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Hello and welcome to Memory Lane. I'm

1:01

Jen Brister. And I'm Kerry Godleyman. Each

1:03

week we'll be taking a trip down

1:05

Memory Lane with our very special guest

1:07

as they bring in four photos from

1:09

their lives to talk about. To check

1:11

out the photos we'll be having a

1:13

natter with them about. They're on the

1:15

episode image and you can also see

1:17

them a little bit more clearly on

1:19

our Instagram page so have a little

1:21

look at Memory Lane podcast. Come on,

1:23

we can all be nosy together. Do

1:27

you know what I'm doing? I've never

1:30

done before for the first time. I'm

1:32

listening to an audio book. Never

1:34

listen to an audio book. Always

1:36

read books. I listen to podcasts, I

1:38

read books. Why? And I'm in a

1:41

book group and I haven't got time

1:43

to sit and read the book group

1:45

and I haven't got time to sit

1:47

and read the book. You're doing double-time.

1:49

So I'm like doing double-time. So I'm

1:52

like doing, I'm getting shit-down one, I'm

1:54

listening to sex in it. Oh great.

1:56

And like all set. Rooney books? Sexy

1:58

time. Sexy times. And it's like microcosm

2:01

sexy times. So what's happening? The finger

2:03

goes in there, there's some moisture there,

2:05

their breath went there. Okay. Okay so

2:07

it's that kind of like micro detail

2:09

of fornication? Yes. Fornication. Yes. Fornication. All

2:12

right. Well it's a book. So we

2:14

use long words. We don't just say

2:16

shagging. All right. And I was on

2:18

the tube and I've got shit of

2:21

headphones. I've got shit headphones. on a

2:23

really pack too. Right. In the middle

2:25

of something going inside something else. Something

2:27

else. And someone calling out in pleasure.

2:30

Oh God. How loud was it? It

2:32

was loud enough for a couple of

2:34

people to give me direct eye contact.

2:36

And I really wanted to say, hey,

2:38

this is high brow. Yeah. This is

2:41

not pawned. I'm not being caught on

2:43

a train watching porn. No. I'm reading

2:45

Sally Rooney. She's a very respected roator.

2:47

Yes. She is. She is. And I

2:50

didn't want the judgment that those eyes

2:52

gave me. I really felt defensive. No.

2:54

Because I'm really cultured. You are cultured.

2:56

But in that moment, no one cared

2:58

about how cultured you may or may

3:01

not be. They just thought she's listening

3:03

to porn. Or... Erotic. Erotic. Erotica. Erotica.

3:05

Yeah. I mean, I haven't read that.

3:07

Have you read that 50 shades of

3:10

Watson? No, but I've read all of

3:12

Sally Rooney's and there's always a little

3:14

bit of filth in there. It's a

3:16

little bit. It's a little bit little

3:18

bit of daresy tar. Yeah. Well, I

3:21

mean, I don't know whether it's because

3:23

I'm getting older or what it is.

3:25

You don't want sex talk. I don't

3:27

think I want it. I can't. Yeah,

3:30

but Sally Rooney makes it. Pleasurable. Yeah.

3:32

That's the wrong word. That's the wrong

3:34

word. She makes it intellectual, intellectual shagging.

3:36

Oh, intellectual shagging is fine, actually. Yeah,

3:38

I was just trying something on my

3:41

phone. Porn? It wasn't porn. But it

3:43

was sexy. It was sexy time. And

3:45

it was a show called, it's a

3:47

show called Outlander, and in, I don't

3:50

even know what episode it is, but

3:52

there's a particular episode where there is

3:54

a very long protracted sexy. And I

3:56

just happened. Watch it a few times.

3:59

No, it was on a train, and

4:01

I thought, oh. I'll watch that again,

4:03

I'll run that back. I missed a

4:05

slow mode. Something. Let's go back. And

4:07

after I've watched it three or four

4:10

times, I noticed that the woman sat

4:12

next to me, uh-oh, had, was like,

4:14

watching it with me. Oh, yeah. And

4:16

I thought, I'm uncomfortable with the fact

4:19

that you're watching it with me. And

4:21

I can't figure out, because I didn't

4:23

want to get eye-contact with her, I

4:25

didn't figure out-rage. Is she watching it

4:27

with me, going, I cannot believe that

4:30

you think that you think this is

4:32

a popular? Watching. But people do. But

4:34

you know where people watch it, then

4:36

they almost want you to know, like,

4:39

I'm watching this, but I want you

4:41

to know, that I disapprove of you

4:43

watching this, well, I'm watching this, and

4:45

I'm only watching this to let you

4:47

know that I disapprove. And I didn't

4:50

look. I didn't look. You cared. But

4:52

also, I thought, you cared. But also,

4:54

I thought, there was a little bit

4:56

of me that when she seems to

4:59

be enjoying this, but I'm watching this

5:01

to let you know that I disapprove,

5:03

that I disapprove, that I disapprove, that

5:05

I disapprove, and I, and I, and

5:07

I, and I, and I, and I,

5:10

and I, and I, and I, and

5:12

I, and I didn't, and I, I

5:14

didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I, I

5:16

didn't, I didn't, I, I didn't, I

5:19

didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't,

5:21

I didn't, I So weird, isn't it,

5:23

those sort of public kind of sex

5:25

on a tube? Oh, it's too much.

5:28

I was on the subway in New

5:30

York when I was there. Guy was

5:32

watching Paul. No, no, no. Yes, he

5:34

was. Well, that's not allowed. It's unacceptable.

5:36

Un acceptable. You should have said something,

5:39

Jennifer. I was on a subway in

5:41

New York. Okay, so you could have

5:43

killed you. I'm not going to say

5:45

anything. Well, just blatantly sat there watching.

5:48

I literally... I feel a lot less

5:50

bad about the Sally Rooney anecdote now.

5:52

Oh, yeah, he was literally blatantly watching

5:54

pornography on the subway. And prior to

5:56

that, I want to say, there was

5:59

a man who had come on to

6:01

the tube. subway rather who was off

6:03

his absolute tree and was dancing with

6:05

his bum and his knob out and

6:08

why did you go in that order

6:10

because I saw his bum first oh

6:12

I see and then I saw the

6:14

fury on this man's face and I

6:16

went oh come on we've all seen

6:19

a bum and then I turned around

6:21

I went okay it's the fall everything

6:23

it's hard to keep half your pants

6:25

out the bums out the bums out

6:28

front's out But I just saw bums

6:30

out, bums out, bums out, bums out,

6:32

bums out, bums out, bums out, not

6:34

bums out, nobs out. And then, so

6:36

then my evening got rid of it,

6:39

and then I met Louisa Omelan at

6:41

her gig in wherever the hell we

6:43

were in New York, and Janine Garofalo

6:45

was there. Oh. Okay, Janine Garofalo, Google

6:48

it, for those of you who she

6:50

is, she's a very well-respected comedian, comedy

6:52

actor, she's in the Larry Sanders show,

6:54

she was in reality bites many years

6:56

ago, she's been loads of things. Anyway,

6:59

she's there, I turn up, I'm like,

7:01

oh my god, it's Janine Garofalo. On

7:03

the two? No, at this gig, at

7:05

this gig, at the gig, sorry, I

7:08

was still with the bummer. And I'm

7:10

like, so, now I'm like, talking to,

7:12

talking to Janine, talking to Janine, a

7:14

penis, a bum, and some sex on

7:17

her, and a sex on her, and

7:19

a sex on her phone. And sex

7:21

on her phone. That's a big night.

7:23

She was, I said, I'm sorry I'm

7:25

late, I had quite the time on

7:28

the subway. And then I said to

7:30

her, I guess, because this is New

7:32

York, right? This is the kind of

7:34

shit that happens all the time, but

7:37

she went, I literally, people talk about

7:39

that stuff, but that's not normal. Do

7:41

you think someone hired a theater company?

7:43

I was being pranked. I was being

7:45

pranked. Yeah, it was like, I had

7:48

porn, I had a penis. Yes, that's

7:50

a lot. I had a man shouting

7:52

at a man with his penis out.

7:54

That's too much, mate. It's too much

7:57

for me. Sorry that happened to you.

7:59

That's okay. I've got an anecdote now.

8:01

Yes, you did get an anecdote. Yeah,

8:03

I like my twee little... into my

8:05

little Sally Rooney in the microphone and

8:08

they heard it and then well this

8:10

boy was watching porn and you got

8:12

his knob out. I see your little

8:14

highbrow sexy anecdote and I raise it.

8:17

I like the way you've made this

8:19

highbrow why are you constantly having to

8:21

signpost your experiences as highbrow and my

8:23

experiences lowbrow because I was mine was

8:25

a piece of literature yeah and yours

8:28

was Porn. Yes, but I wasn't looking

8:30

at the porn. I was the

8:32

victim of porn adjacent to doing.

8:34

Porn adjacent, yeah. That's the thing. And

8:37

the sexy scene on the thing

8:39

with the woman watching. Well, that was

8:41

a different day, but yeah. And

8:43

that was high brow. That was high

8:45

brow. Yeah, it was a very high

8:48

brow show called Outlander. Anyone who's seen

8:50

it will know how high on the brow

8:52

that is. Have you seen it? No. You

8:54

must. You must. Is it Australian? Is it

8:57

Australian? Oh

9:04

God, I don't know where that

9:06

came from. No, it's, uh... I

9:08

don't know what it is, I

9:11

don't know what it is, I

9:13

don't know what it's saying, Scotland

9:15

in the future. Scottish, then let's

9:17

say it's Scottish. The other day

9:19

we were talking or doing something

9:22

and you went, I've got to

9:24

go now on a cycle. What

9:26

was that, tell us about that?

9:28

Oh, I went on a cycle, just

9:31

around where I live. Cakes? What's

9:33

so special about you then? You can't tell you they had these

9:35

donuts, right? They had a lemon meringue donut, it had a meringg

9:37

on the top of it, and inside it had lemon. What a

9:39

whole real lemon? Like an absolute... No, like a lemon. Because I

9:41

was going to say... That's how shit. Can you imagine you bite

9:43

into a donut? And there's a whole lemon on it. Oh, that's

9:45

not good. I lost a glove. That's all the information you need

9:48

to love. That's all the information you need. That's all the information

9:50

you need to know, you need to know, you need to know,

9:52

you need to know, you need to know, you know, but, but,

9:54

but, but, but, but, but, but, but, about, about, about, about, about,

9:56

about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about,

9:58

about, about, about, about, about, about, about the lemon and

10:01

then come all the way back.

10:03

That's a nice day out. That's

10:05

a nice day out. Well it

10:07

wouldn't really be a day, it'd

10:09

be about 15 minutes. But nonetheless,

10:12

lovely. Lovely. Lovely view. You should

10:14

go. Well you know I'm moving

10:16

down there. I know, when is

10:18

it, 2042? I've been looking at

10:20

flats mate, it's all going to

10:22

happen. I'll give you some top

10:25

tips. Thank you. I'd like you

10:27

too. You're welcome. Yeah, you can

10:29

come to me any time. I

10:31

am not going to put any

10:33

emotional investment in it because I

10:36

know it's not going to happen.

10:38

But I enjoy the journey. Yeah,

10:40

exactly. That's all right with this,

10:42

mate. It's a fantasy. Maybe I

10:44

should start looking somewhere. Where should

10:47

I be looking for? Cornwall. Spain?

10:49

Spain? You like Spain. But I

10:51

mean, I'm not going to buy

10:53

a place in Spain. I can't

10:55

live there. No. I thought you

10:57

were going to go to America.

11:00

That was a bigger, that's a

11:02

bigger dream, isn't it? America. You

11:04

need to go to America. Right

11:06

now, do you want to go

11:08

to America? Not really. Yeah, I

11:11

didn't want to say that, but

11:13

he's going there. But he's in

11:15

love, that's different. You're going to

11:17

need a lot of love to

11:19

eclipse out Trump. I mean, it's

11:22

not even just him, is it?

11:24

The whole gang. The magga gang.

11:26

Yeah, the magga gang. You're like,

11:28

you will not win? I had

11:30

plans and it involved America and

11:32

I don't care what the... I'm

11:35

going. I don't care if... It's

11:37

about to collapse. I don't care

11:39

of American imperialism as funding a

11:41

genocide. I'm going. It's all about

11:43

me. Yeah, you've got some gigs

11:46

booked in. I've got gigs booked

11:48

in. I'll be there. Who are

11:50

we talking to today? Today is

11:52

the day that we are talking

11:54

to the wonderful. Cariad Lloyd! Oh,

11:57

this was so delightful. I really

11:59

enjoyed this conversation. It was so

12:01

lovely to talk to Cariad. What

12:03

talent? I know, really talented. She's

12:05

so quick as well and funny.

12:07

Yes. But also an actor, a

12:10

writer, a raconteur. An improviser. A

12:12

podcaster? A podcaster. Don't forget a

12:14

podcaster. You always leave that one

12:16

off when we do our CVs.

12:18

I don't think of it as

12:21

a real thing. We've got a

12:23

podcast, Jay. I forget. I never

12:25

mention it. I just forget that

12:27

we're doing it. What? You've got

12:29

to big it up? Pilot. Are

12:32

you done? Broadcaster. Can I? Writer.

12:34

Mother. What else? Pilot. Pilot. Are

12:36

you done? Can I remind you

12:38

of something? Go on. You were

12:40

on a podcast, I believe it

12:42

was Adam Buxton's, and I don't

12:45

recall you mentioning our podcast on

12:47

that. Yes, I did. No, you

12:49

didn't. He cut a lot out.

12:51

We recorded twice the amount of

12:53

stuff and he cut that part

12:56

out and I was very relieved

12:58

that he did mention it in

13:00

the intro. So I do big

13:02

up podcast, but if people don't

13:04

use it, they don't use it.

13:07

God mention this one of the

13:09

Zoe Ball's radio shows this morning.

13:11

That's what I did on the

13:13

way here. And she said, memory

13:15

laying podcast with Jim Bristol. Well

13:17

done. Well done. Well done. So

13:20

I do mention it, mate. You

13:22

mentioned it. It's up there. You

13:24

can't find it. You can't get

13:26

it out. It's right. It's right

13:28

out there. It's right up there.

13:31

You're going to need some kind

13:33

of stuff. This is really not

13:35

the kind of intro I want

13:37

to do carry out. Okay, Joe

13:39

doesn't need to use any of

13:42

this. Yes, the wonderful. Who's got

13:44

a book out for a children's

13:46

book out just in time for

13:48

Christmas, which is a must buy,

13:50

but anyway. Let's stop whittering on.

13:52

Let's just sit back and relax

13:55

and here she is, the wonder

13:57

that is, Carriad Lloyd. like run

13:59

in the park whatever the face

14:01

is. It's just like a joy

14:03

because I wasn't sitting down going

14:06

like talking about death. So the

14:08

problem with death is the reason

14:10

then we don't discuss it. I

14:12

was like oh this good an

14:14

adventure like what's the magic sprite

14:17

doing like it was so much

14:19

nicer did you just like oh

14:21

I know what story I'm going

14:23

to tell I did vague, I

14:25

knew it was going to be,

14:27

so it's set in Jane Austin

14:30

times. Jane Austin times, of course

14:32

it is. Of course it is.

14:34

So I kind of knew that.

14:36

I kind of knew I was

14:38

doing ostentatious for kids, so I

14:41

was like, it can't be about

14:43

romance, like it's got to be

14:45

like adventure. And there's a bit

14:47

of romance in that office, like

14:49

for the grown-up says, like, I

14:51

can all. Yeah. Oh great, well

14:54

I know I'm going to get

14:56

my friend's daughter for a birthday.

14:58

Perhaps I'll get it for my

15:00

boys as well. And they love

15:02

a Christmas story. Yeah, and it's

15:05

not too, because it's like wintery

15:07

Christmas, not like Christian Christmas. It's

15:09

like a wintering season. Yeah, the

15:11

wintering season. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

15:13

yeah, because otherwise, I like that.

15:16

I like that. I like the

15:18

emphasis there. On what season? The

15:20

season, yeah, the wintering season. Yeah,

15:22

yeah, because otherwise, I like the

15:24

winter season was a thing. Well,

15:26

that's made me review winter completely.

15:29

I try and reread it in

15:31

winter. Have you read enchantment? No.

15:33

That's her next one. She wrote

15:35

during the pandemic, which is amazing.

15:37

So it's about like rituals and

15:40

how we're missing this idea of

15:42

connection with community and like how

15:44

we need to find each other

15:46

again to survive. Well, because we're

15:48

so secular, aren't we? And all

15:51

of our families are sort of

15:53

like, um... What is it? Like

15:55

we don't have like the extended

15:57

family like... Yeah. Yeah. Like in

15:59

olden times, yeah, it takes the

16:01

village to bring up a kid.

16:04

Our time it takes one very

16:06

afraid. It takes the internet to

16:08

bring up a kid. Yeah. Dual

16:10

lingo, how's that helping? Well, Frank's

16:12

semi-parented by Joe Lincoln. Oh, right.

16:15

I should introduce that. It's a

16:17

very specific pronunciation, isn't it? Japanese

16:19

as well. Haven't you tried to

16:21

raise your boys to speak some

16:23

Spanish? Well, we, I mean, I

16:26

did it for a while and

16:28

then it just got so painful.

16:30

And also, because my... I'm not

16:32

fluent, so for me, I require

16:34

someone to... give me a little

16:36

bit back. But if you were

16:39

in a family situ and everyone

16:41

was sort of speaking this would

16:43

be fine. You'd be fine. But

16:45

I wouldn't. And that's what you'd

16:47

like your kids to be able

16:50

to do. Yeah, my cousins would

16:52

be like, wow. Can you speak

16:54

another language, Kerry? No, I can

16:56

I can fake speak French and

16:58

Spanish and Italian. Let me hear

17:01

your fake Spanish. Okay, it's not

17:03

as good. My French is good.

17:05

That is really good. But my

17:07

Spanish is like... Oh I'd have

17:09

to hear you speak Spanish first,

17:11

so I have to get like...

17:14

Oh God, my Spanish is bad,

17:16

so... I don't think she was

17:18

incontava. Well it does incontava mean.

17:20

I don't think incontava means anything.

17:22

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17:25

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17:27

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19:13

about pictures, photographs, memories. Look like

19:15

the kernels of my mind. Let

19:18

me open your... pictures. Oh yes,

19:20

here we go. These are good. These are

19:22

good. These are good. These are good. Can

19:24

we go to, this must be, is this

19:26

the first one? Yeah. Oh, is that the

19:28

first one? Oh, you've sent different

19:30

ones. That was actually for something

19:32

else, but you can talk about

19:34

that. Oh. Oh, that's the only

19:37

kid one. Oh, there's another

19:39

kid wrong with my grandpa.

19:41

Not Alfred Hitchcock. Tell us

19:43

about that picture with your

19:45

granddad. Yeah, well, my grandpa

19:47

is like one of those,

19:49

I mean, obviously he's not

19:51

here, but he, not here,

19:53

and he's dead. And he's

19:55

dead. He's on those extraordinary

19:57

people that I don't have

19:59

time. tell you all of his stories

20:01

but I will the one thing is he

20:03

was a survivor of Japanese prisoner of

20:05

war and uh yeah he was like the

20:08

most incredible man I've I've like and

20:10

he was like a raconteur like so he's

20:12

the Welsh side yeah and he had

20:14

this giant enormous belly like so he used

20:16

to make you put your arms round

20:18

see you can reach round see you can't

20:20

reach round and uh like everybody you

20:22

know proper patriarch like he was just like

20:24

head of the family but yeah he

20:27

was captured in Burma uh and we're Japanese

20:29

prisoners of war that's where like the

20:31

people soldiers from Wales went and he was

20:33

one of the people who built the

20:35

bridge over the river quay oh my god

20:37

that was brutal he talked himself out

20:39

of death three times just talked himself out

20:41

like out of diet give to gamp

20:43

three times someone was gonna kill him and

20:46

he was like right listen let me

20:48

talk to oh my god no oh you

20:50

mean actually talked actually talked his out

20:52

do you know what he said so one

20:54

time he said that um they were

20:56

cutting down trees I mean also he was

20:58

an absolute bullshitter so sometime he told

21:00

me his middle name was Merlin because we

21:03

were related to Merlin and I was

21:05

about 26 before I had to write it

21:07

down and I said to my brother

21:09

it's funny that we related to Merlin and

21:11

he was like what are you talking

21:13

about I thought the fictional character Merlin says

21:15

that one out that's like believing in

21:17

Father Christmas well into your mid to late

21:19

20s hang on a minute he's not

21:22

real so we're not related to it because

21:24

he's like because Merlin's a bit Welsh

21:26

I was like oh maybe anyway one time

21:28

they were chopping down trees and it

21:30

fell on a Japanese officer's latrine and he'd

21:32

been chopping down the tree uh oh

21:34

and they came outside screaming and my grandpa

21:36

he he then trained as a lawyer

21:38

so this he said why would I have

21:41

done this one purpose it would be

21:43

so stupid make to purposely try and do

21:45

this to you why you want to

21:47

like if I was going to kill you

21:49

I'd do it another way yeah and

21:51

the guy was like all right so he

21:53

diffused that one he diffused it right

21:55

and the other moment they had a radio

21:57

in the camp and they just had

22:00

to they knew he knew where the radio

22:02

was and they lined them all up

22:04

and stared at them for like hours and

22:06

he said he just stared him out

22:08

just stared this guy down just was like

22:10

I don't I don't know anything about

22:12

this radio and did he know anything yeah

22:14

he knew I can stay. Anyone tries to stir me out. I can't

22:16

never because once I stared him like he was just do you believe all his

22:19

stories given the Merlin thing yeah I think most of them I mean they're good

22:21

stories anyway that sounds I mean they sound a bit too like accurate yeah yeah

22:23

you can't make that's yeah yeah you can't make that it's too good we all

22:25

bullshit our kids don't mean the best story about him so when he came back

22:27

to Bridget from my family are from so like maybe five ten years after the

22:29

war so like maybe five ten years after the

22:31

war? concerned because a Japanese man wants to

22:33

come and stay and so obviously a lot

22:36

of well soldiers had died yeah by Japanese

22:38

hands and like you know they had to

22:40

wait till you know VD didn't mean anything

22:42

to them yeah so it was very personal

22:45

for the area and he said invite him

22:47

to stay he said he's gonna stay in

22:49

your hotel and the moment he gets so

22:51

you send him around to my house and

22:53

so shall I beside okay fine so he

22:56

came Rensseid at her put his bag down

22:58

came round was like I'm here and my

23:00

grandpa was like right these are my children

23:02

and I'm gonna take you round whales for

23:04

the day I'm gonna show you everything and

23:07

he never mentioned what happened to him so

23:09

that he showed this Japanese man around the

23:11

whole thing they came in at dinner took

23:13

him back to the hotel and the man

23:15

said to him have you ever been to

23:17

Japan and my grandpa said no never been

23:19

to Japan because he hadn't he said I've

23:21

never met anyone anyone who understands Japanese culture

23:24

and like rituals in the way that we

23:26

do. My grandpa was like, oh well, like

23:28

didn't tell him. Never said anything. Let him

23:30

go. But then he said to this, you

23:32

know, the innkeeper and his children, it's

23:34

not this man's fault what happened

23:36

to me. So he was like. I want my

23:39

children to see a Japanese man welcomed into

23:41

my family, welcome into my home, because we

23:43

have to, if we're going to move forward

23:45

from what happened to us, we have to

23:47

start here today. Yeah. These families can't, we

23:49

can't let this, he didn't do this. I

23:51

didn't, you know, we were just both mixed

23:53

up in a war. Yeah. And he said,

23:55

I wanted that man's first experience of Wales

23:57

to be, wow, what a wonderful. That's so

23:59

incredible. Yeah. Like he was an incredible man.

24:01

What a guy! What a guy! He sounds

24:03

great! He was unusual. I was going to

24:05

say that is unusual and also to have

24:08

such a big, like a huge capacity for

24:10

humanity. Which is the first thing that you

24:12

imagine goes when you go to war. That's

24:14

the thing that they want to crush so

24:16

you can go out and kill people. My

24:18

grandma wasn't, my grandma was that absolutely awful.

24:20

Like she actually, like my brother married a

24:23

Japanese woman, she used to honestly act like

24:25

she couldn't see her in the room. There's

24:27

no Anwar Anwar Stu. Yeah, so what why

24:29

sold? Yeah, he was cool. So that's his

24:31

birthday, someone made him a cake in the

24:33

shape of a champagne. And you look so

24:36

happy. Yeah, and he was letting me cut

24:38

it. I mean, look, I will say, he

24:40

made up for the POW experience and he

24:42

et and drank every single thing that passed

24:44

him. Like, yeah. Look at that big, that

24:46

big pint of double cream there. Oh my

24:48

God, yeah, yeah. And this is their house,

24:51

that's their house, that's their house, that's their

24:53

house, that's their flat, that's their flat, that's

24:55

their flat, that's their flat, they're used to

24:57

spend, they're used to spend all my, they're,

24:59

they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're,

25:01

they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, Amazing

25:03

guy. And the seminal filmmaker as well, given

25:06

that he is Alfred Hitchcock. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

25:08

Yeah, he's, I think he's a bit short

25:10

when he stood up. Maybe he's not as

25:12

tall as Alfred Hitchcock. It's his birthday. My

25:14

aunt had made that cake in shape of

25:16

a champagne bottle. Which when I'm- It's quite

25:19

ambitious for those times. I mean, now people

25:21

are bailing those out all the time on

25:23

Bakeoff. Yeah. Is it a cake? Is it

25:25

a cake? This

25:28

next photo of you here that we've

25:30

got is you... I don't know what

25:32

I sent you. Is this a Christmas?

25:34

A Christmas one. When I've been asked

25:36

for Christmas-y pictures before, they're actually, of

25:38

a certain generation, they're actually, because we're

25:40

not of the generation, where you're like,

25:42

oh, we've got that one where we're

25:44

all dressed in the same pajamas. No,

25:46

that wasn't happening. No. But like younger

25:48

people do all that. shit and now

25:50

we have to dig out ones where

25:52

like I love this because it's got

25:54

a Cassio in it oh it's Cassio

25:56

keyboard that was my Christmas present I

25:58

was so happy with that playing that

26:00

demo over and over I'm feeling like

26:02

you could play the demo and then

26:04

maiming play. Yes, yes, yes. I'm a

26:06

big my mum, a big like don't

26:08

learn the thing, make it look like

26:10

the lending. Like you just demonstrated with

26:12

your French. Yeah, also if you notice

26:14

that's a nighty that has a stocking

26:16

in but has a teddy that you

26:18

could put in the stocking. Oh my

26:20

god, yes. And you could take it

26:22

out. It's like an actual stocking on

26:24

a nighty. Now, that would prove to

26:26

be complicated for whoever to be complicated

26:28

for whoever to be complicated for whoever

26:30

delivers, whoever delivers the presence. We've got

26:32

a problem. Yeah, I see what you're

26:34

saying. Yeah, I think we've got it

26:36

Christmas Day, so maybe I was just

26:39

happy. She's for propping little treats in

26:41

through the day. He didn't wake up

26:43

with like a little present in your

26:45

pocket. No, and that is a very

26:47

good idea. Cushion thing is jive bunny.

26:49

I called him jive bunny, because that

26:51

was the year that jive bunny track.

26:53

Come on everybody. Yeah. Maybe that was

26:55

played on the Cassio as well. I

26:57

wish someone had the talent to play

26:59

that. No one in my family did.

27:01

Must have been early, like family did.

27:03

Must have been early, like too many

27:05

DJ's was drive by the original. It

27:07

was just like, what is happening? Oh,

27:09

this music in one track. And the

27:11

music video was animated. Do you remember?

27:13

It was funny's dancing. I can't remember.

27:15

The chart show, guys. The chart show,

27:17

guys. The chart show, was great, wasn't

27:19

it? So we get the top of

27:21

the pop. The chart show, because no

27:23

one, there were no, no one was

27:25

speaking. Yeah, yeah. And it says predators

27:27

presenting. It says prisoners. Nice. I liked

27:29

it on a Saturday morning. Saturday morning,

27:31

church. And it would have the facts

27:33

come up at the bottom. You'd be

27:35

like, this is the fifth video that

27:37

I can Janet Jackson of recording. You'd

27:39

be like, oh my gosh. I know

27:41

this. I loved it. I loved it.

27:43

The state of my hair in this

27:45

picture as well. I mean this is

27:47

proper Christmas Day where you're not expected

27:49

to be on camera. No ones. Like

27:51

now it's constant photographs of Christmas and

27:53

posting and it's like and posing. I

27:55

was a scrag as well my mum

27:58

would never brush my hair like it's

28:00

a home cut free. I mean, that

28:02

was absolutely spread. Yeah, drag through and

28:04

hedge backwards. That's the five of you,

28:06

is it? She's been waiting since 5am.

28:08

Yeah, probably. Yeah, I've been again hit

28:10

the log in a minute. Karen, I've

28:12

got to say, when I look at

28:14

pictures of you, like you in this

28:16

picture and then you in the picture

28:18

before. Yeah. Could be too different children,

28:20

you don't, you, like sometimes, like, when

28:22

people show their... pictures of one of

28:24

their children like oh right yeah well

28:26

that's just you but you're five yeah

28:28

yeah yeah yeah I've changed so much

28:30

I know I've changed so much I

28:32

know I would not if someone said

28:34

to me who do you think that

28:36

is I'd be like no idea yeah

28:38

I sometimes when I'm looking for all

28:40

photos I can't find myself I don't

28:42

I look so different I'm like which

28:44

one am I like it's really weird

28:46

to have changed that much I don't

28:48

know why that's like that the first

28:50

one is probably 8 and then that

28:52

one must be like 6? Is it

28:54

not that big a difference in age?

28:56

It should be the same child. I

28:58

should be the same child. I know.

29:00

Same color hair at the very least.

29:02

Well I think my hair's got fluffier

29:04

in the second one. I'm definitely, I'm

29:06

brushing the curls. I haven't learned not

29:08

to have a highlight. But you know

29:10

what? It was, I was blonde. I

29:12

was white blonde and I went brown.

29:14

So I was nickname as a kid

29:16

was goldy look. White blonde ringlet. But

29:19

you say blonde for quite a long

29:21

time. Like so like you're six in

29:23

that picture and you're still really blonde.

29:25

And then I just, I went brown.

29:27

Yeah. Yeah, that's like my, that's like

29:29

my boys. We look at pictures of

29:31

them like even like two years ago

29:33

and they were like eight blonde and

29:35

all gone. And do you know what's

29:37

horrible, but I mean. And as I

29:39

went more brunette people being like, yeah,

29:41

I'm sorry, like, just a kid. Mausie

29:43

Brown. Mausie Brown. And I remember feeling

29:45

like, oh, I see, that's what it

29:47

was about. Mausie Brown's, yeah, more fun.

29:49

I fit a cute character that wasn't

29:51

as sexy. Yeah. Wasn't as sexy? Yeah.

29:53

Wasn't as sexy? Never been blonde. You

29:55

didn't even go through a face of

29:57

the 90s with the grunting. I didn't

29:59

even whack a bit of bleach on

30:01

there. I've never done my hair. You've

30:03

never done blonde? No. I think we

30:05

need to do that. Shall we do

30:07

it? You need to bleach your hair

30:09

just at least once in your eyebrows.

30:11

Yeah. Imagine these big black caterpillar eyebrows.

30:13

Jold! Jold! Jold's lost his mind. The

30:15

thought of me with bleached blonde hair.

30:17

Well that's fine. I'm not going to

30:19

have it. I think you could rock

30:21

it. You've never dyed it, though. It

30:23

must have been great condition. It must

30:25

have been great condition. Is

30:28

this your kind of uni times? No, this is

30:30

school. School? You look very grown up. Do you

30:32

know what? I have seen you a good picture,

30:34

like as in... You look great. You know what?

30:37

Look at you vamp. I know, but listen. Gothic

30:39

Vamp! All of my... pictures of teenagers I look

30:41

fucking awful and this is the one I found

30:43

the other day and I was like I actually

30:45

look all right that's a great picture so this

30:47

is in Pasha in Spain so not at school

30:49

no is it oh not at school I was

30:52

I was at school that's why I meant oh

30:54

right you went to Pasha with your boyfriend what

30:56

you mean it's a beefer I'll be there's Pasha

30:58

in Spain there's another one oh what's the Pasha

31:00

in Spain where about some Spain is that oh

31:02

my god I can't I can't remember my friend

31:05

my friend's mom had like my friend's mom had

31:07

like like like like like like like like like

31:09

like like like my friend's mom had like like

31:11

like like like like like like like like like

31:13

like like like a my friend's mom had like

31:15

like like like like like like like like like

31:17

like like a my friend's mom had like like

31:20

like like like like like like like like like

31:22

like like like like like a my friend's mom

31:24

had like like like like like like like like

31:26

like like like like like like like like like

31:28

like house and she used to let us all

31:30

go there. How brilliant. So we were like we

31:33

must be 16 there but I'm the only goth

31:35

as you can see my friends were like into

31:37

like they were like they were like they were

31:39

like clubbers. Look at those those platforms. I love

31:41

those platforms. I know they're some misselfridge. They've got

31:43

a chiver spice girls block heel situation going on

31:46

there. They were like into like UK garage and

31:48

stuff like that but I was the only goth

31:50

in my friends but... They let you in. Yeah,

31:52

they loved you anyway. We had like a real

31:54

mix of like our group. There wasn't like, we

31:56

weren't all Goths. It was a, it was like

31:58

a nice mix of everyone did all different things.

32:01

We disliked each other and then we'd just go

32:03

on holiday and snug boys and get out. Oh

32:05

how brilliant. What were you, what was your music

32:07

that you were listening to? black and I put

32:09

a big red streak in it and I'm listening

32:11

to like Joanie Mitchell and Bob Dylan I was

32:14

obsessed with the 60s right so not sisters of

32:16

mercy or no I didn't like there was a

32:18

damn no that was a bit of a shouty

32:20

so in a way not a card carrying no

32:22

you were more of a sort of beat Nick

32:24

I'd say yeah sure I take beat Nick I

32:26

went to Camden to get my clothes Camden you

32:29

had to go find the stripy tight, you had

32:31

to get shouted at by people at the station

32:33

abusing you because you looked weirded. You might get

32:35

a web-faced hat if you don't watch help. Yeah,

32:37

yeah. Anything could happen. No, they're just Amazoning stripey

32:39

tights and gothy things. Could get it online, get

32:42

it off Jeff Bays or she'll have it on

32:44

your doorstep and under a day. But in my

32:46

look, it was so, if you wanted to look

32:48

weird, you had to put the F in. Totally.

32:50

And so it was hard and people would bully

32:52

you for it. And it was like, yes, no,

32:55

but that's how much I'm committing to this. Even

32:57

though year seven are shouting me. No. And they

32:59

weren't playing Joanie Mitchell in the clubs. But I

33:01

didn't mind because I was dancing. Can't dance. You

33:03

can't like get up on. You can't go to

33:05

phone party on Joanie Mitchell. That's why. Phone party.

33:07

Yeah, phone parties. Did you ever do phone party?

33:10

I never did any of that. I've always been

33:12

jealous for people that went on holiday with their

33:14

mates, with their mates, I never did that. I've

33:16

always been jealous for people that went on holiday

33:18

with their matesates, with their mates'. I'm like some

33:20

sort of, some sort of, some sort of, like,

33:23

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

33:25

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

33:27

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

33:29

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

33:31

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, They

33:33

were a thing when I'm the same age as

33:36

you. I don't remember phone parties. I remember seeing

33:38

it on Gavin and Stacey and thinking what is

33:40

happening. I went to one, I don't know what's

33:42

happening, it was a work deal, they were having

33:44

a phone party. Oh no, not a work do.

33:46

Basically you could do anything on the dance floor,

33:48

no one could see what was happening. What you

33:51

mean? Yeah. And also, anything that's like vaguely, yeah.

33:53

Oh my god. Because you want to dance when

33:55

no one can see you. So there's enough foam

33:57

up to your belly button. And everything is like,

33:59

I feel a bit dis- approving, I'll say that.

34:01

You can, you're allowed to feel disapproving. And I'll

34:04

see everyone's in Denin. And so the Denin kind

34:06

of like all the dye from your jeans will

34:08

go everywhere. So like if you. Like if you

34:10

get pressed up against someone

34:12

then you'll just end up

34:14

with like, so my jeans

34:16

would be like, they were

34:18

blue at one point, but

34:20

now they're black and red

34:22

and great. There's all kinds

34:24

of gun call over you.

34:26

Sounds disgusting. It was disgusting.

34:29

I think like little hits

34:31

always were disgusting anyways. All

34:33

dance floors. Apart from the... I'm

34:35

a big dancer, like I loved...

34:37

The reason I like, like, no, look,

34:39

just dancing, just, I don't care what

34:41

it is, I'll get up on the podium

34:43

and I'll dance. So, that's, for me, I

34:46

didn't, the phone was, like, part of

34:48

it, but I'd rather be on the phone.

34:50

Well, it's a bloody health hazard, that's what

34:52

it is. It was slippery. Well, people were

34:54

going over all over the place. I

34:56

mean, I'm glad it's not a thing anymore.

34:59

Yeah, it's silly. It's disgusting. They realize absolutely

35:01

nobody at a phone party enjoys the phone

35:03

party. And you're cold after you get wet

35:06

so you come out and you're freezing.

35:08

Like you're so close to wet. Your

35:10

clothes are ruined. Yeah. Someone's touched you

35:12

up. You don't know who it is.

35:14

Touching up goes on on any doctor

35:16

I guess. Yeah. I know but at

35:18

least you can, oh you can have

35:20

like a vague guess, oh it was

35:22

in. Not like in a phone party

35:25

like oh could be anyone. I think

35:27

so. I mean, I wasn't like, I

35:29

wasn't like, no, well, my dad died,

35:31

so I wasn't like super. And like,

35:33

I remember going on a holiday with

35:35

all my gals, and then because I

35:37

was like a goth, like they'd like hook

35:39

up with a group of boys and they'd

35:42

be like, oh, all right, what are you

35:44

into? And I'd be like, oh, like, what's

35:46

going on like, like, my dad just died,

35:48

right, right, right. Okay. So like I would

35:50

often be I would often be in the corner

35:53

left with like the poor boy that's been like

35:55

on all his mate and you know your mates

35:57

are just snogging or just snogging all like the

35:59

six four, six girls, they've all chosen

36:01

and you're just sat there and that's

36:04

why I'd be like I'm gonna get

36:06

on a podium and dance please leave

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on Green Light. Which is our next photograph?

37:42

Oh yeah, I don't know. Next chapter, is

37:44

it this one? Yes, that's probably the right

37:46

one, yeah. Are you on the tube? I'm

37:48

on the tube there with my two best

37:51

uni pals who are Vanessa Hammack. Sarah Pasco

37:53

and that's us very pissed. I didn't know

37:55

you went to uni with Sarah. That's on

37:57

her name Sarah, yeah. We met at Sussex

38:00

Uni. Oh wow! Yeah, so that's us. Pre-you

38:02

both, performing, I guess. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

38:04

yeah, she's sort of the reason that I

38:07

am or I am. like she was the

38:09

one that was like we should do this

38:11

and I was like oh don't be ridiculous

38:13

how can you possibly do this like I

38:16

was so like what are you talking about

38:18

she was she she lived with me and

38:20

my mom after you knew she moved into

38:22

my mother's old room and we were both

38:25

trying to be actors and like I was

38:27

I don't come from performing family at all.

38:29

My mum was like, get a job basically,

38:31

get a family job, what are you doing?

38:34

What was your degree in? English, we voted

38:36

English, and she was like, we don't have

38:38

to get, we'll get performing jobs. What do

38:41

you mean? But just say her and know

38:43

that. She had worked at the Millennium Dome.

38:45

when she was 18, that's like an entertainer.

38:47

So she'd then- Entertaining? Yeah, she was like

38:50

one of the entertainers at Millennium Dome. What

38:52

does that involve? Oh, she like dressed up

38:54

as a snowman and like walked around the

38:56

crowd. Is it work? Is it work they

38:59

call that? Is it work? Yeah, yeah. And

39:01

she also, when she applied for you and

39:03

she was singing in a hotel in Nottingham

39:05

with Robbie Williams dad. Oh, so she's from

39:08

one of those people who was like... That's

39:10

what I want to do. How did you

39:12

get near it? It was a world she

39:15

kind of wasn't intimidated by it was intimidated

39:17

by it. Yeah, wasn't intimidated by it. Whereas

39:19

I was like, well, I don't know. I'm

39:21

just going to have to be a secretary.

39:24

I can't see what else we're going to

39:26

do here. And so she said, well, get

39:28

performing jobs. So she, we got jobs as

39:30

tour guides on the buses, open top buses.

39:33

And then I did, she was like, you

39:35

can do theater and education. I'm like, what

39:37

are you talking about? So then we went

39:39

to the theater and education. It was always

39:42

like, let's try and get something that's adjacent.

39:44

Yes. outreach and she was like and everyone

39:46

on the bill was all right yes when

39:49

that's a lovely moment where you go and

39:51

watch someone go I'm not intimidated yeah she

39:53

never did you go I'm intimidated I'm and

39:55

with but stand up you're like yeah and

39:58

she was like she I was on the

40:00

tube with her going back to high bonnet.

40:02

She said, if we do this enough, like

40:04

if we get enough gigs, we'd have 50

40:07

pounds a week. And I remember thinking, oh,

40:09

good luck to you. All right. You dream

40:11

of pasta. You dream of cryptocurrency over here.

40:13

And then she started doing stand-up. And how

40:16

did that go for her? I think I

40:18

want to go. That's interesting. Yeah. It was

40:20

all, so, yeah, it was meeting her at

40:23

you. And she was just so like, like,

40:25

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

40:27

like, like, like, like, Of course you can.

40:29

Totally, she's a yes we can person. Yes

40:32

we can. And I just didn't come from

40:34

that background at all, so I just, I

40:36

just didn't, I felt like there was a,

40:38

I didn't know there was a door. Well,

40:41

she was like, there's a door, we have

40:43

to kick it in. But I was like,

40:45

how did you even see that door? I

40:47

thought it was just a wall. She was

40:50

like, no, we just kicked this door in

40:52

and we can get in. And then she

40:54

did a show called News Review, which is

40:57

still running at Canal Cafe, which is like

40:59

Satirical Sketches and singing. So then she did

41:01

that you should audition for that. And then

41:03

she did a show called News Review, which

41:06

is still running at Canal Cafe, which is

41:08

like Satirical sketches. Which is like Satirical sketches,

41:10

Satirical sketches, Satirical sketches, I thought it. I

41:12

thought it. I thought it. was a job,

41:15

how did you do that? Well how did

41:17

you think those people did it? I just

41:19

had no idea. You didn't connect to the

41:21

dots. I went to see Harry Hill with

41:24

my dad, like was obsessed with Harry Hill,

41:26

I went to see Lee Evans, I like

41:28

watched every sitcom, like my job was like

41:31

get the TV guide, what sitcoms on, and

41:33

you could watch from like 7 to like

41:35

830, because BBC had like, you know, have

41:37

2.4 children and you could go to go

41:40

to the surgical, like, like, wooden waters, obsessed.

41:42

But that transition from Telly to the, like

41:44

we know to be the live circuit. Yeah,

41:46

I just thought it was like, well, how'd

41:49

you do that? I don't like, I didn't

41:51

know anyone. She knew the key, she knew

41:53

the pin coach. I think she was just

41:55

not prepared to like not get in the

41:58

door. Totally. But I just didn't, I just,

42:00

I didn't know any actors or performers or

42:02

I didn't know you had to go to

42:05

go to drama school, like, like, no one

42:07

ever said, oh, oh well if you want

42:09

to do this, oh well if you want

42:11

to do this, He had already had his

42:14

TV show which I loved and then we

42:16

went to see him live so it's like

42:18

well someone gave him a TV show so

42:20

I guess you have to be in the

42:23

TV room like so naive I just didn't

42:25

like of course if you're not told how

42:27

would you know you know like you for

42:29

one point you think well I should have

42:32

gone to footlights I guess that's what I

42:34

thought yeah I was like oh I didn't

42:36

go to footlights so I guess not for

42:39

me oh well I didn't go to footlights

42:41

so I guess not for me oh well

42:43

I guess not for I guess not for

42:45

I guess not for me And you didn't

42:48

have a grand plan for something else. No

42:50

grand plan. Nothing. Absolutely no grand plan. Thank

42:52

God you found her. I know. Why are

42:54

you floating in a white space? So this

42:57

is, my daughter took this. One particularly awful

42:59

half term. And what I haven't sent you,

43:01

there's a company, one of my husband, trying

43:03

to grab the phone off her like this.

43:06

How do they know? How do they know?

43:08

I don't know. We've never seen that happen

43:10

from. It looks like a movie poster of

43:13

your life. Thank you. This is the poster.

43:15

This is the poster. She handed it to

43:17

us and we were like, what did you

43:19

do? And she wouldn't tell us pages, what

43:22

she done. And that is very impressive. I

43:24

know it is impressive, but I've got loads

43:26

of pictures like me where I'm disembodied or

43:28

I'm sort of, everything is, yeah, like, it

43:31

looks very, it's a level art, doesn't it?

43:33

A level art, you're like, oh, that looks

43:35

like an actual portrait. So originally when I

43:37

saw the photograph, I thought, oh, well, that's

43:40

a portrait. Maybe for a poster of period

43:42

of time. trying to say can you stop

43:44

can you give me my phone back and

43:47

the next picture she took was my husband

43:49

Ben being like give the phone back and

43:51

he's like this and you know when you're

43:53

having such a bad half term or I

43:56

think it was Easter holidays actually we were

43:58

absolutely like we were just at our ends

44:00

with them both yeah and we saw these

44:02

pictures and we laughed so hard the best

44:05

pictures you've ever had she'd caught what we

44:07

looked like and it was awful oh god

44:09

and I thought oh it was quite good

44:11

wakeup wakeup cool it's like They see, just

44:14

stop it, put it down, no, no you

44:16

can't, no. And then they've got these artistic

44:18

self, you know, that they can do that.

44:21

I know, but they shut up. They love

44:23

making us look awful, don't they? We've talked

44:25

about this loads of times for our children,

44:27

taking pictures of us when they think we

44:30

look at our worst and then laughing hysterically

44:32

behind the phone call. So cool. There's nothing

44:34

so cool, is it? Nothing so cool. My

44:36

son was sick, like two nights ago, and

44:39

I took me at midnight, I mean, down,

44:41

top of the stairs, down the stairs, whole

44:43

stairs covered in sick. Took me an hour

44:45

to clear up. He got into the bed

44:48

and he went, oh mum, you smell of

44:50

sick? Oh, she started doing this now. Could

44:52

you just be a bit quieter? Oh my

44:54

god. What? It's my house! I'm being loud

44:57

as I like that. I don't want to

44:59

be told to pipe down by my daughter.

45:01

Oh nothing worse. But that's what we've been

45:04

telling them how many years. Shh, shh, just

45:06

calm down. Bedtime energy, bedtime energy, bedtime energy.

45:08

Bedtime voices, inside voices. Yeah. Yeah. Is

45:12

that ostentatious? Yeah, that's ostentatious. Because that

45:14

is such a massive hit. That's a

45:16

really, that's like one of the first

45:18

pictures of us, that's like our second

45:20

gig, someone took a picture of us,

45:22

that's why we all look. You look

45:24

at 12 years old, yeah. I mean

45:26

Rachel looks so young. She looks like

45:28

12. Yeah, and Joe, Joseph, and Johanna

45:30

Marry look about. 12 years old. I

45:32

was older than them. So you didn't

45:34

know then, I mean it was just

45:36

a total like gamble. Complete fucking gamble.

45:38

How did you even, I don't think,

45:41

we asked Rachel this because Rachel's come

45:43

on and talks about us sensations, but

45:45

I don't, how did you guys, so

45:47

I've been doing improv? So yeah, I

45:49

sort of fell into these things, I

45:51

fell into improv and there was hardly

45:53

any women doing it, apart for like

45:55

me, Papa, Pippa Evans. And she was

45:57

explaining it to me and I was

45:59

sort of blinking slowly back at her

46:01

like she was mad. She was going

46:03

off. It's like, you do, you improvise

46:05

for 53 hours straight. It's called an

46:07

improper thought. And she was explaining to

46:09

me that this was a good thing

46:11

and I was like. What? When you sleep?

46:13

You don't. You don't sleep? And she was like,

46:16

this is my, this is my world. Yeah, yeah,

46:18

yeah, yeah. This is my church. Yeah, it's like

46:20

a very special thing. And I didn't fully under,

46:22

because to me, that kind of theatre sport thing

46:24

is panic attack time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I guess.

46:27

But when you've got those skills. Well, it's the

46:29

thing like, because I knew I knew I couldn't

46:31

do standard. I was like, I just, it's like,

46:33

it's like, put on the wrong shoes. Yes, so

46:36

it's like the upside down stand-up. But when you

46:38

put on my improv shoes, I was like, oh

46:40

I see, I can fly, I can run, this

46:42

is great, I get this world, I don't, I'm not intimidated.

46:44

Yes, I've no problem, I know I can do this. But

46:47

your cultural reference, I mean, the wonderful reference, I mean, obviously,

46:49

I know I can do this. But your cultural reference, I

46:51

mean, the wonderful, obviously, I mean, I know I can do,

46:53

I can do, I can do, I can do, I mean,

46:55

I can do this, I can do this, I can do,

46:57

but, I mean, I can do, I can do, I mean,

46:59

I can do, I can do, I mean, I can do,

47:01

I know I can do, I mean, I can do, I

47:03

can do, I know I can do, I know I can

47:05

do, I can do, I can do, I can do, I

47:07

of people's heads, because these are really good. They're really good,

47:09

aren't they? They're really good. We don't always get, you know,

47:11

great Jane Austen Panz. And then we make up a

47:13

story and we're wearing full Regency gear. We have

47:16

a violinist improvising with us and it's two halves

47:18

of a comedy play. So you're just watching a

47:20

comedy play, basically. But yeah, I was improvising and

47:22

Rachel, Paris and Amy Kirk Hodgson, were also on

47:24

the scene at that point. This is about ten

47:26

years after I've. one, you know, you bump into

47:29

people, gigs and stuff, they're like, oh, we might

47:31

try and do improv in the style of Jane

47:33

Austin. Do you want to come to like a

47:35

rehearsal? It was one of those things, you know,

47:37

it's like, I've been asked to do lots of

47:39

improv things of my time, and sometimes you get

47:42

there, and it's like, shit, church hall. people who

47:44

don't know what they're doing and you sort of

47:46

had that feeling like oh fuck I thought this

47:48

was yeah you traveled to like put me or

47:50

something like oh okay we're gonna spend two hours

47:52

chatting and so I went a bit reluctantly to

47:54

this Austin I was like oh okay fine I've

47:56

been asked to do this thing because I've been

47:58

doing it for 10 years fine Let me get

48:00

in the room and they all knew each other from

48:02

Oxford. Most of them had been at the Oxford Inn

48:04

and they started improvising and I remember being at the

48:07

side like oh shit. They're good. Oh they're good. And

48:09

you know when you come in a bit arrogant like

48:11

yeah you prove yourself to me and like oh no

48:13

I've got to I've got to I've got to I've

48:15

got to prove myself myself. I've got to I've got

48:17

to prove myself. I've got to I've got to prove

48:19

myself. I've got to me like I've got to prove

48:21

myself to me like I've got to I've got to

48:24

I've got to I've got to I've got to I've

48:26

got to I've got to I've got to I've thought

48:28

this. I've got to I've got to I've got to

48:30

I've got to I've got to prove myself I've got

48:32

to prove myself I've got to I've got to I've

48:34

got to I've got to prove myself I've got to

48:36

I've got to I've got to I've what was clear

48:39

was like, oh we find each other really funny. So

48:41

then we booked a gig, lesser square, pub, 12 people

48:43

came, the next week 14 people came, then 20 people

48:45

came, then we were like, oh we need to move

48:47

to a different room, so we went to a room

48:49

that held 30 people, aren't they, don't fit in a

48:51

30? I mean, moving around and around, then eventually we

48:54

ended up like in the West End, but it was

48:56

just so wonderful. It's just so wonderful. We didn't realize

48:58

when we didn't realize when we didn't realize, like, like,

49:00

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

49:02

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

49:04

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

49:06

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

49:09

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, How much everybody

49:11

fucking loves him. Oh yeah. People love her, hence we're

49:13

still doing it 14 years old. Absolutely. People want, you

49:15

know, she only wrote six books, so if someone can

49:17

say to you, oh it's a bit like reading Jane

49:19

Austin, but it's a new story with new characters. Well,

49:21

we do Shakespeare Company kind of such that kind of

49:24

like, come to London, see a show that is coincidentally

49:26

a British experience, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah,

49:28

you know, it's perfect. There's definitely... And pitch it for

49:30

a TV film or whatever. I mean, like the ghost

49:32

lot, like you're a true, you know, and you could

49:34

exist as a film or a TV show. The good,

49:36

the thing about good improv is that the jokes come

49:39

because of the surprises. Right. So this is why Impov

49:41

Intelli always suffers because it's like they try and shove

49:43

it into things and then they're like, but why is

49:45

it not working? It's like, because it's funny because you

49:47

saw me discover me discover it. It's not necessarily a

49:49

funny joke if we write it down. What was funny

49:51

is like the three scenes before that we had said

49:53

something wrong and then we mentioned it again. But as

49:56

a sideline you could pitch one. Well that's why I

49:58

did the book set and oftentimes. Oh lovelyly! Tell

50:02

us about your book. Tell us about

50:04

your book. So it's a kid's book,

50:06

middle grade book, which is just a,

50:08

you know, they say 9-11, but anyone

50:10

could read it. And it is set

50:12

in Jane Austen Times, Regency Times, and

50:14

it's about a little girl called Lydia

50:16

Marmalade, and her best friend Colin, who's

50:18

a sausage dog, who likes jumping into

50:21

lakes. There's some references. And she gets

50:23

sent to live at Peppombelea Manor, but

50:25

her mum dies and she gets sent

50:27

to live at Peppombelea Manor with this

50:29

mysterious lady poetry. She's horrible and says

50:31

that she has to behave like a

50:33

proper lady, otherwise she's going to be

50:35

kicked out. And she makes a wish

50:37

one winter night, and a fire sprite

50:39

happens to hear that wish, and has

50:41

to try and grant it for her.

50:43

But the wish is essentially impossible. So

50:45

it's about her fitting into this new

50:47

life, and how you cannot come true.

50:49

Oh my god it sounds like wintery

50:51

and fuzzy. I'm sorry I'm sorry I

50:53

want that to go in my little

50:55

nighty stocking pocket. I was wondering what

50:58

you were doing with it there. It's

51:00

like rubbing it up and down your

51:02

boobs. No it was my child-like stocking.

51:04

Stocking pocket. Stocking pocket. Oh, thank you

51:06

so much for coming on. Thank you.

51:08

And telling all these wonderful stories. Yeah,

51:10

Carrey, it was lovely to see. I

51:12

haven't seen you for ages, and this

51:14

book looks fantastic. Oh, thanks, Carrey. Thank

51:16

you. Thank you. Great. I'm Kim above,

51:18

and I have a new podcast. It's

51:20

called Iceberg, and it's about the endless

51:22

journey to find ourselves and find out

51:24

what it really means to have self-acceptance

51:26

and self-love. I'll be exploring the inner

51:28

landscapes of some of my favorite people.

51:30

Oh, I don't like being self-worth. And

51:32

asking them about who they are, how

51:35

they got that way, and how they

51:37

feel about it. That's subjective what

51:39

do on on stage. I'm

51:41

not funny funny off bit

51:43

of A bit of their

51:45

didn't know that I

51:47

was was ugly until I

51:49

I was like 16 and

51:51

record executives told me

51:53

it a bit

51:55

of their past of their

51:57

past? I more time

51:59

being alone than I

52:01

thought and how

52:03

they navigate all that

52:05

stuff that's definitely

52:07

something I think my

52:10

therapist I think my therapist

52:12

thing about icebergs is

52:14

only The thing about them

52:16

it's above the

52:18

surface of them is above the surface.

52:20

even can't I think

52:22

people are a

52:24

lot like that are a

52:26

lot like they're not if

52:28

they're not, a really

52:30

dumb name for a

52:32

podcast for a podcast.