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Hello listeners. While colleges
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revered as a beacon of
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integrity and excellence, and a
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place where history often begins,
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sometimes that history is deliberately
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hidden. Each week on campus
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files, we dig into the
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archives to reveal the complicated
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and often overlooked reality of
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life across American colleges and
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universities. From admissions to sports
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to Greek life, Each episode
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of Campus Files
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tells the origin
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story of a
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scandal woven into
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the fabric of the
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institution's legacy.
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These are the stories
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you won't hear on
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the campus tours.
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Enjoy this preview
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and be sure to
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check out Campus Files
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wherever you get your
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podcasts. segregation to Mara
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and segregation forever. The
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University of Alabama is the site
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of one of the most famous
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moments in the history of
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the Civil Rights era. In
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1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace
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defiantly stood in the
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doorway of the University Auditorium.
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He was symbolically trying to
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block black students from
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desegregating the university
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the university. As Governor
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and Chief Magistrate of the State
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of Alabama, I deem it
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to be my solemn obligation in
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duty to stand before you, representing
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the rights and sovereignty of
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this state and its people.
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Despite George Wallace's attempts,
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the black students ultimately
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enrolled and made history. Fast
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forward 50 years, and history was
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set to be made again at
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the University of Alabama, this
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time in the sorority system. because
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at the start of 2013,
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during Abby's senior year, There
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was buzz around campus about
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a standout candidate for sorority
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recruitment. Her name was Kennedy
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and she was black. Abby
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says that Kennedy had everything
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sororities at Alabama typically looked
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for. A 4.3 GPA salutatorian
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of her high school class
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and her grandfather was a
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prominent Alabama judge who even
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served on the University Board
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of Trustees. Everyone's like this
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girl. She is well connected.
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She has these great grades.
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People in Tuscaloosa love her.
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She has a bunch of
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friends in the sororities. The
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student paper, The Crimson White,
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was gearing up to write
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a story about Kennedy's acceptance.
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It was expected to be
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this like celebratory story. Everyone's
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like, this is going to
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be a big deal. She's
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going to be the girl
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that changes things. The Crimson
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White even had a photographer
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ready to capture the moment
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on bid day. The day
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when sororities extend invitations or
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bids to freshmen, bid day
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is a big deal. All
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the families come out and
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everyone's cheering for the girls
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that are running to each
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house and boys and fraternities
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are handing them flowers. It's
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a community social thing to
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be celebrated. But bid day
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2013 didn't bring the anticipated
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celebration. Because Kennedy didn't get
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a bid from a single
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one of the 16 sororities.
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Everyone was just really surprised
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and people were whispering like,
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wow, something definitely happened. Abby
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had since dropped out of
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her sorority Alpha Gamma Delta,
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so she wasn't in the
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loop about what had happened.
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She started reaching out to
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a few old sorority sisters,
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but no one was willing
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to talk to the paper.
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Then she remembered a girl
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in the sorority named Melanie.
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She was one of the
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few... out of state girls
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in our pledge class. She
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was from Texas. You don't
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think of bastion of liberal ideas
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Texas, but she grew up in
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a city. And so she came
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not caring about the social dues
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and don'ts or the proper etiquette
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stuff. And I was like, well,
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if there was someone in that
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house who had something to say
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about it would have probably been
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her. Abby was right. Melanie was
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willing to talk, and she shared
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everything that had gone down in
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Alpha Gamma Delta. She said the
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first round of rush had gone
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as usual. Two days of nonstop
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conversations with freshmen. But then, things
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got strange. The Alpha Gamma sisters
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were supposed to vote on which
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freshmen to invite back for the
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next round. But that's when they
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heard from their alumni that there
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would be no vote. The alumni
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had already decided who would be
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invited who would be invited back.
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As odd as it may seem,
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it's not unusual for sorority alumni,
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often middle-aged women, to have a
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say in which girls get bids.
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But in this case, the alumni
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have decided to eliminate Kennedy without
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the usual discussion and input from
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the current sorority members. Here's Melanie.
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I'm a senior at this point.
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I don't, like, we're very low
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involvement in the rush process. So
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I'm like very not involved but
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I live in the house at
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this time so I'm hanging out
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at the house and there's like
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girls crying and just like really
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upset and this one girl I'm
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close with that's younger was like
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did you hear like you know
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there's like this girl that everyone
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wants this black girl and like
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they're not taking because she's black
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like they're automatically mixing her and
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everyone's like isn't that crazy and
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it's not going to be talked
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about so I'm like getting fired
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up. That evening alumni
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held a meeting with the sorority
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members to discuss the next round
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of rush at first the conversation
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carefully sidestepped the elephant in the
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room. They don't want this to
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be discussed. They just are kind
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of like moving things along and
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they're like okay and we're gonna
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do this and this and you
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know this wraps up a great
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day and I was like are
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we not going to talk about
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the black girl that everyone has
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been talking about in the house
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all day? The room fell silent
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until one of the alumni finally
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spoke up. She claimed that Kennedy
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had received a so-called negative letter
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of recommendation. Meaning that somebody wrote
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a letter saying, you know, this
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girl is not good for your
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sorority. She did something bad. She's
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in bad news, something like that,
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which is just like a lie,
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or she wrote it, or someone
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wrote it because they didn't want
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a black woman in the sorority.
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One by one, women in the
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sorority began advocating for Kennedy. So
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then like all these girls start
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speaking up and like saying all
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these things like you know We
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would love to be the first
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who already have a black woman.
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We would like stand up for
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her You know if fraternities didn't
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want to have parties with us
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because that was always a big
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concern You know we wouldn't want
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to have parties with that fraternity
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anyways, but it just it kept
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going and going and going and
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it was going nowhere and at
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the end of the day like
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the alumni older women were the
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ones that handled the paperwork and
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like send it in so there's
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really nothing we could do. When
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bid day came around, Melanie found
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out that Kennedy had been dropped
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from every other sorority as well.
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She says she wasn't necessarily shocked
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given the culture at Alabama. There's
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just a general feel of like
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the old South. You would drive
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by some of the fraternity houses.
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They have a giant Confederate flag
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hanging in a window. here people
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actually say the n-word in a
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way that isn't like in a
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rap song or something like it
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could be a very scary place
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for a black person and I
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remember bringing a friend from high
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school that was black to visit
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and I was like honestly nervous
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for her to like come into
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the sorority because it was entirely
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white women and black women were
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the women that served food to
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us and it's just like I
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was just worried for how she
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would feel. But there was still
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a part of Melanie that had
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wanted to believe the sorority system
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was above all that. up until
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that moment. I think that most
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people wanted to believe it wasn't
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because they were black that they
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weren't getting in. It was just
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because like they didn't have a
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mother, a great grandmother that went
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there, they didn't have close friends
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that were in the sorority. Like
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there were other reasons that they
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weren't getting in, but this particular
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situation, it was so black and
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white that it was because it
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was the color of her skin,
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because she had every other criteria
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to get in than that, that
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it was like hard to shy
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away from at this point. It
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turned out that what had happened
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in Alpha Gamma Delta wasn't unique.
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Through conversations with women and various
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sororities, Abby and her co-writer learned
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that alumni in several chapters had
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similarly intervened to block Kennedy's admission.
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Some alumni even threatened to pull
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financial support if she were accepted.
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But in a few sororities. It
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was the undergraduate women who opposed
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admitting Kennedy. They worried that fraternities
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would stop socializing with them if
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they welcomed a black woman. Abby
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and her co-writer weren't all that
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surprised by what they were hearing.
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But what did surprise them was
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that sorority members were actually willing
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to talk to the paper. Here's
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Abby. Media training is a part
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of being in a sorority. It's
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very prone upon to talk about...
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what happens on the inside of
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sororities and fraternities and no one
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likes to be a squeak. he
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will. The Crimson White's previous articles
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about segregation in Greek life didn't
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have any inside sources and the
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articles weren't taken seriously as a
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result. So many people had written
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stuff about Greek life, be it,
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the racism, the hazing, all of
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that, but everything was able to
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be kind of chalked up to
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just jealous or like they don't
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know what it's like, but this
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story... had people within the system
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calling it out. To clarify, these
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sorority members were speaking to the
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paper on the condition of anonymity,
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but it was still a historic
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first, and the story was almost
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guaranteed to attract attention as a
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result. Remember I talked to my
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dad who was in a fraternity
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at Alabama. He was worried for
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me, like genuinely worried. I'm pretty
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sure he made a joke about
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someone's gonna come burning across in
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your front yard or something. But
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it was more just like pissing
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people off for messing things with
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how the way things were and
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putting campus in a bad spotlight.
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The story was threatening enough that
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the night before publication, Abby and
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her co-writer received a call from
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a fraternity member. He offered to
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pay them off to suppress the
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story. Name your price, he said.
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That same night, Abby got another
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unexpected message. This time, from Melanie.
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I was keeping her updated on
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when it was going to publish,
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and the night before it published,
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I was like, it's going to
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publish tomorrow, and then she texted
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me back, put my name on
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that shit. Meaning, Melanie was willing
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to go on the record. She
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wanted her name included in the
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article. She was really brave for
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