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morning delivery and we're excited to

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talk to you for the next

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hour so as we discussed the

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latest in mixed martial arts including

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USC on ESPN 64 which took

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place in Mexico City Mexico and

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we have some news obviously to

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catch up from this past week

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and a special treat two interviews

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we got Dan Hardy the outlaw

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a former U of C welterweight

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title challenger in the U of

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C now he match makes and

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commentates for professional fighting

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professional fighters league

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also Jesus Panado a

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2023 featherweight champion for

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their back in the day regular

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season and playoffs now they

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call them tournaments he sat out

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last year but uh He did

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win in

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2023, so

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I'm sure

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he's anxious

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to get

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with it

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in 2025.

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All right,

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we'll be right

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back to start

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the show. Ain't

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no way Mexico's

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gonna let us

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down. A. They're

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Mexico. And B. Back to

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back weeks. Look. Got to give

1:52

the U.S.C. their due. They have the

1:55

ability of just putting

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on great shows, compelling matches. of

1:59

new stars are born, they just have

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a huge platform. It seems important. Even

2:03

when I don't know the names, I

2:06

tune in and then I come out

2:08

going, hey, now I'm a fan or

2:10

I'm gonna have to remember this guy

2:12

or gal or whatever. I think that's

2:15

what some of the other organizations need.

2:17

Like, it doesn't feel as important sometimes,

2:19

but it's the same match of just

2:21

two unknowns, but here we go. You

2:24

know, like it's a little harder for

2:26

them to gain traction. You ever notice

2:28

that? Yeah. Yeah, I do. This card

2:30

was weird, man, because at the start

2:33

of it, you know, if you look

2:35

at it, there's not a lot of

2:37

numbers next to the names that were

2:40

involved. You lose Calvin Gasolome, Joe Piper,

2:42

who by the way, never wants to

2:44

go back to Mexico now. It's a

2:47

shithole according to him. Yeah. So you

2:49

think, okay, well, this can only get

2:51

worse, right? We lost a major fight.

2:53

But even in the fights that you

2:56

could say didn't matter, right? Like there

2:58

were guys that just weren't ranked or

3:00

those guys made it feel like it

3:03

was must see TV. So did the

3:05

fans. They made you feel like you

3:07

had to watch this or something important

3:09

going on. And to be fair, there

3:12

was something very important going on that

3:14

day. March Madness was going on. Baseball's

3:16

kicking up. And the fights were tremendous.

3:19

I thought they were really, really good.

3:21

I thought the main event wasn't the

3:23

greatest fight of all time. But again,

3:26

the fans made you feel like you

3:28

couldn't miss it. And that's what I

3:30

think was lacking the week before. So

3:32

overall, adding the fact that I barely

3:35

just realized this, but Laura made Mexican

3:37

food. So I mean, Mexico was on

3:39

point this weekend. Big time. I got

3:42

a confession to make. The other day

3:44

we went to Whitbies. and Juliet even

3:46

had some chill Achilles feel like she

3:49

didn't on Laura. But she was just

3:51

tempted by it and so she had

3:53

it and it was pretty good, you

3:55

know, yeah. Obviously better done here, but

3:58

We hadn't had it in a long

4:00

time. So or she had I don't

4:02

want to lose to a place called

4:05

Whidbies, right? No, not Whimpees Whidbies. Yeah,

4:07

Whidbies or whatever the hell it's called.

4:09

Yeah, that is a weird name. All

4:12

right, so Here's the thing man Let's

4:14

talk about the main event you brought

4:16

it up. Yes, you're right at times.

4:18

They fought for 25 minutes And I'd

4:21

say, if you probably really pick up,

4:23

you know, you have a Star Watch,

4:25

it just seemed like 20 minutes of

4:28

touching, you know, and sparring, kickboxing, maybe

4:30

some attempts to grapple or things like

4:32

that, but then there were some moments

4:35

where you could hear the, I don't

4:37

know if it was their production, what

4:39

they did in that arena, you were

4:41

hearing the boom. Boom, kicks to the

4:44

body, kicks being blocked by a couple

4:46

of forms, shots getting, hey, you know,

4:48

because Brandon stole on his jaw a

4:51

few times. A lot of this was

4:53

early on, but Ursig wouldn't go away.

4:55

And then Ursig started to put things

4:57

together a little bit. And when I

5:00

started kind of watching Ursig, I noticed,

5:02

you know, this guy's not a bad

5:04

boxer himself. Yeah, he throws really, really

5:07

great punches. He was a bigger dude

5:09

and he's stand up. a little more

5:11

straight up, whereas Brandon's kind of like

5:14

lower, you know, but both guys are

5:16

protecting their chin with one of their

5:18

shoulders. Like they have really really good

5:20

techniques. It was fun to watch, but

5:23

boy, I'll tell you what, and I

5:25

know this sounds contradictory. This was one

5:27

time where I kind of wish they

5:30

had flashed the score, because that little

5:32

mystery is fun, right? But then when

5:34

they go four one across the board,

5:37

you're like, you know, you know. I

5:39

don't know. That part was a little

5:41

frustrating I guess because I thought it

5:43

could be two too and I really

5:46

thought... Me too. that round five mattered,

5:48

you know, but in the end it

5:50

appeared that it didn't. I don't, I

5:53

wouldn't say like my time was wasted

5:55

or anything like that. Marino looked good,

5:57

he survived, but I really thought the

6:00

other guy had put just enough pressure

6:02

so that round five mattered and then

6:04

I can come in here glowing, right,

6:06

and say, oh man, in the fourth

6:09

quarter, the game winning drive, you know,

6:11

Marino delivered or whatever, but he kind

6:13

of cruised to the finish line and

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that was that, but I gotta tip

6:18

my hat to Steve Versig. I like

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this walkout song. He's singing along. He's

6:23

from Australia. He probably, honestly, left his

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whole family and his country for about

6:27

a month to acclimate to Mexico. That's

6:29

not an easy task. Like that in

6:32

itself is kind of like a project.

6:34

It's not even a project within in

6:36

your life, you know, where you're moving

6:39

your whole camp, your whole life, and

6:41

you're adapting. And so I took my

6:43

hat to all the fighters for... Going

6:45

through that not not all of them

6:48

went out there for a whole month

6:50

But I have to believe no one

6:52

won less than two weeks Say for

6:55

maybe the Mexicans who are already used

6:57

to it. So I want to get

6:59

that out of the way So her

7:02

sake did get a round of applause

7:04

DC Talk to him And I could

7:06

hear the the Mexican crowd kind of

7:08

giving it up for him, but then

7:11

Brandon's walkout goes was awesome because you

7:13

know he's coming out and then they

7:15

show the angle just as he's coming

7:18

through the tunnel and you could see

7:20

people like going nuts like almost like

7:22

you and I used to not that

7:25

we were ever there in person but

7:27

for one who the Caesar Chavez would

7:29

come out you know like that's a

7:31

special moment you know and they really

7:34

made it a special moment they were

7:36

hanging over the railings just wanting to

7:38

get a high-five and he soaked it

7:41

up and remember this is a guy

7:43

that i think has felt a lot

7:45

of pressure from carrying his country in

7:48

the sport of mixed martial arts he's

7:50

oh two and one going into this

7:52

fight imagine that but he went out

7:54

and delivered and now that monkeys's off

7:57

his back and I can just concentrate

7:59

on trying to pin down Alexandra Pantoja.

8:01

Well, a couple things. I wanted to

8:04

go back and watch it with maybe

8:06

no commentary because I felt like it

8:08

was a lot closer of a fight

8:11

than what the scorecards actually revealed. And

8:13

I felt like at the end of

8:15

the day when Ursa goes back and

8:17

watches that fight, I feel like... Had

8:20

he just maybe put his foot on

8:22

the gas a little bit more, we'd

8:24

be talking about something a little different.

8:27

Now that doesn't mean Brandon Moreno's not

8:29

going to react to him putting his

8:31

foot on the gas. We've seen Brandon

8:34

Moreno kind of, whatever his opponent does,

8:36

he'll mimic him. He goes right to

8:38

their level. So could be that he

8:40

just puts his foot on the gas.

8:43

But I felt like if Ursaig did

8:45

a little bit more that the score

8:47

cards might have been a little different.

8:50

But then I would see people's people's

8:52

scores. And they just seemed so comfortable

8:54

with Brandon Moreno being in the lead.

8:56

And I was like, man, I felt

8:59

like that fight was a lot closer.

9:01

So I'm going to go back and

9:03

rewatch it one more time just to

9:06

make sure. I did like Brandon's defense.

9:08

I thought that was good. I thought

9:10

he threw a few more kicks than

9:13

he normally does. He has this thing

9:15

with his boxing that I wish they

9:17

would kind of clean up a little

9:19

bit. It's... Brandon Moreno. Okay. So it's

9:22

a little telegraphed the way he throws

9:24

his punch kind of like from the

9:26

same angles every time. I think there's

9:29

something he can work on there. But

9:31

he's kind of got that time because

9:33

in a way he is sort of

9:36

in like a no man's land. And

9:38

granted, if you just have like spectacular

9:40

performances, people have no choice but to

9:42

forget. I don't know that this was

9:45

one of those though. Yeah, he does

9:47

need to clean up a few things

9:49

because there was one time when it

9:52

looked like he could have dipped because

9:54

he's kind of crouching over, it looked

9:56

like he could have dipped into a

9:59

shin like Kamaro's one did against Leon

10:01

Edwards. And I want to see him

10:03

try and wrestle a little bit more

10:05

because his Jiu-Jitsu is not bad at

10:08

all. It's actually really, really good. You

10:10

get a fighter down and threaten them,

10:12

you know, that's going to be in

10:15

their head and then that might open

10:17

up your offense. I'd also like to

10:19

see him go to the body a

10:22

little bit more. But like I say,

10:24

I think he was in there knowing

10:26

that there was pressure on him because

10:28

he hadn't done well in Mexico and

10:31

he's had some big opportunities in Mexico

10:33

and he stepped away from the sport.

10:35

And I think a lot of it

10:38

had to do because of the pressure

10:40

of being the first Mexican born fighter

10:42

and you know, probably that tentrology versus

10:44

Figurado must have drained him as well.

10:47

So what I think he did goes

10:49

was. you ever hear of like an

10:51

offensive coordinator probably has what a hundred

10:54

offensive plays 200 offensive plays available to

10:56

him I think he just had like

10:58

these these are the ten I'm gonna

11:01

run you know and I do them

11:03

well and I'm just gonna do it

11:05

and if he can beat them you

11:07

know or if I find myself down

11:10

oh and two then I'll start opening

11:12

up the playbook but I think he

11:14

just wanted to basically you know, just

11:17

get a few things right and work

11:19

on those and let Ursig adapt. The

11:21

nurse adapted too late. I thought Ursig

11:24

took round three. I thought one was

11:26

clear from Reno, two was close. Do

11:28

I got that right? Ursig, one round

11:30

three and I thought Ursig made it

11:33

up, had a chance at four, but

11:35

my scorecard was three, one, Marino, except

11:37

I thought it could be two, two,

11:40

two, you know. and then round five

11:42

was close and then Marino pulled away.

11:44

So, but Erzig wasn't suck and wind.

11:47

I was reading from Moreno so as

11:49

long I'm disappointed, but Erzig had this

11:51

disappointed. pointed look in this face like

11:53

holy cow I had more fuel you

11:56

know maybe I could have pressured or

11:58

I could have I could have done

12:00

a lot of fighters you kind of

12:03

alluded it to it too you know

12:05

he got there early he acclimated he

12:07

did it all right which I agree

12:10

with you is very very hard to

12:12

do just picture when you go on

12:14

vacation after a while like you can't

12:16

wait to get home and you're on

12:19

vacation having fun this dude's putting in

12:21

work you know, in a foreign country

12:23

trying to figure things out, that's very

12:26

difficult. But Steve Versaix needs to figure

12:28

out, because he's not a bad fighter.

12:30

When you watch him, he does some

12:32

good things. He just needs to figure

12:35

out a way to tie it all

12:37

together, to not just be a body

12:39

that the UFC calls on when they

12:42

need. Like he needs to show us

12:44

that he's something special, you know, that

12:46

he can actually contend for a title.

12:49

And that's going to be kind of

12:51

hard to do now, because I think

12:53

this is three straight for him. They

12:55

definitely need to give him a good

12:58

matchup in the next one and he

13:00

has to kind of develop a different

13:02

identity other than the guy they call

13:05

when they need someone. Yeah, and what's

13:07

funny is he kind of did prove

13:09

to us that he can fight for

13:12

a title. He fought for a title

13:14

versus Alexander Pentosia at USC 301 and

13:16

even though he came up short, he

13:18

went the distance with the champ in

13:21

Brazil. I think he had 248-47s, so

13:23

that means he won two rounds from

13:25

two judges. He was in the ball

13:28

game, you know, then Kikehar France lit

13:30

him up. Okay, now, Marino, hey, that's

13:32

not an easy task, man, on the

13:35

road against the former champ who looked

13:37

good against Amir al-Albazi, but he went

13:39

in there and battled, but yeah, you're

13:41

oh and three, your next one's gotta

13:44

be, you gotta really, really get a

13:46

W here. for her sake as far

13:48

as he's concerned. Maybe they pay him

13:51

back, although the last fight was technically

13:53

in Perth when he lost the kayak

13:55

of France and he from Perth which

13:58

is the the western side of Australia

14:00

so Kaikara France came over from New

14:02

Zealand so he kind of did get

14:04

a home game we'll see what's up

14:07

next for him I kind of like

14:09

him I like his nickname I like

14:11

that he resembles kind of like Howard

14:13

Wallowitz were to have an alpha younger

14:15

brother or something like that you know because

14:18

he's a little bit bigger and obviously in

14:20

shape but they kind of have that same

14:22

look a little bit So I'm a fan

14:24

of Astro, I'm a fan of Astro

14:26

Boy. I'm a fan of Marino. I'm

14:28

happy for him that he got the

14:31

win. It paid off for them. The

14:33

Mexican fans are so passionate

14:35

that I love it when they

14:37

do well on the world stage. They

14:39

don't have to win the World Cup,

14:42

but just make it to the round

14:44

of 16 or the final eight or

14:46

you know. when their boxers are holding belts,

14:49

like I like that, you know, and

14:51

an MMA, remember they had what, three

14:53

champions? It was Alexa, Marino, Brandon. Yeah.

14:55

They're the full names. Brandon, Moreno,

14:57

Alexa Grasso, and Yaire Rodriguez was an

15:00

interim. You know, so like it was

15:02

popping. You know, they built the PI

15:04

and everything. And of course, we'll talk

15:06

about some of these other Mexican fighters

15:08

that are coming through soon. And then

15:10

all of a sudden, poof. Two of

15:12

them were gone. Well, no shit,

15:14

all three are gone. Quick. I

15:16

think two on one card and

15:19

I was a little bummed out

15:21

for Mexico, but this was a

15:23

big weekend for him for

15:25

them. Yeah, for sure. They, well,

15:27

and when you think about it,

15:29

what they did. Now, granted,

15:31

this was probably already

15:34

figured out before, but, you

15:36

know, Noe UFC is going to

15:38

Mexico to Halisto, I believe.

15:41

And so, That's a pretty big

15:43

deal. And I think the performances

15:45

that the fighters had, the way

15:47

the crowd showed up, only solidified

15:50

that that was the best decision

15:52

to make. Yeah, that's a

15:54

big city in Mexico. It's

15:56

Guadalajara Mexico and the state

15:59

is Halisco. That's where Alexa

16:01

Grasso is from. And so her

16:03

gym, I think it's Lobo gym,

16:05

is situated there. Irene Aldana trains

16:07

there. Diego Lopez is part of

16:09

the team. He trains there as

16:11

well. One of the other Brazilians,

16:14

Bruno Silva, I can't remember who,

16:16

one of those other guys as

16:18

well, is down there. So yeah,

16:20

huge, huge city. I'd never been

16:22

there. I've always wanted to go.

16:24

I think what I heard it

16:27

was it's kind of even cosmopolitan.

16:29

So, yeah, that's USC 320, not

16:31

your UFC. If they couldn't do

16:33

it at the sphere, again, which

16:35

I'm bummed, I feel like I

16:37

missed out, I'm glad that they're

16:39

going, at least doing it in

16:42

Mexico, and I'm glad they picked

16:44

that city. Yeah, yeah, I think

16:46

it's a good choice, and I

16:48

think it's something that, I'm happy

16:50

that they get to keep that

16:52

tradition going. I love seeing Julio

16:55

Cesar Chavez coming out. That was

16:57

so cool. They just really really

16:59

embraced it. They didn't embrace Henry

17:01

Sohuto though, did they? No, they

17:03

didn't. He didn't get much love.

17:05

Anthony Pettis was non-existent and he's

17:07

part Mexican too. He's actually him

17:10

and his brother are Anthony and

17:12

Sergio Perez but the dad changed

17:14

the name to Pettis a long

17:16

time ago because the dad was

17:18

I think mixed up in some

17:20

stuff and he just didn't want

17:22

his name to haunt the kids

17:25

so he switched their names to

17:27

Pettis. they are proud and so

17:29

he was there but dude that's

17:31

a former WEC champ and USC

17:33

champ he spots some big names

17:35

and he has that historical showtime

17:38

kick cool last name he's gotten

17:40

down over at a you know

17:42

in boxing could he be Roy

17:44

Jones or I can't remember but

17:46

regardless I thought I thought he'd

17:48

get more pop but I guess

17:50

the era is just you know

17:53

it's a new new set of

17:55

fans who knows yeah Potan got

17:57

a pop though he gets a

17:59

pop area he sure does man

18:01

he's a big star for those

18:03

guys. I'd still would tell him,

18:06

hey man, kind of like sit

18:08

at home for 30 days. Has

18:10

it been 30 days since he

18:12

lost his title? Maybe. I don't

18:14

think so. I don't know. But

18:16

like, just stay home, like stop

18:18

traveling, stay home and work on

18:21

stuff and relax. We say the

18:23

same about Diego Lopez. He's fighting

18:25

what April 12th. So today's March

18:27

30th. Less than two weeks now

18:29

two weeks from yesterday. Now again,

18:31

he trains in Mexico, right? But

18:33

it's still a flight. I don't

18:36

know. I imagine what a lot

18:38

of Mexico is maybe an hour

18:40

or something. It's still a flight.

18:42

It's still, I don't know, I

18:44

like that hunkering down, you know,

18:46

and maybe even. growing a beard

18:49

and not checking your phone like

18:51

for you know you ain't getting

18:53

back to no one like I

18:55

like that like isolation a little

18:57

bit when it's I'm not saying

18:59

for every fight this is a

19:01

big fight big opportunity if you

19:04

don't win Evely was next and

19:06

then whoever else is next and

19:08

now he's got to get back

19:10

in line so you got to

19:12

rise of the moment you always

19:14

want to be your best the

19:17

city of Mexico City will be

19:19

okay if you ain't there to

19:21

stand up when they show the

19:23

camera which more fighters would do

19:25

that like I mean let's this

19:27

give John Jones his praise like

19:29

you don't see him at too

19:32

many events you know but then

19:34

one hell you don't see him

19:36

fight too often but we don't

19:38

see him at too many U

19:40

of C events exactly but somehow

19:42

he ends up at other events

19:44

yeah that's true all right so

19:47

I think we can put the

19:49

main event to bed the overall

19:51

no we're gonna save some of

19:53

this for tomorrow on tomorrow spinning

19:55

back like we are gonna talk

19:57

about did he run interference on

20:00

either Kaikar France or Manel cop.

20:02

Remember, Kaikar France beat Steve Versaig.

20:04

Manel cop told us that he

20:06

heard Kaikar France was challenging Penn.

20:08

and then like Manel cop went

20:10

and won. And since then now

20:12

Manel cop and Brandon Marino have

20:15

won while Alexander Pentosia who said

20:17

he'd be ready for U.S.C. 314

20:19

on April 12th in Miami. We

20:21

know it ain't a holdup from

20:23

his end. So what's the holdup?

20:25

We don't know but we have

20:27

three good guys that could fight.

20:30

Well, give us an early tease

20:32

goes it's a question for them

20:34

all spinning back like but who

20:36

do you think leads the Pantoja

20:38

sweepstakes? I think it's still no

20:40

cop, but I don't To sell

20:43

us on Brandon Moreno again, it's

20:45

just It's gonna be rough to

20:47

do He didn't do enough and

20:49

I mean, I don't even know

20:51

like I don't know if he

20:53

could have done it like it's

20:55

just too hard to sell It's

20:58

true man if he chaos own

21:00

runs up the fence, starts talking

21:02

a hunter, sees her Chavez, is

21:04

paling around with all. I think

21:06

we, I think it's like this

21:08

whole other wave of fandom and

21:11

chatter and momentum, social media that

21:13

it starts to put pressure, you

21:15

know, on the decision-makers in the

21:17

O.C., but he just kind of,

21:19

who did we say that about

21:21

the other day? They just kind

21:23

of close to do a decision

21:26

and did it do them many

21:28

favors. I know we said that

21:30

recently, didn't we? Yeah, it was

21:32

it wasn't Brady and Edwards, who's

21:34

the combing there? Was it maybe

21:36

that one? Well, no, because Brady

21:38

made a splash. Oh, oh, all

21:41

Bergen Lohovich. Yeah. You know, these

21:43

two are like, seeing if they

21:45

can make some noise and get

21:47

the U.C. to forget about Pajada

21:49

for a second and they didn't

21:51

do it. So they blew it.

21:54

We'll see. Marino's trying to make

21:56

a good case for it. I

21:58

know that he knows that the

22:00

U.S.C. likes him, likes it when

22:02

he's a champ. disrespect to Pentos,

22:04

I think he's kind of worked

22:06

his way into being a star,

22:09

but Marino obviously pops. He's a

22:11

good talker, he's very likable and

22:13

charismatic, he's got the country of

22:15

Mexico behind him, so we'll see,

22:17

but the UCC's got, you know,

22:19

that three some there to figure

22:22

out. The rest of the card

22:24

also had some moments. Again, London

22:26

didn't give us chaos chaos, but

22:28

we had some. in Mexico City,

22:30

Manuel Torres defeated Drew Dover. Some

22:32

are saying it was late stoppage,

22:34

you know me, I'm on the

22:37

light, I'm on the other end

22:39

of letting goes, you know, not

22:41

to the death, but let them

22:43

go a little longer, you know,

22:45

so I didn't have a problem

22:47

with Beltran's stoppage, maybe a tad,

22:49

but like, I'm not gonna sit

22:52

there and go to the U.S.C.

22:54

offices and protests or nothing like

22:56

that. He just cleaned his clock.

22:58

Edgar Shirehaz defeated CJ Regar. Quick

23:00

work, man. A submission. He faced

23:02

crank though. He wasn't even under

23:05

the chin. He just put some

23:07

power on it. Raul Ross's junior

23:09

decision against Vince Morales. Hey, it

23:11

was close. Morales was threatening him

23:13

with that Peruvian necktie and, you

23:15

know, submissions of his own, man.

23:17

Like an inverted triangle. It was

23:20

weird, but shout out to Vince

23:22

Morales. He didn't just lay down.

23:24

David Martinez, if that fight had

23:26

five more seconds, It might not

23:28

have ended Roarosa's way. If you

23:30

look at his face, he's grimacing.

23:33

I think he was toast, man.

23:35

I think maybe five to ten.

23:37

more seconds and he might have

23:39

actually lost that fight. Yeah, possibly.

23:41

That guy had a good squeeze.

23:43

I don't know who said it.

23:45

I think it was anic. He

23:48

just does kind of like kid

23:50

stuff. You know, he does great

23:52

things. Rosas Jr. He does great

23:54

things. But then he just does

23:56

things where you kind of look

23:58

at it and you just go,

24:00

man, I mean, he is a

24:03

kid at the end of the

24:05

day. He's 20 years old. He's

24:07

just gonna, he doesn't have the

24:09

experience that other people have. He's

24:11

gonna do those types of things.

24:13

But considering his age, the pressure

24:16

that he must have, good for

24:18

him going, you know, to another

24:20

country getting a win, another win

24:22

under his belt, more money in

24:24

the bank. I hope he continues

24:26

to improve to improve. Some of

24:28

these guys that they kind of

24:31

groom a little bit, you know,

24:33

they pick their opponents and all

24:35

that I feel like he still

24:37

needs a little bit more work.

24:39

Like his his right is gonna

24:41

have to be gradual. Yeah, he

24:43

got away with one. You know,

24:46

when you can learn the lesson,

24:48

go 15 minutes, get tested, but

24:50

still win. You don't have to

24:52

sit here and tell us. Oh.

24:54

Yeah, losing's the best thing that

24:56

have happened to me. This loss

24:59

woke me up. No, he got

25:01

a wake-up call right now, that's

25:03

for sure. But also got his

25:05

hand raised. So he got lucky,

25:07

but you're right, a few more

25:09

seconds and he might have just

25:11

been out, you know, sleeping. But

25:14

yeah, he did do it. Manuel

25:16

Torres looked great against Drew Dover.

25:18

Edgar Shirez. Looks like he's a

25:20

problem and he had a great

25:22

story when DC gave him the

25:24

mic He you know, he was

25:27

very emotional and he said man

25:29

a year ago Was it a

25:31

year ago? Something like that a

25:33

year ago? He was really broke

25:35

and he said his grandfather sold

25:37

his truck So he'd have some

25:39

money to pursue the dream and

25:42

now the grandfather's no longer here,

25:44

but he said hey that guy's

25:46

front row and having watching me,

25:48

but that was a touching story.

25:50

You know like to hear that.

25:52

You know, what am I going

25:54

to do? But the grandfather believed

25:57

in him and sold the truck

25:59

and it's too bad that the

26:01

grandfather wasn't there to see that

26:03

huge moment, you know, for him.

26:05

It's not a world title or

26:07

nothing, but still big win in

26:10

Mexico City. You dream of, you

26:12

know, when you're a kid, wherever

26:14

it is that you're born, you

26:16

dream of a location and the

26:18

fans and the roar and your

26:20

family's there. So that was cool.

26:22

And then. Kevin Borhouse goes. Holy

26:25

cow, I have not seen anyone.

26:27

No, that's dumb. Of course I've

26:29

seen people, but this guy's just

26:31

got clean hands. Let me just

26:33

get to what I want to

26:35

say instead of trying to dress

26:38

it up. He's just got great

26:40

hands. The way he protects his

26:42

chin with his shoulder, his head

26:44

movement, you know, slipping and then

26:46

ripping. he has a nice fast

26:48

job he's got power in his

26:50

hand he just his defense is

26:53

on point whether he's blocking a

26:55

kick or a punch what a

26:57

thing of beauty to watch so

26:59

he's he's a big counter-puncher and

27:01

he'll have to you know polish

27:03

off the rest of his game

27:05

and add some tools and and

27:08

things like that because you're not

27:10

always gonna face a guy that

27:12

just wants to stand bang but

27:14

I'm telling you to fight a

27:16

guy like Rhonda Rodriguez who pulls

27:18

the crowd out because he's so

27:21

charismatic and you know, you know,

27:23

the travel from Peru, where he

27:25

lives in Lima, it's right next

27:27

to the ocean, so it's flatlands.

27:29

And in Peru, there are areas

27:31

that have high altitude, like where

27:33

I was last year, 7,800 feet,

27:36

or in Cusco, where Machu Picchu

27:38

is, that's like 10,000. So, Boras

27:40

went to Mexico about a month

27:42

early and... You know the acclimate,

27:44

but it paid off. You know

27:46

he looked great Mm-hmm. That was

27:48

a fun fight. You know like

27:51

I said going in There weren't

27:53

a lot of numbers next to

27:55

names But the way the fight

27:57

card was lined up and the

27:59

guys that they met each other

28:01

with and gals. We'll get to

28:04

that. You could tell it was

28:06

it was tailor-made for some chaos.

28:08

Oh yeah, for sure. On the

28:10

prelims, Atebba Gautier defeated Jose Daniel

28:12

Medina. That was a nice clean

28:14

punch there. Punch as Anani, Mezekal,

28:16

Costa defeated Christian Rodriguez, kind of

28:19

bummed out, I've become a little

28:21

bit of a C-Rod fan. Lupicodinez,

28:23

who had to take a poopy,

28:25

she defeated Julia Polestri, did you

28:27

see that goes, that little video

28:29

of her saying that? Yeah, so

28:32

I don't know if you remember

28:34

when we were watching it, I

28:36

asked you, what did she just

28:38

say, because it sounded like she

28:40

said something like that, And she

28:42

had to look like, I recognize

28:44

that look, you know, like when

28:47

I was out of Texas, they

28:49

Brazil or something where she was

28:51

in pain, you know. God, that

28:53

would have been a horrific moment

28:55

for her in her life. I

28:57

couldn't, I couldn't. I was just

28:59

sitting there thinking, there's been times

29:02

where I gotta go bad. And

29:04

I'll do that thing where you

29:06

got, you can't move, you know,

29:08

you just you're stuck and you

29:10

kind of like crouch over a

29:12

little bit. That's me. Maybe at

29:15

the mall, maybe even in my

29:17

own home, just trying to get

29:19

through that front door and say

29:21

hi to you and Juliet and

29:23

not look weird, but really I'm

29:25

quick walking all the way up

29:27

the stairs. I can't imagine having

29:30

that feeling and somebody beating me

29:32

up at the same time. How

29:34

did she do that? In front

29:36

of thousands, you know, on the

29:38

arena and millions at home. I

29:40

don't know how she pulled herself.

29:43

But she did and she won

29:45

the fight she defeated Julia Polastri

29:47

who was starting to bring it

29:49

in that third round She just

29:51

waited too long So she got

29:53

2928 to cross the board Rafa

29:55

Garcia defeated Vince fichel fun fight

29:58

there, too I didn't believe there

30:00

was two 30-27s. I thought that

30:02

was a clear round Pachell one.

30:04

So I was a little disappointed

30:06

in that, but Jamal Emmers knocked

30:08

out Gabriel Miranda, T-K-O stoppage there,

30:10

needed the body and some punches,

30:13

and then Markel Maderos defeated Austin

30:15

Hubbard to start the night off,

30:17

split decision win for him. There

30:19

was no fight of the night,

30:21

but there was four performances of

30:23

the night. Manuel Torres, Edgar Shirez,

30:26

David Martinez. and Ateba got Tia.

30:28

So who didn't get one out

30:30

of the finishers? Jamal Emres didn't

30:32

get one. I thought his finish

30:34

was nice, even though Gabriel Miranda

30:36

was there for the pickings there

30:38

once he struck out with that,

30:41

you know, takedown and submission attempts.

30:43

I thought Gatere was fine as

30:45

well and Shirez and Manuel. I

30:47

mean, we had five finishers. Just.

30:49

Give them all 50,000 and that's

30:51

that you know like instead of

30:54

having to choose and say your

30:56

submission was more valuable than this

30:58

submission or what was it was

31:00

the last week of the week

31:02

before Your finish wasn't as good

31:04

as this guy who went to

31:06

the distance. It's like come on

31:09

man make some sense out of

31:11

this shit Yeah, that I you

31:13

know, honestly, I don't know how

31:15

they walk out of there not

31:17

stoked for just how everybody fought

31:19

on the card how the crowd

31:21

reacted I honestly would have bonus

31:24

to a lot of people Big

31:26

time for sure Hey, how about

31:28

this? You know five times four

31:30

So four performance of the nights

31:32

times 50 is 200,000 If there's

31:34

dead set on 200,000's the number

31:37

on an occasion and it's happened

31:39

recently where there's five finishers. What

31:41

if we just give them all

31:43

40,000? It still works 40 times

31:45

five is 200 thousand Now granted

31:47

you don't know if you're going

31:49

to be the one that's left

31:52

out. So it's not like they

31:54

give you the 50. and then

31:56

come back going hey hey hey

31:58

we rethought it let's pull 10

32:00

from you and 10 from you

32:02

and then that guy you know

32:04

no you never know if you

32:07

were gonna get it but if

32:09

you just get them all in

32:11

a room and say all five

32:13

of you were brilliant we're just

32:15

gonna each give you 40 instead

32:17

of 50 you might not be

32:20

the happiest but it's still 40,000

32:22

not 50 but you're also thinking

32:24

what if I was the guy

32:26

that was left out right right

32:28

that's true Or just write another

32:30

50,000 fucking dollars, you know, check

32:32

and then that's that. But it's

32:35

not my company. I should just

32:37

start the gorgeous George Fighting Championships.

32:39

I think it's so easy, right?

32:41

All right, before we put a

32:43

bow on this event, anything else

32:45

you want to say? And then

32:48

we'll get to our Dan Hardy

32:50

interview. Yeah. Well, it's post this

32:52

event. Last thing I just want

32:54

to say crowd was amazing every

32:56

time that they say they're going

32:58

back to Mexico City I get

33:00

stoked and I actually would like

33:03

to attend one in person I

33:05

think would be a lot of

33:07

fun Aside from that I do

33:09

want to wish one of our

33:11

listeners galley a happy birthday. He's

33:13

from Toronto a big fan of

33:15

the show But I also want

33:18

to stress that a lot of

33:20

people reached out this week from

33:22

different parts of the world And

33:24

they had very kind comments about

33:26

John Annick on our show and

33:28

how much they enjoy him being

33:31

on the show, how good he

33:33

is on the show. And I

33:35

want to just let you know

33:37

that I did forward that your

33:39

guy's messages to him and he

33:41

was very stoked and he was

33:43

really happy about that. So, you

33:46

know, if you like him, we'll

33:48

try and book him more often,

33:50

I think he does a tremendous

33:52

job. He's so much fun. And

33:54

so thank you. you know for

33:56

listening and thank you for sharing

33:59

that yeah no doubt i heard

34:01

a of those about Demetius and

34:03

John and I'm big on

34:06

long form interviews

34:08

but obviously we

34:10

we just now you threw

34:12

me off it's more work

34:15

you know but obviously

34:17

from those 40

34:19

minute interviews you

34:21

can sometimes get

34:23

three or four

34:25

recaps If we do it for 10

34:28

or 12, we might get one, we might

34:30

get two, who knows? So sometimes the math

34:32

works out, but yeah, it can be a

34:34

bitch. But in doing so, it's just

34:36

a, it's a conversation rather than

34:39

an interview. So what I miss, I guess,

34:41

is when we had the studio and

34:43

we had co-host for two hours,

34:45

because then they would even be

34:47

part of the interview, but then

34:49

there was so many times that

34:52

we could just chit-chat-chat and talk

34:54

about things like. What are you

34:56

watching on Netflix? You know, I'm

34:58

curious what other people watch or

35:01

sometimes it'd be the televisions

35:03

would be on in the sports

35:05

book and there'd be an event

35:07

and we'd get, you know, it would

35:09

get our attention. So those are

35:11

the stories that make everyone, I

35:14

guess, you know, individually interesting

35:17

versus all just kind of getting lumped

35:19

up. You know, you know, you know,

35:21

when you watch them, Yellowstone

35:23

and... It's kind of cowboy up when

35:25

they wake up in the morning and

35:27

there's like eight of them and there's

35:29

fucking 800 cows, you know, just that

35:32

they have to maneuver and move them

35:34

around. That's what the UFC just feels

35:36

like every year that they're just, you

35:38

know, guiding them all, a little, a

35:40

little 24 of a mentor. It's their

35:42

time to fight or perform or do whatever.

35:44

But it's just, I don't know, gets

35:47

lost in the shuffle the shuffle a

35:49

little bit. I don't remember things about certain

35:51

ones. That's why I thought the Shirez one

35:53

was interesting. He got the finish, he was

35:55

crying, he had the story about his grandpa,

35:58

you know, that one's gonna kind of... Stay

36:00

with me a little bit. But how

36:02

about Piper and Gasolam? Well, why don't

36:04

we do that when we come back

36:06

from Dan Hardy? And then we'll spend

36:08

some time on Calvin Gasolam and Joe

36:10

Piper. We didn't bring it up because

36:12

the fight didn't happen. We'll tell you

36:14

about that when we come back, stick

36:16

around for the outlaw Dan Hardy. What's

36:32

up Junky Nation? We're getting close to

36:34

the beginning of April and all of

36:36

April is gonna be PFL month man

36:38

They got a lot of cards and

36:41

it all starts on April 3rd locations

36:43

Orlando Florida. We're gonna see some welter

36:45

weights some feather weights Let's talk about

36:47

that with Dan Hardy former UFC title

36:49

challenger now PFL broadcaster and matchmaker extraordinary.

36:52

How are you Allah? Yeah, I'm good.

36:54

I'm good. I'm getting ready to fly

36:56

out to Florida and get these fights

36:58

started. We've got, as you said, four

37:00

shows back to back and we've got

37:03

some really good fights. It's going to

37:05

be quite a pace. You're not going

37:07

to bother with going back and forth

37:09

over the pond, right? You're just going

37:11

to camp out in Disney, Disney World

37:14

for a month? Yeah, most of it.

37:16

I'm probably going to return between the

37:18

third and fourth events, just because obviously

37:20

we've got we've got PFO Europe shows

37:22

coming up as well. We've got Belfast

37:25

and then Paris. So there's a lot

37:27

of stuff going on over here which

37:29

I'm needed for as well. But I

37:31

certainly will be there for the first

37:33

three events back to back because the

37:36

travel back and forth would be a

37:38

killer. For sure. When you look at

37:40

a card as whether it's a fan

37:42

or just when they tell you what

37:44

they're thinking, Do you, what do you

37:47

gravitate to? And I'll give you what

37:49

I'm what I'm aiming at. For example,

37:51

when I was looking at this first

37:53

one, right? I know I see Jason

37:55

Jackson and Andre Korschkov there at the

37:58

top, but right away I just saw

38:00

pesos panato. I really like the way

38:02

fights. It's been a while. since we've

38:04

seen them, but man, like I think

38:06

I gravitate to who can scrap and

38:09

who's gonna, why am I sitting here

38:11

for three hours? You know, how about

38:13

you, what do you look at as

38:15

a card as either you're building it

38:17

or as a fan and how's that

38:20

worked with you now being a matchmaker?

38:22

Well, I mean, you know, all these

38:24

all these world world tournament fights have

38:26

been matched by the world fighter ops

38:28

team and you know, when I see

38:31

these match make matches that they've put

38:33

together, I mean, the thing that makes

38:35

me most interested is when I see

38:37

a fight where I could quite easily

38:39

see both of the guys winning, you

38:42

know, I could see two I mean,

38:44

you know, for example, like home main

38:46

event, you know, you've got Tyler Santos

38:48

against Juliana Velasquez, like quite easily. I

38:50

could picture both of those fighters winning

38:53

in a couple of three different ways,

38:55

you know, like it's, they're the intriguing

38:57

fights for me. You know, you mentioned

38:59

Jason Jackson, Andre Cora's cover, another one,

39:01

you know, quite similar. You've got, you

39:04

know, two guys that have got strong

39:06

wrestling, you've got real dynamic strikers as

39:08

well. you know there's a lot of

39:10

unpredictability in their games because of their

39:12

physical attributes the way they're moving and

39:15

the things the skills in their arsenal.

39:17

You know I agree with you about

39:19

Panado as well you know he we

39:21

missed him last year it was it

39:23

was a real shame to see him

39:26

you know have such a good 2023

39:28

and then we missed him for 2024

39:30

when in actuality he was one of

39:32

the main figureheads in my mind of

39:34

the PFL when PFL and BELATOR were

39:37

coming together. So I kind of feel

39:39

like we're still getting some of those

39:41

fights happening this time around and Panado's

39:43

fight with Boris certainly seems like like

39:46

one of those kind of fights to

39:48

me. He is fighting BORX and do

39:50

you like the dynamic of PFL versus

39:52

BELATOR or is that starting the weighing

39:54

now? Because we obviously had that first

39:57

one right when champs were mixing it

39:59

up. But what about now? Is that

40:01

you think that's worn off or are

40:03

you guys going to try and exploit

40:05

that a little? I mean, you know,

40:08

I think it's a storyline based on

40:10

the fact that we've got a bunch

40:12

of bellato champions, you know, all. coming

40:14

into the the PFL world tournament. So,

40:16

you know, I do think that there

40:19

are there are going to be some

40:21

conversations. I mean, you know, you look

40:23

at the Jason Jackson-Kourishkov, that's that there's

40:25

two Belato champions facing off against one

40:27

another. There are just certain fights where,

40:30

you know, like I look at the

40:32

Panado-Borich fight and I think to myself,

40:34

you know, that that's the kind of

40:36

fight that you would get if you

40:38

were taking, you know, you know, you

40:41

know, you know, the top level, the

40:43

top level, I mean, I don't really

40:45

feel like that's the narrative this year

40:47

around. I feel like it's much more

40:49

about, you know, a real big competitive

40:52

roster. I think it's just because Panado's

40:54

been out for a year. He kind

40:56

of missed those, you know, us against

40:58

those, those, those, those, those, those against

41:00

them kind of, you know, those kind

41:03

of fights. And I think that's probably

41:05

one of the reasons why the match

41:07

them matched him against, you know, you

41:09

know, with that fight. Perhaps you're right.

41:11

Maybe PFL and Belatour weren't really like,

41:14

there wasn't a heated or hatred or

41:16

anything like that. It was always respectful.

41:18

I was probably thinking too much about

41:20

the U.S.C. pride days. You know, like

41:22

there, we all wondered, well, who was

41:25

better? And, you know, finally they would

41:27

fight. And then there was a little

41:29

bit of the W.C. Remember the W.C.

41:31

They had an overlap with light weights

41:33

because they had gotten rid of welterweight

41:36

weight. there was the lightweight Ken Barner

41:38

and Henderson and Pettis and Soroni compete

41:40

and everyone would diminish those guys and

41:42

they had a chip on their shoulder

41:44

and a couple of those cats came

41:47

over and won world titles. Yeah, I

41:49

mean, you know, the same thing happened

41:51

with pride, didn't it? You know, we

41:53

had some pride fighters come over and

41:55

win titles in the U.S.C. as well.

41:58

Like, the thing is, you know, the

42:00

U.S.C. is such a strong brand and

42:02

they really do dominate the sport. It's

42:04

easy for fans to kind of look

42:06

outside of the U.S.C. and go all

42:09

these fighters on. good enough otherwise there

42:11

would be in the U.S.C. and you

42:13

know you and I we all know

42:15

that that's not the case you know

42:17

we've got the likes of Paul Hughes

42:20

now signed up and had a fantastic

42:22

bout against Usman and Magamadov. Like both

42:24

of those fighters for my money could

42:26

compete in the U.S.C. a similar level

42:28

and I would say the same foot

42:31

for many of the champions both across

42:33

PFL and Belato you know I mean

42:35

Johnny Evelyn for me. could really cause

42:37

problems for any middle weight in the

42:39

world. You know, it doesn't matter what

42:42

promotion they're in. And it's nice sometimes

42:44

to be able to see those fighters,

42:46

you know, like Kayla Harrison, who obviously

42:48

dominated to a point in the PFL,

42:50

then go over and have the same

42:53

impact elsewhere. You know, and I think

42:55

that we could have a lot more

42:57

of that success if there was more

42:59

cross-promotion, but of course that's not why

43:01

we don't get the cross-promotion fights. And,

43:04

you know, it was a risk when...

43:06

when they were doing it with pride

43:08

as well, because sometimes it didn't work

43:10

out well for them. But the reality

43:12

is, you know, these fighters in this

43:15

world tournament are world-class, you know, competitive

43:17

with any, especially the lightweight, the world-to-weight.

43:19

I mean, they are incredibly deep brackets

43:21

that we've got in this bracket. And

43:23

I think we're gonna see those level

43:26

of fights, you know, come April. I

43:28

know that you do some matchmaking for

43:30

Europe, or you might actually be the

43:32

man, just a solo. guy in that

43:34

in that role but you talked about

43:37

a worldwide matchmaking team or something like

43:39

that are you part of what's going

43:41

on here with these four events too

43:43

do you chime in on those no

43:45

with the with the world's on I

43:48

mean obviously you know we have a

43:50

we have a global fighter ops call

43:52

once a week where we all touch

43:54

base but You know, predominantly, I mean,

43:56

these matches have been made by the

43:59

the fighter ops team globally, which would

44:01

be Mike Kogan, Eduardo and Greg Savage.

44:03

They're the guys that have put these

44:05

these brackets, these tournaments together. My focus,

44:07

when it comes to matchmaking is... sign

44:10

and is specifically for Europe. And it's

44:12

just myself and a colleague, my friend

44:14

James Steers, we do that together. You

44:16

know, what's nice about this is that

44:18

I'm looking at this purely as a

44:21

commentator, as an analyst. I'm not thinking

44:23

about, you know, all the different personalities

44:25

and stuff, because I'm not dealing with

44:27

them as fighters. I'm dealing with them

44:29

as, you know. It's a very different

44:32

thing I think when you've made the

44:34

fights yourself and when you're just kind

44:36

of there to witness them. I don't

44:38

know, I'm not sure which one I

44:40

enjoy the most to be honest, but

44:43

with these having such high level matchups,

44:45

it's nice to just be a fan

44:47

and just kind of absorb the fights,

44:49

you know. more casually as an analyst

44:51

and then go and watch the fights

44:54

as a commentator because then I can

44:56

I can kind of experience it more

44:58

as a fan and just kind of

45:00

be a be a you know an

45:02

ever may fan boy because there's a

45:05

there's a lot of good fighters in

45:07

this in these four fights four shows

45:09

coming up. Hey Dan I'm just curious

45:11

how long did it take you to

45:13

kind of get the feel for matchmaking

45:16

and can you maybe share what your

45:18

your first, I don't know if I

45:20

want to call it mistake, but like

45:22

first thing that kind of caught you

45:24

off guard about matchmaking. The first thing

45:27

that I guess caught me off guard

45:29

a little bit was that more fighters

45:31

would think like me and like the

45:33

old school guys that were around, you

45:35

know, 10 years ago. You know how

45:38

it was back in the day, 10,

45:40

15 years ago. You didn't know whether

45:42

you were going to be able to

45:44

get a fight. So you were chasing

45:46

opportunities all the time and taking whatever

45:49

opportunities would land in front of you

45:51

often. It's very different now, you know,

45:53

with the emergence of Instagram and breakout

45:55

stars like Connor McGregor and people like

45:57

that. It seems to me like a

46:00

lot more fighters are absorbing. MMA is

46:02

a sport through social media as opposed

46:04

to actually sitting down and watching the

46:06

fights. start to finish, which is kind

46:08

of skewing their perspective on it a

46:11

little bit. You know, a lot of

46:13

them are kind of, they're focused on

46:15

getting the big highlight real knockouts, which

46:17

means that they don't always want to

46:19

fight someone that's very good. And I

46:22

end up debating with fighters that are

46:24

turning down really good opportunities because they

46:26

don't want to take a risk. And

46:28

that's a very frustrating thing for me

46:30

as a fighter. You know, even when

46:33

I've had a fighter that's made weight

46:35

and, and, you know, he's like his

46:37

opponents miss weight and we're brought in

46:39

the alternate and they're like no I

46:41

don't I don't want to fight the

46:44

alternate it's just it's odd to me

46:46

because I was such I was always

46:48

a gamer you know I was always

46:50

taking whatever fights were there and you

46:52

know being a matchmaking now sometimes it

46:55

can be quite frustrating to deal with

46:57

people that have got a you know

46:59

maybe a skewed perspective of themselves and

47:01

and you know you know what I

47:03

mean you know fighters can be can

47:06

be quite difficult to work with at

47:08

times and it just seems like 20

47:10

years ago everyone was championed at the

47:12

bit to get in there and fight

47:14

whoever was put in front of him

47:17

whereas now people are way way more

47:19

cautious and it makes it it more

47:21

difficult to make the interest in matchups

47:23

sometimes. That is so true about how

47:25

people are consuming MMA now through social

47:28

media that's a very good point. I

47:30

did want to ask you about this

47:32

year who do you feel like, I

47:34

mean, Georgia and I, we're excited to

47:36

see elbows now, who do you think

47:39

will benefit the most from that? Man,

47:41

it's got to be the strong grapplers.

47:43

You know, I look at someone like

47:45

Logan Storley or someone like Brent Primus,

47:47

people that can just dominate from top

47:50

position and, you know, can really do

47:52

a lot of damage with a, a

47:54

few short elbows. I mean, you know,

47:56

the other thing as well is that

47:58

we've got, we've got a lot of

48:01

strong, you know, you know, wrestlers of

48:03

different styles in there as well. We're

48:05

going to have wrestlers that are trying

48:07

to chase to the back. We're going

48:09

to have wrestlers that are going to

48:12

try and dominate from top position. We've

48:14

also got the likes of Kanawatanabe who's

48:16

got a strong judo background and what

48:18

we tend to see in a lot

48:20

of fights around the globe where you've

48:23

got strong judo competitors, especially in the

48:25

women's weight classes for some reason. They

48:27

seem to be able to dominate from

48:29

a crucifix position where elbows are so

48:31

much more valuable to a fighter in

48:34

top position than a punch would be.

48:36

You can do damage with punches from

48:38

a crucifix, but you can. you can

48:40

really do a number on somebody with

48:42

an elbow. So I think there's a

48:45

variety of different people that are going

48:47

to benefit. I'm most interested in seeing

48:49

who's going to really step out with

48:51

their elbows in the striking ranges. It's

48:53

a little unfortunate for Dakota that she's

48:56

not in the mix here because I

48:58

would imagine that she should be able

49:00

to really demonstrate some nasty elbows. One

49:02

person I will give a shout out

49:04

there when we're talking about elbows is

49:07

Nathan Kelly. He's in the featherweight bracket

49:09

and his first fight when he was

49:11

on the bellotore card in Dublin and

49:13

he was able to use elbows. He

49:15

completely dismantled this guy with one shot.

49:18

Paul Vickers ate an elbow on the

49:20

fence and... just fell over like a

49:22

like a 100 year old tree being

49:24

felled. So I'm excited for the addition

49:26

of elbows across the whole tournament. You

49:29

know it's funny you bring up Dakota

49:31

because she's already scary and in the

49:33

final when you add the elbows she

49:35

threw an elbow that didn't land. But

49:37

had it landed, I remember thinking Talia

49:40

Santos's head would have landed like in

49:42

the fifth row. It was so nasty

49:44

and the technique was so beautiful. You're

49:46

right, man. I couldn't imagine week after

49:48

week seeing her throwing elbows like that.

49:51

That would be pretty insane. I do

49:53

want to ask you about your sleeper

49:55

fight and this this cluster of events

49:57

that are coming up. Is there one

49:59

fight that people you feel maybe sleeping

50:02

on? Matt, well, there's an opportunity that's

50:04

just opened up for a Thad gene.

50:06

And I really feel like, I mean,

50:08

he's a special talent. You can just,

50:10

you can feel it when he steps

50:13

in the smart cage. And he was

50:15

on the prelims. He was one of

50:17

the alternates and unfortunately, one of the

50:19

welterweights didn't get their visa in time.

50:22

So Thad has got the opportunity to

50:24

step in. And, you know, I mean,

50:26

it's an incredibly tough, tough fight for

50:28

him to step in. You know, an

50:30

opponent that's got a tremendous amount more

50:33

experienced than him. 17 17 and two.

50:35

I think Berkcomovis. But Tajine, there's, you

50:37

know, there's, there's a special energy about

50:39

him. And I feel like he might

50:41

be, he might be the one to

50:44

watch for this season, especially given the

50:46

fact that he's, he's got this short

50:48

notice opportunity to step up. And I

50:50

feel like he has the ingredients to

50:52

rise to the occasion. Dan, who, you

50:55

know, when there's champions, the other guys

50:57

are contenders, challengers, whatever. But I feel

50:59

what they're also, what they also are,

51:01

are hunters. And when you're hunting, you're

51:03

getting better, you're focused, you know, when

51:06

you're the champ, silk pajamas, silk sheets,

51:08

right? And I wanted to ask you,

51:10

I'm going to name a few fighters,

51:12

which ones do you think are most

51:14

dangerous? For example, Panado, won a title,

51:17

but wasn't able to come back and

51:19

now everything's just kind of gone. It's

51:21

been over a year. But he's obviously

51:23

going to be going to be like,

51:25

hey, what about me? I was something,

51:28

I was something, I was something, I

51:30

was a champion. His disappearance was not

51:32

necessarily because he took an L anywhere

51:34

or anything like that, he's been injured.

51:36

Then you got a guy like Jason

51:39

Jackson, held a belt, probably wants it

51:41

back. Then you got a guy like

51:43

Braga for example, came close but didn't

51:45

win and I'm sure he's still in

51:47

hunt mode. Which one of these predators

51:50

is like the most dangerous? You know,

51:52

it's a great question and I could

51:54

honestly dig into every single one of

51:56

those. It's one of the things that

51:58

makes these fights interesting is you know

52:01

figuring out not only the technical skills.

52:03

that they're most likely to use, but

52:05

also, you know, what their motivations like.

52:07

I mean, you know, you mentioned a

52:09

whole bunch of fighters there, I threw

52:12

out a couple more for you, like

52:14

Brent Primus must be coming towards the

52:16

end of his career, like to go

52:18

out with a bang and put half

52:20

a million dollars in his pocket and

52:23

have a new belt to add to

52:25

the case, makes him very, very dangerous

52:27

indeed. But then on the other end

52:29

of the spectrum, Dad Jean, who's got

52:31

less experience than everybody else in the

52:34

bracket, you know, the world's is oyster,

52:36

you know, he could he could take

52:38

out three people and all of a

52:40

sudden be an undefeated superstar. I think

52:42

fighters find motivation in lots and lots

52:45

of different places like Panado. I would

52:47

imagine he's incredibly frustrated that he missed

52:49

last year and he's been developing this

52:51

whole time. Braga is must surely be

52:53

driven by the loss of his father

52:56

and you know, wanting to finally get

52:58

that belt around his waist. The motivating

53:00

factors for fighters is I always find

53:02

fascinating and where they draw that inspiration

53:04

from. Sometimes it can be really obvious

53:07

for us and other times it can't.

53:09

Sometimes it's as simple as not having

53:11

any food in the fridge. Other times

53:13

it's because all of your teammates have

53:15

got a nice car than you. We

53:18

motivate ourselves with lots of different things.

53:20

And I think that not only... This

53:22

world tournament being a good motivating factor,

53:24

but everyone's got their own thing going

53:26

on and and and I think that

53:29

those stories are going to be able

53:31

to come out in in this tournament

53:33

as it develops in front of the

53:35

fans Yeah, and I guess we can

53:37

even throw Umolatoff in that batch too

53:40

came up short. That's probably got to

53:42

be a motivator your life changes, right?

53:44

A much bigger payday a million dollars

53:46

the belt price some relief man, and

53:48

then you know what? Teddy Atlas said

53:51

just by becoming champion you're 30% better

53:53

because your confidence grows life slows down

53:55

you see everything coming in slow motion

53:57

but I'm tying all this to Dennis

53:59

Goldsoft. Wasn't that a great story to

54:02

see him keep coming up close? Not

54:04

that I was hoping he would lose

54:06

those fights, but to just persevere man.

54:08

You can see how much it meant

54:10

to him last year. I like seeing

54:12

those stories and there's a few built in

54:14

here. Yeah, I agree. You know, it was

54:16

good to see Goldsof finally get that championship.

54:19

I mean, you know, he'd been chasing it

54:21

for so long and you always even from

54:23

the very from the very beginning of his

54:26

PFL career you felt that he had the

54:28

skills and the experience to be able to

54:30

win the championship it was just the case

54:32

of putting the the punches in the right

54:35

order. I mean he's got he's got such

54:37

a good job and what was also nice

54:39

about the the win of the championship is

54:41

you know he beat Popov who's a federal

54:44

student undefeated in what 19 fights was

54:46

it he had an incredible win streak

54:48

and Goldsob was able to finish him

54:50

off his back with a triangle which

54:52

the first thing that I thought to

54:54

myself is man Ingano is just worn

54:57

by ground and pound. If the hater

54:59

had the triangle that Goldsoff had, you

55:01

know, would that be a different problem

55:03

for Ingano to solve? So I think,

55:05

you know, I think not only the

55:07

fact that he won, but also the

55:10

way that he won, and who he

55:12

beat, also, you know, it definitely added

55:14

a bit of sugar to the, you know,

55:16

to the cake. It was a very special

55:18

night for him. Last question, who

55:20

would you say right now are the top

55:22

three stars for PFL? Now that the merger

55:24

is complete, then we're gonna kind of see

55:27

them all under one banner. Man, well,

55:29

I mean, you know, you've got

55:31

to, you've got to say Francis

55:33

and Garner is probably the most

55:35

widely recognized worldwide. Closely behind that,

55:37

I would say Dakota. You know,

55:39

I think, I think people are

55:41

really excited about her potential and

55:43

her future and, and, you know,

55:45

where she's going to potentially achieve.

55:47

And then I'm going to throw out a

55:49

couple more from the European region that you

55:52

know Paul Hughes big news is called big

55:54

news for a reason Again, you know, he's

55:56

he's right the beginning of his career really,

55:58

you know, he's what 50? fights into his

56:01

career, he's just leveled up tremendously

56:03

in two fights in a row.

56:05

I was concerned about about his

56:07

fight against A.J. McKee and he

56:09

blew him out of the water

56:11

and then to level up again

56:13

to fight Usman, you know, I'm

56:15

obviously going to expect big things

56:17

from him as well as everybody

56:19

else does. And then my own

56:21

personal favorite right now is Lewis

56:23

McGrillan. If you've not seen his

56:25

fight against Dean Garnett. watch it.

56:27

It is I think 13 knockdowns

56:29

for as long as the fight

56:31

lasts. It is an absolute banger.

56:33

I mean Sean O'Connell and I

56:35

were on our feet jumping up

56:37

and down cage side. It was

56:39

it was incredible. And there's something

56:42

about Lewis McGrillan as well. The

56:44

McRisler is a little bit of

56:46

a wild man, a bit of

56:48

a barbarian. And I think that

56:50

when people when people are introduced

56:52

to the energy that he brings,

56:54

they're going to want to get

56:56

on board. He's got... the death

56:58

touch in his left hand. I'll

57:00

be definitely be looking out for

57:02

him. Thirteen knockdowns, man. That's a

57:04

lot. That reminds me of Frankie

57:06

Edgar and Gray Maynard in their

57:08

first fight in the first round.

57:10

Anyhow, it was it was an

57:12

incredible fight. I mean, Dean Garnett

57:14

is, you know, a real veteran

57:16

of the sport as well, you

57:18

know, well known. And, you know,

57:21

took the belt home, he won

57:23

two fights in a row and

57:25

took the hundred thousand dollars. Man,

57:27

this is great stuff. All right,

57:29

I'm pumped up. It's gonna be

57:31

a big month in April here

57:33

for the PFL. Things start off

57:35

on the third. Dan Hardy, a

57:37

big part of all this with

57:39

some matchmaking skills, broadcasting skills, one

57:41

of the best, in-ring announcements too,

57:43

post-fight, hopefully we get to see

57:45

you in that role too. Thank

57:47

you. You know, PFL I guess

57:49

has had a little bit of

57:51

a bad run, you know, but

57:53

if there's going to be a

57:55

few fighters this year that helps

57:57

them. Pick them up a little

57:59

bit between their paper view series

58:02

Between the fact that the roster

58:04

is emerging or whatever I think

58:06

it could be a guy like

58:08

hazes potato who just delivers fun

58:10

fights Clay collards another one of

58:12

those You know, and then let's

58:14

see what they do with Johnny

58:16

up women patchy mix You know

58:18

as that interview was going on

58:20

I was thinking I get why

58:22

people love John and I can

58:24

why they love those interviews he's

58:26

very polished And that's his career

58:28

is broadcasting, right? All I could

58:30

think of was Dan Hardy is

58:32

really good as well. He has

58:34

this way of capturing your attention.

58:36

And he's a fighter, you know,

58:38

fighter first. And now he's kind

58:40

of fallen into this role. But

58:43

boy does he earn his money.

58:45

You know, he knows every name

58:47

when you bring it up to

58:49

him. He can quote their last

58:51

fights, things about the fights. I

58:53

really admire Dan Hardy and I

58:55

love having him on the show

58:57

because he's just so good at

58:59

what he does. Yeah, I echo

59:01

that. Anytime they offer him, I

59:03

take it, but honestly, a few

59:05

times I've reached out to him

59:07

and he's always willing to do

59:09

it. So I think we might

59:11

just maybe need to do that

59:13

a little bit more often because

59:15

he does get you, you know,

59:17

you know, pumped up or an

59:19

upcoming event, tells you a couple

59:21

anecdotes about a few. guys or

59:24

gals that might be performing, they

59:26

stay with me and then boom.

59:28

Next thing, you know, it makes

59:30

the fight more exciting, more intriguing,

59:32

I guess. Yeah. All right. So

59:34

Piper and Gaslam did not happen.

59:36

Piper got sick. Piper, once he

59:38

was home in America, put out

59:40

a video and he just did

59:42

not like his experience in Mexico

59:44

at all. Called it a shit

59:46

whole country that he never wants

59:48

to return to He did mention

59:50

shitting the runs and Did he

59:52

say throwing up? I don't know.

59:54

So I don't think that's air

59:56

pollution. It could be, but I

59:58

don't think I've ever suffered from

1:00:00

air pollution. I mean, I've been

1:00:02

behind a bus in Peru where

1:00:05

all of a sudden their exhaust

1:00:07

comes out and you're like, or

1:00:09

whatever, and I might drink it

1:00:11

off, but I don't ever go,

1:00:13

oh, this just gave you the

1:00:15

runs. I got to go to

1:00:17

the bathroom. You know, like, he

1:00:19

ate something. He says it, he

1:00:21

didn't drink the water, he didn't

1:00:23

drink the water. So either boiled

1:00:25

it or just drink bottled. I

1:00:27

drank bottled in Peru, so I

1:00:29

didn't have no problems. But if

1:00:31

he's shouldn't, then it had to

1:00:33

have been food, in my opinion.

1:00:35

Which, well, did he take a

1:00:37

chef? He had an Airbnb. Did

1:00:39

he have a private chef? Or

1:00:41

did they go out and indulge?

1:00:44

I don't know. But I just

1:00:46

thought that was an overreaction. Like

1:00:48

bro, it just went wrong with

1:00:50

you. It went wrong for you,

1:00:52

you know, now if he's trying

1:00:54

to go the heel route Okay,

1:00:56

you did it good job, you

1:00:58

know, Colby Covington 2.0. That's I

1:01:00

think those were the exact words

1:01:02

he used for Brazil So if

1:01:04

it works out for him great,

1:01:06

but it really looked like he

1:01:08

was just someone that he sounded

1:01:10

kind of ignorant in just stating

1:01:12

it and putting it that way

1:01:14

I think And of course, yeah,

1:01:16

that's a possibility as well, but

1:01:18

I'm kind of with George, I

1:01:20

lean towards it's probably something you

1:01:22

ate. I think it was Mohammed

1:01:25

Mokaiev on social media, put it

1:01:27

pretty well. I think he said,

1:01:29

look, they offered you the fight,

1:01:31

you took it, once you sign

1:01:33

the contract, you have to shut

1:01:35

the fuck up. You know, like,

1:01:37

you just have no choice. Now

1:01:39

it's your job, you go out

1:01:41

and you know, your opponent's going

1:01:43

through the same thing as you

1:01:45

are. I don't know that I

1:01:47

would come down on an entire

1:01:49

country. Just because of one experience

1:01:51

that you have in a city

1:01:53

in that country, right? It would

1:01:55

be like if you went to

1:01:57

North Dakota and had a bad

1:01:59

experience and he said fuck the

1:02:01

United States this this place is

1:02:03

a shit hole I mean It

1:02:06

is kind of an ignorant statement,

1:02:08

you know, I know he wants

1:02:10

to be edgy, but You come

1:02:12

off looking stupid On a side

1:02:14

note goes. Will you ever go

1:02:16

back to Alhambra, California? He's just

1:02:18

taking out his frustration and anger.

1:02:20

You got sick, you might have

1:02:22

eaten something. All right, you know,

1:02:24

but he said like for a

1:02:26

month, he slept in one of

1:02:28

those high altitude tents on the

1:02:30

floor, he put in the work,

1:02:32

he went down there, he was

1:02:34

ready to throw down, but he's

1:02:36

just taking out his frustration and

1:02:38

anger on a country. when in

1:02:40

reality it was just an accident

1:02:42

that happened. I don't even think

1:02:44

the U.S.C. is saying, what were

1:02:47

you thinking of? Big W.Y.G. that

1:02:49

for? Anyone can get sick. We

1:02:51

can get sick here in the

1:02:53

United States. You know what I'm

1:02:55

saying? You can go to your

1:02:57

favorite restaurant, you know, and all

1:02:59

of a sudden it's just not

1:03:01

a good batch and boom. You're

1:03:03

done for. Why you would pick

1:03:05

them? The only thing I can

1:03:07

think of, and the only thing

1:03:09

I can think of, and this

1:03:11

might be I can think of,

1:03:13

and this might be a stretch,

1:03:15

and this might be a stretch,

1:03:17

is. I don't know if he's

1:03:19

closing up the trump and just

1:03:21

wants to go with the right

1:03:23

of the heel and if he

1:03:25

is, hey, he's off and running.

1:03:28

You know, but man, Mexico's kind

1:03:30

of our neighbors and I know

1:03:32

so many people goes white, black,

1:03:34

Latino, whatever, that go to Mexico

1:03:36

because it's like, it's a big

1:03:38

country, right? You got Cancun on

1:03:40

one side, Porto Vallada, and Sonata

1:03:42

Cabo. The food is awesome. The

1:03:44

well if you like it, you

1:03:46

know the music and the entertainment

1:03:48

is great and the people that

1:03:50

come up are like friendly and

1:03:52

like more than anything I don't

1:03:54

care where you live in the

1:03:56

United States you probably know Mexicans

1:03:58

you know what I'm saying and

1:04:00

they're like some of the nicest

1:04:02

people out there why would you

1:04:04

just let those words come out

1:04:07

of your mouth again unless he's

1:04:09

really just digging his heels in

1:04:11

and wanting to go the route

1:04:13

of heel okay I guess you

1:04:15

got it but if you're not

1:04:17

willing to go back there how

1:04:19

much of a heel are you

1:04:21

gonna be here in the United

1:04:23

States I mean Part of being

1:04:25

a heel is kind of you

1:04:27

know you go to the places

1:04:29

and do your thing remember the

1:04:31

rock Finally I'm back in filling

1:04:33

the blank Seattle right if he

1:04:35

was a good guy he'd get

1:04:37

the war, but if he wasn't

1:04:39

he'd say something shitty about the

1:04:41

city Well, you got to go

1:04:43

to the city or you got

1:04:45

to go to the country and

1:04:48

apparently he just doesn't want to

1:04:50

do that like I say he

1:04:52

just sounded stupid more than anything

1:04:54

Yeah, it didn't really go his

1:04:56

way I don't thinking I wonder

1:04:58

what happens to these guys in

1:05:00

those situations because going to another

1:05:02

country to fight, especially one like

1:05:04

Mexico where you do have to

1:05:06

make a lot of adjustments. People

1:05:08

get there a lot earlier and

1:05:10

the UFC doesn't always pay for

1:05:12

everything for you. I wonder what

1:05:14

happens in situations like that. Like

1:05:16

I feel bad for Kelvin gasoline.

1:05:18

You know how much he's had

1:05:20

to battle demons before the fight.

1:05:22

And it seems like he's good

1:05:24

to go on this one and

1:05:26

then didn't get to fight. Does

1:05:29

the UFC reimburse you in any

1:05:31

way? What happens going forward? He

1:05:33

said he didn't get paid, which

1:05:35

they both made wait. So I

1:05:37

think they should get the show.

1:05:39

He said I apologize to Calvin.

1:05:41

It sucks when I'm another man

1:05:43

can't make his money. And he

1:05:45

did own up to that. That

1:05:47

part I was cool with. Hopefully,

1:05:49

I always feel like if you

1:05:51

made wait for sure that locks

1:05:53

in your show. I mean that

1:05:55

shouldn't even be a question. And

1:05:57

then, but I know there was

1:05:59

one. time where someone, it used to

1:06:01

be like if you didn't weigh in, well,

1:06:04

Dana would go, well, you didn't fight, you

1:06:06

know, and then there was other times where

1:06:08

the person would not weigh in and he

1:06:10

still pay him both show and win.

1:06:12

So he's been very inconsistent with that.

1:06:14

But I thought there was one kind

1:06:16

of hard rule you could say was,

1:06:18

did you make wait? Okay, you get

1:06:20

your show. And then the other, the

1:06:22

next day, I guess it's up to him if

1:06:25

he's in a good mood or not. if

1:06:27

the other guy got sick, if you can

1:06:29

read book him fairly soon and I got

1:06:31

an idea and I it's not mine. I

1:06:34

don't know who said it might have been

1:06:36

you or someone said it on

1:06:38

social, put them in on 314

1:06:40

in a few weeks because they

1:06:42

just lost protests and Jeff Neal.

1:06:44

Carlos process and Jeff

1:06:46

Neal's off, slip it, slip them

1:06:48

in there. Well, if Joe Piper can

1:06:51

get it back together that quick.

1:06:53

Maybe let them do one

1:06:55

ninety five instead of one eighty

1:06:58

five and just run it. I think

1:07:00

I Mean fire is probably

1:07:02

not gonna like this but That card

1:07:04

is so good that you know if

1:07:06

you lose that Okay, if you look

1:07:09

at the Quebec card that

1:07:11

probably needs a little bit

1:07:13

of help. I think maybe that

1:07:15

the fight would be good there

1:07:17

But hey look if they want to

1:07:20

put it on that big paper if

1:07:22

you go for it? I ain't gonna

1:07:24

complain. You might have a point. Let's

1:07:26

take a look. Balamo Hamid against

1:07:29

Jack Dela Madelina. Solid. Valentina

1:07:31

Shachenko against Manofiro.

1:07:33

Solid. Modestis Wukakis against Yankutalava. That's

1:07:36

not main card worthy, but it's

1:07:38

okay. I'll take it on the

1:07:40

premiums. Aiman Zahabi against Jose Aldo.

1:07:42

How's that not gonna be on

1:07:45

the main card? And Zahabi to

1:07:47

his credit? I think it's on a little

1:07:49

bit of a win streak. Jasmine,

1:07:52

Jas divisious, solid,

1:07:54

Gilbert Burns, Michael Morales,

1:07:56

solid, Michael Mallett,

1:07:58

Charles Radc. Hell, Alexa Grasso's

1:08:00

fighting against Natalia Silva, when they slipped

1:08:03

that one in there? Or maybe I

1:08:05

forgot. Mark Andre Barrio against Bruno Silva,

1:08:07

Brad Katona, against some dude, Navajo, Sterling

1:08:10

against some dude. All right, so yeah,

1:08:12

goes, this one could use it, it's

1:08:14

not begging for it, but it could

1:08:17

use it, but it could use it,

1:08:19

more than the other one, right? It

1:08:21

could, yes. And maybe, but now I

1:08:24

would say, hey, now you gotta make

1:08:26

185. Right. So if, if, if I'm

1:08:28

the U.C. and I can turn it

1:08:30

around, then I'd still pay your pet,

1:08:33

your show, because you showed up to

1:08:35

fight and you made weight and hold

1:08:37

off on your win, right? But especially

1:08:40

I can turn you around fairly quickly

1:08:42

if I have no plans for you

1:08:44

I might sell send Calvin gasoline home

1:08:47

with two checks Hey, you know what

1:08:49

nowadays, especially when you got to go

1:08:51

a month early. I mean you kind

1:08:53

of spend a little bit of money,

1:08:56

you know on your team and I

1:08:58

don't know it just I just think

1:09:00

it's the right thing to do sometimes

1:09:03

But I'm okay with either idea I

1:09:05

would give them the pass They did

1:09:07

that with a pair of fighters recently

1:09:10

where they fought. One of them didn't

1:09:12

make it to the dance. And I

1:09:14

think they turned it around like a

1:09:17

week or two later, but they said,

1:09:19

hey, you don't have to go all

1:09:21

the way down to that normal weight.

1:09:23

You'll still get credit for the win

1:09:26

in that weight class, but you can

1:09:28

win a little bit more. And I

1:09:30

thought that was fair. I like it

1:09:33

when the USC kind of does things

1:09:35

like that when they're pro fighter, you

1:09:37

know. Yeah, I think so. Even though

1:09:40

he didn't fight, give him both checks?

1:09:42

I think, I mean, if he's gonna

1:09:44

fight within a month, then I'd give

1:09:47

him the show up and maybe like

1:09:49

a little bonus or something. But if,

1:09:51

yeah, if he doesn't, they both deserve

1:09:53

the show. Both guys made way, they

1:09:56

should both get the show. I think

1:09:58

so. Especially when you're when you're going

1:10:00

to another country. I do too because

1:10:03

even though I was disappointed what Piper

1:10:05

said he still did his job waiting

1:10:07

he just got sick man and that

1:10:10

stuff happens it happens to all of

1:10:12

us but let's not forget people probably

1:10:14

when they bought that ticket they probably

1:10:16

said oh man gasoline's fighting against this

1:10:19

young up and comer pifer who's pretty

1:10:21

good. You know I'm in they weren't

1:10:23

just in because of Brandon I mean

1:10:26

maybe somewhere some people have money and

1:10:28

they're like Brandon okay I'm in and

1:10:30

then others are like is it a

1:10:33

good one should we skip it or

1:10:35

what do we do and but you

1:10:37

know a lot of times it's It's

1:10:40

these core six fighters your main co-main

1:10:42

and featured that a lot of times

1:10:44

a lot of people pay that you

1:10:46

know pay that money to go so

1:10:49

the U of C still drawing some

1:10:51

money even though they go out sorry

1:10:53

we got announcement this fight fell off

1:10:56

It's a lot of times they're still

1:10:58

sold out and doing well in that

1:11:00

regard. So like I say, you just

1:11:03

have to, it's like owning a store,

1:11:05

I guess. Some people are going to

1:11:07

shoplift. Some people are going to return,

1:11:09

you know, and maybe get one over

1:11:12

on you. Or if you ship, people

1:11:14

are going to say it's broken and

1:11:16

it's not. And they just want you

1:11:19

to send another one. You have to

1:11:21

chalk up certain things in your business

1:11:23

to crazy stuff that happens. All right.

1:11:26

Hazus Panado's our next guest. Let's talk

1:11:28

to him and then we'll come back

1:11:30

and finish up with some news. We'll

1:11:33

be right back with the 2023 PFL

1:11:35

Fedaway Champ. Hazus Panado from Peru. What's

1:11:50

going on Junky Nation? Gorgeous

1:11:52

George and Goes. Always catch up

1:11:55

with the big names. Today

1:11:57

we get to talk to Jesus

1:11:59

Panado, who's a former PFL

1:12:01

champion. In the 2023 season, he

1:12:04

did not fight in 2024,

1:12:06

but he's back in 2025 and

1:12:08

he starts things off against

1:12:10

Adam Borix. Now I'm going to

1:12:12

translate for Hissus, since he

1:12:15

doesn't speak much English. All I

1:12:17

can say is Bienvinido's a

1:12:19

MMHunky radio. How was that? He

1:12:21

says he's happy to be

1:12:23

here and he's anxious for the

1:12:26

3rd of April so he

1:12:28

can get started. Jesus intends is

1:12:30

Campionato, controgavial braga, affinales de

1:12:32

la Vintevinte ventitres. And lo, and

1:12:35

this is the report of

1:12:37

horketchup is on the tresivio, la

1:12:39

Prinsa, and much of sufficionalis,

1:12:41

I'm asking him what it was

1:12:43

totally, oh, a, a, a,

1:12:45

a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:12:48

a, a, a, a, and,

1:12:50

I'm asking him what it was

1:12:52

like to return back to

1:12:54

Lima, Peru, where the press waited

1:12:57

for him and everything after

1:12:59

he won his world title at

1:13:01

the end of 2023. Go

1:13:03

ahead. Yeah, no, felli, content for

1:13:05

a better, complete a one-swaino,

1:13:07

a certain point of mind, and

1:13:10

a certain, but, content of

1:13:12

them, because this is the recognition,

1:13:14

so I say, I say, I

1:13:17

say, I say, I say,

1:13:19

I say, I say, I say,

1:13:21

I say, I say, a

1:13:23

much more connedo, and I say,

1:13:25

a lot more expectative, and

1:13:27

a lot of respectative, and a

1:13:30

very, He said it was

1:13:32

really cool to come home to

1:13:34

see the received there. He

1:13:36

was well received and you know,

1:13:39

he took a lot of

1:13:41

pride in that. However, he is

1:13:43

putting it in the past

1:13:45

and he's looking forward to the

1:13:48

future since he sat out

1:13:50

all of 2024 and bring to

1:13:52

you. I asked him about

1:13:54

his injuries and he had some

1:13:56

lumbar issues, and I asked

1:13:58

him, if he had to say,

1:14:01

if he had to say,

1:14:03

if he had to say, if

1:14:05

he had to say, out

1:14:07

there, no? I asked him about

1:14:10

his injuries and he had

1:14:12

some lumbar issues, some discs in

1:14:14

the lower back, but he

1:14:16

says it's all resolved, yes, I

1:14:18

said, if I had to

1:14:20

say him, if I had to

1:14:23

say a man, I was.

1:14:25

Yeah, he has to be in.

1:14:27

He says he's ready to

1:14:29

go. He confirms 100% he confirms

1:14:32

that. Yeah, he already has

1:14:34

control Adam Borex, that we need

1:14:36

a bellator, what's the age,

1:14:38

the opponent, the studio a much,

1:14:40

or that consists of part of

1:14:43

two centrenadores. I'm asking him

1:14:45

what he knows about Adam Borex,

1:14:47

does he study the problem

1:14:49

himself himself, or does he consult

1:14:52

his coaches? I don't know,

1:14:54

I'm not so imploreor, but I've

1:14:56

been a much ela pellias,

1:14:58

I've seen, I've also, a part

1:15:00

of this, and I'll, I've

1:15:02

heard, I've heard those in trainers,

1:15:05

I've done a lot on

1:15:07

the travel, I've done some travel,

1:15:09

I've done a lot, I've,

1:15:11

I've seen a lot of record,

1:15:14

appelias, with a number of

1:15:16

my grandes, not. But he says

1:15:18

he doesn't study his opponents

1:15:20

too much himself, but he obviously

1:15:23

knows who he is a

1:15:25

dangerous fighter, but he'll be ready

1:15:27

for anything on April 3rd.

1:15:29

We're talking to Jesus Panado and

1:15:31

Mudo. You're a lot of

1:15:33

us are going to Kohudo. Go

1:15:36

ahead, Brian. What do you

1:15:38

have for in Mudo? This is,

1:15:40

I mean, it's a temporary,

1:15:42

it's a difficult, different, no, or

1:15:45

it's not as a non-tournier,

1:15:47

or different, for us, or is

1:15:49

normal, like, the system of

1:15:51

the system of US? No, but

1:15:53

I'm it, those, you want,

1:15:55

those... It's a normal season. It's

1:15:58

a good day. It's a

1:16:00

good day. It's a good day.

1:16:02

It's a good day. It's

1:16:04

a good day. But it's a

1:16:07

norm. It's a norm. It's

1:16:09

a norm. It's a norm. It's

1:16:11

a good thing. I'm a young

1:16:13

kid. It's a good day.

1:16:15

I'm a young kid. It's a

1:16:18

good day. But it's a

1:16:20

bad day. But it's a bad

1:16:22

day. It's a bad day.

1:16:24

Gose asked him about this year's

1:16:27

format. It's slightly different, a

1:16:29

couple different rule changes, and if

1:16:31

that's affecting his preparations, he

1:16:33

says, no, not really. He goes,

1:16:36

he's excited, he likes the

1:16:38

new format, especially because they allow

1:16:40

elbows, and he loves to

1:16:42

use elbows, so he'll be implementing

1:16:44

that into his game. This

1:16:46

is the case that I've been

1:16:49

emicabes, as I've learned, as

1:16:51

a little at the Palaisa, too

1:16:53

piences, that one Palaisa is

1:16:55

the only of a terminal with

1:16:58

a class, so as I

1:17:00

see. See, see, I think that

1:17:02

a lot of utilities have

1:17:04

a lot of materialism, much as

1:17:06

material, as material, as I've

1:17:08

said, and I've seen a lot

1:17:11

of things in turn on

1:17:13

the cause. Gose asked him that

1:17:15

he was thinking the same

1:17:17

thing that the elbows could come

1:17:20

into play this year and

1:17:22

he asked his use if he

1:17:24

anticipates that he might even

1:17:26

get a finish. His says, yeah,

1:17:28

that's been on my mind.

1:17:30

He does think he'll get a

1:17:33

finish via elbows. But for

1:17:35

the clarification, and then ground and

1:17:37

pound, O to host at

1:17:39

the arrows, compara, or comuite. Yeah,

1:17:42

and I asked him just to

1:17:44

clarify, is he anticipating for

1:17:46

us, in the striking, in circle,

1:17:48

the rest at the time

1:17:50

being, when I was getting the

1:17:53

rivalo, the listo, and all

1:17:55

of them, bro. Yeah, and I

1:17:57

asked him just to clarify,

1:17:59

more, using him standing. to finish

1:18:02

the fight that he's pictured

1:18:04

or ground and pound, but

1:18:06

he says everywhere. He

1:18:08

utilizes them everywhere

1:18:11

and he'll be ready. Good, I

1:18:13

guess. How is it? Oh, okay.

1:18:15

Uh, well, you can use, and

1:18:17

tons is, what does, what do

1:18:20

you say to the MMA in

1:18:22

Peru? How much has Peru

1:18:24

grown, their, their, MMA scene?

1:18:27

Yeah, I agree with you.

1:18:29

In particular, I mean,

1:18:31

I brought in a

1:18:33

much different, a lot

1:18:35

of things that are

1:18:37

not uncommon, but, or

1:18:40

I, based on the

1:18:42

need of practicality, not

1:18:44

necessarily for the car's

1:18:47

professional, but, I don't know,

1:18:49

how it is, I don't know,

1:18:51

how it is, you know, a, a, a, a, a,

1:18:54

a, a, a, a, a, a, a, And I'm

1:18:56

asking you, I mean, I know,

1:18:58

what I'm going on with, but

1:19:00

I'm asking him how many fighters

1:19:02

are in his gym that are,

1:19:04

you know, kind of like the top

1:19:07

class, like Enrique Barcelona,

1:19:09

Claudio Poix, and himself. Yeah,

1:19:12

and like, I was on

1:19:14

number of grand, and I said,

1:19:16

I'm going to, I'm going to, I

1:19:18

think, There is a lot of numbers,

1:19:21

not for a immovial one. There are

1:19:23

various. There are many times. There is

1:19:25

a lot of good massetti, and there

1:19:27

are many massetti, and I have

1:19:29

massetti. There are a much, much

1:19:31

a lot, you know, as we have had a

1:19:34

lot of play. It seems like a group

1:19:36

of migraind. And I am still a

1:19:38

moprenn, and I am still a prenn. I

1:19:40

asked him about Gaston Bolano's are

1:19:43

regressed and trained on us days,

1:19:45

no? Yeah, no. See, it is

1:19:47

a group of random, I have

1:19:49

a limb, I have trained on

1:19:51

us, others, and some of areas,

1:19:53

but... I asked him about Gaston

1:19:55

Bolano's, who goes and I

1:19:57

have covered on lion fight...

1:20:00

Muay, also on the bell tour

1:20:02

now fighting in the U.S.C. And

1:20:04

even though he's located North America,

1:20:07

he has gone back to train.

1:20:09

To take what I say, Tony

1:20:11

De Sousa, Creole. I'm asking about

1:20:13

Tony DeSousa, Creole. I'm asking about

1:20:16

Tony DeSousa, an old school fighter

1:20:18

who was proven, who used to

1:20:20

train with BJ Pen. No, no,

1:20:23

no, I don't have contact with

1:20:25

him, but he says, oh, I

1:20:27

mean, this is a king, no,

1:20:30

he says, I'm going to, oh,

1:20:32

I see. Yeah, all right, he

1:20:34

says he, he hasn't had a

1:20:36

chance to train him, but he

1:20:39

definitely is aware of who he

1:20:41

is and considers him kind of

1:20:43

like the original pioneer in Peru.

1:20:46

I have a football that will

1:20:48

start a football, what is one

1:20:50

of those keepos? I'm asking about

1:20:53

soccer, we played it as a

1:20:55

kid, and what are his teams?

1:20:57

I'm not going to have a

1:21:00

hobby, but a nugga, a nugga,

1:21:02

a nugga, a nugga, a nugawen,

1:21:04

and a nugga, a few win,

1:21:06

and a lot of the key,

1:21:09

so the way up when the

1:21:11

hoa, and a hoa, peru, but

1:21:13

I love a ratemrato, rato. But

1:21:16

those images, that's how he aligns

1:21:18

with, that's a family of the

1:21:20

other, you know, that means a

1:21:23

university. All right. I asked him

1:21:25

if he played, you know, put

1:21:27

soccer as a kid, and he

1:21:29

said, actually he did, but he

1:21:32

wasn't that good. But he says

1:21:34

if you were to ask me,

1:21:36

who do I support? There's a

1:21:39

club called Universitario, his family supports.

1:21:41

So that's who he aligns with.

1:21:43

No, so he aligns with who

1:21:46

he aligns with. I'm telling them

1:21:48

that our family has a team

1:21:50

in Eriquiba Peru whose arrival to

1:21:52

LaOo, but we're together when the

1:21:55

national team plays. in the world,

1:21:57

in the state, what's it, it

1:21:59

is, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

1:22:02

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

1:22:04

it's, it's, it's, it's, in, in,

1:22:06

in, in, in, in, in, in,

1:22:09

in, in, in, in, in, in,

1:22:11

in, in, in, in, in, in,

1:22:13

in, in, in, in, in, in,

1:22:15

in, in, in, in, in, in,

1:22:18

in, in, in, in, Kevin Borhus

1:22:20

is his teammate is fighting so

1:22:22

he's not even in Lima Peru

1:22:25

to take in the game against

1:22:27

Bolivia World Cup qualifying. He says

1:22:29

he's been there for the past

1:22:32

month to acclimate with the altitude

1:22:34

but he'll be accompanying his his

1:22:36

teammate. So, I think that's it,

1:22:39

that's it, I mean, because, no,

1:22:41

I've already done this, I've been

1:22:43

trying to, maybe, I don't, I

1:22:45

have a problem with having, and,

1:22:48

as I've already said, I've got

1:22:50

a good team here, now a

1:22:52

lot of much of, there are

1:22:55

a lot of problems, for this

1:22:57

is a good idea, and I

1:22:59

can't say. I asked him about

1:23:02

his nickname, which is basically the

1:23:04

mute guy. And I asked him,

1:23:06

where does that stem from? He

1:23:08

says his coach gave it to

1:23:11

him when he was 17 years

1:23:13

of age. He'd come, he'd come,

1:23:15

he'd train, but he really wouldn't

1:23:18

socialize much with the team. So

1:23:20

that kind of stuck with him.

1:23:22

all right i was joking with

1:23:25

him and asked him if he

1:23:27

was arrogant or if he was

1:23:29

shy and he said he was

1:23:31

not arrogant he was just shy

1:23:34

but he says he's he's just

1:23:36

not a really a social guy

1:23:38

so that's more of where that

1:23:41

came from yeah I want to

1:23:43

ask you, you know, tell you.

1:23:45

One of these cases, as was

1:23:48

the first round, with interest on

1:23:50

zone, and a station, conportable, and,

1:23:52

what, say, my own popular arrogance.

1:23:55

Regresano is a part of the

1:23:57

process, much a quarter, a l'ermenos

1:23:59

dias, enfiasas, a s'ablar, a s'estiones,

1:24:01

and... All the time I'm telling

1:24:04

you, it's all going to see,

1:24:06

it's a little bit, that I

1:24:08

have interest in a zone, that's

1:24:11

what's confusing you, a confiance? C.

1:24:13

Caro, caro, I have a point

1:24:15

in that, I have, I've got

1:24:18

a, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:24:20

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:24:22

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:24:24

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:24:27

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:24:29

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:24:31

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:24:34

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:24:36

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:24:38

I've And if you want to,

1:24:41

if you want to, if you

1:24:43

want to, if you want to,

1:24:45

if you want to, if you

1:24:47

want to, if you want to,

1:24:50

if you want to, if you

1:24:52

want to. And if you want

1:24:54

to, if you want to, if

1:24:57

you want to, if you want

1:24:59

to, if you want to, if

1:25:01

you want to, if you want

1:25:04

to, if you want to, or

1:25:06

if you want to pass a

1:25:08

night. See, Clara, I thought I

1:25:10

was trying to determine the money

1:25:13

of the opponent, and I was

1:25:15

going to spend all the money

1:25:17

on, or the money on the

1:25:20

money, the money on the money

1:25:22

on the money, I have the

1:25:24

last two years. Those are the

1:25:27

comparisons of the Romanos Dias? No,

1:25:29

tanto. No tanto, I agree with

1:25:31

you on the different, no. Yeah,

1:25:34

I guess, like all of normal,

1:25:36

I mean, I'll pass as a

1:25:38

lot of the amount of the

1:25:40

whole. Okay, I asked him that

1:25:43

in the fight, I noticed that

1:25:45

once he gets about to the

1:25:47

first round, he starts talking to

1:25:50

his opponent, making gestures, and he

1:25:52

reminds me a little bit about

1:25:54

the Diaz Brothers, and he says,

1:25:57

yeah, he goes, that's pretty much

1:25:59

what comes out. He reaches a

1:26:01

point in the fight where he

1:26:03

gets really, really comfortable. and he

1:26:06

starts to use that weapon, that

1:26:08

mind, those mind games, the verbal

1:26:10

games to break his opponent. But

1:26:13

when I asked him if he

1:26:15

liked the comparison of the ideas,

1:26:17

he says, well, not too much.

1:26:20

He goes because they seem to

1:26:22

be that way, you know, all

1:26:24

the time, whereas I only use

1:26:26

it when I'm inside the cage.

1:26:29

Yeah, it's all manner as, when

1:26:31

I say the final day, it's

1:26:33

like a mobile, on the roof.

1:26:36

It's not really, that's not, I'm,

1:26:38

I'm, I'm, I'm, a, I'm, a,

1:26:40

a, I'm, a, a, I'm, a,

1:26:43

I'm, a, I'm, a, a, I'm,

1:26:45

a, I'm, a, I'm a, a,

1:26:47

a, I'm, I mean, a, a,

1:26:49

a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:26:52

a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:26:54

a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:26:56

a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:26:59

a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:27:01

a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:27:03

a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:27:06

who his opponent will be. This

1:27:08

is what I have said much

1:27:10

for the team for a key

1:27:13

idea in MMA, junkie radio. And

1:27:15

there were those who were, as

1:27:17

well as get the, gosh, a,

1:27:19

gosh, a, gosh, a, sunturon, when

1:27:22

it was a, gosh, this is

1:27:24

a, poupeis, and for a lot

1:27:26

of most of these people, but

1:27:29

one of the other professional, but

1:27:31

of say, well, this. I thank

1:27:33

them for the time on the

1:27:36

show and also told them, you

1:27:38

know, a lot of problems, including

1:27:40

us, you know, curious. But when

1:27:42

I'm a team guy, I've already

1:27:45

told him, oh, and I'm a

1:27:47

person in the theater, right? So

1:27:49

it's a time I am for

1:27:52

the invitation, and I'm a list,

1:27:54

but I've got this in through

1:27:56

on a dozen. I thank them

1:27:59

for, you know, the time on

1:28:01

the show, and also told them,

1:28:03

you know, you know, a lot

1:28:05

of Peruvians, including us, are, are,

1:28:08

And obviously he seems to comport

1:28:10

him so well. He's also, you

1:28:12

know, looked up to by a

1:28:15

lot of the kids because the

1:28:17

scene in Peru is growing. So

1:28:19

he seems to be at least.

1:28:22

from the distance, you know, we

1:28:24

haven't observed them up close, but

1:28:26

a good role model for them

1:28:29

and he says, hey, I take

1:28:31

a lot of pride in that,

1:28:33

he thinks this for the interview

1:28:35

and he says, Ariva Peru, he

1:28:38

can't wait to bring the belt

1:28:40

home. On a scale of 1-10,

1:28:42

how was it? When someone's high,

1:28:45

it was lakeers, it was lakeers,

1:28:47

it may more like keep on

1:28:49

the end of your ass, it's

1:28:52

a lot more scambils. On a

1:28:54

scale of 1 to 10, how

1:28:56

was my translating goes? East. Oh,

1:28:58

okay. When someone's voice goes high,

1:29:01

it's not much confidence behind it.

1:29:03

Well, because you did good translating.

1:29:05

I think just one time, maybe

1:29:08

you just forgot to do it.

1:29:10

But when you did it, it

1:29:12

was good. Thank you. I really

1:29:15

want to go to their gym

1:29:17

and Lima one day. I want

1:29:19

the EOC to go to Lima

1:29:21

one day. I want the EOC

1:29:24

to build a little PI and

1:29:26

Lima one day. That'd be kind

1:29:28

of cool, actually. It's a bit

1:29:31

of a hotbed for fighters now

1:29:33

when you think about it like

1:29:35

Ecuador kind of had their moment

1:29:38

Argentina a little bit right Chile's

1:29:40

got what Bahamundas and maybe a

1:29:42

couple others, but I think Peru

1:29:44

is part Chilean. So yeah, I

1:29:47

think what they want to do

1:29:49

is centrally located. So I could

1:29:51

see them having one in Peru

1:29:54

for the Peruvian, Bolivian Ecuadorian and

1:29:56

Chilean fighters and then I could

1:29:58

see them having one somewhere in

1:30:01

Brazil. Because there's more Brazilians than

1:30:03

Argentina's, but for maybe those those

1:30:05

countries to share with that one, but

1:30:08

I think it'd be a good

1:30:10

investment. I know they got one in

1:30:12

China already, and they got one in

1:30:14

Mexico. I think he said, we're going

1:30:16

to open like two or three

1:30:19

in Mexico. Hey, slow down. Yeah, like,

1:30:21

there's a few other countries I

1:30:23

think you can go down there

1:30:25

and start molding some fighters. You

1:30:27

know what I mean? We're going to talk

1:30:29

about Kane Balaskas on tomorrow's SBC, but

1:30:32

it's news. I think we talked about

1:30:34

it on Thursday show. He was sentenced, as

1:30:36

you all know, five years with

1:30:39

some time-serve credit, which amounts to

1:30:41

about three years. So what's left

1:30:43

for him? The service two years. So

1:30:45

we already addressed that on Thursday show,

1:30:47

but we'll talk about it a little

1:30:50

bit more on spinning back, because we

1:30:52

didn't talk about it in last week,

1:30:54

spinning back, click show. Connor

1:30:56

McGregor BKFC co-owner. He was

1:30:59

asked hey, you're kind of

1:31:01

making a run here to

1:31:04

Be president of Ireland

1:31:06

How serious is that and

1:31:08

does that impede your return

1:31:10

to fighting and he said,

1:31:13

you know, I'm just feeling

1:31:15

like I'm like I have

1:31:17

a calling and It's to fight

1:31:19

for my Irish people and

1:31:22

it could be that fighting

1:31:24

will just have to, I could be,

1:31:26

I could be okay with it, you

1:31:28

know, he knows he accomplished a lot

1:31:30

in fighting and he could just be

1:31:32

okay with it. But then he was

1:31:35

asked, but would you, if you were

1:31:37

president, would you fight? And he,

1:31:39

it looked like the idea spawned in

1:31:41

his head and he liked

1:31:43

it. Imagine the president of

1:31:45

a country actually competing in

1:31:47

combat sports. Now there are

1:31:50

some, poor, not apples, apples

1:31:52

examples of that, but, but, There

1:31:54

was a okay. What was

1:31:56

he like a secretary of

1:31:58

state or? Attorney General

1:32:00

for Nevada. Remember that guy? Yeah.

1:32:02

And he kept it quiet. He

1:32:05

didn't tell anyone, but he wouldn't

1:32:07

know. He fought. He won. It

1:32:09

was an amateur fight or whatever.

1:32:11

So there have been people that

1:32:13

did that. There have been, you

1:32:15

know, Kevin Johnson used to play

1:32:17

for the Phoenix sons. And then

1:32:19

he became the mayor of Sacramento.

1:32:21

However, he didn't do it while

1:32:23

he was a female son. Yeah,

1:32:25

it would be tough. So this

1:32:27

one's a little bit different. This

1:32:29

one requires you to exercise and

1:32:31

train, which, you know, a lot

1:32:33

of people, even politicians, do, and

1:32:36

you only have to perform once

1:32:38

or twice a year. It's not

1:32:40

like the 82 game grind that

1:32:42

Kevin Johnson did. So it would

1:32:44

be interesting to see someone doing

1:32:46

it while at the top. From

1:32:48

what I've heard, he doesn't have

1:32:50

much of a chance to become

1:32:52

president of Ireland. And two, we've

1:32:54

already seen even without having that

1:32:56

task in front of him, he's

1:32:58

just had trouble coming back to

1:33:00

fighting. So it could be he

1:33:02

goes oh and two on these

1:33:04

two, you know, possibilities. What do

1:33:06

you think happens here? I think

1:33:09

personally, Connor McGregor is addicted to

1:33:11

the high. Whatever the high is,

1:33:13

you know, I think he's addicted

1:33:15

to doing things that people tell

1:33:17

him he can't do. And to

1:33:19

his credit, he's done a lot

1:33:21

of those things. And I think

1:33:23

he just moves on from one

1:33:25

to the next. And I think

1:33:27

something like this, again, people tell

1:33:29

him, and probably can't do it.

1:33:31

And it makes him want to

1:33:33

do it more. But it also

1:33:35

kind of gives you a little

1:33:37

bit of an out from the

1:33:40

question of when you're going to

1:33:42

come back to fighting. You know,

1:33:44

you just hit him with, well,

1:33:46

I'm running for President Demi. I'm

1:33:48

getting political. I mean, it does

1:33:50

kind of save you from that.

1:33:52

I don't think much will come

1:33:54

out of it. Why do you

1:33:56

think he has in return? to

1:33:58