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Today at Green Light.com/Spotify Spotify. Hello

1:03

and welcome to Memory Lane. I'm Jim

1:05

Brister. And I'm Kerry Godleyman. Each week

1:07

we'll be taking a trip down Memory

1:10

Lane with our very special guest as

1:12

they bring in four photos from their

1:14

lives to talk about. To check out

1:16

the photos we'll be having a natter

1:19

with them about. They're on the episode

1:21

image and you can also see them

1:23

a little bit more clearly on our

1:25

Instagram page. So have a little

1:27

look at Memory Lane podcast. Come on,

1:30

we can all be nosy together. Hi. Do

1:32

you feel how we changed the energy? Yes. It

1:34

was quite a little energy. When they do what?

1:36

When they do that on... It's called applause. No,

1:38

I know that's applause. But isn't it something that

1:40

sound people do? Yeah, they do. They do. They

1:43

do to start to go like... No, that's a

1:45

kapper. Sometimes, like if you're doing sound thing, they

1:47

go like that to get everything. That's exactly what

1:49

I was doing. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. I did.

1:51

I did it. I did it. I did it.

1:53

I did it. I did it. I did it.

1:56

I did it. I did it. I did it. I did. I

1:58

did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I

2:00

did. I thought it was like a drama game. It

2:02

could have been a drama game.

2:04

Zipsch! Soin! Soin! Boing, boing, boing,

2:07

boing, not soin. Anyway, I was

2:09

going to tell you about a program

2:11

I've been watching about you. You were

2:13

going to talk about things like that.

2:15

No. So I'm going to talk about

2:18

something else now. You, we're going to

2:20

talk about the program, which was school

2:22

swap. School swap. I've been watching

2:24

some tele, but I've also been

2:27

gardening. Oh no. It's that time of

2:29

year. It's that time of year. Yeah,

2:31

yeah, yeah. I've got lots to do.

2:33

Have you got jobs for the

2:35

weekend? Daphodils? Some of them

2:37

have gone now. We've gone

2:40

through Daphodils. Some of them

2:42

have gone. Although we have had

2:44

some new ones brought up called

2:46

dwarf deals. I don't think you

2:48

can say that anymore. Dwarf

2:51

daphodils? What are we calling

2:53

them? Small daphodils? I'm pretty

2:55

sure. Can we edit that? What

2:58

was I going to say? I

3:00

have been putting planting seeds. Are

3:02

you being planting seeds? Oh my

3:04

God. Are we allowed to say

3:06

seeds? You can't say anything! You

3:09

can't say anything! You can't say

3:11

anything! You can't say anything! You

3:13

can't say boomer. You can't say

3:15

boomer. I've been planting seeds. Have

3:18

you? I was really hoping that

3:20

there be an end to the same,

3:22

don't. Well, I'll tell you the end.

3:24

Sprouting, sprouting, plant. I'm excited

3:27

for you. The cycle of life.

3:29

The cycle of life. No, not

3:31

acceptable. I'm excited about the tulips.

3:34

Are you going to do tomatoes this

3:36

year? These are the burning questions that

3:38

I have for you. Well, I'll never

3:40

forget once. I sat in your garden,

3:43

did you? And there were so many

3:45

tomatoes. Yes, that must have been a

3:47

good year. Sometimes we have bad years.

3:49

That was a good year. You had a

3:51

good year, that year. We had a bumpy

3:53

year. We... We'll probably do tomatoes

3:56

of Chloe plants. Oh, it's Chloe's

3:58

department. Of course it's not me. Oh, why do

4:00

you think it was me? I don't

4:03

know. I don't know either. Because of

4:05

your Mediterranean message. Oh, you think we're

4:07

just growing tomatoes? You just do it,

4:09

naturally. Just grow tomatoes. I'm going to

4:12

surprise you and say we don't have

4:14

any oranges. We don't have any civil

4:16

oranges. They are hard to grow. We will

4:18

probably have tomatoes. Can you let

4:21

me know? Because I'm quite invested

4:23

in other people's planting anecdotes. Okay.

4:25

Last year we did tomatoes and...

4:29

peas and radishes and some

4:31

sort of sprout. Onion and

4:33

potatoes. That's a great crop

4:35

for that yard. Because you've

4:37

got a small, you've got a bright

4:39

garden. We did it in

4:41

the, Chloe's, did it in the

4:44

front, from vegetable patch. Brilliant. Yeah,

4:46

so we did, and then we

4:48

do a bucket of potatoes. Wow,

4:50

do you get the kids involved? Yeah, the

4:52

kids are involved. In as much as they

4:54

stand and watch me. fill a bucket full

4:56

of earth. I'm not doing potatoes again. You're

4:58

not doing them again? No, because there's a

5:00

lot of effort and they're not great looking

5:03

plants. Like some edibles are pretty aren't they

5:05

like the beans the flowers? The beans are

5:07

lovely. Yeah and I quite like a tomato

5:09

charred is beautiful rainbow child but a potato

5:11

is quite an ugly little fella and I

5:13

don't really want to get involved in it.

5:15

Oh but when you make your own potatoes

5:17

when you grow your own washing and dig

5:20

them and then what happens is you peel

5:22

them or you don't peel them depending on

5:24

what kind of potatoes you've got and then

5:26

you serve them to people and you'll never

5:28

guess what and they're what I grew those

5:30

potatoes potatoes potatoes potatoes. And

5:32

that feeling of satisfaction that you

5:34

get telling someone that you grew

5:37

a potato, often they don't care.

5:39

They frequently say you know they're only

5:41

like 58 p. a bag. Yeah, they

5:43

don't say any of the co-op. But

5:45

you know that they're your potatoes. And

5:47

I think that makes all the

5:49

difference. And you can say, doesn't

5:52

it taste different? It does taste

5:54

different. Yeah, and they'll go. Not

5:56

really. Yeah. But you know they're

5:58

not really different. There. growing

6:00

your own food. Listen, when we

6:02

grew our pis, I can't even talk

6:04

about it. I mean, did you go

6:07

four or five? We had probably

6:09

less than half a cup. This

6:11

is the bottom line. When you

6:13

are growing edibles, you really, when

6:15

you can't say edibles, don't say

6:18

edibles. Don't say edibles. Oh, is

6:20

that because it's drugs. Yeah, but

6:22

they are edibles. Our gardeners own

6:24

the phrase edibles. Our own the

6:27

phrase edibles. Yeah but they're public!

6:29

I'm sorry Kerry that's gone now.

6:31

You can't have the parlance of

6:33

drugs taking over from the parlance

6:36

of gardening. No one is saying

6:38

edibles. Everyone's saying vegetables. No because

6:40

it's fruit as well. Well fruitables

6:42

then. And herbs. Okay. Edibles. I'm going to

6:44

let you say edibles to me. But doesn't

6:46

mean that I'm talking about gummies. When

6:48

we go to Glastonbury you start

6:51

talking about growing edibles. Don't be

6:53

surprised people start queuing outside Jovan,

6:55

okay? Well, they'll get some carrots

6:57

and some tomatoes. Yeah, and half

6:59

a cup of peas. Oh, when

7:01

we cook those peas and the children

7:03

ate them, they're six each. It

7:05

was a delight. Honestly, the amount

7:08

of effort it takes to make

7:10

some... And you've got those bloody

7:12

peas. Yeah. Anyone would think. that

7:14

the internet hadn't been invented when you're

7:16

saying they're popping a P. Yeah, podding

7:19

a P when they're frozen, literally down

7:21

the road. Yeah, no, I know. It's

7:23

a hard, earnest path, but it's a

7:26

path worth. A path worth worth worth.

7:28

But I can't speak today three or

7:30

four times, it felt like. language is

7:33

shipped out of my gob, which is

7:35

awful for someone who's a public speaker

7:37

for a job. Yeah, it's terrible. I

7:40

flobbed over people all over the nation

7:42

on this tour. I've flobbed over people,

7:44

endorse it, I've flobbed over the Welsh,

7:47

endorsed it, I've flobbed over the Welsh,

7:49

she'd go off. Well, I've flobbed over

7:51

the Welsh, she'd go off. I've been

7:54

sitting in the front row guys, because

7:56

you will get flobbed back though. Yeah,

7:58

I feel like we both need to start. Or maybe

8:00

hand out those gagulls

8:03

like they do at

8:05

like theme parks. Would

8:07

you say Gagulls? Gagulls?

8:09

Gagulls? Gagulls? Gagulls!

8:12

Oh my God! I can't

8:14

believe you said Gagulls!

8:16

Gagulls! Yes, okay! It's

8:18

Cagull. Anyway, do you

8:20

think it's reasonable to

8:22

hand out Cagulls? Are

8:24

you going to be

8:26

going to the front row?

8:28

Did she say give? Right, shut this

8:31

down now, Joel. Shut it down. You

8:33

know when you text Gig, and it

8:35

just says Giff, how many times have

8:37

you had to go on Mink

8:39

Gig? I think never. Oh my

8:41

God, it just automatically says Giff.

8:43

Well, it's like when I sign my

8:45

name off as Jen, and it comes up

8:48

as Ken. How does my phone not know

8:50

I'm Jen? I mean, how many times

8:52

have to tell my phone? I was

8:54

clever. Yeah, I was clever. There's no

8:56

Ken. Who's Ken? I

8:59

don't know, but seemingly more successful

9:01

than Jen. It's the misogyny

9:03

of A.I. It is. Ken

9:05

and Ben keep popping up.

9:08

Jen's not there. Come on, Brister.

9:10

Ken Brister. Come on, mate.

9:12

That's your next tour. Yeah.

9:14

Ken Brister is on the

9:17

Taskmaster. Clip

9:27

it up and stick it on your socials,

9:29

fuck it! And be like, hey, I love,

9:31

I love kind of all around. We didn't.

9:33

And you looked good, bang it out on

9:36

your socials. Actually, it was cute. You were

9:38

cute. It was cute. Yeah. If you said

9:40

a funny thing, and you look cute, clip

9:42

it up and bang it out. We can't.

9:44

No, come on. Jemm, that's all that. Actually,

9:46

no, come on. Jemm, I don't see that.

9:48

No, come on. Jemm, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep,

9:51

Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep,

9:53

Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep,

9:55

Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep,

9:57

Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep, Jep,

9:59

Jep, doing this big you want to make

10:01

it big you got to clip it up

10:03

you got to bang it out correct I

10:05

get that correct I'm not clipping it up

10:08

enough not even banging it out we're all

10:10

being made to feel that we are somehow

10:12

behind because we're not clipping and banging it

10:14

out we're all being made to feel that

10:16

we are somehow behind because we're not clipping

10:18

up and banging all day long you should run

10:20

gent clipping and banging clipping and banging

10:22

and banging and banging and banging and

10:25

banging consultancy yeah You're on to something

10:27

now. Because I know sometimes ring you

10:29

to hear. Clipp and bang. Clipp and

10:32

bang it, mate. I go, oh, what

10:34

do you think? Before I even complete

10:36

the queering. Clip it up and bang

10:38

it out. Get it out there. Get

10:41

it, clip, get it back. You can't

10:43

just clip any old crap up. You

10:45

think that would be? Yeah. You would

10:48

actually, you're right. But people are, they're

10:50

clipping. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, okay.

10:52

Also, you'll have enough knickknacks and bits

10:54

and pieces to have stuff to put.

10:56

We're clipping banging and we're knickknacking. I've

10:59

lost, I've lost, lost the thread of

11:01

this conversation. Anyway, you're, because you're the

11:03

queen of clip and bang. So true.

11:05

Yeah, you do it. You were the,

11:07

you were the, you were the OG.

11:10

You went with OG. Yes. You went,

11:12

OG. Yes. She was like, I don't

11:14

know, I went to bed, I woke

11:16

up with a hundred thousand dollars. Wow,

11:18

that's real, that's life. That's life guys,

11:21

that's life these days. See if you

11:23

can jump on this bandwagon, you can't.

11:25

Do you do, do you post pictures

11:27

and anything on socials? Are you engaged

11:29

with it? I try, but the thing

11:31

is I get overwhelmed quite easily, so

11:34

like if I get too many like

11:36

comments, I'll have to like close the

11:38

app. Yes. Because of the algorithm, I

11:40

feel like that only happens when I'm

11:43

like, I wore a swimsuit, the internet

11:45

loves swimsuit. Oh, that and feet.

11:47

Yeah, I'm not showing them, I'm

11:49

not showing in my feet, not yet.

11:51

I go, I'll show you my full bush

11:54

in a bikini. Show them like hairy toes,

11:56

yeah, but I won't show you my feet.

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14:00

Kema, let's go to your first picture.

14:02

Which one should we be looking at?

14:04

I'm assuming it's this one. Is it

14:06

me being a little kid? Yeah, I brought

14:08

it. So tell us where you are in

14:10

this picture and how old you are. Oh

14:13

you've got it for me. Oh good, good

14:15

good good good. Look how cute

14:17

you are. Adorable. You're only a

14:19

tiny bit taller than that. Just

14:21

a little baby. I

14:23

just got done vacuum and I was

14:25

tired. I used to use it up

14:27

right back room as a microphone stand

14:30

for when I was a kid. Very

14:32

nice! Are they really good mics? You

14:34

can't get into the nooks and crannies.

14:36

So true. How old are you there? I

14:38

want to give it like a... It's giving

14:41

like six. It's giving like five six.

14:43

Just quite small. Oh, it says

14:45

something on the back, but I

14:47

don't think that's time. Is that

14:49

the date? Twelve- Twelve- Twelve-O-one.

14:52

If that's true, then I would

14:54

have been six. Yeah. Right? Right?

14:56

2001. I think so. Oh crap.

14:58

How are you? I don't want

15:01

to talk about that. But it's

15:03

not important. It's not relevant. It's

15:05

really not real though, it's a

15:07

different time. Because different people are

15:10

different ages, and different times. Exactly.

15:12

And that's the spice of life.

15:14

Yeah, 100%. So who is this

15:17

little girl in this picture? So

15:19

I think at the time I'm

15:21

wearing like a towel, like I

15:23

would make a lot of clothes

15:26

out of like towels and scarves

15:28

and kind of parade around. You

15:30

know you're in your like fashion

15:33

designer model era. And I'm serving.

15:35

and posing and like yeah living

15:38

yeah so Houston is

15:40

quite a big like multicultural city

15:42

but when I was younger I

15:44

grew up on the southwest side

15:46

of Houston which is like a

15:49

bit rougher and I'd say a

15:51

bit blacker but then my mom

15:53

bought a house in like a

15:56

redneck area of Houston which was

15:58

kind of on the side of

16:00

town. When you were how

16:02

old? I would say like

16:04

10-11. So then we move

16:06

over there, things are different,

16:08

people are different, all of

16:10

a sudden I'm different. Yeah.

16:12

And that's a very specific

16:14

age for that to happen.

16:16

Yeah. Like you're really going

16:18

to be hyper aware of

16:20

that at that age. I

16:22

think also like something that

16:24

I'm kind of looking at

16:27

more recently is how... I think my

16:29

friend said that people are all,

16:31

I'm going to butcher it, but

16:33

like people are all just like

16:35

words but in different fonts. Like

16:37

we all come in different fonts

16:40

and I felt like at my

16:42

school I didn't know if it

16:44

was a me thing or an

16:46

outside thing, but those people like

16:48

couldn't read my font and

16:50

they couldn't see like how

16:52

absolutely adorable. I was so

16:55

gorgeous, iconic. And so for

16:57

a while it just felt

16:59

really like invisible and unseen

17:01

and I feel like that might

17:03

have been where some of the

17:05

like funnies came from. Right. Yeah.

17:07

And also in the photo. Quite

17:09

a quite a lonely kid. Like

17:12

an only child. I was living

17:14

with my mom. She's really busy

17:16

And so I think I think

17:18

you just find ways to like

17:20

entertain yourself really Yeah.

17:22

So when the kid in that

17:25

picture, that's before this big move.

17:27

Yeah, so she was a bit

17:29

more freeer and felt more seen.

17:31

Yeah. And then the move was

17:34

the massive shift. I would say

17:36

I definitely had a lovely time

17:38

at school with like, I went

17:40

to a charter school that was

17:43

started by these black American people

17:45

that wanted to be in touch

17:47

with Africa. So it was called

17:50

waset. Preparatory Academy and the principal

17:52

was Brother Jalani. Brother Jalani

17:54

was never there. He was

17:56

always a broad summer and

17:58

it kind of was really like

18:00

formative to be in that environment.

18:03

And so I think that kind

18:05

of fortified me for when I

18:07

moved into a very white area

18:09

to not feel like bad about

18:11

myself or something. Because some of

18:13

those people were racist. I

18:16

can imagine Texas. Like it

18:18

was very like literally confederate flag.

18:20

Oh, shit. Like it was

18:23

mad. How is that legal to

18:25

have one of those flags

18:27

up? It was crazy because they're

18:29

everywhere. They're around. They're everywhere.

18:31

What they stand for. Well, people

18:33

are wearing them like on t -shirts

18:35

and necklaces. We watched a TV show

18:37

all about bloody, with a jigsaw

18:39

hazard. you remember that? They had it

18:41

on the cart. And that's why

18:43

we watched that show with no understanding

18:45

of what the confederate flags did

18:48

for those good old boys, those good

18:50

old wankers. And they're literally just

18:52

like, this is about the pride of

18:54

the South. And it's like, what,

18:56

what does that mean? What are you

18:58

talking about? So your school was

19:00

almost entirely white? Yeah. So there were

19:02

probably like enough black kids

19:04

to count on both of my

19:06

hands. But like, I would

19:08

say probably over a thousand people

19:10

go to the school. That

19:12

seems crazy in a state that

19:14

has multicultural and particularly a

19:16

city as multicultural as you were

19:18

saying is Houston for there

19:20

to be so few. So it

19:22

feels like that people were

19:24

choosing schools based on race rather

19:26

Yeah. Well, I think, I

19:28

think a part of it

19:31

is like the zoning. And

19:33

so where I lived was

19:35

like at the crux of like

19:37

rich white people and redneck white

19:39

people. And like it was zoned

19:41

to the school with the redneck

19:44

white people. And it's kind of

19:46

like, like some people

19:48

have horses. Some people are

19:50

like living in like a

19:52

trailer park. Like that kind

19:54

of vibe. So

19:57

I graduated and I was like, oh

19:59

no. And then... I went to LA and

20:01

I had too much fun. I had

20:03

too much fun. Drugs and a horrible

20:06

girlfriend. I thought, she didn't sound fun.

20:08

No. No, the good time. She started

20:10

first. Yeah, and I was like, oh,

20:12

you like, that I like you, you

20:15

don't like me. Oh, no. And so

20:17

then I was like, I need to

20:19

get back on track because I'm a

20:21

very like driven person and I'm a

20:24

very like purpose driven person and I

20:26

felt very lost. So then I decided

20:28

to come get a master's in

20:30

TV production. And that's like, I'm

20:33

gonna work in TV production. In

20:35

the UK. It's such a big

20:37

move to go from Texas where

20:39

you've got, well, it leads to

20:42

your family and you've got like

20:44

your what you know. Texas is

20:46

nothing like, having been to Texas

20:48

is like a completely different world

20:50

away from here in so many

20:53

ways. A thousand percent, but

20:55

I think sometimes when when you

20:57

feel, I'll say it like retrospectively,

20:59

I recently went home and I

21:01

was like, wow, I could have

21:03

never like... blossomed into myself.

21:05

I could have never become

21:07

myself if I was still

21:09

here. I didn't have the space

21:11

to, I'd say, societyally, but also

21:13

within my family. So you had

21:15

an instinct for it, you know?

21:18

Yeah, I was like, there has

21:20

to be more, there's more for

21:22

me, there's bigger for me, and

21:24

I didn't realize that the bigger

21:26

for me was just me, like

21:28

it was becoming myself, being able

21:30

to explore queerness, but also my

21:32

voice, like through comedy, I like

21:34

found... my opinions are things about

21:36

me that I feel that actually

21:38

I like and like are those

21:40

weird? And you could you, what were

21:43

you doing in LA? Were you working?

21:45

I was working, oh my God. What

21:47

are you doing comedy there? A bit.

21:50

So I did improv in college. Right.

21:52

And then I did some improv in

21:54

LA and my jobs, my first job

21:57

was through my mom's godmother who owned

21:59

a colonic. Uh, colonic clinic? So it

22:01

was a receptionist. Put the bum,

22:04

water in the bum, get them

22:06

full, get full of the water.

22:08

Have you? Yeah. Same. Did you

22:11

watch it come out? I shut my

22:13

eyes. You feel like it's a cult? You're

22:15

like, I'm so empty. Wow, I'm so empty

22:17

now. I didn't feel different enough to worry

22:19

pipe up on. Doesn't it? Just get rid

22:21

of all the nice stuff. Because now it's

22:23

all about your body and bacteria. Yeah, you're

22:26

not supposed to take all this. But in

22:28

the 90s, everyone was obsessed with a thing

22:30

called Candida. Yes. You've heard of Candida, of

22:32

course, because then I think you came from

22:34

LA. What the hell's candida. I don't really

22:37

know. I don't really know. I don't really

22:39

know. I don't really know. I don't really

22:41

know. So you worked at a place that

22:44

was doing this all day long and then

22:46

gigging at night. Yeah, but my job there

22:48

was to give people probiotic on the way

22:50

out and try to get them to come

22:53

back again as soon as possible. Oh, really?

22:55

They were like, no, thank you. Okay, Kemah.

22:57

I want to know. So I've just

22:59

had a colonic. I'm coming out. First

23:02

of all, the walls were very thin, so

23:04

I heard, I heard you. Are we talking

23:06

vocal sounds or bum sounds? Both, like you

23:08

can hear like the water flowing, but also

23:10

you can hear people like... It's not water.

23:12

Not at the end, not at the end,

23:14

not at the end, some water, some other

23:16

stuff. I don't want to talk about what

23:19

it goes in. How would you, how would

23:21

you encourage people to come back? Because I

23:23

think once I've had a pipe up my

23:25

bum, I'm done. Well you just try to

23:27

pitch them in appointment and point me

23:29

like so. three weeks four weeks more would

23:31

you like to come back but it's

23:33

not like teeth whitening is it it's

23:36

not like let's keep this up it's

23:38

awful yeah shared packages she had packages that

23:40

were like loyalty cards yeah well it was

23:42

like a shit package you could get a

23:45

package where it was like oh you could

23:47

come like five times over two weeks like

23:49

as like a big clean time's like a

23:51

Because you think, I don't know if it's

23:54

psychosomatic or a placebo or something. You think,

23:56

oh my God, I've got to feel better,

23:58

I feel clear now. Well if you're going

24:01

five times in a two weeks, you are

24:03

actually hooked. You are cleared out. Through your

24:05

anus. Yeah. I know. But some people just

24:07

like to get out of the house. And

24:09

if they're on a loyalty scheme, they're like,

24:11

I love that woman who works on the

24:13

desk. Yeah, she's not. She's such a good

24:15

vibe. I feel a bit better. Such a

24:17

good verb. No one feels better. But you

24:19

know, they like treatments, they get into treatment,

24:21

cults. They love treatments. They're all about treatments

24:23

now. There was a lady who, so while

24:25

I was there and I was working, I

24:27

didn't know what to do beyond the appointment

24:29

stuff. I wasn't going. above and beyond.

24:31

So I was just looking at

24:33

a bunch of other jobs. But

24:35

one day this lady came in

24:37

and she used to be like

24:40

a producer for Oprah and I

24:42

was like wow and then I

24:44

was like can I show you

24:46

my CV? My CV was so

24:48

bad and I showed it to

24:50

her and she like gave me

24:52

like a few very passive non-enthusiastic

24:54

notes and I was like wow

24:56

this could be my big break.

24:58

It was not, it wasn't, it happened,

25:01

it happened to not have been, but

25:03

you know what I mean? But there

25:05

were like, there would be like famous

25:07

people that would like come in there.

25:09

But they're floating all over that town.

25:12

They're just walking about like touching watermelons

25:14

in. And I was like, wow. I

25:16

can't, I can't disclose, I couldn't disclose,

25:18

because one day I could work with

25:21

them and then they're going to find

25:23

this. And they're going to be like,

25:25

wow, you talked about my... you talked

25:27

about the my flushing okay maybe

25:30

when you talked about my

25:32

booty flushing can we do this

25:34

off yeah sure great what's this picture

25:36

here here here is this the

25:38

next photo so this this is

25:41

when I'm pretty sure this is

25:43

when I'm studying theater it's insane

25:45

it's very dramatic and I don't

25:47

know a picture of you right

25:50

in front of your face that's

25:52

a great I don't know if

25:54

that is that is a It

25:56

does realize I'm studying high school

25:59

or university. But I'm a

26:01

given drama. I'm given drama.

26:03

And I think sometimes you

26:06

got to see yourself. It's

26:08

a strong. Strong. Strong.

26:10

Because having studied drama as

26:12

well, you do a lot

26:15

of these exercises where you

26:17

probably had to hold that

26:19

thing up and be like

26:21

the face. I once did

26:23

a workshop where I had

26:26

to pull off the mask.

26:28

Wow. Yeah. The mask is you. Your facade.

26:30

Your facade. Let down the facade. Did

26:32

that help? With the acting? I don't

26:34

know. No one is sure. No one is

26:37

sure. No one is sure. But you get

26:39

to feel feels. You do do the exercise.

26:41

You get deep in your fields. Yeah. You

26:43

pretend to be a dog? Yep. I did

26:45

something similar. I did read the

26:48

match check. You had to choose an

26:50

animal. And then you did a monologue

26:52

to suit that animal. So I chose

26:54

a camel. And I chose a camel.

26:56

I was a camel. I was a

26:58

camel for a term. Get out! A

27:00

turn! Lots of chewing. I was a

27:02

camel I had the hump. Classer. Anyway,

27:05

I can't remember what the monologue

27:07

was. And then I had to

27:10

do the monologue in the style

27:12

of being a camel. Which seemed

27:15

perfectly reasonable. This is why we

27:17

got camel rooves. Camel hooves.

27:19

And the other thing, and the

27:21

other thing there, Jesus Christ, and

27:24

the other thing I had to

27:26

do was to end up, and

27:29

the other thing I had to

27:31

do was end up, and I

27:33

have had it as well, we all

27:35

had it right. Did you have to do

27:37

that thing where I had to pretend to

27:40

be a baby camel being a camel being

27:42

giving birth to a baby camel and then

27:44

and then so then I had to be

27:46

the baby camel growing up into an adult

27:48

could that help? I don't think it helped

27:50

me. I think when you make yourself be

27:52

vulnerable and do stuff like that I think

27:54

there's something powerful about that kind of stuff.

27:57

I'm looking at both of you and I

27:59

feel that camel energy here. It's strong.

28:01

You gotta hold on to it.

28:03

Yeah, long eyelashes. I see it.

28:05

But I see that. He's a

28:07

classic drama student photograph. This is

28:09

before I found out that my

28:11

degree was useless. I don't believe

28:14

it was useless. Actually, no, we've

28:16

been looking out. Do you know

28:18

what the degree gives you? It

28:20

took a while. What would it

28:22

use for your degree? Tell me.

28:24

I don't know. Nothing I'd want

28:27

to do. Exactly. At least you

28:29

did three years of something you actually

28:31

were vaguely interested in. And also, I think

28:33

the one thing it gives you, it just

28:35

gives you that space to feel like, you

28:37

know... I don't know. There is a lot

28:39

about vulnerability, which you need to be a

28:41

stand-up comedian. The only way you get you

28:43

got it stand-up stand-up is to allow yourself

28:45

to be vulnerable on stage. And you probably

28:47

got a bit of that from doing that

28:49

degree, would you say? Yeah. I mean, I'm

28:52

touching straws. I don't know you. I just

28:54

think we often put down our degrees if

28:56

we've got an arts degree. Yeah. And we

28:58

should maybe stop doing that. I just told

29:00

you. I had to pretend to be a baby camel.

29:02

And that's beautiful. That's beautiful.

29:04

Also, I wouldn't have found

29:06

comedy if I didn't because

29:09

a teacher of mine held

29:11

me after class and he

29:13

was like, hey, you're talking

29:15

a lot in my class. But your

29:17

comments are pretty funny, you

29:20

should audition for the improv

29:22

team. Really? So that teacher

29:24

was a key human? Yeah,

29:26

that's how it happened. And

29:28

what was your relationship with

29:30

comedy prior to that? Did

29:32

you love comedy? Did you? Just

29:34

enjoyed it, but I wasn't, you know,

29:37

some people like... No, I mean,

29:39

I still... I was finding my voice

29:41

in so many ways, so I

29:43

didn't really think that I could like

29:45

use it professionally. Like,

29:47

you know, like some people, I talked to a

29:49

lot of comedians and like, oh, I always love

29:52

comedy, it's been like a nerd of comedy, I

29:54

would study it, and I wanted to be a

29:56

comedian my whole life. I wanted to be a

29:58

vet for a long time. to absolutely terrible

30:01

at science though. Couldn't have

30:03

been there in my wildest

30:05

dreams? Hey I'm glad you're not.

30:07

I don't want to have my,

30:09

I can be elbow-dealing camels. I

30:11

always want to bring my pets to

30:14

you. I wouldn't bring what you can't

30:16

really put to you. You wouldn't. You

30:18

wouldn't bring Molly to me. No but

30:20

Molly and I can act. Not for

30:23

care. Not care. No. What do you

30:25

mean? I'm not caring. Jokes. Jokes! But

30:27

not care. I think there are a

30:30

few comedians, I think it's interesting because

30:32

some comics are like that. They're like,

30:34

oh, it was like comedy, it

30:36

was something I always wanted to do,

30:39

but there are quite a few that

30:41

are like, I never, I'd never seen

30:43

comedy until it kind of, I feel

30:46

like those are the two camps. Yeah.

30:48

Are the people that like, literally can

30:50

quote like George Carlin and then the

30:52

other ones are like, like, I don't

30:54

ever watch comedy. because I was there

30:57

just put like comedy on like I

30:59

think my dad watched like two specials

31:01

in a row and then like my

31:03

mom was like do you want to

31:05

watch blah blah blah and it occurred

31:07

to me that this has been happening like

31:09

my whole life like they both really like

31:12

comedy and I thought that I

31:14

was more interesting than that. Oh

31:16

but it was always going on

31:18

all along they just Yeah. So

31:20

it was going in somehow. You

31:22

know, I'm like, I'm not one

31:24

of those people that's doing their

31:26

art for my parents' approval. And then

31:28

I was like, oh. Oh. What is it?

31:30

Tell us about the improv stuff, because

31:33

improv in the States is

31:35

quite different to how it

31:37

is here. Hello. Dramatic drop

31:39

of the glass. I was doing short

31:42

for him in probably a lot of games,

31:44

very silly, but like, oh, the people, the

31:46

people I was on the team with, they

31:48

were so loud. They were just so loud.

31:51

That is not so different than that is

31:53

an improper thing. It's the same, it's the

31:55

same. I think it is a little bit.

31:57

Loud white guys, does that resonate? Yeah, right.

31:59

I found that when I was

32:02

at UCB studying, I still felt

32:04

like, because it's a team

32:06

sport, and I found that

32:08

I'm much better like creating

32:11

when I'm able to like take

32:13

the lead, if not do it

32:15

myself, but I found it was

32:17

still so many 29-year-old white guys

32:20

named Zach, and then you're creating

32:22

scenes with him, and I'm like,

32:24

we're camping again. Suck me, like

32:26

come on, like we're never gonna

32:29

go where I want to go.

32:31

That's funny! It was mad. You

32:33

know what I mean? Just like

32:35

why? Why is this always happening?

32:38

So I started to like shy

32:40

away from it. But only after

32:42

I gave them so much money.

32:44

But I felt like... Oh to

32:46

do these courses. Yeah, to study

32:48

the courses. Because I think it

32:50

was like 800 per course and

32:52

I did like three of the

32:54

four levels. Right. And then I

32:56

moved here. and then it was

32:58

stand up. Yeah, but also I

33:00

was still scared. So I told

33:02

myself before I graduated from my

33:04

program, which was like 18 months,

33:06

I was like, do you stand

33:08

up like once or twice before

33:10

you leave? And it like took me

33:13

a while, but then I went and

33:15

I did like an open mic. I

33:17

remember one of my first gigs being

33:19

here. So I did stand up a

33:21

bit when I was there, probably like,

33:24

maybe like three or four times, but

33:26

I was very scared. talking about

33:28

the saddest shit like there was one

33:30

day where I was trying to find

33:32

a new job and the job market

33:35

was so saturated it was really hard

33:37

to find jobs probably still is yeah

33:39

and I was like okay I'll work

33:41

at like a bikini bar like I

33:43

was like I'll use the fact that

33:46

I'm young and cute to get a

33:48

job I went to this bikini bar

33:50

in Orange County there was a lady

33:52

who was working there had like the

33:55

biggest not real boob They were so

33:57

big, it was crazy. Then she just had

33:59

like a... triangle bikini, the triangles

34:01

were so small, just like

34:03

covering the nipple, and I

34:05

was like, I can work

34:08

here, yeah, I can work

34:10

here. And then I go

34:12

in the office, the guys

34:14

conducting the interview, and like,

34:16

I'm like, yeah, yeah, I

34:18

can handle that. Oh, yeah.

34:20

I went to bartending school,

34:23

crazy. paying to learn to work

34:25

bar. What do you mean? Paying

34:27

to learn how to pour a

34:29

drink? Yeah, and I used to

34:31

know how to make so many

34:33

cocktails. You know, you learn what's

34:35

behind the bar, how to set

34:37

up the bar, how to clean

34:39

the bar, how to clean the

34:41

bar, which you could just learn

34:43

at work. But I was like,

34:45

I worked at the Pacific Bow

34:47

Tending School. Yeah, I was like,

34:49

I'm cute, and I went to

34:51

Pacific Bow Tending School School, and

34:53

the guy was like, oh. And

34:55

also

34:59

I

35:01

found

35:03

quite

35:06

early

35:08

on

35:10

that

35:12

if

35:15

you

35:17

emotionally charge it

35:19

and not with sadness but

35:22

like things that I was

35:24

really passionate about I

35:26

was able to make really

35:29

funny and I was like

35:31

oh like it needs it

35:33

needs a charge like things

35:35

work really well for me

35:37

when there's a charge right

35:39

and so yeah I found them

35:42

I found I found my way

35:46

Is the next photo a stand-up-y photo?

35:48

Because I'm curious about the stand-up.

35:50

Is this the next photo? This is actually the

35:53

next photo. How many photos are there? I

35:55

haven't got that one. No, let's go to

35:57

that photo. I think I just brought this

35:59

on accident. I don't want to see

36:01

that picture. What the fuck is

36:03

going on? Okay. Was it in

36:05

Texas? I thought that was a...

36:07

Holy shit, that's not you. Yeah,

36:09

that was... I won a pageant

36:12

when I was in college. Wait

36:14

what? Yeah, crazy. Yeah. Oh

36:16

my god. I don't recognize

36:18

that. I don't know. That's

36:20

a part of my narrative.

36:22

That's not. Maybe I just

36:24

brought it because I was

36:26

like, yeah. Because it's a

36:28

very American. Yeah. And it's

36:30

just, to me, that's what

36:32

American girls. Such a different

36:34

girl as well. We don't

36:36

have pageant. Do we have

36:38

a Fraternity's pageant, double American.

36:40

I got a small scholarship.

36:43

Yeah. And I would say, would you in

36:45

that picture? I would say, maybe

36:47

like 20, 21. Were you in a sorority?

36:49

I wasn't, I tried, but they would not

36:51

let me in. It's like a club or

36:54

a gang or a thing. Yeah, and a

36:56

cult at the same time. You have to

36:58

go and do a thing to join

37:00

it, like they could make you

37:02

do something, I don't know. Yeah.

37:04

Frat, like the masons. I feel like

37:06

somewhat like that, but like a bit

37:08

more silly and like they'll like haze

37:11

you and make you do stuff but

37:13

then they pretend that they're not making

37:15

you do stuff but you got to

37:17

prove that you're down and you're cool

37:19

and then you can be a part

37:22

of the thing and then you pay

37:24

them like thousands of dollars to... Yeah,

37:26

what the hell is that? Because I

37:28

was with all the theatre lot in the

37:31

USF and... Everybody that was in

37:33

the theater lot just thought all the sororities

37:35

and fraternities were a bunch of weirders. They

37:37

were like, we would never join one of

37:39

those. You mad. They're full of absolute nothing.

37:41

Do you know what? I've thought that it

37:43

would give me some kind of sense of

37:45

belonging, but I didn't know that I'm like my

37:47

own thing and my own thing is a

37:49

really good thing. Like I also, another element

37:51

was I was like, in my year of

37:53

like 30 students in the theater program, I

37:56

was the only a black student and I

37:58

think the black student and I think the

38:00

year above me there might have been

38:02

like one or two maybe like

38:04

one in the year before that

38:06

so like and the for the

38:08

sorority in question and the fraternity

38:10

in question were like black sororities

38:12

and fraternities so I was like

38:14

maybe some sense of like connection

38:16

right I'm always trying to connect

38:18

really but I've found now that it's

38:21

a me thing like yeah yeah I

38:23

mean I can relate to that I

38:25

think most comedians can but I think

38:27

the thing I found interesting at interesting

38:29

at being at college in America

38:31

is how tribal it is and how

38:34

binary it is. There's no, and like

38:36

everybody sticks in there, so like we

38:38

were on a dorm with two other,

38:40

we were on a dorm with three

38:42

white English kids with two black kids

38:44

from Florida. They hated us for like

38:46

the first two or three months, so

38:49

like you're rich. And when we were

38:51

like, oh no, no, we're not paying

38:53

for fees and we all had to

38:55

like have three jobs to get here,

38:57

then they were like, oh, you're not

38:59

like the other white kids. We're like,

39:01

who are these other white kids? I

39:04

don't know who you're referring to. And

39:06

then they kind of warmed to us.

39:08

They still thought we were balanced, but

39:10

they weren't like hiding our food and

39:12

calling us dick heads when we walked

39:14

as when we walked past. What were

39:16

you going through? Oh no! I mean,

39:19

like, it was so racist. Like, white

39:21

students were like, oh, you're hanging out

39:23

with the black students? Like, yeah.

39:25

I can imagine as well,

39:27

because like, Florida is like,

39:29

Florida is like, Florida

39:31

is insane. The UK

39:33

just moves a little differently,

39:36

I think, in that

39:38

way. Definitely, white as

39:40

overt. Yeah, it's more insidious. It's a

39:42

it's a gas lady one. Yeah. We're

39:44

like was that? You're like, but he

39:46

said sorry, but what was the tone

39:49

of the sorry? What sorry was that?

39:51

Yeah, yeah. And I think that's why

39:53

a lot of British people go, we're

39:55

not racist because when you go to

39:57

the States in America, they do it.

39:59

So, that we can kind of walk away

40:02

and go, hey, we're a great country and

40:04

it's actually, we're not a great

40:06

country and we don't deal with race

40:08

particularly well, but we are a different

40:11

beast. Yeah. I think also there can

40:13

be an expectation of like how you're

40:15

supposed to be and like doing improv

40:18

and stuff, I think didn't align with

40:20

like the black community. And what

40:22

I found interesting about moving here,

40:24

which will be the little cute

40:26

short hair photo. No one knew

40:29

what to place on me. So I

40:31

think if you're here in London and

40:33

you, I mean, you guys are able

40:35

to project things on to each other

40:37

based on like accents or what like

40:40

girls school you went to or whatever

40:42

the fuck. No one knew what to

40:44

project on to me besides things

40:46

that worked in my favorite

40:48

like coolness from being like

40:50

American and black. They're like,

40:53

oh, black American. cool. You

40:55

must know, you must like

40:57

hip hop. Like no one

40:59

knew what to do. So

41:01

then I was able to

41:04

just be like free and

41:06

kind of like find myself

41:08

without that kind of stuff

41:10

like weighing me down or

41:12

the expectations to be a certain

41:15

way and move a certain way.

41:17

Like kind of clean slate

41:19

you can move how you'd

41:21

like to move. Talk about your

41:23

hair cut here because I think this

41:25

is such a beautiful picture. I was moving

41:27

to London and I was like I

41:29

want to make sure that I have everything

41:32

because even though even though this is like

41:34

I come here before so I knew that

41:36

you guys had stuff but I still

41:38

didn't want to have to find stuff so

41:41

I was like I'm gonna get like you

41:43

know get new glasses before I come

41:45

get my prescription but also I had two

41:47

suitcases when I moved here one of which

41:50

was full of clothes the other way was

41:52

full of like comforts and toiletries. I

41:54

was just like, I don't want to

41:56

have to figure out what toothpaste. Turns

41:58

out you have Colgate. It's the same.

42:01

But I was like, I don't

42:03

want to have to figure that

42:05

out. And I was like, I'm

42:07

going to get my haircut. And

42:09

I really wanted a curly haircut.

42:11

I really wanted a diva cut.

42:13

What's a diva cut? I don't

42:15

know. But like there's this company

42:17

and they sell like Diva Curl

42:19

products and so like you cut

42:21

a certain way along the curl

42:23

of the hair that maximizes the

42:25

something something. So you take each

42:27

like kind of curl little cluster

42:30

of curls and you cut them

42:32

individually at a certain angle along

42:34

the helix of the something blah

42:36

blah blah. And you have to

42:38

have this. This is bringing big

42:40

bullshit vibes. Oh, okay. We gotta

42:42

have a license to do it.

42:44

So I needed to find a

42:46

Diva Curl specialist. This is reminding

42:48

me of the cornic irrigation program.

42:50

I don't think so. Well, based

42:52

off of... And they were like,

42:54

Diva Curl specialists can cut any

42:56

kind of hair. So I ended

42:59

up going to the salon and

43:01

it was a white lady. I

43:03

think it was called like Planet

43:05

Curl or something. This is here.

43:07

I'm purping in Texas. Oh, so

43:09

she got it done there to

43:11

come there. Yeah. Yeah. But surely

43:13

in Texas there's loads of salons

43:15

for it? I didn't, I was

43:17

trying to do the curly and

43:19

I didn't know. And also this

43:21

is like a different era in

43:23

the like natural hair movement where

43:25

I feel like more people know

43:28

more now, but I didn't know

43:30

and so I went to this

43:32

lady and basically if you are

43:34

not informed when you have black

43:36

hair, um... it can be like

43:38

there's like shrinkage that occurs and

43:40

so when you like wet the

43:42

hair as it dries it kind

43:44

of like shrivels up in a

43:46

way and the like curls get

43:48

tighter and so when I came

43:50

my hair was like kind of

43:52

stretched out a bit longer and

43:54

she was just like snip snip

43:57

snip snip snip snip snip snip

43:59

snip snip snip snip And I

44:01

felt like, have you seen the

44:03

hot tub time machine? No. There's

44:05

this. And that's fair. I usually

44:07

know when you started. He's also

44:09

in the American office. But I

44:11

can't, I don't know his name

44:13

in the American office, but I

44:15

can't, I don't know his name

44:17

in the American office, but he's

44:19

in hot tub time machine and

44:21

is this black man named Karl,

44:23

Karl Robinson. Craig Robinson. Sorry Craig

44:26

Robinson. Sorry, Craig Robinson. No, he's

44:28

American. I don't know who you're

44:30

thinking about. Apologies to Craig Robinson.

44:32

Are you thinking of that guy

44:34

that did presented a late night

44:36

show in America? Yes. Craigerson. Ferguson.

44:38

Ferguson. Not a reasonable mix-up. Yeah.

44:40

That's actually reason. For me. For

44:42

me. That's not bad. Okay. They

44:44

are adjacent to each other. Basically,

44:46

Craig Robinson has like a really,

44:48

like short. haircut and I felt

44:50

like him and I was just

44:52

like I was like I look

44:55

like I look like fucking Craig

44:57

Robinson. And you had to come

44:59

to London and present. Yeah and

45:01

at the time I was a

45:03

big thank you they're new. I

45:05

kept joking that I look like

45:07

an 80s Peter. Like it was

45:09

giving serial killer but I was

45:11

having a little bit of time.

45:13

But the PDA glasses have been

45:15

reclaimed by the court. Yeah and

45:17

they were being reclaimed at that

45:19

time so I helped with the

45:21

reclamation. And also I gotta say

45:24

I really like that hair. I

45:26

mean I think you look right.

45:28

I mean I don't know what

45:30

happened then. At the time it

45:32

was tough but I also this

45:34

was before like a kind of

45:36

a lent into like the masculinity

45:38

that I hold so I was

45:40

like. I have short hair and

45:42

I'm trying to get all the

45:44

dick in the world. Like I

45:46

just couldn't, I couldn't found them.

45:48

But I made it work, I

45:50

made it work. Oh, you can

45:53

make it work, you look so

45:55

hot. Thanks, I appreciate that. Coming

45:57

from a short hair fissionado. Yeah,

45:59

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conditions apply. Let's look at the

47:30

next picture we've got here. So

47:32

there's two and they're both in

47:34

the lift and I've got... There's

47:36

one that that's at first with

47:38

my mom. And like, she came

47:40

to visit me most recently. I

47:42

think it's her third time, if

47:44

not fourth. Yeah, and we're having

47:46

a lovely time. I still look

47:48

so blurry. It looks so fucked

47:51

up. So this isn't the same

47:53

lift on the same day. These

47:55

are different lifts on different days.

47:57

No, yeah, because one, same lift,

47:59

same lift, different day. My current

48:01

flat, so this is the photo

48:03

non-blurry. Okay. taking her out take

48:05

your mama out all night and

48:07

I did that on mother's day

48:09

they gotta do it take your

48:11

mama out all night yeah that's

48:13

crazy wow still not camping still

48:15

that camping for that um okay

48:17

let's go back to this picture

48:20

Yeah. And you and your mom,

48:22

so your mom came, is this

48:24

a recent picture of you and

48:26

your mom? Yeah, it's like November,

48:28

November 2024. And why is she

48:30

laughing? What's going on? Why are

48:32

you? Because I'm fucking hilarious. Do

48:34

you really make her life? Is

48:36

that a kind of thing? Yeah,

48:38

she's very silly. I'm very silly.

48:40

And like... We had just, I

48:42

think that's on the way back,

48:44

not on the way down. So

48:46

she's wearing like my jacket. She

48:49

was having a really fun time

48:51

wearing my clothes. And my show

48:53

was at Soho Theatre, so she

48:55

came over to see it. And

48:57

like, she was just having a

48:59

really nice time being, and I

49:01

quote, Kima Bob's mom. Yeah, she's

49:03

adorable. What did you think of

49:05

your show? She really liked that.

49:07

And how did it feel performing

49:09

with her there? I thought it

49:11

would be weird, but because of

49:13

the story that I tell them

49:15

the show, but it was fun.

49:18

Why, what was it? This is

49:20

sexual, is it? Not even, basically,

49:22

I had like a manic episode

49:24

in 2023, and I went to

49:26

Thailand. I didn't do any research

49:28

on Thailand, and also I was

49:30

too unwell to avoid danger. So

49:32

like, did I almost get kidnapped

49:34

in traffic? Yes. I thought that

49:36

I did want to be freaked

49:38

out about it. I talked to

49:40

her about it. I talked to

49:42

her about it. Okay. Before. Yeah,

49:44

but I didn't want her to

49:47

be like weirded out by it

49:49

or whatever. And also like she's

49:51

mentioned in the show, but she

49:53

really like she's a very, um,

49:55

not like a shame free person,

49:57

but her like motto is like.

49:59

If you own your shit, how

50:01

can anyone make you feel bad

50:03

about your shit? She's right. A

50:05

thousand percent. I'm grateful. to have

50:07

that influence. Yeah, so I was

50:09

doing it for four nights. She

50:11

came for three out of the

50:13

four. And like, this night, I

50:16

think it was before the run,

50:18

but I took her to a

50:20

night for, like, queer, older, like,

50:22

women. It's called, like, Sistermatic. And

50:24

I don't think it's four queer

50:26

older women, but it advertises playing

50:28

music from, like, the 80s and

50:30

beyond. like I took her and

50:32

like she met this lady and

50:34

they were like floating and they

50:36

ended up like going out on

50:38

a day and she just had

50:40

a really fun night and then

50:42

we went to go get a

50:45

kebab after and like I think

50:47

this was on the lift on

50:49

the way back up. And it

50:51

was just cute because it was

50:53

the first time that I like,

50:55

I think my mom, like her

50:57

freeness and stuff, has like bothered

50:59

me in different ways over the

51:01

years. And like just be a

51:03

normal mom, be a normal lady.

51:05

And it's like, she's not, she's

51:07

actually really fucking cool. And I

51:09

finally just like allowed myself to

51:11

embrace that and to see that

51:14

and just let her be herself.

51:16

And it was nice because it

51:18

was like, yeah, I think it's

51:20

such a gift. to be able

51:22

to see someone for who they

51:24

are, especially like your mom, and

51:26

to allow them to see you

51:28

for who you really are. Yeah,

51:30

not get caught up in Mother's

51:32

stories. And I was like, just

51:34

let her be a fun lady.

51:36

And like, she's such a fun

51:38

lady. Yeah,

51:43

so there's a lift picture. So

51:45

this is with Nishkuma and who

51:47

else, I can't, because this is

51:49

blurry, so I can't see who

51:51

else is in the background. That's

51:54

Ella, who makes my podcast, am

51:56

I plugging it? That's debatable. Plug

51:58

it! I'll plug it, plug it,

52:00

plug it. So doing podcasts for

52:02

a long time and having such

52:04

a fun time, but not having

52:06

my own, and then kind of

52:08

feeling like, I want to make

52:10

something, but what do I want

52:12

to make? And it's taking me

52:14

a long time to think about

52:16

it, and also to make something

52:19

that, I mean, this podcast is

52:21

a great example of something that

52:23

is like... fun and funny but

52:25

also real and touches on like

52:27

the people's stories and I think

52:29

people's stories are so like valuable

52:31

and interesting and there's a lot

52:33

we can learn from each other

52:35

and a lot of commonalities we

52:37

can find. So I was like

52:39

I'm gonna make a podcast that

52:42

like explores who people are and

52:44

how they feel about who they

52:46

are and how they think they...

52:48

have become who they are and

52:50

how they deal with who they

52:52

are because sometimes it's hard like

52:54

I'm 31 and right now I'm

52:56

trying to wake up at my

52:58

birth time for no reason other

53:00

than the wait wait what you

53:02

mean I'm trying to wake up

53:04

at the time I was born

53:07

which is 658 a. What's that?

53:09

I don't know. It's from that

53:11

from that frustration of trying to

53:13

figure out how to be and

53:15

also just feeling like like we

53:17

should like just be but then

53:19

it's like hard to just be

53:21

because like you have to make

53:23

money and then you know what

53:25

I mean? Yeah. So I tried

53:27

to do it different ways and

53:29

we did like in the studio

53:32

but then it felt wrong for

53:34

like the comfort that I wanted

53:36

to create. Yeah. And then I

53:38

was like I think I should

53:40

do it in my house. hate

53:42

my couch, my walls are bare,

53:44

it is not giving sexy podcast.

53:46

But it's a shoes off house,

53:48

you come, you sit on the

53:50

couch and we talk about who

53:52

you are and I think it's

53:54

so comfy and this is the

53:57

first day that we tried it

53:59

and like Nish is like a

54:01

good friend. So he was your

54:03

first guest on the couch. Right,

54:05

right. We've done the studio a

54:07

bit. So it's got a therapy

54:09

vibe. How do you get the

54:11

conversation moving? We do like with

54:13

astrology. Oh really? We do. Take

54:15

your birth time and we'll ask

54:17

you, like, do you believe in

54:19

astrology? And we have some chill

54:22

questions. Very chill questions, but some

54:24

of them are more chill than

54:26

me than me than I think.

54:28

Like, I asked James Acaster as

54:30

an icebreaker. What's the worst thing

54:32

about being famous. Okay, I mean

54:34

he can go deep on that.

54:36

That's probably one of his favorite

54:38

topics. Yeah, he can talk for

54:40

hours on that. But he was

54:42

like, that's a nice baker and

54:44

I was like, my bad man.

54:47

Yeah, but you got to get

54:49

on from them. I was like.

54:51

I don't know, yeah, I think

54:53

so, I think so. Yeah, but

54:55

he wants you to say Poppidons

54:57

on bread, that's... I'm like, no,

54:59

we're going in. Is it annoying?

55:01

Is it annoying? But yeah, so

55:03

we start off with some like

55:05

ice breakers and then... I asked

55:07

my guess if they believe in

55:10

astrology and it doesn't matter if

55:12

you do or not. No exactly,

55:14

it's just to get a conversation

55:16

going. I'm still going to read

55:18

you a shit, but what's interesting

55:20

is like, so when you look

55:22

at me, like I'm in policies,

55:24

which means that I might be

55:26

like really emotional and prone to

55:28

escapism and things like that. So

55:30

I'd ask you, would you agree?

55:32

Do you feel like you're really

55:35

emotional? Do you ever feel like

55:37

you want to like... get away

55:39

when things get tough and then

55:41

we kind of use that as

55:43

a window in so it's like

55:45

essentially calling out and bringing up

55:47

these characteristics that might align with

55:49

you and may not but now

55:51

we're talking about who you are.

55:53

Yes because even when we put

55:55

an idea you'll probably something like

55:57

a thousand percent and also like

56:00

it's so funny to hear someone

56:02

be like no I think it's

56:04

bullshit and then be like yeah.

56:06

Yeah, I guess I am a

56:08

Capricore. All the stories to where

56:10

they have a resistance to it.

56:12

I've been a bit cynical, but

56:14

my mom was, oh I can

56:16

love all that shit, but one

56:18

of my mom was really into

56:20

it and she made me sit

56:22

in the car once while she

56:25

got her chart done. And I

56:27

think, maybe that's why I'm resistant

56:29

to it, because she made me

56:31

sit in the car while she

56:33

went and got a job. I

56:35

think I have had it done

56:37

and some of it resonates. Are

56:39

you horny? Now. Just ever? Yeah.

56:41

Isn't everyone? But they say that

56:43

Scopios are quite horny. Scopios are

56:45

the horniest. Well they say they're

56:47

the horniest, they're the sexy witch

56:50

is, sexy horny witch. I see

56:52

it, I see it. I don't

56:54

have to go with that. You're

56:56

a sexy witch. Sex witch suits

56:58

me fine. Yeah. But you know,

57:00

sometimes you're the horny and sometimes

57:02

you're not and that's applicable. That's

57:04

real. To everyone. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

57:06

yeah. I don't know if anyone's

57:08

ever said Aquarius. Do you want

57:10

me to say this is the

57:12

dawning of the age of Aquarius?

57:15

This is the dawning of the

57:17

day. Frank's an Aquarius. Is it?

57:19

I don't know anything about Aquarius.

57:21

I don't know if anyone's ever

57:23

said this, but I really like

57:25

you guys. That is actually a

57:27

breast. I'm over the moon with

57:29

that. I think we have wangled

57:31

away for how long to get

57:33

that compliment. Yes, please. How many

57:35

episodes are we down? How many

57:38

episodes? It's quite confusing getting that

57:40

compliment. Really fun of having a

57:42

nice time. Come over the room.

57:44

You are on tour at the

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moment. Tell us where we can

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find information about tickets and shows.

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Kimob.com and please someone come. We've

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ran the numbers and it's now

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going on. You look at the

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spreadsheet and you go, hey, well,

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I'm proud of the show. Hey,

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I'm glad to share it. I'm

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glad to share it. I'm glad

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to share it. Yeah, I made

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a thing and I'm just putting

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it out. It's bang time now.

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Thank you so much for coming

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in and showing us your pictures.

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Oh, I have to say please

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listen to podcasts. Also found that

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coming in. Yeah, that's so nice.

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