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2:02

so we've been on our break. We're on

2:05

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2:07

I started, I forgot to do this last

2:09

episode, but I've been taking, I

2:11

made a whole notes list of the happenings that

2:13

happened with me during our hiatus. And now that

2:15

we're back, I wanted to fill you in on

2:17

those. Oh my God, I'm so excited. Okay, yeah.

2:20

So you know that coffee bean where you broke

2:22

up with your high school boyfriend? Of

2:25

course, the one in Encino, in Ventura. Yeah, yeah,

2:27

I drove, I drove by it three times in

2:29

one week. Additionally,

2:35

I tried a new bagel spot called

2:37

Bagel Boss, hated it, went there two

2:39

more times after that. That's, I think,

2:41

my mom's favorite place. I

2:43

got, okay, so I'm a snorer and we

2:45

knew it was an issue when I was

2:47

snoring and Cameron said, because I usually tell

2:49

him on my back and so he'll shove

2:51

me and so then I'm on my stomach

2:53

to stop snoring and then three seconds after

2:56

was on my stomach continued to snore. So

2:58

he said, we have an issue. Um,

3:01

so there's a meeting in one of your

3:03

quarterly meetings. Correct. One of our quarterly meetings.

3:06

Uh -huh. You know, we had our, I

3:08

was taking the notes. Um, there's magnets you

3:10

put on the outside of your nose and

3:12

then this strip. So it like opens your

3:14

airways. Um, so you don't snore anymore. Um,

3:17

we're, uh, we're still fine tuning that,

3:19

but we're in the process of, um,

3:22

using magnets to stop storing. Next

3:27

item next item. I

3:30

had a celebrity sighting

3:32

Kate Mara at St.

3:35

That's st. Coffee shop. She was on her

3:37

phone in front of the trash can and

3:39

I just went excuse me and I had

3:41

to you know, drop my my trash in

3:43

the trash can that she was blocking didn't

3:45

move didn't look up from her phone, but

3:48

saw her She's no Jeff probes. She's no

3:50

Jeff probes and I got cargo pants. That's

3:54

That you missed on Glee. I

3:59

can't believe it. I

4:01

have a similar update.

4:03

Oh, please, please, please.

4:05

Well, I drove by a Starbucks that

4:07

I don't know if you've ever been

4:10

to. I drove by it every day

4:12

because that's close because it's close to

4:14

my house. Okay, yep, yep, yep. No

4:17

major life events took place in there

4:19

though, just a normal Starbucks. No, just

4:21

my kids. I also stopped, I mean,

4:23

I did continue, I've stopped getting out

4:25

of the car to pretend to get

4:27

quote, unquote, Starbucks bars for my kids.

4:29

Okay. Now we just drive to that

4:31

Starbucks and I take out the bars

4:33

that I've previously purchased from Costco that

4:36

they call Starbucks bars. Good. And I

4:38

say we got them delivered to the

4:40

car and I just give them to

4:42

them. It's an insane thing.

4:44

Oh, that's good. But that development is good. I

4:46

no longer have to pretend to get out of

4:48

the car. Great. Okay, this isn't something that actually

4:50

happened during the break, but it just reminded me

4:52

of this. One time I went out to dinner.

4:54

This was a few months ago. Went out to

4:56

dinner and saw Chris Pine at a restaurant. And

4:59

he Kate Marahoo. Chris Pine. Marahoo.

5:02

Okay, go. And he sent back his

5:04

pasta because it was too al dente.

5:08

A little crunchy. A little

5:10

crunchy, which I was like... with

5:12

your weak teeth, Chris, fine. What

5:14

do you mean, too authentic? Oh

5:17

my God. think someone else made

5:19

that joke about his weak teeth.

5:21

So there was that. Okay. And

5:24

I got two pairs of pants.

5:26

I actually took them from a

5:28

job from Zara, Europe. So

5:31

they fit me different and they

5:33

fit me. That's where my cargo

5:36

pants are from. Really? From Zara.

5:40

Wow Brock, we're so in

5:42

sync. We're so even I

5:44

hate to I hate to

5:46

tell the listeners. We're so

5:49

trendy I'm so glad to

5:51

be coming home to you

5:53

and I'm so glad to

5:55

be recapping Homecoming episode 202

5:58

This is These transitions

6:00

just get more insane as the show

6:02

progresses. As they should. As they should.

6:04

And we have, we're

6:06

in the time machine. We just finished our

6:08

interview with our guest. His name's Werner Wallien.

6:11

He's our line producer and you're going to

6:13

get a peek behind the curtain. I'm so

6:15

excited. He's fantastic. I'm so excited

6:17

for you all to hear all that and

6:19

so much more. So Brock, let's

6:22

get to middling. Welcome

6:39

to middling with Eden and Brock where

6:41

Eden and I break down an episode

6:43

of the middle each and every week.

6:45

Have you watched your Nightcourt episode yet?

6:48

No. What? Here's

6:50

what's here's the thing here's the problem I'm

6:53

realizing once I don't watch it immediately I

6:55

because I saw I filmed it like I

6:57

filmed it and because it's a multi cam

6:59

you see a few of the things a

7:01

few of the scenes you see them aired

7:03

on Set because like when you film in

7:05

front of a live audience the scenes you

7:07

don't film they show so that the audience

7:09

has some context for the rest of the

7:11

episode so I've seen a few of the

7:14

scenes and I think I do get a

7:16

little Nick was like can we watch your

7:18

episode tonight and I think if I wait

7:20

too long I get the thrill of it.

7:22

I'm so excited for it But then I

7:24

get self -conscious because I start thinking about

7:26

it and I'm like, oh, oh, no, I

7:28

don't want to I don't know I get

7:30

really like even I'm 33 years old. I

7:32

shouldn't care and I still am like, you

7:35

know, maybe Nick will watch it first. Like,

7:37

what if it's bad? What if I'm bad?

7:39

I don't know. It's really weird. Something happened.

7:41

So I need to just rip off the

7:43

Band -Aid and just do it. I never

7:45

want to tell you your feeling, your feelings

7:47

aren't valid, but your feelings aren't valid. You're

7:49

great. I

7:51

think I need that. No, I need

7:54

that sometimes. I watched. It's great. I

7:56

had no idea. There's a fun reveal.

7:58

Is it the tag? The very last

8:01

scene of the episode where... your character

8:03

is one way, but then it flips

8:05

it on its head. There's

8:08

a fun reveal in the tag. So

8:10

if you haven't seen it, it's called

8:13

pension tension, right? Pension tension on Peacock,

8:15

my episode of Night Court. I remember

8:17

filming it and it was lovely. Brock

8:19

tells me that it also edited together

8:21

really lovely. Can confirm. I would check

8:23

it out. It was so fun. Did

8:26

you watch the Oscars last night? Okay,

8:28

funny story about the Oscars. So

8:30

we turned on the Oscars. Yeah.

8:32

And... Um, my kids, even though

8:34

they've never seen Wicked, we listen

8:36

to Wicked a lot. And they,

8:39

and their aunt got them these

8:41

dresses from Target. These like Wicked

8:43

dresses, Alphabet and Glinda dresses, you

8:45

know, the pink and the black

8:47

dresses. And one of my

8:49

kids is absolutely obsessed with them. And so

8:51

they love loathing. I know it's called, what

8:53

is this feeling? But they're obsessed with loathing.

8:55

They love wearing their dresses. They love Alphabet

8:58

and Glinda. They have the whole thing. Like,

9:00

and then we listen to the movie. soundtrack.

9:02

We listen to the, we listen to both

9:04

versions back to back because they like, they

9:06

like the Elsa version, which

9:09

is a hack in case you

9:11

didn't know, in case you want

9:13

to stop listening to Frozen, just

9:15

tell your kid you have bonus

9:17

Frozen content and just play them

9:19

wicked, play them Adina Menzel. But

9:22

I was like, Oh my God, I turned

9:24

it on and it was Ariana Grande. I

9:26

was like, Oh my God, children gather around

9:28

the television. It's Galinda. Look at

9:30

this. And then we saw Elphaba. They were

9:33

tranced. They loved it. They were like, is

9:35

that? that Galinda? Is that Alphaba? They absolutely,

9:37

absolutely loved it. Define Gravity is one of

9:39

their favorite songs. They loved it. Great. I

9:42

was like, oh, this is gonna be so

9:44

nice. We'll get to it. I don't wanna

9:46

stick them in front of the TV for

9:48

too much, but I wanna see a little

9:51

bit of this, and they're gonna love it

9:53

too. It was giving very what you just

9:55

did, Maria from Sound of Music. It was

9:57

like, come children, let me educate you through

10:00

music. Gather round. Gather round, children. Let's

10:03

sing along. Then,

10:05

then. Do you remember what

10:07

the intro was? What

10:10

Conan O 'Brien's intro of him?

10:13

Oh, oh, oh, oh, of him

10:15

crawling out of Demi Moore? Yes.

10:18

Yes. So then that

10:21

happens and I see my

10:23

child be traumatized for life.

10:26

One of my kids like can't

10:28

look away and the other one

10:30

literally runs into Nick's lap. Oh,

10:32

no. Why did the man come

10:34

out of the man's body? Oh my God.

10:37

I love that they called to me more

10:39

a man. I know. They called everything. I

10:42

think they thought it was, and I was

10:44

like, oh, oh sweetheart, was that, was that

10:46

a little scary? And she goes, no, no.

10:48

And she goes, let's turn off the TV.

10:50

It just turns off the TV. There

10:52

you go. Well, it

10:55

was fine, but I'm not fun to

10:57

be around because my friends, they were,

11:00

well, cause they talk and I, I'm notorious.

11:02

I'm like, I like to be in my

11:04

zone. We should watch TV together. I mean,

11:06

we should because Cameron went over to one

11:08

of my friend's houses and I got invited

11:10

and I said, Jonathan, I'm a drip. You

11:12

do not want me there. And Cameron said,

11:14

well, I'm going to go. He

11:17

goes, I don't want to be around you. You kind

11:19

of get mean. I was watching some of the red

11:21

carpet interview stuff, and I was like, that's a bad

11:23

question. I was like, I could do

11:25

better than that. I could do better than that.

11:27

You should do. He was meandering, and I was

11:30

like, did you see Conclave? I was like, I

11:32

could talk more comprehensively about it, and I haven't

11:34

seen the film. God, you should get a job

11:36

as a side hustle. You should be like Lance

11:38

Bass on the red carpet. I would love that.

11:40

I think I would enjoy that. good. You'd be

11:42

so good. I would enjoy that. And also, just

11:45

who are you wearing? I pull

11:47

from Joan Rivers, my icon, when she used

11:49

to do it. Yes, I mean,

11:51

you literally did her for your SNL. Oh

11:53

God, oh God. You're

11:56

just maybe so upset. All

11:58

right, then let's get to some reminders. Okay,

12:00

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12:02

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13:31

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13:34

on that note, Let's get to some

13:36

middle minutes. All

13:39

right, we have episode 202,

13:42

Homecoming. When she discovers that

13:44

Sue's first cross -country meet

13:46

is the same day as

13:48

Axel's homecoming game, Frankie's dream

13:50

of escorting Axel across the

13:52

field is put in jeopardy.

13:54

Meanwhile, Mike has Brick rake

13:56

up the leaves in the

13:58

backyard and is surprised, but

14:00

he shouldn't be. When

14:03

Brick wants to release them

14:05

in the forest instead of

14:07

taking them to the dump.

14:09

Written by Rob Eulen and

14:11

directed by Studmuffin Ken Whittingham.

14:15

We've got and also I just

14:17

need to say I was my

14:19

little green My green self was

14:21

like the dump just compost them.

14:23

Sure. Why would you take him

14:25

to the compost? Well, shouldn't you

14:27

guys have a compost heap? You've

14:29

got a backyard in there. Anyway

14:31

We've got Chris Catan as Bob

14:33

Brian Doyle Brian Doyle Murray as

14:35

Mr. Ellert Greg Kroemer Also, we

14:37

got a lot of Tall Drinks

14:40

of Water happening in this episode.

14:43

As Coach Emerson, his second episode, he's

14:45

getting funnier. They're really developing his character.

14:48

And Bo Wyrick as Sean Donahue and

14:50

John Gammon as Darren, where were,

14:52

what are you talking about? They were in episode?

14:54

I was wondering, we didn't talk about it when

14:56

we were doing it with Warner. They are in

14:59

when Axel goes down and they're huddled. They each

15:01

have one singular line where Darren's like, Mrs. Heck.

15:04

And then Sean goes, Mrs. Heck,

15:06

great dress. Okay,

15:27

this aired on Wednesday, September 29th.

15:30

2010 at 8 p .m. 7

15:32

p .m. Central 2 8 .35

15:34

million viewers tiny dip but like

15:37

considering the premiere to Episode 2

15:39

202 fantastic that we stayed that

15:41

high That's really that's higher than

15:44

any episode in season one though.

15:46

Mm -hmm. So good for us

15:48

The top movie of the week

15:51

was Wall Street money never sleeps.

15:53

Mm -hmm sure and Top song

15:55

of the week is just the

15:58

way you are by Bruno Mars

16:00

Great Just at the Wall Street

16:02

when I never sleeps. It's Shia LaBeouf. Oh, it's

16:04

not. When I was looking it up, I said,

16:07

all right, if you say so, I don't remember.

16:09

I don't remember it. I'm so confused. It's not

16:11

Leonardo, wasn't Leonardo DiCaprio in one of those movies?

16:14

No, you're thinking of Titanic. I

16:18

really wanted to be like, no, you're thinking

16:21

of the big short. And then it's

16:23

like, you're not even thinking of that. No,

16:25

you're not. You're still just thinking of, I

16:27

guess, Titanic. What am I thinking of? No,

16:30

not catch me if you can't. He wasn't

16:32

in any Wall Street movie. No,

16:34

he was in Wolf of Wall Street. A Wolf of

16:36

Wall Street. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, so I'm not totally

16:38

loony. Well, I am, but not

16:40

for that reason. All

16:43

right, let's get to this episode with the

16:45

fabulous Werner. I

16:52

can't tell you how often I hear,

16:54

oh, I'm a little OCD. I like

16:57

things neat. That's not OCD. I'm Howie

16:59

Mandel and I know this because I

17:01

have OCD. Actual OCD causes

17:03

relentless unwanted thoughts. What if I

17:05

did something terrible and forgot? What

17:07

if I'm a bad person? Why

17:09

am I thinking this terrible thing?

17:11

It makes you question absolutely everything

17:14

and you'll do anything to feel

17:16

better. OCD is debilitating, but it's

17:18

also highly treatable with the right

17:20

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17:22

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17:24

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19:21

our first guest of season two, is

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19:25

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19:27

the production logistics, and he did it

19:29

all while being a tall drink of water

19:32

in Dark Regies. His

19:34

credits span tons of shows you know, including

19:36

which I don't think I actually knew until

19:38

I did my homework, Werner, the entire run

19:40

of Fresh Prince of Bel -Air, Three

19:43

Sisters, Mr. Mayor, Platonic, which we were

19:45

just talking about for Apple TV, Our

19:48

Spinoff, Susu in the City, and of

19:51

course the middle. He's our line producer.

19:53

All nine years. All nine years. He's

19:55

our line producer. Please welcome Werner Wallian.

19:58

Great. I was telling you before we

20:00

started recording. I've been clamoring to get

20:03

you on here because I love I

20:05

love hearing about I think our audience

20:07

does too of They can get you

20:09

know on set stuff from like Eden

20:11

and I but like how production actually

20:14

works Baby, you know the ins and

20:16

the outs. Yeah, and it always ends

20:18

up being the most interesting Interview

20:21

honestly because we think we know

20:23

and then we even after nine

20:25

years. I I'm like, oh, you

20:27

know what? No, I didn't know

20:30

that. I didn't know that. Oh,

20:32

okay So because we know this

20:34

much and our audience maybe doesn't

20:36

know anything will you Warner just

20:39

fill us in on what a

20:41

line producer does Yeah, it varies

20:43

from from show to show Overall,

20:48

layman's term, it's really

20:50

the operations manager and

20:52

then throw in some

20:54

babysitting, some therapist work,

20:57

handyman, trouble

20:59

shooting, everything that can be

21:02

thrown at you you deal

21:04

with. But at the end

21:06

the day, a true line producer They

21:08

call it line producer, it's the line item in

21:11

the budget. To make sure

21:13

that the show, series, movie is

21:15

just on track and doesn't fall

21:17

off the rails. And

21:19

I've been fortunate enough in my career to

21:22

be able to be involved on the creative

21:24

end. So it's not just budget, be

21:27

involved in editing, be involved in a

21:29

lot of other creative aspects. So that's

21:31

where I've really enjoyed my job because

21:33

I get to get my hands in

21:35

everything. And it's been a blast. I've

21:38

been doing it for 35 years and I

21:40

still love it. That's incredible. And it shows.

21:43

It shows because you're quite good at it.

21:46

Thank you. And Eden, I'm sure you've

21:48

noticed. I don't know if you watched

21:50

episodes and sometimes you're like, wow, that

21:52

whole scene's gone. Yes.

21:55

I mean, that's happened.

21:57

Complete scenes that were

21:59

a new set or

22:01

whatever. I

22:04

think one year I was

22:06

teasing Dan and Eileen and I was just like,

22:08

I just want to give you the heads up.

22:11

After, you know, season whatever, I went

22:13

through and just did the math on

22:15

all the things that we cut, sets

22:17

and locations and this and that, and

22:19

it came out to about a million

22:21

dollars. I said, you

22:23

know, that comes kind of out of

22:25

your private participation. Just, you know, keep

22:27

that in mind maybe for next year.

22:30

You know, they laughed and, you know, look, again,

22:32

you're never going to be. But

22:35

you know what? As a producer, you've got to

22:37

remind people that every swap, because you forget about

22:40

it. You really do. Checks and balances, yeah. I

22:42

would, if you don't mind, I would like to

22:44

share a quick anecdote just because it relates to

22:46

what just happened in real life five minutes ago.

22:49

I was, I just, okay, so I was, I

22:51

was late to this recording session. I

22:54

was a little late for reasons.

22:57

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But

23:00

I remember one of my

23:02

most vivid memories. It was

23:04

formative. It was traumatizing, but

23:06

formative in a good way

23:08

for me. My

23:10

biggest memory of Warner in season. I

23:12

don't know what season it was. It

23:16

must have been maybe it was later on.

23:18

It must have been maybe season five, six.

23:21

I don't know. It was late enough. Do have any

23:23

idea what she's about to say, Werner? Maybe.

23:27

Go, go, go. actually so curious if you think,

23:29

I'm curious what you think I'm about to say.

23:31

That have to do with surfing. Oh,

23:35

God. Oh, no. There's

23:37

another story. Go ahead. Oh,

23:39

my God. I can't, I actually want to

23:42

know what your experience was of my... When

23:44

I came to when I showed up I

23:46

got a broken fight No, no, no, I

23:48

overslept one day. I just I had never

23:51

I I'm a perpetually Five minutes late person

23:53

I've now experienced people who are like fully

23:55

half an hour an hour hour and a

23:57

half late for things and I'm like I'm

24:00

not that I have a problem But I

24:02

don't have that kind of problem But I

24:04

feel like I was always a few minutes

24:06

late whatever But that one morning I fully

24:09

overslept. I like really really I just to

24:11

my alarm just did it must have gone

24:13

off I overslept through it I don't know

24:15

what happened But I showed up to set

24:18

like I don't know half an hour 45

24:20

minutes late And I was in the first

24:22

scene and it was like I knew I

24:25

knew I knew what had happened as soon

24:27

as I woke up And it was 7

24:29

15 and I was like I was supposed

24:31

to be at set at 6 18 I

24:35

I was like, I woke up and I

24:37

saw like 27 missed calls and I just

24:39

like rushed there. I was just like in

24:41

a stupor. Just like, huh. And I got

24:43

to set, got to hair and makeup, did

24:45

whatever. We all got it. And after the

24:47

first take or after the first setup and

24:49

we were like, okay, we're turning around. Eileen

24:52

or someone was like, Hey, Warner is here.

24:54

Jeff. No, Jeff Pallotta was like, uh, Warner's

24:56

on set. That's

25:00

not good. Like Warner is here to

25:02

talk to you. And I was like, No,

25:04

I know exactly what this is and you

25:06

came to me and I know that you

25:09

were prepared to be like hey Whatever the

25:11

talk was, you know like you really can't

25:13

you need we need to you have to

25:16

show up on time and I Approached you

25:18

you approached me we approached each other and

25:20

I immediately started bawling oh And I could

25:22

see in your face that you were like

25:25

Alright, I don't, what do I, how do

25:27

I, how do I tell her, like she

25:29

already feels bad, but like, we gotta settle

25:31

this, like you can't come to work 45

25:34

minutes late when you're in the first scene.

25:37

She's gonna be like, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, I know,

25:39

I know, I'm really sorry, I'm really sorry, I won't happen

25:41

again, I don't know what happened. You're

25:43

like, all right, I got to go. Do you

25:46

remember this word? I do. And I think

25:48

we might have even sent some people to

25:50

your place. We might have.

25:52

I think Transpo or PA or somebody,

25:54

because we were obviously worried. You

25:57

know, you're not picking up the phone. You're

25:59

late. That's always our first thought. Uh -oh,

26:01

what's going on? Then when

26:03

we find out you overslept, then we deal with it. It's

26:07

funny because that has been

26:10

huge part of my producing

26:12

over the years dealing with

26:14

tardiness sure yeah and in

26:17

a single camera you know

26:19

show like the middle it

26:22

costs money really yeah in

26:24

the day because we have

26:27

a crew standing and waiting

26:29

and their clock started earlier

26:32

And we also have to make the day,

26:34

which you guys know what that's all about.

26:36

We need to get all the material we

26:38

schedule for that day done that day so

26:40

that we can stay on schedule and get

26:42

the show finished within the week. And

26:45

other things happen to slow you

26:48

down. Sometimes we have equipment failure

26:50

and things like that. So things

26:52

happen. But tardiness is

26:54

always a tough one because that one

26:56

you can control. And

26:58

like you said, You

27:02

know, that amount of time, you know,

27:04

at the end the day wasn't horrendous,

27:06

but there are stories of people two,

27:09

three, four hours, you know, can't find

27:11

them. I've heard those horror stories and

27:13

that's really frustrating from a production standpoint

27:16

because everybody's professional, everybody shows up on

27:18

time, we all have a job. Things

27:21

happen, we've all in our lives have

27:23

been late for something, it happens, you

27:25

know, you get stuck in traffic, you

27:27

didn't give yourself enough time, it's happened

27:29

to me. Um, but yeah,

27:31

no, I do remember that one of my

27:33

favorite memories is like you said like nobody

27:35

was trying to get out of dodge on

27:38

Friday nights It was like we we all

27:40

just stuck around like we'd say okay That's

27:42

a wrap and then we just just kind

27:44

of just hang out We just hang out

27:46

on set or you know on the lot

27:48

or whatever on Friday nights and my favorite

27:51

my favorite thing were these amazing little drinks

27:53

It was like Werner is working when Werner

27:55

is working you come on set. You're very

27:57

tall Very tall. Very tall, man. If

27:59

he's coming on set to tell you you can't

28:01

be tardy, OK, Werner's here. He's here to tell

28:04

us you got to know we got to cut

28:06

that we can't go overtime. Great. And then that's

28:08

a wrap on Friday nights. You

28:10

whip out the Werneritas. The

28:13

Werneritas. Oh, my god. And you were

28:15

laughing. And you made everyone else laugh.

28:17

And we all just we would like

28:20

huddle around. You'd be like, the funnest

28:22

guy on set. Yes.

28:25

Warner can actually be fun No, and

28:27

it really I think it made a

28:29

difference so being like oh, yeah You

28:31

it shows that like oh you have

28:33

a respect and a love for everyone

28:35

around you We're here to have a

28:38

good time when we've gotten the work

28:40

done But you're also here it makes

28:42

the professionalism so much more valuable when

28:44

it like and it doesn't it just

28:46

it gives it a new meaning when

28:48

you can see a new light to

28:50

someone like It just, yeah, you're very

28:52

good at having the human aspect. Thank

28:56

you. We could talk for hours, but I

28:58

have a lot of questions about this specific

29:00

episode. So, if you're ready, guys,

29:02

let's get into the episode. Let's do it. Yeah.

29:06

Werner, did you do your homework? I did.

29:09

Okay, good. From a show that we shot

29:11

how many years ago? Right,

29:13

right, right. Season two, would that

29:16

be 2010? Yeah, about 15 years

29:18

ago. God, that's nearly

29:20

half my life. Crazy. First

29:22

thoughts when you, going back

29:24

all those years, you

29:27

click a little link and you're teleported to

29:29

that time and rewatching this episode. What was

29:31

like your first initial thought before we actually

29:33

dive into the actual manisha of it? The

29:36

very first thought was how good

29:38

that show in the series is

29:41

and was. so good. know,

29:43

you forget about it, you know, and then

29:45

when you do come back, it really was.

29:48

such a good episode, such

29:50

a good series. And

29:53

those things are rare. They really are. So

29:55

that was number one. And then

29:58

the producer hat comes on, and

30:00

he started thinking about all the

30:02

production elements that were involved. And

30:04

for me, if you

30:07

guys remember, we really didn't leave the

30:09

lot that much over the nine seasons.

30:11

remember. Yeah. And

30:13

that was part of producing, trying to

30:15

keep the show Controlled

30:17

with a five -day you know

30:19

per episode shoot and sometimes you

30:21

know leaving the lot means getting

30:23

into cars and trucks and going

30:25

somewhere and eating up time and

30:27

it's all about time. But

30:30

that particular episode is one of

30:32

the rarer episodes where we actually

30:35

left the lot for a good

30:37

amount of scenes. And

30:39

we maybe did that once or twice

30:41

a season. Sometimes we

30:44

didn't, but we really stayed at

30:46

the ranch the lot and found

30:48

our nooks and crannies everywhere on

30:50

that lot. Little

30:53

corners, little woods and things like that.

30:55

So that episode, definitely from a production

30:57

standpoint, just stood out as one of

31:00

the bigger ones that we left the

31:02

lot. All right, here we go. We're

31:04

finally getting into the episode. All

31:07

right. We started out. We're in the

31:09

kitchen as we always are. And

31:12

Axel has made varsity, which I still

31:14

don't know what that means. Don't

31:16

lie to me. You went to high school. Don't lie to

31:18

me on this podcast. There was no sports team. Are you

31:20

kidding me? Am I tiny? Am

31:22

I little like public's charter performing arts to

31:25

high school? I don't know what that

31:27

meant. And I was like, OK, I'm just going to go

31:29

along for the ride on this one. OK, I might have

31:31

to be a separate podcast. Right,

31:33

right, right. But

31:35

that's the beauty of this episode, is that

31:37

even if you don't know what that means,

31:39

in context, you get it immediately. Because

31:42

Frankie, Frankie, Frankie spells it out

31:44

for us. She is thrilled for

31:47

Axel. Let me know what's something

31:49

good. But she is

31:51

secretly thrilled for herself because she gets

31:53

to escort Axel onto the field for

31:56

the homecoming game. And their mother -son

31:58

moments are fleeting, so she is definitely

32:00

looking forward to this. I

32:05

was looking Ken Whittingham directed this episode,

32:07

and I think this is our first

32:09

episode that he's done where there's no

32:11

crane shot. We had him on the

32:13

podcast, and that man loves a crane

32:15

shot. And the funny thing is, part

32:17

of my job as a producer is

32:19

to, you know, you

32:21

try to give the director the

32:24

tools and things that they want,

32:26

but again, you

32:28

can't give them everything. Um, you know, and

32:30

so, you know, there are times when a

32:32

director will ask for a crane and you're

32:34

like, uh, can we just, uh, you know,

32:37

put this on the dolly and get a

32:39

riser for the same shot or, or, or

32:41

handle on top of a ladder and sometimes

32:43

you can, you know, he used a dolly

32:45

and he used, uh, a ladder. He used

32:47

it all. Yeah. Yeah. But no crane. Yeah,

32:49

he did. The

32:52

next day, Mike decides it's time for

32:54

Brick to pull his weight around the

32:57

house and do some chores. Brick's gonna

32:59

rake the leaves. After Brick reluctantly agrees,

33:01

Sue comes skipping in with her cross

33:03

-country schedule. Her first meet

33:05

is scheduled for the second, the same

33:07

time as Axel's homecoming game. Rutro,

33:09

even did you know what homecoming was? No.

33:14

I know a a homecoming

33:16

dance. Being in society. I

33:19

still don't fully understand it. I literally

33:21

watched the episode. I'm still like, I

33:23

enjoyed this episode. I understand everything in

33:26

context. I got all the emotions. It's

33:29

the first game, right? Is it

33:31

the first game of the season?

33:33

Yeah. And real quick, varsity is

33:36

the highest level of high school

33:38

sport. It starts off freshman, junior

33:40

varsity, varsity. And so if you make varsity,

33:43

that's the highest level. And some kids can

33:45

make varsity in their freshman year. And these

33:47

are the kids that go on to probably

33:49

get into college sports and things like that.

33:52

Even varsity is a series regular. Just

33:54

think of it that way. You're aiming

33:56

towards varsity level. Probably one through five

33:58

on the call sheet. OK,

34:01

got it. Okay,

34:03

great. Number 20, 21 might be

34:05

freshman, and in between is junior

34:08

varsity. Got it, got it, got

34:10

it. Freshman is a co -star,

34:13

junior varsity is a guest star, current guest star,

34:15

and then we got our zeroes regulars in the

34:17

varsity. Exactly. No, I mean,

34:19

look, I mean, I have four kids, and

34:22

there have been some situations where, you

34:24

know, Both parents, you know, should be

34:27

at the same event, and sometimes you

34:29

can't be. And I'm trying to figure

34:31

out, all right, which kid are we

34:34

going to hurt or piss off? And

34:37

Ruben has it, Werner, you always just choose your favorite,

34:39

and that's what it's sticking to for us. basically have

34:41

no favorite, so it really doesn't matter, you know I

34:43

mean? So you never need to go to anything? Never

34:45

win. All

34:48

right, Warner, are you ready for your action

34:50

drops? Oh, yeah. So here we go. Well,

34:52

Frankie's distraught. This is Sue's

34:54

first thing ever, but she miss

34:56

the opportunity to escort Axel. When

34:59

Mike and Frankie try to break it to Sue that

35:01

they're going to have to miss her meet, Sue

35:04

blindly assumes Frankie will still be

35:06

there. And Frankie doesn't have

35:08

the heart to correct her. What

35:10

are you thinking, Werner, like, so these

35:12

feel, these are pretty normal standard scenes

35:14

going through this. Anything that's popping out,

35:17

the backyard stuff, or

35:20

does this feel pretty typical, pretty normal? Okay,

35:22

we've got these house scenes. We're

35:24

right in our sweet spot. Yeah, the house scenes, all

35:26

that stuff, right in our sweet spot. One of the

35:28

things, you know, when it gets to the backyard, you

35:31

know, we were able to, you know,

35:33

shoot all that backyard stuff with the

35:35

leaf raking on the lot. and tie

35:37

it into the house with the reactions

35:40

of Mike and this and that. But

35:42

yeah, as we get into this deeper stuff, then

35:44

things really start opening up. So

35:47

here we are. We're now, Frankie is

35:49

in, what the hell is this word,

35:51

Brock, reconnaissance? Reconnaissance, recon

35:54

mode. Oh, that's where recon

35:56

comes from. Did I go

35:58

to school? Did

36:00

I? I don't know what homecoming is,

36:02

don't know what varsity is, and I was about to say Renaissance.

36:06

didn't know. Okay, Frankie is in

36:08

recon mode to get her to

36:11

Axel's game. She tries with Sue

36:13

while they are at Ellerts, and

36:15

she tries with Axel on the

36:17

couch, but nothing seems to work.

36:19

Mike, but Mike has

36:21

got good news. He got the coach

36:24

to move the meat up so that

36:26

Frankie can do Both all I could

36:28

think of I know there was not

36:30

a cloud in that sky when you're

36:32

at alerts and I know it was

36:34

90 degrees well in August and I

36:36

know you want to talk about the

36:39

heat on this episode so yeah the

36:41

thing is we shot this in August

36:43

and you know this is supposed to

36:45

be Indiana And homecoming

36:47

in Indiana starts getting a

36:49

little cooler. It's fall. So

36:52

when we get into the football

36:54

game, you'll notice the extras are

36:56

wearing jackets and beanies. And

36:59

it was 105 degrees that

37:01

day we shot. that football

37:04

game. Oh my god.

37:06

And I remember how hot it was

37:08

there and everybody's just dying. We just

37:10

had one of these crazy August heat

37:12

waves and we're trying to make everybody

37:14

feel like they're bundled up. I mean

37:17

it wasn't snowing or anything but it

37:19

was you know cooler, colder weather and

37:21

I think we actually Had

37:23

a couple extras go down with some

37:25

heat exhaustion. I mean nobody, you know

37:27

We had we had to keep an

37:30

eye on people. It was it was

37:32

a tough tough day Yeah, seeing everybody

37:34

bundled up like that Wait, so then

37:36

Werner, can I ask what so when

37:38

you're trying to plan all of this

37:40

and obviously when you're doing a lot

37:43

of the days when you're trying to

37:45

schedule it in advance You don't necessarily

37:47

know what the weather is gonna be

37:49

do you ever make a last

37:51

minute adjustment and adjustment when it comes to

37:54

weather or do you just say Here

37:57

we go, make sure we got ice packs at

37:59

the ready. Yeah, I think the only we have

38:01

to make those adjustments is when it's, you know,

38:03

like rain. You know, when the rain's coming, that's

38:05

when we have to make the adjustments. When it

38:07

comes to heat, when it comes to cold, you

38:10

know, we shot sometimes on cold nights, you know,

38:12

we'd have special effects out there with the heaters,

38:14

keep everybody warm. And on

38:16

the days where it's hot, we do have cooling

38:18

tents we had, you know, misters, things like that.

38:21

But yeah, we don't really move around for that.

38:23

But when it comes to rain, that was, and

38:25

it hit us. where we did have to make

38:27

some scheduling changes because of the bad weather. Of

38:31

course. The three days a year it

38:33

rains in Los Angeles. Exactly. And it always rained

38:35

on the day that I got a location. It

38:37

was like, really? Yeah. But the

38:39

thing, you know, especially doing a

38:41

show like The Middle, which

38:44

as, you know, we're

38:46

in Indiana as four seasons. You

38:48

have winter, you have fall, you

38:50

have different looks. That was one

38:52

of the challenges of doing The

38:54

Middle. in Los Angeles. It

38:57

stays green the whole time, you

39:00

know? Yeah, we do have trees that lose

39:02

leaves, but the majority of the time it's

39:04

green. And so, you

39:06

know, getting into this particular episode,

39:09

we took a lot of color

39:11

out. So if you can visualize

39:13

the scenes that were out when

39:16

Sue was running cross country when

39:18

Brick is raking leaves, it's a

39:21

lot. We took the green out

39:23

of the grass in post. We

39:25

added color to the trees, browned

39:28

up the trees. So all of

39:30

that is not the true look

39:32

of what that looked like. It

39:35

was all very green. And

39:38

so if you watch the episode, you're

39:40

going to see brown leaves, maybe some

39:42

orange in there. The grass looks a

39:45

little brown. And so we did that

39:47

with all episodes that needed to reflect

39:49

a season. The hardest was

39:51

winter snow because Really, most of your

39:53

trees are going to lose their leaves,

39:56

right? You're to have bare trees. Well,

39:58

if you remember shooting on Blondie Street with all

40:00

those full trees out there, those trees were not

40:02

going to lose their leaves. So the

40:05

only thing we could do was take out.

40:07

the green and make them just ugly brown

40:09

you know right out the green out of

40:11

the grass and make it brown and you

40:13

can do that with visual effects so and

40:15

the other thing is palm trees and mountains

40:17

which are all over the place in in

40:19

in LA we would you know have an

40:22

angle with a couple palm trees we would

40:24

get rid of that mountains you know Indiana

40:26

is pretty flat So,

40:28

you know, we'd have the mountains around us

40:30

that we would have to remove all little

40:32

tricks to try to give us a closer

40:34

feel of Indiana. So this episode in particular

40:36

really took a lot, you know, to give

40:39

it that look. I did not

40:41

know the post thing. That is really, really, sorry,

40:43

the taking out the color. That is, it looks,

40:45

you cannot tell. You really cannot tell. And it's,

40:47

you know, the technology, I mean, we're talking, this

40:49

was, you know, 15 years ago,

40:51

the technology today is so much easier

40:53

and better. I mean, there is stuff

40:55

going on now where And I

40:58

know everybody, the AI of

41:00

it in our business, people

41:02

are questioning, but there are

41:04

some situations where I can

41:06

put words that you've recorded

41:08

in your mouth, but on

41:10

a different take, but

41:12

make it match your lips now.

41:15

Yeah. Wow.

41:18

Or do ADR and make it match

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41:22

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41:24

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41:31

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41:33

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41:35

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41:37

you guys you know, there are many

41:40

episodes where we're on somebody's back of

41:42

their head Dropping in an ADR line

41:45

We just had a fan call him

41:47

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like, there's something in season five with

41:51

this sound is what's going on. And

41:53

so we went looking for it and

41:55

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41:57

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42:02

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42:04

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42:06

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42:08

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42:10

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42:12

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so after Bricks met 11 days

45:01

collecting leaves with his extraordinary attention

45:03

to detail, he finished, but there's

45:05

a catch. He wants to release

45:07

them into the wild. You

45:09

did it! Took you 11

45:11

days, did a job that should take an

45:14

hour, but you did it all by yourself.

45:16

Doesn't it feel good? It really does. You're

45:18

growing up fast, Rick. Really fast. I know.

45:21

Can you tie my shoe? It

45:24

is finally homecoming. Mike Stuck sitting next

45:26

to Bob in the bleachers and Frankie

45:28

stuck at Sue's meat. The clock is

45:30

ticking and Sue still hasn't crossed the

45:33

finish line. Frankie finds Sue on

45:35

the trail and follows along in her car

45:37

and confesses she wants to wear a pretty,

45:39

returnable dress and have a special moment with

45:41

Axl. And finally, Sue comes around

45:43

and they race to the football game. Now,

45:46

with all of that, location

45:49

-wise, so Sue was

45:51

doing cross country. and

45:55

Axel was playing football. We

45:58

tried to find locations that were

46:00

close to each other because what

46:02

you're trying to do is, again,

46:06

reduce, eliminate wasted time. What you don't

46:08

want to do is shoot the football

46:10

game way off, let's say, 50 miles

46:13

away and cross country 50 miles the

46:15

other direction. You're trying to, with locations,

46:17

build a day. So all the locations

46:20

can shoot in that day. So you

46:22

have to find locations that are close

46:24

to each other. So the high school

46:27

that we shot at was in Van

46:29

Is, Birmingham High School. Which

46:31

is my local high school. Oh, that's pretty cool. It

46:33

was three blocks from where I grew up. I did

46:36

not know that. That is awesome. Yeah.

46:38

Yeah. And that school is shot a lot

46:40

has shot at that school. It's a very

46:42

film friendly school. Yeah. So

46:45

we shot there and then

46:47

literally just down the street

46:49

is Lake Balboa. And

46:52

that's where there's some wooded

46:54

areas. Obviously, there's the

46:57

lake and this and that, but there's some

46:59

fun little areas. And so we scouted that,

47:01

and that's where we did the cross -country

47:03

running. And we also

47:05

found a little. I would have sworn that was in

47:07

the ranch, in one of those little corners. Which we've

47:10

done stuff like that at the ranch. Yeah, I was

47:12

going yeah. This one just needed a little more

47:14

real estate. We just couldn't, with the car driving at

47:16

night. and then Brick releasing

47:18

the leaves was also done at Lake

47:20

Balboa in a separate section out there.

47:23

But those two locations were close to

47:25

each other. Was any

47:27

of the cross -country running stuff on

47:29

the ranch? The start of the race,

47:31

the running of the race, running through

47:34

the woods, all of that was on

47:36

location. The driving I

47:38

thought was on location, could we

47:40

have done it in the back

47:42

area? Maybe? I can't remember. Yeah.

47:45

I really thought I have such a

47:47

memory. the running was actually was definitely

47:49

at Lake Baboa. Yes, that

47:51

I that I knew because I was like

47:54

I have to ask Warner where this like

47:56

I was like I have a memory of

47:58

where exactly the car stuff happened on the

48:00

ranch. I have a memory of being of

48:02

like Patty finishing her take and walking back

48:05

to my trailer my like regular trailer. But

48:07

then I was like maybe we shot that.

48:09

Yeah, the driving at the ranch. Maybe we

48:11

had because I know later on. at the

48:13

ranch, they built that house back in that

48:15

area where we couldn't shoot there anymore. But

48:18

maybe before that house was built, we shot

48:20

back there. There's possibility, yeah. OK,

48:22

right. And maybe I'm wrong. I've contrived a

48:24

lot of memories over the years. No, because

48:27

nighttime we can, you know, we have a

48:29

lot more liberties. We can hide a lot

48:31

of stuff at night. So there's a good

48:33

chance that we just shot on a section

48:35

of there. But definitely the running, all of

48:37

that was done at Lake Balboa and brick

48:39

breaking the leaves. Wow. I

48:41

will say I do remember if you if you'll

48:44

check or if you'll you'll see I was that

48:46

I obviously was supposed to be sweaty because of,

48:48

you know, running. But I remember that was one

48:50

of the days where they were like, good, like

48:52

touch ups or the glass looks and they were

48:54

like, you're good. You're good. You're

48:57

sweaty. Roll the cameras. It's hot. That

48:59

worked out perfectly. Yeah.

49:02

Yeah. So Sue's trying

49:05

to she's not. Oh, yeah, they raced

49:07

the football game. But unfortunately, Frankie did

49:09

not in fact end up walking. Axl

49:11

down the field. They got stuck in

49:13

traffic, which I did not. I

49:16

didn't realize that was going to be a false. I

49:18

was like, oh, wow, what a, what a tidy resolution.

49:21

And I was like, oh, right. And

49:24

after an awkward half hug and

49:26

handshake between Mike and Axl, which

49:28

I thought was very hilarious. Yeah.

49:31

The game begins. Axl

49:33

has the ball and is about

49:35

to score a touchdown when he

49:38

gets tackled hard and Frankie. This

49:41

was absolutely unhinged. Desperate for

49:43

that mother's son moment, rushes

49:45

to the field. It's a

49:47

whole whole whole whole whole

49:50

whole whole whole whole whole

49:52

whole whole whole whole

49:57

whole whole whole whole whole whole

49:59

whole whole

50:01

whole whole

50:05

whole whole whole whole whole Overall

50:13

shooting two days on location, but we

50:15

might have been able to pull off

50:17

Birmingham Birmingham in a day Because I

50:19

know because you have some day stuff

50:22

and then you have the night stuff

50:24

same with cross -country right and I

50:26

think Because what we what you don't

50:28

want to do is spend a half

50:31

a day on a location You want

50:33

to make it a full day? So

50:35

I'm trying to think if it was

50:37

broken up where we might have shot

50:40

the day stuff, football

50:42

and day, cross country in the same

50:44

day, and then all the night stuff

50:46

on another day, that's possible. But

50:49

yeah, I can't remember either. But I do

50:51

know that what you try to do is,

50:54

again, this is more for the

50:56

budget, you bring in all those

50:58

extras, you want to

51:00

get the majority of all

51:02

their work done up front,

51:04

especially all those shots. Right.

51:07

With Ellert and this and that. And

51:10

then as as you end the day

51:12

and shooting down towards the football field,

51:14

now you've lost most of those extras

51:17

and this and that. So that's kind

51:19

of, you know, you also shoot in

51:21

an order to financially make sense. So

51:23

you're not sitting on 300 extras for

51:26

14 hours. That's a

51:28

tough job. You've got a real company. You do not

51:30

have you have the job of a of a producer

51:32

and an A .D. in one. a

51:35

lot of spinning plates. So

51:37

to wrap up, the Heck family gets home

51:39

and a mortified Axel storms into his room.

51:41

Frankie apologizes to Axel and rubs his back

51:43

while doing so. And when Axel

51:46

says she doesn't have to stop, Frankie

51:48

realizes, oh, in a true middle moment,

51:50

it's not about the big public moments,

51:52

it's about the little ones. And of

51:54

course, Mike comes around and takes Brick

51:56

to release the leaves in Balboa Park

51:59

in Los Angeles. I'm

52:03

sorry. Night.

52:11

Don't have to stop. What?

52:15

I mean, it

52:18

hit me really hard, you know, it kind

52:20

of hurts. I

52:24

guess that's the thing about being a mom. You

52:26

never really have to stop. You

52:28

just have to start learning to do it in private. But

52:31

that's okay. In the end, it's not

52:33

about those big public moments. It's the

52:36

little moments. What a fun I'm

52:38

so glad we had something like this what I

52:40

like having you for an episode like this Warner

52:42

is that we have a nice On

52:44

from like the outside perspective, we have a

52:46

question kind of like this from an outside

52:48

perspective doesn't seem like a tricky episode. It's

52:50

not like a big one that like is

52:53

going to stick out to fans. But there's

52:55

still a lot of elements that you have

52:57

to deal with the locations, the outside going

52:59

outside of the ranch, 300 extras. It's I

53:01

like that we had you on for for

53:03

this episode. And I'm very curious now, just

53:05

for me and Brock. for this next episode

53:07

for 203, because I don't remember what it

53:09

is at all. I will be very curious

53:11

to see how I am going to be

53:13

keep track of how many locations and how

53:15

many guest stars. I'm

53:19

sure you were like, OK, we did it.

53:21

Next one. Let's keep it in. Yeah,

53:24

a lot, guys. And that's the thing where

53:26

you would. doing 24 episodes a year it's

53:29

that's a lot of production it's a lot

53:31

on the writers i mean the writers have

53:33

you know so much i'm sorry i couldn't

53:35

remember some of the locations if we because

53:38

man you know after Doing

53:40

so many episodes and other things

53:42

over the years. You do start

53:45

forgetting certain things. It's one or

53:47

I'm gonna tell you something and

53:50

even I say this with my

53:52

whole heart You remembered more than

53:54

you have in this episode than

53:57

Ian has this entire time You

53:59

retained more about your job on

54:02

this one singular episode Take

54:04

that in Werner, then I have in

54:06

now we've 27 episodes right So fret

54:09

not you right Werner this was I

54:11

like I was saying right before we

54:13

recorded I've been clamoring to get you

54:15

on I'm so excited our schedules finally

54:17

aligned because I I find this stuff

54:19

really interesting I know Eden doesn't I

54:22

think I think our listeners to do

54:24

as well. It's it's fascinating to hear

54:26

about What goes into making you know

54:28

people's favorite television show? Yeah. No, it's

54:30

great seeing you guys brings

54:33

back some great memories. It's fantastic.

54:35

What a delight. What a delight you

54:37

are. I'm so happy for you to

54:39

just keep working and I will be

54:41

any when Brock and I eventually have

54:43

our own next show. I can't wait

54:45

for you to contact you and you

54:47

be not available. Exactly. All

54:51

right. so much, Warner. Thank you, guys.

54:53

Thank you. I

54:59

first love Warner and two, what I

55:01

remembered as we were kind of wrapping

55:03

up with him, that, because you just

55:05

mentioned you have a meeting with Julia,

55:07

our costumer for your show, that...

55:09

All the crew members too, I think

55:11

also really respect Werner. I remember when

55:14

we recorded with Julia for this, she

55:16

was like, and you guys, Werner Wallion

55:18

is so great and just like gushed,

55:20

she adores him. And I think like

55:22

in order to be a successful line

55:24

producer, you have to have all the

55:26

qualities, but then also cultivate these really

55:28

nice relationships with your department heads. And

55:30

he just, he does amazing. Yeah,

55:32

I'm actually, I'm very excited to be able to tell

55:35

Julia that I, the reason we, I had to push

55:37

a little bit was because I was talking to Werner.

55:39

What a great feeling that I don't have to like

55:41

hide it. I don't have to be like, uh, no,

55:43

I'm going to make up some excuse. Like, no, I

55:45

get to feel like, yeah, was just talking, he just

55:47

got to understand. Of course you were talking to Werner.

55:50

Um, okay. So Eden, we have

55:52

some, uh, listener voice mails. The

55:54

first one is from Amy. Amy,

55:57

let's hear you. Hey Barack.

55:59

Hey Eden. I just

56:02

had the best time listening to

56:04

the last episode especially when Eden

56:06

was talking about the correct way

56:08

to say jalapeno or jalapena and

56:12

We lived in Chicago for forever and

56:14

we sat at the Midwest way and

56:16

then we moved down to Oklahoma and

56:18

it was much more of a jalapeno.

56:21

And I'm still not saying it right. I get

56:23

caught on that word all the time to the

56:25

point where I never used that word and my

56:27

kids make fun of me all the time. But

56:30

I just wanted to let you know

56:32

that I love the specifics of the

56:34

middle. I feel like every single time,

56:36

whether it's in the show or in

56:38

your podcast, there is some kind of

56:40

reference that completely pertains to me. It's

56:42

like you've been following me around or

56:45

something and I just love that. I

56:47

also wanted to say that the music

56:49

to your podcast could not be any

56:51

more perfect because all I can ever

56:53

picture is Brad and Sue dancing to

56:56

that music and it makes me smile

56:58

every time. But love

57:00

listening to you. You guys are

57:02

a riot. Keep it up and

57:04

just thanks for a really great

57:06

time every week. Take care. Amy!

57:10

First and foremost, Amy, the sound

57:12

quality of whatever you were recording

57:14

on was incredible. Yeah,

57:16

that was really great. Really clear. We

57:18

love a clear. We love a clear

57:21

VM. VM,

57:23

not VM. That'd be weird. No,

57:27

I have to say, I love

57:29

the following you around with a

57:31

camera comment. I feel like we

57:33

get that and it is nice

57:35

to hear every single time. I

57:39

love, I love the idea

57:41

of you saying like, do you want

57:43

it spicy with, you do want the

57:45

green things on it? You know, do

57:47

you want the, you want those spicy

57:49

slices of the pepper? That Any way

57:51

to avoid the word. Any way to

57:53

avoid it? Or just like, never have

57:55

anything spicy. Have your kids be like,

57:57

mom, why did we grow up only

57:59

eating the blandest food? Because I couldn't

58:01

say jalapeno. Well, also

58:03

too, after listening to that and her

58:06

confirming that it's a jalapeno. jalapeno,

58:09

right? Is that what she said? Jalapeno.

58:11

Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad whoever was running

58:13

the ADR booth and whoever made you

58:15

redo it, then I said, you know,

58:17

that's good. Eileen, because ultimately those like

58:20

the things that I think people sink

58:22

their teeth into, you get big laughs

58:24

and stuff, but like that relatability, it's

58:26

so minute, but that's the thing that

58:28

like gets people hooked and they're like

58:30

oh my god this is a family

58:33

from the midwest because that's how everyone

58:35

says jalapeno or they say pop instead

58:37

of soda. Exactly you don't realize it's

58:39

all the little things together that either

58:41

like they cultivate a real you're just

58:44

like like sucked into the reality of

58:46

it or when it's not you don't

58:48

know why but something just feels off

58:50

and it's like because it doesn't feel

58:52

you can't relate to the other real

58:55

stuff if you're not buying into the

58:57

reality. of it, of the whole world.

58:59

And those little things, they add up.

59:01

The details that make it, you know,

59:03

like the devs in the deets. The

59:05

dev is in the deets. Just leave

59:08

me, leave me, Brogg. He's always in

59:10

those deets. That dev loves to hang

59:12

out in those deets. Okay,

59:15

so next week we're gonna

59:17

do episode 203. It's my

59:19

first episode of season two,

59:21

the diaper incident, and we

59:23

have our director for that

59:25

episode, Wendy Stanzler is our

59:27

guest. It has been a saga trying

59:29

to get her on. She is a

59:31

busy woman. This woman, but she's here.

59:33

She's doing it. so excited. You need to go. I

59:36

need to get the hell out of here. I

59:38

need to leave. I need to eat some food.

59:40

I need to drink my third cup of coffee.

59:43

And I love you. I'm giving you a

59:45

big hug. And I'll see you next week.

59:48

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