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Ulta to shop now. Hello

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and welcome to Memory Lane. I'm Gem Brista

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and I'm Keri Godleiman. Each week we'll be

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taking a trip down memory lane with our

0:51

very special guest as they bring in four

0:53

photos from their lives to talk about. To

0:55

check out the photos we'll be having a

0:58

matter with them about, they're on the episode

1:00

image and you can also see them a

1:02

little bit more clearly on our Instagram page.

1:04

So have a little look at memory lane

1:06

podcast. Come on, we can all be

1:08

nosy together. How's

1:12

your show? Feeling

1:15

it? Happy? Is

1:17

it got an end? These

1:19

are good sounds. No end.

1:23

Is it ready? No. Is it getting there? Don't

1:25

Do I know what I'm doing with it?

1:27

No. Are you getting any pleasure

1:29

out of it? I do like it. I like it.

1:31

That's a great thing. I see what I like. I

1:33

like segments. I've got segments to go. So

1:35

you need it. this segment. I like this segment.

1:37

I like this segment. that's always what your shows

1:39

are like. And then the segments find journeys to

1:41

each other. I'm usually a bit closer to finding

1:43

the journey than I am now. How got? I

1:45

usually have a director and I don't know. How

1:47

long have you got? Have I got? I've got

1:49

some time. I've got probably about six weeks. You've

1:52

got ages. I've got ages. Why don't you

1:54

get a director? Get a director. Yeah.

1:56

I'll direct it. I'll

1:58

direct it. Will you? Yeah. But you have to come and

2:00

watch it. I can do

2:03

that. Can you? Yeah. Are you? Yeah. Will

2:05

you just get some dates going? OK. I'll direct

2:07

it. All right then. I'll sit at the back

2:09

like Peter Hall going, can't hear you love. Hey,

2:15

come don't believe you love. I don't believe

2:17

you. Did you have to write to shout that

2:19

out? I had that a lot. Act

2:21

better, I had. Oh, that's a good

2:23

note. you know the worst note I ever

2:25

had was, try acting. What

2:27

is that meant to be? Helpful. I don't

2:29

know. Jesus. That was on set. Try

2:34

acting. Jen, could

2:36

you try acting? Well, that's, ouch.

2:38

That's painful, but what about

2:40

do less? I've always

2:42

got to do less. I

2:45

mean, constantly yearning. Do less. Do

2:47

less. All of that, but just much smaller.

2:49

Yeah. Do all of that, but smaller. But

2:51

then you go on stage and it's like,

2:53

do bigger. Do bigger. Yeah. And then you

2:55

go on screen and it's like, oh no.

2:57

No, do way less. If someone's had a

2:59

fit. Yeah. Do you find your

3:01

people, friends and family, say stop shouting

3:03

a lot? Ben says that a lot

3:05

to me now. He's like, Kerry, I'm

3:07

right next to you. Stop shouting. I

3:09

have been told that my entire life.

3:12

I don't think there's ever been someone who's like,

3:14

do you find recently that your friends have always

3:16

said that to me? Yeah. No, I feel like

3:18

it's getting worse for me. Sometimes Chloe's just like,

3:21

please, could you just

3:23

stop shouting? Yeah. Yeah.

3:26

That happens a lot. And that's often when I'm

3:28

just having, I'm being, I think think you're being

3:30

funny? I think I'm being hilarious. Yeah. I'm like,

3:32

oh God, I'm so funny. Here's something really funny

3:34

I'm gonna say. Da -da! Yeah, but partners

3:36

don't want that. And they're like, I don't need that.

3:38

I don't want that and I don't need it. And if

3:40

I wanted it, I'll buy a ticket for you, shall

3:42

a ticket for you, shall I? I

3:48

don't want that. In

3:51

bed, in the morning. Ben, sometimes, if...

3:53

I'm in bed in the morning. I'm

3:55

with Ben there, that's fine, OK. Ben's

3:57

like, I literally just won't. Are

4:01

you giving him bullet points first thing in the

4:03

morning? OK, Ben, here we go. OK, Ben, what does

4:05

the day hold for you? This is what it

4:07

holds for me. We'll

4:10

wait till he's had a coffee. You don't

4:12

see table, pillow talk, pillow talk,

4:14

not table talk, pillow talk, talk. That

4:16

used to be a thing, didn't

4:18

it, in sitcoms? Yeah, couples in bed

4:20

together in bed talking. Yeah. Why

4:23

don't you see that anymore? Mind you, we don't

4:25

watch Telly. So it might be going You

4:27

do watch Telly? I don't watch anything. You don't watch

4:29

Telly? I watch School Swap and Gardeners

4:31

World. And Adolescents? And Severance. Have you done

4:33

Severance? You told me not to do Severance. I?

4:35

I've told Chloe not to do it. Oh,

4:37

I liked it in the end. Oh,

4:40

here we go. You

4:42

said don't bother with the second series. I

4:44

was like, oh, you're watching the second series.

4:46

I said, oh, I really like the first.

4:48

And you went, oh, don't bother with the

4:50

second series. That doesn't make any sense. No,

4:52

it didn't make any sense. But I kind

4:54

of was a sat with it, not making

4:56

sense. You sat with it. I did just

4:58

read James by Purcell Everett. That was really

5:00

good. What's that? It's a novel that was

5:02

nominated for the book called James. The guy

5:04

who wrote American Fiction, the film. Yeah. Him.

5:06

Okay. I'll check it out. Yeah, it was

5:08

really good. Yeah. I'm looking for a new

5:10

book. I'm reading and I'm really enjoying it

5:12

actually. Six Conversations.

5:14

Six Conversations We're Scared to

5:16

Have by Deborah Francis White.

5:19

It's basically she's talking about

5:21

six conversations that are quite

5:23

sort of, you know, polarizing

5:25

and people might feel uncomfortable

5:27

discussing. And I

5:29

just think it's such a

5:31

great book. And also very

5:34

accessible she manages

5:36

to take on like

5:38

six difficult subjects

5:41

and be able to

5:43

make them accessible

5:45

for anyone so wherever

5:48

you sit on

5:50

the argument Deborah

5:53

obviously has a definite opinion about

5:55

each one of these subjects and

5:57

she makes it very easy to

5:59

digest and I would recommend it.

6:01

That sounds great. And

6:03

also, fucking hell, I'm

6:05

like, I read books like this and I realise how

6:07

thick I am. Because you know when you see somebody

6:10

You're not thick, Jen. Not bright then. But

6:12

you know when somebody's able to like

6:14

just take these really... kind of questions and

6:17

conversations and subjects and humanize all the

6:19

yeah but also make it like oh have

6:21

you thought about it this way have

6:23

you thought about it that way and by

6:25

the way if you go back in

6:27

time and think about it this way i'm

6:29

just like fucking out that's great this

6:31

is amazing anyway i can really recommend it

6:33

very needed at this time when people

6:36

are very tribal and they lock in to

6:38

their opinions yes this book has just

6:40

come out at the exactly the right time

6:42

and I'm not sure when it

6:44

comes out. I think it's coming out pretty soon,

6:46

but I would highly recommend people pre -order that.

6:48

I think it might actually be coming out

6:50

next month in April. Can I borrow that copy

6:52

when it's finished? You can, definitely. Six conversations

6:54

we're scared to have by Deborah Francis White. Get

6:56

yourself a copy and we'll get Deborah on

6:59

to talk about it. Won't we?

7:01

Yeah, you know where I don't. I've got to do it.

7:03

You've got to ask her. What am I asking you? I

7:06

have that kind of authority. I go to you all

7:08

the time. This is how I am with Chloe. go, what

7:10

do you think? She's like, why you asking me? And

7:12

I'm like, I don't know. Ben does that to me. And

7:14

I'm like, don't ask me. I

7:17

don't have the answers. I

7:19

like people to like, I like

7:21

to defer to someone and go, what

7:23

do you think? Don't

7:26

ask me. No, all right, I won't.

7:28

But I will ask Deborah. Yeah, she's got

7:30

answers. Yeah. sometimes

7:41

when it's weird isn't it when you're

7:43

with your partner your wife or whatever

7:45

and you're in a sort of you're

7:47

in a work environment and then you

7:49

just suddenly devoted to work mode with

7:51

your partner like what the fuck are

7:53

you talking to me like that for?

7:56

I've always been sorry do you work with your

7:58

wife? She'll

8:01

sometimes do the reels for my podcast.

8:03

Right, right. I haven't worked

8:05

with my husband for years, but

8:07

I used to really struggle with

8:09

it. What about when you

8:11

did that radio show, Kerry's List? Oh, yeah, that

8:13

was fun. That was fun. Because Ben was, yeah.

8:15

He played Ben, my husband. Ben was Ben. But

8:18

you know, like couples that properly work together,

8:20

like run a business together. I just think

8:22

that must be hard. Oh, yeah, I wouldn't

8:24

want to do that. It's,

8:27

you know, because work can get aggy, and you want

8:29

to get aggy with the person that you're spending the rest

8:31

of your with. Also, it's kind of nice to be

8:33

apart and then come together and go, what did you do

8:35

today? But he's like, well, you know, because we work

8:37

together and we work together all day. Yeah. Well, too much.

8:40

You'd be quite overbearing, I think. What?

8:43

I think you'd be too much. No, no, no.

8:45

Yeah. No, no, no, no. I really like...

8:47

You appear to have me all wrong. What? I

8:49

don't. Stand up to me,

8:51

you pussy. Yeah, yeah. But that's... hyperbolic

8:53

stand -up comedy, you know how comedy

8:55

works, Jen. I'm very laid -back in real

8:57

life. I spend all weekend gardening. Yeah,

8:59

maybe in the garden you're quite laid

9:01

-back, but should Ben enter the garden,

9:03

that's when it changes. You

9:06

know when a parent drops

9:08

a sort of motto or a

9:10

wafferism that is horrifying when

9:12

you're like... So my mum will

9:14

say things like, a husband

9:16

is for life, not for lunch.

9:18

And I find it so...

9:21

She'll drop it and then tether

9:23

about it and I'm like...

9:25

currently can't believe thinking that about

9:27

my partner, but presumably I

9:29

will. I've got this to look

9:31

forward to. That's what parents

9:33

are for, to put those little seeds in your head

9:35

and then they just pop out. I'll

9:37

never be like you. I've

9:41

got bits in my show at the moment where

9:43

I'm like, now I'm saying the shit my mum

9:45

said. Oh yeah, but we're all

9:47

doing that. All the stuff that we thought

9:49

like, I mean, I say stuff to my

9:51

kids where... my mum used to say to

9:53

me that were like, really not funny jokes.

9:55

And then they come out and then they

9:57

make me laugh. But you know what makes

9:59

me laugh is I know that they're not

10:01

funny and also how irritated my children will

10:03

be as soon as it leaves my mouth.

10:06

I'm like, oh, they're going to hate this. I

10:08

got halfway through an anecdote with Elsie this

10:10

morning and she went, I thought she loved

10:12

this story. And she

10:14

went, you have told me that story so

10:16

many times. Oh no. No.

10:18

Oh no, Kerry. You're

10:21

reusing your podcast anecdotes on to

10:23

your child. I'll carry this over

10:25

now, mate. Given that is what

10:27

we do for a job, which

10:29

is repeat stories, a

10:31

lot. And now I'm doing it at home.

10:34

And my mum did it. And my mom did

10:36

it. And I'd be like, oh my God, how

10:38

many times have I heard this? Yep. Have you ever

10:40

done that thing where you start a joke again straight

10:42

after telling it on stage? No. I

10:44

did it in Stroud. How far

10:46

did you get into the joke?

10:48

I got, I would say, nearly

10:50

two sentences. And where did that

10:52

happen? Were you like, over time?

10:54

That's what happens. Because

10:56

then you are broken cyborg when you start

10:59

your life. The wrestling gig

11:01

went a lot better because I had a

11:03

meltdown as a result and the audience was

11:05

like, oh, he's a real human being. So

11:07

I sat on the stage and was like,

11:09

I was like, this is what's happened. It's

11:11

disgusting what I've done because I reveal

11:13

the comedy. It's awful

11:15

magic trick where we're like, it's

11:17

because it's two jokes on the

11:20

same subject where both of them

11:22

start with the same setup of like.

11:25

is like about dating and then it's like

11:27

both of them have the same like

11:29

and another time I went and then I

11:31

just accidentally looped back to the first

11:33

one and then it was just like the

11:35

worst. It was like I found it

11:37

so funny but I was like you were

11:39

not in the right place. If that

11:41

happens you were not in the zone. You

11:43

were on automatic. You also

11:45

got posted your way through that. I've

11:47

done a call back to a joke

11:49

I didn't put in in the first

11:51

place is when occasionally used to triple.

11:53

And like, a double is mad, but

11:55

a triple is a breakdown. And then

11:57

you'd be like, I can't remember what

11:59

I've said. Yeah, no, that's terrible. Yeah.

12:01

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12:04

Comedy Festival and did seven gigs in

12:06

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12:08

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12:10

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12:12

if I've said that punchline or what the

12:14

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12:16

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want to go to your first photograph, which

14:00

I'm going to assume is this one. I don't

14:02

know if I'm correct. go.

14:06

We're going chronic. We're

14:08

going full linear narrative. And

14:11

I want to first of all,

14:13

I love everything about this photograph.

14:15

Everything. The curtains, the hand on

14:17

hip. everything. And I like, is

14:19

that a Christmas jumper? I'd never,

14:21

so it's a helicopter. It's a, it's

14:23

Barbar, the, the, the royal French

14:25

elephant in a helicopter. It's

14:27

Barbar, the elephant. Now,

14:29

was this a premonition of

14:32

your future? Well,

14:34

it's just, I, so I, I

14:36

like, was looking through old photos

14:38

in advance of this. And

14:40

I, I like never, I've

14:42

not remembered that photo since like

14:44

four days ago, like when

14:46

I saw it. So it's

14:48

like, I didn't even know this existed. There's

14:50

like a lot of me dressed as clowns. There's

14:54

like, there's other one. I mean, like, you know, I can show

14:56

you, I can show you the clowns that didn't make the cut. Well,

15:01

it's like, that's just

15:03

what I got. Like I don't know

15:05

what it was. My mum talked like my

15:07

parents are like supportive but skeptical about

15:09

all of my career decisions. And

15:11

but they, but my mum was also like, yeah, it

15:13

was really fun when you were a kid to just dress

15:15

you up. Yeah, I'm

15:17

like, there's a lot of. lot of clown. Do you

15:19

know what makeup wise as a parent, if you're going to

15:21

be like, mom, I want to get dressed up. It's like,

15:23

oh, I can do clown makeup. I can easily

15:25

do that. It's when you go, I want to go as

15:27

a power ranger. Forget it. I don't know what I'm doing

15:29

there. But this, give your red nose and put some wipes.

15:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so easy. It's so easy With

15:35

a bit of black liner. The physical costume can

15:37

come off really quickly, but the emotional costume of

15:39

wanting to become the clown, that stays for life.

15:41

That is the trade -off that you're making with

15:43

that costume. mean, your mom didn't know that at

15:45

the time, but that's what she's imprinted that. your

15:48

psyche. Yeah. She just stressed

15:50

me up as an accountant. Everything

15:52

would be so much easier in my family. What

15:54

sort of, where did you grow up, Alex? Kind

15:57

of all over. So I,

15:59

so that's in Paris. And

16:01

I lived in Paris. Not

16:03

there for a... No, it's... Look, we went

16:05

pull a cock. We started really early. I

16:08

found my inner clown. Come on. There's going

16:10

to be a lot of privilege in this

16:12

podcast, but going to the most expensive clown

16:14

school in the world. That's a one bit.

16:16

That's the one bit where I'm not going

16:18

to be a little puff boy. My

16:21

dad is a retired

16:23

diplomat. So my dad

16:25

was working in the

16:27

British Embassy in Paris between

16:29

90... 295?

16:32

That's something like that. So I would have been about 4 -1

16:34

that. Fascinating. So diplomats, they obviously

16:36

move around quite a bit depending

16:38

on what embassy they work at.

16:40

Is that so your father only

16:42

works in France or all over?

16:44

So mostly the Middle East. So

16:47

I was, as was

16:49

referred to in some of

16:51

my earlier routines, I

16:53

was conceived in Baghdad. as

16:57

one can be, but

16:59

born in Britain, but then evacuated

17:01

from the first Gulf War, but like

17:04

aged one, so I don't have

17:06

any memory of that. But so he

17:08

was working in the British Embassy

17:10

in Baghdad. 88

17:12

to 91, something like that.

17:14

Wow. That is a

17:16

very torrid time. A spicy time.

17:19

My dad has a track record

17:21

of, I would say, has

17:23

a diplomat leaving regions spicier than

17:25

they were before his arrival.

17:27

his diplomacy skills. You know,

17:29

that's when you have to argue. You

17:32

know, when you're applying for a job that

17:34

you can either argue you were good at that

17:36

job, or you argued it was so irrelevant

17:38

in that organisation that the organisation's failure. He's

17:41

not like, I'm a great diplomat. He's like,

17:43

well, it's I'm just one cog in a

17:45

large machine. You can't blame this cog for

17:47

that. So yeah. So

17:50

when I was, when I,

17:52

yeah, the postings my dad had

17:54

when I was alive were

17:56

Baghdad, Paris, Jerusalem

17:58

and Tunis. So those.

18:00

Jerusalem. So my dad Another spicy

18:02

place. Yeah. So my dad was, if

18:04

my dad was sort of console

18:06

general to the Palestinians, but it's like

18:09

a, it basically would, would be

18:11

our master. But you can't, it's more

18:13

complicated to label that because of

18:15

the occupation. Yes. So yeah.

18:18

I don't know. What a fantastic opportunity.

18:20

And also Jerusalem is such a

18:22

city that's got so much history, just

18:24

for so many different religions for

18:26

the Christian religion, for Muslim and Jews

18:28

alike, and to have all of

18:30

that in one city. But

18:33

I guess you're right, between 8 and 11,

18:35

you're like, you cares, I want to play

18:37

Thundercats or whatever. Yeah, exactly. Well, I think

18:39

there's somewhere, there's a photo of me and,

18:41

like, Yasser Arafat in a, um, in, I

18:43

don't think I can find. That should be

18:45

in there. It should be in there, but

18:47

I don't think it. Why didn't you put

18:49

the photo of you and Yasser Arafat? I

18:54

couldn't find the photo, but even if

18:56

I had, you know, there's a lot

18:58

going on. And

19:01

the Paris pictures preschool. The

19:04

Paris pictures, I went to

19:06

like, you know, nursery in

19:08

Paris. And so I would have

19:10

been. And would it always have been that

19:12

when the time you would always have gone to

19:14

school in? Britain that was going to be

19:16

there. Yes. So you bought it? So I went

19:18

to boarding school in Britain, which is like

19:21

a... How old were you, Alex, when you went?

19:23

I went on my eighth birthday, which

19:25

is... On your eighth birthday? No!

19:29

I always tried to get a routine going over the

19:31

line about how you don't prioritize things correctly as

19:33

a child, because I think on my eighth birthday I

19:35

was like... Three cakes. Like, I wasn't really focusing

19:37

on, like, they're not seeing my parents for, like, large

19:39

chunks of time. Do you remember it? How well

19:41

do you remember? What that, the

19:43

kind of feeling of that. I think I

19:45

was, like, pretty, you know, I think I

19:47

was pretty homesick for, like, large periods of

19:50

that time. Yeah, that's little. Too young to

19:52

not hang out. a baby. I think about

19:54

my children. I mean,

19:56

I've spoken to Iva about this. Iva

19:58

Graham, who, you know, was taught in

20:00

length about... know, going to boarding school

20:02

so young, but I remember when my

20:04

children were seven and I thought I

20:07

imagine sending you to an institution.

20:09

Put them in a suit,

20:11

get them out the door. I

20:13

suppose your circumstances are different. There's

20:17

a joke about it in my

20:19

show, but basically like the two options

20:21

are... don't see your parents aged

20:24

eight for large chunks of the year

20:26

or have to move school every

20:28

three years and then like lose your

20:30

friends there and not have like

20:32

a kind of. To build that up.

20:34

So that's the options if you're

20:36

like a diplomat. Yeah, either choice pretty

20:38

tough for a kid. Yes, but

20:40

so much educational privilege at the time.

20:44

Do you have fond memories of well?

20:46

Yeah, I've got really, and I

20:48

met, you know, I met Ivo school.

20:51

like I've and I are friends

20:53

for like 20 years before we're talking

20:55

other. Let's say the E word. I

20:57

wasn't going to bring the E word in.

21:00

You know, yeah, it's, you know,

21:02

if you say, I don't know. Oh,

21:07

you know. No. Yeah,

21:11

that was the wrong idiom to use at

21:13

that time. I just love

21:15

watching that ship suddenly fly off

21:17

Kerry's shoulder. Very

21:20

different schools. So

21:22

you met Ivo when you were little?

21:24

Yes. Oh, wow. That's so lovely that

21:26

you stay friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So

21:28

I met him aged 13 in a

21:30

maths class. And we remember

21:32

that I claimed to know the ultimate joke

21:34

ever, but I can't remember what that like

21:36

the kind of Tenacious D song. I can't

21:38

remember the song. But comedy was the bonding.

21:41

I think so. Yeah. But

21:43

he started before me. But yeah. I

21:45

mean, I've started. A

21:48

child. He popped out the

21:50

fetus with a tight find about the wound. So

21:53

what was it? So tell us, what

21:55

were you like as a kid? I

21:57

mean, who was the baby, Alex? I

21:59

don't know. I mean, I mean, like

22:01

I've, yeah, I guess I think quite

22:03

nerdy. I've got there's like... Clown?

22:06

Yeah, but I'm not, but I'm not. There's

22:08

like, what's funny about that is it's just

22:10

I'm not, I'm like the least clowny comedian.

22:12

I'm like a sort of. You're the next

22:14

sound. Round on it.

22:16

It's like, what am I, some

22:18

kind of clown? Yeah, you're

22:20

dressed as a clown. The

22:28

next photo is by this Paul. Yes,

22:31

I'm guessing is in Jerusalem. It's that

22:33

I think that's in I think that's

22:35

in Jordan. So your dad was So

22:37

we would we were living in East

22:39

Jerusalem and then I think we just

22:42

went I think we might have been

22:44

on holiday for a few days in

22:46

Jordan That have

22:48

been lovely that when you

22:50

left school that you would

22:52

be going somewhere That

22:54

was kind of exciting that had

22:56

a different culture that sort of

22:58

really transported you away from... Yeah,

23:01

and then both Tunisia and Jerusalem

23:03

have this mixture of contemporary history,

23:05

but also both have so much

23:07

multi -thousand year old. And Tunisia has

23:09

so much kind of Carthaginian and

23:11

Roman history. So there's both modern

23:13

stuff, and then also you're going

23:16

to some of the... preserved amphitheaters

23:18

in the Mediterranean. And you were

23:20

into that by then. You had

23:22

an appreciation of that. I think

23:24

so. Yes. Did your dad go

23:26

to Eaton? Is it a kind

23:28

of family? No, he didn't. So

23:30

what's his background? How did he

23:33

end up being a diplomat? Because

23:35

it's quite an extraordinary life. He

23:37

went straight into the foreign office

23:39

after university and stayed there until

23:41

and you have to retire. Will

23:44

you have to retire slightly early in the front?

23:46

You've retired like 60, which is a bit mad to

23:48

me when it's like you're... Assets

23:50

are like increased language and cultural knowledge and

23:52

cultural understanding of other countries so that

23:54

it feels like 60 doesn't feel like you're

23:56

already down the dementia mines. Like it

23:58

feels you're at the peak. So there's a

24:00

lot of like, there's kind of a

24:03

10 year period where a lot of like

24:05

diplomats are doing other kind of like

24:07

freelancing work after they all like have to

24:09

do like a mini like late career.

24:11

PIVX is quite. quite early for that kind

24:13

of job to retire. And

24:15

to be successful in that kind of

24:17

work and to have a family was always

24:19

going to be, I suppose he knew

24:22

that that meant that he was going to

24:24

send his kids away. And how did

24:26

your mum feel about that life and moving

24:28

around? Yeah, I mean,

24:30

I think my parents really enjoyed

24:32

it and got so much meaning.

24:34

And you know, my dad rat

24:37

like was chairman of the medical for

24:39

Palestinians for 10 years after we like

24:41

after he retired and like I think

24:43

that so it was a passionate kind

24:45

of yeah it's like it's always interesting

24:47

to me people that have family life

24:49

and their career takes them away and

24:51

it's just though those are two can

24:54

be quite you know they can pull

24:56

in different directions and it's like that's

24:58

an amazing decision to say we're going

25:00

to have a family and we're going

25:02

to have this kind of life and

25:04

career and we're going to make it

25:06

work, you know. And how

25:08

did your mum enjoy being a diplomat's wife

25:10

and her kids going away to school?

25:12

I think largely enjoyed it. I mean, it

25:14

is like one of those weird things

25:16

where there's, you know, there's quite like, regressive

25:19

elements to it a bit in that

25:21

like your role as a diplomat spouse is

25:23

that you're like doing kind of this

25:25

like, unpaid second job where you're

25:27

like doing all this like yeah just like

25:29

all this like and like entertaining which sounds

25:31

like but only had to go to a

25:33

park but it's like you're like hosting stuff

25:36

that's like vital for like building up trade

25:38

but it's an important role like this country

25:40

and like you're doing your you are doing

25:42

work but you're not really being like paid

25:44

for it. Yeah, but it's a package that

25:46

you are. exactly. So which is just, you

25:48

wouldn't have that another, you know,

25:50

it's a bit mad that that's a thing

25:52

because it feels like a throwback to like

25:54

the 19th century or something that it's like,

25:57

this is someone's job, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

25:59

Yeah, it is someone's job. And I don't

26:01

think it's that everyone can do because you're

26:03

having to navigate some really difficult conversations. And

26:06

like you said, often it'll be really

26:08

important to have these relationships need to work

26:10

or you need to be able to

26:12

smooth over something that maybe has gone badly

26:14

or whatever, or something that you're representing

26:16

your country, your country has done something and

26:18

then you have to go in and

26:20

go, oh, I'm sorry about that. Would

26:23

you like another glass of champagne? Tasha

26:25

actually meant was that we shouldn't go

26:27

to war with you. Yeah,

26:29

no, it's a really valuable role. stressful.

26:32

Yeah, it's what it is. One of those

26:34

like you're not, I suppose, like very different

26:36

career to my dad, but like it's another

26:38

like kind of your, you're not often the

26:41

same way that there's like stuff that you

26:43

can be doing. And he must have depended

26:45

a lot on her. Yeah, yeah. You

26:47

know, um, yeah. So

26:49

that's a partnership. Yeah, absolutely.

26:51

And, um, and, but,

26:53

but my dad married quite late.

26:55

So my dad is 80. Uh

26:57

huh. the was 18 October. So

27:00

I think he got married

27:02

when he was like 43, like

27:04

it and had me at like 44. He

27:07

didn't have me. I

27:10

mean, like,

27:12

I guess, you know, maybe in his like late

27:14

30s, he was like, maybe I'm just going to

27:16

be one of those. Single diplomats,

27:18

but you're in your if you're gonna say

27:20

he's got this career then you are kind

27:22

of going I wonder if I'll find someone

27:24

that wants to do this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:26

You know because it is a big yeah,

27:29

and I guess they want I mean I

27:31

don't know how much younger your mum is

27:33

but I imagine you know when you get

27:35

to that age when you're in your 40s,

27:37

you know, whoever you're dating you're there's gonna

27:39

be somebody's around about a similar age to

27:41

you that's kind of sort of. Yeah,

27:45

we'll know what they're stepping into. It's not like, you

27:47

know, when you get together with someone really young and then

27:49

you go, I've got this idea. I've got this career.

27:51

Oh, I'm going to be a diplomat and you've got to

27:53

come and be my, you know, you're like, oh, I

27:55

didn't say that. You know, it's a different thing that he's

27:57

already very established. Your mom would have known what she

27:59

was going into. That's true. That's true. Let's

28:10

go to your third picture, Alex. And this

28:12

picture. I don't think are

28:14

you in this picture? I am in this

28:16

picture. I will also say that my hair is

28:18

so I've had the worst haircut of my

28:20

life yesterday. So I'm very flumpy hair in this

28:22

picture. Yeah. Yeah. That is more that's more

28:24

my usual hair than what I'm currently sporting. So

28:27

there we go. That's me on the left.

28:29

I swear. I promise. I

28:31

believe you. What's the guy? What's going on

28:33

the guy in the middle? So I'm so I

28:35

am. 19 and

28:37

I'm travelling around America for a

28:40

few weeks with my friend

28:42

Greg. Greg is on the right.

28:44

Greg's on the right. And

28:46

we've got, I think, a revolutionary

28:48

American. That's basically either

28:50

in Concord in Boston or

28:52

it's in Colonial Williamsburg in

28:54

Virginia. So it's like

28:56

a historical kind role play

28:59

actor. Yeah. I had a

29:01

full blown chat with a Roman woman at

29:03

the Roman Barlesy. I was like, Hey! Hi,

29:06

what are you? And she went okay, and

29:08

we locked in we locked in She stayed in

29:10

character and then I was asking her all

29:12

the right questions. Where are you from? What's your

29:14

trade? Have you got family blah blah blah?

29:16

She was like fully in and then we had

29:18

an odd and then we came off piece

29:20

where I was like Can we just talk now

29:23

human and she was like yes. Have you

29:25

ever read moon tiger? No lively

29:27

book that won the Book of

29:29

Prize in the 80s anyway is

29:31

kept the main character is a

29:33

historian and she has a all

29:36

blown hilarious row with an

29:38

actor who is roleplaying a medieval. I

29:41

love, I love, cause it's a real

29:43

sliding doors. I could have been, I definitely

29:45

could have been like a Viking at

29:47

the Jorvik center without any doubt. Like

29:49

if things have, if I hadn't

29:51

found comedy, I'd have been fine. Somewhere

29:53

in the Tarot London show. And

29:55

you're like going like, this is Pete.

29:57

This was the crude oil of

29:59

my time. My family are from a

30:02

bog. I

30:04

just I'm fascinated by people

30:06

that do that job because I'm

30:08

like never like that could

30:10

have been me. That's not their

30:12

end point. They're not there

30:14

going, oh, I am, and this is - You

30:16

don't know that? They don't think that, they do

30:18

they? No one's going, oh, I guess this is

30:20

me now. Yeah, but if he wants to work

30:22

his way up to general, he's like a private

30:25

here. He wants to his way up to general.

30:27

If you're into history and you're an actor and

30:29

an out -of -work actor and then someone goes, here,

30:31

wear this outfit and learn a bit of history

30:33

and talk to story, she'd be like, I'm saying

30:35

this. There's a commitment there. I can see that.

30:37

Look at his face. He's not breaking character at

30:39

all. He looks well into it, but he's probably

30:41

thinking in five years' time, I'll be - I'll be

30:44

a Hollywood star. Anyway,

30:46

we've hijacked your story. Well, so

30:48

we were just travelling around. I

30:50

basically was really into, so between

30:53

school and university, I was just

30:55

really into American history and we

30:57

did like, I... worked in

30:59

a pub for a few months and then like...

31:01

Where did you work the pub? Oh, in the UK.

31:03

So the UK, I Yeah, yeah.

31:05

But what I did with a year between school

31:07

and university is I spent months working in a

31:09

pub and then promptly travelled to the one place

31:11

that I wouldn't be allowed to buy a pint

31:13

at my age. So we

31:15

did like... New England. New England. We

31:17

did someone called Harper's Ferry, which

31:20

is this like... little town on the

31:22

border of like Virginia, West Virginia

31:24

and Maryland. And then it like changed

31:26

hands like eight times in the

31:28

Civil War. It's where the rivers Shenandoah

31:30

and Potomac connect. And also it's

31:33

a place where John Brown, who tried

31:35

to two years before the American

31:37

Civil War, tried to like start a

31:39

kind of sort of slave rebellion,

31:41

basically. So he like invaded this tiny

31:43

little town that had like a

31:46

big cache of weapons and then was

31:48

trying to basically free a bunch

31:50

of slaves and then give them arms

31:52

to like rise up against the

31:54

like slave owners. And so he's kind

31:56

of like a kind of martyr

31:59

for like the like army, just gun

32:01

down. Yeah, yeah. So he's like

32:03

a sort of martyr for kind of

32:05

abolitionists. Brown University named after him

32:07

or is that somebody else? I don't know. I

32:09

think that's like older. I'm going to get. Yeah.

32:12

But like, yeah, so we

32:14

bet you love a Ken Burns documentary, don't

32:16

you? Yeah, I love it. My favourite type

32:18

of documentary is when there's no video and

32:20

it's just old black and white photos with

32:23

the camera slowly panning across. The

32:25

ultimate nerve thing is like, I don't even

32:27

like a history documentary. I just want it to

32:29

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32:41

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32:45

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32:47

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32:49

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32:52

secrets they hide. You can't talk about

32:54

this. You can't write about it. Are the

32:56

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32:58

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34:07

is a fancy dress party

34:09

that you've committed. And

34:11

you appear to Well, my wife has committed.

34:13

My wife has smashed it. And she

34:15

has... No, I was thinking you. You've

34:17

painted your face. Well, this is exactly... So

34:19

this is exactly the question, isn't it?

34:22

Because it's cloud called again? So that is

34:24

vision. Vision. And my wife is dressed

34:26

as Wanda. Wanda, yeah. Vision is played by

34:28

Paul... Bethany. Bethany. Bethany? Bethany?

34:30

Paul Bethany. Paul Bethany. And what movie is

34:32

that from? So that's from, it's from

34:34

a lot of the Marvel films, and then

34:36

they have a... WandaVision was my portal

34:38

into Marvel. Oh, great. So like all the

34:41

pastiches of the comedy shows, right? Yes.

34:43

I loved it. And I didn't really do

34:45

Marvel. It came out in lockdown, didn't

34:47

it? So I remember being like, oh, well,

34:49

watch this and loving it. And then

34:51

I was like, Marvel. So

34:53

it's like they... The one of the

34:55

main formats of it is it becomes

34:57

a kind of running each episode almost

34:59

does a like pastiche or loving homage

35:02

to like a different type of American

35:04

comedy. So you get like classic ones

35:06

like Bewitched and that goes all the

35:08

way through to like 50s ones. And

35:10

then Malcolm in the middle one and then there's

35:12

like an office one. So it becomes like quite

35:14

meta where they start doing like bits to camera

35:16

like the office. They just do it brilliantly. It's

35:18

so good. If you love like, I mean, if

35:20

you grow up watching American sitcom, it

35:22

just Nails it, doesn't it? It's

35:24

so clever. Okay, I'll check it

35:26

out. Where is it on? Disney class. I can't

35:29

do Disney. Boycotting. Can't do Disney. I don't to

35:31

say. It'll be... You can borrow it somewhere, I'm

35:33

sure. Oh, no. Not doing that. So you're not

35:35

doing Marvel. You've never done Marvel. I've got children.

35:37

Of course we've done Marvel, but I've had to

35:39

tell the kids we're knocking all that on the

35:41

head now. They have no more Coca -Cola, no more

35:43

Disney. Right. No more aerial, automatic, no more Colgate,

35:45

and no more Haribo. Sorry, kids.

35:48

Right. That's a lot of boycotting. Yeah.

35:50

Gotta do it. Yeah. Anyway. What are

35:52

we talking about? Why did you go

35:54

to this party as WandaVision's party? So

35:56

that was in the first sort of...

35:58

eight, six, eight months of me dating

36:00

my now wife, and she is much

36:03

better. Is that a weird phrase? You've

36:05

enjoyed that. Well, there's

36:07

a sort of in Ivo's best man speech

36:09

for me, he uses that photo as

36:11

a jumping off point for a very good

36:13

joke, and it where he talks about,

36:15

he describes vision in detail, implying that I'm

36:18

like vision by talking about him. Wanda

36:20

being like a fun charismatic,

36:22

and then who gets together with

36:24

vision, a cold calculating synthesizer. So

36:29

that's all the energy. Who

36:32

painted your head? So Mari

36:34

did. So she put a

36:36

ball cap on my head.

36:38

so good. It's amazing. And

36:40

then she spent her birthday

36:42

painting my head. And

36:45

it's really wasn't they had to do that

36:47

every day. Yeah, exactly. And some of the

36:49

some of the days he'll just be like

36:51

a noddy and like a sort of to

36:53

like you all the like Hobbit actors in

36:55

order the rings got really they countered the

36:57

number of days that their feet weren't in

36:59

shot when they had to put the feet

37:01

on. Yeah. Anyway, they. Yeah. So I'm I'm

37:03

like so a bit all to the pain.

37:05

looks amazing. But she

37:07

looks. amazing. She looks beautiful. She looks

37:09

stunning. But then you

37:12

look perfect. You look exactly like the

37:14

character you're supposed to be. It's such a

37:16

great job. But the paint wasn't fully

37:18

dry. So I went to Pierre de Valleys,

37:20

who I think was on the podcast

37:22

recently, his Halloween party.

37:25

And so like Mari said to me like, OK,

37:27

just be very careful because your head is

37:29

It's wet. So enjoy the party, but also don't

37:31

touch anyone at any point. And

37:33

so I think when I came in, I

37:35

like kneeled over to like, I'm like, I'm

37:38

going to be a good house guest. I'll

37:40

take my shoes off. And then when I

37:42

leaned over, I had my head in the

37:44

wall. So it's like, yeah, if you've noticed

37:46

a red splotch on your wall somewhere, that's

37:48

vision pain. Get the gumption out. What

37:50

I'm loving about this photo as

37:52

well is I'm just zoning in

37:54

on the drinks. shelves

37:56

at the back. Wow. You are

37:59

stocked guys. Yeah. That's

38:01

a very well stocked drinks.

38:03

That was a Mari's flat. Yeah. She's done, she's,

38:05

she's done well there. We've, I think we've got,

38:07

I think we've taken most of those with Where

38:09

did you and her meet? How did you meet?

38:11

So we met on Twitter. Well

38:15

known dating website. Exactly.

38:17

Pre -fascism. The pre -fascism dating

38:19

days of Twitter. When

38:22

it was still Twitter. When it was still Twitter. Exactly.

38:25

How did that get going? So

38:27

we were sort of replying to each other.

38:29

I think she's quite a... She'll hate me

38:32

saying this. She's a big fan of Pierre's

38:34

podcast, Bugpod. Right. And like, I'm very good

38:36

fans of Pierre. And I think we sort

38:38

of met in the kind of mentions of...

38:40

Started flirting online. Yes. And I love it.

38:42

And I wanted to slide in her DMs,

38:44

but I was like, I don't, I can't,

38:46

I'm a man and I don't want to.

38:48

I don't want to shit. She slid into

38:50

my DMs, which is a delight. I knew

38:52

that I to. When did you know it

38:54

was on? We're

39:02

not sharing favourite moments from

39:04

Bum Pod anymore. That's not what...

39:06

I was just fascinated by

39:08

people that go from just talking

39:10

on Twitter to flirting on

39:12

Twitter to meeting in the real

39:15

world. Yeah. I think it's

39:17

like, I think it's, I think it's like,

39:19

when you do a DM slide, the

39:21

respectful thing to do is to make

39:23

it, cause like it's kind of like,

39:25

it's so obvious what you're doing, cause

39:27

it's like, what? You couldn't continue this

39:29

conversation in public. Why, why are

39:32

you now like, you've done the equivalent of like

39:34

grabbing someone at a drink party and you're like,

39:36

like, so you better have, I think the appropriate

39:38

thing to do is like, everyone knows why you've

39:40

gone into the cupboard. So you better have a

39:42

fucking great way of them going like, no thanks.

39:44

don't want to be in the cupboard anymore. So

39:47

I answer my question. Yeah,

39:49

yeah, yeah. I think, Mark,

39:52

we've been talking about which

39:54

of the three male CNN

39:56

hosts of the 2020 election

39:58

coverage. Oh my God, you

40:00

guys are so niche. This

40:02

is so niche. And

40:05

so we were debating which of

40:07

Jake Tapper, Phil Mattingly or John King,

40:09

we found most sexually desirable. Right.

40:11

Who did you opt for? I chose

40:13

for Phil Mattingly, who's quite a

40:15

young boyish one, but she went for

40:17

the kind of, the John King

40:19

kind of silver fox, who's like a

40:21

very John King is like, got

40:23

the what he, it's Matt. He looks,

40:25

he's got a chin like Mr.

40:27

Incredible. Like it's like, it's crazy. It's

40:29

just like. Um, so that

40:31

was her, that was her preference. Okay. We can

40:33

bring a few pictures of. Yeah. Best

40:35

I've ever seen all these guys. Um, uh,

40:38

what was I can say? as soon as you're in DMs,

40:40

you met. Yeah. Yeah. It was, cause it was in

40:42

the, it was in the pandemic. It was in like, it

40:44

was in like Jan 2021. So it

40:46

was quite like we then spent that whole

40:48

day basically messaging. And then it's one of

40:50

those things where it's like, you've got to,

40:53

got to lock in a day. You

40:55

can't let it start to fizzle. So we

40:57

just messaged all that day and then locked

40:59

in a. a walk on Hampstead Heath, like

41:01

a couple weeks later. Muldwine

41:04

and Hampstead Heath, two

41:06

metres apart. Didn't

41:08

you go into a bush? Lots of people

41:11

drinking in bushes in our local parks. You

41:13

know, date two, we might

41:15

have, you know, might have violated

41:17

a two -metre gap at that

41:19

point. Glad to hear it. It

41:22

is romantic. We love stories

41:24

like that because it's been years since

41:26

we did anything romantic. Not together, I

41:28

just mean as individuals. That

41:36

is me, Ivo, and me, my

41:38

wife, and then Ivo, who is

41:40

sort of known as Dupree in

41:42

our relationship, that he's the sort

41:44

of third, you know, the

41:46

very much desired third wheel in our relationship.

41:49

And he was my best man, yeah.

41:52

So you went for it, you had

41:54

a big wedding? We had a big

41:56

wedding. Where did you get married? We

41:58

got married in Scotland. Her parents live

42:00

like in quite a rural, well,

42:02

they live, they live down the Mulligan

42:04

Tire. So it's like

42:06

gorgeous up that way.

42:08

Yeah, it's great. It

42:10

was amazing. Did you have a

42:13

like a trad Scottish? Did

42:15

you get married in the castle? Yes, we

42:17

got married in a church in Scotland. Pierre

42:21

had a kilt. Pierre had his manks because

42:23

like the Isle of Man has a kilt.

42:25

So he was wearing his like magical razor.

42:27

I love that he went in a kilt

42:30

good for him. Yeah, yeah. A man that

42:32

tall with a, you know, I think you've

42:34

got a big, big tall man in the

42:36

kilt. can upskirt him really easily, couldn't you?

42:38

I'm whistling. Sorry, P .M. I had to.

42:40

I didn't mean to. I literally turned my

42:42

head and I just stood up and now

42:44

I bit me under your kilt. Oh,

42:48

that's a lovely end to this.

42:50

So when did you guys get married

42:52

again? So we got married in

42:55

June. It's

43:00

quite near down memory. The sun came

43:02

out as well, which is a little

43:04

bit of rain, which my father -in -law

43:06

said it was a good bit of

43:08

luck. You want a little bit of

43:10

rain. That's what he said. I

43:12

don't know. Old people have got some weird

43:15

things about luck, haven't they? Well, luck is

43:17

usually just a way of spinning a bad

43:19

situation. Like if a bird shits on you,

43:21

it's like, oh, it's lucky. But

43:24

it didn't rain all day, which

43:26

is lovely. Yeah, it was very

43:28

great weather, special day, great speeches,

43:30

fantastic speech. Get a comedian to

43:32

be your best man. Yeah,

43:36

I voted. He did

43:38

a tight 25. Have you heard that?

43:40

He did Jenny do 26 minutes. It

43:42

was like, I think the camera, he'll

43:44

hate me. The cameraman had to change

43:46

your memory card during this. It

43:49

was really, it was really good. He would

43:51

have been enjoying himself. Marys is great. Marys opening

43:53

line was quoting Princess Diana saying there were

43:55

three of us in this marriage. Did

44:00

you go on holiday with

44:02

Ivo? Did he join you on

44:04

your honeymoon? No, no. We

44:06

made sure that he had some important

44:08

book work at the same time so that

44:10

he couldn't come out at the same time. Alex,

44:19

before you go, I would love to use

44:21

tell us. Are you on tour? What's going

44:23

on? Tell us about your

44:25

podcast you do with Ivo. Tell us

44:27

everything. Great. Well, yes, I am

44:30

on tour. I'm taking a show about

44:32

sort of anxiety around the country

44:34

at the moment, running from now until...

44:36

I mean, we can all connect. Good.

44:39

Yeah. Honest to me. I think so.

44:41

People relate. We're all feeling anxious, aren't

44:44

we? But it's my

44:46

least political show. It's my most personal show.

44:48

But if you're listening to a podcast about

44:50

memories and... Oh, we've got a lot of

44:52

emotions. Great. This is what people want. Yeah.

44:54

So that's what that's happening the moment. I'm

44:56

very proud of it. I think it's my

44:58

best show. It's sales

45:00

are going very well in some

45:02

places and also not in

45:04

some places. that about? We were

45:06

talking about that. Why is it that some

45:09

towns are like... Another town to

45:11

like, who are you? We're talking about crew. We

45:13

don't need to go. Lancaster. Lancaster.

45:15

Just How about Lancaster? We

45:18

don't want to buy tickets. Yes.

45:20

But anyway, they can buy tickets. They

45:22

can buy tickets at keely .com if

45:25

they want to go on there.

45:27

Fantastic for me. podcast? And the podcast

45:29

is Gigpigs, which is certainly a

45:31

name that rhymes. Because

45:34

of what the availability and then the buying

45:36

of tickets. So we'll exactly so with

45:38

gig so gig pegs is me and I

45:40

vote and we take a guests

45:42

usually a comedian to go watch a band

45:44

or just some live music. We then

45:46

meet up again to talk about to like

45:48

record the podcast. We talk about the

45:50

gig, but also the guests like kind of

45:52

memories and relationship with live music more

45:55

generally. It sounds great. It's so fun. Um,

45:57

but it just, it means that we

45:59

have to find a night where three comedians

46:01

have a night off, which is like,

46:03

it's hard. We're trying

46:05

to be busy. We're trying to be busy. He's.

46:07

He's one of the busiest men on the

46:09

planet for some. of the busiest men in the

46:11

universe. He sees an empty page on his

46:13

diary as a personal insult. Plug

46:16

that or the voices will come. That's

46:18

what I used to say about gaps

46:20

in diaries. 100%. So yeah. Thank you. Thank

46:22

you so much for having me. I

46:24

really enjoyed this. Oh, it's so much fun.

46:26

Brilliant story. Cheers, Alex. Thank you. I'm

46:38

Max Rushton. I'm David O'Daherty. And we'd like

46:40

to invite you to listen to our new

46:42

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46:44

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46:46

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46:48

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46:51

I'm still not sure where we put

46:53

the stress. Is it what did you do

46:55

yesterday? What did you

46:57

do yesterday? You know what I

46:59

mean? What did you do yesterday? I'm

47:01

really downplaying it. Like, what did you do yesterday? Like,

47:04

I'm just, I'm just a guy just asking a question.

47:06

But do you think I should go bigger? What

47:08

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47:10

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47:12

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47:14

to try and make it like

47:17

it is the killer word.

47:19

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47:21

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47:23

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47:25

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