain

1:07:44

what you're pointing out, because

1:07:47

they can't see it here.

1:07:49

Yeah, anyway, I think they

1:07:51

used my article in their

1:07:53

screenshot. Oh, nice. But it

1:07:55

doesn't, because you could see

1:07:57

the headline from it. Oh,

1:08:00

here it is. Now I see

1:08:02

it. The cutoff. Google's pixel watch

1:08:04

is great. If you want to

1:08:06

keep it simple. Okay. Yeah. Oh,

1:08:08

but it's so cut off. You

1:08:11

can't see like where it came

1:08:13

from. I know. I know. But

1:08:15

they like the headline. They change

1:08:17

the image too, because the image

1:08:19

is of my wrist wearing the

1:08:21

watch. So, that's interesting. Like I've

1:08:23

been watching like a TV show

1:08:25

and like someone is kind of

1:08:27

a nerd sort of person and

1:08:29

they've got like they're in their

1:08:32

office in their house and they've

1:08:34

got like books on a bookshelf

1:08:36

and behind them and I can

1:08:38

see there's a dummy's book there.

1:08:40

I wonder for one of my

1:08:42

books is up there too. Where's

1:08:44

iPhone fully loaded? We are weak

1:08:46

and feeble people. Our egos need

1:08:48

courage. I needed a win, okay?

1:08:50

So I'm gonna give myself that

1:08:53

little win today, thank you. Sometimes

1:08:55

it really is that kind of

1:08:57

weak. But yeah, I mean, I'm

1:08:59

sure that they wouldn't, they don't,

1:09:01

Google doesn't do that on a

1:09:03

whim. They certainly don't do that

1:09:05

to their, like, Marquis, their number

1:09:07

one product on a whim. They

1:09:09

must have some data that says

1:09:11

that, ooh, we could be getting,

1:09:14

we're, we're losing engagement on the

1:09:16

Google page on the Google page.

1:09:18

Or maybe they're even just saying,

1:09:20

if we redesign it this way,

1:09:22

we need to read in a

1:09:24

years or two's time, we want

1:09:26

when people type Google.com to see

1:09:28

like AI results and AI stuff

1:09:30

and access to AI tools, we

1:09:32

need to start setting up that

1:09:35

move right now with just widgets

1:09:37

that people are already familiar with

1:09:39

so that won't seem like a

1:09:41

jarring thing when it goes off.

1:09:43

I'm sure I mean, so I

1:09:45

know, I think they, I'm sure

1:09:47

they know what they're doing. Or

1:09:49

at least they've got a plan

1:09:51

here. It's not just an arbitrary

1:09:53

stupid thing to say, how could

1:09:56

we slightly annoy Andy in a

1:09:58

way that he has to apologize

1:10:00

for? I know, let's announce we're

1:10:02

going to be messing up with

1:10:04

the, messing up the search page.

1:10:06

It's just that I like the

1:10:08

idea that like the. Google search

1:10:10

page is just an oasis of

1:10:12

calm. There's no big ads there.

1:10:14

It's not trying to get our

1:10:17

attention. It's just gonna wait. Oh,

1:10:19

you want the search bar box.

1:10:21

Here's the search box. So, that's

1:10:23

the problem. It's not getting your

1:10:25

attention. Yeah, I know. It's not

1:10:27

making money for. We're all hiding

1:10:29

the Google Discover page on our

1:10:31

Android phones. And they were like,

1:10:33

oh, guess you better force it

1:10:35

on people. Yeah. Oh well. Oh

1:10:38

well. Well, I think that is

1:10:40

more than a show right now.

1:10:42

Lots of good stuff from flow

1:10:44

on Gizmoto, including the 9A review,

1:10:46

including this stuff that was so

1:10:48

dangerous that this search roundtable site

1:10:50

thought that, no, no, no, we

1:10:52

can't have the full, people will

1:10:54

go into a furor. They will

1:10:56

stop being like the denatured sheep

1:10:59

that we can market people to

1:11:01

successfully. We don't want them thinking.

1:11:03

Like like a Florence Ion Reader

1:11:05

I can't think like one of

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