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Adam Curry: Mofax with Adam curry for September 11, 2024

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this is episode 100 Unknown: jumbo beats hallelujah. That's

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Adam Curry: right, this is it. The pinnacle. We have reached

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the mountaintop. Welcome to 100 the final episode. I'm Adam

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curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country.

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It is time for the last time to spin The Wheel of topics from

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here to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on

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the other end, the one and only. Mr. Mo, facts,

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Moe Factz: how you doing? Adam, Adam Curry: I'm much better now that I'm hearing you. Mo,

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although life is pretty good in general, it's good to hear your

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brother. It's good, good to have us back on the on the on the

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sticks, again, on the talking sticks, man,

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Moe Factz: it's always a good time that when we can get

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together and, uh, bring it to the table, yeah, under the rug,

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and get it on top of the table. Adam Curry: So it's a little bittersweet, because this is the

1:06

final episode in the series of mofacs with Adam curry. Also, I

1:10

think, when we were talking just before we started, we had a

1:13

quick chat. You know, neither of us are really good with dates.

1:15

And you said, two weeks ago, you said, Yeah, how about how is

1:19

your calendar for next week or in two weeks. And I said, it's

1:22

good because I'm going away when vacation, even though I was

1:26

working. But, you know, it's still trying to be vacation. And

1:30

we planned for this day, and only this morning did I realize,

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oh, it's September 11, which seems to have been forgotten

1:38

this year by most. Right? It's like, never forget what 23 years

1:43

later like, oh yeah, oh yeah. It says September 11. How old were

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you when 911 happened? Actually, Moe Factz: I was 20. Okay, all right,

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Adam Curry: so and so, then you were old enough to actually

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remember. But so many, I Moe Factz: remember it vividly, vividly, yeah, so, so

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Adam Curry: many don't remember it anymore. Anyway, that

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Moe Factz: was pre cell phone. But also, I like to say, Happy

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belated birthday. Adam Curry: Oh, thank you very much.

2:08

Moe Factz: I'm terrible at that. Don't hold it to my head, not my

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heart. It's people say Adam Curry: it's okay. It's more than okay. You know, Tina threw

2:18

a surprise party for me, and I was there. I know exactly,

2:23

exactly. She's like, you know, I don't think should have. She

2:27

said I was thinking about who to invite, but I didn't think that

2:30

would be the right place for you and Mo to meet face to face for

2:33

the first time. I'm like, I

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Moe Factz: was in the back corner. Adam Curry: I knew it, I knew you were there. I knew it, I

2:41

knew it, I knew it, I knew it, it's all good. Brother and I am

2:45

so excited to get started with the episode 100 now, I have no

2:49

idea what you've put together, because throughout the past four

2:53

years, four years. Now it's five, five years. That's right,

2:58

five years. I know I forgot it's actually four and a half years,

3:03

because we know it's no, it is five. You're right. It is, yeah,

3:07

because we started talking to date, that's right. We started

3:10

talking on the way back from my honeymoon, which was over five

3:15

years ago, and and just for a Genesis check for everybody, we

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were talking, and do we do just on DM? I think was Twitter DM,

3:24

for whatever reason, that was the mode of choice.

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Moe Factz: What happened was, I could tell a story. You said dos

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on the show. Oh, right, right, right, dos, that's right. And I

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sent you a Twitter DM. It says a DOS because the A is important,

3:41

because and that from there, it just went into the now, a DM

3:47

back and forth, and here we are, five years later.

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Adam Curry: Well, because you're essentially no agenda producer.

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And whenever I hear something from by all know that the no

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agenda producers are smarter than we are. And I was like,

4:00

Okay, this guy's No, this guy knows what he's talking about.

4:02

Was very interesting to me. And then we just kind of talk on the

4:06

phone, I think, for you know, once a week or something, you

4:09

say, Hey, let me catch you up on this. And then at a certain

4:12

point, I think I said, Dude, what are we doing here? We

4:16

should be recording this. And then I had your arm. Were you

4:22

doing the live the lives at that point? We doing? Yeah, I was

4:24

doing the live YouTube lives, yeah. Well, all of that is

4:28

culminated in this final episode. So for the last time,

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I'm gonna spin up the wheel of topics round and round it goes

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where it stops. Nobody knows, except for the man on the other

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end, my friend mofax, because he put it all together for us. The

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topic of episode 100 is the N word, ow, the word never spoken

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in 100 episodes, the N word yes, all right.

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Moe Factz: It's the rabbit hole of all rabbit holes. But before

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we dive in. And I think it's the it's a well deserved trigger

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warning. Trigger

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Unknown: warning. Adam Curry: All right, everybody set. We are good to go with

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trigger warnings in place. We are set. We're strapped in.

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Okay, Moe Factz: so I got it this show segment in blocks. So the first

5:25

block is going to be what the word possibly could mean and and

5:32

how you should react to either saying or hearing the Word. So

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for as we always do, we got to go to nearly fuller Yes, and

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he's going to explain if there is a definition for the word, if

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it's a Unknown: white supremacist, when they look at a non white person,

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they always come over what they call nicknames for them that

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they consider to be offensive, considered to be a put down. The

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white supremacists, they invent terms that they think that will

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make you, quote, unquote, angry, or make you feel bad, or make

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you go into a dejective mood. So but the way the code handles the

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word, the N word, I just simply say, you give it a definition,

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because that's where his power comes from. It doesn't have a

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definition. Every definition that I've ever seen for that has

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been it's a derogatory term for a person of African descent,

6:30

Negro or colored people of color, etc, etc, etc. And so

6:39

when a white person uses the word. They have found from

6:42

experience that they get a reaction from the non white

6:47

person that resents it, and so that's fun to them, that means

6:52

something to them, and so that they reserve that word because

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they get that kind of reaction, because they want that kind of

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reaction. That's Adam Curry: kind of interesting, because when Neely Fuller, JR

7:04

started off there, the first thing I thought was, oh, that's

7:08

what 45 savage does all the time. Little Marco, low energy

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Jeb, he's a white supremacist.

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Moe Factz: But the thing is, like, and here's the thing about

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this was special about this word is, I went back and looked

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because I thought it had a definition. Because growing up,

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you were told it means you're lazy, shiftless, ignorant, from

7:32

from your parents, you know, saying like, that's so you never

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want to be, you know. So that's what this word. It was an ugly

7:39

word, you know. This is what it means. At the same time, it was

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used, as we all know, as kind of either a term of endearment or a

7:50

jab or you're saying someone like in a jovial manner,

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interracial in the

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Adam Curry: 70s, although I too was taught never, ever, ever to

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use that word in normal day parlance. It was totally

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interracial, you know, as long as it was followed by please.

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Now that's the 70s. I think that changed a little bit. But then,

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you know, it became the N word, and the word never spoken by

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certainly not by white people. Moe Factz: So that we want to get to that, but let's just get

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to not having a definition. So if it doesn't have a definition,

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but it's used to elicit a certain reaction out of people,

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I've come to the understanding that this is a one word spell.

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Oh, Adam Curry: yes, very good. Yes. It is clear. And anything that

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elicits an emotional and often physical reaction, I think, is

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on that is the definition of a spell. Is it not? Abracadabra

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Moe Factz: has no meaning you're saying but it's uttered to

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elicit a reaction, a magical reaction, right? It's, this is

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the same, this is the same exact way. And I looked at other

9:10

racial slurs and even other slurs all over root from they

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all have a root, you know, like, I mean, because we know what the

9:17

F word means, you know. I mean, all, all. I mean, like wet back

9:22

that, you know, that comes from all of them, even you're saying

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all of them, but this one particular word only they say is

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derogatory. It's a derogatory. Why is it derogatory? And nobody

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ever answered that question, which, when I heard this clip

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many years ago, I started looking and like, what is this

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word? I mean, we understand. You don't say it. I'm this is my

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rule. I don't use the word in mixed company that that's my

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that's my rule. You know, saying, like, honestly, even

9:56

doing the show is quasi breaking the rule. But. This is for to

10:01

bring understanding for Adam Curry: science. Is for science, right?

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Moe Factz: And humanities, science and humanities, but

10:10

exactly so, yeah, so it does not have a definition, which, I

10:15

mean, I'm trying to say, I look, I'll try to find old

10:18

dictionaries that might they might, because, you know, they

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always change in definitions. But like I said, growing up, the

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spoken definition was ignorant, shiftless, lazy, that kind of

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thing. That was the meaning, but And on paper, it never has. And

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if somebody does have an old dictionary with a definition,

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please screenshot it. Send him to mofax@gmail.com because so

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Adam Curry: if I can just read from the Merriam Webster

10:47

Dictionary, which is, although they've changed all kinds of

10:51

meanings over the years, such as vaccine, you're right, it says

10:57

used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a black

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person, but it doesn't define what it is used as. When you say

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it's insulting, insulting, you're right. There is no actual

11:15

definition of what it means, but it is, according to Merriam

11:21

Webster, almost certainly the most offensive and inflammatory

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racial slur in English without a meaning, yes, whereas the F word

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that definitely has a definition, you know the yeah,

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there's Moe Factz: a lot wicked PD list with all The other racial slurs

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and their origins, but this one is just a derogatory word for a

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black person. And here's the other thing, like, when they

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want to use it for other groups, they'll throw something in front

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of it, yes, yeah. You know saying and it, but it still

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doesn't have a definition, yeah? So, I mean, I don't want to get

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hung up on this first clip. I just want to because, like, I

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said this, we're playing with a powder keg here. Seriously. I

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mean, like, it shouldn't be, but the fact that it is, that, you

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know, is more to it than just being a term for sure. So, all

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right, let's go into get to the second part is clear. They want

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Unknown: the black person to get upset. And knowing this, years

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ago, I came up with a definition for it. Says derogatory is a

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derogatory term, but they don't tell you why. See, that's the

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key to its power. Yes, sir, the minute you give a definition to

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a word, it begins to lose its power because it limits its

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power to that definition. Oh, yeah. But if you don't give it a

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definition, I can call you by any name. I can make up a name

12:48

right now and call it, call you by that name, and you don't know

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what it is I'm calling you. I have power over you because now

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you are reacting to something that you can't understand, and

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because that's what it really is. But I say that a N You know,

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when they use the N word, I have it in the code book. It's just a

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term that the white supremacists use to say that I'm a victim of

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white supremacy. That's basically what they're saying.

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Because you can't be the N word without being a victim of white

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supremacy. If you're not a victim of white supremacy, you

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can't be that. So by definition, they're just saying you're a

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prisoner of war. Oh, Adam Curry: that's that's interesting. So it's really an

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affirmation. When you respond to it, you are affirming that

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you're this victim of war, Moe Factz: no where they're saying you or whether you're not

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you referring to it or not. What they're saying is in more recent

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terms, and this is something I've thought about. It's the way

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of saying you're not like us. Sure that that's that like, how

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this whole Ken Lamar thing foreshadowing,

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Adam Curry: they like us, yeah, okay, yeah. Say you're

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Moe Factz: on the side of this line, and we're on the other

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side of this line, and it's meant to one, put you in your

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place, to to hopefully, well, not all the time, but in some

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cases, in more recent history, we've seen on video or

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everything else to elicit a response out of you. And here's,

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here's the weird, here's the weird part. Yeah, I said that.

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Oh, I'm not counting. Yeah, here's the strange part. Is that

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if you react to the word violently, then you actually put

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yourself in that predicament of actually becoming a slave by the

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13th Amendment. How you like that? Interesting, because you

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haul off, hit the person. Now a criminal in charge is. You

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convicted of that crime, you become actual slave.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, you do. I'm just gonna withhold because I'm

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loving the I'm loving your layout here.

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Moe Factz: Okay, so now what we have to do is because I know

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some I can hear. I can hear them triggered already. This is what

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you do if you're ever called that word per nearly Fuller, we

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Unknown: don't know what to do when we isolate it with a whole bunch of white folks, and we need a cold for handling that's

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one thing I learned being on that mountain in Japan, because

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there's mostly white guys up there. And you know what I got

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along with them, because I had a code I learned real quick that

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that's all I needed. Put me around any bunch of white folks

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I don't have no problem when they use the word niggle, which

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is what they did. Oh, even flinch. I don't bat an eye. Why

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codification? That's the only difference between me and other

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black guy. We're both black. But why is it that I acted different

16:19

from the way he acted? He goes berserk. I was calm all the time

16:28

now, because I'm smarter or stronger or whatever. No

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codification. I'm going according to a code

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codification, Moe Factz: don't flinch, don't move, just look at them. And to

16:44

go back to a previous episode when we talked about the other N

16:47

word, Neanderthal, yes, and how we saw that being used

16:53

interracial between, quote unquote white people and quote

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unquote orange people, which is another derogatory term that

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they took a color and made it a term or a slur. They throw this

17:07

word around, Neanderthal. But even that has some kind of root

17:12

to it, even if not true, you understand, okay, this is your

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logic. How you got to being this being a slur. But once again,

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the N word doesn't have a slur, which I'm gonna stand on, that

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it is a spell. It is a one word spell to elicit a reaction, and

17:32

if you feed into that reaction, then you're playing right into

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the person's hand and doing exactly what they want to do. So

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as Millie Fuller said, you had, you have to have codification

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and not react. Adam Curry: I saw a video just this week. You might have seen

17:52

it. I think it was like it looked like an Asian woman, and

17:55

she was on the subway, and she was just yelling the N word at

17:59

this black lady and going over and over, and she just, and she

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was in, you know, she didn't let the spell affect her. It was

18:06

really interesting. And the whole thing had no power.

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Moe Factz: That's the point. That's the thing. It's like, you mashing the button, yeah, and the button is not like a

18:16

doorbell. You were saying it's like, it's not working. I'm

18:18

mashing your butt, and it's not working. Here's another example

18:22

with with Rogan. When they dug up those old tapes, right? They

18:27

thought black people were going to be all upset with Rogan, you

18:30

know, which I said I was more upset with his comments about

18:34

the monkeys, you understand? Because that's right, the Planet

18:36

of the Apes. Yeah, that goes. That leans into scientific

18:40

racism, but it's, it's losing its power, yeah, because I think

18:48

it's a consciousness of awareness to say, You know what,

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you want me to react. You want me to, uh, spazz and, you know,

18:59

and just, just wow out, like you said, like you saw on the video,

19:04

you know, and hopeful, you know, say, I'm hopeful. That's the

19:09

case. But let's get back into more of how to be codified with

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nearly fuller when white Unknown: people say nigga around me, I don't flinch, I don't bat

19:19

an eye. All you got to do is just tell yourself that you know

19:23

you don't have to get permission from nobody and nothing. You

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just tell yourself, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna even

19:30

look up. Whatever I'm doing. I'm not gonna even look around. Keep

19:34

doing that's what I'm doing. Because they say anyone I'm not

19:38

around anyway. Already know that. See understanding, I

19:44

understand racism. I'm not expecting them to act any other

19:51

way. They walk around, say, nigga all day, won't bother me

19:55

out and not at all. None. Nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger.

20:00

All day long, will not bother me. I mean, they can try it, you

20:03

know, they can come in and announce, well, fellow.

20:07

Yesterday, I counted the times I said, nigga, it came to 312 I'm

20:13

gonna double that today. Help yourself. Triple it. You know,

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Adam Curry: how old is this? This particular piece with newly

20:29

full this Moe Factz: piece is probably, I'm gonna say, about 15 years

20:33

old. Yeah, maybe, you know, saying, maybe somewhere around

20:36

there, 12 to 12 to 15 years old. Um, but that's how you got the

20:40

attitude. You got triple it. Because, here's the thing, the

20:45

all because people say, Oh, I felt disrespected going back to

20:48

code, right? The only respect is self respect, and the only way

20:53

you can disrespect yourself is lie to yourself. That's it.

20:59

Yeah, completely what you do is you don't become a slave to your

21:04

emotions. That's where they want you at. They want you in your

21:07

emotional and your emotions. And like you said, That lady was

21:11

trying to poke that woman's button to set her off. And we

21:15

all have buttons. And because I said this is not, hopefully this

21:20

show is bigger than the word. This is, what is your word?

21:24

Because we all got a word for women. It's the B word. I mean,

21:29

for every racial group, there's a word you know or whatever,

21:34

what is your word and can you conquer your emotions? It's kind

21:38

of that word. It's kind Adam Curry: of the definition of trolling, yes, because I get

21:45

trolled a lot just for my opinions or for stuff I say on

21:50

no agenda, and the minute you give into it, and the minute you

21:56

respond, then they know, ah, got him. There's his trigger word,

21:59

there's his trigger and then to respond, Yes, but the minute you

22:04

respond negatively, if emotional, etc, yeah, but even,

22:08

I mean, obviously, even responding is a win for the

22:12

troll, because the troll just wants to ride on My flow.

22:16

Obviously, correct. Hey, how's Rocco doing,

22:21

Moe Factz: he's alive and, well, I mean,

22:25

Adam Curry: he's good, he's good. It Moe Factz: must be the male lady, because her as, I don't

22:29

know what that relationship between male trucks and dogs,

22:31

but something weird about it, yeah, but just getting back to

22:35

the point, yeah, everybody, that's this, the ultimate troll.

22:38

And so, yeah, so you just don't respond emotionally. Just just

22:44

look and like, okay, triple it. You want to troll. Triple,

22:49

triple your troll. You know, that kind of thing, right,

22:52

right? Just for a minute, just because we always get weave in

22:56

and out of what's going on in current events. This happened on

23:00

the debate last night? Yes, as soon, as soon as Kamala Harris

23:09

says something about Trump's crowd leaving it trolled him.

23:15

Yeah, you're right. And, and I was like, No, don't take debate,

23:21

you know, don't just look at her. You know, just look at her.

23:25

He stay on point. He did Adam Curry: pretty well with most of it. She now the troll

23:32

that she was trying continuously was he doesn't respect our

23:36

military. And he tripled that. He did not respond. I mean, he

23:41

was really good at that, but yeah, the crowd size thing? No,

23:45

no, he couldn't help himself there. And

23:48

Moe Factz: I don't know what that is I mean, because, like, I

23:50

mean, we know he's a hospitality guy, and maybe that is a trigger

23:54

for him, but I'm just showing people example that everybody

23:59

has something. If you leave that sore spot open and you don't

24:04

address it, and you know, saying, get to the root of why

24:06

you feel that way, you're always going to be a slave to your

24:10

emotions. That's correct. So all right, so let's get into number

24:13

eight. See, Unknown: it's a mindset that codification is a mindset, but

24:20

it's orchestrated. It's precision. You start breaking

24:24

bad and calling them white and all this old kind of stuff and

24:27

all like that. Hey, it has just opposite effect. Found that out

24:31

real early. The other ones tiptoeing. When they use the

24:34

word nigger. They start tiptoeing from you know, start

24:36

wanting to do in your favor because you didn't react. Not at

24:40

all, none seeing that what? What's that's telling them is

24:45

that this guy is black. I don't know whether he's a nigga or

24:49

not. In fact, I don't know what in the hell he is, you know,

24:56

other than weird and. That's one thing that white supremacists

25:01

don't like. You don't like to be able not to be able to figure

25:04

you out. Adam Curry: Oh, interesting, double interesting that he used

25:09

the term weird, which was, was an attempt to, you know, like an

25:17

N word for JD Vance, for Trump, that was, you know, which was

25:22

not bad as an attempt. But of course, it doesn't really stick,

25:26

because it doesn't have any historical connotation.

25:30

Moe Factz: Once again, it's a spell. Yeah, yeah, the word

25:33

weird was used as a spell. It's once you're not like us, we're

25:39

over here, and you're over there, you're weird. By being

25:43

over there, weird, how? How am I weird? And you can't really give

25:47

you a definition, it's just like, Oh, you're supposed to be

25:50

upset because you're not over here with us. Words are

25:56

fascinating. And I'm a self, I'm weird, if you haven't noticed,

26:03

you say, like, No, you can't get a rise out of me. Like, all the

26:10

stuff we went through with the covid stuff and the job, you

26:14

can't get a rise out of me, because I live by trying to be

26:21

on code as much as possible. Of The only thing I will not do is

26:29

lie to myself. Adam Curry: Can you remember the last time someone non black use

26:37

the N word on you Moe Factz: the let me see the all, okay, the only time I've

26:44

had it used on me was in eighth grade. And this is a person that

26:53

was supposed we were friends, I remember, or acquaintances. We

26:57

were in gym class and some of his white friends, was like, I

27:03

bet you won't call him this. And yeah. And then I was like, I'll

27:09

bet you won't, you know that kind of Yeah, of course, yeah,

27:13

yeah. And you know it was he said it. And then we're saying

27:18

we got the tussling, but I mean, that that's the thing. It was

27:21

he, I don't think he really wanted to do it, yeah,

27:24

Adam Curry: it was what he was, but so, but that's interesting.

27:27

So that's 32 years ago, give or take, yeah. And so in those 32

27:34

years, the worst possible word, the spell of all spells, is not

27:39

being used against you. Yeah, that can't be, this is America.

27:45

We're the most racist country in the world. How is that possible?

27:48

Moe Factz: Well, it's, it's reserved for, first of all, I

27:53

don't, I don't get into a lot of conflict that. I mean, that's,

27:57

that's one thing is that just about me, if stuff is about to

28:02

go left, I'm out of here. Like, I mean, like, I'll remove myself

28:06

from situations I don't put myself. Eclass always tells me

28:10

that he's, like, if stuff's going down, you ain't gonna be

28:12

there, you know, that kind of Adam Curry: thing. So because you're smart, like, you wanna be

28:16

part of that nonsense, Moe Factz: I can read the room. I've always been good at that,

28:21

like, even in if you're in a party, or whatever the music's

28:25

going, but I can tell there's a conversation is escalating, and

28:29

I'm the guy like, I'm out of here. I'm gonna always, yeah, I

28:33

always would drive the parties. I would never ride the parties,

28:36

because I'm like, I want to leave when I want to be able to

28:39

leave, that kind of thing. So, yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's here.

28:46

I'm gonna tell you how it's racist in America when they

28:49

expect you to be the N word, that that's how it's right. And

28:55

my daughters went through this when they expected her to be the

29:02

black friend, the stereotypical black friend, that kind of

29:09

thing. Because I know it's like my oldest daughter, my other

29:12

kids, not as much, but she started to speak in slang and

29:17

that kind I'm like, You don't talk like that, but, but her

29:20

friends wanted her to be the black friend, right? That kind

29:24

of thing. Like I said, that's where, that's where we're it's a

29:28

it's if we refine racism now the N word is, is? It's only used

29:34

to, like, I believe it's only used to try to get people locked

29:37

up, like, hit me. So, you know, yeah, you can call and call the

29:43

cops and get you locked up. I think that's the that's the

29:46

purpose of it now, because we're so saturated in it as well. I

29:51

mean, that it doesn't hit like it would in the 70s, 80s, even

29:56

90s, that kind of thing, right? So, you. All right, let's get to

30:00

this last and final piece of advice from nearly fuller see

30:03

Unknown: weird niggas. I mean, no, you don't want them on the

30:06

plantation or nothing, and see nothing more weirder than a

30:13

black person on his own wavelength, got his own way of

30:18

thinking. Doesn't fit in nowhere. You might call loosely,

30:22

kind of in his own world. Man, the things that you think he'll

30:26

react to, you don't react at all. And he come up with some

30:31

strange things when he starts talking this out of nowhere. And

30:35

very seldom talks about anything unless it pertains to something

30:39

that's a weird nigga you can say anything around. He just listens

30:44

and looks at you. Sometimes looks like he's looking through

30:46

you. So back on the plantation days, they got rid of him, they

30:50

sold him down the river, and the next shipment, they put him off

30:53

on some other plantation on well, why did you sell him? You

31:00

know, I don't know. I just got a bad feeling about it. Well, what

31:05

does he do? He does what the other niggas do. He does what,

31:08

does what he's told. But it's something strange about him, you

31:11

know, he's not laughing. He playing the tambourine. You

31:16

know, he didn't get mad and cry. Well, you know, when I talked to

31:20

him like I did, he just looks at me like he's looking in another

31:24

world. Last year, I had three of them like that. I got rid all of

31:28

them. Adam Curry: Isn't that, seeing as we've discussed, it certainly

31:33

the beginning of the show we talked about the trauma based

31:36

entertainment of Alex Haley's roots. Yes, that was exactly

31:41

what Toby was like, Moe Factz: yep. And that was the RE. How can I say it? That was

31:48

the RE, the update. That was a system where update for that

31:56

generation of that word, yeah. Software Update, yeah, yeah, the

31:59

software that was okay. We need to. It's time for update. We

32:04

need to, and we have these. We're going to get to other ones

32:07

along the way. But I'm glad you brought that up, because I

32:09

didn't cover it in this Roots was that you're not like us, and

32:16

this is who you were, and this is how we're going to remind you

32:19

who you were when we use this word, and it worked because,

32:23

like I said, my dad and his friends, they went to school

32:26

fighting the whole week when

32:28

Adam Curry: that came out, when the series came out, yes,

32:32

Moe Factz: see my dad, he's a total different person. For me.

32:35

He's, he's a total well, like, yeah, he's, he's short on the on

32:41

the fuse when that kind of stuff comes around. And I guess that's

32:46

me. He's like, you don't want to be like your parents. You learn

32:51

from your parents. And I was more like and I've always been

32:54

like that. Like, even with my older brother, like with mama

32:57

jokes, we be back in the back of the bus telling jokes, whatever,

33:00

like that. And whenever somebody went to the mama joke, or my

33:02

brother wanted to fight, I'm just gonna get a better mama

33:07

joke off on you. This is where we're going, you know, that kind

33:11

of thing. So not, and I'm not copying nearly fuller. What I

33:15

found was, here's another weird one, you know, like, like me you

33:20

don't like because you, when you tell people, I don't that, don't

33:22

upset me like that. Don't set you. You don't want to, you

33:25

don't want to hurt somebody. Like, no, because I'm the type

33:29

if you gonna do something, do it. But like, bust a move. Like,

33:31

like, Bernie Matt, say, bust a move, you know. GBG, you know.

33:35

Say it is what it is. But if we just gonna sit here and bump

33:38

gums, all right, you say what you said, Cool, but you're not

33:42

gonna touch me. Now, let's get that. Let's get that very

33:44

different. That's different, yeah, but that's how you have to

33:48

be with it, like you're not gonna touch me. You can say what

33:50

you want to say. Now, here's the gray area, and me and grunt.

33:55

Talk about this all the time when you're a woman's

33:58

disrespected, Adam Curry: but that's You just said it. That's different. It

34:03

doesn't matter how she's disrespected, right?

34:07

Moe Factz: Because, like, you have to go home with her, yeah,

34:09

and you don't want to lose your standing you're saying, but

34:13

hopefully you're with a woman that's on code too. But like, I

34:15

said, when that I'm just saying, like, there's times to crash out

34:19

and times not to crash out. But yeah, so it's just over words.

34:26

Now I'm good. You said what you said. Now I'm But me, I'm I can

34:31

see where it's going left. Adam Curry: But these days, we have taken the culture to and

34:36

when I said the culture, I mean the general overall culture, to

34:41

to a place where there are many n words and many things you

34:45

can't say because, well, that's interesting to think about that

34:50

way, because they, by definition, now, are triggering

34:53

use the wrong pronoun. You can trigger someone out in the

34:56

grocery store. You. Moe Factz: We're hypersensitive now, yeah, which that comes from

35:05

being over stimulated and more trauma based entertainment, yes,

35:11

Adam Curry: but it's, but it's still all programming. This is

35:14

taught programming like, you know, pronouns is a great I

35:20

mean, I hear kids and parents conversing about pronouns. Of

35:25

course, it's flipped. Now it's no longer the parents saying,

35:28

Oh, now, listen, now, Johnny, you got to say they or them,

35:31

just those. Make it. Don't make a mistake. Now it's the kids

35:34

telling the parents, oh no, no, no, no. The you can't do that,

35:38

dad. It's you got to say they or them, or, if you don't know for

35:42

sure, you got to ask. I mean, this, this, it's program. It's

35:46

come from school, but it's programming that is on the same

35:50

level. And we're in a way, we're all colored Now, one way or the

35:56

other, there's something that you can say to the other person

35:59

that will trigger them, yes,

36:01

Moe Factz: but here's the thing, who establishes what can be said

36:07

and what can't be said? Adam Curry: Satan, Hello, yeah,

36:11

Moe Factz: so that's, that's the thing. That's who has the real

36:14

power is who controls who plugs the words in and says, you can

36:20

say this. You can't say this, this. This was okay last week,

36:26

just like I was more skin to go back to debate. Debate. I heard

36:29

Kamala Harris say, Kamala, how you want to say even her name

36:33

you were saying is a trigger. I mean, like even that it is,

36:36

yeah, is that she said a woman can have a baby. Blah, blah,

36:40

blah, blah, blah. It didn't matter what she was talking

36:42

about. But I'm like, Oh, now you can say a woman, yes. Like,

36:46

don't you supposed to say birthing person? I mean, like,

36:49

but see this one saying, this is the lick what you

36:55

Adam Curry: sound like? Tina sitting on the couch watching that debate. She's except she yells it at the TV is great. The

37:03

Moe Factz: reason why is the rules are always fluid, but

37:08

that's meant by design to cause mass confusion. It's like, I

37:13

can't tell you what a woman is, and you can't say only women,

37:17

but then when I'm trying to win a general election, I have to

37:22

use different terminology so I don't turn certain people off.

37:26

And it's this constant calculus going back and forth and back

37:29

and forth, and it makes people exhausted. But I have to ask,

37:34

and it's a rhetorical question, who's pulling the levers on all

37:38

these this is acceptable. This is not acceptable. For example,

37:43

the lady that got shot in Chicago, not a peep. Not much.

37:47

No, you follow that, you know, saying, like, four years ago,

37:52

same, same scenario, somebody, a colored person, gets killed by

37:57

the cops. Adam Curry: It was, it was sure.

38:01

Moe Factz: So like, who is, you know, who is, who was making

38:04

these decisions of when is something reporting? And when

38:08

you use logic, it kind of just, it unravels, you know, what

38:14

they're trying to do, because it's like, no that that doesn't

38:17

make sense. That's not logical. Adam Curry: This is a core question, a very core question,

38:22

and we don't have to try and answer it right here. But I know

38:26

for sure there's not some, some group of dudes sitting on, you

38:32

know, stroking their beards, and they got the white cat. Let's

38:36

make this. Let's make this the one. It doesn't work like that.

38:42

You know, it's when it behooves, I think you mentioned this, when

38:45

it behooves multiple groups at the same time, then they

38:48

converge, and then it becomes the thing. And the woman in

38:54

Chicago, it wasn't the thing. It didn't benefit enough groups,

38:59

right? Enough, enough of the dark forces to go and turn it

39:03

into the thing. It could have easily done that. I mean, you

39:06

and I think you and I were kind of waiting for it like, Oh, this

39:08

is going to happen. It's going to happen. It didn't happen

39:11

because it didn't behoove enough groups at the same time.

39:15

Moe Factz: And it would have been blowback, because Kamala,

39:21

or Kamala, however, you want to say it identifies as law

39:26

enforcement now, yeah, yes. And I disagree with you respectfully

39:34

to say there is somebody or a group of people saying, Nah, you

39:38

know, it's political calculus. Like, no, we can't touch that,

39:41

because then they might draw the link between her being, you

39:45

know, a part of the law enforcement apparatus, and that

39:50

could be negative to us. And this is how they sit back. And

39:55

we know, like I said, those levers, is now we can't, oh,

39:58

that's a good one, but we can't. Can't take, you know, because if

40:01

we take that, when men make encounter with this, it's like

40:04

chess, you know, like I could take that piece, but what?

40:08

What's the effects gonna be, 567, moves down the board if I

40:12

take that piece? Adam Curry: Yeah, I'll agree with you, in that case, because

40:16

of the DNC and the messages they wanted to send. In this case,

40:20

yes, it was. It was not politically the right

40:22

motivation. I think all the other groups were in play, and

40:27

could have taken the ball and run with it if the signal was

40:30

given. But by the same token, if, if one of these other groups

40:36

had had made it a real issue, and it wasn't in, you know,

40:40

Illinois, slash Chicago, where people are killed, you know,

40:43

1020 a weekend. So I think there was, there's an apathy, like,

40:48

okay, whatever, you know, it wasn't the thing

40:51

Moe Factz: that's part of it too. But even the same thing

40:53

with the supposed riots that were supposed to happen at the

40:57

DNC, that didn't happen. No, didn't happen. This is like, you

41:00

know, whatever I mean. I'm sure there's some concessions made to

41:03

make people stand down, but let's get back on the clip list.

41:10

And like I said that, but it's all pertinent to what we're

41:12

talking about. But this is the official narrative of the

41:17

history of the N word, and I believe this is from, want to

41:21

say PBS, but no, no, no, Washington Post. That's what it

41:25

was. Washington Post number 10.

41:34

Unknown: At its root, the word is n, i, G, E R, the Latin word

41:38

for Black. But as soon as enslaved Africans were brought

41:41

to these shores, the word, pronounced with various accents

41:45

and emphasis, was used to depict them, not just as something

41:48

derogatory, but as something not quite evolved from ape to human

41:51

being. By examining this one word, we get an understanding of

41:56

not only who we are, but who we have been and who we might

41:59

become. This two syllable word and its evolution reveals much

42:04

about American society. There

42:06

is some risk in attempting to isolate the idea of contemporary

42:10

culture and comparing and contrasting it to early American

42:13

culture. For me, it's an artificial distinction. I think

42:16

it's more useful to look at this word and its usage as part of a

42:19

seamless strand, really a seamless narrative that runs

42:22

from the beginning, from before the beginning of the country, to

42:26

where we are now. In 1619, settlers in Jamestown were already using the word to

42:31

describe the enslaved blacks. You will find that British redcoats, and this is well documented,

42:37

used the N word when they taunted the Revolutionary Army,

42:41

because the idea was, you're so weak you have to use niggers to

42:45

bolster your troops. Adam Curry: Oh, it's the British

42:49

Unknown: the Yankees. Once again, that's interesting. And

42:56

Moe Factz: just to go back, we were talking about the origin of

42:59

this show. This is why the A was important, and why I contacted

43:03

you. Like, no, the a dude and people want us to be ashamed of

43:08

being identified as American, but we have a unique existence,

43:14

that's for sure. We have a very and this word, I would say, is

43:19

very American. Now, I'm sure it's used other places, but it's

43:28

and I might be wrong you're saying, but I think this word is

43:31

very American in nature. Yeah, so I'm just saying like that, go

43:38

to show you like even when you were saying dos. It's like, no,

43:41

not. What impressed me about is you, you were on DOS early,

43:46

like, early, early, before even any of this lineage talk was

43:50

talked about. And I was like, He's heading down the right

43:52

path. But let me just add the A to it, and you were spot on. You

43:58

were like, You were you were on it. Like, I think this group

44:01

over here is like, you know, kind of, don't, you know, want

44:05

to be identified as his own thing, right? Yeah. So we've,

44:09

we've been here and we're not going anywhere. I hope people

44:13

understand that we're not going anywhere. We've been here, and

44:18

you've seen even before, it here wasn't here. We were here, yeah,

44:24

so it is like, it is kind of, that's, that's a rub to me, is

44:28

like we're visitors or something, no, and that's why we

44:32

feel so and just to speak for a group for a minute, so

44:35

disrespected that the red carpet is rolled out for all these

44:41

other groups of people, even though, and this is, this is

44:45

where I wrestle with myself on they are victims of white

44:49

supremacy, the system of white supremacy as well, but it's like

44:54

when we're talking about addressing needs. You. My people

45:00

have specific needs to be addressed. If you got it, you

45:04

were saying, we, it's like, if I, you know, if you, um, if you

45:09

promise to take your kids somewhere, right? And it's

45:12

probably a bad analogy, but the first one you promised, that's

45:15

the one you supposed to take first. You know, I'm saying you

45:18

don't you honor your your debts in the order you made them, that

45:22

kind of thing, you know. But like I said, it's just that's a

45:27

tangent for me. It's like, bro, we American. American is just as

45:31

much as us. We are American. Adam Curry: Here's what I learned this summer. It's just

45:37

how poorly understood our history is, you know. And of

45:40

course, the history belongs to the victor, but our schooling

45:45

system has done such an injustice to all of American

45:49

history. You know, when we went to Plymouth, and people go to

45:54

Plymouth, oh, let's go see that rock, you know. Turns out that

45:57

rock, you know, some 95 years after the Pilgrims landed, some

46:02

dude said, oh, yeah, I think that was the rock. And, oh,

46:05

let's build a thing around the rock. But the monument to the

46:08

forefathers, you never hear about that, which is an amazing

46:13

it's like, the, it's like the, it's like the the children of

46:16

Israel, you know, stack the pebbles, the stones, like, this

46:19

is the, this is the real Georgia guidestone of America. And

46:22

similarly, the relationship between African descendants of

46:28

slavery throughout time has been very poorly reported. Slavery

46:34

has been poorly reported throughout the world has been

46:36

poorly reported. Moe Factz: But here's the difference, just just to point

46:41

it out, we have no history but America. Everything pre America

46:48

was robbed, stolen, you know, erased from our hard drive. We

46:53

were reformatted. So, like only thing we understand, only thing

46:59

we know is America. So honestly, we're the purest Americans there

47:04

are, if you really think about it, because there's nothing

47:08

struggling against that American identity, like when people come

47:11

here from other countries, their home country, is struggling with

47:14

their American identity. We have nothing wrestling with that

47:18

American identity. Unknown: Uh, yeah, I'm with you,

47:23

Moe Factz: so I'm just saying, like, I mean, like, I just

47:26

wanted, like, I don't know, like, hey, nobody gonna knock us

47:31

out our spot, but uh, number 11. But

47:34

Unknown: it wasn't just the clan that used the term. The N word

47:37

permeated almost every aspect.

47:39

Adam Curry: Oh, we just jumped to the clan from 1619 All right,

47:44

where's the clan now? But Unknown: it wasn't just the clan that used the term the N word

47:49

permeated almost every aspect of pop culture and daily life, as

47:53

if it had arisen from the National ground water. And then

47:57

when you look at the the the best selling songs in the 1920s

48:02

and 30s, equivalent of the billboards hot 100 we might say

48:06

today we're looking at songs that not only use nigger

48:08

throughout the lyrics, but have nigger in the title. At the same

48:11

time, I like to say you could stand in your kitchen during

48:14

this period and you could do a slow 360 turn, and everywhere

48:18

you turn, your eyes would land on the word nigga, from your

48:21

stove polish to the trade names for your fruits and vegetables,

48:24

to the penny bank that your child has, to the board games

48:27

that your child plays with, to the card games that the adults

48:30

play in the parlor next to the piano with the nigga songster

48:33

sitting on it. Wow, yeah,

48:37

Moe Factz: that's less than 100 years ago. Yeah. So I'm just

48:41

saying but, but at the same time, this is what I'm saying

48:44

about our identity, you know, is, is baked into American

48:48

history. But I'll continue once again, like I said, this is the

48:53

the Washington Post narrative of the history of the word. You

48:56

were gonna say something? Yeah, I Adam Curry: was, I was gonna ask you. I And then all of a sudden,

49:04

you took me back to Washington Post, it'll come back to me. Let

49:07

me just I'll let me. Let's get into the next clip, and then

49:10

maybe it'll go back Unknown: to me. The reigning heavyweight boxing champion of

49:13

the world, Muhammad Ali, refused to serve in the war in Vietnam.

49:17

His reasoning set off a national Firestorm.

49:20

They shoot them for what they never call me nigga. They never

49:24

leash be put no dogs over me. They're robbing my nationality,

49:29

raped and killed my mother and father. Well, shoot them for

49:33

what the hopes and dreams of this movement led to a brash new

49:36

message. Black was beautiful, baby, and you could say it loud,

49:43

I'm black and I'm proud. You could see this new sensibility

49:48

in the black exploitation films of the early 1970s black

49:52

antiheroes began to embrace a bold new identity, not by

49:56

disavowing the N word, but by claiming it. As

50:00

their own. It's the American dream, but

50:03

black exploitation flicks appeal mainly to black audiences. Took

50:07

Richard Pryor, a skinny comedian from Peoria, Illinois, to shoot

50:11

to crossover success with a rivaled routine that emphasized

50:14

the use of profanity, especially the inward spade you

50:23

nigger, dead, hunky. Adam Curry: Yeah, we and we discussed blaxploitation. Do you

50:32

remember what episode that was on? Unknown: Ah, I

50:35

Moe Factz: do not, but that was when we covered the rioting in

50:38

the theaters. Adam Curry: Yeah, and people should have just a reminder that

50:42

if you're just listening to Episode 100 go back to one. Do

50:46

it over the over your winter break, you won't be

50:49

disappointed. Now is this, are you on a path to do you think

50:56

that the one of the main solutions for empowerment of

51:00

ados. Do you think that that would be for everyone to just go

51:06

on code like it just doesn't bother me, because I think

51:11

that's part of what the blaxploitation was doing, was

51:14

owning the word, but it's still that me, it's like owning the

51:19

spell. You know, it's not going to remove the spell. You just

51:22

temporarily hold it. But do you think that if, if ADOS just said

51:27

no, just not going to be bothered by that, and everybody

51:30

could actually do it? I don't think that's possible. It might

51:32

be, well, Moe Factz: what the call calls for, and if you read the book,

51:37

you know, for any people, it's the United, independent,

51:42

compensatory code. So it's not about groups. None of that is

51:47

about your individual actions. It's an individual code. This is

51:52

why it works for me. You know, it calls me to go to no rallies,

51:55

no groups, no nothing is two things. Everything I do needs to

52:02

be constructive. That's the first thing. And then the second

52:07

thing is in the pursuance of justice, which is two things.

52:12

One is nobody's mistreated, and two, whoever needs the most help

52:19

gets the most constructive help. And that is not communism,

52:22

because we're talking about the individual. If you can help

52:25

somebody, you know, somebody that needs help, and you can

52:29

give that help help them. In

52:31

Adam Curry: fact, the Good Book says you should give them. If

52:34

they ask for your shirt, you should give me your coat and your trousers and everything else. And

52:39

Moe Factz: that's the independent choice. You know this is, this is why I think people hear certain keywords

52:47

like, justice, oh, he must be No justice, no peace and that kind,

52:50

no, no, no. In your individual daily life, are you mistreating

52:54

someone? Are you creating environment or sustaining

52:57

environment where a person can be mistreated if you are change

53:02

Adam Curry: it. It would be so cool if you could reprogram

53:05

everybody. If someone calls you the N word you just bust out of

53:08

James Brown, do the splits. That would be a much better response.

53:15

Moe Factz: That wouldn't be constructive. Adam Curry: It would be entertaining. People be like

53:22

what just happened Moe Factz: before we continue on? Am I Borgin? No, you're

53:28

fine, okay? Because I'm it's not like I'm boring down the road.

53:32

No, no, no, I Adam Curry: would let you know you're good. Okay,

53:35

Moe Factz: so, but yeah, that's the thing. Is just that don't

53:39

even with it, even with looking at a person when they say that

53:42

to you, what is your next action? Is it constructive?

53:46

Right? I'm gonna look at you and just like, okay, like you said,

53:51

what you said? What I mean? What? What do you think I'm

53:53

gonna do something not constructive? No, am I gonna

53:57

mistreat you? No, you were saying because, because the

54:02

natural reaction that's been implanted in us is, oh, you're

54:05

supposed to get violent, you know, that kind of thing.

54:08

Somebody say that to you, you supposed to haul off and knock

54:10

them, knock them down, you know, saying and do something to

54:13

Adam Curry: them, yeah? But that's just okay, perpetuate, perpetuating everything. Just it's the wrong direction, not

54:19

Moe Factz: even perpetu You're feeding right into. What the

54:22

trap is, you know, like, it's like, here's a piece of cheese,

54:25

you know. Like, are you not gonna take it? You know, I know,

54:28

because I know it's a metal bargain come down across my

54:30

neck. You're saying, if I take the cheese, I know, I've seen

54:34

you lay the trap, that kind of thing. And, like, I said,

54:37

that's, that's the, that's the thing, is these actions the end,

54:42

and that's why I said this works for everybody. This is not just

54:48

because it's for every however you're being mistreated, or

54:51

you're mistreating someone, or you need something, or you can

54:54

give somebody help on the individual. And this thing, if

54:58

the individual does this. In the collective, no communism. Had to

55:03

say that because people saw with words that hear those words, the

55:07

whole group changes. And then what happens is that you're

55:12

you're in the mistreating people. That's weird. I said it

55:16

on purpose. You're not into helping people when you can.

55:20

That's weird. You're not like us. You see how that work, you

55:24

see how that changes, like changes the whole dynamic. And

55:28

that's been my whole goal is to take a person's marginalized

55:34

work who is nearly who I dedicate a whole episode to him,

55:37

because I understand what they did to him, which I'm accepted,

55:41

the likelihood is going to happen to me is, is going you're

55:44

going to, if you're constructive, you're going to

55:46

get marginalized? Unknown: Oh yeah, of course,

55:50

Moe Factz: you don't get the you're saying, the wet work you were saying, but at best, you're going to be marginalized and

55:55

they're going to push you off to the side, like we're going to

55:57

ignore that, because we don't want to hear the masses here

56:02

that because we're in the business of confusing and

56:07

mistreating people. Unknown: Yes, no. I

56:12

mean yes, Adam Curry: the N word is a special case all by its own. But

56:18

ageism, you know, all kinds of different things. Are it? Is it

56:24

is the biggest, most is the oldest troll in the book with

56:31

with an intended, known outcome,

56:34

Moe Factz: right? And we all have that. That's what I'm

56:38

saying. This is just a representative. This is just a

56:40

totem everybody's, you know, everybody has across the bear,

56:46

and they're ashamed to even white supremacists have across

56:50

the bear, where you think all that, that insecurity comes

56:53

from, why you think they got to be such control freaks? It's

56:58

something there, you know, there's a there. There deep

57:00

inside? Oh, it's why they had to feel Adam Curry: sin and guilt. Is what it's all based on. Well,

57:06

Moe Factz: I think it's fear more than anything. You know,

57:09

they they fear whatever it is. I can't, I don't know what we've

57:14

talked about it, what they might fear, but

57:16

Adam Curry: Well, how about this? They fear because they are

57:19

a relatively seen, very small group,

57:22

Moe Factz: yeah, yeah. But nobody wants to do anything to

57:25

you. That's the thing is, like, from my standpoint of being not

57:31

mistreating people, you know, it's like, I can't only speak

57:34

for me. I don't want to harm you. I understand your plight,

57:36

like I said, I understand your plight because ados, we have the

57:40

same thing on in America. We want 13% of population. We don't

57:44

want to get erased by, uh, just being flat black. We want to

57:49

have our own identity. We get it, we understand. So that's

57:55

what I'm saying. Like, like, you gotta let go of that fear,

57:58

whatever that is. And I'm just saying that's to everybody.

58:03

That's the area you have to let go of that fear and be

58:06

constructive, not destructive. But that's, that's all I heard.

58:12

All I heard last night was two people talking about how much

58:14

they could blow up stuff. What are we doing here? We live in

58:20

the best time in society ever. I mean, like we're on the cusp of

58:25

being able to solve a lot of problems if we don't have this

58:29

manufactured competition. Adam Curry: And that's exactly it. The people want are so

58:38

trained to have a certain type of show business presentation

58:42

that this didn't match it, you know, I mean, yeah, it didn't

58:47

match the expectations of a show business oriented culture. It's

58:53

like, what is this? This is no good. This is this. We want you

58:56

to, you know, strike her back. Say this. Say that it's like,

59:02

it's like, now you jabbing wrong. You doing you doing it

59:04

all wrong. You doing it Moe Factz: all wrong, even with this show here, I mean, as a

59:09

microcosm of that, you know, we supposed to be at each other's

59:13

throats and all. You know what? You know, that kind? No, we left

59:18

the offense at the door, you know, saying like you say, what

59:21

you say, I say what I say, you agree with me. Sometimes I agree

59:25

with you, sometimes, other time we disagree. But you know what,

59:27

we've never mistreated each other. Adam Curry: No, not yet.

59:31

Unknown: Yeah, Adam Curry: five years, we got five more to go as friends. You

59:35

never know, Moe Factz: right? So I'm just saying, but I don't think that's

59:38

in our core, uh, programming is, you know, I don't it's to

59:42

mistreat people so but, and like I said, the last point, uh,

59:48

let's go ahead and get to the last point, and then we can just

59:51

go right into 14. Because this, I'll just foreshadow a little

59:54

bit this gets into coming from Richard Pryor to hip hop 13.

59:59

Unknown: I. The time Ronald Reagan was elected, Pryor had

1:00:02

disavowed use of the term, but a new generation was taking the

1:00:06

reins of pop culture. Everything was new, raw and angry. The most

1:00:11

visceral film of late 1980s was Spike Lee's do the right thing,

1:00:14

anchored by its profane, racist rant montage, dig a

1:00:18

wop Guinea garlic bread, pizza, sling and spaghetti bin and

1:00:22

victim on Perry Como Lucado Pavarotti,

1:00:25

chicken and biscuit eating, monkey eat baboon. Big guy,

1:00:29

fast, run, take your fucking Pizza, pizza and go to fuck back

1:00:33

to Africa. At the same time, hip hop and rap storytelling gave

1:00:37

new voice to young black Americans on the West Coast, a

1:00:41

group of young rappers called themselves NWA niggas with

1:00:45

attitude, and their first underground album, Straight

1:00:48

Outta Compton, featured 46 uses of the N word. Three years

1:00:52

later, their album, niggas for life, featured 185 uses of the

1:00:57

word and went to the top of the charts. The word gain new

1:01:01

currency in popular culture. Adam Curry: Yeah, there was an interesting time that very white

1:01:07

MTV, Moe Factz: which we talked about NWA, and we see in hindsight how

1:01:18

the members have been this supposed threat to American

1:01:22

society. Now, we got one guy speaking known in presidential

1:01:27

elections. You know, I'm having a substantial voice. And then

1:01:30

the next one is the first billionaire hip hop and has ties

1:01:35

to one of the biggest companies, you know, if not the biggest

1:01:38

company in the world, being apple and Doc, Dr Dre you know,

1:01:44

so who were they? But we're not going down that rapid. But it's

1:01:47

just this is when the N word went mainstream, yes, because

1:01:55

before, like you said, they were on black exploitation movies,

1:01:58

which was really, uh, very localized. I wasn't alive then,

1:02:05

but I'm assuming, like, how to move. How did, okay, you can,

1:02:08

you can feel me on this. How did movies work, pre VCR? Because I

1:02:15

grew up with VCR, so, I mean, because, like, we that's when

1:02:18

you had home libraries and movies, and if you want to see

1:02:21

something, you went to the local, uh, VHS store or video

1:02:27

store. How'd that work with movie did you have like, B rate

1:02:30

movie theaters that showed like, less popular movies? How did

1:02:35

that work? Uh,

1:02:41

Adam Curry: it that's a good question. I think that you had

1:02:48

movie theaters that just had, you know, certainly the movie

1:02:52

usually on a on an off night, you know, not a popular night,

1:02:57

they would show something that might be different.

1:03:01

Moe Factz: Okay. I was just wondering, like, I mean, because

1:03:03

I grew up from Adam Curry: the right, but the mall, I mean, basically, you had

1:03:08

the mall, right, and the mall had the movieplex, and you had,

1:03:12

you know, maybe 510, 15 theaters. And if anything, it

1:03:18

was, well, we couldn't get in to see that one. So we went to see

1:03:22

that one. Moe Factz: So, yeah, I was just asking for figuring out how

1:03:25

media was, like, disseminated at that time, because we had the

1:03:29

VCR. I was, like, born in 80 so, like, by 86 everything we wanted

1:03:35

to see we could get a hold of on, like, and watch it in the

1:03:39

home. So I was just, I was just curious for next well,

1:03:41

Adam Curry: and then after that, of course, well, around that

1:03:46

time, you say, 86 no earlier than that, when, because VCRs

1:03:51

had come out pretty early. And I remember that, you know, someone

1:03:58

would have, you know, a tape. And it would be like, oh, let's

1:04:02

all go to his house and watch Cheech and Chong well, so we it

1:04:05

would be like a mini, mini theater. And of course, faces of

1:04:10

death was the main one, you know, talking about your B

1:04:12

movies, that would be the one we always that he's got a copy of

1:04:15

it. So I think it moved pretty quickly. And there was a lot of

1:04:22

bootlegs, a lot of bootlegs. Mo, that was the big thing back in

1:04:26

the day. Oh, Moe Factz: yeah. And that was a big thing in the 90s too. Like

1:04:31

movies actually in the theaters, yeah,

1:04:34

Adam Curry: camcorder. And you said, Yeah, this is great, you

1:04:37

know, crappy sound. But it was, we could it was all right, we

1:04:40

could do it. Was good enough. Moe Factz: Okay, yeah, the only reason I was asking, because I

1:04:44

was going back to like the N word going mainstream, is

1:04:47

because in the 90s, you know, that's when hip hop in came

1:04:53

about. But in the 70s, you know, even Blaxploitation films, even

1:04:58

Richard Pryor, that was, you. I guess you had to buy his records

1:05:02

or whatever, like you weren't seeing it on television, right?

1:05:05

So that was, that was the only point I was trying to make. But

1:05:09

fast forward now. Here comes hip hop, and the Boulet was not

1:05:12

happy with it. So now these are clips from 2007 so it's big

1:05:17

chunks going on, from like the 80s all the way to 2007 and it's

1:05:21

it's amazing the timing of it that they tried to kill the N

1:05:25

word. Unknown: The hour a funeral for the N word today at the 98th

1:05:29

annual convention of the NAACP in Detroit, African American

1:05:32

leaders, intellectuals and rap artists will join together for a

1:05:35

symbolic burial of the N word. Will it make a difference?

1:05:40

Joining us now from Washington is Dr Michael Eric Dyson of

1:05:43

Georgetown University. He is the author, know what I mean,

1:05:46

reflections on hip hop. Also joining us from Chicago is CNN

1:05:50

contributor, Roland Martin. He's the host of the Roland Martin

1:05:53

radio simulcast right now on W, V O N radio. Roland, let me

1:05:57

start with you. Why is this taking place now? Well, because,

1:06:02

I mean, we've had lots of discussion about the course out

1:06:05

of the Don IMS situation in terms of what words you can and

1:06:08

cannot say, and so it's a raising of the consciousness of

1:06:11

African Americans in terms of the use of the word finding it

1:06:15

offensive. You know, when I ran the Chicago defenders executive

1:06:18

editor, I put it on our front page saying that it's time for

1:06:20

African Americans to make a decision. Either we say it is an

1:06:23

acceptable word, or we say it is not. But you have to make a

1:06:27

decision, because some find an offensive, or others say, hey,

1:06:29

the term endearment. I disagree. I find it offensive, and I

1:06:33

personally stop using it. Adam Curry: Oh, man, I've forgotten the role in Martin

1:06:36

goes back that that's that far. Yeah, I forgot all about that.

1:06:41

This is Moe Factz: Pete Boulet for him, like this is, this is him and

1:06:45

Michael, Eric Dyson. These were, this is when they were the cats

1:06:49

meow, the Boulet. And Adam Curry: this was back when I miss was alive and I was seven,

1:06:54

yeah, and I, and I think I remember that when I miss it, he

1:06:58

might have said the N word he had, you know, he had

1:07:00

Moe Factz: very no nappy headed hoes,

1:07:04

Adam Curry: hoes. You're right, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

1:07:08

Moe Factz: But this is when they were doing the cleanup, pre

1:07:10

Obama. This is when, also when Chappelle got leaned on, when he

1:07:17

ran away, possibly, literally, he was a lean though. We don't

1:07:21

know if it's the Adam Curry: real Dave who's back, but yeah, okay,

1:07:23

Moe Factz: yeah. Cuz they was like anything that was

1:07:26

derogatory to, you know, the black image they were they were

1:07:31

doing cleanup, so this was the the timing of what was going on

1:07:36

at the time. And they were trying to bury, give a live

1:07:40

burial to the N word, and you had, on one side, you had Roland

1:07:46

Martin, and on the other side you had Michael, Eric Dyson,

1:07:48

who's going to speak in the next clip. Dr

1:07:50

Unknown: Dyson, what are your views on the word, and is this

1:07:52

symbolic burial a good idea? Well, I

1:07:55

think that it may be a good idea for white America. I think white

1:07:58

America, or other non black people, certainly should bury

1:08:00

the use of that to a particular nefarious term that has been

1:08:03

odious and offensive throughout the history. But I think that

1:08:05

for African American people, the use of that term has sometimes

1:08:09

been Yes, as a term of endearment. I know Mr. Martin

1:08:12

disagrees with that, but having used the word myself, and he

1:08:15

having used it as he said himself and stopped using it,

1:08:17

obviously one of the uses was a term of endearment, a term of

1:08:21

love, a term of circulating brotherhood. It also can be

1:08:23

something that's negative. My point is that you can't

1:08:26

legislate the use of the word itself to deal with the

1:08:28

realities that the word underscores. So that lynching is

1:08:31

much worse than the use of the word. I'm not saying that the

1:08:34

word is used by white people is not offensive. It is. I'm saying

1:08:36

but African American rappers or other people who deploy that

1:08:39

term are not necessarily signifying hatred. They're

1:08:42

signifying love. They're saying, I'm not going to let you

1:08:44

determine my life by the use of a word over which I have no

1:08:47

control. Adam Curry: Those words and doesn't talk like that anymore.

1:08:54

No interesting, right?

1:08:58

Moe Factz: Because it's very it's a lot of words he would

1:09:00

even to remember he lost it when the guy was was a guy or lady

1:09:05

that we're saying, Kamala. Kamala. He was like, No, it's

1:09:11

Adam Curry: Kamala. And you're disrespecting the sister. Yeah.

1:09:15

Moe Factz: So I mean, just telling you how far he's gone

1:09:19

off the rails, and he used to be the voice of reason, you know,

1:09:23

saying less than 20 years ago, not even reason, but, like, the

1:09:27

voice of, I say, the more, uh, liberal side of,

1:09:32

Adam Curry: but he got made. They brought, they wheeled him

1:09:34

in even further high, Listen, man, you got the stature, but

1:09:37

yeah, you got to do a little more here. Moe Factz: Oh yeah, he definitely had to do a little

1:09:42

more. So okay, this is the final part of this, the funeral. But

1:09:46

Unknown: growing up, my dad didn't call me that my mom

1:09:49

didn't call me that they called me Roland. And so I reached a

1:09:52

point where, again, it was so much a part of hearing it, it

1:09:56

became accepted. And I reached a point where I said, Wait a

1:09:59

minute. This is. Not a word that I should accept, even if

1:10:02

somebody said, Hey, you know, you know that. You know that's

1:10:05

my man, that's my boy. I really use those phrases. And frankly,

1:10:09

saying that's my name, it's just not a term of endeavor, yeah,

1:10:12

but for rolling it for you, that's absolutely fine. I'm not

1:10:14

suggesting that that's not a prerogative you exercise, but to

1:10:16

suggest that's a universal term that everybody has to subscribe

1:10:19

to would be different. I think that if you feel that way,

1:10:22

that's fine, but there are many other African American people,

1:10:24

which is why it shows you that the bearing of the N word will

1:10:26

not be affected. There will be some Martin Luther King, Jr, the

1:10:29

night he was killed, said to Andrew, young, little nigga,

1:10:31

where you've been, he used it as a term of endearment. Now

1:10:33

there's a difference, because rap music has now made it

1:10:35

accessible to the world, because of its circulation throughout

1:10:39

the country and indeed, throughout the globe. But the

1:10:41

point is to have a, I think, a reductive and narrow and

1:10:44

simplistic understanding of that term, misses the use of it by

1:10:47

history and suggests to us that white people exercise the

1:10:49

control over our lives that we don't have. Don Imus cannot be

1:10:52

the leader of black America. Let's within our own ranks

1:10:55

suggest that there are differences and complexities and

1:10:57

nuances that we should respect and acknowledge on both sides.

1:11:01

Okay, so Adam Curry: if I understand here, this was the Boulet saying

1:11:05

we still need this control over the non Boulet.

1:11:10

Unknown: They stick. Oh no, that's their job. Yes, and

1:11:13

Adam Curry: so, and probably NWA was part of the problem.

1:11:19

Moe Factz: Yes, because NWA have been not even NWA was part of

1:11:22

the problem hip hop. For 20 years, gangster rap had

1:11:29

festered. And I'm using that word appropriately, yeah, and it

1:11:35

had, at this point, it had grown to be the largest portion of hip

1:11:39

hop. See, gangster rap used to be just a segment of greater hip

1:11:46

hop, but we're talking about 2007 so that's when peak 50

1:11:51

cents. You know, all of that was going, Jeezy, 50 cents, all

1:11:56

those guys, yeah, um, so now it's like, hold on, we got too

1:12:01

much, and we can't lose the fact that they're trying to push

1:12:04

Obama, yeah, into 2007 this is the year before he got elected.

1:12:09

So they were trying to clean up any negative black stereotypes,

1:12:14

words, whatever else. Um, out of the way to make, make the you're

1:12:20

saying the path clear for Obama. One more thing, Roland Martin

1:12:26

said, he said we can call each other boy, which, well, that's

1:12:30

saying that's very similar to the N word, yeah, and, and if it

1:12:35

said intra racially, it's not offensive. What can be is just

1:12:41

the, you know how it's the tone of, Oh, definitely, right. But

1:12:45

if it said it interracially automatic, even if somebody says

1:12:51

it in the Oh, that's my boy and but it's interracially is like,

1:12:54

you kind of get a side eye, that kind of thing. And I've even

1:12:57

played on the show where people would say it and they didn't

1:13:00

mean it like that, but then they would go back, either change it,

1:13:02

that's how they said it the next time, or or self censor. So one

1:13:07

last point I want to make is my dad. It's funny that this my dad

1:13:12

had the hugest issue with homeboy and homie, yeah,

1:13:18

because, like, what do y'all mean homeboy or boy, because

1:13:22

that's like, when, like, no, and homie, because that was close to

1:13:25

homo. He's like, What y'all running around here, calling

1:13:28

each other, homie, yo, homie. He was saying, like, what does that

1:13:31

mean? You know, because just, just to give a perspective,

1:13:34

like, his issue wasn't the N word, because he would drop it

1:13:39

every once in a while, and the one you would hear the most is

1:13:44

prefaced by crazy ass you were saying that, and then the N

1:13:47

word, you know, saying, so that's how old, older people use

1:13:50

it. So Adam Curry: it's interesting, because amongst white guys,

1:13:57

after this day, will still say, That's me. He's my boy. We can

1:14:01

say that amongst each other. And of course, you know where it

1:14:05

comes from, but it's a total term of endearment. And I think

1:14:08

I probably still have friends who will still say, Hey, how you

1:14:11

doing, homie? They'll still still say that amongst white men

1:14:15

amongst each other. Moe Factz: Yeah, because, because it came out of homeboy

1:14:21

and hip hop into the pop popular culture. But yeah, so that means

1:14:28

it's just weird how these words and you know, and you can follow

1:14:31

the trail back to where they came from,

1:14:35

Adam Curry: blown away behind by hearing Dyson and Martin. I was

1:14:38

like, these are two different guys from who they are today.

1:14:42

Moe Factz: You know the weird, Adam Curry: I know it's, you know, it's hard not to use the W

1:14:47

word. Moe Factz: And you know why? You know who I got it from divorce.

1:14:51

Unknown: You know, my kids, really, oh, man,

1:14:54

Moe Factz: they use all the time. I mean, like, it's kind of

1:14:56

like a, it's a, it's a word that has. So many different meanings,

1:15:02

yeah, but it's like how you used it, you know, um. And especially

1:15:09

in their head, and when they're having conversations with each

1:15:11

other, they can say it like four and they have four different

1:15:15

meanings depending on how how it said and when it said, Yeah, of

1:15:19

course, um, but I was saying before that is we saw a similar

1:15:24

thing with redneck around this time with Jeff Foxworthy, yep,

1:15:28

yep, when you saw the embracing of the term redneck, because

1:15:33

redneck used to be a derogatory, derogatory, yeah, but it had a

1:15:39

similar path as the N word, that where it would people either

1:15:45

self proclaimed to be a redneck, or self identify to be a

1:15:49

redneck. Or to Adam Curry: this day, I had my boy, Mike, who did our shower,

1:15:59

you know, he's said, You don't tell me where you come from. He

1:16:01

says, I'm just a redneck hillbilly, all right? I know

1:16:06

exactly what you mean, right?

1:16:10

Moe Factz: But if somebody could call him that like I said, Oh,

1:16:13

no, probably, yeah, exactly the work words are so amazing of how

1:16:21

the power they they wield, when, when they're used. But here is

1:16:25

now we because the funeral happened in Detroit 2007 and

1:16:31

2007 was the first hip hop politician, Kwame Kilpatrick.

1:16:36

You remember him? Adam Curry: Kwame sounds familiar.

1:16:40

Moe Factz: Big, big guy, big football

1:16:44

Adam Curry: player, of course, of course, yeah, yeah. He

1:16:46

Moe Factz: got in trouble because he the Boulet. And he

1:16:49

was part of it, was trying to kill the word, and then he ends

1:16:53

up using it. Unknown: Last summer in Detroit, a funeral was staged for the N

1:16:58

word. Black leaders symbolically buried the epithet during a

1:17:01

national convention of the NAACP, the mayor of Detroit,

1:17:05

Kwame Kilpatrick, gave me eulogy. We're

1:17:07

taking this out of our spirit. We're taking it out of our

1:17:11

being. We're taking it out of our minds. Today we bearing it

1:17:15

dead. But during his State of the City address carried live on local

1:17:19

television and radio. He said this,

1:17:22

in the past 30 days, I've been called more than any time in my

1:17:31

entire life. In the past three days, I've received more death

1:17:37

threats than I have in my entire administration.

1:17:42

The mayor's use of the word is being criticized by local civil

1:17:45

rights leaders, saying he used the wrong Forum and the wrong

1:17:49

word for his outburst. Oh

1:17:52

Moe Factz: no. Now here's a black man getting in trouble. N

1:17:58

word, yeah, Adam Curry: can't do that. Moe Factz: So this is what we're talking about before of these

1:18:03

levers, you can't say that now, even though you're black, and

1:18:08

he's only saying that he's being called this. And this is when he

1:18:12

got into some campaign trouble, and he was in an affair, and

1:18:19

then there was a, allegedly, and I say that very strongly,

1:18:22

allegedly, a dead stripper that came up.

1:18:25

Adam Curry: It's their favorite, yeah, dead stripper. So hooker,

1:18:29

dead hooker better, but dead stripper always wish. I'm

1:18:32

Moe Factz: wondering, like, how, how did that person get there,

1:18:35

if they were that was that a leveraging thing? But he went to

1:18:39

jail, and I think also he was moved out of the way for Obama,

1:18:44

because he was the he was, if you said, Okay, who will be the

1:18:51

next black presidential candidate? Well, I would have

1:18:57

probably been 10 years from then, but, well, we could easily

1:19:00

see him. We all know Adam Curry: it was supposed to be Blowfly. Who's that? Oh, my

1:19:05

God, wait, I throw out a reference and you don't know.

1:19:09

Blowfly, no, oh, Blowfly, the first black president. Do you

1:19:18

mind if I play you a little bit of Blowfly. Please, please. Blow

1:19:22

Fly first black. I don't know what the date is. There has to

1:19:27

be early 80s, 1983

1:19:35

Unknown: ladies and gentlemen, introducing the first Nick.

1:19:40

Adam Curry: You remember it now, right? Yeah, yeah, okay, sorry

1:19:46

to throw you off track. No, Moe Factz: no. It fit perfect.

1:19:52

Adam Curry: We played that song over and over and over again. It

1:19:54

was hilarious. Yeah, Moe Factz: that was it fit perfect into what we're doing

1:19:59

here. Um, but, yeah, this is Kwame Kilpatrick, I think we

1:20:06

stopped it. Yeah, we're at 18. Okay, let's go and get an 18.

1:20:10

That Unknown: outburst was in response to a scandal over

1:20:13

sexually explicit text messages sent to a former top aide and

1:20:17

possible perjury charges from testimony during a

1:20:20

whistleblower's trial, all of it subjected the mayor to withering

1:20:23

criticism in the press and public. We've never been

1:20:27

in a situation like this before, where you can say anything, do

1:20:33

anything, have no facts, no research, no nothing, and you

1:20:38

can launch a hate driven, bigoted assault on a family

1:20:42

later, Kilpatrick spokeswoman said the mayor used the word as

1:20:45

an example of how hurtful it can be. The N word has been used as

1:20:49

a slur against blacks for more than a century, but it is also

1:20:53

used by blacks when referring to each other. National Black

1:20:56

leaders have called for its use to end

1:21:01

Moe Factz: clear it up. So now we have to get into the history

1:21:06

of the N word. And people might say, Mo, ain't that what you've

1:21:10

been doing for the last 20 clips? Adam Curry: No, no. We're going to talk about the constrict, the

1:21:15

the contraction, the actual phrase N word. I

1:21:18

Moe Factz: present the actual phrase N word 19

1:21:22

Unknown: and most importantly, non black people would still be

1:21:25

casually saying they're without OJ. Technically, we should thank

1:21:29

this guy. That's Chris Darden, the black man tasked with

1:21:32

prosecuting OJ to the 1994 murder of Nicole Simpson and

1:21:35

Ronald Goldman. Chris Darden may be the most unlucky man in the

1:21:39

history of American jurisprudence, but he should

1:21:41

also be recognized as an unsung hero in meaningfully changing

1:21:45

racial discourse forever. It's no secret that the OJ trial,

1:21:49

known as the trial of the century, stopped being about OJ

1:21:52

at some point in the legal proceedings, whether

1:21:54

intentionally or by chance, OJS trial became a proxy for the

1:21:58

never ending, eternal debate on race in America, 63%

1:22:03

of whites feel that OJ Simpson can get a fair trial, while 61%

1:22:08

of blacks say he cannot. Has race now taken center stage as

1:22:12

we continue dissecting this courtroom drama and

1:22:14

through the course of the trial, it became explicitly about the

1:22:18

word there's a specific moment when this happened. It was when

1:22:21

OJS legal team discovered that the lead detective in the case,

1:22:24

Mark Furman, routinely used the word to describe black people,

1:22:28

and you say on your oath that you have not addressed any black

1:22:32

person as a nigger or spoken about black people as niggers in

1:22:36

the past 10 years, Detective Furman, that's what I'm saying, sir, and

1:22:40

that there were recordings of him doing so while bragging

1:22:44

about brutalizing black people.

1:22:50

Adam Curry: Yep, yep. I remember it well.

1:22:53

Moe Factz: So you were, you were

1:22:56

Adam Curry: in New York I was in New York City, Moe Factz: which OJ Simpson, you talking about weird Negro the

1:23:06

pit. If you open up the dictionary and you want to have

1:23:10

a picture beside that term, it has to be OJ Simpson, because is

1:23:16

he trolling? Oh, well, he's dead now. But was he trolling, or was

1:23:20

he that oblivious to not know how certain thing, even, like I

1:23:28

said, interracially and interracially, you know the not

1:23:34

to trigger people with the OJ stuff, but like the, Oh, the

1:23:38

scary movie thing with the banana and just, oh, if I'd have

1:23:44

did it this hot, I would have done it kind of thing. It's

1:23:46

like, Do you Do you know? OJ, like, how that's coming across.

1:23:51

Are you post racial I can't. I got to this day. I don't know if

1:23:56

OJ was trolling the whole time, or was he just like, I'm bigger

1:24:01

than all of this, which would actually make him, uh, weird by

1:24:08

the definition of nearly fuller gave right? It just, I'm telling

1:24:12

you, like, I've watched many of OJ, and just for people, you

1:24:16

probably get mad at me. I don't think OJ did it. You understand

1:24:19

it is what it is. Um, you did he have somebody do it? Maybe could

1:24:25

have been some associates of other people that were heinously

1:24:33

deleted, to use a word like, here we go with the change in

1:24:36

language, right? I did that purposely finalized under live,

1:24:40

yeah, delete it. You know, that kind of thing. So even the fact

1:24:45

that you can't even talk about it this many years later without

1:24:48

invoking emotions is amazing. And the N word, actual term,

1:24:55

came out of this. I mean, what? Like? What? You want to give

1:25:01

some context to it, or Yeah, I Adam Curry: can just give you my experience at the time. Yes, he

1:25:09

came across as a hubris field celebrity, regardless of race,

1:25:17

but I can tell you that everybody I was around was

1:25:20

really hoping that he would not get convicted, like, Oh, God,

1:25:25

please, because it became about race, that's what it became

1:25:30

about. And you know, I think the fear that it would just erupt in

1:25:36

race riots everywhere was very real.

1:25:42

Moe Factz: For context. Reason why you I think you're saying

1:25:44

and correct me if I'm wrong, is what happened after Rodney King,

1:25:48

right? Yes, in LA, just for people that may not know what we

1:25:53

it's funny, because we have an understanding, because we know

1:25:57

what was the context of that, but maybe they didn't know. And

1:26:00

I think 9293 after the Rodney King, verdict, la burned pretty

1:26:08

much, yeah. So I can see it from your standpoint of, yeah, let's

1:26:15

just not repeat that. And I can see just see, first I understand

1:26:21

to be understood. I can see how people thought, that's why he

1:26:24

got off because LA, like, we don't need this. We can double

1:26:27

back and get him another way. But we don't. We like, we just

1:26:31

kick this can down the road, which I can see that scenario

1:26:34

playing out as well. Adam Curry: There was a lot going on with that trial. You

1:26:40

know, Marcia Clark, I mean, it was, it was really, for all

1:26:44

intents and purposes, it was one of the biggest celebrity

1:26:49

televised trials. Uh, almost not even Michael Jackson didn't

1:26:57

overshadow it. You know, you because, you know, remember

1:27:00

that, oh yeah, went to cancel Mike. It was just everybody,

1:27:06

just Unknown: because of race, yeah, with

1:27:11

Adam Curry: and. But I think it was really the people just that

1:27:14

we were because we had had the the Rodney King riots, everybody

1:27:22

just didn't want it. Just, it's like, please. We just don't want

1:27:26

it. And then when the glove didn't fit, so you must have

1:27:29

quit. It was, it was like, everyone, oh, okay, well, you

1:27:35

know, we're not quite sure exactly how, but the glove

1:27:37

didn't fit, so you must have quit. Please get it over with.

1:27:40

We just people were afraid and tired of what could happen, and

1:27:45

it was completely race based. Moe Factz: And just go all the way there OJ being accused of

1:27:56

what he did would be the ultimate N word, yes. And I mean

1:28:01

that, I mean that literally, because that's the fear a big

1:28:06

black book killing, uh, attractive, blonde, white woman.

1:28:10

Adam Curry: He had all the elements, all of them that, that

1:28:13

Moe Factz: is that. I mean, even Michael Jackson with the key,

1:28:16

even though he was kind of black. I mean, like an

1:28:18

appearance, not really anymore, yeah, not racially, but in

1:28:22

appearance. And then keep that was bad, that was terrible, but

1:28:25

this, this fed in to the stereotypical situation of a n

1:28:32

word, and the biggest fears of that, of like I said, and her

1:28:37

being blonde and attractive, um, if if OJ wife was Mexican or

1:28:43

Latina or Asian or black, it wouldn't have been the biggest

1:28:48

story. Agree, the fact that I said she was an attractive white

1:28:52

woman. And here's the other part that nobody wants to talk about

1:28:58

Ronald Goldman being Jewish. This is why the media went in on

1:29:03

OJ, yeah, with all the ink, let me just say, we go, if we gonna

1:29:07

tell it, we're gonna tell it all the way this. This is why the

1:29:10

media was stacked up against OJ, because he was accused of

1:29:15

killing, uh, a Jewish man and an attractive white woman. But

1:29:20

Adam Curry: what was, what was really interesting, Mo, is the

1:29:23

feeling was It was not about the people anymore. It wasn't about

1:29:26

the people. Moe Factz: It wasn't about OJ, no, it wasn't about OJ, it

1:29:30

wasn't about the victims. It was about who's going to win the

1:29:35

race game. Yeah, yeah, that's what it's exactly what it was.

1:29:39

And we saw it play out on X Twitter, just less than a year

1:29:43

ago, when he died, the same people that were saying, OJ did

1:29:48

it? You know it was, it was the strangest thing, because go back

1:29:53

to current times and when OJ trout happened, the majority of

1:29:58

black people say he did. Do it. That was cost of the Race game

1:30:02

and but a lot of people didn't think he did it. Because, I

1:30:04

mean, just, well, I'm me, I'm just like, how that the

1:30:07

logistics of it work, but, but here nor there. Then the OJ

1:30:12

story came out, the mini series with Cuba, uh, Cuba, good

1:30:17

Junior. And then the narrative start to change amongst black

1:30:21

people when we covered this, and this is I'm gonna talk about the

1:30:23

media mind control. Now, black people started saying, Well,

1:30:28

maybe he did do it, or he did do it, you know, that kind of

1:30:31

thing. But since we went through George Floyd and everything like

1:30:36

that, now when he died, oh, let's play the Race game again,

1:30:41

and we're gonna take OJ back. When I say we on top, not me,

1:30:45

but black people. Oh, we're gonna, we're gonna circle the

1:30:48

wagons around. OJ, even though we thought he was guilty, and

1:30:51

even though we didn't think he was black, he was. OJ, we're

1:30:55

gonna circle the wagons on Adam Curry: there's one difference, and that's the

1:30:58

context. Is we didn't have any other media than mainstream

1:31:04

media. So you had, you were either listening to, well, if

1:31:09

you were, if you weren't listening to music just from New

1:31:12

York, if you weren't listening to z1 100 or PLJ or Kiss FM, for

1:31:17

music, you were listening to Howard Stern. You were listening

1:31:20

to Imus. I think probably a lot of people listen to Imus. And in

1:31:28

the media, well, we had CNN, who had basically non stop coverage,

1:31:33

but you would, you would wait for the latest report, or you

1:31:38

come home like, Oh, what happened to the OJ trial and and

1:31:42

you, there was, there was no, there was no social media. So

1:31:46

it, it was, it was very you. I think people have much more.

1:31:53

Feel like you just said of control, one, we can post stuff,

1:31:56

we can say stuff, we can band together, we can repost, we can

1:32:00

do all these things. There was none of that. It was a

1:32:02

frustration. And just hanging on, and even the reporting like,

1:32:06

oh, I don't say it like that. You know, it was a very, very

1:32:11

different media landscape, and you felt like you did not have

1:32:15

control. And I it feels like it feels like we have more control

1:32:20

now we don't necessarily, but it feels like we have more control.

1:32:25

Yeah, Moe Factz: because you everybody has a platform, yeah, which can

1:32:28

which Adam Curry: makes you feel good, personally, yes, I said it, I

1:32:32

went I did it, Moe Factz: I got it, I got it off my chest, yeah,

1:32:36

Adam Curry: I see you. Doing that all the time on Twitter. Mo,

1:32:38

Unknown: oh, yeah, Adam Curry: I see you, yeah, well,

1:32:44

Moe Factz: my thing on X's like, this is that I try to make

1:32:48

people think about stuff and not be binary. It's like, think, are

1:32:53

you really being objective? One thing is, like, an objective

1:33:04

check you're not like, are you really being objective? No, so

1:33:08

that's, that's my, that's my, always

1:33:10

Adam Curry: good for me, always good for a like and a retweet

1:33:14

for me, Moe Factz: that's my contribution to the world. Is

1:33:16

like, are you really being objective? You know, because, like, you know, that's what we need to be. Is objective,

1:33:21

alright? So let's get into this last clip from OJ and how

1:33:25

Christopher Darden pulled it off. Unknown: As you can imagine, doubt was immediately cast on

1:33:29

whether or not the crime scene evidence that he discovered

1:33:33

could be trusted. Questions swirled about whether or not he

1:33:36

planted the now infamous glove to frame a successful black man,

1:33:40

people wondered if the LAPD, notoriously cruel toward the

1:33:43

black community, could even be trusted to carry out a fair

1:33:47

assessment of the accused multi hyphenate entertainer OJS.

1:33:51

Defense made such a big deal out of this blockbuster revelation

1:33:55

that the entire case became about these tapes and by

1:33:59

extension, the word as you can imagine, the prosecution hated

1:34:03

this angle, but offended by those remarks, I would rather not stand at the

1:34:07

same podium at which he stood a few moments ago. The issue here

1:34:12

is whether this defendant killed Nicole Brown or Ron Goldman or

1:34:16

not. The issue here isn't my ethics. The issue here isn't

1:34:19

racism. The issue here isn't detective Furman. This case is a

1:34:23

circus, and they've made it a circus. The

1:34:25

defense, led by Johnny Cochran, was seizing control of the

1:34:28

narrative by centering one of the bloodiest words in American

1:34:31

history. The prosecution was going to have to convince a

1:34:34

majority black jury to trust the integrity of their star witness,

1:34:38

Mark Furman, after hearing him commit the cardinal sin of

1:34:41

racism and break the rule of 1968 if you've never heard of

1:34:45

that rule, that's okay. I made it up. Okay, I didn't make it

1:34:48

up. I just made up the name, but, but it's real.

1:34:51

Adam Curry: Where was that from? Is that? What is that?

1:34:54

Moe Factz: That's the YouTuber that put that together. Uh, I

1:34:57

didn't get his name. I'll try to get after the show. But. Yeah,

1:35:00

he did a great breakdown of the OJ trial. That was, what was

1:35:06

that? That was 20 Yeah, Adam Curry: we got one last one here. Okay, so I guess go out.

1:35:12

Moe Factz: Just go and get to 21 Unknown: The rule is simple after the year 1968 the word is

1:35:17

to be avoided, only permissible when quoting someone else. This

1:35:21

rule is pretty intuitive, but Republican political strategist

1:35:24

Lee Atwater gives it some helpful context in what are

1:35:27

known as the Southern Strategy tapes. Yes, I know another set

1:35:31

of tapes, but bear with me. This political strategy was designed

1:35:34

to help Republicans capitalize on the racial hostility of

1:35:37

southern white people after the Civil Rights Movement. Here,

1:35:40

I'll let Lee Atwater explain it himself.

1:35:43

You start out in 1954 by saying, nigger, nigger, nigger. By 1968

1:35:48

you keep saying nigga. That hurts your backfire. So you say

1:35:51

stuff like force plus and states rights and all that stuff. And

1:35:56

you get it so abstract. Now you're talking about cutting

1:35:59

taxes and all these things you're talking about are totally

1:36:03

economic things in a byproduct of the med flats get hurt worse

1:36:07

than what Dr OJS trial. Johnny cochran's plan to introduce these murder tapes

1:36:11

into the trial would make the word a constant part of the

1:36:14

courtroom discourse. I'd like to imagine that Chris Darden couldn't abide such a

1:36:18

possibility. He later stated how much he hated the word and

1:36:21

wouldn't allow it to be said in his own home, and so he refused

1:36:25

to say it in the courtroom, instead creating the now

1:36:28

ubiquitous euphemism for the word N word,

1:36:32

there it is. Moe Factz: So that's how N word came about, and just for a

1:36:39

little bit of clarity now you see where dog whistles come

1:36:44

from. Yeah, with what was mentioned in the beginning of

1:36:48

the clip, with lower taxes, all these different terms. When you

1:36:54

hear people say, right, states, rights, that's a big one.

1:36:57

That's, that's, that's, that's a big one right there. So you see,

1:37:02

it has some basis, even though people might actually, literally

1:37:07

be talking about lower taxes. When you have that kind of clip

1:37:11

that you can play, people can spin it any kind of way, but,

1:37:15

oh, that was a dog whistle. That's when you said that you

1:37:18

didn't really mean lower taxes. You meant hurting black people,

1:37:20

you know, that kind of thing. So I just wanted to add that into

1:37:23

the word war. So, um, but yeah, that's how the that's how the N

1:37:27

word came about. Adam Curry: My favorite part of that trial was later when Marcia

1:37:31

Clark hooked up with Chris Durden. Oh yeah, that was the

1:37:34

funniest. Like, oh, okay, there you go. And to

1:37:39

Moe Factz: answer your question, that was Garrison Hayes YouTube

1:37:43

channel, where that came from, just to give the content creator

1:37:47

credit there. But I guess we need to thank some people now.

1:37:51

Adam Curry: We need to thank a whole bunch of people, because this is, of course, the very last in the series of mol facts

1:37:56

with Adam curry. So the Unknown: white man and the black man have to be able to sit down

1:38:00

at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his

1:38:03

mind without hurting the feelings of that negro. And the

1:38:06

so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without

1:38:09

hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring

1:38:12

the issues that are under the rug out on top the table and

1:38:14

take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. What's

1:38:17

the only way that they'll ever do it? Adam Curry: Then, before we move on. Mo, I want to thank you for

1:38:23

the past 99 episodes, and of course, for today's episode that

1:38:28

we've been doing, that we've been doing, exactly what that

1:38:31

clip has said since the last time we'll play it. Probably

1:38:34

Moe Factz: the funny thing is that we did it before the clip

1:38:37

even surfaced. But that was the cool part about it.

1:38:41

Adam Curry: We're breaking all the stereotypes telling you

1:38:44

crazy. Hey, we're gonna kick off with our executive and Associate

1:38:47

Executive producers who have supported Episode 100 and of

1:38:52

course, thank you to everyone who has supported the show

1:38:54

throughout its existence in the past five years. We do have a

1:38:58

big ball shot. Unknown: Caller 20 is Blaze only Impala,

1:39:04

Adam Curry: and we kick it off with Benjamin nites, who has a

1:39:08

nice angel number here, $777.99 of course, that was for episode

1:39:14

99 and he says, and of course, he'll be a top executive

1:39:18

producer. It's been almost 20 years since I first heard Adam

1:39:20

curry live from the Apple Store on twit. Wow. I don't even

1:39:26

remember when I was in the Apple Store, but I believe you episode

1:39:29

99 was super powerful, and the MLK assassination was always a

1:39:33

gap in my historical knowledge. The Hunt angle loops back into

1:39:36

the no agenda reading list and Russ Baker's family of secrets.

1:39:40

It does indeed, I found this episode served as a wonderful

1:39:43

appendix to that book. I cannot wait to watch Dark Legacy and

1:39:47

the sequel on bitch shoot. Yes, of course. Thank you very much,

1:39:50

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mean, our producers have done a great job with sharing. I always

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Appreciate it, but please continue to share, because

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Adam Curry: it's going to stay up. If nothing will ever come

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it's on all kinds of backup systems. I think we're also on

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archive.org but if not, I'll make sure that happens, just so

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that I appreciate that for a long time. Hey, and you know

1:40:57

what, why don't you download it all onto a CD or something, or

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anthropologists can go, what is this?

1:41:07

Moe Factz: They make great stocking stuffers. Adam Curry: Blathercast comes in as executive producer 333 sorry

1:41:14

for missing the draft. This is Sir Johnny B I'll take a

1:41:18

douchebag for that. Oh, goodness gracious. Wasn't expecting a

1:41:22

douchebag. Well, don't we? I don't think

1:41:26

Moe Factz: he deserves it, but I mean, if he's asking for, I

1:41:29

guess we got to kind of honor him. Adam Curry: So hold on a second. Oh boy, it's like I wasn't

1:41:36

expecting a douchebag. If you want it, go for it. And I have a

1:41:42

request for a posthumous baller. I was the big baller, pre big

1:41:47

baller, so I'll take that now. I think we can do that.

1:41:50

Unknown: Baller, shot caller, 20 inch blades only, Impala, and he

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finishes Adam Curry: up by saying, sorry for letting the league down.

1:41:59

Moe Factz: If you're wondering what he's talking about, the

1:42:02

first facts, family, fantasy football,

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Adam Curry: yes, yes, yeah, Moe Factz: I remember. It's the it's the Yeah, it's the we're

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have me listening to the outwitting to Outwitting the

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Devil by Napoleon Hill. That was, that was great. I can't

1:42:45

thank you both enough for what you've brought from under the

1:42:48

rug, up on top the table. I truly loved and looked forward

1:42:52

to every episode you will be missed. Thanks for everything.

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clips Jimmy Dore and others were playing in late July, like they

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stumbled upon something Mo and Adam school. Me on years before,

1:43:24

happy 100th episode, and long live mo facts with Adam curry,

1:43:28

it will live long for sure. Ryan Tierney, 12345, congratulations

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on 100 episodes, four more years. Question mark, well, not

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of this show. Moe Factz: Now this show,

1:43:43

Adam Curry: then we had, this was a note and a card that was

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sent in. Let me bring this up here. Where is my where's my

1:43:53

note and my card? Here we go. This was from was it renegade

1:44:01

six and sparkles of chaos? Yes, yes. With the beautiful card,

1:44:04

beautiful now you have the card. Mo, explain. Explain. This card.

1:44:08

It is a Moe Factz: hand painted card of a Black Butterfly. Let me grab

1:44:14

it. Make sure I can read the back of it. It says a Black

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Butterfly, spiced Bush Swallowtail, which I'm a

1:44:21

butterfly guy, if you didn't know. And this was in honor of

1:44:28

the Black Butterfly episode with concerning Henrietta lack so.

1:44:34

And it's mentioned in the note as well, but it's a beautiful

1:44:37

hope we can get it in the show notes. If not, I'll probably be

1:44:41

posting it to x and other platforms so people can see it,

1:44:44

because I think it's a great it's just beautiful. So

1:44:48

Renegade. Adam Curry: Six and sparkles of chaos have a note to go with

1:44:50

that. Thanks, MO. We appreciate everything you sought to teach

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us in this series, and wish you the utmost success in your next

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chapter. My keeper sparkles of chaos painted this for you to.

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Say thank you to Henrietta Lacks for her unwilling gift that

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helped in her career, in her cancer treatment. I thank you

1:45:07

for helping me better understand where people are coming from.

1:45:10

And then he has a quote here from Sheriff Bart. Who's Sheriff

1:45:14

Bart? Unknown: I think that's from, I want to say tombstone. Let me

1:45:23

look it up while you read it. Adam Curry: Sheriff Bard, my work here is done. I'm needed

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elsewhere now. I'm needed where outlaws rule the West, where

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innocent women and children are afraid to walk the streets,

1:45:35

wherever man cannot live in simple dignity, wherever people

1:45:38

cry out for justice Moe Factz: and then blazing saddle side ass I

1:45:44

Adam Curry: was gonna say, my first guy was gonna say, All

1:45:49

right, you caught me to speak. The Plain Truth is getting

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pretty damned all around here. Have a good ride off in into the

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MO facts with Adam curry sunset, and we'll see you in the next

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venture. Thank you so much. That was beautiful. Appreciate you

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guys. Christopher Benfield, 106 sir combat, rock of the Idaho

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Highlands here, Mo, thank you for 100 enlightening episodes

1:46:11

Godspeed and your future endeavors. I hope to hear more

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for my birthday? Why? Yes, you can. I had some very busy screen

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here today. Hold on a second. Got your D dead beating.

1:46:25

Unknown: Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. They

1:46:30

always give me a biscuit on my birthday. That's got to

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Adam Curry: be one of the most requested, no agenda jingles,

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biscuit on my birthday. It's unbelievable. I made a show. You

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American culture, race relations and general education, about

1:46:50

past, present and future of this crazy world we live in. As

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someone who grew up in another country where almost everyone

1:46:56

was, quote, white, yet similar machinations were present. It is

1:46:59

clear that it was never about color of the skin, but about

1:47:03

them and us, those who feel supreme and inferior rest of us

1:47:06

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curry. Moe Factz: All right, so we have a little short block here, and

1:52:21

this is just on who's allowed to say it, which I'm gonna say

1:52:25

right now, no one in mixed company. Did you stick to that

1:52:29

rule? Who's allowed to say the N word?

1:52:33

Unknown: Honestly, not many people,

1:52:37

people of color. I would think you know, only

1:52:40

black people are allowed to say the N word point blank. I

1:52:43

don't have a problem with any other black people saying it. I

1:52:46

just think, like be conscious of how you say it and where you're

1:52:49

using it in the context, and don't use the hard er, because

1:52:52

that's really bad. I don't want people to ever forget that that was the last

1:52:57

word that some black men or women would have heard before

1:53:01

they were killed, before they were raped, before they were

1:53:03

assaulted. The word isn't what holds the power. It's the

1:53:07

conditions that that word existed under that still

1:53:10

perpetuates today, Adam Curry: just for the context. Mo, you said no one in

1:53:16

mixed company, yes, but that you can do it if you're not a mixed

1:53:20

company. Regardless, Moe Factz: I won't know about it. I'm sorry. I won't know

1:53:28

about it. Adam Curry: Oh yes, Moe Factz: I got you see how that work. I mean, like, I'm not

1:53:32

gonna be coming if I'm there. It is mixed company. Yeah, you

1:53:36

follow me. Like, I follow you. I'm an N word absolutist in this

1:53:43

standpoint that I'm not one of these people, that people of

1:53:48

color, slash colored people, can use it like, say, for instance,

1:53:52

Fat Joe or Asian people or that kind of thing. If you live close

1:53:57

to the culture and how they like to say it, that don't fly with

1:54:01

me. I think that's a word that needs to be reserved for black

1:54:05

people to use, but I think it's tacky when black people use it

1:54:08

in mixed company of other people. I make them clear what

1:54:11

my stance is, but if you use if you want to use it, make sure

1:54:17

it's not in mixed company that way, just for your sake and

1:54:21

safety and just everything else that's going on with being

1:54:25

canceled or wherever else. I mean, if you feel you have to

1:54:28

use that word, knock yourself out. But just don't do it in

1:54:31

mixed company. But I'm not one of these people that give out n

1:54:34

word passes to you see, and see, listen, this is a southern thing

1:54:39

versus a northern thing too. In the north New York, those kind

1:54:43

of places, I think they live so close together that you had

1:54:48

certain other ethnic groups. And even in California, you see it

1:54:51

as well that they let these other groups use the N word.

1:54:55

Then it gets confusing, when it gets disrespectful, because it's

1:54:59

like. Are you saying it to disrespect me, or are you

1:55:03

saying, I wish we can't go back. There's only one way to

1:55:06

disrespect yourself, against a lot of yourself. But I'm just

1:55:08

saying like, are you using it how I will use it against

1:55:12

another black person, that I'm being disrespectful, but not

1:55:16

with his word? Are using it as a slur, because that's where it

1:55:22

gets confusing. So I'm an N word absolutist. I don't use the word

1:55:28

in mixed company. I think it's tacky at best. It could be

1:55:33

trashy and terroristic. Oh, and I don't I suggest no other

1:55:39

people should use it in mixed company. If you feel the need to

1:55:42

use the word Adam Curry: is that that's exactly what I wanted to hear

1:55:46

from it, and Moe Factz: that's the best advice I can give you to stay

1:55:49

out of trouble. You were saying like to be honest. But if this

1:55:53

teacher would have listened to me, he wouldn't have had the

1:55:56

issue. And this is probably, if you want to say, the funniest

1:56:01

use of the word, if it's possible, but this teacher, he

1:56:06

gets in some hot water over Unknown: Valley, traditional high school is in the middle of

1:56:10

a racial controversy right now, a teacher used the N word

1:56:15

towards the students. The word is only six letters long, but

1:56:18

the impact is far reaching, and we do want to warn you that some

1:56:21

of the language in this story is strong and it may offend you, it

1:56:24

may offend some other people. But since the story is not just

1:56:28

about the N word, it's also about the teacher's intent and

1:56:31

definition of the word, we have decided to leave it in the story

1:56:34

for you to decide. And what did he say

1:56:38

specifically to you? Sit down. Keyshawn chambers is a freshman

1:56:43

at Valley High School, a Boy Scout, a football player, a

1:56:47

member of the ROTC, an honor roll student. He was hanging

1:56:50

around his teacher's classroom door in December. The teacher

1:56:53

told him to sit down, and the teacher says that N word first,

1:56:59

and I just kind of was stunned a second, well, well, then get

1:57:04

away from the door. And I was just I repeated the same insult,

1:57:11

because that's sort of what I've been trained to do.

1:57:17

Moe Factz: Once again, this is confusing. This word is conf, is

1:57:21

confu, and this variation is not the hard R, no, that was

1:57:30

obvious. I'm letting people know like it's not, it's, don't use

1:57:34

any of them. But there those are two different, completely

1:57:39

different words, completely, but people can hear them the same.

1:57:46

Now, are Adam Curry: you going to get into the difference between

1:57:49

these two words? Moe Factz: I mean, not really. I mean because, I mean because we

1:57:55

covered it kind of in the back and forth, in the funeral aspect

1:58:00

of it, you know, you have the hard R variety, right, which is

1:58:03

the spell, and then you have the n at the GA, which is like the

1:58:08

term endearment amongst black people. So, I mean, that's

1:58:13

pretty cut and dry. But like I said, it's, it just gets

1:58:19

confusing which spells are meant to be confusing. But let's go

1:58:23

ahead and Adam Curry: get whatever you whenever you say with a hard R,

1:58:27

all I can hear is Eddie Murphy mocking a white person using it.

1:58:32

He does that so well, all right, here's the next second part of

1:58:36

this clip. He Unknown: says n, i, G, G, E, R is a racial slur, but says that

1:58:41

students use ni GGA as often as they say dude or hey man, and

1:58:47

Dawson says as much as he does not like the word still use the

1:58:51

slang version to feel more comfortable with black students.

1:58:55

Why? Why is this word used so frequently? So I just, I just

1:59:03

don't understand it, and I'm trying to understand it. I need

1:59:07

help. Yes, I use Adam Curry: this guy needed to mofax with Adam Curry's, but we

1:59:13

were there to help see, finish the clip.

1:59:18

Unknown: I just, I just don't understand it, and I'm trying to

1:59:21

understand it. I need help. Yes, I use nigga. I've used it. I

1:59:30

admit it. I put the H on it to emphasize it's please. Can you

1:59:41

lend a nigga a pencil? What kind of example are you setting for your students if you use a

1:59:47

word that you don't have to use upon reflection, that's not good. Dawson

1:59:52

was suspended for 10 days without pay from January 9 to

1:59:56

January 23 and he has to go to diversity. Training. He says

2:00:01

that he's learned from this experience and hopes that others

2:00:03

think twice before using the N word,

2:00:06

I will never say any form of nigga. You know, I'm cured of

2:00:12

that you Adam Curry: had to go to diversity training. He's cured.

2:00:16

He's cured. And

2:00:18

Moe Factz: this would never happen if you take my advice of

2:00:22

never using it in mixed company, but

2:00:25

Adam Curry: also not also the context of a spell, he was, he

2:00:28

was cured from the spell, yes,

2:00:31

Moe Factz: yes, but he also triggered unintentionally, yeah,

2:00:36

he rubbed up against, you know, it's like, did you say

2:00:39

Beetlejuice or not, it's kind of like, sorry You said

2:00:42

Beetlejuice. So here's another and, and in this case, I have to

2:00:52

blame black people for this. Of using this word so flippantly

2:00:57

amongst mixed company, I find it. Tack is one of my pet peeves

2:01:03

and one of the most awkward things if you're as a black

2:01:07

person or with another black person, but they gave their non

2:01:11

black person, no matter the race, what it is, the N word

2:01:15

pass and they drop it, and then it's like this weird, because,

2:01:20

like, you look at the person that said it, and then you look

2:01:23

at their black friend, and then they both look at you, and it's

2:01:27

like, the you know, like, it's the most awkward situation. And

2:01:34

people know exactly what I'm saying, because either you've

2:01:36

been in this situation as one of these parties, it's just like,

2:01:41

oh, that's how y'all getting down over here, huh? But I guess

2:01:46

it's just don't do it, just don't I mean, just be like, be

2:01:51

saying he needs help. You know, we're trying to give you help.

2:01:54

But Kendrick Lamar ran into this situation with a concert. Goer

2:02:02

Kendrick Unknown: Lamar, a young man who I consider the leader of the new

2:02:05

school for this generation, was performing at the Hangout

2:02:07

festival in Alabama, and he decided to bring this young

2:02:10

Caucasian Delaney on stage to do a little trap karaoke. Now,

2:02:13

well, when you younger, you don't see things that way simply

2:02:15

because you only know the N word because your favorite black

2:02:18

artist uses it all the time, and your favorite black

2:02:20

personalities use it all the time, and your favorite black

2:02:22

athletes use it all the time. It's in the music that you

2:02:24

purchase. So I understand how, for a youngin, you know, the use

2:02:28

of the N word can be confusing. Now, Kendrick bought this white

2:02:31

woman on stage and had her sing Magic City. Let's be clear, this

2:02:35

song, match city has the N word in it 21

2:02:39

times. Let's listen to the audio and see How Delaney handled this

2:02:43

fear factor challenge over Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that happened.

2:03:17

Moe Factz: Yeah, this is, this is, this is a few years ago. But

2:03:21

even amongst Kendall Mars crew, this is Schoolboy Q was one of

2:03:27

his. It's a loosely, loose group called Black hippies. They are.

2:03:33

They disagree on this topic. You

2:03:35

Unknown: talking about these hipsters piled into your shows?

2:03:39

Oh yeah, talking about you can go ahead and say the N word in

2:03:43

here. So hold on, hold on. You feed my family, you pay my rent,

2:03:49

you you know what I'm saying. Like, you're not racist. You in

2:03:52

here listening to my music. Yeah, the line comes up. I'm not

2:03:56

expecting you to blah, blah, blah. Like, say it. It's a rap

2:04:00

concert. Like, I'm not telling you to go out on the street,

2:04:03

yeah, on the street and say it like, you know, I'm saying don't

2:04:06

do that. Like, but when you in the concert, man, be

2:04:09

comfortable. Like, our whole thing got high powers, like,

2:04:13

Kendrick made a song, but this is still for all of us. It was

2:04:16

called ethnicity. You know what I mean? Like, we don't believe

2:04:20

in that. Yes, we're black, Asian or whatever, but at the end of

2:04:23

the day, we all people. We bleed the same, breathe the same. We

2:04:26

may have babies the same. We all like the same music, obviously,

2:04:30

you know, so like, if you in my concert and the N word comes up,

2:04:35

don't be scared to say it. Like, don't go somebody gonna hurt you

2:04:38

in my show. Like, you know, we all having fun. We relieve your

2:04:41

stress. Adam Curry: This reminds me of a story in Austin, I want to say,

2:04:47

maybe two, three years ago, where a bunch of schoolgirls

2:04:52

were singing along. I don't know what's I don't remember the

2:04:54

song, and they were doing an Instagram then it had the N

2:04:59

word, and they. Were, you know, they were just wrapping along

2:05:02

with the N word, and they got expelled from school. And

2:05:05

Moe Factz: once again, mints come. And here's where I'm

2:05:10

confused, because I get confused like everybody else. If you make

2:05:16

art and the art is meant for the world's consumption. Is it okay

2:05:23

to use the N word? Because technically, that's mixed

2:05:28

company. You catch what I'm saying, like I don't. I go back

2:05:34

and forth wrestling with myself on is it should it be used or

2:05:41

not, and where I end up landing is if it has artistic purpose

2:05:50

and not just a filler word, I think you have justification to

2:05:56

use the word, But if you're just using it to punctuate sentences,

2:06:03

I don't Adam Curry: that's just Yeah, right, but that comes down to

2:06:07

you're saying the artists, the artists themselves,

2:06:09

Moe Factz: yeah? But, I mean, there are certain artistic

2:06:12

standards, you know, like it just like we could. I know

2:06:18

people that punctuate sentences with MF, which also has a racist

2:06:22

connotation, but that's another story for another day. Um, is

2:06:28

it? It, even with, even with swearing like I don't swear on,

2:06:35

uh, on this show much, unless it's necessary to illustrate a

2:06:42

point, and that's what I'm saying. Like, is it necessary to

2:06:47

use these words to make a point, or are you just using it? Just

2:06:56

to use it? And I believe the reason why I was using rap is to

2:07:01

fill in. It's a good filler word. When you're trying to have

2:07:04

a syllabus, you're balancing your syllables, syllables in the

2:07:09

line. You can throw that one in there. And I'm saying it's like

2:07:13

a filler word. So I think that's one of the main purposes of it.

2:07:18

So I mean, that's, I don't know where I stand. I don't know

2:07:21

where I stand on it, because you don't want to censor art. But

2:07:28

also, art is a very, you know, I'm saying, like, are usually

2:07:33

really art at a point? Yeah.

2:07:36

Adam Curry: I mean, is Banksy art is who's afraid of red,

2:07:40

yellow and blue art. I mean, right, can go on forever for me,

2:07:45

none of it bothers me, like whatever, yeah, none of it.

2:07:50

Moe Factz: I see where you're coming from. But here, the

2:07:55

reason why I made this, this segment, is this next set of

2:07:58

clips, and I didn't want to really talk about her. I avoided

2:08:02

her online as much as possible. But it was the it was the

2:08:11

interest that she drew in that interest me, not her herself,

2:08:16

the lady that the TRad wife that dropped the N word. I don't know

2:08:20

if you've heard her or not. No, no, no, I don't know. Oh yeah.

2:08:24

This was a big thing about a few months ago, 28 so it's

2:08:27

Unknown: been requested. Let's talk about Trad wife. Tick

2:08:30

tocker, Lily Gaddis, a Trad wife, short for traditional

2:08:32

wife, basically the idea that a woman's proper place is in the

2:08:35

home, cooking, cleaning, while the man brings in the money. And

2:08:38

Lily's been in the news recently because there was a video that

2:08:40

she posted where she was chatting with her viewers about

2:08:42

a with her viewers about a quote, dumb whores, immigrants

2:08:44

Fresh Off the Boat looking for a green card, as well as gold

2:08:47

diggers with it all. Then, leading to this clip, everybody

2:08:50

I know who's married right now, they're married to broke

2:08:57

and they don't care. We don't give a money. That video blowing

2:09:00

up. A lot of the responses going, what did she say? They're

2:09:03

getting millions and millions of views until her Tiktok got

2:09:06

suspended online. You saw tons of people super pissed off and

2:09:09

disgusted, clearly, then responding with his video.

2:09:12

So a recent video of mine seems to have upset members of a

2:09:17

certain community, and it this, although backlash just really

2:09:22

made me, you know, just really do a deep dive, like do a soul

2:09:25

search, and after all that, I still couldn't find a care.

2:09:33

Adam Curry: Wow, controversy. Oh no. And

2:09:36

Moe Factz: this is where you have to be weird when she said

2:09:39

that collectively, everyone should have just looked at her,

2:09:44

almost like looking through her, because the whole point of this

2:09:47

was to draw engagement. I'm gonna say what shouldn't be said

2:09:52

or couldn't be said exactly, you know, and like flies the shit.

2:09:56

Once again, I use that in an artistic way. Yes. Here they

2:10:00

come. Here, everybody, the haters came the Oh, you, Oh,

2:10:07

you, you. You're based Lily. You're based only. And then at

2:10:12

the mean, just to spoil the punch line here, I mean, because

2:10:15

they're going to get into it, but when they started looking to

2:10:17

her past, she didn't meet the litmus test of the people. She

2:10:21

thought she was based for but 29 with

2:10:24

Unknown: all of that leading to people online, finding her job,

2:10:27

sending the clip to her employer, which also, I will say

2:10:29

I found confusing. Why does a Trad wife have a job? You should

2:10:31

be in the kitchen, making sandwiches and babies, making

2:10:34

Harrison Butker types feel like manly men, despite playing the

2:10:37

one position they sometimes let women play. But yeah, she was

2:10:39

apparently a marketing and sales manager at a home health care

2:10:42

company for the elderly and disabled in North Carolina, we

2:10:45

got to go past tense, because yesterday, without naming her,

2:10:47

the company announced that it had fired an employee over

2:10:50

quote, inflammatory remarks on social media that do not align

2:10:52

with the values and beliefs of our company. Right into that

2:10:55

news, we saw a lot of people rejoicing, but also a lot of

2:10:57

other people pissed off. So personally, my reaction was much

2:11:00

closer to Hank Green's. But I'm saying there's never been a more

2:11:03

clear example of a person trying to rage bait their way into

2:11:06

becoming a conservative pundit than this woman. And in fact,

2:11:08

Lily herself ended up tweeting, thanks black community for

2:11:11

helping to launch my new career in conservative media. You all

2:11:14

played your role well, like the puppets you are, and it appears

2:11:17

like she's gonna be speed run in the circuit. I mean, she was

2:11:19

just on Infowars. She just made a video about everything being

2:11:22

gay. And ultimately, this ends up being an example of the

2:11:25

culture war economy that we see online.

2:11:27

Adam Curry: Ooh, I like that. Culture war economy. Ah,

2:11:30

exactly. Yeah, that's right, yeah. And

2:11:34

Moe Factz: the thing is, she doesn't have any talent at all

2:11:40

other than saying the N word, you bring her on your show.

2:11:44

Everybody brought on Candace Owens, Alex Jones,

2:11:47

Adam Curry: really, I missed all of this outrage. Oh no, every

2:11:51

Moe Factz: conservative platform had her. What's the two guys?

2:11:57

The brothers Adam Curry: the hedge

2:12:01

Moe Factz: Yeah, those guys, Adam Curry: hedgewood. What are they called? I forget what?

2:12:06

Hodgepodge, Hodge, Hodge twins. Hodge twins,

2:12:09

Moe Factz: yeah, all it was just like, oh, let's get her own.

2:12:12

Let's get her own. Oh, you said the N word, you know, that kind

2:12:15

of thing, like past that. What do you and this is what I'm

2:12:18

talking about, art. Even podcasting is art. We got to

2:12:21

make this clear right now, podcasting is just like hip hop,

2:12:25

in the sense of everybody can rap, but not everybody can rap.

2:12:30

If you get what I'm saying, everybody can podcast, but

2:12:33

everybody can't Podcast. I'm sorry, yes, gotta kind of have

2:12:40

something to say, and it doesn't matter what you say. That's

2:12:42

going Adam Curry: to be my new bumper sticker. Podcasting is just like

2:12:45

hip hop. Yes, yes. Finally, recognition,

2:12:49

Moe Factz: because it's a microphone and a person and you

2:12:53

have to express yourself. Now we have beats, clips, you know,

2:12:58

saying our other you know, backdrops to, you know, the to

2:13:03

keep the motion going, but you have to have something to say

2:13:08

other than just making word drama. It's this. It's the same

2:13:12

thing. So you got, we got to be careful of who we give,

2:13:18

Adam Curry: who we platform. Moe Factz: I wouldn't say that because, like, that gets kind of

2:13:22

communist. You're saying. What I'm saying is you got to have a

2:13:26

standard of what you consume, like, everybody should have a

2:13:31

platform where you should where your taste should be, like, do

2:13:34

you just eat anything, you know, like that kind of I'm not saying

2:13:37

you can't make chitlins. I understand. Why would you eat

2:13:40

shit? Adam Curry: Yes, I follow. I follow.

2:13:47

Unknown: There's better options out here, folks, there are

2:13:50

better options. Adam Curry: That was perfect. You put me right in the mood for

2:13:55

the next donation segment I needed that was little, little

2:13:58

palette cleanser. Yes, let's just make this light for a

2:14:00

moment. Oh, I gotta go find the TRad wife. Now, I can't believe

2:14:04

that she was on everybody's podcast too. That that, that

2:14:08

just shows you what was the term. Again, culture the culture

2:14:13

war economy. Culture war economy. Let me just hear it

2:14:18

again. Unknown: It appears like she's gonna be speed run in the

2:14:21

circuit. I mean, she was just on Infowars. She just made a video

2:14:24

about everything being gay. And ultimately, this ends up being

2:14:26

an example of the culture war economy that we see online.

2:14:30

Adam Curry: It's that is a great descriptor the culture war

2:14:34

economy. Yeah, it works. Which people make a blank off it

2:14:40

before Moe Factz: we thank people for they appreciate what we do. We

2:14:44

avoided that. Yes, we don't talk about hot stories when they're

2:14:49

hot, we wait. We wait till they fully develop the one, the

2:14:55

biggest one was George Floyd. We waited until that thing played

2:14:59

all the way. It out? Yeah, the Vert was final, then we talked

2:15:03

about it. So it's like, I said it's better options out here.

2:15:07

Yeah, so the Adam Curry: and not participating in the culture war

2:15:11

economy is definitely a vow of poverty, but that's podcasting

2:15:15

this hip hop. We're the true hippopers with no record, no

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record deal Moe Factz: that was not broke. I like brand new money. I

2:15:22

Unknown: just I don't want any money around me is not I'd

2:15:26

almost rather have a new one than a brand than an old 20.

2:15:30

That's kind of dumb and but there's something about new

2:15:33

money that excites you. You like $100 bills? Oh, yeah,

2:15:36

I like money too. Oh, most beautiful thing on earth is $100 bill? I haven't

2:15:41

seen a woman as good looking as $100 bill. There's something

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$100 bill that excites you. Well, Adam Curry: we already did our $100 bills. Now it's under 50,

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Moe Factz: I want to say something before we continue on that it's those little dings on your phone that say, okay,

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somebody still cares out there. It's not the money, you're

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saying. It's not the amount. And if people know me in Eclass,

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you're saying, Can I attest to this? I never did anything for

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the money in my life. And I don't mean like we got to work

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to live, but I never made a decision in my life based off of

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what, what was, you know, finance up front. You know, all

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this is the best, the best thing. No, no, I have to really

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want to do something to do it. And this, you'd be surprised.

2:22:19

Like that one little, oh, that $5 message here to keep you

2:22:23

going, you're saying when you're up late at night listening to

2:22:25

clips and listen to source material, you know, just to say

2:22:29

somebody still cares out there and finds value. That's the real

2:22:33

magic of value. For value is knowing somebody cares out there

2:22:39

what you're doing. So I just want to say that you know, is,

2:22:45

you know, saying it keeps you going, it

2:22:47

Adam Curry: does, that's it certainly does. And of course,

2:22:50

we never did this for the money. We did it. We liked each other.

2:22:53

We wanted to explore something that is has not really been well

2:22:59

explored in in media, certainly not in American media. You know,

2:23:04

there were, there were fakers who came along Obama and they

2:23:08

tried to do it, Bruce, take that bomber. They didn't even come

2:23:14

close to scratching the surface of what we done here. For me, it

2:23:18

is most important that people find this in the future, for

2:23:21

your kids, for your grandkids, that something is around and

2:23:24

that at some point in the future, people can say, hey,

2:23:27

this is how these guys saw it at this point in time.

2:23:32

Moe Factz: And hopefully it helps you to seek first to

2:23:34

understand, that's right, that's, that's, that's the real

2:23:37

goal, and that's the real magic of us coming together, because

2:23:40

we both came into this seeking, first, to understand, right and

2:23:44

and we had some levity, some comedy there. But I want to let

2:23:50

people know that the conditions of the N word never stopped.

2:23:55

There's this misconception that after slavery, after Jim Crow,

2:24:00

after civil rights, the condition stopped. Well, sad to

2:24:09

say it didn't. And I'm gonna these next 10, Eclipse is kind

2:24:14

of like black pillage, but no pun intended. But I just want

2:24:19

to, like, I want to express why this word holds the weight that

2:24:26

it does, because the condition still exists. This is Noam

2:24:29

Chomsky, and he explains the hidden history of America.

2:24:33

Unknown: You told me you taught in school that claim slavery

2:24:35

ended in the Civil War. It did for about 10 years. By 1877

2:24:41

there was a compact made by north and south that the South

2:24:45

could do what it felt like, essentially. So they reinstated

2:24:47

slavery, but they reinstituted in a much more brutal form. What

2:24:52

they did is criminalize black life. So if a black man is

2:24:56

standing on a street corner, he can be arrested for vagrancy

2:24:59

and. If he looks at a white woman, he could be arrested for

2:25:04

attempted rape, you know, or something. And it didn't matter

2:25:07

if you're, you know, you were in for a $10 fee. You'd never get

2:25:10

out because he couldn't pay the corrupt judge, and you couldn't

2:25:13

pay the lawyer. He didn't have any money anyway. So it was

2:25:15

essentially permanent servitude. Moe Factz: And a good example of this is, if you ever seen seen

2:25:23

the show held on wheels, you ever seen that show, I don't

2:25:28

think so about when they're building a train across America?

2:25:31

No, no, no, yes. You know, great show. Great show, the context

2:25:37

they have the race relationships of the Irish and and and the

2:25:43

freedmen, and they even have a Swede on there. And some of the

2:25:48

you know this, everybody, it's very in the Native Americans.

2:25:54

It's amazing how they capture it. And one of the components of

2:25:58

it is these, basically prisoners that were traded, you know,

2:26:06

their their labor was traded Adam Curry: to help build a railroad. Still the same today,

2:26:13

Moe Factz: yeah. Well, that's one of the things that Kamala

2:26:16

slash Kamala is accused of, is holding people

2:26:21

Adam Curry: longer for longer, Moe Factz: for cheap. Yeah. So, yeah. So let's get into the

2:26:27

second part of Chomsky. Unknown: These criminalized blacks were then handed over to

2:26:32

industry, and that's a large part of American industrial

2:26:35

development, this big southern industrialization based on

2:26:39

Mines, you know, steel, us, steel and so on. A lot of just

2:26:43

based agriculture, of course, that went back right back to the

2:26:45

cotton fields, and this is a large part of American

2:26:48

industrial economic history that's based and it was worse

2:26:51

than slavery for exactly the reasons that the slave owners

2:26:54

had always argued. When we own these guys, we take care of

2:26:57

them. When we just pick them up from the jails, we don't give a

2:27:00

damn about them if they die at starvation. Final, got more from

2:27:04

the jails. So you had a period worse than slavery. It went up

2:27:08

to the Second World War. Was not small. Big impact on American

2:27:12

industrial history. Big Impact

2:27:16

Moe Factz: Second World War. So that was night in 1940s but sad

2:27:20

to say, in the 2020s this thing still exists in Alabama. Well,

2:27:27

Unknown: a lot of people are calling it modern slavery. Does

2:27:29

that feel just about to say, That's slavery, that's slavery. You

2:27:34

took away the Wilkes, but you put the paperwork, took away the

2:27:37

Masters, and you gave put them in uniform. Same difference,

2:27:41

Same difference. It kind of appears that there is a coordinated system in order to

2:27:48

protect the labor that's created by the prison system.

2:27:53

Walk into a McDonald's in Alabama and the worker flipping

2:27:56

your McDouble could be an incarcerated person.

2:28:00

Here's a sad situation a way, they getting rich off of

2:28:04

the Alabama Department of Corrections farms out

2:28:07

incarcerated people to work at hundreds of private companies

2:28:10

and government agencies across the state. McDonald's,

2:28:14

Burger King, Golden Corral, Wendy's, they got a Wendy's

2:28:18

contract right now, state troopers office.

2:28:23

They'll send everybody everywhere. They'll send you

2:28:25

everywhere. Yes, the parole office, and

2:28:29

even though Adoc trusts these incarcerated people to leave

2:28:33

prison every day and work alongside the general public,

2:28:37

many of them are still denied the chance at real freedom.

2:28:42

Adam Curry: Yeah, wasn't that the Corrections Corporation of

2:28:45

America, the CCA? I think I'm not the short track. I think so.

2:28:52

But Moe Factz: that's, that's you're safe enough to go work in

2:28:55

Wendy's, but you, you're not safe enough to get paroled or

2:29:00

let go. And I know some people like, Well, they did the crime.

2:29:04

You did do the time. These are non violent offenders. Most of

2:29:12

them like, uh, well, I'll let go. Let go into 30 you want to

2:29:15

say anything before we don't know anything. But what I'm

2:29:17

saying, this is McDonald's, Wendy's. I mean, like the same

2:29:23

thing is going on. These conditions still exist. So we,

2:29:27

when you say this word, this, this is what gives it the weight

2:29:32

of the magic. You know the spell, because all all these

2:29:37

feelings are conjured back up. If it was in the past, it would

2:29:42

be in the past, you know, that kind of thing. But it's not, but

2:29:45

it's, but it's not, you know, at all. It's kind of, I'm gonna

2:29:49

give you an example. It might be a poor example, but it's the

2:29:52

closest one. I think of is it's a difference if you cheated on

2:29:56

your wife in high school, or if you cheated on your wife in high

2:29:59

school. You had a baby out of it, you see the difference?

2:30:03

Like, if it wasn't no baby out of it, it's like she might kind

2:30:06

of got past it, but no, you know, saying it's still evidence

2:30:11

that exists that hasn't been addressed. You know, there isn't

2:30:16

water under the dam. You know, it's still here. It's not went

2:30:20

anywhere. So this is what gives the magic word the power.

2:30:27

Hopefully, that was a good analogy. Unknown: I got it all right, 34

2:30:32

but Adoc offers people in prison with non violent misdemeanor

2:30:36

convictions a potentially life saving deal. If they join the

2:30:41

work release program, they get to live in special facilities

2:30:44

that are generally much less dangerous than regular prisons.

2:30:48

They spend their days working in the free world without prison

2:30:51

supervision, and they can earn 72 hour passes to visit their

2:30:55

families at home. If you

2:30:57

go out here and you do the right thing, you get to elevate. You

2:31:01

get to grow, you get out of this facility. But you know what you

2:31:04

didn't tell me is that you even get all my money. That's what

2:31:08

they didn't tell you. The State takes a 40% cut of every incarcerated workers,

2:31:13

wages off the top, before taxes, plus an additional $5 a day for

2:31:19

Van rides to and from work, $15 a month for laundry and then any

2:31:24

restitution and court fees. If your check is 636, you might see two, something two,

2:31:33

something out of that, and that's a two, that's every two

2:31:37

weeks, and you didn't work eight hours and only seen $200

2:31:42

Adam Curry: Yeah. I'm glad that we had this clip, because it

2:31:45

triggered me the work release program. I remember when this

2:31:48

was put in place. Do you Unknown: Yes? Obama,

2:31:55

Moe Factz: yeah. I mean, it don't matter. It matters, but it

2:32:02

doesn't matter what color the person is putting it in. It's

2:32:06

who do they serve, right? It was saying, like, Obama is the

2:32:09

biggest you're saying one of the biggest supporters of the system

2:32:14

of white supremacy. That's what scares me about Kamala. You were

2:32:18

saying, like, if she gets in there, oh boy, you were saying

2:32:22

like they really got some cover going a woman, a colored woman,

2:32:28

you know, what kind of damage she could do. They have

2:32:32

coverage, Adam Curry: and we haven't actually discussed this. I i

2:32:36

watched the debate last night. You watched the debate. I never

2:32:40

underestimate Trump's ability to communicate to the American

2:32:46

people. When I say the American people, that's not you and I yet

2:32:51

we're I would call us the media class, the the true American

2:32:58

people are really hurting, and they see it. They see what's

2:33:04

going on. I think he communicated, first of all,

2:33:08

debates never matter. They never have. It's, you know, trust the

2:33:12

science on that one. They really don't matter. The only matter

2:33:16

for in certain cases of people who didn't matter in the first

2:33:21

place, like the Dean scream and other things like that. It gives

2:33:27

a it gives the media a thing to hold on to. In this case, there

2:33:31

was nothing new. Everybody's already heard these accusations.

2:33:35

I think Trump's consistent hammering on the border on crime

2:33:41

and even eating the dogs. I think that resonated. And I

2:33:46

don't know if he'll, I don't know if he'll win the election

2:33:51

based upon the Electoral College, but I think he

2:33:54

definitely will win the popular vote. I think it was, it was

2:33:59

very uncomfortable to watch, and all the things that we all felt

2:34:03

like, oh man, how come you didn't How come you got

2:34:05

triggered by this, this? Yeah, but the message, which was

2:34:10

consistent throughout the entire, you know, more than an

2:34:15

hour and a half, I think it resonates with the people who

2:34:18

will come out to vote. I do not think, I do not think we'll see

2:34:22

Kamala Harris as president. Moe Factz: Here's my two takeaways. First, I find it

2:34:30

amazing that Ms 13, all these gangs taking over apartment,

2:34:38

these are all narratives, true or not true? Who knows we

2:34:42

talking about media narratives here, but it's Haitians eating

2:34:45

the dogs and cats is one. Get everybody worked up? You know,

2:34:50

it might honestly we've had children be human trafficked,

2:34:55

taken, you know, I'm saying, uh, kidnap. Deleted. Need all this

2:35:00

stuff, but it's the Haitians eating ducks. That's

2:35:05

Adam Curry: correct. No, that. That is America. That's America,

2:35:09

but that's Moe Factz: what I'm saying. What are the Haitians? Hello. They'll

2:35:13

say just like at the border, I ain't seen nobody else get

2:35:16

chased down on horseback, except people that kind of look like

2:35:20

me. I'm just, I'm being, I'm being completely honest here.

2:35:24

Why is it always the darker the immigrant, the worse the

2:35:28

immigrant, not the crime they're doing. No, you thought you

2:35:33

follow them. Yes, I

2:35:36

Adam Curry: hadn't considered it from that angle. But yes, of

2:35:38

course. But, but Moe Factz: on the other hand, what I'm most afraid of is I'm

2:35:43

right about the orange people about to be people of color. I

2:35:48

think it doesn't matter what happens in this election. I told

2:35:52

my wife. I said they're gonna take it and they're gonna say,

2:35:56

if you want it, come take it. You came up here last time on

2:35:59

January 6. Do it again, but we're in power now. See orange.

2:36:04

People have not seen the system really turn up. And this is what

2:36:10

scared like, seriously, I mean, like, this is, this is what I

2:36:14

find concerning, because if they did what they did out of power,

2:36:22

and they control the media. Do you really think they just gonna

2:36:25

give it up? Did you see how they lied last night on all those

2:36:30

flat checks? And I'm telling you like, this is what I'm saying.

2:36:33

Like orange people. I told when I we started this show, I said

2:36:37

it starts with it. I said that from the very beginning, it

2:36:41

starts with us. I'm afraid y'all about to be declassified to full

2:36:49

colored people. It doesn't I hope, I pray I'm you don't know

2:36:55

how wrong I want to be, but I truly hope I'm wrong. But these

2:37:01

people got an agenda, and Trump is bad for their business. Of

2:37:06

the system they want you're saying they they trade it in

2:37:11

their white coat sheets for white coats. Well,

2:37:16

Adam Curry: if that's what we deserve, then that's what we'll

2:37:18

have to go through. No, I'm Moe Factz: just telling you, that's the gaslighting, you

2:37:24

know, the get the level of gas likeness going on the level of

2:37:28

every she hit, every meme, as far as the fine people on both

2:37:36

sides. I mean, like they haven't been like, they haven't been

2:37:40

this Adam Curry: debunked, yes, but yes. But meanwhile, a ground

2:37:48

game has taken place to do the utmost to protect the the

2:37:56

integrity of the elections, and I, I have faith in this, because

2:38:04

if not now, then maybe never. And again, I think the trap is

2:38:13

to think that something was lost with a debate. It just, it

2:38:17

doesn't matter. Moe Factz: No, no, no, no, no. This, this was, this was my

2:38:21

thought, pre debate. This is my thought, all the way from the

2:38:25

beginning of everything. What you say, we say that enough.

2:38:31

What do you say? It in Dutch, what they, what they what you

2:38:35

are, what I say, I or I am, what you say,

2:38:37

Adam Curry: what you say, being yourself. Meet your corporate

2:38:39

health, yeah. What Moe Factz: do they always say? Trump gets into power. He's not

2:38:42

going to relinquish it, if that holds true. But you say, I'm not

2:38:48

saying I'll pray to the God above I'm wrong, but you just

2:38:53

said one word that white supremacy don't have is

2:38:56

integrity, Adam Curry: exactly.

2:39:00

Moe Factz: So I'm just telling you. So I'm just, I'm just, when

2:39:05

I'm saying this, from the standpoint of for people's

2:39:09

mental health, are and I say this to all the producers, all

2:39:14

my friends, everybody out there, are you prepared if it doesn't

2:39:19

go the way you expect it to go because this is how black people

2:39:23

have to live. If I can't, if I don't do any, if I throw this

2:39:29

microphone away after this tonight or today, hear me out.

2:39:33

This is how we have to live like I know what's right, but I know

2:39:38

how it can go. And are you mentally prepared? Are you and I

2:39:44

can say, I hope everything goes well and he wins, or even if he

2:39:48

don't win, everything's on the up and up, whatever it is. But

2:39:51

like I said, Are you mentally prepared for what may happen?

2:39:58

Because these people. Are ridiculous, agreed,

2:40:02

Adam Curry: and I'm more concerned about Trump winning.

2:40:07

What, what we're going to get on the streets. We have to be

2:40:13

prepared for winning too, right?

2:40:17

Moe Factz: Which I would say four years. If he wins, they

2:40:27

say, We kick the can down the road. You know, he can justify

2:40:33

Adam Curry: he'll be four very, very turbulent years.

2:40:36

Moe Factz: Yeah, I'm just saying, but like the Democrat, I

2:40:38

mean, this is the calculus they're weighing right now.

2:40:40

You're saying not to belabor the point, but they're saying, Do we

2:40:45

and what's this is what? Let me give you the background from my

2:40:49

my explanation of why I'm so concerned. They're looking at

2:40:53

the Supreme Court. This is what it's all about, is the Supreme

2:40:58

Court, because if they win, Clarence is probably he can't

2:41:05

keep holding on. You might can get two justices out there bring

2:41:09

some kind of balance back to the courts. This, this is, this is

2:41:13

their logic. This. I mean, this is me doing the war gaming for

2:41:17

them. But if Trump wins, Clarence is gone, the other

2:41:22

conservative justice is gone, and they get some young, fresh

2:41:25

faces in there that will hold the court for a mighty long

2:41:29

time. Yeah, you're right. That's what I'm saying. Like they're

2:41:32

desperate. That's the word their their desperation scares me.

2:41:36

Well, Adam Curry: here comes another Dutch saying, and cotton is now

2:41:39

mark that are out of sproma, which means, translation,

2:41:43

please. When you drive a cat into the corner, it can make

2:41:47

very strange jumps. Okay,

2:41:51

Moe Factz: and that's, who's the cat? Is it? That's, that's my

2:41:54

question. Like, who is the cat in this situation?

2:41:56

Adam Curry: The Democrats, yeah, the crazy, crazy Democrat party,

2:42:01

right? Moe Factz: So I'm just telling you, I'm just, like I said, I

2:42:04

don't want to scare people. I don't want to black peel people.

2:42:07

I'm saying this for a mental health standpoint. Well, if it

2:42:12

doesn't go, you're and then I'm telling you, this is this is

2:42:15

this is my existence, honestly. And like I said, it sounds don't

2:42:21

know you've Adam Curry: said this from the beginning. You have said this

2:42:25

from the beginning. The big takeaways of 100 episodes is it

2:42:29

starts with us. We're just we're just first, and orange is a

2:42:34

color. So these things have always stuck in my mind and but

2:42:39

I also look at America as a federation of states. I look at

2:42:44

individual communities. You live in a community, I live in a

2:42:48

community that's where we can make a difference and and or

2:42:52

not. And this is America, not the first time. This is not our

2:42:56

first rodeo with nonsense like this. Yeah.

2:42:59

Moe Factz: And like I said, I'm not talking about totalitarian,

2:43:02

kicking indoors. But like you said, communities like, there

2:43:06

was the quote, unquote black community, you know, saying that

2:43:09

was, like the safe space for black people, that kind of

2:43:13

thing. They're gonna be orange communities, you know, where you

2:43:16

can you'll have the school board, you'll have the mayor,

2:43:19

you'll have city council and that kind of thing. Um, so no,

2:43:24

I'm like, I'm not. Adam Curry: I live in an orange community,

2:43:28

Moe Factz: right? I live in an orange community. Yes, I said I

2:43:30

had to go where the guns are. What you mean? Adam Curry: That's right, we give each other guns for

2:43:38

birthday presents around here, I had Moe Factz: to come where the guns is in you like, for real,

2:43:43

for real. You're saying, GBG all day, but I'm just saying, like

2:43:46

we and I just found a song to say, because I mean it, mentally

2:43:52

prepare yourself for the worst and pray for the best. Because

2:43:56

that's what if it happens, you're already ready, yeah, and

2:44:01

you don't have to get ready. And I think that's what happened in

2:44:04

the aftermath of 2020 a lot of people weren't ready. Weren't

2:44:09

ready, you know, and like to think they won't do it again.

2:44:13

That's the we're doing it right now. You were saying like,

2:44:17

hello, 2031 3233 34 we're at where we're at right now. Oh,

2:44:24

you think they won't lock black people up and use them as labor?

2:44:27

Hello, we got Wendy's. We got McDonald's. That's right, we're

2:44:32

still doing it. You know, that's so, yeah, yeah, you were saying

2:44:37

they, they don't stop. They're relentless, and it's because

2:44:40

they they truly have something wrong in their brain and in

2:44:45

their hearts and in their souls.

2:44:48

Adam Curry: Seriously, it's, it's spiritual warfare. Mo, it's

2:44:53

actually very old. It's a very old story, and once you realize

2:44:58

that, then. You can see it and like, Okay, I see what's going

2:45:02

on here. Well, Moe Factz: since we did that, let's just go ahead and jump to

2:45:06

37 and in honest, see, I always try to go deeper into figuring

2:45:15

out, why do people how can you see first? How do they think

2:45:19

like this? And it took me back to Nietzsche. Nietzsche, how you

2:45:23

want to say I've heard three different more pronunciations

2:45:28

than Kamala. People say it Yes, but it's like the genealogy of

2:45:35

morality, the master and the slave. 37 explains these

2:45:40

people's mindset. Unknown: So what about the Master's internal psychology?

2:45:45

Well, the Masters, they're Yes, Sayers, right? Their first act

2:45:49

of evaluation is to say, I'm awesome, I'm beautiful, I'm

2:45:52

strong, I'm rich. This is awesome. And what this surplus

2:45:56

of confidence provides for the master is that the master

2:45:59

becomes somewhat indifferent, a cool nonchalance to the external

2:46:03

world. He embraces danger. He's not easily offended at all. And

2:46:09

even when he commits atrocities, he walks away cheerful, I quote

2:46:14

you Nietzsche masters step back into the innocence of the beast

2:46:19

of prey conscience as jubilant monsters who perhaps walk away

2:46:24

from a hideous succession of murder, arson, rape, torture

2:46:28

with such high spirits and equanimity that it seems as if

2:46:31

they have only played a student prank, convinced that for years

2:46:35

to come, the poets will again have something to sing And

2:46:38

praise the picture that Nietzsche paints of the master

2:46:43

is of this joyful brute, and he is a brute, okay? So he's very

2:46:47

stupid, partially because he's never had to use his intellect.

2:46:51

But what's positive here is his naivete, okay, the fact that he

2:46:56

doesn't overthink things. Yeah, Adam Curry: exactly, exactly, don't, they don't overthink

2:47:01

things. Moe Factz: Beautiful brew, yeah, just go around the world is

2:47:08

kicking stuff over, just taking stuff, kicking stuff over, and

2:47:13

just causing mayhem on our on our dime and our name. See,

2:47:19

that's what we had to really get. You know you're doing this

2:47:21

under our name. Yeah. I mean, like, and this is at the when

2:47:29

the rubber meets the road. This is their mentality that they

2:47:33

don't have. They don't have, like, this Dave Chappelle Show

2:47:38

that says, The guy says I, he told the cop, said I didn't, I

2:47:42

didn't know I couldn't do that. And then the cop walks away

2:47:45

saying I did know I couldn't do that, that could like, yeah, you

2:47:49

know, you know it's wrong, but they don't care. They don't

2:47:53

care, but I don't give a hope to even their salvation for them, I

2:47:58

don't, Unknown: we can't, yeah,

2:48:03

Moe Factz: let's continue with the master. Unknown: So the best way to think about Nietzsche's Master

2:48:08

is your high school jock. Okay? He's a physical specimen. He's

2:48:13

on top of the social pecking order. He loves danger, extreme

2:48:17

sports, drunk driving, body checking people in hockey. He

2:48:21

bullies people, not because he's mad, but for him, it's fun to

2:48:26

shove someone into a locker and you can call all manner of

2:48:30

obscenities to his face, partially because he's so smug

2:48:35

and confident, partially because he's too stupid to realize what

2:48:38

you're actually saying. That might sound a very negative

2:48:42

ideal for us, partially because we have been influenced by

2:48:45

Christian morality, but it's the naive self assurance, okay, it's

2:48:48

the willingness to indulge in one's simple desires. It's the

2:48:51

natural independence. That's the first reason that makes this

2:48:55

masterly mode of evaluation preferable to the slave. The

2:48:59

second reason that slave morality is despicable for

2:49:01

Nietzsche is that they promote bad values. And Nietzsche wants

2:49:05

to ask, How can you not promote bad values? You've simply taken

2:49:10

what the Master's like and you've flipped it. Yeah,

2:49:15

Adam Curry: I've never read Nietzsche, to be honest about

2:49:18

it, Moe Factz: I've gotten into it for two reasons. There's this

2:49:22

whole stoic thing going on in the manosphere. Yeah. Definitely

2:49:29

a trend. Adam Curry: Yeah. Moe Factz: So in it, you get a lot of the, you know, the

2:49:34

talking points and and when I did the show on the Overman or

2:49:40

the Uber mention, and I think it's how you pronounce it. Um,

2:49:45

that's how I got into them. And so when you go down this hall

2:49:49

with your algorithm, it starts feeding you more and more

2:49:52

psychology and stuff like that. And what I don't want to do

2:49:56

this, I know I've got. You jumping around. But I want to

2:50:04

what that slave is, and really what the N word is. It goes to

2:50:09

Carl Jung and young. I heard, once again, these names, Young.

2:50:13

I'm just saying, but young Carl Jung, yeah, no, people are gonna

2:50:16

hit. No. It's this, you know, I'm saying like, they're gonna,

2:50:19

like, three people gonna give me three different pronunciations

2:50:21

afterwards, but I think we need to go to 43 and then come back

2:50:25

to the slave mentality. All right, because what the slave

2:50:30

is, and this is me and and, okay, so this this master, and

2:50:39

the slave is answer person, personal relation between two

2:50:44

people, yeah, or between two groups. Carl Young is answer

2:50:52

person, like the intrapersonal or inside yourself. He talks

2:50:57

about the shadow once again, this is, this is the algorithm

2:51:00

feeding me stoic talking points, um, but what he says is that

2:51:08

your shadow is everything you repress. So if you look at the

2:51:12

master, everything he represses is the weakness and morality and

2:51:17

all these things, right? He pushes those things down, then

2:51:20

he projects it onto the slave, onto the slave. That's why Black

2:51:26

people are in words, because we're everything that white

2:51:31

supremacy don't want to be. They project it on us. Are you

2:51:38

following me? No, I'm Adam Curry: following you. Mo and

2:51:41

Moe Factz: then what they do is use mass media to put to project

2:51:45

this on the world stage and say, look at them. What is a gangster

2:51:50

rapper? A gangster rapper is nothing but a warlord. You know,

2:51:55

there's no difference between Dick Cheney and a rapper. No,

2:52:00

when you really get down to it, you're saying, we're gonna go,

2:52:04

we're gonna go slide, we're gonna go slide on the rack, you

2:52:09

know, kicking they door, you know. Like, seriously, yeah, and

2:52:13

this is, this is, you know, so this is where I got to I was

2:52:17

like, Okay, so the shadow is being projected onto the slave.

2:52:24

The slave has to do it. The slave don't have no option. So

2:52:26

let's get into the projection. And that's 43 just

2:52:30

Unknown: because there are people who are unconscious of

2:52:33

their own dark sides, and they project that darkness outward

2:52:38

into, say, Jews or communists or whatever the enemy may be, and

2:52:43

say, there is the darkness, it is not in me. And therefore,

2:52:46

because the darkness is not in me, I am justified in

2:52:49

annihilating this enemy, whether it be with atom bombs or gas

2:52:54

chambers or what, but to the degree that a person becomes

2:52:57

conscious that the evil is as much in himself as in the other,

2:53:02

to this same degree he is not like to project it on to some

2:53:07

scapegoat and commit them as criminal acts of violence on

2:53:11

other people. Now this is, to me, the primary thing that Jung

2:53:16

saw, that in order to admit and really accept and understand the

2:53:21

evil in oneself. One had to be able to do it without being an

2:53:26

enemy to it. As he put it, you had to accept your own dark

2:53:30

side. Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, that's the human experience. Yes. And

2:53:35

America is a media country, and so we do this all day long to

2:53:41

each other all the time. Moe Factz: And I noticed this in movies as I got older. Rocky

2:53:47

Ford, the Russians was the bad guy, yep, right. And then it

2:53:52

went from the Russians, and then it went to the you started

2:53:56

seeing the Arabs as the bad guy, yeah,

2:53:59

Adam Curry: the sheik, the chic, yeah,

2:54:01

Moe Factz: you know. And then it went from them, and then, you

2:54:04

know, then you had the cartel members, and, you know, that

2:54:06

kind of they were the bad guy for a little while. Now we're

2:54:10

back to the Russians. They're constantly project their shadow

2:54:15

on and I'm not saying these are good people, but I'm just saying

2:54:19

that the projection, they're really projecting their shadow

2:54:23

off onto whoever they consider their enemy. And this is why,

2:54:28

when it shocks people that black people think a certain way,

2:54:34

because, like, Well, we thought You thought this way, it's like,

2:54:36

no. This is what the media wants you to think it's like, you

2:54:42

know, and that's why airtime, something trending, it's like,

2:54:45

that's normal, but not for what, how they project and use their

2:54:51

main, their mass media, or if you want to say how they cast

2:54:56

spells, you know, um, to to. Manipulate people to think a

2:55:01

certain way. The trauma based entertainment they've always

2:55:05

painted. That's why I said about OJ, they painted. OJ, well, they

2:55:08

didn't paint OJ. OJ appeared in that image of what they painted

2:55:13

all the years of this black brute that finally did it. Yeah.

2:55:18

That's why it was triggering people, whether he did it or

2:55:21

not. I'm telling you, that's how it appeared. That's why I'm

2:55:26

saying I completely agree. That's what I'm saying about

2:55:29

that's why Haitians eating your duck is more scary than Latin

2:55:33

people kidnapping your kids or your cat. You know, like they

2:55:39

paint, we're at the bottom. And when we say we're at the bottom,

2:55:42

we're at the bottom of every stereotype, because it's a color

2:55:45

based system. Now they might mess around and put orange down

2:55:49

there. Who knows? You know, saying, but more orange? I'm

2:55:53

gonna tell you why Orange is the problem, because Orange has

2:55:56

resources. Yeah, that's the problem. They have a whole lot

2:56:02

more resources than any other color person there is. So that's

2:56:07

why, you know, that's why they see you, you, you, and I hope I

2:56:11

mean not to say you, but I'm talking about the orange people

2:56:14

out there. That's why they you're seen as the biggest

2:56:17

threat, because you actually have resources. Yeah, you're

2:56:21

colored with resources, right? Which, that's a, that's a,

2:56:24

that's a recipe for disaster. Can't have that, yeah, can't

2:56:29

have that at all. So now we gotta go back back to 39

2:56:33

hopefully I explained that. Well, the master, his shadow was

2:56:37

projected onto the slave, and the slave becomes everything

2:56:41

that the master represses. Don't take my word for I did this all

2:56:45

in chat. GPT, yeah, no, serious.

2:56:49

Unknown: Don't laugh. Adam Curry: I know you did. I know as

2:56:54

Moe Factz: far as, like, what is the common thread? Like, this is

2:56:57

what this tool is great for. Like, what is the common thread

2:56:59

you're saying? Like, what that kind of thing when

2:57:02

Adam Curry: it comes to language chat, GPT is useful? Yes, all

2:57:07

right. 39 Nietzsche Unknown: argued that there are two explanations for how

2:57:11

morality develops. Part of the story is biopsychological, in

2:57:16

terms of what morality resonates with what psychological type of

2:57:20

person. One is the other part of the story is cultural, because

2:57:25

different moral codes develop under different survival

2:57:28

circumstances. And so Nietzsche searches history for the

2:57:32

survival circumstances that necessitated the development of

2:57:36

slave morality in the West, Nietzsche finds the slave

2:57:42

morality's roots in the Judeo Christian tradition in a

2:57:46

decisive set of events that occurred early in Jewish

2:57:49

history, the enslavement of the Jews in Egypt. The significant

2:57:54

result of the Jews being enslaved for a long time was the

2:57:58

development and internalization of a moral code suitable for

2:58:02

surviving slavery. Adam Curry: Oh, I never thought of Nietzsche in that context. In

2:58:08

what context? Yeah, of the the slavery of the Jews. Yeah.

2:58:13

Moe Factz: So basically, he thinks that religion is created

2:58:18

to explain why you're inferior. Makes a coping mechanism. They

2:58:27

say it like that, like I'm gonna I'm moral. That's why I'm this

2:58:32

way. Not I'm moral because I have to be moral because I

2:58:37

because I can't take on the Master. Adam Curry: Yeah, this is where Nietzsche loses me. But I

2:58:43

understand where he's coming from. What

2:58:45

Moe Factz: I'm not saying, like, I said, I'm not taking him at

2:58:49

anything other than the mind state of the people that's in

2:58:54

power. We have to get inside their head, you know, like your

2:58:59

God and my god, don't exist in them. I mean, like, seriously,

2:59:02

no, like, we're ruled by, you know what? We're gonna have to

2:59:06

answer later on. We're gonna have to answer to a higher

2:59:08

power. You know, that's why we're more, not only the real,

2:59:11

not the only reason, but you're saying it's more, it's win, win,

2:59:15

to be moral if you don't have that ruling you. And it's like

2:59:19

everything on Earth, is it? It was saying like this, this is

2:59:22

the game. That's a very that's a very scary mindset to deal with,

2:59:29

honestly to say, this is it so I can do whatever I want to here,

2:59:35

because there's no nothing to answer to afterwards. Are you

2:59:41

still there? Yeah, Adam Curry: I was thinking, I don't have anything. I have no

2:59:46

comment on it. It's I'm trying, I'm desperately trying, to look

2:59:53

at it from your perspective and

2:59:59

Moe Factz: and. What? It's not. It's not my perspective. Yeah,

3:00:02

it is. It Adam Curry: is it is. You have a lot more experience with

3:00:08

thinking this way. Moe Factz: All I'm saying is this is seek, first to

3:00:12

understand. I'll put myself in their shoes and say, You know

3:00:16

what? If I could go do all this bad stuff, and there's no really

3:00:21

one can stop me, and there's no higher power to answer to. Why

3:00:25

wouldn't I do it? Right? Adam Curry: But I guess where I'm coming from is there is a

3:00:28

higher power to answer to, yeah, and, and that's what I pray for.

3:00:34

That's what I pray for, the higher power steps in. No,

3:00:38

Moe Factz: no, I agree. Me, like I said, Me and you are more

3:00:41

aligned in thinking. But that's we can't allow that to be a

3:00:46

blind spot for us to think that they don't think like that. Oh

3:00:51

yeah, they don't. They have nobody in the attitude in their

3:00:55

mind, like, Hey, you were saying it, let it, let it roll, you