Finding your voice when you need it the most, by Zoe Lister-Jones

Finding your voice when you need it the most, by Zoe Lister-Jones

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Tuesday, 17th December 2024
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We walk as one

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mass of humanity

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through the inky

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dark of the

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walk as one mass of humanity

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through the inky dark of

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the tunnel. We become

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a community. I'm amazed

0:19

by how we look

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out for one another.

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I can't see much

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at all. All of

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us hope that no

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trains come. We hope

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we'll all get through

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this safely, one step,

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at a time. Many

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of us have someone

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we admire for their

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Many of us have someone we

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admire for their confidence. to for

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their ability to speak their mind

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without hesitation. For

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actress, writer and director

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Zoe Lister Jones, that That

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person is her mother. up shy

1:02

and growing up shy around of

1:04

the world around her. if she'll

1:06

is uncertain she sees

1:08

ever have the not she

1:10

sees in her herself in a dire

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not until she finds herself in

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a dire situation. can

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be born out of difficult can

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be born out of

1:21

difficult circumstances. willing. You You

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just have to be willing to

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trust in your unique voice. like

1:28

to let you know that also like

1:30

to let you know that today's

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episode includes a few moments which some

1:34

may find stressful. stressful, disturbance in a

1:36

house of worship. of Worship, incident

1:38

in the New York the New York

1:40

subway. all part of Zoe's journey. journey,

1:43

so please care while

1:45

listening. In this series we

1:48

combine immersive first-person stories,

1:50

breathtaking music music. and

1:52

mindfulness prompts so that

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we may see our

1:56

lives reflected back to

1:58

us in other people's

2:00

stories, and that can

2:03

lead to improvements in

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our own inner lives.

2:07

From weight what, this

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is meditative story. I'm

2:12

Roham, and I'll be

2:15

your guide. The

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body relaxed.

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The body

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breathing. Your

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senses open.

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Your senses

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open. The

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gallery in Lower Manhattan. lower white

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room with high ceilings. room

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with high ceilings. My large

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photographic print. prints

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hang on the and white swirls

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of shadow and light. of shadow

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and light. The air smells

3:35

like a mix of perfume

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and leather and cigarettes. The

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room is buzzing with life

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for tonight's opening. I'm

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six old and clinging to my mother's

3:50

leg for dear life. leg for

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dear painfully shy, and my

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mom is so magnetic. I

3:57

just want just want to be wherever

3:59

she is. I wear leopard print

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I wear leopard print stretch and a

4:03

black and gold polka dot shirt,

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and a black beret. My My

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mom chooses my outfit. It's, they're

4:10

always a statement. She's

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an She's an artist She works

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in She works in video. behind

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her, I gaze behind her, I gaze out

4:18

into a sea I do my

4:21

best to catch fragments

4:23

of conversations. Heated debates

4:26

about the state-of-the-art world.

4:28

whispered gossip about which artist will

4:30

have the next solo show. solo

4:33

show. I try to soak it up

4:35

like a sponge. I'm the only kid

4:37

here, the only kid here, which is

4:39

fine by me. I don't know how

4:41

to be social with other kids. I'm Whenever

4:44

I'm taken to a wedding a

4:46

a bar mitzvah, I dread having

4:48

to sit at the kid's table. the

4:50

kid's They're screaming, grabbing. It's just

4:52

a it's just energy. energy. I

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don't where my voice fits in. in.

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I just I just end up going

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silent. I'd so much rather

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be with so much rather be

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with the grown easier there It's easier

5:07

there to be quiet and hide

5:09

and observe. yawning. I I feel myself

5:11

yawning. I try to hide it

5:13

in my want to go home

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yet. My mom stands above me,

5:17

My mom stands above me, speaking

5:19

emphatically to two other artist friends.

5:21

friends. I watch I watch her hands as

5:23

she gestures in the air. the air. She

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speaks fervently about gender inequality,

5:30

politics, and justice. injustice. Women

5:32

painters don't achieve

5:34

any level of real

5:36

success success until they're in

5:38

their 70s, she says. My

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mom is known for her

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chutzpah, her self-confidence and her

5:44

friends vehemently agree, giving

5:46

voice to their own feeling. voice to their

5:48

own feelings with passion. I I

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want to be able to use my voice like

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they do, but I don't know if I

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can. I can. 15

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of us sit around the long

6:05

dining room table. My grandma and

6:07

grandpa, aunt, uncle and cousins, great

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aunts and great uncles, my parents,

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and me. I fidget with my

6:14

fork and knife. The adults fuss

6:16

over where to put the men

6:18

of chevets. I'm ten years old

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at a passover sater with my

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mother's extended family. A giant sater

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plate sits in the center of

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the table. It's covered in ritualistic

6:30

totems of the holiday. the lambshank

6:32

bone, a roasted egg, horse radish,

6:34

parsley. All of these items are

6:37

familiar to me, but the setting

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isn't. I'm used to celebrating Passover

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with my parents and their friends

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back home in Brooklyn, but this

6:46

year we're in Calgary, Canada at

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my grandmother's sister's house. My grandfather

6:50

opens the Maxwell House hagata and

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begins to bless the first glass

6:55

of wine. Over the course of

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the night, there will be many.

7:00

As the sater progresses, we get

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to the Ten Plagues. A few

7:04

seats down, my mom clears her

7:07

throat and says she has something

7:09

she wants to share. Everyone seems

7:11

a little surprised. I feel nervous.

7:14

You see, we're already the black

7:16

sheep. My mom is the only

7:18

person in her family to have

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left Calgary, and she didn't just

7:23

leave. She moved to New York

7:25

to become an artist and raise

7:27

a kid in a city. People

7:30

here seemed to look down on

7:32

that. And mom is so outspoken.

7:34

She pokes holes in any ideology

7:37

she doesn't believe in. I always

7:39

agree with what she's saying, but

7:41

whenever we're visiting this more conservative

7:43

side of the family, I'm keenly

7:46

aware of the discomfort they feel

7:48

around her. The simmering tension under

7:50

the surface. Shifting in her seat,

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mom says she's brought a supplement.

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to the hagata, the

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prayer book that

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tells the story

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of Passover. story of Instead

8:04

of the traditional of the her Haggadah

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is a feminist version her that has

8:08

the ten plagues for women in it.

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that has the takes out a printed

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piece of paper in it. turns

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to me. printed piece I hear grumbles around

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the table. me. I hear grumbles

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around Will you read these for will

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you asks, handing me the paper. asks handing

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me me, I think. I think.

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I hate I hate speaking in front

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of people. people. Mom Mom recently put

8:30

me in acting classes to combat

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my shyness, my It doesn't work. it

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doesn't terrified every time I have

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to get on I have to get on

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I take a deep breath deep

8:40

look around the table. around the table.

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Suspicious eyes stare back at me.

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me. The The paper trembles in

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my hands. Mom gives gives me an

8:49

encouraging nod. I start to I start

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to read through the plagues

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while everyone listens in a tense

8:55

silence. silence. I I manage to

8:57

get to number to number six. Boyles

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are are what women get

9:01

when we're sick to death. of

9:03

doing it all. Suddenly

9:05

there's a loud slam from

9:07

the far end of the table.

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the far end of the The dishes rattle.

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The dishes rattle. I look

9:14

up and see my great great

9:16

uncle face red with

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anger. He stands violently.

9:21

The The legs of his

9:23

chair scraped the floor. the is

9:26

This is he yells, and

9:28

storms out of - out of the

9:30

room. A tent silence follows. For

9:32

a while, no for a while, the no

9:35

one at the table makes a... eye contact.

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Standing there, paper shaking

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in my... in

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my hands. I feel

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scared and embarrassed and

9:45

confused. Did I do

9:47

something wrong? These weren't

9:50

even my words, I start to feel

9:52

start to feel like there's

9:54

a danger in using my

9:56

voice voice. and maybe it's

9:58

safer to just keep quiet. it. This

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is a difficult moment.

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moment. Notice how your

10:23

body is responding to

10:25

it, and if it

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brings to mind a

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time when you felt similar

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discomfort, a time a time

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of fear, embarrassment, A

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and confusion.

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of fear, embarrassment and

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okay, we

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can breathe with

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it now, with it soften

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its edges. In

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the difficult moments which

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shape our voice, our voice,

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we can choose to

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practice balance as well as well

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as kindness towards ourselves.

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The evening light shines through the

11:29

stained glass windows. The The sacred space

11:32

fills with a soft glow. on the

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We are on the top floor

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of an old brick brick building

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in Park Slope, Brooklyn, our our synagogue.

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I sit with my parents in with my parents

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in the front row of the

11:44

near the stage with the stage with the

11:47

ark where the holy scriptures are

11:49

kept behind a velvet curtain. curtain. Our

11:51

rabbi rabbi finishes her reading from

11:53

the Torah. Torah. She She signals the

11:55

canter to begin a song, a song.

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and the whole congregation joins in. him.

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I'm I'm captivated by the

12:02

collection of voices singing in unison. It

12:04

sounds both mournful both

12:07

hopeful. and hopeful. warmth

12:09

floods the inside of

12:11

my of my being.

12:13

I start to sing.

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Singing alone terrifies alone

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terrifies me less a

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lot less scary to sing in a community. I

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don't feel that intense

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shyness shyness. My voice

12:27

is just one voice in a

12:29

chorus of so many. But I'm

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not lost in it. I'm emboldened

12:33

by it. I look around at

12:35

the other people. I see I

12:38

look around. at the other people. I

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see handcrafted, custom

12:43

talism and individualized from

12:45

everything from rainbows

12:47

to symbols on

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them. Our Our synagogue

12:51

is definitely progressive. We

12:53

We have a woman rabbi and a a woman

12:55

cantor. There's a lot of focus on

12:58

gender equity in the services. in the services,

13:00

gender neutral God replacing

13:02

he and him with God. God, king

13:05

with ruler. Jewish tradition is

13:07

tradition is rooted in asking

13:09

questions here we are empowered to are empowered

13:11

to challenge authority. tone is Much

13:13

of that tone is set by my

13:15

mom, who is the synagogue When the last notes

13:17

When the last notes of the music die down,

13:19

a a noise at the back of the room.

13:22

the room. I turned to

13:24

see the entryway door open.

13:26

to see the entryway door open. in

13:28

the hallway. An I

13:30

see a group of men gathered in the

13:32

hallway. one is quite sure An

13:34

uncomfortable feeling fills the air. the basement

13:36

of one is quite sure what's

13:38

happening. out to an Recently, the basement of

13:40

our building was rented out to an

13:43

Orthodox Jewish congregation. they move in, From the moment

13:45

they move in, there's some They They

13:47

disagree with how we choose to practice Judaism.

13:50

They stop paying rent. rent. It's become

13:53

a very intense environment. Now

13:55

Now members of this community are interrupting

13:57

our service. our service. Quiet.

14:00

They begin to chant. It

14:02

quickly quickly turns to

14:04

shouting, Down with the with the

14:06

Down with our Dell. Down with our

14:08

Dell. with Ardell,

14:10

down with Ardell. this

14:13

going to escalate to

14:15

something more dangerous? Something violent. I

14:17

look up at my mom. Her

14:19

face is pale and her jaw

14:22

is tight. I see in her

14:24

jaw is tight. I see in

14:26

her eyes something that I don't

14:29

see very often. Fear. It's a

14:31

rare moment where a rare

14:33

moment where my mom feels mortal. Like

14:36

with my great uncle, I

14:38

see how being outspoken is

14:40

a is a

14:43

double -edged sword. see a direct see

14:45

a direct pipeline from using your

14:47

voice to silence shame.

14:49

shame. But despite my

14:51

mom's fear, she stands

14:53

strong. does the And so does the

14:55

rest of the congregation. Eventually

14:58

the chanting dwindles and dies out. and

15:00

dies The angry men go back downstairs

15:02

leaving a vacuum of toxicity in

15:04

the space behind. in the

15:06

space behind. Everyone is visibly

15:08

shaken. I look I look at

15:10

my mom's face again, and I see

15:12

that already something has shifted shifted in

15:15

her. I'm reminded that she never

15:17

lets these moments of silence last

15:19

very long. She responds with action.

15:21

In a few weeks, she files

15:23

a files a lawsuit

15:25

against the Orthodox congregation. eventually

15:28

kicks the kicks

15:30

them out. Even at Even

15:32

at this age, I

15:34

admire her fearlessness and moral

15:36

certitude. It informs

15:38

everything she does. she

15:40

My mom shows me that me that

15:43

I can be loud, that

15:45

I should be loud. But

15:47

I don't have the confidence

15:50

to embody that. Maybe because

15:52

my mom is always so

15:54

able to. It's

16:00

2am. And I'm

16:03

riding the F-train

16:05

from Manhattan to

16:07

Brooklyn. I stare

16:10

out the window

16:12

into Brooklyn. I

16:14

stare out the

16:17

window into the

16:19

flip book of

16:21

tunnel graffiti. I'm

16:24

19 years old.

16:26

a sophomore at

16:28

New York University.

16:31

It's 2001, only a

16:33

few months after 9-11.

16:36

My train pulls into

16:38

the York Street station.

16:41

It's train pulls empty

16:43

this late at It's pretty empty this

16:45

late at night. doors subway

16:47

car doors slide open suddenly,

16:50

I hear hear a loud

16:52

explosion. Panic surges

16:54

through me. me. I I don't know what's

16:56

happening and I'm not going to

16:58

wait around to find out. wait around to

17:00

get off the train as quickly as

17:02

possible. as We all do. as My

17:04

body merges with a group of passengers running

17:06

to the end of the platform in search

17:08

of an exit. to the end of the

17:10

people. in search of our

17:13

feet punch the cement. people. Our warm

17:15

bodies the together. Our warm

17:17

bodies bunched together. Oh no.

17:19

There's no exit at this

17:21

end of the station. I

17:23

turn around. The The exit

17:25

is back where the explosion came from,

17:27

and the station is filling with smoke. with

17:30

smoke. I scan scan the crowd and see

17:32

someone who works for the New York City for the

17:34

New York She looks just as confused as

17:36

the rest of us. as confused as the rest

17:39

of us. I ask her what

17:41

we should do. And she looks

17:43

at me blankly. There's no plan

17:45

for this, she says. My eyes

17:47

and throat burn from the smoke.

17:49

I'm scared. Growing up in New

17:51

York, I've seen a lot. I've

17:53

seen a lot. Danger is ever

17:55

present in a big city. My

17:57

nervous system is accustomed to protecting

17:59

myself. to brace,

18:01

cope, and move on.

18:03

But I can't turn

18:06

away from this. I'm

18:08

trapped in it. Suddenly,

18:10

amidst the fear, the

18:12

vulnerability, a voice starts

18:14

to rise up in

18:16

my chest. We need

18:18

a plan. What is

18:21

our plan? I'm loud.

18:23

I'm firm. Eyes fall

18:25

on me. I'm

18:27

not trying to be a

18:29

hero. I'm just asking questions

18:31

because somebody needs to. Standing

18:33

here, surrounded by fear, I

18:36

don't feel silenced, or lost.

18:38

I feel emboldened. We need

18:40

to figure this out. My

18:42

questions inspire other people to

18:44

ask questions. We start talking.

18:46

We form a plan. We

18:48

decide to jump onto the

18:50

tracks and walk to the

18:52

next station. It's scary, but

18:55

we're in this, together. People

18:57

are looking to me as

18:59

we help each other down

19:01

to the rails. Everyone, please

19:03

take it slow, I say.

19:05

We can't trample each other,

19:07

and nobody touched the third

19:09

rail. We walk as one

19:12

mass of humanity through the

19:14

inky dark of the tunnel,

19:16

moving as quickly as we

19:18

can. We become a community.

19:20

I'm amazed by how we

19:22

look out for one another.

19:24

I can't see much at

19:26

all, but I smell the

19:29

metal rails, and I feel

19:31

the bodies around me. All

19:33

of us hope that no

19:35

trains come. We hope we'll

19:37

all get through this safely.

19:39

One step at a time.

19:41

Then we see the literal

19:43

light at the end of

19:45

the tunnel. A manhole has

19:48

been opened for us. We

19:50

run towards it and climb

19:52

up until we're each pulled

19:54

out onto the street. There

19:56

are medics there. waiting

19:58

with oxygen

20:00

masks. masks. out it

20:02

wasn't even a terrorist attack. even a

20:04

terrorist attack, just a trackfire.

20:06

It's so good to breathe

20:09

the night air, to see

20:11

the lights of the city.

20:13

Standing out on out on the street, I

20:15

don't really know what to do with

20:17

myself. with myself. I I don't want

20:19

to call my call my wake her

20:21

up. wake her Somewhere in all this

20:23

chaos, I suddenly I suddenly feel grown

20:25

up. I spent so much of

20:27

so much of my life feeling

20:29

shy, shy. admiring other people's confidence, but

20:31

fearing what would happen if I

20:33

ever found my own. what

20:35

would happen if I

20:37

ever found my own.

20:40

But down in that

20:42

tunnel, there was no

20:44

hesitation. I spoke up.

20:46

I prodded others to

20:48

do the same. I

20:50

became active in the

20:52

face of something scary.

20:54

I find my chutzpah.

21:14

Let's Zoe's story

21:16

as an invitation story remember a

21:18

moment in our own lives.

21:21

to or someone we know. a

21:24

moment in our own

21:27

lives when we or

21:30

at that moment, come here

21:32

and by our body. up.

21:35

Let that moment

21:37

come here and

21:40

that moment came from difficulty. Let's

21:45

that difficulty. that difficulty

21:48

can be a spark

21:50

to finding our voice.

21:52

Ah, Hutzpah. I'm

22:21

sitting at a paint-splattered

22:23

table in a loft

22:25

that is both an

22:27

art studio and an

22:29

apartment space. The room

22:31

smells like turpentine. There

22:33

are stretched canvases everywhere

22:35

and cans with brushes

22:37

in them. My parents

22:39

are separated and my

22:41

dad has been subletting

22:43

a room here with

22:45

his girlfriend. I feel

22:48

emotionally devastated, but... Not

22:50

about that. A year-long relationship

22:52

with my first real love

22:54

has ended unexpectedly. My heart

22:56

feels like it's been shattered

22:59

into a million pieces.

23:01

to the spot

23:03

by by I

23:05

stare down at a blank page on

23:07

my computer screen. I've recently

23:09

graduated from NYU as a theater

23:11

major. I have no

23:13

idea where to go or

23:15

what to do. idea where I

23:18

feel what to do. I feel trapped. but

23:20

I've felt trapped before. before. I start

23:22

to write. start to write. against

23:24

the keys, one word at the keys,

23:26

I one word at a

23:28

time. I give my

23:31

feelings of My

23:33

one -woman my is born of necessity. It's

23:36

my lifeline. about I speak everything

23:38

I'm feeling about heartache through

23:40

the voices of different characters. use them

23:42

I use them to expel

23:44

the intolerable feelings in me, or

23:46

at least work through them. I have

23:48

them ask the them ask the questions

23:51

that I'm asking myself, and

23:53

then I listen to hear how

23:55

the characters answer. about I write

23:57

about the until the personal becomes

23:59

uniform. This is the place

24:01

is the place that I write from. place

24:04

the place where even when it's scary. I

24:07

have no choice but to say what feels

24:09

true. say what feels true.

24:11

When the script is

24:13

written, I When the script

24:16

is written, I rent a space to perform

24:18

it. stage, standing

24:20

alone in front alone in front

24:22

of the audience in a

24:24

dark room. room, filled with fear,

24:27

but I I it. it. or

24:29

channel it. I use my voice

24:31

to speak my I use my

24:33

voice to speak my truth. to

24:36

a room full of people

24:38

a profound catharsis. It's

24:40

a communal, sacred

24:43

act. It's terrifying,

24:45

but also transformative,

24:48

transcendent. Something like

24:50

this didn't like this happen.

24:53

when I was younger. as

24:55

the scared shy girl in

24:57

acting class, the the quietest one at

24:59

the kid's table. I

25:01

never thought I'd have the I'd to

25:03

perform on my own, to in

25:05

my own words. in my own I

25:07

didn't have my mom's strength. I

25:10

didn't have her voice. have her

25:12

voice. But as I get older, I

25:14

know that my my doesn't come

25:16

from using someone else's

25:18

voice. using someone else's voice. It

25:20

comes from finding my own.

25:23

And sometimes... only in those

25:25

really difficult moments when

25:27

things are scary when things

25:29

are hard. or that

25:32

we find the trust. that we find

25:34

the trust, to use

25:36

our voice, to ask

25:38

questions, to challenge the

25:40

authorities we want to

25:42

challenge, that confidence to

25:44

express ourselves, to say

25:47

what needs to be

25:49

said, comes about when

25:51

we need it the

25:53

most. when

25:55

we are deep underground

25:57

in the darkness. And

26:00

all we need need

26:02

a a light. Thank

26:48

you, Zoe. For our

26:50

our meditation today, we're we're

26:52

going to do a

26:54

form of visualization together. Let's

26:58

start with your face

27:00

soft. with your

27:03

your hands. Let them

27:05

be soft let them

27:07

be soft too. However your

27:09

body is, is, know

27:11

it it is. is.

27:25

across different traditions, there's a

27:27

long history in the practice

27:29

of in the someone other

27:31

than yourself and then embodying

27:33

their qualities. their qualities. the

27:35

kind of thing we're going

27:37

to do today. thing we're going

27:39

to do today. And we'll start

27:41

with someone in our life

27:43

our has the kind of

27:45

of that Zoe describes in

27:48

her mother her mother, and that

27:50

eventually she finds for

27:52

herself in her own

27:54

way. even be a It might

27:56

even be a memory of

27:58

that person. a particular moment.

28:02

A moment when your

28:04

person was when your person was

28:06

themselves. awesome, awesomely

28:08

themselves. Smile. Whether

28:11

your mind is whether

28:14

your mind is visual. mine, not

28:16

mine, not so much. what

28:18

it's like for the thought,

28:20

the the concept. the

28:23

the image of them to be

28:25

here with you. you. I'm

28:29

I'm remembering my sister speaking

28:31

at my father's funeral. my father's

28:34

It was a difficult time for all

28:36

of us, but she spoke so

28:38

well. but she It was amazing. well. It

28:40

was An inspiration that I connect

28:42

with now that my memory. with

28:45

now through my qualities of

28:47

bravery, of vulnerability, and

28:49

of humour in the words

28:51

she shared. of humor in the

28:53

words she shared. your person

28:55

in your mind. mind. Which

28:58

of theirs inspire you? of

29:02

name them to yourself. you?

29:05

Name them

29:08

to yourself.

29:10

And embody

29:13

these qualities

29:15

and embody these

29:18

qualities makes However, that

29:20

makes sense to you. Follow

29:23

your Follow

29:25

your instinct. You can't

29:27

do this wrong. this wrong.

29:29

Imagine the imagining the

29:31

qualities of your chosen person.

29:34

and embodying them

29:36

now. them now. Using

29:39

the using

29:42

the visualization of

29:44

others to inspire qualities

29:46

in ourselves. Okay,

30:04

now we're going to do

30:07

something similar but different. Instead

30:09

of visualizing or bringing to

30:11

mind a person in your

30:14

life, the invitation is to

30:16

bring to mind someone you

30:18

don't really know, but really

30:21

represents for you the chutzpah

30:23

so well represented in Zoe's

30:26

story. The confidence to act

30:28

and speak even when things

30:30

are difficult. It

30:33

could be a public

30:35

figure. It could even

30:37

be a fictional or

30:40

mythical character. What matters

30:42

is that this person

30:44

is the personification of

30:47

Hutzpah as you see

30:49

it. Take your time.

30:52

And invite them here.

30:54

Invite them to be

30:56

present. Who

31:01

is here with

31:03

you? Visualize them

31:05

and their qualities.

31:07

Talk to them

31:09

if you like.

31:12

And as before,

31:14

let's take on

31:16

their qualities, embodying

31:18

their qualities, putting

31:20

them on like

31:22

a coat. And

31:24

for however might

31:26

make sense for

31:28

you, try being

31:30

them. Becoming your

31:32

character or figure.

31:34

becoming them, looking

31:37

through their eyes,

31:39

inhabiting everything about

31:41

them, being them.

31:43

Letting all of

31:45

that previous visualization

31:47

go and just

31:49

be yourself. Be

31:51

yourself in your

31:53

body. Be yourself

31:55

in the movements

31:57

of your mind.

31:59

Know what it

32:01

is to be

32:04

you right now.

32:06

Embodying yourself. Being

32:08

yourself. Being yourself.

32:10

Being that which

32:12

knows. yourself. So

32:14

thank you Zoe

32:16

and thank you.

32:18

May the Hutzpah

32:20

be with you.

32:22

We'd love to

32:24

hear your personal

32:26

be with you.

32:28

We'd love to

32:31

hear your personal

32:33

reflections from Zoe's

32:35

episode. How did

32:37

you relate to

32:39

her story? You

32:41

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32:43

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32:47

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32:49

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32:51

Or you can

32:53

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32:55

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32:58

Meditative Story is

33:00

a wait-work original.

33:02

Our executive producers

33:04

are Darren Triff,

33:06

June Cohen and

33:08

Jay Punjabi. The

33:10

series is produced

33:12

by Dorothy Abrams.

33:14

original music and

33:16

sound design by

33:18

Ryan Holiday. Our

33:20

script writers are

33:23

Marie Killaru, Jeremy

33:25

Loveman, Dan Neelin

33:27

and Florence Williams.

33:29

Mixing and mastering

33:31

by Aaron Bastinelli

33:33

and Brian Pew.

33:35

Special thanks to

33:37

Laurie Hoffman, Anna

33:39

Pizzino, Sarah Tata,

33:41

Katie Blazing, Mariel

33:43

Caraker, Nikki Caraker,

33:45

Nikki Karika, Nikki

33:47

Williams, Nikki Williams,

33:50

Nikki Williams, Kelsey

33:52

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33:54

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33:56

Howard. Brandon Klein,

33:58

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34:00

and Brittany Mills.

34:02

And I'm Rohan

34:04

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