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Hey there, it's Sarah Steckler, host

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of the Mindful Productivity Podcast.

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Today you are listening

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to Planner Talk 2024.

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This is a conversational debrief audiocast

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that I'm creating to discuss the current

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state of the self publishing industry,

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specific to journals and planners.

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We're going to be talking about what's

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happening in the Planner publishing world

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and what's shifting in the market, what's

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still in demand, and I'm also going to be

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sharing why I still recommend using Kindle

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Direct Publishing after all these years.

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I've been publishing with them

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since 2018, so keep listening.

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If you're thinking about self publishing

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your own journal, planner or workbook,

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this is going to give you a lot of

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different ideas and

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insights into the process.

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During this presentation, I'm also going to be inviting you to our next live round

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of publish with purpose, where we will be

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specifically creating pocketbook

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style journals and planners.

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So if you've been thinking about getting

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started and creating a larger signature

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planner feels super overwhelming, Pocket

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Planners is a great place to start.

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Our live round is going to kick off May 13

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and run through the 26th, and I'm actually

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doing something brand new and

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experimental in my business this time.

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And instead of hosting live calls, I'm

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going to be offering asynchronous

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support inside the course shell.

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So if you enroll in publish with purpose,

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you'll get access to everything

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included in our live rounds every year.

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And you'll also get access to

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our pocket planner round again.

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That starts May 13, where you'll have

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group community support and comments

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right inside the course shell.

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And you'll also get two weeks of one on

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one support from me via email, which makes

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it super simple for varying schedules.

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So let's go ahead and jump into what we're

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gonna be discussing today, and then at the

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end, I'll come back and tell you a little

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bit more about our pocket plan around

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if you're interested in joining.

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So if you're brand new to me, I wanna

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briefly touch on my publishing experience.

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So I've actually went through a

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traditional publisher and then I've

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decided to go the self

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publishing route as well.

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So in 2017, I was actually reached out to

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by a publisher and I had a blog post

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that went semi viral on Pinterest.

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I think around the time it had like 10,000

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repins, and they worked with me to turn

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one of my popular blog posts into a

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guided journal called 100 Life Challenges.

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So the way that this worked is they paid

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me upfront to create it and they licensed

3:48

my work, and in return, I got the book

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into Barnes and Noble on the in caps

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targets around the country, chapters in

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Canada, as well as it

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was available on Amazon.

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This was really, really cool. It was fun to see my book all over the

4:04

place, and there definitely were some pros

4:09

and cons of going through

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a traditional publisher.

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So the pros were that I had this entire

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design team that took my work and turned

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it into this gorgeous, gorgeous journal.

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It had watercolor interior pages.

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Everything looks super, super great. It wasn't something with my current design

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skill set that I could

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have produced myself.

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I also had editors that reviewed all of my

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work and helped me with

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spelling and grammar errors.

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They also were people that I could go back and forth with on a couple of the

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different sections that I wrote, and it

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was nice to be paid

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upfront for my work, right.

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So I gained visibility and credibility by

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having my journal on the end caps

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in Barnes and Noble nationwide.

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And it was a really,

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really fun experience.

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But there were a couple cons. I had little creative control

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or input into the design.

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Now, I loved what they came up with, but

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there definitely were some moments where I

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was like, oh, it'd be cool to do

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this, or it'd be cool to do that.

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And I didn't have much control over

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kind of like those bigger decisions.

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I also wasn't going to see any recurring

5:11

revenue from that joint venture, right.

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So they. The way that we worked through the

5:15

contract was that they were paying me that

5:19

upfront amount and then I wouldn't

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be seeing recurring revenue.

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At the time, this was something

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I was fine with, right.

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Because I was like an

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unknown author, right?

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So getting my book into

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Barnes and Noble was huge.

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I also. I think this is the biggest con, and this

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is common within the publishing industry,

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but I had no control over

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the publishing timeline.

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So it took over a year to go from that

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final draft of the journal that I wrote to

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actually having that

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physical product in stores.

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And we never. I never really had, like, a hard deadline

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or a hard date of when it

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would be physically in stores.

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In fact, I had people dm me on Instagram

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saying they saw my journal

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in Canada before I even knew

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that it was live and there.

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So those were some of the pros and cons. I would say that it was absolutely an

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amazing experience and I

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would definitely do it again.

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But when I thought about creating my own

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planner, I knew that

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I wanted more control.

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So that is really what led

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me into self publishing.

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I wanted to create, you know, my

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version of the perfect planner.

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I wanted that creative control. I wanted to see that recurring revenue

6:25

from my product, and I wanted to create a

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resource for my community, students, and

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clients that would help help them

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be more mindfully productive.

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And with that, creative control meant that

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I could put so much more in that planner.

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Right.

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You know, QR codes with links to things,

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my website, my photo

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links to my podcast episodes.

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Or I could create all

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these different resources.

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That wasn't really possible if I was

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going through a publisher, right.

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You're going to be limited on all the specific things that you

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want to put and include.

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Now, keep in mind that the first time I

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self published my own

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planner, it was 2018.

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So it was a whole different decade. It was a different time, and there

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weren't as many resources available.

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So a lot of things got really tricky.

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Canva was not what it was today.

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And I remember people telling me, you're nuts if you're going to try

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and create a planner in canva.

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Nowadays, they even have

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their own templates available.

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Editing tools are so much easier. But at the time, it took a lot of tedious

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work to get those specific

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lines detailed out in my pages.

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Right?

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So I got to work during 2018, and I was

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trying to figure out this whole process,

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and I ran into a lot of snags, right.

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I was really excited to get it out. And because I had control of the

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timeline, I was working fast, right.

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I was doing a lot of talk on Instagram and

7:39

getting a lot of reach to my followers,

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talking about, hey, I'm creating a planner. So I included them in the process and had

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a pretty sizable waitlist of people that

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were interested in buying this planner.

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So I wanted to get it out to market as quickly as possible, and

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I ordered my first proof.

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And to my horror, I

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found tons of mistakes.

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I ended up ordering four proofs throughout

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that process because there were so many

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things I wasn't aware of in terms of

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formatting and margins and

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all those kinds of things.

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And so I could have definitely, had I

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slowed down just a little bit, I could

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have, you know, avoided those things.

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But at the end of the day, through trial

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and error, I had created and self

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published my first planner, and it had

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only cost me $50 after licensing

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some graphics for the COVID And I think

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I spent about $40 ordering the proof.

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So that was the biggest expense there.

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Now, there are a bunch of different

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platforms that you can use for self

8:42

publishing, and we'll talk

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about those briefly in a minute.

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But before we dive into, you

8:46

know what I still recommend?

8:49

Why, I still recommend using

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Kindle direct publishing.

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I wanted to touch a little bit

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on the planner publishing market.

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Right? Like, is it still worth investing your

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time and energy and resources into

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publishing a planner right now with

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the current state of the market?

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So about a year ago, I'm a

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frequenter of craft stores.

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So I live here in the United States. And, you know, I go to

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Michael's, I go to Joann Fabrics.

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And for a long time, those were central

9:13

places to go to buy planners, planner

9:20

accessories, planner

9:20

stickers, you name it.

9:23

There were travelers

9:23

journals, travelers notebooks.

9:27

Happy planner was something that had a

9:29

huge stranglehold on me

9:29

through those different places.

9:32

But last year, I noticed for the first

9:35

time in close to a decade that

9:35

Michaels stopped selling planners.

9:40

They pulled their own recollections,

9:40

planners that they used to sell.

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And a lot of the different sticker books

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that they had through craftsmith

9:46

were no longer producing stickers.

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So there are a lot of different collaborations with different brands,

9:53

independent sticker creators that were

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using these bigger vendors

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to mass produce the stickers.

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And ThEn MICHAEl's was obviously, you

10:02

know, contracting with them and having

10:06

them in stores, and I noticed they weren't selling them. So I kind of Went on this deep dive.

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I went through a bunch of different

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Reddit threads on planner vendors.

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I actually was able to reach out to

10:18

craftsmith directly and ask them, hey,

10:18

like, are you still creating, you know,

10:22

planner stickers with

10:22

these different artists?

10:25

And they said, you know, no,

10:25

unfortunately, that's ended.

10:27

The demand has kind of been shut off in

10:27

terms of what Michael's and Joann's are

10:32

wanting in their stores and

10:32

on, in their storefronts.

10:35

So I think it's interesting because

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the demand for, obviously, Michael's,

10:40

Joann's, this is just one

10:40

sector of the industry, right?

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And it's specific to the United States. But they obviously made that

10:45

decision for a specific reason.

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I wasn't able to reach

10:47

out and talk to their CEO.

10:50

So I don't have the exact reasons why.

10:53

They've obviously pivoted and they're

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leaning more back into craft

10:55

type things, scrapbooking.

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I do see them bringing in some junk

10:59

journaling type things again a little bit

11:03

more now, but they definitely

11:03

don't have the planner.

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I mean, they used to have at least two different aisles directly

11:07

devoted to planners specifically.

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So I'm curious why that ended. Right. But what I have noticed is a huge shift

11:13

in terms of consumerism with planners.

11:18

So where a lot of people used to go into

11:18

the stores, I think, you know, the

11:22

pandemic 2020 absolutely

11:22

probably impacted this a lot too.

11:26

But people are now buying more specific

11:26

planners and they're buying them online

11:31

and they're buying them from places like

11:31

Hobonichi, which is a japanese planner.

11:35

And that's huge.

11:35

I buy those every single year.

11:38

They're amazing. You know, the Tamarind paper, if you

11:39

know, you know, it's just wonderful.

11:42

But I'm also seeing other things

11:42

happening, like Sterling Inc.

11:45

So Catherine, who runs that company, she's

11:48

got the way that she does her business model. She's got a Facebook group

11:50

of over 10,000 people.

11:53

And she creates her own planners

11:53

through a vendor, I think, overseas.

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And so she's right. There's a bunch of over

12:00

upfront costs for all of those things.

12:05

So those are some of the things I'm seeing happening. I'm also seeing companies like

12:07

Shine Sticker Company, who I love.

12:11

They're super cute, kawhi style stickers.

12:14

They used to work with craftsmith and they

12:16

had some of their stickers in

12:16

books right through Michaels.

12:22

I can't think of. I think wonton in a million

12:23

is another sticker company.

12:27

She's a designer that

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also worked with them.

12:30

You used to see all these kinds of planner

12:32

specific stickers in those

12:32

stores and now you don't.

12:35

But what you do see are a lot of

12:35

people specifically buying direct.

12:40

So people are buying direct

12:40

through these different providers.

12:43

You're also seeing, I think Joanne and

12:43

Michael still sells a couple different

12:49

happy planners, but happy Planner has

12:49

really leaned into their online store.

12:54

So they are selling direct online.

12:57

And I'd be so curious to

12:57

look at their numbers.

13:00

But that's what we're seeing in

13:00

the planner industry specifically.

13:04

And with, you know, personal planners, I

13:07

think people are also looking

13:07

for very specific things.

13:10

So it's actually a really exciting time

13:12

for people that are interested, right,

13:12

like you, in self publishing, because

13:17

people are not going for as

13:17

generic of things anymore.

13:21

People are looking for very specific

13:21

planners for very specific things.

13:25

And now that people are creating those

13:25

very specific niches, there's more

13:32

specific actions than

13:32

that people can take.

13:34

So it's a really exciting time, again, to

13:34

self publish and create something unique

13:40

to a specific market that

13:40

you're catering to now.

13:43

Again, there are a bunch of different

13:43

ways that you can self publish.

13:46

Right. I mentioned Kindle direct publishing. We'll dive back into why I

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love them so much in a moment.

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But you can also go through

13:50

companies like Ingramspark, Lulu.

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There's a couple other ones that

13:56

will do the whole process for you.

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If you want to spend a good chunk of money, there are companies that will help

14:02

you design market, you know, all those

14:07

things, but obviously those

14:07

come with a bigger upfront cost.

14:11

The one reason that, why I don't

14:11

personally use or recommend Ingramspark is

14:15

they have a pretty, what I

14:15

consider a bigger barrier to entry.

14:20

Now, they typically charge around $50 for

14:20

you to even produce a title through them.

14:26

So basically create a book

14:26

in your bookshelf online.

14:30

There.

14:30

I know that every now and then they'll do

14:32

promotions where they'll waive that fee,

14:32

but then there's all these hidden fees.

14:36

So you'll find things like it's

14:36

dollar 25 to make a revision.

14:39

So if you publish, you know, if you get

14:42

your planner up there and it's uploaded,

14:42

you've created your manuscript pages, your

14:46

cover, and then you

14:46

find there's a mistake.

14:49

If you catch it within, I think, 30 days

14:51

or something, you can change it for free,

14:51

but you're limited on how many times.

14:55

And then after that it's a $25 fee

14:55

for every change you want to make.

14:58

That just feels. And there's a lot of different other fees.

15:01

If you go into the Facebook communities

15:01

around some of these self publishing

15:06

companies too, you can find all

15:06

the grievances that people have.

15:10

And hey, that doesn't mean

15:10

that KDP doesn't have them too.

15:13

Of course there's pros and cons to

15:13

every single service that you may use.

15:17

But what I found is that I really love

15:17

that KDP takes away all those barriers.

15:23

So there's really no barrier to entry.

15:26

It's free to use and create an account.

15:28

With KDP, you don't have to.

15:30

There's no overhead cost. So because you're printing on demand,

15:31

the only thing you're really paying for,

15:36

right, is like when you want a proof copy

15:36

or something like that, or when you want

15:39

to order a copy of your

15:39

journal or planner.

15:41

I also love that you don't have to worry

15:43

about point of sale taxes

15:43

or inventory or shipping.

15:47

And the other thing that's great about KDP

15:47

is that there's no monthly sellers fees.

15:51

So if you were to sell your own product on

15:51

Amazon, you would need to have an Amazon

15:56

seller's account and you would need,

15:56

excuse me, to pay a monthly fee to list

16:01

and sell your products

16:01

through Amazon, right?

16:03

But if you do publish through KDP, you get

16:06

your planner listed right on

16:06

Amazon for free and it stays there.

16:11

And so it finds it, you know, it

16:11

finds its way into search engines.

16:15

And depending on your keyword research and

16:18

all of those things, your planner

16:18

can show up on Google results.

16:22

And obviously in the Amazon

16:22

search engine as well.

16:25

The other thing I really love about kindle direct publishing is

16:27

it's worldwide, right?

16:30

So you've got Amazon facilities all around

16:30

the globe and people can order from all

16:35

different types of countries and locations

16:35

and, and get your journal or planner, you

16:40

know, if they have prime, they can

16:40

get it, you know, within two days.

16:43

You also can order your own author

16:43

copies of your journal at cost.

16:48

So let's say you had a

16:48

planner that sold for $22.

16:51

You could possibly, depending

16:51

on how many pages it is, right?

16:54

You could order your own author copies of

16:56

that for a fraction of

16:56

the cost, three to $4.

16:59

And then you could give them

16:59

out to students, to clients.

17:04

You could use that within some of your

17:06

services that you may offer,

17:06

and you can also resell them.

17:09

So you own the full

17:09

rights to that planner.

17:12

So a lot of times I'll have students, you

17:14

know, that will buy bulk purchases

17:14

of their, of their planner.

17:19

They'll buy author copies and then they'll resell them, or, well, they're not

17:20

reselling them, but they'll sell them at,

17:25

you know, at events that they

17:25

go to or things like that.

17:27

So it just becomes a really

17:27

cool resource for you.

17:30

And it's so much less expensive than if

17:33

you were to do the overhead cost of going

17:33

through a distributor and having to order,

17:38

you know, like a minimum of a thousand

17:38

copies or something like that.

17:41

One of the biggest questions I get about

17:41

self publishing is do I need an ISBN,

17:46

which is an identifier number in the book

17:46

industry, that it's what libraries use.

17:52

It's what wholesalers

17:52

use, bookstores, right?

17:54

Like if you have an ISBN, then you can

17:54

look up that book and you know what it is.

17:59

So the way that Amazon works is it's

17:59

changed over the years, but Amazon will

18:05

give you a free ASiN, which is an

18:05

Amazon standard identification number.

18:10

And so basically that means that you still

18:13

get an identifier number, but that's not

18:13

something that's recognized in bookstores.

18:17

And so one question I get from a lot of

18:17

students is, well, is this a bad thing?

18:22

I will tell you firsthand that I have not yet bought ISBN specifically

18:24

for my journals and planners.

18:27

In the future, I probably will. If you do want to buy ISBN's, you can, and

18:32

you can use them on your journals and

18:32

planners that you self publish through

18:36

Amazon, but you want to make sure that

18:36

you're going through a reputable company.

18:40

Specifically, I recommend going through Bowker, B o w K E R because that is the

18:42

unofficial place where you can get ISBN

18:49

numbers and please buy

18:49

more than one at a time.

18:52

You're going to spend about $125, I think

18:55

it is, for one ISBN number versus you

18:55

can spend 500 and get 100 of them.

19:01

So it's actually cheaper

19:01

to buy them in bulk.

19:04

But yes, you can use your

19:04

own ISBN's through KDP.

19:08

And when you do that, you get a couple additional features that you

19:10

don't get with low content books.

19:15

So one of the biggest changes that Amazon

19:15

has made in the past year or so is that

19:22

all books that you publish through

19:22

them used to get that ASIN number.

19:26

And now if you create something called a

19:26

low content book, because we've seen a lot

19:31

of people are creating notebooks

19:31

on Amazon, which is fine, right?

19:34

But there's kind of been this flood of

19:34

people uploading hundreds and hundreds of

19:39

books every week with different covers

19:39

and just lined pages or dot grids, right?

19:45

So Amazon was like, cool,

19:45

you know, that's fine.

19:48

We're not going to take that away, which is a good thing, but we want to

19:49

recategorize what that looks like.

19:53

So now if your book does have repetitive

19:55

pages, you need to classify

19:55

it as a low content book.

19:59

And low content books do not

19:59

get a free Amazon Asin number.

20:04

This isn't necessarily

20:04

a bad thing, though.

20:06

It's still going to turn

20:06

up on search results.

20:09

Nothing's going to change to

20:09

how you get to market your book.

20:13

All that really changes is on the back of

20:15

your book where you would see

20:15

that ISBN number and barcode.

20:18

You then have a different

20:18

one for the low content book.

20:23

So it also does change

20:23

a couple other things.

20:29

In terms of your listing, you're not

20:29

eligible for the look inside feature,

20:34

which is if you're on a computer,

20:34

this doesn't work on your phone.

20:37

But if you're on your computer and you

20:37

click on a book on Amazon, there's often

20:42

that look inside thing where you can look

20:42

inside and see like preview pages that is

20:46

available if you have an ISBN, but it's

20:46

not available for low content books.

20:52

Again, I don't see this as an issue

20:52

because I typically recommend you already

20:56

have another sales page for

20:56

your journal or planner.

20:59

You're talking about it on social media, right? You're talking about it on blog posts.

21:02

And those are places where you

21:02

can showcase the interior pages.

21:06

You can have photos, all of those things.

21:09

Amazon also offers something called a

21:12

content, which you can

21:12

use with anything asans.

21:15

You can also use it with low content books

21:18

where you're able to upload

21:18

what they call a plus content.

21:21

So that's photos that appear in your

21:21

Amazon listing below the description.

21:25

So really, even though there's a couple

21:28

differences in what's available to you,

21:28

it's really not that big of a deal.

21:33

So just wanted to point that out because a

21:35

lot of people do have questions about that. Again, I have never purchased

21:37

ISBN's for my journals or planners.

21:41

They still sell really well. People have never noticed a difference.

21:45

And it's not something that I would freak

21:48

out about if that's something that you're

21:48

worried about in terms of getting started.

21:52

When you're creating your planner, it can be easy also to get hung up on all

21:54

the esthetic parts of it, right?

21:59

I have a lot of people that will send me

21:59

messages like, well, does Amazon let you

22:02

do spiral bound or flat

22:02

lay or all these things?

22:06

And the answer is no. There are hardcover options now for

22:09

specific sizes of books

22:09

that you may create.

22:11

But remember, the value of your journal or

22:11

planner you create isn't the actions that

22:16

you're helping your students

22:16

or your readers take, right?

22:19

When there are fewer things to do, it

22:19

becomes easier for them to take action.

22:23

And when you create a journal or planner,

22:23

you're creating a specific structure and

22:27

you're giving them a template

22:27

within your pages to take action.

22:31

So you'll waste time and energy trying to

22:34

create something with everything

22:34

in it or something for everyone.

22:38

And it's one of the reasons why

22:38

inside publish with purpose, really.

22:41

We go through my journal niche formula and

22:44

I tell you how you can take a clear focus

22:44

that's gonna make it easier to create and

22:49

make those decisions as

22:49

you create your planner.

22:51

And it's gonna make it easier to market.

22:54

This is also gonna help you when it comes to things like keyword research, promo

22:56

materials, decisions on what to include

23:00

and what to exclude or

23:00

provide in other resources.

23:04

So the clearer your focus, the clearer and

23:04

easier it's gonna be to make these

23:08

decisions, not only in the creation

23:08

process, but also later in your marketing.

23:13

Using KDP also taps you right into a

23:13

search engine that you're not going to see

23:18

using other self publishing,

23:18

you know, vendors.

23:22

So automatically your book's

23:22

listed on Amazon, right?

23:24

And therefore it's in that Amazon search

23:28

engine, which millions of people

23:28

are going to every single day.

23:32

So that's huge benefit to

23:32

having your planner on there.

23:35

And Amazon is also a trusted

23:35

place where people are.

23:39

It's easier for people to

23:39

make those decisions, right?

23:41

It's easier for people to

23:41

add something to their cart.

23:44

It's not a website they've

23:44

never been to before.

23:47

So there's that trust factor and there's

23:49

also that search factor, which is huge in

23:49

people finding your journal or planner.

23:54

So let's take a minute to talk about

23:54

pocket planners, what they are.

23:58

I've got 22 pocket planner ideas to share

23:58

with you to inspire your creative brain.

24:04

And we can talk about how this

24:04

can look in your business.

24:07

Because creating a planner is a great

24:07

visibility tool for your business.

24:12

It's also a great resource to create for

24:14

your community, and it can

24:14

work in several different ways.

24:17

So a planner can serve as kind of the

24:17

front end part of your business, where

24:22

maybe it's something that people discover

24:22

before they really know about you.

24:26

So either they hear about it

24:26

on a podcast or a blog post.

24:30

It can also be a great way to market

24:30

yourself going on a podcast specifically

24:34

to talk about your journal or

24:34

planner and what it's used for.

24:38

But they find that planner, they buy it on

24:38

Amazon, and then they have a physical copy

24:42

of something from you and

24:42

from there they can use it.

24:46

See the benefit in what you're teaching them, what you're showing them how to do,

24:47

what you're giving them on a daily basis.

24:51

And then you can have resources in that journal or planner that lead them to

24:53

the next step in your ecosystem, right?

24:58

Whether that's following you on social

24:58

media, going and listening to your

25:02

podcast, working with you one on one

25:02

through maybe services or coaching or

25:07

checking out a digital

25:07

product shop, you name it.

25:10

There are so many ways to do that. And that's one of the things so many

25:14

students inside publish with purpose have

25:14

seen success with, is creating that first

25:19

step in the customer journey

25:19

through having a planner.

25:23

It's also something that

25:23

you can use to create.

25:26

If you already sell a course or a

25:26

different product or service, and you want

25:31

something that can help them

25:31

tangibly go through those materials.

25:35

So if you're a coach, for example, or you

25:38

create group programs, it can be a really

25:38

fun thing to create a journal or planner

25:44

or a workbook or a guide that you

25:44

can give to your students as a bonus.

25:50

And this is something that you can have

25:50

available on Amazon to everybody, right?

25:54

And they can buy that journal or planner, and then if they want that additional

25:56

support from you, they can join your

26:00

program or they can just

26:00

use it a la carte by itself.

26:04

But having it as a guidebook that goes

26:07

along with your program is such a cool way

26:07

to up level that experience for people.

26:12

Now, one of the things that we do every

26:14

single year inside of publish with

26:14

purpose is that I run a live round.

26:19

It's a 60 day sprint where we go through

26:19

the entire publish with purpose course and

26:26

we create your signature,

26:26

signature journal or planner.

26:30

This is really fun. This is where people are creating, usually

26:33

kind of like the big thing

26:33

that they want to create.

26:36

It's a really fun experience for people

26:38

that have never put something

26:38

out onto the Internet before.

26:41

It's huge, right? And I love doing that.

26:44

Every single year we have students

26:44

that rejoin every single round.

26:48

And as a student you get lifetime access

26:50

to the course and all

26:50

the live rounds we do.

26:53

But not everyone always feels

26:53

comfortable starting with that process.

26:57

So usually in the spring or so, I like to

27:00

do a pocket planner round where we are

27:00

creating a four by six inch pocket planner

27:07

and you get complete templates

27:07

that walk you through that process.

27:11

So there's the whole published with purpose course and then I have something

27:12

called planner fast tracks where you get

27:16

access to these mini lessons that walk you

27:16

through the canva templates that you can

27:23

use and customize to

27:23

your own pocket planner.

27:27

I give you cover templates and all of that. So really the only decisions that you're

27:31

having to make is what's the

27:31

content I'm putting inside of them?

27:34

And which pages do I

27:34

want to use to get going?

27:36

So it really gives you that jump start. Now, if you're thinking, okay, pocket

27:40

planners sound cool, or maybe like a mini

27:40

affirmations book or something like that,

27:44

but you're wondering what

27:44

this could look like.

27:47

I will have a link below this audio.

27:50

It takes you to a YouTube video where I

27:52

show you a walkthrough of my pocket

27:52

list planner that I've created.

27:56

And you can kind of see like what

27:56

it looks like, what's possible.

27:59

But I also wanted to give you 22 pocket

27:59

planner ideas and I'll just kind of list

28:05

them out and you can see if any

28:05

of these might apply to you.

28:09

So a couple of things that you

28:09

could make are a mini recipe book.

28:14

Also, what's cool about this is if you

28:14

have, you know, like a recipe blog, you

28:18

could have QR codes that

28:18

link people to those recipes.

28:22

Maybe this is something that you test out

28:22

to see, like what the interest is leading

28:26

up to a bigger recipe

28:26

book that you create.

28:29

You could also use this as something

28:29

to take to publishers later.

28:34

If you're trying to work with a big

28:36

publisher to get a bigger recipe book or

28:36

cookbook created, you could be like, hey,

28:40

well, here's the

28:40

pocketbook that I created.

28:42

And so it just gives you a little bit

28:42

more leverage in things that you're doing.

28:46

You could create a tarot tracker or card

28:46

pull guidebook and this could be fun too.

28:52

You could actually use this in a way if

28:54

you wanted to create your own tarot deck

28:54

but didn't want to do the upfront costs.

28:58

You could even have tarot

28:58

cards in the book on the pages.

29:02

And then people could kind of, like, you

29:02

could have different ways of people either

29:06

randomly flipping through the book or

29:06

choosing a number one through whatever,

29:10

and that would be the tarot

29:10

card that they choose.

29:13

You could create a mini guide

29:13

to go along with your podcast.

29:16

I've thought about doing this

29:16

a ton of different times.

29:19

You could have quotes from your podcast. You could have, you know, little

29:21

insights from some of your guests.

29:25

There's so many fun things you could do. You could create a holiday

29:27

checklist and festivities guide.

29:31

So maybe there's something

29:31

that you like to do every year.

29:35

You know, it could be around any holiday,

29:35

and you could make it like a local

29:40

guidebook or something like that,

29:40

or specific to your own traditions.

29:44

You could create a supplemental,

29:44

supplemental planner to take on the go.

29:49

So maybe you have a bigger planning system

29:53

that you walk people through on your

29:53

website or in your business, and you want

29:58

to have something that kind

29:58

of is in addition to that.

30:01

You could create a quote book or a mantra

30:04

reminders book with just a

30:04

bunch of different quotes.

30:07

You could use art that you either license

30:07

or create and have that in there as well.

30:13

You could create a mini mindfulness

30:16

journal, and this could have all

30:16

different kinds of prompts in it.

30:20

You could create a book of writing

30:20

prompts or journal prompts.

30:23

So I know that there's a lot of journaling

30:23

coaches out there and people that are

30:29

helping people dive into

30:29

their journaling process.

30:32

So this could be a book of prompts that people can take with them to use

30:34

in their own journals or planners.

30:37

You could create a wedding

30:37

planning checklist.

30:40

So a checklist that people could take with

30:42

them, and there could be different sections. You know what to think about when you're

30:46

going to the bakery or

30:46

you're looking for a cake.

30:48

All the different considerations, just

30:50

little checklists of questions to ask,

30:50

all those things could be super helpful.

30:55

You could create a fun coupon book

30:55

with different coupons for things.

30:59

I actually had a student let me, I

30:59

actually have it right next to me.

31:03

Create a pocket permission slip book.

31:07

So this is by Kelly Covert.

31:09

And she created the enoughness planner,

31:13

and then she went along and created

31:13

this pocketbook to go with it.

31:17

It's called give yourself permission pocket permission slips for

31:19

self care and compassion.

31:22

And the way she did this

31:22

is she created her pages.

31:26

And then she's got a dotted

31:26

line down half the page.

31:29

She's got different permission

31:29

slips that people can cut out.

31:32

I thought this was so cool. And then she's also got a place for, like,

31:36

the date and the signature

31:36

and all these different permissions.

31:40

I give myself permission to be imperfect, to dream big, to cry, to

31:42

sleep in, you name it.

31:46

So this could also be something that's really cool as a mother's

31:48

day gift as well.

31:50

All right, where are we on the list here?

31:54

So we talked about coupon books. You could create scripts.

31:58

So you could have a book of scripts for

31:58

setting boundaries or just things to say.

32:03

Sometimes this can be really, really helpful if you're someone that struggles

32:04

with coming up with, like, different

32:08

verbal communication

32:08

or, you know, you're just in a different

32:12

difficult situation or

32:12

something like that.

32:15

I love that idea. You could create a puzzle book.

32:19

So there's different sites, including

32:19

creative market, that have different

32:24

little engine creators that you can

32:24

purchase that help you create sudoku

32:29

puzzles or crossword

32:29

puzzles, things like that.

32:32

You could create a mini coloring book.

32:35

If you're an artist that likes to Doodle,

32:37

you could do doodles

32:37

that people can color in.

32:40

You could also utilize different websites

32:40

to license stuff for people to use.

32:45

You could create a guide about

32:45

lessons learned in your niche.

32:49

So be really easy to create a

32:49

little guidebook or pocket planner.

32:53

That's like, maybe it's like 50 things I learned in the first year of business or,

32:55

you know, 25 practices to do before you

33:00

run your first marathon,

33:00

something like that.

33:03

You could create a cross

33:03

country road trip guide.

33:07

So that would be really fun, actually.

33:09

You could also do it specific to,

33:09

like, state or, you know, specific.

33:15

I'm just thinking, like, specific

33:15

roads that you're having them go on.

33:18

Like, maybe it's like, hey, if you want to go through these states, this whole

33:20

little book will guide you through it.

33:24

You could create a weekly

33:24

planner for introverts.

33:27

So you could have a little pocketbook that

33:27

maybe just has, you know, doesn't

33:32

necessarily have to be the whole year either. You know, you could.

33:34

It could be like a monthly book or a

33:37

quarterly planner with just the

33:37

weeks for things to consider.

33:41

You could create a yearly review practice.

33:44

I love this idea so much. So basically, you could have a pocket

33:45

planner, and maybe it just has different

33:50

prompts and things for you

33:50

to do throughout the year.

33:54

I love that. And then you could create a pocket guide,

33:58

like a pocket study guide

33:58

specifically for stuff.

34:01

So I've had students that

34:01

have created CPA planners.

34:04

You could create something, you know, for

34:07

all kinds of different materials, you

34:07

know, nursing school, any of those things.

34:13

You could create a fill in the blank book

34:13

to exchange with your partner or your mom

34:18

or your parents or your sister

34:18

or your siblings, right.

34:21

So maybe it's something that, you know, people buy two of, and, you know, they

34:22

fill out their answers, and then they

34:28

switch it for, you know, a couple weeks,

34:28

and then everyone writes in the opposing

34:33

answers, and then they

34:33

each have a copy of it.

34:35

You could also create. We just have a couple more here, a

34:36

pet care checklist and vet guide.

34:41

So I've had students that have created therapy companion journals,

34:42

which are awesome.

34:45

Like, not only like, notes from your

34:45

therapy sessions, but then also things to

34:50

consider or journal prompts

34:50

to go through after.

34:53

So you could also have a pet care

34:53

checklist that just keeps track of, you

34:57

know, your pets and everything

34:57

that they're going through.

35:00

I have a bulldog, and she's.

35:02

There's always something going on, right? And sometimes I'm like,

35:03

when did that start? When did she get hives?

35:05

Right? Like, what's going on?

35:08

So having a pocket planner

35:08

for that would be helpful.

35:11

You could also create a household cleaning

35:11

checklist for, say, say, like, ADHD,

35:16

millennials, or

35:16

neurodivergence in general.

35:19

Like, different ideas for

35:19

keeping the house clean.

35:24

Something I really struggle with. And then the last idea I have for you

35:27

today is a memory keeping book

35:27

to throw in a time capsule.

35:31

So it could be something that people fill

35:34

out, and then they throw

35:34

into a time capsule.

35:36

It could be a community one, or it could

35:39

be something, you know,

35:39

specific to the family.

35:42

But again, see how endless

35:42

the possibilities are.

35:45

It just becomes really fun. And when you think about, you

35:46

know, you get to design a cover.

35:51

You get to have this full color cover.

35:53

You can do black and white

35:53

interior or color pages.

35:57

You can create this little pocketbook.

35:57

I mean, it's four by six.

36:00

I'm holding it in my hand right now. It's so mini, it would easily fit in, you

36:05

know, most purses or handbags, and

36:05

it's just something that's so fun.

36:09

It's easy to ship, it's easy to hand out.

36:11

You know, if you went to a conference or an event, it could be

36:13

something that you hand out.

36:15

If you're hosting a conference or, like, a

36:18

summit, it could be something

36:18

that you mail out to attendees.

36:22

Again, the possibilities are endless.

36:25

So that's one of the reasons why I love

36:27

pocket guides, because you kind of have

36:27

this smaller container of space where it's

36:32

like, okay, these are the

36:32

pages I need to fill up.

36:34

It's only four by six, right?

36:34

So it's limited.

36:37

I can't put quite as

36:37

much on each page, right.

36:39

So people can actually read it and it

36:42

just, it becomes kind of the window

36:42

or the gateway to planner publishing.

36:47

And I love that for people because it's

36:47

like once you create one, it's like, oh my

36:52

gosh, I have, I have so many students that

36:52

have created, you know, five, six, seven

36:56

journals or planners because once they

36:56

learn the process and see how easy it is

37:01

and how streamlined it is and, you know,

37:01

when they have access to these canva

37:05

templates that I provide, it

37:05

just makes it that much easier.

37:08

Right.

37:08

So I want to share a little bit more

37:11

details about this pocket

37:11

planner round that I'm hosting.

37:14

Again, we are going to start on May 13 and

37:19

the one on one email support

37:19

from me will run two weeks.

37:23

But that doesn't mean that you lose access

37:26

and you certainly can

37:26

take more time than that.

37:29

But as an incentive for people to kind of

37:29

get it done, I'm also going to be doing an

37:34

email blast with all the pocket planners

37:34

that are created during this round that

37:38

I'm going to be sending out

37:38

towards the end of June.

37:40

So if you create your planner and submit

37:43

it to me by June, I believe it's June 17,

37:43

then that will go out in my email blast

37:48

and I'll be creating a specific blog

37:48

post around all the planners created.

37:52

So that'll be a lot of fun and it's just

37:54

kind of a good way to like

37:54

get the momentum going.

37:57

I know, I always really appreciate that. But inside of our pocket planner round,

37:59

you're going to get access to the entire

38:04

publish with purpose course and I'll go

38:04

over what's included in that momentarily.

38:09

But you're also going to get access to

38:11

this pocket planner fast track where you

38:11

get our Google Doc outline template that

38:17

walks you through questions to consider

38:17

everything that you can create.

38:21

I give you verbiage that you can

38:21

use right inside of your planner.

38:24

You know how to set up the

38:24

copyright, all those kind of things.

38:27

And then you also get our canva templates.

38:31

So you get basically a

38:34

main canva template library with all the

38:34

different pocket planner pages that you

38:39

can use and customize and copy them

38:39

right to your own canva planner template.

38:45

And then I walk you through

38:45

all the things step by step.

38:49

Students have said that these fast

38:49

tracks are incredibly helpful.

38:52

I've had students email me and be like, I

38:52

got my planner done and like up within two

38:56

days because I already know what I wanted to create. And I just took the templates, filled them

38:58

in with what I wanted tweaked a few things

39:03

and then it was so easy to upload

39:03

it right into KDP and get it going.

39:07

So every single step of the process, if

39:07

you're not a tech person, if you haven't

39:12

used canva before, I walk you through all

39:12

those steps in detail, and the videos are

39:17

really concise and short, so it

39:17

feels like you're zooming through it.

39:20

And then if you are someone that has a lot

39:20

of design skills and knowledge and you do

39:24

use canva, you're probably still going to

39:24

learn a lot about the process

39:29

through the tutorials that

39:29

I do have inside the course.

39:32

So again, every fall we run that 60 day

39:35

sprint round and we have live

39:35

calls usually every week.

39:39

Sometimes we change up the formatting of

39:39

what that looks like, but we do offer

39:44

different call times for

39:44

different time zones.

39:47

And I usually pull students before that

39:47

live round starts so we can get a good

39:50

idea of what's going to work for most people. And then we always have replays available.

39:54

But with this pocket planner fast track,

39:54

we're trying something different, like I

39:57

mentioned, and this is going

39:57

to be completely asynchronous.

40:00

So inside of that specific course shell,

40:03

you'll get access to the pocket planner

40:03

fast track, all the templates, and then

40:07

there's also going to be a built in

40:07

community right inside that course shell.

40:10

So we do have a private Facebook group which people use, and you

40:12

can use it for this round.

40:14

But I wanted to try seeing is it more accessible to have the community right

40:16

inside the course so that you can talk to

40:21

me and talk to other students

40:21

and share your ideas.

40:23

So we're testing that out this round and

40:25

then I'm also testing out doing

40:25

this asynchronous support.

40:29

So once you jump into the pocket planner

40:32

fast track course, there will

40:32

be a form for you to fill out.

40:36

You'll be telling me basically

40:36

like, hey, like what are your ideas?

40:39

None of this has to be finalized yet, but

40:39

like, sharing your ideas, telling me about

40:43

yourself, about your business, and

40:43

then that will start our email thread.

40:47

So within 24 hours of getting that from

40:47

you, I'll be sending you an email and then

40:51

we'll be able to go back and forth

40:51

multiple times every day for those two

40:55

weeks and I'll be able to

40:55

support you in that process.

40:59

Some of the things that this might look

40:59

like are, you know, you can ask specific

41:03

questions or get my

41:03

feedback on ideas you have.

41:06

I can help you narrow your focus and I can

41:08

help you, you know, create the vision for

41:08

what this might look like for your entire

41:12

business model, like oh, your pocket

41:12

planner could be this, but it could also

41:15

lead to XYZ, or you could use it this

41:15

way in the next quarter of your business.

41:20

So we'll talk about things like that. You'll also be able to share your canva

41:24

pages with me, and so I can help you

41:24

with formatting if you get stuck.

41:29

And I can also send you loom videos

41:32

walking you through some of those processes. So it's not just text based

41:34

support, it's asynchronous.

41:38

So I'm really excited about this because I

41:38

find that this style of communication

41:42

works really well, especially if we're in

41:42

different time zones and people just have

41:46

different schedules that

41:46

are all over the place.

41:48

So we'll have that, and then we'll also

41:48

still have that community group feature

41:51

for you to share and engage with

41:51

everyone else in the course as well.

41:56

Now, publish with purpose is a

41:58

comprehensive program, so it's not just

41:58

about getting your thing up on KDP.

42:04

I know there's memberships for that, and you obviously don't necessarily need a

42:06

course to figure out how KDP works,

42:10

although I do think it's a little bit

42:10

cumbersome, and students have told me that

42:14

it's just so helpful to have the

42:14

step by step tutorials that I offer.

42:18

But inside of publish with purpose, this

42:20

course is really geared towards helping

42:20

you publish a profitable planner that

42:26

really helps build visibility

42:26

and credibility in your business.

42:30

So we're not just talking about the tech

42:30

side of using Kindle direct publishing.

42:35

We're also getting really clear on what it

42:35

takes for you to create a profitable

42:39

planner and identify a planner with

42:39

specific outcomes and objectives.

42:44

So real quick, I'm going to walk you through the ten modules of the

42:46

entire publish with purpose program.

42:50

You get automatic access to this right

42:50

when you join, so there's no drip content.

42:55

You don't have to wait for

42:55

live rounds to access this.

42:57

You can get started right away, and then

42:57

every time I offer a live sprint round,

43:02

you can get my support on

43:02

what you're working on.

43:05

So in module one of publish with purpose,

43:07

this is where I talk about

43:07

understanding self publishing with KDP.

43:11

So we walk through how to set up your KDP

43:13

account, complete your tax interview, set

43:13

up your dashboard, and navigate the site.

43:18

Makes it a lot more easy than going

43:18

through the KDP help desk in module two.

43:24

This is honestly the most

43:24

fun part, in my opinion.

43:27

This is where we're generating your profitable planner idea, and we're

43:29

identifying your outcomes and objectives.

43:34

In this section, I'll walk you through generating your profitable high value

43:36

journal or planner idea, you'll get a

43:40

workbook and there's also an audio version

43:40

that you can listen to that's going to

43:45

really blow your mind in terms of what's

43:45

possible for your planner creation.

43:49

So if you have an idea now, I guarantee

43:51

you that it's going to be even better

43:51

by the time you go through this module.

43:55

So you can watch this module again or you

43:55

can listen to the private podcast, but

43:59

you'll learn how to identify the outcomes

43:59

and objectives of your journal that will

44:03

help your readers truly facilitate

44:03

that change in their lives.

44:07

In module three, this is where you're

44:07

going to create your journal outline.

44:10

So this is where I provide you with our Google outline template to

44:12

identify your planner structure.

44:16

You'll map out your content and identify

44:18

the key components of your

44:18

planner and page content.

44:22

This is so helpful because

44:22

you don't have to ask.

44:24

Figure out what you don't know. I give you all the

44:25

questions to ask yourself.

44:28

And then again, during our support and

44:28

throughout the year in the Facebook group,

44:32

if you need feedback on this, you can

44:32

grant me access to that document and I

44:36

will send you a loom or post in the

44:36

Facebook group with my feedback.

44:40

In module four, we go through setting up

44:40

your planner in Kindle direct publishing

44:45

and we begin making a copy

44:45

of your canva templates.

44:48

So I told you that we have planner

44:48

templates for the pocket planner.

44:52

We also have a huge planner library of

44:52

templates for an eight by ten planner,

44:57

which is the standard planner size

44:57

that I recommend people create.

45:02

And it's pretty popular

45:02

inside of the course.

45:05

It just becomes a really, it's a good size

45:07

and it's kind of a good size for like a

45:07

desk size planner that you're, that you're

45:11

taking with you, that you have

45:11

in your office or your desk.

45:14

So we'll go in this module, we'll make a

45:14

copy of those fast track templates and

45:21

this includes that canva planner template

45:21

library and all of the COVID design files.

45:27

In module five, we design

45:27

your planner brand board.

45:31

This is really fun. I walk you through designing the planner

45:34

brand board, selecting your colors, fonts,

45:34

give you recommendations on what works

45:38

well together, what doesn't, and how and

45:38

where you can license more design elements

45:44

if that's not something that's

45:44

like in your wheelhouse.

45:47

In module six, we go through formatting

45:49

and design tutorials inside of

45:49

both canva and Apple keynote.

45:53

It's so fun using both of these and

45:56

canva's just adding

45:56

more stuff all the time.

45:58

So it's really cool to jump in there.

46:00

And more often than not students are

46:00

like, did you know Canva can do this now?

46:03

Like I can't even keep up with all

46:03

the updates that canva is creating.

46:08

So we create with canva and Apple keynote,

46:08

I show you fun and easy ways to design and

46:13

format your interior pages and quick

46:13

tricks for streamlining the process.

46:19

In module seven, this is where we finalize

46:19

decisions and your design files so you

46:24

don't have to be stuck

46:24

with planner decisions.

46:27

Oftentimes, you know, people are so close

46:30

to publishing it, but then it's

46:30

like ah, should I have this?

46:32

Should I not, should I use a pen name?

46:34

Should it, you know, should I do this? How should I market it?

46:37

In this module, we walk through what those

46:39

key and crucial decisions are and

46:39

I help you, excuse me, navigate it.

46:44

And then we wrap up and finalize your planner content, the design, the

46:45

keywords, categories and the description.

46:50

In module eight, this is where we're

46:50

outlining your launch and marketing plan.

46:55

So we'll use the launch templates and

46:55

swipe pile files that I've provided you to

47:00

create your unique marketing and

47:00

launch plan for your planner.

47:05

By the way, for our pocket planner round,

47:05

I've also created a canva website template

47:11

for you that you can plug and play and

47:11

customize for your own pocket planner.

47:15

So if you're someone that doesn't have a website yet or you don't use something

47:17

like lead pages for landing pages, I've

47:22

created a template that

47:22

you can use in canva.

47:24

It's so cool that you can do that now

47:24

and I walk you through that process.

47:28

In module nine, this is where we go

47:28

through post publishing processes.

47:34

So usually after our round, this is kind

47:37

of the last two modules

47:37

that you'll go through.

47:40

And that is, you know, from ordering

47:40

proofs and author copies in KDP to sales

47:45

reporting and creating your author

47:45

profile, we'll walk through these steps

47:48

together and you'll be a planner

47:48

publishing pro in no time.

47:52

And then last but not least, in module

47:54

ten, this is where we go through creating

47:54

epic content for recurring journal sales.

47:59

So in our last module we'll go over

47:59

journal photography tools and ideas.

48:04

I'll share swipe copy for ongoing journal

48:06

and planner promotions, and I'll walk you

48:06

through prompts I've designed that will

48:10

have your audience flocking

48:10

to your planner over and over.

48:14

One big misconception that a lot of people

48:17

have is that you publish your planner and

48:17

in that publishing window, like the first

48:22

time it's live on Amazon, that's the only

48:22

time that you can promote your planner.

48:26

And then if you don't do a huge

48:26

launch lead up to it, then that's it.

48:30

Like if you don't make a ton of sales, that first, you know, 48 hours,

48:32

you're done for and that's it.

48:36

But that's not true at all. Publishing your planner requires ongoing

48:38

content marketing to that planner, right?

48:44

Like you don't just throw something out there and then hope for sales and then

48:46

walk away if nothing happens, right?

48:49

So in our course, we go over different

48:51

strategies for kind of relaunching your

48:51

planner over and over again and creating

48:57

recurring content, evergreen content that

48:57

can lead people to your journal or planner

49:01

so that you can have those

49:01

more evergreen type sales.

49:05

So again, our pocket planner round

49:05

is going to kick off on May 13.

49:11

I love to have you join.

49:13

You can find full details of the program

49:13

as well as get access to our payment plan

49:19

and all of those details by

49:19

heading on over to publishaplanner.

49:24

com/enroll.

49:26

I do have a special pricing offer

49:26

during this enrollment period.

49:30

If you join by, I believe it's May 12.

49:34

I can't remember the exact date, but definitely head on over

49:35

there and check it out.

49:38

And then if you do have questions about

49:38

the course, about pocket planners or

49:42

planners in general,

49:42

feel free to email me.

49:45

You can email hit reply to any of the

49:48

emails you've been getting about this,

49:48

or you can reach out to me on Instagram.

49:51

I'm @SarahSteckler.

49:53

That's usually where I hang out the most.

49:55

So thank you so much for listening to our

49:55

litter little planner debrief about what's

50:01

going on, what I recommend, and what we

50:01

have coming up with publish with purpose.

50:06

I'm super excited to see what

50:06

people are going to be creating.

50:11

I know a couple of my students have already told me their ideas, so I'm so

50:12

excited to see those things come to life

50:17

and I would love to support

50:17

you in this process.

50:20

So if you're thinking about publishing a

50:20

planner and you want that support and you

50:23

want all the templates,

50:23

then come join us again.

50:26

Head on over to publishaplanner.

50:28

com enroll and I hope to see you then.