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I I just finished a a more
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than one month trip to America. to
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America, always interesting
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to be back to make
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observations. make observations. I grew up
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in the Washington, DC area. DC
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area, 15 miles from Washington,
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D .C. DC.
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visited that area again. that area
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And I gotta tell I gotta absolutely
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amazing. absolutely unfettered.
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unfettered government
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spending, welfare. can
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do to an area. If a if
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a government has an
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unlimited checkbook. checkbook and spins
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and spins. spends and spends,
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live in that area. in that will
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think they are rich. they are rich.
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And and perhaps they end up having
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a lot more money. a lot more they
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otherwise would have had. would
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have That's a fact. a fact.
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But But it's disgusting. Because
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at the at the end of the
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day, all of us are driven. whether
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we we admit it or not.
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in the in the one life that we
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have so far. We are we
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are driven to create. We are we
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are driven to make. are not we
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are not only driven to take. a
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life of if you live a life
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of only taking. Man, I sound
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really heated already to start the new year. What
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the hell? I am heated. I am but
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if you are driven to only take. driven
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to only take. are you? are you?
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You're not the type of person that wants to listen
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to me. wants to listen
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look up to the up to the
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achievers. mentors have all been
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achievers. been achievers. Novel
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approaches to the markets, novel
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approaches to business. to business.
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Work hard, often
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Inspired. inspired. something
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great make something great happen.
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no guarantee you Now there's
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no guarantee you will be the next Elon
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Musk, obviously. but
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you still strive. strive. You
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push. push. When
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you go back to
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the Washington DC area,
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you can feel it.
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Millions of people on
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the dull, whether those
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people consider themselves rich
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or poor, they are
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all on the dull.
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They are all taking.
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They are all pretending.
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It makes me sick.
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Now I don't let
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it stay with me
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too long. I can't
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control it. This is.
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what America is. And
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sure, there's other countries
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that have crazy government
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spending and people bleed
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the system dry. America's
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not the only place.
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But I am American,
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and I observe this.
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I wish I saw
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something respectful, honest, that
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you can look up
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to, but I don't
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see that. Sure,
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you can listen to me and
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you can put your horse blinders
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on and you can pretend things
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I'm saying are not true and
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you can try to find some
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bullshit excuse to make yourself feel
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good because you just don't want
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to look at the truth. I
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get it. It's not dissimilar to
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the markets. It's not dissimilar to
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trend following. Because I do want
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to pivot away from talking about
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disgusting government overreach. But
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it doesn't make a difference
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what aspect of life you
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go into. There are scammers
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everywhere. There are people who
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want to take your money
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and give you nothing. Oh,
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maybe they'll give you hope.
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Maybe they'll give you a
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dream, a fantasy, something that
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you can hold on to.
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I'll never understand why people
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fall for this stuff, but
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I can see it in
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my world quite clearly. For
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those of you that don't
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know about my world, it's
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the trend following It's a
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particular style of trading. A
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style of trading that doesn't
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use the fundamentals, doesn't make
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predictions, doesn't know what's going
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to happen tomorrow. And I
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think this best represents a
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post that I put on
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X, late December 2024. My
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post was quite simple, but
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it's not so simple if
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you ponder if you ponder
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it. It says,
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unknown, unpredictable, unstable, unclear,
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uncertain, unfamiliar, unforeseen, unreliable,
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unsettled, uncharted, unverified. My
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last line? Just the
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expression, trend following. What
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do I mean? All
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of those terms are
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the truth. That's where
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we are. That's life.
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That's normal. Regardless of
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how many people whisper,
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sweet nothings into your
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ear on a daily
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basis, 24 and 7,
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to tell you they've
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got it figured out,
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and they can help
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you. They can't. That's
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what's so beautiful about
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the strategy of trend
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following. It handles all
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of those uns, those
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uncertainties, those uncertainties uncertainties.
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The uncharted, the unsettled.
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Trent following navigates it.
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Trent following is the
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colonial explorer on a
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wooden boat in the
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middle of the Pacific
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Ocean. Not sure what's
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going to happen. Unsure
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if you will survive.
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In many ways that
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is trend following. Now
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with a mathematical approach
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like trend following. You
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actually do worry about survival more than
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you worry about making money. The
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act of surviving is what
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it's all about. So unlike
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those great explorers that got
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on a wooden boat and
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sailed into the Pacific, many
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of whom never returned, Trent
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following is different. Trent following
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prepares you to return, so
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to speak. It prepares you
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to survive, and it puts
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you in a position when
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the unexpected happens, the unexpected
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good You're on the right
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side of the unexpected good.
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Does that mean you have
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had a good strategy to
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trade Bitcoin? Of course. The
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best strategy to trade something
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like Bitcoin. Also, the best
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strategy to trade something like
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gold or cocoa. Or damn
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it, any market. Because what
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trend following does so cleverly,
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it reduces all markets to
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a number. And
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that's the only data you analyze.
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So if you come to me
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and you say, Mike, I want
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to learn something from you, I'm
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going to teach you trend following.
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I'm not going to give you
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my opinion for that day. I'm
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not going to say something inane
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like, Elon Musk said this today,
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so therefore why did the market
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not move the direction of what
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he said? Look, Elon is a
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fantastic entrepreneur. But you
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can't look at the individual
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words of one person on
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any given day and make
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investing decisions or trading decisions
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and call yourself an investor
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or a trader. Because if
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you are looking at the
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words of any one person,
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their prediction, their insights for
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that particular day, and you
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think that's investing, you think
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that's trading, come on, you're
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fooling yourself, you're fucking fooling
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yourself. That's gambling. You're
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the old Blue hair at
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the North Vegas ancient hotel
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playing slots. You're not a
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serious person. Michael Saylor, the
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Bitcoin guru. He's made a
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bloody fortune. Up and down,
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up and down. I don't
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understand exactly what he is
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doing. I don't understand what
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his plan is. But do
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I have to understand his
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plan? Or can I just
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trade? Bitcoin is a trend
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following trader? Can I just
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trade his company micro strategy
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as a trend following trader?
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Yes. So instead of trying
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to tell yourself, I believe
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Michael Saylor, or I don't
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believe Michael Saylor, why not
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just follow the price? Now
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look, I'm not oblivious to
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the fact that if you
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make an early bet... And
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you go all in, and
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it turns out your way,
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you can make a bloody
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fortune. But is that investing
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or trading, or is that
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the lottery? What do you
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want? You only live one
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time. Right now, on this
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planet, there is one Michael
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Sailor. That's it. Two guys.
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Making stuff happen. Now Elon,
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he clearly has a more
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stable approach. Car business, space
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business, telecom business. Michael Saylor
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is all in on Bitcoin.
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And he could end up
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being 100% wrong. We have
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no idea. But we can
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only judge both of these
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men and their businesses via
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the price of the markets.
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They represent each day. We
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can trade. that price. So
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if you can't be sure
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of the fundamentals of these
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men or any other company
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or any other market, trend
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following gives you a way
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to not have to trust
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the fundamentals, trend following gives
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you a way to believe
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in the right now. What
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is happening right now? What
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can you do right now?
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And with a stop. aspect
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of this, to not being
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a colonial explorer in the
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middle of the Pacific, with
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no way to phone home.
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Trend following gives you a
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way to phone home. Phone
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home, meaning, take a loss,
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have a stop, protect yourself.
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Be around to play another
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day. If you can't play
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another day, you're out. You're
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on the sideline. You're on
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the sideline. You're taking fentanyl.
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You're taking fentanyl. You're a
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meth head head. You're up
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on that crazy street in
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Philadelphia where you're bent over
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backwards and shit's drooling out
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of your ears. No fun.
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But look, this is the
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world we live in right
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now. A world of non-stop
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information. Non-stop voices. I mean,
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in your ear, you've got
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your local brokers. You've got
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your hedge funds. And you
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have people like me. My
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goal is to share information.
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My goal is to share
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insights on a particular style
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and a particular lifestyle. Take
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it or leave it. Now
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the cool thing with my
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take it or leave it
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approach is you can verify
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it. Now if you call
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up your local broker and
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you want to know his
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given opinion on the video
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for any given day, he
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will tell you. He
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will have an opinion that
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much I guarantee you. What
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is his opinion for that
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given day rooted in? Absolutely
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nothing. Will he tell you
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that? Of course not. I
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hate that kind of style.
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I would never want to
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be in that world. It's
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especially strange for me when
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I see people that I
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care about in the middle
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of that world. Meaning
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they take advice, they get insights
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from people who they think have
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an expertise to guide them with
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their money. Now how the hell
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can anyone have an expertise when
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no one knows what the hell
12:44
is going to happen tomorrow? So
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the expertise is back to trend
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following. The expertise is to have
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a strategy that puts you in
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a position that when markets move
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and they move in a big
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way... You can be on board
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to ride those markets. And when
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markets crap out and go the
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opposite way that you want, you're
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protected. And you lose a limited
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amount of money so you can
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come back to play another day.
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I mean, if you lose two,
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five, ten percent, whatever of your
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money, and that's it, you've still
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got ninety percent. You can still
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play. You can still make up
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your losses, so to speak. Now
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that's not the goal, that's
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not how you approach it
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with trend following, but in
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actuality that's what does happen.
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You take the small losses
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and you wait for the
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unexpected big moves to pay
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for the losses and to
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give you your profit. Now
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I know what I say
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to the uninitiated probably sounds
13:53
damn good. It
13:55
probably sounds, man, I
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needed that reminder or...
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Wow, I've never heard
14:01
about that, that being
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trend following. Here's where
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it gets interesting for
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me, and I am
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a broken record when
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it comes to this,
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which is the proof,
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trust, but verify. So
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do you want to
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know if a particular
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trading strategy works? Where's
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the proof? Who has
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been doing it? Long
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before I appeared, long
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before the mentors that
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I have had. appeared.
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Where's the proof? Trend
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following is a trading
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strategy has unlimited proof.
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Traders, over the decades,
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not affiliated with each
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other, making money in
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the same markets with
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similar returns. The deviation
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in the returns often
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related to the leverage
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they choose. But bottom
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line, there is proof.
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And if you don't know, meaning
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you don't have a strategy, proof
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is the first place you
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start. Once you see the proof
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from the people that came before
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you, and this is what I
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do in my life as I
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share this proof, once you
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see the proof, you know that
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everything else is a scam. Why
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is everything else a scam? Because
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unless we're looking at... the Warren
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Buffets of the world, the
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Elons of the world, where you
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can see their track records, you
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can see their stock prices, the
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other people out there saying, I
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have this strategy, or I have
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that strategy. That could be fundamental
15:43
analysis, it could be some form
15:46
of technical analysis, some form of
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chart reading. The moment you ask
15:50
for, where is the proof for
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your strategy that came long before
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you? Like where are the other
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practitioners? that do what you say
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is so great. It's not even
16:02
about the person that claims
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to have the strategy. It's the
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other people that should have been
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using this strategy all along if
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it was so great going back
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decades. Let me give you a
16:17
hint. They never exist. It's always
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the one dude on X or
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Facebook. with the one strategy, with
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the loud voice, telling you how
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wonderful something is, without a shred
16:29
of freaking proof. Zero, none. Now
16:31
they might have some documented bullshit
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in the moment. But where are
16:36
all the other people, if this
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strategy was so great that they
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promote, where are all the other
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people who used it? Where are
16:45
all the other people who used
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it? Where are all the other
16:50
people who believe in it? Where
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are all the other people who
16:55
practice it? Now I know you
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can come back to me and
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you can say, Mike, what about
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trend following? Where is all
17:04
the proof and trend following? Ladies
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and gentlemen, eight books I've written.
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There's 1,200 plus podcast episodes. If
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you can't find the proof, you
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don't want to know about proof.
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You don't care about proof. You're
17:19
a degenerate gambler if you don't
17:21
want to know. And that's cool
17:23
man. We might have a great
17:26
time having dinner out one night.
17:28
We might laugh about this and
17:31
laugh about that. Now I probably
17:33
don't want anything to do with
17:35
you when it comes to business
17:38
or philosophy or working on a
17:40
project. But you might be a
17:43
fun individual if I don't have
17:45
to know anything about your life.
17:47
But what kind of life is
17:50
that? Who the hell wants to
17:52
have friends, family? Business associates. who
17:55
secretly are morons. I do sound
17:57
a today. Maybe it's my 35-day
17:59
trip to America. It leaves me
18:02
in that mood of just
18:04
seeing everything. Where are there places
18:06
in the world where you cannot
18:09
be pushed in front of a
18:11
train on the subway? Where are
18:13
there places in the world where
18:16
you cannot be shot up at
18:18
a New Year's Eve celebration in
18:21
New Orleans? Where are there places
18:23
in the world? where Tesla trucks
18:25
don't blow up in front of
18:28
Trump hotels. Those are good questions,
18:30
aren't they? And if you actually
18:33
sit down and write out the
18:35
answer, if you've got the balls
18:37
to write out the answer, and
18:40
you don't lie to yourself, then
18:42
you are on to something. You
18:45
know what that something is? Oh,
18:47
it's called the truth. So if
18:49
you can figure out where it's
18:52
impossible in this world to not
18:54
be pushed in front of a
18:57
subway train, If you
18:59
can figure out where that's
19:01
impossible to happen, then you've
19:03
learned something. Then you're going
19:05
down the rabbit hole. Then
19:07
you're pulling on the string.
19:09
Then you're really figuring out
19:11
how the world works. Tangent
19:13
over. The New Year is
19:15
upon us. I want everyone
19:17
to have trend following success.
19:19
Where would I recommend you
19:21
start for the New Year?
19:23
Four places. My fifth edition
19:25
of my book trend following.
19:27
My second edition of my
19:29
book, Turtle Trader. My second
19:31
podcast interview for free, online,
19:33
with Ed Secota. Again, my
19:35
second episode with Ed is
19:37
my favorite one. And lastly,
19:40
a video that I've prepared
19:42
that I will share with
19:44
anyone. If you want access
19:46
to that video. Drop me
19:48
an email, I'm easy to
19:50
find, Mike at COVID. And
19:52
if for some reason or
19:54
for some
19:56
reason you you
19:58
find it impossible
20:00
or you
20:02
can't figure out
20:04
how to
20:06
reach me, out how
20:08
to reach me, stop,
20:11
put down the technology. Something's
20:13
gone wrong. You're not
20:15
cut out for it. cut out
20:17
Simple Simple filter. Ladies and
20:19
gentlemen, I wish everybody a
20:21
very happy new year. very
20:23
happy new year. I wish and success
20:25
health a little wealth over
20:27
the course of this
20:29
year. of this year. as you
20:32
prepare for the unexpected, as
20:34
you prepare for the
20:36
unknown, the uncertain, as
20:38
you you ready? Are you really ready?
20:40
the Do you really have a strategy?
20:43
are if you don't,
20:45
I can help. really See
20:47
you again next week.
20:49
really have a strategy? Because if you don't,
20:51
I can a time when
20:54
those awake will understand
20:56
how to make money
20:58
in up, down surprise
21:00
markets. Whether new Whether new
21:02
trader or experienced, college
21:04
student or financial advisor, protecting
21:06
against a crash a just
21:08
trying to make a
21:11
lot of money, make a lot of
21:13
filing offers everyone an
21:15
answer in uncertain times. uncertain times.
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To get started immediately, send
21:19
me an send me an email, Michael at Covel. I
21:21
I will send you the right
21:24
trend filing steps to take to
21:26
with my free video. free video. But if you
21:28
if you want to buy and
21:30
hold, trust the government
21:32
and trust Wall Street. Wall This
21:34
is absolutely not for you. for you.
21:45
you.
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