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Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. I'm

1:55

Elena. And I'm Tobias.

1:57

And this is a

1:59

very... special episode of

2:01

Morbid. This

2:19

is a very special episode of

2:21

orbit that we have been lightly

2:23

teasing for a few weeks. I'm

2:25

sure everybody's like, what the fuck

2:28

is going on? Who's coming on

2:30

this show lightly? Today we have

2:32

prolific songwriter and storyteller with 10

2:34

billion streams, which is astronomical. Five

2:37

Grammy nominations, American Music Awards, I-Hart

2:39

Radio Music Awards, and a vast

2:41

conk-the-gate. Thank you so much for

2:43

talking to us. This is awesome.

2:46

You've had, you just came off

2:48

of really in the last few

2:50

months, an epic tour, I would

2:52

say, is the great. Thank you

2:54

so much for talking to us.

2:56

This is awesome. You've had, you

2:59

just came off of really in

3:01

the last few months, an epic

3:03

tour, I would say, is the least

3:05

way we can describe it. It

3:07

was basically two years. Yeah, I guess

3:09

it's stretched over two years. I

3:12

don't remember exactly, but something like

3:14

that. Yeah, it's insane. You also just

3:16

put out the highest grossing hard rock

3:18

cinema event in North America. No big

3:21

deal. Casual? Yeah, very casual. You've

3:23

gone on kind of like a

3:25

media sabbatical in between, and you've

3:27

written an entire album. And you

3:29

also collaborated with Dark Horse Comics

3:31

to expand the whole ghost lore

3:33

with a four-issue comic book arc,

3:35

which is really cool. Are you

3:38

a vampire is our first question

3:40

or do you sleep? Considering the

3:42

fatigue I feel I'm apparently not

3:44

known. Let's put it this way.

3:46

I mean in last year when

3:49

I was working on on

3:51

the record simultaneous with the

3:53

film there were definitely

3:55

moments where I felt like clear

3:57

signs that big endeavors like

4:00

that are better handled singularly. I

4:02

don't remember, whatever you call it.

4:05

You do one thing at a

4:07

time. It's very hard to keep

4:09

focus. Somehow I managed to do

4:12

that, but it was definitely

4:14

hard. You know, the good thing about

4:16

the film was that a large

4:18

part of it was based on

4:21

footage that we'd already secured that

4:23

we'd already shot in LA. So

4:25

that was, you know, a good lion share

4:27

of the content, if you will.

4:29

you know sometimes with making records

4:32

or making making films you just

4:34

have to stay on script you

4:36

just yeah just do what we decided my

4:38

problem is that I don't really I

4:40

don't really work like that I'm I'm

4:43

sort of off the cuff do

4:45

improvising stuff and so it

4:47

any project will demand a lot of

4:49

my mental presence and acuity

4:51

which is fun when you've

4:53

done it but it can be

4:55

really tiresome and I've definitely sort

4:57

of Not to be ageist here,

4:59

but I'm sort of approaching that

5:01

age when I start feeling a

5:04

little bit of results when things

5:06

get a little bit too much.

5:08

That makes sense. But you know,

5:10

obviously it wasn't too much because

5:12

I'm here now. Yeah, you're doing okay.

5:14

I feel like it's working out. Yeah,

5:16

you know. I feel that though. I

5:18

literally if I do two book signings

5:21

and like a week. I'm like toast

5:23

for three weeks, so I have no

5:25

idea how you did two full years

5:27

of a tour and did all the

5:29

things you did afterwards. I would

5:31

be gone. Yeah, I don't know

5:33

what you answer to that. I

5:35

mean, but it's also the good

5:37

thing. This is the weird thing

5:40

about my job compared to, you

5:42

know, friends that I have had

5:44

that are just writing songs all

5:46

the time that might not have

5:48

much of an artistic career but

5:50

more just like writing and is

5:52

that they just go from one

5:54

creative to another and even though

5:56

I'm you know constantly creating to

5:58

a certain degree I also flip-flop

6:01

between a creative period

6:04

to a less creative

6:06

period that is the tour,

6:08

where you're creative

6:10

in the beginning, but it

6:13

is actually more of a,

6:15

dare I say, more of like

6:17

a normal job in the sense

6:19

that you show up in time and

6:22

you do a job and then

6:24

you're done. Yeah, right. The

6:26

creative work is done in

6:28

a sense. It's like the creative

6:30

part is like, I have to make

6:32

this whole thing. And then that's just

6:34

like, all right, let's go through the,

6:37

but we gotta do it now. Yeah,

6:39

that makes sense. Yeah. Well, before we

6:41

get to, we're gonna go fully into

6:43

what is next for ghosts, what has

6:45

happened. I had one quick little side

6:47

quest I needed to take you on

6:49

before we get into it. I don't

6:52

know if you have heard, but they

6:54

think that they have named Jack the

6:56

Ripper. If you think that they named

6:58

Jack the Ripper, tell me his

7:00

name. So you haven't, they think

7:02

it's Aaron Kosmanski. Okay.

7:05

No. I don't know if you've

7:07

ever, because I know you're like,

7:09

you're into the case, you've researched

7:11

the case obviously. Yes. Have you

7:13

heard of like the Catherine Edo

7:16

shawl that they claim was at

7:18

the crime scene? Yes. I know that

7:20

there is a, there is a DNA

7:22

question mark on that. Yeah.

7:24

There's a huge, for some reason it's

7:27

been everywhere that they are 100% sure

7:29

that this shawl is led to the

7:31

identity and they think it's Aaron Kosmanski.

7:33

And the reason I bring this up

7:35

is because a lot of our listeners

7:37

we did like a four episode, you

7:39

know, deep dive into Jack the Ripper

7:41

and I think I did, I was like

7:43

my, I couldn't stop researching it. So

7:45

of course I've been asked a million

7:47

times what I think of this whole

7:50

thing if they've really named him and

7:52

it's infuriating. Not people asking me, but the

7:54

fact that they're saying that this is 100%

7:56

Jack the River. But I needed to know

7:59

if you had. heard about it and

8:01

if you were like, oh yeah, it's

8:03

Aaron Cusmansky or if you were like, no. All

8:05

right, so I'm going to let Tobias

8:07

finish in a second, I promise, but

8:09

before I do that, I just need

8:11

to let you guys know that we

8:13

had very limited time with Tobias this

8:16

time around. So I really wanted to

8:18

make sure that you guys heard my

8:20

feelings on Jack the Ripper and I

8:22

didn't want to just like vomit them

8:24

all over to bias and use up all

8:26

our time. So here's the thing. I don't

8:28

think they have found Jack the

8:31

Ripper. Not one part of me

8:33

thinks it, in fact. There's many

8:35

reasons for that. The fact that

8:37

this has been a thing that

8:40

comes around every few years is

8:42

a big red flag to me

8:44

and it's the same person bringing

8:46

it around every few years and

8:49

not really updating any of the

8:51

actual info. That shaw that they're

8:53

claiming they're found at Catherine Edo's

8:55

crime scene. One. They have no way

8:57

of knowing that. The only way of knowing

9:00

that would be if it was among the

9:02

exhaustive list of her items that were found

9:04

on and around her at the crime

9:07

scene that is well documented and it

9:09

is nowhere. There is nowhere that says

9:11

there is like an eight foot long,

9:13

really expensive shawl that might actually even

9:15

be a table runner found on her

9:18

person. Nowhere. So if we don't have

9:20

that... Then how do we know that

9:22

this thing is hers and how do

9:24

we know that it was found at

9:27

the crime scene? Here's your answer. We

9:29

don't. So there's a big, giant hole

9:31

of doubt that has already been thrust

9:33

through this entire thing. I don't think

9:36

it was found at the crime scene.

9:38

I think she would have sold it

9:40

at one point. I don't think she

9:43

would have held on to that kind

9:45

of shell. I mean, there's all kinds

9:47

of stories of her selling shoes, you

9:49

know, I don't buy that one at

9:51

all. Furthermore, the story of this

9:54

whole thing is that Sergeant Amos

9:56

Simpson was the one who is

9:58

said to have taken this from

10:00

the crime scene a supposed blood-soaked

10:02

shawl he took from the crime

10:04

scene. One, that would have been

10:07

an immense risk to do that.

10:09

And two, I think we all

10:11

need to remember what I said

10:13

a thousand times during our Jack

10:15

the Ripper series. We can't really

10:18

comprehend how dark these crime scenes

10:20

were. There was no light. We're

10:22

going by kin and just brought

10:24

it home for his wife. I

10:27

don't buy that. Also, there's the

10:29

fact that Amos Simpson was a

10:31

metro cop. He was a metropolitan

10:34

police officer. Might or square where

10:36

Catherine Edos was found. That is

10:39

London PD jurisdiction. He has no

10:41

business being there. He has no

10:43

business at that crime scene. So

10:46

that gives me pause. The DNA.

10:48

We don't even know what it

10:50

is. It might be blood, it

10:52

might be semen. They have no

10:55

definitive answer for that. So that

10:57

100% match, I don't believe. They

10:59

don't even know what the actual

11:02

DNA source is for this. And

11:04

also, there is no evidence of

11:06

him leaving semen. at scenes. Of

11:09

course he can depart from his

11:11

pattern. Of course that's happened before.

11:13

I am fully willing to admit

11:16

that and I'm willing to accept

11:18

that if there's other pieces of evidence

11:20

along with it. But the fact that

11:22

he never did this and there was

11:24

never evidence of any classic sexual assault

11:26

or rape at any of these scenes,

11:28

it was really violence and mutilation.

11:31

It doesn't really fit with the

11:33

pattern. And once again, I'm willing

11:35

to admit that a pattern can

11:37

be broken if you give me

11:39

other evidence to tell me that

11:41

that's so. I just don't see

11:43

it here. The DNA itself, it's

11:45

mitochondrial DNA. That's what they're not

11:47

telling you in any of these

11:49

things. This is not straight up

11:51

DNA. This is mitochondrial DNA. It

11:53

can eliminate a suspect, but it

11:55

cannot identify a suspect. Absolute. Anyone

11:57

in the maternal line of this

11:59

DNA. can be thousands of people.

12:01

Thousands of people in London

12:03

can match this DNA. So

12:05

that's not good enough for

12:08

me. That's not identifying, that is

12:10

you can eliminate. And also, just

12:12

to put a pin on this,

12:14

the researcher who has put this

12:16

forward is Russell Edwards. He doesn't

12:18

have... a track record that I'm willing

12:20

to follow here, really. I will

12:22

of course give benefit of the

12:25

doubt if he can provide more

12:27

evidence, but he also claimed once

12:29

and so did his team that

12:31

they found a victim of Ian

12:33

Brady and Myra Henley that has

12:35

been missing for decades and decades.

12:37

Keith Bennett and his family has

12:39

been looking for his body on

12:41

those mores forever and hoping to

12:43

find his body on those mores. And

12:45

it was... really fucked up that his

12:48

team basically announced on social media that

12:50

they had found Keith Bennett and they

12:52

hadn't. So that upsets me, that makes

12:55

me question it. Of course, one massive

12:57

monumental mistake doesn't mean that you can

12:59

never do anything good in your life.

13:01

So if he can provide more evidence

13:04

that says this is a hundred percent

13:06

DNA match, which I don't believe he

13:08

can, that I'm willing to listen to

13:11

it. But no. Aaron Kosmanski

13:13

is not Jack the Ripper. I

13:16

am very interested in the subject

13:18

and I definitely don't think it

13:21

there. No. Okay, I'm glad you agree.

13:23

Because it's been driving me insane. Yeah,

13:25

Elena's been going down to rabbit hole

13:27

after rabbit hole. Every once in a

13:29

while I'll just yell out like another

13:32

thing that makes something like doesn't make

13:34

sense about this, but everybody's

13:36

running with it. But that is my

13:38

official statement right here and

13:40

Tobias four degrees. It is not

13:42

Aaron Cousins. Well, yeah, I think

13:45

I spoke about this last time

13:47

as well, is that the problem

13:49

with most of the names

13:51

that's been thrown around is

13:54

that what they all have

13:56

in common is that they

13:58

somehow have some. exotic

14:00

or, you know, weird treat

14:03

that makes them eccentric or

14:05

typically weird. It's interesting

14:07

how in this case, especially

14:09

now when we know so

14:11

much more about serial killers,

14:13

I don't blame people back

14:16

then to be sort of dumbfolded

14:18

and sort of screwing up

14:20

everything when it came to

14:23

the to the investigation, but

14:25

it's interesting how we now...

14:27

have a tendency to believe

14:30

that this case is

14:32

so different from every

14:34

other serial killer in

14:36

the history of serial

14:38

killer. We know now that

14:40

serial killers are not necessarily

14:44

an eccentric weirdo in

14:46

the collection openly and

14:49

have circus and you

14:51

know, know that they are

14:53

more likely to be like

14:55

perfectly functional

14:57

family men. Yeah, they

14:59

blend in. There's this

15:01

very interesting

15:04

reoccurring. It's

15:06

sort of part of

15:08

the mainframe of the

15:10

story that if you

15:12

believe in the limitation

15:14

of the canonical five,

15:16

that after Mary Kelly,

15:18

no one can do that that

15:21

number on another person.

15:23

physically could subject

15:26

someone to that ultra

15:28

violence without losing their

15:30

minds. Yeah, that's like a

15:33

very, aside that, yeah, like

15:35

since when, but does that

15:37

and way worse and then

15:39

they speak coherently and, yeah,

15:42

and go have dinner with

15:44

their family. So it's their kids

15:46

up from daycare. It's really

15:49

fascinating as as an

15:51

entrap. like a human social

15:53

experiment talking and listening

15:55

to theories about this

15:57

because yeah it's mired in such a

16:00

missed that and that for

16:02

some reason makes people sort

16:04

of completely unrealistic.

16:06

But you know I'm also

16:09

like just an amateur. I

16:11

don't know who did it. I

16:14

can't present you with facts

16:16

that and that's the

16:18

difference is you're saying I

16:20

don't know who did it. I don't

16:22

know who did it. Yeah, and same

16:25

I don't think any of us

16:27

do. This drives me, it's been

16:29

very widely reported as like

16:31

100% we figured out who did

16:33

it. Yeah, like full leafa. Like what?

16:35

This is from the 1800s. Well, let's

16:37

put this way then. It will

16:39

serve me well if people think it's

16:42

there in Kismitzki for for

16:44

some time. Yeah. So continue

16:46

thinking that. Okay, it's officially him.

16:48

Yeah, okay. 100%. Tobias is gonna

16:50

come mic drop later. There you

16:53

go. There's so many little things

16:55

about it, but I won't get

16:57

into it, because I can literally talk

16:59

about this for like six hours, and

17:01

you don't have that. So let's take

17:04

it back. We're going to talk about

17:06

the imperator, which again, you toured for

17:08

almost two years. It was seven legs.

17:10

We were out a few of them.

17:12

It was an amazing tour. Congrats on

17:14

that success, by the way. And again,

17:17

the stamina that it took to do

17:19

that. Thank you so much. You're. in

17:21

a flutter of like what's going to

17:23

happen and like what's what's next and

17:25

it was like a very it had

17:27

like it's on like mythos you could

17:29

hear like people talking about it and

17:32

everywhere you went about it so but

17:34

luckily we didn't have to wait too

17:36

long because you chronicled like you said

17:38

the final two performances of the tour

17:40

in the film right here right now

17:42

which again I just need to state

17:45

it's the highest grossing hard rock cinema

17:47

event North America which is a crazy

17:49

title to hold. But you ended that.

17:51

on the cliffhanger of all cliffhangers,

17:53

like right before revealing Papa Five.

17:56

One thing I have to ask you is

17:58

I was in one of those audiences. is

18:00

watching that film. And the first thing

18:02

I heard very clearly when the credits

18:04

rolled was someone behind me yell very

18:07

lovingly, fuck you to buy his forge,

18:09

like at the top of their lungs.

18:11

So mad, because they were like, what

18:13

the fuck? Did you feel audiences cursing

18:15

you at the end of that? Like,

18:18

did you know that people were going

18:20

to be like, no? I went to

18:22

the premiere here in London. I'm currently

18:24

in London. So I was here for

18:26

the premiere. So that was the first

18:28

time. I saw it with essentially a bunch

18:31

of strangers and there was this

18:33

murmur oh no one like there

18:35

was not like no cursing but

18:37

yeah there was definitely a

18:39

noise that's a grumble that went

18:42

through it's your gotcha moment is

18:44

such a good gotcha moment it's

18:46

your such a good gotcha moment

18:48

it's your such a good gotcha

18:50

moment it's your gotcha moment it's

18:53

your gotcha moment yeah yeah it

18:55

was like right up to it's

18:57

like right up to it's Yeah, then

18:59

it just closed the door. So

19:01

in that film, there's like a

19:03

lot of illusions to twins

19:05

and a lot of implications

19:07

that there's twins involved in

19:09

some other capacity than what

19:11

we've seen. Is there, can

19:14

you tell us anything about that

19:16

or should we just like shut

19:18

up and wait? Now it's easy, it's

19:20

more fun if you as a van, you

19:22

get to follow the story the way

19:24

that I've rolled it out with the

19:27

comic and onward. It's a

19:29

boring way to explain it,

19:31

but it's just better explain

19:33

that way. I'm fascinated, not in

19:35

like a mangla sort of way

19:37

about twins, but I think that

19:39

there is a, there is this,

19:41

I mean, obviously I do happen

19:43

to have two children who are

19:46

twins. Me too. But I think

19:48

that there is this fascination with,

19:50

especially when it comes to grown

19:52

up people who've been separated at

19:55

birth for this that or the

19:57

other reason. sometimes by

19:59

accident. sometimes by choice,

20:01

sometimes by, you know, force. More

20:03

than often, it's been a result

20:06

of, you know, girls who basically

20:08

couldn't take care of

20:10

their children and wasn't

20:13

at that point maybe equipped or

20:15

had the ability to take care

20:17

of children. So they had no

20:20

choice but to leave them up

20:22

for adoption. And, you know, there

20:24

are cases where they have felt

20:27

forced to give up one. And

20:29

I've always been fascinated

20:31

with, I don't know, the concept

20:33

of family ties and bloodlines and

20:35

all that. And I think that

20:38

that comes not necessarily from the

20:40

fact that I have twins myself,

20:42

but it comes from also from

20:45

the fact I have several adopted

20:47

siblings. And, you know, just

20:49

a few years ago, I did what

20:51

most people or a lot of

20:53

people do nowadays. You do the

20:55

ancestry and. you know you check your

20:58

DNA and then you get like

21:00

a whole slew of people that

21:02

you're related to all over

21:05

the place and you know dawned

21:07

on me pretty quickly that if

21:09

some of my siblings would do

21:11

that their thing is completely

21:13

different yeah that they they

21:16

belong to some other family

21:18

with their own background and

21:20

their own everything and I

21:22

really wished that they did in a

21:24

way but As far as I know

21:27

they haven't because it's it's it's

21:29

such a trauma for them I

21:31

yeah, oh yeah I can imagine so I

21:33

mean when I say the word

21:35

fascinating it's not always like from

21:38

a joyful it's it's from a

21:40

it's it's really affecting stuff

21:42

and and it really can do

21:44

a number on on someone when

21:47

you learn something about your

21:49

life and especially if you

21:51

feel that something that you believe

21:53

was true was all of a sudden

21:55

not true. In my family case, they

21:57

are very well aware that they are

21:59

adopted. So that is not a thing, but

22:01

I'm just saying that it's, it never

22:03

does it become more clear. And one

22:06

does the test and you know, you

22:08

can trace back and the other one to

22:10

you is like, oh, that's cool. Oh, look

22:12

at that. That's a surprise. And

22:14

that's like a relatively new thing

22:17

too. So I feel like that's

22:19

like a whole new generation of

22:21

people experiencing that like very specific

22:24

and very unique kind of trauma

22:26

sometimes. Because we didn't always have

22:28

these tests that we could just

22:31

like send away for and get

22:33

the results on your phone. So

22:35

it's very interesting. It's an interesting

22:37

concept and I think for the

22:40

most part it's a really good

22:42

thing. I do believe that simply

22:44

put knowing your history and I

22:46

found it to be very humbling to

22:48

be able to look at my family

22:51

tree and seeing all these people.

22:53

Obviously, most of them I couldn't

22:55

see photos of or I could

22:57

only see. names, but you know,

22:59

watching generation of

23:01

generation of people

23:03

struggling. And more than

23:05

often, especially when you go

23:08

back 100 years, and it's

23:10

common that you see, you know,

23:12

mom and dad that gets like

23:14

12 kids? Yeah. Out of six

23:17

of them die. It's wild. Like

23:19

a year, two years, three years.

23:21

And that was just normal. Back

23:23

then it was a completely normal

23:25

thing. For us, it's like, that's

23:27

a cataclysmic event. Oh, yeah.

23:30

You can't even have found them.

23:32

I'm not saying that they weren't

23:34

suffering, but I'm just saying that

23:36

it was like a completely different

23:38

time. And they spent very little

23:40

time wallowing in affairs and

23:43

worldwide. things that didn't bother

23:45

that that that wasn't directly

23:47

affecting them. And they just

23:49

kept head straight and they

23:51

worked and and they made sure

23:53

that the kids that survived

23:55

survived and and you know I

23:58

have a tremendous amount of respect,

24:00

what's the word, humility for

24:03

me? Like, all that work that was

24:05

put in in order for me

24:07

to sit here and talk shit.

24:09

That's a good way to look

24:11

at it, actually. Yeah. That's what

24:14

they did it for. So we

24:16

could sit here and talk shit.

24:18

Yeah, you know. Well, getting away

24:20

from the last tour and heading

24:22

into the future a little bit,

24:24

this album I was lucky enough

24:26

to listen to listen to it.

24:28

It's... this new album is it's

24:31

like a masterpiece I'm obsessed with

24:33

it I love it it might be I

24:35

think it's my favorite so far it's really

24:37

really I can't get over it I wanted

24:39

to like scream it from the

24:41

rooftops I really can't and I

24:44

know you're probably like oh that's

24:46

what you tell everyone it's not

24:48

she doesn't I really don't I

24:50

loved this one I loved it

24:52

immediately from the first note and

24:54

again like this album feels It's

24:56

just like a different feel to

24:58

it and it feels more personal

25:00

and a little more like introspective

25:02

like it just has a different

25:04

vibe to it a very good

25:06

different vibe. Can you tell us

25:08

a little bit about why if

25:10

I'm correct why you might have won

25:12

in that direction with this one?

25:15

Yeah, I simply put the the

25:17

previous record especially was

25:19

such a channeling of me

25:21

deciphering external influence. And I

25:24

felt that, even though I mean,

25:26

I'm super proud of Imperra, I

25:28

thought that that was the record

25:30

that I wanted to do

25:32

at the time, nothing wrong

25:34

with that. But I felt not

25:37

at all inspired to go back

25:39

and make a sequel to

25:41

that, like an impera too.

25:43

Even though, I mean, obviously

25:46

there's plenty of fodder if

25:48

you want to have continued

25:50

on that path. but just

25:53

felt that that's not inspiring

25:55

that's not it doesn't that

25:57

is simply not what I

25:59

need and therefore hence

26:02

I don't think

26:04

that that's what my

26:06

people are interested

26:09

in what I think feel

26:12

or need either. I'd rather

26:14

make a more introspective

26:18

record that deals

26:21

with evergreen feelings

26:24

and basic human

26:27

sentiments. and still

26:29

hope. It definitely comes across in

26:31

this one, like each one, I feel like

26:34

it's kind of like a little mini movie

26:36

that you can see in your head, and

26:38

it feels like there's sentiments in each one

26:40

that you can relate to on some level

26:43

and some part of your life, you know

26:45

what I mean? Like they all have that?

26:47

That's why this one like struck me

26:49

is so different, but it was different

26:51

in the best kind of way. I'm glad

26:54

you say that. I'm glad you say that.

26:56

you sketch out this little idea

26:58

that, oh, so this is a

27:00

thematic concept and these are a

27:02

few songs that I've been fiddling

27:05

with and it's it there's

27:07

always this process when

27:09

you're when you're practically putting

27:11

together a record and you

27:13

know, at the end of

27:15

the day, I mean, regardless

27:17

of what message that you want

27:20

to stay on point with, you

27:22

know, it still needs to be

27:24

like a entertaining. piece of work,

27:26

a piece of art that, you

27:28

know, with rhymes and new words.

27:30

And so there's so many hurdles

27:33

to go from like a

27:35

pure, pure, intuitive idea

27:37

to actually looking at

27:40

like 42 minutes

27:42

of qualitative entertainment.

27:44

Yeah, that was, I can't imagine that.

27:46

Yeah, having to boil it all down

27:48

to that. and making it like palatable.

27:51

Yeah, I mean, but that's that's what

27:53

I do. Yeah, I love that, but

27:55

it's definitely like, it's always a challenge.

27:57

Oh, I'm sure. Fun challenge, but it's

27:59

always. Especially when you're trying

28:01

to do thematic things. That's

28:03

why I'm, that's why sometimes I'm

28:06

also like using the theme as

28:08

like a, it's, that's a loose

28:10

direction that I've, that I've used

28:12

as a more originally most for

28:14

myself in order to sort of

28:16

stay on, on brand might be the

28:18

one. But stay on point, stay on,

28:20

stay on, stay focused. So I know

28:22

where not to go. Stay the course. Yeah.

28:24

Did you have a bit of a

28:27

different process writing the songs this time

28:29

around? No. No, same process. Same

28:31

process. All right. It's simply

28:33

because I don't, I don't

28:35

really have one go-to process.

28:37

So I was using the

28:40

same process sees. This is, I

28:42

think that this was the first

28:44

time, first record where I

28:46

worked with collaborators that I

28:49

worked only with collaborators

28:51

that I worked with quite a

28:53

lot before. I didn't have any

28:55

new, any new blood. So we were.

28:57

We were working with a certain

28:59

amount of rapport in background,

29:02

which was very comforting.

29:05

Because you trust the other

29:07

people, you trust them, you

29:09

know that we're working towards

29:11

the same goal and everybody

29:13

has, you know, the intent

29:15

of making everything as good

29:18

as possible. I know that no

29:20

one, who the hell would go

29:22

into a production. with the

29:24

opposite. You never know. That'd be

29:27

weird. You'd never know anymore. But

29:29

you definitely feel sometimes that someone

29:31

is phoning it in. And especially

29:33

if it's like a big production

29:35

with a lot of people and

29:38

obviously someone is there. Someone is

29:40

there because they're getting paid. So

29:42

and they're functional too. So that's

29:44

not a problem. But yeah. Nobody

29:47

was it was quite closely knit

29:49

and we were we were not

29:51

a like a big bunch of

29:53

people working on this one. And

29:56

you know as some of you

29:58

fans might know that we I.

30:00

basically have a little bit of

30:02

a divide between how I mean

30:05

we're working towards the same

30:07

goal and everybody has, you

30:09

know, the intent of making

30:11

everything as good as possible.

30:13

I know that no one, who the hell

30:15

would go into a production

30:17

with the opposite? You never

30:19

know. You just never know anymore.

30:21

But you definitely feel... sometimes

30:23

that someone is phoning it in.

30:26

And especially if it's like

30:28

a big production with a

30:30

lot of people and obviously

30:32

someone is there. Someone is there

30:35

because they're getting paid. So and

30:37

they're functional too. So that's not

30:39

a problem. But yeah, it was

30:41

it was quite closely knit and

30:43

we were not like a big

30:45

bunch of people working on this

30:47

one. And you know, as some

30:50

of you fans might know that

30:52

we, I. basically have a little

30:54

bit of a divide between how

30:56

I make the records and then

30:58

boom is performing on stage. And,

31:01

you know, across, you know, my

31:03

15 years career as this

31:05

band, I've experimented a little

31:07

bit with that, but I've

31:10

learned the hard way that

31:12

it's if you're not going

31:14

to use everyone, it's better

31:16

to use no one. Like

31:18

if not everybody's being called

31:20

in for their ability and

31:23

and their special gift. Anybody

31:25

who's excluded from that is

31:27

going to, they're going to take that

31:29

the wrong way. It's not going to

31:31

be great. Yeah, so it's just better.

31:34

I've just found it more comforting and

31:36

more more productive and nicer

31:38

to everybody to just work with

31:40

others. And then once we get the

31:43

band together, you know, then we haven't

31:45

nagged each other down, you know, without

31:47

the process of making a record, which

31:49

A lot of other bands do. You know,

31:52

once they road, they have already

31:54

been in the studio and, you know,

31:56

killing each other for a year. Oh yeah,

31:58

you hear about that. all the time.

32:01

Some of the greatest bands

32:03

like Fleetwood Mac wanted to

32:05

kill each other half the time.

32:07

Yeah. Making records, especially if

32:09

you are collaborating, it's very,

32:12

I don't have a better word.

32:14

It's an intimate process. I'm sure.

32:16

You know, it's a very, you have

32:18

to, you have to be very open

32:20

and, and, and daring. Well, and

32:22

it's kind of like you're letting

32:25

your own, like, personal journal, your

32:27

own diary, your own. giving it

32:29

to a bunch of people to

32:31

kind of help make into something

32:34

that everyone's going to listen to.

32:36

I can't imagine that. No, but it's

32:38

pretty much what you do. Of course,

32:40

when you've done it a couple times,

32:42

you don't, it's simply not a

32:44

part of your, it's kind of

32:47

like getting naked with someone you're

32:49

together with, like, it's not a

32:51

thing after a while that you're,

32:53

you know, and once you've started

32:55

writing with someone and it feels

32:58

good, it does. come more naturally.

33:00

You don't have that initial obstacle

33:02

of, you know, having to go shades

33:04

down. Well, and we, the

33:06

first single video for that

33:09

is coming out from this

33:11

album is Satanized. And it,

33:13

when this episode airs, it

33:15

has come out already. That

33:17

video is amazing, loved that

33:19

video. It is the first

33:21

reveal of Papa Five, Papa

33:23

Perpetua, and it's... a phenomenal

33:25

reveal at the end of

33:27

the video. I think Ash

33:29

actually filmed me watching it

33:31

for the first time and

33:33

I was like speechless and

33:36

I couldn't even form words.

33:38

I have a couple of

33:40

questions about that video and

33:43

again if you can't answer

33:45

just say absolutely not.

33:47

Is that you heavily heavily made

33:49

up as the priest? But the

33:52

point is not that it's me.

33:54

It's a point that it's a

33:56

priest. Yes. I want people to

33:58

focus on. It's a priest. Yeah. Yeah,

34:00

I mean, of course, I mean,

34:02

I understand that people will

34:04

sort of notice. It's, it's, it's,

34:07

it's good, good prosthetics,

34:09

but it's obviously not, to

34:12

the point where I'm completely

34:14

beyond. But the song itself

34:17

had, has a, so this is how

34:19

meta and weird ghost is

34:21

sometimes. Not that. The song

34:23

is written in eye form, eye perspective,

34:26

but on the record. Papa

34:28

the Fifth Perpetua is

34:31

singing, pretending to

34:33

be another character. Oh, I

34:35

think I'm right about my

34:37

theory. Elena has quite a

34:40

theory, and I think you

34:42

just confirmed it. Because

34:44

Papa the Fifth Perpetua

34:46

is a singer in a

34:48

band. So as any other band

34:51

who has songs that are

34:53

written in I form can

34:55

be about someone else.

34:57

They're not always about

34:59

their personal experience. They

35:02

the yeah them personally.

35:04

Oh, that's good to know. So

35:06

in the video a That a

35:09

problem sort of arose because

35:11

of this because we needed

35:13

My idea was for this

35:16

love stricken monk to go

35:18

through the hurdles of confusing

35:20

his infatuation with with

35:22

being possessed And of

35:24

course, his surroundings within

35:26

the monastery, of course

35:28

they, they confirm that.

35:31

The symptoms that he's

35:33

showing is clearly the sickness

35:35

of being assessed by a

35:37

demon and the cure for

35:39

this is, you know, exorcism

35:41

and repentance and all that. So,

35:43

technically, you know, it

35:45

was important that, okay, so I

35:48

mean, obviously I can't transform

35:50

into Papa. That becomes

35:52

really. That becomes really. or

35:54

in bad. So we needed

35:56

to have another character

35:59

coming in. So we

36:01

had this, this, he's a

36:03

Swedish actor. I don't know

36:05

if any one, you guys,

36:07

you recognize him. He was familiar,

36:09

but I couldn't, I

36:11

didn't know if it was just

36:14

because he has a very kind

36:16

face. His name is, I hope

36:18

I say this right

36:20

internationally, like David

36:22

Denchik. And he is,

36:24

he's been in all kinds of

36:26

stuff. Like he was in a

36:28

James Bond film. A

36:31

lot of Swedish and Scandinavian films.

36:33

I mean, he stars, he's

36:35

half, I think he's half Danish

36:38

or something. Oh, okay. So he's in

36:40

a lot of Danish films. Oh,

36:42

that's cool. So maybe it wasn't

36:44

just this kind of face. Like

36:46

a really, like, he's a very

36:48

talented actor, he's very well known

36:51

in Sweden, Denmark, Scandinavia.

36:53

Usually talented, very,

36:56

very nice. Lots of fun to work

36:58

with. So he really graced that

37:00

video with this, this, this,

37:03

this personality that I think

37:05

was needed, and which, which sort

37:07

of put me in a little

37:09

bit of a, you know, being

37:12

superfluous, which is fine. I don't,

37:14

I don't have to start or

37:16

anything, but somebody need

37:18

to be the priest. And

37:20

it's always interesting to

37:22

be. plain-assle. That must

37:25

be the most fun I

37:27

feel like. Absolutely. The villain

37:29

is always the most fun. If

37:31

I looked more like a like

37:34

a stereotypical sort

37:36

of strong angry man like

37:38

you know with all those features

37:40

you know how some men are

37:43

just like bad-ass. Yes. I

37:45

can't really play that, you know, you

37:47

know, what you're looking at right now

37:49

is me sort of having spent some

37:51

time being sick. I'm glad you're

37:54

feeling better, by the way. So I'm

37:56

sort of in home mode in the sort

37:58

of the whole boat. Look. It's cheap. But

38:00

you know when I'm clean shaven and

38:03

all I can't really scare people. And

38:05

sometimes as an actor, I'm as to whatever

38:07

extent I am an actor at some point.

38:09

I would say so. You just have to

38:11

live with the fact that you're you know

38:13

what your look is is sort of got

38:15

to work with it. You can play with

38:17

that's what you can play with. I had

38:19

to do to screw him up with a

38:21

with some sort of feature that gave him

38:24

a little bit more of a character. I

38:26

loved it. I'm so glad you confirmed

38:28

it for me because it was driving

38:30

me insane. I've been saying it in

38:32

here. I'm like, am I just like

38:34

looking for things that aren't there or

38:37

like am I going crazy now? But

38:39

in the same in that same video,

38:41

because we've, you know, I had to

38:43

analyze it a million times, there Corinthians

38:45

619 flashes across the screen, it's in

38:47

the little notebook, it's definitely like right

38:50

there, and in case Anybody didn't immediately

38:52

look at that verse in the Bible?

38:54

I did not know what that verse

38:57

was at first, because I'm not super

38:59

up on my biblical verses.

39:01

Now, before this interview, I think

39:03

I'm like an expert on the

39:05

book of revelations, by the way.

39:07

I'm telling everybody stories about it.

39:09

Elena's held her own Bible study

39:11

now. I have, so I know

39:13

all about it. But Corinthians is

39:15

basically touching upon, like, sexual immorality.

39:17

It's when Paul went to the

39:19

Corinthians and told them, you know,

39:22

stop being so loose with your

39:24

business. And the Corinthians were like,

39:26

well, why does it matter? This

39:28

body doesn't go with me when

39:30

I leave. So like, it doesn't

39:32

matter what I do with it.

39:34

And he's like, no, it's a

39:36

temple for God. And you're sullying

39:38

it with your reckless, you know,

39:41

sexy time. So that's the story

39:43

there in a very loose form,

39:45

obviously. Showing some clogged ankle for

39:47

a minute loved her. I thought

39:49

she her facial expressions are so

39:51

good And it's even it's part

39:54

of the video. It's part of

39:56

everything for this and There's another

39:58

song. I won't name it because it's obviously

40:00

not really not out yet that I listened

40:03

to on the album that definitely had some

40:05

like spiciness in it I would say so

40:07

it had like a similar theme of this

40:09

but I wanted to know if that kind

40:11

of theme plays like a bigger role at

40:14

all in the thematic arch of the album

40:16

as a whole or if it's just kind

40:18

of like just a part of something bigger

40:20

you mean book of revelations or

40:22

the Corinthians or the Corinthians I would

40:25

say like that whole like sexual

40:27

and morality thing this is I

40:29

mean no This was specific

40:31

to this song. Okay. Just

40:34

because in that specific verse,

40:36

I can't paraphrase it in

40:38

English exactly what it says,

40:40

but it's somewhere along the

40:42

lines of keep your body

40:44

clean because at the end

40:46

of the day, you know, it

40:49

belongs to GON. Yeah. And in

40:51

the context of the song

40:53

and the meaning of the video,

40:56

I think it's fairly

40:58

poignant and on... on point

41:00

to this misconception

41:02

that anybody who's

41:05

love-stricken is somehow opening

41:07

themselves up to

41:09

destroying their bond and

41:12

their covenant with God.

41:14

A higher being? Which

41:16

is completely wild. I'm

41:18

fathomable. Truly. And what

41:20

is, and again you might

41:22

not be able to answer

41:24

this, but in the notebook.

41:26

We were looking at the things that

41:29

were written in there because they

41:31

were funny in the music video.

41:33

And there's something that's crossed out.

41:36

Can you tell us what that said?

41:38

Because I think next to it

41:40

it says like idiot. I think

41:42

the first thing that was crossed

41:44

out was masturbate question mark.

41:46

Yeah, that was definitely

41:48

one. And obviously he didn't

41:50

want to suggest that. And then

41:53

it's, was it suicide? Oh, that's what

41:55

it was. That's not great. He didn't want

41:57

to suggest that. Maybe he was starting going.

42:00

through the Bible versus there

42:02

and he landed on two

42:04

Corinthians and anybody who

42:07

knows current history knows

42:09

that two Corinthians does

42:11

not exist. It's second

42:14

Corinthians. But when you pose

42:16

with the Bible and try

42:18

to trick your followers that

42:20

you have any clue what you're

42:23

talking about. And you say

42:25

that you have any clue

42:27

what you're talking about. It

42:29

does. So that was a little bit

42:31

of a little nod and Easter egg

42:34

there. A little wink. I like that.

42:36

All right, I'm glad we know what that

42:38

is now. It was driving us

42:40

nuts. We're like, what does that

42:42

say? It has an S in

42:45

the beginning. So quick little like

42:47

side question. Have you ever seen

42:49

the Devils with Oliver Reed and

42:51

Vanessa Redgrave? I don't know off the

42:53

top of my head. You should watch it.

42:55

I believe that this is a quite old

42:57

film, right? It is. And it was

43:00

like banned, but I think like the

43:02

W, like Warner Brothers wouldn't release it

43:04

again. So it's one of those things

43:06

you have to go looking for. Yeah,

43:09

yeah. Yeah. I don't remember. I vaguely

43:11

have it in the back of my

43:13

head. I think I know which

43:15

film it is. Sometimes I

43:18

do have a problem remembering

43:20

or simply detecting which which

43:23

which film. someone is referring

43:25

to because even though in

43:28

Sweden we don't dub films

43:30

we have other titles for

43:32

the films. Oh okay. Which

43:35

is too too too much

43:37

ridicule and and the laughings

43:40

of my band members band

43:42

that I'm traveling

43:44

with because they have

43:46

picked up on this anomaly

43:49

in Swedish cinema. I kind

43:51

of love that. So sometimes

43:54

I get the question like,

43:56

what's this call in in

43:59

Swedish? So. So, like, simple,

44:01

simple, old school

44:03

things. It's like, jaws

44:05

is called hyen, and

44:07

that means the shark.

44:09

Yeah, and, you know,

44:11

towering Inferno is Huiscropan

44:14

Brina, and that means

44:16

the skyscraper is on fire.

44:18

I'm obsessed with that.

44:21

That one's awesome. You know,

44:23

over the course of touring, and

44:25

you said, a pair for a

44:28

dad. A pair? It's parontilfasha.

44:32

So that means like

44:34

a pair as in the fruit?

44:36

Oh, like a, yeah. I thought

44:38

you meant a pair. A pair

44:40

for a dad. Huh.

44:43

celebrating Christmas. A pair

44:45

for a dad on

44:47

a European vacation. You know? Why

44:50

is there a pair? So when I

44:52

say, if I tell, if I

44:54

ask anyone in Sweden, like, have

44:57

you seen National Influence European Vacation?

44:59

They'd be like, they would most

45:02

likely not know what I'm talking

45:04

about. They're like, is that the

45:06

one with the pair? With the

45:08

pair you're talking about? With the

45:11

pair you're talking about? With the

45:13

pair you're talking about? With the

45:15

pair you're working produced and

45:17

directed by Ken Russell. Yeah,

45:20

it's when I'm going to check

45:22

it. Vanessa Redgrave. Yeah, and

45:24

all of her reads. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

45:26

yeah. Oh, this rings a bell.

45:28

Because as soon as I

45:30

watch the Satanize video, for

45:32

some reason, that movie just

45:34

kind of like popped in

45:36

my head and I was

45:38

like, huh, I got out.

45:40

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So

45:42

moving away from the Satanize

45:45

video, we have a couple

45:47

of like kind of random

45:49

questions for you. very random

45:51

things. So I'm sure you

45:53

know this that you grew

45:55

up in Sweden. Is there

45:57

any folklore or tales that

45:59

you heard? growing up that

46:01

you think maybe shaped how

46:03

you approach music or just

46:05

creating cool shit? Yeah,

46:07

I mean, obviously I, my

46:09

music for, for almost forever,

46:11

I mean, as soon as

46:13

I started writing songs, especially

46:16

for bands and stuff, it

46:18

was always driven by a

46:20

certain level of supernatural presence,

46:23

if you will, because, you

46:25

know, I started writing songs

46:28

for. for like, especially metal

46:30

and death metal and stuff

46:32

like that. So of course there's

46:35

this supernatural horror

46:37

element and then that just

46:39

sort of continued even through

46:41

my sort of interwall

46:43

bands where it was still

46:45

sort of darkish and now

46:47

obviously it's influenced by

46:49

that too or at least wrapped in

46:52

a in some sort of wrapping that

46:54

supposed to or a risk. So of

46:56

course. I think that Scandinavian

46:59

folklore had, I don't know

47:01

how it is nowadays because

47:04

I'm obviously not a child now

47:06

and I do have children though,

47:08

so I'm not sure if they, I'm

47:11

not sure that they have sort

47:13

of dealt with with the same

47:15

fairy tale, you know, murkiness

47:17

that even when I was

47:20

a kid and in Scandinavian

47:22

folklore is a lot about.

47:24

trolls and stream going through

47:27

the the city and it's like

47:29

a built stream it and it's

47:31

it's in the form of sort

47:33

of a city park if you

47:35

will it's not just sort of

47:37

licking between the show

47:40

now obviously it's influenced

47:42

by that too or at least wrapped

47:44

in a in some sort of

47:46

wrapping that supposed to or a

47:49

risk. So of course I

47:51

think that Scandinavian folklore

47:53

had I don't know how it

47:56

is nowadays because I'm obviously

47:58

not a child now and I am I

48:00

do have children though, so

48:02

I'm not sure if they, I'm

48:04

not sure that they have sort

48:06

of dealt with with the same

48:09

fairy tale, you know,

48:11

murkiness that even when

48:13

I was a kid

48:15

and in Scandinavian folklore

48:17

is a lot about trolls

48:19

and various creatures

48:21

that live in the forest.

48:23

Yeah. Where I grew up

48:25

in in Shepping, we had

48:27

I mean, anybody traveling to

48:29

Lynn Shepping or anybody who's

48:32

ever been there knows that

48:34

there's a, there's a stream going

48:36

through the city, and it's like

48:38

a built stream, and it's in

48:40

the form of sort of a

48:42

city park, if you will. It's

48:44

not just sort of licking

48:46

between the houses. It's like

48:49

a long, long park that

48:51

goes through the town. And

48:53

because it's part of a

48:55

system called Yata Kanal. a

48:57

channel, it's a jointed where

48:59

my kindergarten was. It's still

49:01

there, it's still a functioning

49:03

inner garden, like a daycare

49:06

place. It was really nice

49:08

because we had it, it

49:10

was sitting right next to

49:13

very near the stream. So there

49:15

was like a huge park, like a

49:17

big park right next to where we

49:19

were and we had the sluice, you

49:22

know, where old wooden boats would come

49:24

and they would, you know, fill water

49:26

up and but there was also

49:28

like a waterfall there. It's

49:30

actually a pretty beautiful place.

49:32

If anybody travels to the

49:35

and shopping at some point,

49:37

go down to Hawaii. It's called

49:39

Hawaii because it's like a

49:41

little peninsula where it's cool.

49:43

Me and my friends and

49:45

everybody we know would go

49:47

with six packs and get. We

49:50

all have that one place. Not

49:52

when you were in kindergarten. It's

49:54

later. Not when I was

49:56

in kindergarten. But anyway, and

49:59

there's this. character in Swedish

50:01

folklore are called Mecken. And he is

50:03

like a naked man sitting. That's scary. And by

50:05

the water, in a waterfall or where the water

50:07

streams down downstream. And he would sit there and

50:09

play fiddle naked. And if you ever hear him,

50:11

you will be enchanted by his playing and you

50:14

will, and he will lure you and he will

50:16

lure you and he will drown you. And he will

50:18

drown you. And he will drown you. And he will

50:20

drown you. And he will drown you. And he will

50:22

drown you. And he will drown you will drown you.

50:24

And he will drown you. And he will drown you.

50:26

And he will drown you. And he will drown you.

50:28

Oh, that got dark so fast. I was

50:30

like, all right, sounds cool, like this

50:32

guy. Yeah. And then I was like, oh,

50:35

shit. I like the fiddle music. And

50:37

I was little, and you know, and

50:39

we were down there playing, you couldn't

50:41

help but to sort of think that

50:44

if there was such a thing as neckin,

50:46

he would probably sit right over

50:48

there. Sounds like it. Because that

50:50

is a typical neckin place to

50:52

sit. Yeah. Why not? If we

50:54

know anything about neck about neckin.

50:56

That's great. So, Tobias, we told

50:59

you at the beginning of the

51:01

episode that we had a very

51:03

special guest who wanted to come

51:05

in and just congratulate you and

51:07

say, hey. So, if you want,

51:09

we can let them in now, if that's

51:11

good. No, of course, who is it,

51:13

please? I'm very nearly here. He's here.

51:16

Welcome to the show, Doug Bradley. Hi,

51:18

Tovia. Hey, man. How are you? How are you?

51:20

I'm very well. How are you? Good,

51:22

I'm doing fine, doing just fine. It's

51:25

been a while. COVID kept getting in

51:27

the way, huh? Yeah, have we not

51:29

seen each other since then? I

51:31

think at the Peterson, they wouldn't

51:34

let us backstage. And then I

51:36

think, I think the last

51:38

one, you needed to kind

51:40

of voice preservation, energy preservation.

51:42

Yeah, I remember that now.

51:44

You didn't need annoying groupies.

51:46

Exactly. No, I'm, and I

51:48

might have been. Also disturbed

51:50

by do you still have that

51:53

Insect infestation in Pittsburgh?

51:56

Oh, that was crazy. Which one

51:58

we had we had the sting?

52:00

bugs. Ugh. Then that was followed

52:02

by the the spotted lantern flies.

52:04

Oh, even worse. That was what

52:06

I was referring to. But I

52:09

just wanted it conclusively. I would

52:11

just want to say we are

52:13

coming to Pittsburgh. You are. Yeah,

52:16

this summer. So I'm looking forward

52:18

to see both of you then. Yeah,

52:20

we already have our tickets. We will

52:23

be there. Yeah. We'll all be there. We'll

52:25

meet up some bugless place.

52:27

Congratulations on the movie. Thank

52:30

you. Thank you so much.

52:32

Which was terrific. And so

52:34

the tour upcoming, you could

52:37

lay claim to being the

52:39

hardest working man in show

52:41

business, I think. I think so.

52:43

I try to put my miles on.

52:46

But it's... I think it will

52:48

be 10 years this year since

52:50

we first saw you. Is it?

52:52

How some news? Dallas, I

52:54

think, 2015, was it? Damn.

52:56

Fourteen. I'm losing. Okay. Eleven

52:58

years. Look at that. Yeah.

53:01

I bet they're gonna go.

53:03

You just happened to step

53:05

in on the one night

53:07

when we didn't do that.

53:09

Elena, congratulations on the novel.

53:12

Oh, thank you so much.

53:14

Hugely. Thank you. With a

53:16

plot twist for the agent.

53:19

You'd not see coming. Thank

53:21

you so much. I mean that I was

53:23

literally a kind of, what? That

53:25

was the plan. So I'm glad

53:27

it worked. I haven't cleared the

53:30

decks for the sequel. It's coming.

53:32

The third one's coming, so get

53:34

ready. Is that right? And do you

53:36

stop at a trilogy or do

53:39

you just? I'll keep going. Probably

53:41

you'll get some more. I

53:43

didn't graduate you on anything

53:45

Ash, but... That's okay. I

53:47

just exist. Congratulations for being

53:49

wonderful. Oh, thank you. Back at you, Doug. Look

53:51

at the love here. This was so amazing and it

53:54

was so amazing to have Doug come in as a

53:56

surprise guest. We wanted to give you that at the

53:58

end. I know. It would be fun. I love

54:00

Doug so much. Thank you for coming,

54:02

Doug. We love Tobias, we love Doug,

54:05

it's just all love here. And just

54:07

to wrap it up, the album comes

54:09

out on April 25th, it's incredible, everybody

54:11

go get it, because you won't be

54:14

disappointed. The single for Satanized and the

54:16

Sister and Pirateer comic are available now

54:18

when this episode comes out. You can

54:21

access all the above plus some really

54:23

sick March on ghost dash official.com, and

54:25

I encourage you to do it. Tobias,

54:28

you're amazing. We're huge fans. We'll stick

54:30

with you. Can't wait to see you

54:32

on tour. We'll be at a couple

54:34

of the days. And thank you

54:37

so much. Thank you so much

54:39

for coming on. We really, really

54:41

appreciate it. Thank you. And we

54:44

hope you guys keep listening.

54:46

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54:48

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