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Hello and welcome to Memory Lane.

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I'm Jen Brister. And I'm Kerry Godleyman.

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Each week we'll be taking a trip

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down Memory Lane with our very special

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guest as they bring in four photos

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from their lives to talk about. To

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check out the photos we'd be having

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a matter with them about. They're on

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the episode image and you can also

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see them a little bit more clearly

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on our Instagram page. So have a

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little look at Memory Lane

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podcast. Come on, we can all be nosy

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together. listener photos that have come

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in. Some of these are absolutely dynamite

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and I love that they're all

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about our age. Of course they

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are. 1983 I was seven like

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oh I mean there's a reference

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to Elder Ogden in this first

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one and Joel our producer was

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like I don't know who that

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is. I can't believe you don't.

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Joel, the fact that you don't

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know who Hilda Ogden is, is

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absolutely... I mean I never even

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watched Coronation Street. I did, so

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I'm really familiar with Hilda Ogden.

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Well this is from... No

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one's called Hilda anymore. Have

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you ever met Hilda? No,

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we're not doing Hilda at the

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moment. No, we're not doing Hilda

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at the moment. It'll come

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back. A bit like Hilda. Yeah. It's

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just I've never known another, old or

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new. I've never known a Hilda, except

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Hilda Ogden. That is true. Never met

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a Hilda, never heard of a Hilda?

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Well, even like a grandparent as Hilda.

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I can't believe that this is the

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thing that we're zoning in on. Okay,

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no, let's go in. Forget it. I've

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been distracted. Right. Let's talk about this

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picture. Okay. So this is from

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Alex Grundy and he has dressed

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up as the iconic Hilda Ogden.

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This picture was taken in the

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early 80s in Corfu on holiday.

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Yes. I mean we can but...

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He said hello Kerry and Jen.

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I've listened to your last step

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so I thought I sent you

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this picture. I love... fancy dress,

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started when I was about seven on

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holiday in Corfu. My mum thought she'd

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enter me into the hotel's fancy dress

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competition as Hilda Ogden, who no one

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had heard of. So she renamed me

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Little Scrubber. Well, it was the early

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80s, enough said Alex. A different time,

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true indeed. My brother was the hunchback

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of Notre Dame and he came second,

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maybe because the Europeans knew who that

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was. loving the show Alex I'm no

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disrespects Alex but I'm uncertain if you

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were a little boy or a little

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girl in this picture I don't know

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because I think he's a boy but

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looks so good with the I mean

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the he's a brilliant Hilda Ogden I

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love the bog brush the fag in

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his mouth the rollers the hairnet it's

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the rollers for me his mom's really

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committed to it do you remember do

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you remember they were like I mean

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I don't really, I mean kids, my,

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our kids do fancy dress, but it

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was always like at home, like they're

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like dress up, but I don't remember,

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because I don't never took my kids

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now to like one of those camps

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where there's, you know, you can get

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dress up and there's a competition for

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children to do stuff. And I remember

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dress dress dress. No, no. But what

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book days the classic, isn't it? Yeah,

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but I mean like when you go

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to a family thing, like, like, like,

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or you go to go to a

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like, or you go to a go

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to a go to a go to

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a go to a go to a

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camp site or you go to a

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camp site or you go to a

3:30

camp site or you go to a

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camp site or you go to a

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camp site or you go to a

3:36

camp site, or you go to a

3:38

camp site, or you go to a

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camp site, or you go to a

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camp site, like, or you go to

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a camp site, or you go to

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a Yeah, maybe. You know, like buttlings,

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pontins? I think though in the eight,

3:52

when I was a kid, I had

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fancy dress parties. Yeah. And I told

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you my fancy dress, my cowboys and

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Indians one. I don't think you've got

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to say that. I mean, that's not

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phrasing use anymore. But as Alex pointed

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out in the 80s, it was you

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could say anything, yeah. So I had

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a cowboys, cow girls, everyone's meant to

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come as a cow girl. My friends

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only cook, come as a cat. And

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she looked, this is sort of pre-pubity,

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but I think she was a bit

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more cuspy, she was older. And I

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was like, a sexy cat, and I

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just, you, that, she's... She was detracting

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from your... Yeah, I felt deeply troubled

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and couldn't put my finger on why.

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Were you a cowgirl or were you?

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I was a cowgirl. I had plached

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and a cowgirl hat and a holster

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and a little like waistcoat and a

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waistcoat and a waistcoat and yeah I

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went for it. Yeah I went for

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it. My mates and a cow girl

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hat and a whole stir and a

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little like waistcoat and a little like

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waist coat and yeah. She got that

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memo. She got the memo. I'd rather

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go as a cat mom. You know,

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that's the kind of thing my mom

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would have done. You don't have to

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do that. You could do this. And

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I'm like, oh, okay. The invitation says

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we're going as girls. How old were

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you at this point? I reckon I

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was about nine. Okay. And she was

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about 15. Maybe. I think she's a

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year old. Yeah. What's going on here?

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Well, Alex got the memo. And he

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did, he's dressed up. And I like

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the person next to him. The commitment

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is incredible. I like the hunchback. Yep,

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they've really gone for that humpback. The

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hunchback of Notre Dame. What's going on

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with the legs? What's going on with

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the legs? What's going on with the

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legs? Well, what's going on with the

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legs? I mean, the main feature of

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a humpback is on your legs. I

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don't know what the lumpy legs are

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about, but it does add something. It

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definitely does. They've really committed to the

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posture. Again, you know, we probably wouldn't

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do the hunchback either, wasn't it? No,

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there's a lot of things we wouldn't

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do that we did in the 80s.

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I mean, it was a different time,

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as Alex has pointed out. I had

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my dress up out if it was

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a gypsy. I don't think you can

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do that either. I had a little

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ball, a crystal ball. Wow, yeah, what

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else I had a little scarf around

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my head. Yeah, a little kachif. Yeah,

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yeah, bandana and What I wanted was

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the most important thing the only reason

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I was a gypsy was because I

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wanted to wear an earring Okay, and

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my brother was a pirate so it

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wasn't allowed to be a pirate so

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I was like well I want to

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wear an earring mmm because my mom

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had this clip on earring right right

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okay well you can be a gypsy

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and so I was a gypsy I've

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got lots of pictures of me in

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various different I'd like to see those

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pictures yeah can we get one of

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the Queen Silver Jubilee street party as

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a gypsy as a gypsy so you

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really went with it as it was

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your basic go-go-go-to-to-get-go-to-to like what you're going

6:53

to get dressed up get dressed up

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to get dressed up as Jen gypsy-d

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dress up as Jen gypsy what you

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get a dress up a dress up

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a gypsy well it it it it

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it it it works it it it

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it it it it it it it

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it it works for me it it

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works for me it works for me

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it it it it works for me

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it works for me it it it

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it it it works for me it

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it works for me it it it

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it works for me it I mean

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actually I think it probably I wouldn't

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now I wouldn't actually no I'm glad

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to hear it actually can you imagine

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if you just rocked it up to

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a party in your full gypsy I'll

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be like what's happening what is happening

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I don't I don't know but it

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was there was a different time and

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also Now we're really going for it.

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I've just remembered I went to a

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school for eight as an el-gwin. And

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my mum dressed me up as a

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knell-gwin and I had a basket of

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oranges. And no one knew who nail-gwin

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was. And my friend, my friend went

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as like, Debbie Harry. And I'm like,

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again, you look sexy. Mel-gwin was a

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monarch's like mistress. She was like a

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sex worker of a king. And she

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sold oranges and... A bit more. Yeah,

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she did a bit of extra on

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the side. She did a bit of

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extra. And I was about like eight

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and I went as now going to

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the school. I know, you mean you

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basically. And my friend Tara Higgs went

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as a bag of oranges. Fruit drops

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and it was brilliant. She had all

8:24

these multi-coloured balloons inside a see-through plastic

8:26

bag. Yeah, a nightmare, but it was

8:28

a different time. Yeah, different time. But

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everyone was all day, who are you?

8:33

Yeah, but now Quinn, and then explain

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why you don't know why. Your mind

8:37

probably went. She's a feminist icon. Because

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she made her way in society, she

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did what she could, and she sold

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weight on the duty. Yeah, Debbie Harry

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would have been better. Yeah, yeah. My

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friend Emma had a lovely little sparkly

8:50

dress on. What were you wearing? Like

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a... Sort of smock. I used to

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dress up a lot. Me and my

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mate Sally. We used to do a

8:59

lot of dressing up. Well, well after

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we were too old to do it.

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We used to get like sheets out

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and put doilies on our heads. Why?

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Fun. Really love dressing up. Love being

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Victorian ladies. Oh, is that what the

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the doily was? Yeah, doily on the

9:14

head, Victorian lady, and then like loads

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of sheets and then... My mumma had

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loads of fabric. She had loads of

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sheets and then. Justing up, it's fun.

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Yeah, so much fun. I had a,

9:25

what are they called, those, the guards

9:27

that guard bucking in your palace have

9:30

got the big hat. Beeters. Are they

9:32

not really features? Yeah, soldiers. Yeah, that's

9:34

what they're called. They're called soldiers. But

9:36

you know the ones are passed out

9:38

when it's hot and they have those

9:40

big hats. I had that outfit? What?

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Oh my god, wasn't it? Where did

9:45

you get that? This is pre-basos? Where

9:47

are you getting that? I don't know.

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From Argos probably. You made it, you

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made it. Did not make it. No.

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It was very synthetic and also the

9:56

hat would collapse. All right. So it

9:58

was sort of like fall in front

10:00

of my face like that. And in

10:02

fact often would just cover my entire

10:04

face. You had to prop it up

10:07

and just hope that the wind wouldn't

10:09

blow and... Very, you know, a premonition

10:11

of your future. Very, yes, exactly. But

10:13

if you look at the pictures, I

10:15

creep myself up. There's something weird about

10:17

clowns. I don't care even if it's

10:20

you. It's like, what? You went full

10:22

clown? Full clown, yeah. With a rough,

10:24

rough, round the neck, hat, no wig.

10:26

Make-up. Loads. Yeah, but my mom's makeup.

10:28

So I always had that kind of

10:31

weird sort of 80s. Sheen, you know,

10:33

like her blusher, like, like her blusher,

10:35

like, like, like, like, like, like, that

10:37

was massive in the eight Piero that

10:39

was like a clown wasn't it with

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the teardrop yes that was huge yes

10:44

that was everywhere yes yes that and

10:46

also what about that since the 80s

10:48

What was it Piero? Piero? Piero? Piero?

10:50

Poiro? No, Piero with you. Agatha accuracy?

10:52

Person, person, that's Piero. Piero? I'm going

10:55

to Google it. I know exactly it's

10:57

got the triangular hat. And the tear-face

10:59

and the teardrop? Kind of. French? Go

11:01

on, sorry, tell, finish your clown. No,

11:03

that's it. That's it. That's the end

11:05

of that. You didn't have big shoes.

11:08

Don Greece, big trousers. No big big,

11:10

big, yeah the whole outfit like a

11:12

jumpsuit, yeah. I have a yellow, yellow

11:14

leg, red leg, green arms, blue arms.

11:16

As a look. What do you mean?

11:19

Because you're a clown now. I'm not

11:21

going to be walking on stage dressed

11:23

up, why don't you? Because I don't

11:25

be walking on stage dressed up, why

11:27

don't you? Because I don't have a

11:29

backstory with, no, yeah, yeah. Anyway, well

11:32

done Alex, you really do look amazing.

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I love that photograph and also there

11:36

is a fact in the mouth as

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well. There's a commitment and there's a

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joy there. But it's, you know, it

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was in Corfu, no one knew who

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Hilda Ogden was. So it's unfortunate, had

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that been in Butlin's mindhead, Alex would

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have won my lovely because you look

11:51

a stunner, I'm going to say. Absolutely.

11:53

It's a real cigarette or just a

11:56

sweet one. The 80s could well have

11:58

been a real cigarette actually. Yeah. and

12:00

I visited him and we were accosted

12:02

by a man with parrots. I remember

12:04

him asking if it was my, if

12:07

I was my dad's girlfriend, oh yeah,

12:09

oh my god, it was probably a

12:11

joke, a perilous one, given his social

12:13

life to be honest. Yes, I know

12:15

that people, I've heard of that, people.

12:17

and asked if they're their dads. That's

12:20

gross. Yeah, that is absolutely disgusting. But

12:22

that again was a different time, Kerry.

12:24

It was a different time. Yeah. Do

12:26

you remember when like it was really

12:28

normal to sexualize schoolgirls? Yeah, that was

12:30

that was okay. And I think Brittany

12:33

Spears helped. I don't think Benny Hill

12:35

helped to be honest. I wasn't allowed

12:37

to watch Benny Hill, we've covered that.

12:39

Yeah, I wasn't either. Some Trinians as

12:41

well. My mum was like no watching

12:44

that. Oh, we were allowed to watch

12:46

carry- Oh, we were allowed to watch

12:48

carry-on films. You never watched a carry-on

12:50

film? We're out now. Oh my God,

12:52

that was the quintessential time of our

12:54

lives, was watching carry-on. Wow! Your mom

12:57

was proper man. She was like, why.

12:59

I like ferns parrots. I mean that

13:01

was also a different time where people

13:03

would have a parrots that they probably

13:05

shouldn't have. Oh yeah and they're big

13:08

and that one on the dad's massive

13:10

and then you would have a picture

13:12

with that said. But I do remember

13:14

that a little bit at markets we

13:16

went to brick lane the other week

13:18

and Ben went you remember? when we

13:21

came here a while back, not that

13:23

long ago, just maybe pre-covid, and there

13:25

was a bloke selling puppies off the

13:27

out of a bike. What? Yeah, markets

13:29

have always like an shifty animals. That

13:32

doesn't feel right. No, I remember the

13:34

time we were like, oh look at

13:36

the puppies, some of them were not

13:38

puppies, they were just small dogs. I've

13:40

got a picture of me with a

13:42

bloke at a market. No, I wouldn't.

13:45

I don't think you'd get your Kennel

13:47

Club certificate with it. I don't think

13:49

so. Don't you have to have a

13:51

licence or something? Was that or did

13:53

I make that up? Have you bought

13:56

animals from a market? Sorry, would you

13:58

go to say that then? No. I've

14:00

never bought an animal from a market.

14:02

I mean, I think a friend of

14:04

mine at school bought a tortoise street.

14:06

What's that group? today said if you

14:09

found more so and I've lost my

14:11

daughter so if anyone says my daughter

14:13

they don't move far No, but they

14:15

just turned up, won't they? They go

14:17

for a little walk. Where? We just

14:20

let it out on the street and

14:22

go, oh, back at, be back at

14:24

five. That's your curfew. But maybe it

14:26

goes a few gardens along. So the

14:28

street, what's that was like, if you

14:30

see my tortoise, can you let me

14:33

know? They weren't worried then. Yeah, I

14:35

think they were a bit worried. Yeah,

14:37

sad. A poosal weid. But not much.

14:39

She just sort of... No. I mean,

14:41

that's not what they're for. What are

14:43

they for then? What are they for?

14:46

They're just little creatures, aren't they? Yeah.

14:48

She'll hang out with a little creature.

14:50

They're amazing looking. Earwigs, as well. They're

14:52

dinosaurs. I are dinosaurs. But still, no,

14:54

I didn't ever have one of those.

14:57

I think if I had wanted a

14:59

pet at that age, it would have

15:01

been a hedgehog. I remember bringing a

15:03

mangy hedgehog home one day. that I

15:05

found by the side of the road.

15:07

They always had ticks. And my mom

15:10

was like, get it out, get it

15:12

out of the house! I was like,

15:14

it's half dead. Please give it to

15:16

her home, mommy. We were always bringing

15:18

half dead animals into the house. Because

15:21

all the books we were reading were

15:23

talking animals. So we were like, right.

15:25

All the animals are farthing woods. The

15:27

wind in the willows. Charlotte's web. Charlotte's

15:29

winded than willows. Oh, fantastic Mr Fox.

15:31

Peter Rabbit. Loads of talking animals. Yeah.

15:34

So I'm like, what's wrong with this

15:36

hedgehog? Yeah. Let's help this hedgehog. Did

15:38

you ever go to Petticoat Lane Market?

15:40

Yes, I did go to Petticoat Lane

15:42

Market, but we didn't go often because

15:45

I didn't live that way. I didn't

15:47

even live anywhere near that way. But

15:49

we went to Petticoat Lane, we went

15:51

to Portabella Market, we went to... Petticoat

15:53

Lane was more like, I seem to

15:55

remember people got leather jackets there. Yeah,

15:58

it was cloth. like material yeah I

16:00

mean I went there more when I

16:02

was older right but yeah I think

16:04

I love a market yeah you do

16:06

love a market I do love a

16:09

market you love a market and you

16:11

love a lane full of little shops

16:13

yeah you say to you say to

16:15

me I don't like shopping I think

16:17

I think you do I don't like

16:19

sort of chain shopping high street shopping

16:22

I like like little rummage in yeah

16:24

like places just one-offs yeah I went

16:26

to bricklay market as I just said

16:28

the other day. They are full on

16:30

though, aren't they markets? London markets. I

16:33

don't actually enjoy a market particularly. Do

16:35

you ever work on one? I used

16:37

to work on a market. No. I

16:39

used to work in Common Garden on

16:41

a leather store. Do you know what?

16:43

I might have seen you there because

16:46

I was at Covent Garden almost every

16:48

Saturday. Every Saturday. I hated it. So

16:50

boring. Cold, really, really, really cold. Used

16:52

to get there really early in the

16:54

morning when they were setting up the

16:56

stalls. And it was hard work. You're

16:59

sitting outdoors all day in the bitter

17:01

cold. But one day I was sitting

17:03

on this stall and there was his

17:05

bloat dressed as a massive rabbit. And

17:08

he was kind of giving out

17:10

leaflets or street performing or something.

17:12

And then he had like huge

17:14

big gauze black eyes. And then

17:16

he caught my eye through his

17:18

big gauze black eyes. And I

17:21

caught his and we sort of

17:23

like looked at each other and

17:25

I cocked my head and was

17:27

like, all right. And I thought,

17:29

well, I'm floating with a massive

17:31

rabbit. Anyway, then he kind of

17:33

started walking toward me. And he

17:35

then walked off. Well, who was

17:37

it? Well, for a long time,

17:39

I chased after him, I couldn't

17:42

leave the stall. Hello, Kerry Godleyman.

17:44

Yeah. And I was like, who

17:46

are you? Come back. No, don't

17:48

do that. No, it's not funny.

17:50

Come back. And he went, he

17:52

waved and went off. Yeah. And

17:54

I was like, oh, this is

17:56

mad. Then I got my lunch

17:58

break. My boss came back to

18:00

give me my lunch break. And

18:03

I've got to go and find

18:05

this rabbit. And he's lost her.

18:07

running around Covent Garden trying to

18:09

find this rabbit. Obviously, you know,

18:11

getting a little bit... I'm like,

18:13

I can't, I'll find him, he's

18:15

wondering, never found him. You never

18:17

found him? No, and for weeks

18:19

and weeks afterwards I was sort

18:21

of telling everyone about, oh my

18:24

God, you won't, but you don't

18:26

know anyone that was doing this,

18:28

were like, like dressed as a

18:30

rabbit, Covent Garden Saturday, last Saturday,

18:32

just giving out leaflets, anyone, and...

18:34

I was sitting on the wall

18:36

outside youth theatre and one of

18:38

the kids in my youth theatre,

18:40

Sean, he came over and he

18:42

went, hello Kerry God, imagine. Oh!

18:45

That's not funny! Oh my god,

18:47

that would have really, really, really

18:49

kissed me off, yeah. Well it's

18:51

a horrible joke. Yeah, I'm not

18:53

on his side. No. I'm team

18:55

caring for this one. He thought

18:57

it was hilarious. Well he probably

18:59

still does. Even to this day,

19:01

that's probably one of his favourite

19:03

anecdotes. And then, you can believe

19:06

this, months later, I thought to

19:08

her, I don't know, I can't

19:10

remember me, she loses her mind,

19:12

I'll ever laugh. Anyway, that's one

19:14

of my standout market anecdotes. That's

19:16

actually, that is, that's top draw.

19:18

Yeah. I don't have any such

19:20

anecdote because I used to work

19:22

in things like kitchens and factories.

19:24

They weren't rabbits. I was

19:27

just going to tell you that and

19:29

I had to make things like I

19:31

had to give people cakes and stuff.

19:33

You should be on bakeoff. No. I

19:35

didn't make the cakes. You just sold

19:37

them. I sold them. But you've got

19:39

like experience with cakes. I've got experience

19:42

with cakes. I've held a cake. I've

19:44

looked at a cake. I've sold a

19:46

cake. I've sold a cake. Did you

19:48

eat quite a few cakes? Although you

19:50

didn't get any cakes for you had

19:52

to buy them. But you got a

19:54

discount. My point is. Every now and

19:56

again, they would get an order for

19:58

a really big cake. Yes. Like it'd

20:01

be like, so, and there's a pass.

20:03

like a birthday cake celebration. And then,

20:05

and so they would, you know, go

20:07

to, so this place, although it was

20:09

a patissary, they didn't make anything there,

20:11

they ordered everything in. Right, right. So

20:13

on this occasion, there was a 22

20:15

inch or 26 inch, like, fucking huge.

20:18

Like, I'm holding it like this, like,

20:20

my arms are far apart, by the

20:22

way. It's massive. Yeah. Okay, so they're

20:24

like, can you take it upstairs, and

20:26

then when they come to get it,

20:28

well, well, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

20:30

oh, oh, oh, oh, you can go,

20:32

you can go, you can go get

20:35

it, you can go get it, The

20:37

cake is upstairs and at one point

20:39

my boss goes Jen can you go

20:41

there? I'm gonna go and deliver the

20:43

cake now this humongous cake for this

20:45

big event that's happening today I said

20:47

no problem. I went upstairs to get

20:49

the cake I grabbed the cake I'm

20:51

holding it I'm coming down the stairs

20:54

and then I sort of hit the

20:56

step in the wrong place and I

20:58

and I and I and I and

21:00

I and I managed to get my

21:02

balance back but what's happened is I've

21:04

lent quite far forward my hands have

21:06

dropped and the cake As I'm trying

21:08

to rebalance myself, I've actually given it

21:11

momentum and the cake has slid off

21:13

the cake thing and landed the entirety

21:15

of the cake onto the stairs and

21:17

then I'm staring at this cake. And

21:19

this is a big cake. A big

21:21

cake. A big cake. This is as

21:23

big as a cake is a big

21:25

cake. So you're going to have to

21:28

quit that job. That's over now. They

21:30

didn't fire me. But I fired you.

21:32

Would you? Five? Yeah, 100% I just

21:34

can't bear it when you've got incompetent

21:36

Saturday stuff. Be like, oh, fuck off.

21:38

I'll get another one. There's loads of

21:40

them. I'd been there for about two

21:42

years at this point. Oh, right. So

21:44

you were quite key and they had

21:47

a relationship with you. Okay, I take

21:49

it back. But honestly, how did you

21:51

get out of that? I didn't. How

21:53

do you get out of that? You

21:55

don't get out of it. You just

21:57

have to say that cake. Take out

21:59

of your wages. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:01

Take it out my wages and then

22:04

they took that one out of my

22:06

wages and then I had to pay

22:08

for the next one as well. Oh

22:10

my God, Jen. Yeah. Do you find...

22:12

cake's quite triggering now. So now I

22:14

don't like to be near cakes. In

22:16

fact I don't like... There was a

22:18

cake at your 50th recently. Yeah. Now

22:21

I know your backstory with cake. I

22:23

didn't have the size of it. Did

22:25

you notice that? I know she didn't

22:27

go near it. I didn't look at

22:29

it. No, I didn't even see it.

22:31

But what was it? It was just

22:33

a little cake with 50 on it.

22:35

I still think about that. When you're...

22:37

Yeah, I must have been like 18,

22:40

1718. That's mortifying. And just knowing, and

22:42

just knowing that it was like, how

22:44

are they gonna, but we, they managed

22:46

to drum up another cake in time

22:48

for this, this event. Right. But it

22:50

was wild. Yeah, that's so stressful. And

22:52

also, my boss, she was quite highly

22:54

strong anyway. Right. So she wasn't one

22:57

of those people that goes, okay, Jen.

22:59

Okay, Jen, that's right. Well, I can

23:01

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23:05

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23:07

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MintMobile.com. What's happening with Vicky? All right,

24:37

let's go. So my photos from the

24:39

day I had my school photo, H6.

24:42

Oh my God, school photos. They're not

24:44

much better now. I'm going to say,

24:46

my kids are going to have a

24:48

school photo. They're still horrendous. But do

24:51

you remember the way the way the

24:53

way the way the photographer would make

24:55

you would make you sit? if you

24:57

had to have your solar. And the

25:00

lighting's off and also. The backdrop. Your

25:02

hand on top of another hand. Or,

25:04

I've got one with one hand on

25:06

the table and another hand with my

25:09

chin resting on my hand. Yeah. Looking

25:11

like, I'm like, I don't know what

25:13

I'm doing, like I'm a published author.

25:15

Yeah, like, hello and welcome to Panorama.

25:18

Chen is in London with her partner

25:20

and two children. This is a fourth

25:22

novel. Yeah. Except time seven. Why do

25:24

we still do this? Because we've all

25:27

got a smartphone so we don't need

25:29

a photographer to come into the school

25:31

and take pictures of our children anymore.

25:33

I don't need any more pictures of

25:36

my children. No. Like I don't need

25:38

the travel on the radio because I've

25:40

got a satnaph. So I don't need

25:42

the radio to tell me. Now over

25:45

to the travel. Don't need that now.

25:47

Don't need you to do the weather

25:49

either got a smartphone. Yeah. Everyone has.

25:51

I've got a window. But this picture

25:54

that Vicky's got. Vicky's got. What's

25:57

the word? Well basically she's... Well,

25:59

she's had knits, so her mom

26:02

cut her hair short or rather

26:04

hacked it off with a knife.

26:07

It's not from a pair of

26:09

scissors. It's from a knife that

26:11

her mom cut a hair with

26:14

a knife with a knife. And

26:16

the smile is because I was

26:18

back at my wonderful primary school.

26:21

That is... Well, knits was, and

26:23

it was and still is. I

26:26

don't think you can cut knits

26:28

out with a knife. Yeah you're

26:30

still going to have knits. You're

26:33

still going to have knits because

26:35

they're right, the eggs are in

26:38

the roots. Yeah. I mean you've

26:40

got less hair to comb it

26:42

out from which I totally get.

26:45

I think it looks quite cute.

26:47

I think she looks cute. She's

26:49

got a beok, a little beok

26:52

look, a little micro thing. She's

26:54

got like a little pixie hair

26:57

hair cut. In fact if her

26:59

mom did do it with a

27:01

knife, I'm going to say primary

27:04

school. I like bits of it.

27:06

Some of it I liked, some

27:08

of it I didn't like. It's

27:11

choppy waters in its secondary. But

27:13

primary, great times. Great times in

27:16

primary. Best time was the disco.

27:18

Love the discos. What discos? We

27:20

had school discos. What's you mean?

27:23

Yeah. We'd have like slow dances.

27:25

We'd have like slow dances. And

27:28

then the boys would breakdance. Oh

27:30

my god would do the caterpillar

27:32

and we'd all stand around him.

27:35

And then there were slow dances.

27:37

So we wouldn't want to do

27:39

that. Move closer. Move your body

27:42

real close. Your 10! You're 10,

27:44

Kerry! Can we jump on and

27:47

go straight to Sarah Hines? Right.

27:49

Because I've never seen anything like

27:51

it. And I can't take my

27:54

eyes off it. This particular photograph...

27:56

quite I wouldn't say obsessing but

27:58

it's a little disturbing. She says

28:01

she's this is her age five

28:03

I'm modeling a paper mache mask

28:06

I made at kindergarten other kids

28:08

made animals like koas and I

28:10

chose to create a fashionable woman

28:13

with cool hair and fab accessories.

28:15

I think it's especially creepy if

28:18

you zoom in and see my

28:20

little eyes peeping through the holes.

28:22

I had an eye for style

28:25

even back then. No you didn't

28:27

Sarah. No you didn't. Sarah. I

28:29

love that you wanted to create

28:32

a fashionable woman. And I don't,

28:34

what I want to know is

28:37

who you've modeled yourself on, a

28:39

woman with not quite enough hair.

28:41

and the creepiest thing. What is

28:44

the smile I think? The smile

28:46

and she's right, there's something haunting

28:48

about the child's eyes in the

28:51

mask. Master creepy anyway, but this

28:53

one I'd say in creepiness is

28:56

a solid ten. What was the...

28:58

Oh God, okay, right, just... The

29:00

hair, the earrings, the butt. Have

29:03

you seen the substance? No, I

29:05

haven't. Jesus. Right, well, at the

29:08

end when it all goes utterly

29:10

to shit for Demi Moore. Yeah.

29:12

She looks a bit like a

29:15

bit like that. Oh

29:18

my god, it's just... But she's

29:20

got earrings. Yeah, that's... well, she's

29:23

got earrings in the substance. She

29:25

pops a little earring on. She's

29:27

got a lovely pair of earrings.

29:29

A cock-tish smile, two little blue

29:31

bows. What was that parrot measure?

29:33

Frank's side bottom. Frank's side bottom.

29:35

She looks like... Don't like Aunt

29:37

Linda. You had a madot left

29:39

accent. He never took his mask

29:42

off. You never know who's inside.

29:44

I love that picture. I think

29:46

it is... Isn't it like when

29:48

my kids... I don't know if

29:50

your kids have ever done a

29:52

portrait of you. Does that ever

29:54

happen? And they go, yeah. And

29:56

you're like, holy, wow, okay. But

29:59

you have to say, it's beautiful.

30:01

Yeah, because they're looks gorgeous. Exactly.

30:03

That's what we you're expecting. I

30:05

wasn't expecting much, but I was

30:07

expecting to look like a human

30:09

being. Yeah. Have you done much?

30:11

Papi and Machi? Have you done

30:13

much? Papi and Machi. Which is

30:15

what? Papi and Machi. But mache

30:18

100%? Paper mache. What is that,

30:20

mashed up paper? I mean, I

30:22

don't, I've never really thought about

30:24

it. Now I'm... Have you ever

30:26

made paper mache? Yes, I made

30:28

a little character when I did

30:30

a puppetry course. What? What? What?

30:32

What? What? What? What? What? What?

30:35

You did a puppetry course? Yeah,

30:37

and it was, it was basically

30:39

a head. You all got into

30:41

Paris and do a cock with

30:43

me and you did a puppetry

30:45

course. I did. And actually, his

30:47

voice was like that. Oh, right,

30:49

right, side, Bob. Yeah. And that's

30:51

how he would walk around like

30:54

that. So you can't see that

30:56

this is not a visual medium,

30:58

but there we go. Yes, I

31:00

mean, I wish I still had

31:02

that and he was very popular.

31:04

I wish you still had that.

31:06

Then you wouldn't need anyone to

31:08

warm up for you. You could

31:11

just warm up for yourself as

31:13

your little character. Kerry, I want

31:15

you to know there was quite

31:17

a long period of time where

31:19

I thought I was going to

31:21

go into puppetry. Yeah. I thought

31:23

I knew a puppeteer once. It's

31:25

a job. I know it's a

31:27

job. I know it's a job.

31:30

I'd say warhorse they're doing it.

31:32

Look, do I want to do

31:34

it now? No, I don't really.

31:36

You surprise me. I don't see

31:38

a future. It's never come up,

31:40

has it? You've never mentioned it.

31:42

It's never come up, has it?

31:44

You've never come up, has it?

31:47

You've never asked me that. Now

31:49

that you've asked me. It can

31:51

come out. I can come out,

31:53

and I can come out, and

31:55

I can... I can tell you

31:57

about my past as a potential

31:59

puppeteer and what I would have

32:01

done. I would have toured the

32:04

world. Yeah, you'd have toured the

32:06

world. I'd have toured the world

32:08

with this character whose name I've

32:10

forgotten now, but let's call him

32:12

Georgie. And we would have gone

32:14

around the world. Just two fingers in

32:16

the head. And who knows where that

32:18

would have taken me? Paris? Paris? Milan?

32:21

New York, Manhattan, Broadway. Oh Broadway, that

32:23

would have been next. Yeah. And I

32:25

do think about, it's a sliding door,

32:27

sliding door, a sliding door, actually. I

32:29

mean, I really, really, really wish I

32:31

could meet that, Jen. Do you know

32:34

what? I would be open to creating

32:36

this little car- do you know who

32:38

will know? My friend Jude will know

32:40

the name of this character because

32:42

we did puppetry together. And is

32:44

this whilst you were at uni?

32:47

Yeah, right. It was like a

32:49

unit. It was like a unit. It

32:51

was a course, yeah, you could

32:53

pick it as a tiering unit.

32:55

Yeah, for this semester, I'm doing

32:57

puppetry. Oh yeah, but then I

33:00

did comedy the next. And then

33:02

you were like that. And I

33:04

was like, no, I'm dicting puppetry,

33:06

I'm doing comedy. But sliding doors,

33:08

had I never done the comedy

33:10

course, I could have been wedged

33:12

into puppetry. And I, you know,

33:14

like I said, I could have

33:16

been a world, an internationally renowned

33:19

puppeteer that is, you know. Well,

33:21

that's what international means, isn't

33:23

it? It

33:26

involves the world. Yeah, that's true.

33:28

Lauded and applauded, yeah. I just

33:30

can't imagine it. Well, that you

33:33

haven't got an imagination. You need to

33:35

dig deeper. There's a lot of

33:37

people listening to this that going,

33:39

I can totally see that. Kerry,

33:41

did you enjoy looking at those

33:43

photos? I tell you what he's really

33:45

shared me of, is that everyone has

33:48

got some pretty good... This is what

33:50

I like about this podcast, is it

33:52

sort of, you know, their little

33:54

portals, aren't they to... funny little memories.

33:56

And I love that everyone's pictures

33:58

are basically sepia. Yeah, yeah,

34:01

a lot of

34:03

our listeners are

34:05

our age. The

34:08

color is literally

34:10

drained out of

34:12

every photograph and

34:14

that for me, that warms

34:17

my heart. I'm Kim above and I

34:19

have a new podcast. It's called Iceberg's

34:21

and it's about the endless journey to

34:23

find ourselves and find out what it

34:26

really means to have self-acceptance and self-love.

34:28

I'll be exploring the inner landscapes of

34:30

some of my favorite people. Oh, I

34:33

don't like being self-aware! and asking them

34:35

about who they are, how they got

34:37

that way, and how they feel about

34:39

it. Is that subjective what I do

34:42

on stage? I am objectively not funny

34:44

off stage. A bit of their present?

34:46

I didn't know that I was ugly

34:49

until I was like 16 and record

34:51

executives told me it. A bit of

34:53

their past? I need more time being

34:55

alone than I thought. and how they

34:58

navigate all that stuff. That's definitely something

35:00

I think my therapist would have an

35:02

opinion on. The thing about icebergs is

35:05

only 10% of them is above the

35:07

surface. 90% we can't even fathom and

35:09

I think people are a lot like

35:12

that. And if they're not, then that's

35:14

a really dumb name for a podcast.