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Well, 19 years later, believe it

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or not, we are still talking about

3:27

Harry Potter casting news. And

3:29

Warner Brothers finally officially

3:31

announced the first six

3:33

Harry Potter TV show

3:35

cast members. Now, four

3:38

of them we already knew about. John

3:40

Lithgal, who has made it

3:42

no secret that he is playing

3:44

Dumbledore in recent weeks, was

3:46

confirmed, as was Janet McTeer. She'll

3:48

play McGonagall. Papa Essia Dew

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will play Snape, and Nick Frost

3:53

will play Hagrid. There

3:55

were two more cast announcements.

3:57

We had... no rumors

3:59

about, Luke Thalin will play

4:01

Quirrell and Paul Whitehouse

4:03

will play Argus Filch. Luke

4:06

Thalin, only 29 years old,

4:08

he's a little younger than when

4:10

Ian Hart portrayed Quirrell in

4:12

the movie. Luke Thalin also a

4:14

bit of a unknown. He's

4:17

only had roles in theater,

4:19

hasn't really had any on -screen

4:21

roles. It seems really cool. What

4:23

I love about sort of

4:25

the youth and the other characters

4:27

that we're now getting is

4:30

obviously this is Hagrid, McGonagall, Dumbledore

4:32

there for the whole series.

4:34

Quirrell is a character just in

4:36

the first book. And

4:38

so now we're kind of able to

4:40

look at who are the characters that

4:42

are going to flesh out the world

4:44

within the confines of this story of

4:47

this year. And we can start to

4:49

see how the Season

4:51

will take shape, not just how the

4:53

series will take shape, if that

4:55

makes sense. If I'm Paul

4:57

Fallon, I'm like, oh, my God, I

4:59

got cast in the Harry Potter

5:01

TV show. Oh, it's just the first

5:03

season. Oh, bummer. But there are

5:05

no small parts. You got to make

5:07

it your own. He actually has

5:09

more time, maybe four or five times

5:11

more time than Ian Hart did

5:14

to make a lasting, coral impression. That's

5:16

true. It's got to set

5:18

the tone. Right? This is the

5:20

first adaptation, and Quarrel gets

5:22

a reference in this chapter that

5:24

we're about to delve into in

5:26

order to Phoenix. Yeah. Plus,

5:29

it's our first connection to Voldemort,

5:31

the man who's actively trying to kill

5:33

a baby still. Now, that's

5:35

going to be interesting, though, to

5:38

see who gets cast as Voldemort. Yeah.

5:40

Who fits well on the back

5:42

of Luke Thallen's head? And will

5:44

that... be different than who gets

5:47

cast as Voldemort in Goblet of

5:49

Fire. Oh, that's a good

5:51

question. They're going to go ahead and

5:53

cast Voldemort the whole way through. That

5:55

would be wild. Yeah, like, oh, we'll

5:57

see you again in three years when

5:59

we shoot season four of the Harry

6:02

Potter TV show. Or maybe they can

6:04

include Voldemort in movies two and three

6:06

with like, I don't know, we get

6:08

some behind the scenes looks at. I

6:11

don't know, pedigree working with them or something

6:13

like that. That could be cool. Yeah. Yeah.

6:16

We'll have to see. Why not

6:18

seven? Why did we go with six? Well,

6:21

I thought the same. The

6:23

seventh one better be Peeves the poltergeist.

6:25

That is who I want to know.

6:27

Not even that I care who is

6:29

getting cast. I'm sure they'll do a

6:31

great job. But I want to know

6:33

that that character is in the movies

6:35

because if you I think it's the

6:37

natural progression, if you're not going to

6:39

tell us about the kids. Who's the

6:41

next most important character in the first

6:44

book? It's Baves. I'm sure they have

6:46

a seventh cast member already locked in.

6:48

They could have thrown into this announcement

6:50

to your point, Micah. Make a beautiful

6:52

round. Seven person casting announcement.

6:54

Paul Whitehouse, I mentioned he's going to

6:56

play Argus Felch. He's got the

6:58

Felch look. No doubt about that. He's

7:01

had a lengthy film career, but

7:03

get this, he actually played Sir Cadigan

7:05

in the Prisoner of Azkaban movie. He

7:08

had a little cameo in

7:10

a portrait. So this

7:12

is kind of our first Harry Potter

7:14

movie to TV show actor crossover. I

7:16

thought that was kind of fun. If

7:19

you had money on Sir Cadigan, you

7:21

just made bank. He

7:23

would not have been at the top

7:25

of my list as far as movie to

7:27

TV crossover. Yeah, switching roles

7:29

too. It'll be interesting to see if

7:32

any other, because obviously there are so

7:34

many, well, children and adult actors in

7:36

the Harry Potter movies. Are we going

7:38

to see any other crossovers? Didn't

7:41

Jason Isaac say he wanted to

7:43

play Lily Potter or something like

7:46

that? Was

7:50

it cut? Was that Sir Catigan

7:52

cameo cut? Kyle saying it was

7:54

cut. I think so. I seem

7:56

to remember going through the deleted

7:58

scenes for that DVD and it's

8:00

like a minute long clip of

8:02

the night brandishiness. Okay. Well, that

8:04

makes it even more interesting. It's

8:06

almost like he got a second

8:08

chance at appearing in a Harry

8:10

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8:12

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23, Christmas on the Closed Ward. We

11:02

last discussed this chapter in

11:04

episode 460, which was titled Looney

11:06

Lockhart. Gee, I wonder why.

11:08

Kind of a weird character to

11:10

bring up in the middle

11:12

of Book Five. That

11:14

episode was from April 7th of 2020.

11:16

And here's our clip. Three

11:18

times should do it. And

11:25

also just an example

11:27

of how Harry isn't

11:29

thinking of who he

11:32

can go to for

11:34

help. Jenny should

11:36

have seemed like a really obvious.

11:38

Choice. Yeah. I also found it odd

11:40

that these two were both possessed

11:42

in some way by Voldemort, but

11:44

yet they end up getting married. So I wondered

11:46

if that was like a common thing that they

11:48

bonded over. Hey,

11:50

babe, you remember when you were possessed

11:53

by Voldemort and Ginny's like, actually, no.

11:56

But I'll pretend I do for you. Go

11:58

back to bed, Harry. Mysterious

12:02

thing time. In my

12:04

dating profile, I'm going to

12:06

add being possessed by Voldemort as

12:08

a trait I'm looking for in another

12:10

person. Oh, man. Yeah. Let

12:12

us know how that goes. Yeah,

12:15

let's see what my partner thinks of that.

12:18

My current partner. So

12:20

in the beginning of

12:22

this chapter. We've said

12:25

this, I think we could have started any

12:27

of the last 20 chapters like this, but Harry's

12:29

in a bad place, you guys. And

12:31

it is not helped by,

12:34

he at least now has a word for

12:36

what he may have been experiencing, but

12:38

it's not a good word. It's possessed. And

12:41

Harry ultimately feels... unworthy and

12:43

tarnished and tainted and poisonous

12:46

and he takes to essentially

12:48

distancing himself from everyone

12:50

more than he was before.

12:52

As they're heading on the

12:54

train on the underground back

12:56

from St. Mungo's to Grimald

12:59

Place, he's not sitting with

13:01

anyone else because he's worried

13:03

either Voldemort is going to

13:05

look straight through his head

13:07

and see them and attack

13:10

them the way that Harry

13:12

wanted to attack Dumbledore. or

13:14

that he's putting them at risk just

13:16

in general from being around them. It's

13:18

just not a great place to be

13:20

in. No. And I

13:22

know you said that Harry

13:25

has been in a bad place

13:27

in past chapters, but now

13:29

he's in a bad place. Like

13:31

this is probably some of

13:33

the more challenging texts to read

13:35

throughout the Harry Potter series. And

13:38

yes, he is comparing

13:40

himself to Quirrell. He

13:43

thinks Voldemort might burst out of

13:45

his skull. But going

13:47

off of what you were saying,

13:49

Eric, when he's on the

13:51

underground, it's noted that he feels

13:53

dirty, contaminated, as though

13:55

he were carrying some deadly

13:57

germ, unworthy to sit on

13:59

the underground train back from

14:02

the hospital with innocent, clean

14:04

people whose minds and bodies

14:06

were free of the taint

14:08

of Voldemort. Just think about

14:10

that for a second, like a

14:12

15 -year -old feeling that way. Yeah,

14:14

I think he feels like his

14:16

personal space was violated. His

14:18

body was taken over. Yeah. So

14:21

I can see why he would be

14:23

feeling that way. I don't want

14:25

to get too specific or

14:28

grim here, but I think there

14:30

are people in our real

14:32

world who feel this way when

14:34

they are. let's say

14:36

taken advantage of. These are common

14:38

feelings for those who've suffered

14:40

assault and all sorts of horrible

14:42

things. And it's this guilt

14:44

where we see it with Harry.

14:47

He blames himself for not

14:49

being able to control

14:51

the fact that Voldemort is

14:53

possessing him or he

14:55

thinks he is. And

14:58

that's not logical, but

15:00

emotions are not logical. Essentially,

15:03

Harry thinks that he

15:05

should either be better at

15:07

defending himself or identifying

15:09

what it is and stopping.

15:11

But in his failure to do

15:14

that, he is now harming himself

15:16

by isolating himself. And essentially, in

15:18

this chapter, plans to move back

15:20

to Privet Drive, where he will

15:22

be absolutely not wanted and even

15:24

further abused, but at least further

15:27

away from the people that he

15:29

cares about. The

15:31

other quote that I

15:33

just wanted to mention from

15:35

this opening two pages, he

15:38

starts to think that he's

15:40

actually the weapon that is

15:42

being referred to by the order

15:44

earlier on in this book. But

15:47

it's noted that it was

15:49

as though poison was pumping

15:51

through his veins. And

15:53

we can analyze that on a

15:55

number of different levels, poison

15:58

being Voldemort. poison being

16:00

the Warcrux, poison being this

16:02

uncleannliness that he was

16:04

referencing earlier, maybe it's a

16:06

combination of all of

16:08

those things. But again,

16:10

for a 15 -year -old to

16:12

have to go through this is

16:14

disheartening, and I thought reading

16:16

back the first two or so

16:18

pages of this chapter were

16:20

just very hard to read, and

16:23

shame on the adults for not

16:25

engaging harry more we see mrs

16:27

weasley make an attempt she clearly

16:29

knows that something is off with

16:31

harry. But there are more adults

16:34

in this equation and none of

16:36

them really step up to try

16:38

and help him. It's real shame.

16:40

Somebody definitely should have been Harry's

16:42

mentor during this time and I

16:44

know Micah you in particular I'm

16:46

fearing that we're gonna be fighting

16:48

a couple times during today's episode.

16:51

You know you've been very critical

16:53

of Dumbledore and I agree to

16:55

an extent but Dumbledore does have

16:57

his reasons to not make a

16:59

direct connection and have a direct

17:01

conversation with Harry and honestly. Dumbledore

17:03

avoiding Harry is very compelling from

17:06

a reader standpoint. Why is Dumbledore avoiding

17:08

him like this? Why is Dumbledore

17:10

giving him the cold shoulder? So you

17:12

have to keep that in mind,

17:14

but I think Harry should have probably

17:16

been offered some sort of middleman.

17:18

Yeah, between he and Dumbledore who could

17:20

relay information back and forth. Now,

17:23

how you explain this to Harry in

17:25

a way that will please him,

17:27

that will satisfy him. I don't know

17:29

exactly, but something should have been

17:31

put in place of Dumbledore and

17:33

Harry talking to one another directly. Yeah,

17:35

and if it's a question of trust

17:37

like there are people in the order

17:40

that you can. Trust I

17:42

think McGonagall was one such person who

17:44

could interact with Harry both as his

17:46

head of house But then also as

17:48

like a liaison to Dumbledore. I think

17:50

that at the end of this book

17:52

when Harry's going around smashing things and

17:54

rightly so He you know Dumbledore kind

17:56

of talks about how much he cares

17:58

for Harry and oh I didn't tell

18:00

you the truth then because I care

18:02

for you so much or oh bless

18:05

It's old age. I care about you

18:07

so much. It's like well if you

18:09

care like It's one thing to come

18:11

straight out and risk everything you're trying

18:13

to do with the order by showing

18:15

up in front of Harry and having

18:17

Voldemort burst through. Okay, I get it.

18:19

But deputize someone because if you care,

18:21

this child is suffering and now it's

18:23

been going on for months. And

18:25

he's just had a dream

18:28

that had real world consequences. And

18:30

he woke up and he had to

18:32

tell his best friend and his entire

18:34

family, six siblings and a parent that

18:36

he saw it happen and then find

18:38

out that it was real. Like,

18:41

you absolutely need to step up

18:43

your game, Dumbledore. Get somebody out

18:45

there to talk to him. And

18:47

the person that eventually gets appointed

18:49

with the handling Harry situation, Snape,

18:52

is completely the wrong person for

18:54

this. Well,

18:56

yeah, I mean, he's good at teaching occlumency.

18:58

That's why he is given this role, right?

19:00

And by the way, we just have to

19:02

wait till the next chapter. There isn't too

19:04

much time to wait before Dumbledore really starts

19:06

putting some plans into action to help Harry

19:08

out. means that when we're discussing this chapter, we

19:10

have to go as hard as possible against

19:12

Dumbledore. No, but you also have

19:14

to understand, this chapter, it's set around the holidays,

19:16

right? Dumbledore was just planning to circle back

19:18

after the holidays. Sarah, I've got to circle back.

19:20

Yeah, let's put a pin in this until

19:22

after the holidays. Well, you

19:25

know, I will say in the

19:27

absence of these adults and it's

19:29

worth noting, right? Even Sirius, Harry

19:31

came to Sirius last chapter. We

19:33

talked on last week's episode about

19:35

how that was insufficient because actually

19:37

one of the reasons is that

19:39

Sirius and the other adults haven't

19:41

been prepped with what they are

19:43

allowed to say to Harry. and

19:46

what they might expect to come

19:48

from him. I think part of

19:50

the reason that Harry feels toxic

19:53

or this might inform it is

19:55

because they think he's radioactive, like

19:57

a little bit. They're

19:59

probably against their best interests

20:01

keeping a distance from Harry, or

20:03

even if that's true only

20:05

1 % of the time, he's

20:07

going to perceive that. He's

20:09

under a magnifying glass right

20:11

now, and he's going to

20:13

further retreat into himself. So

20:15

it's really not a good state

20:18

just to get into that.

20:20

But there is one adult

20:22

that comes over to Harry. And

20:24

it's Phineas Nigelus Black, former

20:26

headmaster of Hogwarts. And

20:29

Harry's pulling his trunk out the

20:31

door. The carpet is stuck, otherwise he

20:33

would have been gone. And

20:35

Phineas Nigelus Black says, hey, I

20:37

got a message from Dumbledore. And

20:39

Harry's like, oh, oh yeah? And

20:42

he says, yeah, stay put. That's

20:45

the message. Thanks Dumbledore.

20:47

Wasn't there I'm imagining

20:49

like a party that

20:51

thing you blow but

20:53

like one that sounds

20:55

completely pathetic Yeah, well

20:57

and then Harry gets

20:59

angry at this information

21:02

and then Phineas snaps

21:04

at Harry basically telling

21:06

him oh Harry, you're

21:08

just another know -it -all

21:10

kid. Dumbledore's never actually

21:12

put you into trouble when you listen

21:14

to his instructions. All

21:17

you kids are exactly the same.

21:19

And I do have to say that

21:21

Phineas is right to an extent.

21:23

Harry is the age where he thinks

21:25

and all teenagers think they're know -it

21:27

-alls. They don't want to listen to

21:30

adults. They're a little bit entitled

21:32

and that it's their way or the

21:34

broomway. And to

21:36

Phineas's point, To Phineas's point,

21:38

Harry even pouts back to

21:40

his bed and throws himself

21:42

face down on the mattress. Total,

21:45

I didn't get my way type

21:47

of move. He's complying. He's

21:49

not leaving. Yeah. And I'm glad

21:51

he complied, but he's, he's pouting about it. Uh,

21:54

so he made that noise too. Uh,

21:56

so I, you know, I. correct

21:58

me if i'm wrong but some people

22:00

have said they don't really like

22:02

harry in this book i'm starting to

22:04

understand yeah i wonder why well

22:06

not because he's this way i don't

22:08

like harry in this book because

22:10

he's made to suffer not because he's

22:12

unhappy you'd be unhappy too right

22:14

we all would um yeah but it's

22:16

it's the combination everything

22:19

that's happening to him externally that's

22:21

that he's reacting to and then

22:23

everything that's happening internally that's being

22:25

put on him by the circumstances

22:27

that he didn't ask for and

22:29

nobody's allowed to kind of nobody

22:31

that is equipped to help him

22:33

navigate some of these things is

22:35

allowed to help him and the

22:37

people he's surrounded with are out

22:40

of their depth. So it's just

22:42

a sticky situation to be in

22:44

like Harry is in a better

22:46

place I think in almost every

22:48

book and after the parcel mouth

22:50

encounter in book two might be

22:52

the only other time when it's

22:54

just really like nobody can help

22:56

him and Dumbledore then is there

22:58

to provide some comfort but it's

23:01

just kind of. kind of too

23:03

little too late on the part

23:05

of Phineas and I jealous and

23:07

and Harry is reminded that at

23:09

the beginning of the book when

23:11

the Dementor attack happened what was

23:13

he told stay put. And so

23:15

like that's not a solution you

23:17

know it's it's double or is

23:20

communicating absolutely as effectively as he

23:22

can and and as directly as

23:24

he can. But he's

23:26

not taking into account as

23:28

right as Phineas may be about

23:30

attitudes or whatever. Doubler

23:32

is just not addressing

23:35

Harry's very obvious panic and

23:37

emotional the way that

23:39

he's feeling and unclean and

23:41

everything. It just

23:43

goes against everything that a

23:45

15 -year -old would want to

23:47

do in this particular situation. And

23:50

who is Phineas Nigelus Black

23:52

to give Harry any direction on

23:54

what he should be doing?

23:57

He hasn't even interacted with him

23:59

before up until this point.

24:01

And I think this is something

24:03

that we mentioned the last

24:05

time we did this chapter by

24:07

chapter. But isn't it a

24:09

bit strange that Dumbledore has a

24:11

direct line into Harry's bedroom? Yeah.

24:16

He doesn't use it. Yeah. Well, it's

24:18

not like it's Dumbledore sitting there

24:20

watching. It is Phineas. So it's

24:22

weird about it, though. And I

24:24

agree. It's weird. But Harry recognizes

24:26

Phineas Nigeles's voice. Is he's

24:28

heard it before the video game? Well,

24:30

there's no kid. There's one thing about the

24:32

video game, I want to say. But first,

24:35

no, he recognizes Phineas's voice. So I look

24:37

back at the original chapters when Harry first

24:39

arrives, finds his bedroom, etc. There's

24:41

no conversation. The portrait is

24:43

empty. It's just an empty frame.

24:45

But in a particular moment

24:47

when Harry is complaining about Dumbledore,

24:50

Harry hears from the

24:52

frame a snigger. So.

24:56

This is a common probably this is

24:58

a common theme with Phineas has

25:01

already made up his mind about Harry's

25:03

attitude problem and authority problem And

25:05

he's done it, you know three months

25:07

ago. So this this comes to

25:09

a head Think about the video game.

25:11

I want to mention is where

25:13

do we think Phineas and I jealous

25:15

black got a distaste for Hogwarts

25:17

students from Oh, maybe the events of

25:19

Hogwarts legacy. Maybe it was your

25:21

punk character that impersonates him. I think

25:24

what spells him out of the way

25:26

and does some really weird stuff confesses

25:28

all the wrong secrets and stuff to

25:30

the whole school. You know, I like

25:33

to think it was our Hogwarts legacy

25:35

characters that gave Phineas this chip on

25:37

his shoulder. Before we move along in

25:39

the chapter, I want to say a

25:41

couple more things. First of all, in

25:43

the next scene that we're going

25:46

to discuss, even Hermione tells Harry to

25:48

stop feeling misunderstood, which is kind

25:50

of similar to what Phineas is saying,

25:52

stop pouting, get with it, wake

25:54

up. And that's Harry's best friend. And

25:56

number two, and this is

25:58

a point for Harry, Harry is

26:00

worried that he is being

26:02

used as a weapon by Voldemort.

26:05

And at that moment, it

26:07

might not be exactly true, but

26:09

by the end, Voldemort is

26:11

using his connection to Harry. to

26:13

take advantage of him. He lures him

26:15

into his trap by the end of

26:17

this book. So Harry was right to

26:20

be concerned about this type of thing

26:22

happening. And it's probably something Dumbledore should

26:24

have anticipated sooner, as I think Micah

26:26

lectured me about last week. Well,

26:28

that's an interesting point because the comfort

26:30

then that Harry feels in the next

26:32

scene, starting in the next scene and

26:34

lasting through the rest of the chapter

26:36

is sort of in a way false

26:38

comfort and false hope. After

26:41

he rules out being possessed, nevertheless,

26:44

there is an opportunity there

26:46

for Voldemort to abuse the

26:48

connection between them. I don't

26:50

know that it's necessarily full

26:52

-on possession. It's not. It's

26:55

almost just mind

26:57

penetration and trickery, but

27:00

it's not the same thing as what Ginny

27:02

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27:04

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28:48

Harry after he's done head

28:50

first into the the bed.

28:52

I'm so misunderstood He gets

28:54

up and decides to hide

28:56

in another room buckbeaks room

28:58

and There he is found

29:01

by Hermione and here's the

29:03

thing they there have been

29:05

a few conversations a few

29:07

kind of tough conversations between

29:09

Harry and Hermione in this

29:11

chapter or in this book

29:13

so far But for some

29:16

reason this one works this

29:18

one because it's I think

29:20

it rises from genuine concern.

29:23

Ginny's in there Ron is in there

29:25

Hermione's in there and they're able to

29:27

just yes they tell Harry to like

29:29

not flip out and stuff but what

29:31

they're saying is a lot of what

29:34

you're feeling is in your head or

29:36

it's a confirmation by so it's not

29:38

that we're avoiding you. you are literally

29:40

going to bug beaks room we couldn't

29:42

even find you the first four rooms

29:44

we looked in you're avoiding us and

29:46

we would like you to not do

29:49

that because we want to be with

29:51

you even despite this info and i

29:53

think it's just that that forced care

29:55

that forceful care that really kind of

29:57

at first helps break through and soften

29:59

things for harry. Yeah, I think sometimes

30:01

when you're really down in the dumps,

30:04

you can have a hard time reaching

30:06

out for help or thinking that people

30:08

won't want to help you or maybe

30:10

you don't want to open up. And

30:12

you can see why Harry wouldn't want

30:14

to open up. He feels dirty. He

30:16

feels violated. He's feeling

30:19

things he's never felt before. So

30:21

I can see why he would

30:23

really be closed off, but good

30:25

on Hermione for forcing her way

30:27

forward and talking to Harry. because

30:29

who knows how much longer this

30:31

would have went on for. She

30:33

doesn't have any time for that.

30:36

And I think that's honestly one

30:38

of the refreshing things about her.

30:40

And she wasn't somebody, though, that

30:42

was a part of this situation

30:44

that Harry and Ron and the

30:46

other Weasleys were for the last

30:48

several days, right? She was removed

30:50

from everything that had been happening

30:52

to Mr. Weasley. So to get

30:54

somebody that's a little bit more

30:57

so on the outside of what

30:59

was going on, She

31:01

just comes in and she's not

31:03

standing for any of it. I think

31:05

she knows Harry in a way

31:07

that Ron doesn't. They

31:10

connect differently than Ron and

31:12

him do. And let's

31:14

not forget, this happened to

31:16

Ron's dad. It didn't happen to Hermione's dad. It

31:18

didn't happen to a relative of hers. So

31:20

it's a little bit of a different dynamic. And

31:22

I'm not sure that even though Ron can

31:24

sit there and be like, yeah, man, I've been

31:26

trying to talk to you for the last

31:28

couple of hours or the last couple of days.

31:30

Has he really, though? We

31:33

haven't really heard about Ron approaching. Oh,

31:35

this has become a... It went

31:37

from a Dumbledore assassination episode to a

31:39

Ron assassination episode. You know,

31:41

Ginny says similar things, but we

31:43

haven't really been told about them

31:45

approaching him. Like he's secluded himself

31:47

in the house, and I'm sure

31:49

it's a big house with lots

31:52

of rooms and not easy to

31:54

find him if he doesn't want

31:56

to be found. But I'm not

31:58

sure how much effort has been

32:00

made to be honest with you.

32:02

Well, I'll defend Ron here just

32:04

very quickly and say that Ron

32:06

might actually be thinking that he's

32:08

respecting Harry by giving him space.

32:12

You know, different people have different

32:14

ways of coping and cooling down

32:16

and sometimes that is isolation. Isolation

32:19

is not, you know, always negative

32:21

or always harmful in the way

32:23

that it is clearly for Harry

32:25

because he feels like poison, but

32:27

I think that Ron. In

32:29

addition to not knowing what to say,

32:31

he's not as emotionally intelligent, maybe as

32:33

Hermione might be. But

32:35

he also respects Harry enough

32:38

to realize that sometimes you

32:40

do need to just be

32:42

alone. Yeah, definitely.

32:44

And I did find

32:46

it somewhat interesting that

32:48

Harry feels safe with

32:50

Buck Beak. That's where

32:52

he goes to hide away. And

32:55

it's also somewhat comical that

32:57

Buck Beak is still eating rats.

33:01

Well, I think it's back to

33:03

prisoner of Azkaban. I

33:05

think this proves that Buck

33:07

Beak is actually Harry's emotional support

33:09

hippogriff. That's canon now. Well,

33:11

there aren't any other hippogriffs in.

33:15

the running. I declare

33:17

cannon. Emotional support animals

33:19

are really hot right now. So we're

33:21

going to bring that back. That segment, that

33:23

clip has got to play more. So

33:25

the biggest thing, and this is a great

33:27

moment for Ginny. I'm a huge fan

33:29

of Ginny. No surprise there. But

33:32

she comes in matter of fact. Her

33:34

emotions are set aside, except they're not

33:36

because she wants to help her. You

33:38

can feel it. She wants to help

33:40

them. But she just straight up says, do

33:42

you remember? what you're doing half

33:44

the time. Do you know how you

33:46

get everywhere that you get?" And Harry's

33:48

like, yeah, she's like, you weren't possessed. I

33:51

know because I was possessed, you'll

33:53

recall. And I didn't

33:55

know I would wake up, places

33:58

not know how I got there,

34:00

et cetera, et cetera. And this

34:02

is really the first chink in

34:04

the armor. This is the first

34:06

time Harry, knowing enough about magic

34:08

to know that certain types of

34:10

magic really are funneled into certain

34:12

different ways. that this beyond a

34:15

shadow of a doubt like this

34:17

tiny little question about maybe he

34:19

wasn't possessed. Maybe the adults are

34:21

wrong. Maybe it's the wrong word.

34:23

Maybe there's hope for him not

34:25

being the weapon or for him

34:27

not being toxic to his friends.

34:30

All of this hope kind

34:32

of overwhelms Harry's faculties

34:35

and even during the conversation

34:37

as it continues, as

34:39

this sort of intervention continues,

34:41

he's immediately feeling better. And

34:44

it's all because somebody said, hey, I have

34:46

this experience, and that's not where you're going

34:48

through. Not to invalidate, but

34:50

you're definitely going through something, but

34:52

it ain't that. And

34:54

Ginny's the only one who could say

34:56

something like that. Yeah, and so

34:59

he starts opening up a little more

35:01

and then he starts feeling better

35:03

and by the end of this scene

35:05

his heart swells with happiness and

35:07

relief because he thinks he is not

35:09

the weapon after all. And I

35:11

think this moment in between Ginny and

35:13

Harry is just a great example

35:15

of what happens when you do go

35:17

and talk to your friends. They

35:20

can, or a therapist, they can help

35:22

you see alternate ways of thinking that

35:24

you weren't considering before. You were just

35:26

thought spiraling. You were going one direction,

35:28

down, down, down, turtles all the way

35:30

down. And then here comes Jenny being

35:32

like, well, you weren't possessed. And here's

35:34

why it is pretty simple. And

35:36

Harry's like, oh, my gosh, I

35:38

didn't even think of that because

35:40

I was thought spiraling. Right. Well,

35:42

it's also a great ad campaign

35:44

for having more than one friend.

35:46

Right. Yeah. Have have a couple

35:48

with different life experiences and. you'll

35:51

be stunned and surprised with the

35:53

difference in perspective and how helpful

35:55

it can be to your point,

35:57

Andrew. Yeah. And just

35:59

looking at the situation holistically,

36:01

I think we need to

36:03

keep in mind Harry is

36:05

15 years old here. He's

36:08

not an adult, and it's

36:10

easy for us to sit here

36:12

and to criticize his actions. But

36:15

he's a kid who, for

36:17

the better part of his life,

36:19

was forced to live in

36:21

isolation. He lived under his

36:23

aunt and uncle's staircase. Right.

36:25

And it's fair to say that he doesn't know

36:27

how to ask for help. And

36:30

the adults that could be helping

36:32

him are behaving like children themselves. Mm

36:34

hmm. Any in particular? Dumbledore.

36:37

We'll talk more about that. I thought you were

36:39

going to say serious and I'm relieved. Phew. To

36:42

Eric's point about having different friends who

36:44

give you different perspectives, I'm friends with

36:46

Micah because he keeps me humble about

36:48

Dumbledore. alternate perspective. It's

36:50

good for you. No, but I

36:52

will I'll build on your point, Micah,

36:54

and just add that I don't

36:57

think any kid knows how to express

36:59

their feelings or ask for help.

37:01

It's very rare in kids Harry's age.

37:03

And to your point, that's why

37:05

Dumbledore or another adult should have been

37:07

more helpful in getting Harry to

37:10

talk. Yeah, I mean, I think

37:12

it is. Although no one really knows what

37:14

anyone else is going through, I think

37:16

it's pretty darn obvious that Harry Potter has

37:18

been through more than anyone else in

37:20

this whole world the last, you know, every

37:22

one of the last several years. And

37:24

if anyone needs a hug or an extra

37:26

person to come in and say, hey, you're

37:29

right, it's going to be

37:31

Harry. Or an emotional support

37:33

hippogriff. Carly listening live says Buck

37:35

Beak is actually serious's emotional

37:37

support hippogriff. I agree with that.

37:39

we gonna re -declare Canon? Nah.

37:43

I mean, declare Canon!

37:45

As what is true. So

37:48

the big thing for me too

37:51

is, you know, I would love

37:53

it if we all, like us

37:55

as people in the real world

37:57

and the characters in the books,

37:59

just were actually better

38:02

about asking for help. and

38:04

reaching out to others when

38:06

we're feeling undone. You know, if

38:08

I'm getting down and lately

38:10

it's happened a bit about different

38:12

things happening in the world,

38:15

talking it out, not even with

38:17

someone I'm paying a therapist

38:19

who's great, but still anyone talking

38:21

it, saying it out loud,

38:23

having a sounding board, somebody

38:25

who cares about me as

38:27

a sounding board is great. Like

38:29

Martha is fantastic at listening. My

38:32

cat. But also Meg and you

38:34

know, it just it doesn't have

38:36

to be like if you catch

38:38

up with somebody you haven't heard

38:40

about you be surprised to know

38:42

what their perspective on something might

38:44

be Yeah, I like talking about

38:46

my issues with my emotional support

38:48

Hippograph. I but a good therapist

38:50

will also tell you you shouldn't

38:52

just rely on me to express

38:54

your frustrations to talk to your

38:56

friends or you shouldn't just rely

38:58

on your romantic partner trust other

39:00

people open up to other people

39:02

you can't put all of your

39:04

issues on one person you're meant

39:06

to talk to other people it

39:08

takes a village but in this

39:10

case the entire order has been

39:12

more or less forbidden from coming

39:14

to harry in this manner because

39:16

harry is a special case that

39:18

is Dumbledore's to tell

39:21

what's going on and Dumbledore's chosen

39:23

to avoid him like like that's

39:25

the probably think to some extent.

39:28

None of the adults would feel comfortable

39:30

reaching out to Harry because they don't

39:32

have answers and that that's a common

39:34

trapping of adults right sometimes you just

39:36

need to listen right you don't need

39:38

to show up with the solution right

39:40

but. because Dumbledore is not really told

39:42

any of the adults, anything he's thinking

39:44

or anything close to what he's thinking,

39:46

they're going to use the wrong words

39:48

for things. They're going to start thinking

39:50

Harry's really being possessed. And

39:52

that just makes things worse. So

39:54

I think if Dumbledore was

39:56

going to avoid Harry the way

39:59

he has been, he should

40:01

have deputized somebody to actually be

40:03

the point person, actually somebody

40:05

that he trusts to know a

40:07

little bit more than what

40:09

he's telling Joshmo order. Well,

40:12

apparently Dumbledore and Hermione are talking.

40:14

Hermione acknowledges that in the chapter, so

40:16

Hermione could have been that middle

40:18

man or woman. I think McGonagall could

40:20

have been as well. Somebody to

40:22

express sympathy towards Harry and say, I

40:24

hear you. What you're going through

40:26

is tough. There are definitely some

40:28

good options who Harry I think would have connected

40:30

with. I think this chapter really,

40:32

with this friend intervention, it's

40:35

really divine because these are the the

40:37

friends of his that he goes

40:39

to the ministry with at the end

40:41

to save Sirius, to rescue Sirius.

40:43

They're all present in this room, except

40:45

for Neville, who's also present in

40:47

this chapter. And

40:49

oh, maybe Luna, but she's

40:51

always supportive. But I

40:53

think this really does begin

40:55

the process of Harriet Snowballs into

40:58

Harry trusting others. And that's

41:00

that's why he even thinks of

41:02

not just going alone, I

41:04

think, is he's he's starting to

41:06

unlearn what he's learned. to

41:08

be independent and not ask for

41:10

help by the end of

41:13

the book. I do love that

41:15

when Harry's like, oh, but

41:17

Voldemort could have transported me out

41:19

of Hogwarts. Hermione

41:21

reminds him, well, if you actually read

41:23

Hogwarts of history, you know

41:25

that you can't apparate in or out

41:27

of Hogwarts. Well, here's a moment

41:30

when Ron steps in. Ron says, hey,

41:32

mate, I saw you. You were

41:34

in bed minutes before you woke up.

41:36

Again, it's basically what we're talking

41:38

about here. You start sharing your problems

41:40

with people and they help give

41:42

you this array of evidence to make

41:44

you actually feel better about a

41:47

situation. It's wild. What

41:49

is interesting about what you're

41:51

saying about Ron, though, is

41:53

was he willing to offer

41:55

that information prior to this?

41:57

Because he was clearly in

42:00

a pretty challenging. state of

42:02

mind, given everything that had

42:04

happened. Maybe if he

42:06

would have shared some of that with

42:08

Harry before a couple of days

42:10

after this all transpired, Harry might

42:12

have felt a little bit better. Is that

42:14

fair to say? I don't know that he

42:16

would have held this information. I think it's

42:18

with Ron, it's like you have to ask

42:20

a question to get a reply kind of

42:22

thing. Yeah. Like he's not

42:24

going to go back to some

42:26

of my critique of him earlier. But

42:28

again, he's young. He's the same

42:30

age as Harry, and so I

42:32

don't really put blame at the

42:35

feet of any of the children

42:37

here. What I

42:39

do have a problem with

42:41

is the fact that the

42:43

headmaster of this school is

42:45

ten times the age of

42:48

Harry in this chapter. And

42:50

he's behaving like the child. He's

42:52

not acting like the adult in the room.

42:55

He's running from Harry. Oh, don't look at

42:57

me, Harry. Don't look at me. Oh,

42:59

cuties. Yeah. I mean, come

43:01

on. to send Phineas. Go tell him to

43:03

stay put. Michael, let's see

43:05

how you behave yourself at 150 years

43:07

old. All right. We're going go to

43:09

an end break while Andrew and Micah

43:11

fight it out. No, it's

43:13

I will agree with Andrew

43:16

that I think that Dumbledore

43:18

has more. to deal

43:20

with then Harry understands at

43:22

the moment. But he's

43:24

also the one that has

43:26

all of the information and

43:28

sharing is caring. And

43:31

I just think there needs to

43:33

be more. I think Andrew and

43:35

I can agree before we head

43:37

to the break that Dumbledore needs to

43:39

be doing more in this situation.

43:41

Yes, Micah, I agree. There

43:43

we go. Well, you guys resolve that. It's

43:45

the holiday season. We need to wait. We'll

43:47

see you all next week. Yeah. Yeah. So

43:49

it's over. We're in a good mood because

43:51

of Easter. We're going over. And

43:55

now we're from Christmas. Oh,

43:57

oh, in the book. I thought you're talking

43:59

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we've spent a fair bit

45:12

of this time on today's

45:14

episode talking about characters who

45:16

don't do emotions well. Let's

45:18

talk about some positive moments

45:20

now because it turns out

45:22

after Harry is able to

45:25

sort of turn that corner

45:27

and begin to see things

45:29

a little bit more hopefully,

45:31

there are also gestures of

45:33

goodwill toward man and really

45:35

lovely things happening. at Christmas,

45:37

at 12 Grimoire Place and

45:39

St. Mungo's. Big thing

45:41

for me is Lupin in

45:44

this chapter. Lupin

45:46

shows up, it turns out,

45:48

at Grimoire Place just

45:50

in time because Molly has

45:52

received Percy Weasley's sweater

45:54

that was returned to her.

45:57

This is the kind of

45:59

thing where again the kids

46:02

are actually avoiding Molly. They're

46:04

like she's inconsolable. We tried

46:06

friend George. I think tried

46:08

to comfort her it didn't

46:10

work and yet Lupin an

46:12

outsider in the family shows

46:14

up and is actually praised

46:16

for Kind of seeing immediately

46:18

what the problem wasn't going to her

46:20

and this this goes way back

46:22

to Lupin in the chocolate when Harry's

46:24

you know suffering from the Dementor

46:27

effects the first time like he has

46:29

the remedy. He knows kind of

46:31

what to anticipate and how to handle

46:33

it. He knew what Harry was

46:35

feeling weak for having fallen to the

46:37

Dementor and he's just the perfect

46:39

person to comfort Molly just then. But

46:41

it's also so awful a Percy

46:43

did sending back a hand knitted sweater

46:45

like that. He's so mean, that's

46:47

your mother. To be fair, it's like

46:49

his the ninth sweater he would

46:51

have gotten for like the ninth Christmas

46:53

sweater. But a growing boy. He

46:55

needs a new one. The other one's

46:57

probably shrunk or he lost them

46:59

or they smell bad. Yeah, what's

47:01

he going to wear on Casual Fridays at the ministry? That's

47:05

a good point. I didn't think about Casual Fridays

47:07

at the ministry. Here's something

47:09

else in that, and we're going

47:11

to talk eventually about the

47:13

best Christmas gifts of this chapter,

47:15

but Lupin and Sirius turns

47:17

out Harry's gay uncles both go

47:19

in on a gift together. And

47:22

it's a set

47:24

of practical defensive magic

47:26

books. And this is

47:29

just an example of somebody that

47:31

knows Harry nailing it. A lot of

47:33

gifts that Harry gets are good.

47:35

Some of the gifts he gives are

47:37

good, but. Lupin and Sirius really

47:39

kind of understanding the assignment because Harry

47:41

is nowadays like not distracted by

47:43

the whole possession thing already starting to

47:45

lessen plan for the new year.

47:47

And that's going to be great. Yeah.

47:49

And I think another reason the

47:51

skips are so thoughtful is because they

47:54

know Umbridge is not teaching them

47:56

any actual defensive. magic, like

47:58

they're not using it in practice. So

48:00

I think it's just really nice

48:02

that Lupin and Sirius are trying

48:05

to help him out at a

48:07

time when the DADA class at

48:09

Hogwarts is useless. And

48:11

also excellent here is that Lupin was

48:13

the DADA teacher. So to have him now

48:15

continue to help Harry is pretty cool.

48:17

You know what, that's cool. You could have

48:19

been like, this is the book that

48:21

I relied on, you know, to kind of

48:23

plan. Yeah, how I taught y 'all. Oh,

48:25

that's so cool. Lupin being, of course,

48:27

the best teacher that Harry's ever had. So

48:30

wrapping up on Lupin, though,

48:32

there's one other thing he does

48:34

that I think is maybe

48:36

the sweetest thing that he does,

48:38

which is when they're at

48:40

the ward at St. Mungo's. We

48:42

all remember that Arthur has

48:45

a ward guest, a bedmate, who's

48:47

a werewolf. And Arthur

48:49

was trying to comfort this

48:51

young man. Last chapter,

48:53

we heard about this, and he

48:55

was told to stuff it. The

48:57

guy didn't want to hear what he

49:00

was telling that he is a

49:02

friend who's a werewolf. Now Lupin is

49:04

showing up. Everyone is there seeing

49:06

Arthur, and Lupin completely unbidden, unasked,

49:09

into it. that he's

49:11

going to go and say

49:13

something to this other

49:15

patient. And this other patient

49:17

who was looking so hopeful like so,

49:19

even though he issued contact and didn't

49:21

ask Arthur to talk to the wearable

49:24

for whatever, whatever, when you

49:26

see 10 people walk in on Christmas and

49:28

you're alone in the hospital getting better

49:30

or for something that isn't even getting better,

49:32

you don't know, somebody coming

49:34

over and taking the time for you. Just

49:36

for a couple of minutes, whatever they're going

49:38

to talk about, but somebody who has something

49:40

in common and can give you hope. The

49:42

same kind of hope Jenny gave Harry Lupin

49:44

gives to this werewolf. It's not all over

49:47

for you. Amazing. Yeah, this

49:49

was really nice character development

49:51

for Lupin. And I thought

49:53

it highlighted how people with

49:55

similarities, be it a condition,

49:57

a sexuality, a background, whatever.

50:00

have to look out for one another. And

50:03

I think Lupin's comfort will go

50:05

a long way when it comes from

50:07

another werewolf. Kind of like, it

50:09

gets better thing, my guy. Yeah. No,

50:12

really. My wolf. And

50:14

sometimes you wouldn't trust anyone that

50:16

other than somebody who'd lived and

50:18

walked a mile in those shoes.

50:20

Exactly. Yeah. There

50:22

are too many reasons to be

50:24

suspicious of it. So I

50:26

also think it's nice to see

50:28

in general that Sirius is

50:30

happier than ever. I think Sirius

50:32

Black's happiness is probably at

50:34

a Sirius high. We

50:36

know that he, too, has been

50:38

feeling isolated. And

50:40

now, because of what happened to

50:42

Mr. Weasley, everyone is staying

50:45

at Grimall Place, which is much

50:47

closer to St. Mungo's than Ottery's St.

50:49

Ketch Bowl. So I think that

50:51

that's a really nice thing to see.

50:53

I mean, Sirius is going around

50:55

humming Christmas carols. home

50:57

is filled with people who he

50:59

loves and he's helping the order

51:01

out. Maybe Christmas is his

51:03

favorite holiday as well. Good

51:05

thing he's so happy now because

51:07

this is his last Christmas. Like

51:09

there's a bunch of reasons you can see why

51:11

Sirius is in a good mood right now. And

51:14

who knows how many happy

51:16

Christmases he actually even spent

51:18

inside of Cremol Place. Yeah.

51:21

Yeah. Yep. Yeah, well, and they've decorated,

51:23

which is really nice. And in fact,

51:25

I mean, Sirius is kind of lulled

51:27

into a sense of whatever the opposite

51:29

of alarm is, because unfortunately, like we

51:31

found out during this chapter, they still

51:34

haven't seen creature in a little while.

51:36

Yeah. And but Sirius is in such

51:38

a good mood that he also doesn't

51:40

investigate further, because this is the kind

51:42

of time where even Harry's noticing, okay?

51:44

That's how you know you have a

51:46

problem. Harry's like, hey, come to think

51:48

of it, I haven't seen creature in

51:50

Sirius. He's like, huh. Yeah, I haven't

51:52

either. I'll circle back after the holidays.

51:54

I'll circle back after the holiday. Yeah, you

51:56

did the Dumbledore excuse. And for

51:59

us as the readers,

52:01

it's all being set up

52:03

very craftily, especially given

52:05

that Bellatrix's photo is on

52:07

full display in Creature's

52:09

Nest. That's what it's referred

52:11

to as. And

52:13

she is later brought up at

52:15

the end of the chapter

52:17

as one of the main people

52:19

responsible for the current conditions

52:21

of Frank and Alice Longbottom. So

52:24

we should definitely be very wary

52:26

of where creature is. For sure.

52:28

A couple other honorable mentions for

52:30

people who are in good states

52:32

and doing good for others. Arthur's

52:35

thrilled to see people. He's

52:38

in such a good mood that

52:40

he gets to confess his silliness

52:42

in his folly in trying to

52:44

use muggle stitches, which apparently

52:46

wizards have never heard of. So

52:49

Arthur has to explain it. And

52:51

Molly Hussose is like, oh dear

52:53

God, not that. Anything but that.

52:55

Arthur, you didn't. Well, it serves

52:57

as a vehicle to get Harry

52:59

out of Arthur's room. And

53:02

stitches are effective for Muggle.

53:04

So Molly's kind of overreacting here,

53:06

even though it doesn't work

53:08

out for Arthur, but his attack

53:10

was very unique. And that's

53:12

why the stitches weren't working. I

53:15

give him credit for trying. No, that's

53:17

a good point. There's no reason why

53:19

stitches wouldn't work even on wizards. if

53:21

it's not a magically like staying open

53:23

wound the way that we know it

53:25

is. So there is that. And,

53:27

you know, we we actually see

53:29

someone else in Good Spirits today. It's

53:32

Gilderay Lockhart, their

53:34

former DADA professor turned

53:36

curious in resident

53:38

of the spell damage

53:41

ward. And the interesting

53:43

thing here, you know, I'm

53:45

not going to credit Lockhart for

53:47

anything, but his handler is

53:49

kind of going the extra mile

53:52

to round up these children

53:54

that just happened to walk by

53:56

and they happen to remember

53:58

him. They happen to notice him,

54:00

recognize him. The handler pulls

54:03

them into the room and says

54:05

he rarely gets company and

54:07

they're obligated but they stay. They're

54:10

there for a decent amount

54:12

of time. Spreading some Christmas

54:14

cheer. Do you think

54:16

they feel obligated in any way?

54:18

I think you're just... of the events

54:20

of Chamber of Secrets? I

54:22

think they're feeling a little Christmas

54:24

cheer. They want to spread some Christmas

54:27

joy. But the handler

54:29

also notes that Gilderoy

54:31

never gets visitors. And

54:33

I just think that speaks volumes

54:35

to how fake of a

54:37

person he was, pre -memory wiping.

54:39

He built no real connections with

54:41

people during his coherent years. And

54:44

so there's nobody who loves him.

54:46

And it's sad, but it's a reflection

54:48

of who Gilderoy was. And

54:50

I just loved this callback, like

54:52

getting Lockhart kind of out of

54:54

the blue. We never expected to

54:56

see him again. And then he's

54:58

introduced over a holiday. It

55:01

was a really interesting surprise

55:03

that also added a lot

55:05

of background to this character.

55:07

And I think too, it

55:09

just really works. There's

55:12

so many questions about who

55:14

Harry is and identity and stuff

55:16

and to find Gilderoy here.

55:18

It's like a puzzle box of

55:20

well, what remnants of his

55:22

identity are kind of Still in

55:24

there, you know, and and

55:26

and what what memories are kind

55:28

of coming back now a

55:30

little bit? I find it

55:32

funny that we're calling it

55:34

his handler The way I read

55:36

it is May even be

55:39

his boo like they they seem

55:41

No, Gladys Guggenis is boo. Well,

55:45

she's a fan. No,

55:49

it's just funny to me because

55:51

of the way she kind of talks.

55:53

And I don't know if it's

55:55

just kind of in cutesy speak because

55:57

of the mental state of Gilderoy

55:59

or does she find herself maybe a

56:02

little bit taken with him? We

56:04

know like he was appealing on some

56:06

level to people. What I'll say

56:08

to this, though, is that I think

56:10

that that is the type of

56:12

relationship that is perfectly normal and encouraged

56:14

for nurses with long -term patients is

56:17

you have familiarity. What

56:19

I think you're sensing, Michael, what

56:21

we're reading in this chapter is that

56:23

she genuinely cares for his well -being.

56:25

And that's an uncommon thing to

56:27

care so much if somebody else is

56:30

getting the company that they need

56:32

or getting enough company or stopping by.

56:34

So I think that's what it

56:36

is, more than any romantic thing between

56:38

the two of them. I think

56:40

it's her job to take care of

56:42

him. And she probably views that

56:44

as a holistic sense. Even

56:46

if it means getting him some

56:49

FaceTime with a couple of people

56:51

that he obviously doesn't remember, but

56:53

who might remember him. And it

56:55

can't be easy for her to

56:57

be in that kind of job.

56:59

And I do think that the

57:02

reason that Lockhart is in this

57:04

scene is the setup for the

57:06

long bottoms because we're able probably

57:08

on some level to laugh a

57:10

little bit about seeing Gilderoy again

57:12

and he's still in this state.

57:15

But we start to realize the

57:17

more that the trio and Ginny

57:20

interact with him, how sad it

57:22

actually is. And then it's this

57:24

big setup for Alice and Frank,

57:26

and it's like, whoa, this is

57:28

actually not all that funny

57:30

at the end of the day. And

57:33

we're seeing the real

57:35

effects of the First War.

57:38

When we talk often about the

57:40

First Wizarding War, and it's appropriate that

57:42

we do actually meet them in

57:44

this book because it is the

57:46

Order of the Phoenix. This is the

57:48

second coming together. And

57:50

for them, not

57:53

all negative impacts of war

57:55

are felt in those that

57:57

we lose. People are impacted

57:59

in other ways, and we

58:01

see that come to the

58:03

forefront in this chapter with

58:05

the long bottoms. There

58:07

are things worse than death. And

58:10

the greatest thing, I think, about

58:12

Again, continuing with people making the

58:14

right choice and being there emotionally

58:16

for one another, is that

58:19

Harry is all too protective

58:21

making sure that and trying to

58:23

get no one to watch

58:25

Neville and notice him. And when

58:27

that fails, every one

58:29

of these kids steps

58:31

up and they're somber and

58:34

they don't ask too

58:36

many questions. I think maybe

58:38

Ron does, but ultimately,

58:40

they're quiet and respectful. to

58:43

Neville who is in this situation.

58:46

Isn't it interesting though that

58:48

you go from Lockhart who

58:50

they were probably pretty comfortable

58:52

making some jokes on the

58:54

side about given his current

58:56

state? Well, no question. But

58:59

yeah, the conditions are

59:01

not all that dissimilar between him

59:03

and the long bottoms. But yet

59:05

when they get to the long

59:07

bottoms, it's because they know Neville

59:09

and because of

59:11

the situation, it's like, okay, wow,

59:13

hold on. This actually is

59:15

really serious. Right. Well, they had

59:17

that done to them. They were tortured

59:20

into insanity by Bellatrix, The Strange, and

59:22

Rodolphus, and maybe Barty Crouch Jr.

59:25

I think in terms of how the

59:27

kids react to Neville's parents, I think

59:29

they're getting hit over the head with

59:31

a hard dose of reality. It's

59:33

like, I mean, they're seeing firsthand

59:35

just what the war did. And this

59:37

is, This is their friend's parents.

59:39

Like, this is tough to see and

59:41

such in such a raw state,

59:43

too, not to mention unexpectedly. So

59:46

tough times at St. Monaco's.

59:48

There is a connecting the

59:50

threads, though, like there is

59:52

in much of this chapter

59:54

going back to Prisoner of

59:56

Azkaban, because we get the

59:59

introduction to the real Augusta

1:00:01

Longbottom. We saw a version

1:00:03

of her briefly in Prisoner

1:00:05

of Azkaban via Neville's Boggart.

1:00:08

But it is nice to meet her,

1:00:11

even though it is under these

1:00:13

circumstances. And it's got

1:00:15

to be impressive to Harry, Ron,

1:00:17

and Hermione that she knows

1:00:19

who they all are. Yeah. It's

1:00:21

like one of those situations

1:00:23

where maybe you meet your friend's

1:00:25

parents or somebody and they

1:00:27

automatically know who you are because

1:00:29

your friend talks about you

1:00:31

so much, but you've never actually.

1:00:33

so many good things about

1:00:36

you. Yeah, it's one of those

1:00:38

moments. And just

1:00:40

one other thing I wanted

1:00:42

to mention before we wrap

1:00:44

up the chapter is the

1:00:46

infamous bubblegum wrapper theory. This

1:00:48

was such a

1:00:51

longstanding theory that

1:00:53

somehow, someway, Alice

1:00:55

and maybe Frank were

1:00:58

passing messages to Neville

1:01:00

via the bubblegum wrappers.

1:01:03

And perhaps that would come

1:01:05

into play in future books.

1:01:07

Of course, we learned, I

1:01:09

think it was directly from

1:01:11

the author that that wasn't

1:01:13

the case though. It was

1:01:15

just kind of a sentimental

1:01:17

thing that she did with

1:01:19

her son. And yet, if

1:01:21

you're looking for clues, like

1:01:23

the old JK Rowling website,

1:01:25

there were bubble gum wrappers scattered

1:01:27

all around on the desktop

1:01:30

and around the, you know,

1:01:32

and it seemed very plausible. We

1:01:34

mention this every time this chapter comes

1:01:36

up, but I think a big

1:01:38

portion of that theory comes from Wizarding

1:01:40

World Press and the Ultimate Unofficial

1:01:42

Guide to the Mysteries of Harry Potter.

1:01:44

I wanted to read here because

1:01:46

I was like, you know, we credit

1:01:48

it enough and we talk about

1:01:50

this theory, but here's what was actually

1:01:53

said. First

1:01:55

of all, who is giving the gum to

1:01:57

his mother and should we be suspicious

1:01:59

of it? Neville's mom did seem

1:02:01

to think it was important that Neville be the

1:02:03

one to receive the gum wrapper. Does she

1:02:05

recognize him at all? If Neville

1:02:07

keeps saving her wrappers, what's he doing

1:02:09

with all of them? Is there

1:02:11

something special about the gum, the wrappers,

1:02:13

or is someone doing something to

1:02:15

them? And it's an open

1:02:17

question. I mean, it was

1:02:20

eventually nothing came of it, but

1:02:22

I love the possibilities of

1:02:24

what might be occurring. while there

1:02:26

wasn't any truth to that

1:02:28

very cool fan theory, it

1:02:30

does end up being important

1:02:32

because these gum wrappers mean a

1:02:34

lot to Neville. I

1:02:36

mean, there's still a meaningful gift

1:02:38

from his parents. That's the

1:02:40

thing is like whether she recognizes

1:02:42

him or not, Alice, he'll

1:02:45

have this gift from her. Yeah,

1:02:47

it is still like a

1:02:49

link between them. And I think

1:02:51

you could see why Neville

1:02:53

believes that. she still recognizes her

1:02:55

son because she regularly hands

1:02:58

over these gum wrappers. Any pockets

1:03:00

it. And Harry thinks that

1:03:02

that's sad, but I think it's lovely. Yeah,

1:03:04

a couple of odds and ends before

1:03:06

we wrap up today's chapter. First of all,

1:03:09

just rereading this chapter and made me

1:03:11

think that the removal of Saint Mungos from

1:03:13

the movies is even more shocking when

1:03:15

you consider that Harry goes back there twice

1:03:17

in the book. This wasn't a one

1:03:19

off scene. There's pivotal stuff

1:03:21

happening here twice. It's all over Christmas

1:03:23

break. We can just Harry Potter.

1:03:25

You saved my life. Yes. Well,

1:03:27

like we said last week, this will

1:03:29

just be one big Max that events

1:03:31

have lots of opportunities. And

1:03:34

we got to meet. Well,

1:03:36

not really directly meet, but

1:03:38

we were in the same

1:03:40

room as Broderick Boad and

1:03:42

the Broderick Boad, Broderick Boad,

1:03:44

the Unspeakable. And

1:03:46

I think it was the last chapter, wasn't it,

1:03:48

where somebody was showing up to pay him a

1:03:51

visit. It was a wizard with an ear trumpet.

1:03:53

I guess that failed to kill him, so they

1:03:55

needed to put in the double snare. Yeah,

1:03:57

so he receives a

1:03:59

plant that will ultimately kill

1:04:02

him. I guess they

1:04:04

don't screen at St. Mogo's. It's

1:04:06

the holidays, you know, they're okay with

1:04:08

letting gifts slide through on the down low.

1:04:10

Did we say this last week? It's

1:04:12

pre -9 -11, so. That's

1:04:15

fair. You would, yeah, you would think

1:04:17

they would check that type of thing

1:04:19

because this place is about wizards and

1:04:21

witches getting better, not worse or dying.

1:04:23

So, yeah, good call out. We, it's

1:04:26

time that we talk about the Christmas

1:04:28

gifts that were given in this chapter. What

1:04:31

was the best gift someone received

1:04:33

in this chapter for Christmas? I

1:04:35

think it was Hegridge sort of.

1:04:37

mini monster book of monsters book

1:04:39

that he gave to Harry that

1:04:42

actually is a wallet. Harry says

1:04:44

that the wallet actually bites back

1:04:46

at him. So in classic Hagrid

1:04:48

fashion, it

1:04:50

wasn't totally spot on. There was something a

1:04:52

little off about it. But I would

1:04:54

want one of these wallets that bites at

1:04:56

anybody who tries to get into my

1:04:58

wallet. Of course, I should be able to

1:05:00

get through. Yeah. But I think it's.

1:05:02

Stroke the billfold or something. Yeah. And

1:05:05

you whisper, it's me. You're

1:05:07

your owner, your money daddy.

1:05:10

You have to feed it money to

1:05:12

like keep it and had it

1:05:14

and dollar day walks. Yeah. I'm

1:05:17

going to go ahead. I already

1:05:19

said this, but the defense books

1:05:21

from Harry's gay uncles. Thanks. Thanks,

1:05:23

Wolfstar. They give they

1:05:25

literally they don't give two gifts. They

1:05:27

give one gift as each other

1:05:29

to Harry. I love it. I'm going

1:05:31

to go with Dobby's picture of

1:05:33

Harry, his painting. Look,

1:05:36

it comes from the heart. And

1:05:38

I will say this, Harry all

1:05:40

over Dobby's gifts. He did it in

1:05:42

Goblet of Fire, too. And

1:05:44

I don't think it's right. No. And

1:05:47

Harry took down all of Dobby's hard

1:05:49

work at the room of requirement, too,

1:05:51

for Christmas break. All the. I'm going

1:05:53

to say in the word. Christmas. Yeah,

1:05:56

I mean, that's not a very

1:05:58

hairy Christmas. Dobby shows nothing. But maybe

1:06:00

Harry should talk to Dobby about what's

1:06:02

going on. Yeah. Maybe

1:06:04

the emotional support elf. And

1:06:08

then maybe Harry will start respecting those

1:06:10

gifts that Dobby so kindly gives him. He's

1:06:12

going to regret it in a couple

1:06:14

books. Aw. And

1:06:16

now let's get over to

1:06:18

our links line. I'm really

1:06:20

looking forward to this segment.

1:06:24

Picking up from the gum

1:06:26

wrappers, we asked our

1:06:28

patrons over on our links

1:06:30

line. What is something

1:06:32

someone gave you? that has

1:06:34

little or no monetary value

1:06:37

but which you hold absolutely

1:06:39

dear and would be devastated

1:06:41

to part with what's the

1:06:43

story associated with it. Inspired

1:06:45

by those gum wrappers. Emily

1:06:47

said, I'm a teacher and a few years

1:06:49

ago I was working at a super toxic school.

1:06:52

In addition to that, my husband was going through

1:06:54

some health issues. I told my students

1:06:56

a little about it to explain the absences. And

1:06:59

one of my kids made the

1:07:01

sweetest gift. He decorated a box and

1:07:03

filled it with Reese's and tissue

1:07:05

paper flowers. It had a note

1:07:07

saying, I know you're worried about your

1:07:09

husband, but everything will be OK. Trust me.

1:07:12

I teach fifth grade, by the way. He

1:07:14

had also handwritten dad jokes to

1:07:16

read to my husband. I'm

1:07:18

at a new school now, but I will

1:07:20

always keep the box to remember the thoughtfulness

1:07:22

of a 10 year old. Wow, that's beautiful.

1:07:25

That's that's amazing. Brian

1:07:28

says my dad makes it.

1:07:30

ton of different trinkets like wooden

1:07:32

gnomes, bonsai trees made of

1:07:34

wire, fairy houses for kiddos in

1:07:36

his free time. Cool dad. Growing

1:07:38

up, softball was always our thing. When

1:07:40

I was hired as a softball coach at

1:07:42

the high school I teach at, he

1:07:44

surprised me with one of his bonsai trees

1:07:46

sitting on one of the home run

1:07:48

balls from my playing career that I had

1:07:50

given to him. He had kept it

1:07:52

all these years. It sits on

1:07:54

my desk at school and always reminds

1:07:57

me of him and the game that

1:07:59

we both love. Manda says, I

1:08:01

have a picture of me

1:08:03

and a stranger riding Hagrid's

1:08:05

magical creature motorbike adventure at

1:08:07

Universal Orlando, framed in my

1:08:09

office. To be brief,

1:08:11

several years ago I went on a

1:08:13

birthday trip to Universal, but unfortunately cannot

1:08:15

ride Hagrid's due to my size. Universal

1:08:18

rides are notorious for not

1:08:20

being size -inclusive. A

1:08:22

year later, after lots of hard

1:08:25

work, running, etc., I went back on

1:08:27

a solo trip to Universal. When

1:08:29

I tried the test seat and

1:08:31

fit with no concerns, I was in

1:08:33

tears and was so incredibly proud

1:08:36

of myself. I shared how special

1:08:38

this was with the team member there, and

1:08:40

she not only escorted me to the front

1:08:42

of the queue, she met me after the

1:08:44

ride and gifted me this photo and shared

1:08:46

how happy she was for me. I

1:08:48

will never forget her kindness. She

1:08:50

was even a Slytherin. And

1:08:52

this photo means so much to me. Sorry,

1:08:54

this takes me out of it. I think

1:08:56

people are lying on their newsline submissions. I

1:08:58

can't believe this. Zachary

1:09:01

said, I grew up on a street with

1:09:03

three boys I consider my brothers. All

1:09:05

of our families treated us as such.

1:09:07

One of my brother's grandmother was an

1:09:09

accomplished musician and conductor and would always

1:09:11

travel and bring us stuff from wherever

1:09:13

she went. I have a coffee

1:09:15

mug from Zach Theeter that I refuse to

1:09:17

part with because of the sentiment. The

1:09:20

mug is well over a decade old

1:09:22

and I still use it every week. Means

1:09:24

more now that she's no longer with

1:09:26

us. Side story, out of

1:09:28

the four of us, three got tattoos

1:09:30

wrapped representing Mooney, Padfoot, and Prongs.

1:09:32

And as a send off to our

1:09:35

childhood, we got mischief managed tattooed

1:09:37

as well. Wow. I love that fourth

1:09:39

friend that was like, I'm not

1:09:41

getting Wormtail tattooed on me. Oh,

1:09:43

I have an idea. The four of us,

1:09:45

including Laura, of course, should do this and

1:09:47

I'll get Wormtail. since the author called my

1:09:50

old site Wormtale. That's true. That's

1:09:52

okay. All right. I am

1:09:54

a Slytherin too. So I mean, I feel like

1:09:56

that tracks even though I just looked. Yes,

1:09:58

the Austin theater, the Zach theaters

1:10:00

in Austin, Texas. These are

1:10:02

really, really sweet stories. Kayla

1:10:05

says, the only thing I can personally think

1:10:07

of would be all the stuffed animals I was

1:10:09

gifted in my childhood. I have about three

1:10:11

that come to mind I was given by family

1:10:13

members, whether it be my mom, my cousin,

1:10:15

or my dad. And even though I

1:10:17

am no longer a child, I still have

1:10:20

these stuffed animals because the significance of who

1:10:22

gave it to me is what's important. I

1:10:24

have a fairly large stuffed tiger that's lying

1:10:26

down that my mom gave me when I

1:10:28

was a baby. I have a kind of

1:10:30

medium -sized stuffed pit bull that my cousin

1:10:32

gave me, and I have a similarly medium -sized

1:10:34

stuffed rottweiler that my dad had gifted me.

1:10:37

I keep them on my display bookshelf in

1:10:39

my office and will probably never give them

1:10:41

away because of what they mean to me.

1:10:43

Hey, I still have my stuffed animals, too.

1:10:46

I still sleep with a stuffed animal. Really?

1:10:49

Yeah. No,

1:10:51

his name is Lil Gouda. He's

1:10:53

a Squishmallow. I highly recommend a Squishmallow.

1:10:55

I love that. Little Gouda, that's

1:10:57

the official name. I wish I could

1:10:59

a picture. And

1:11:02

finally, Carly says, I'm an

1:11:04

elementary school music teacher. I have

1:11:06

one of those accordion folders

1:11:08

where I've kept every drawing and

1:11:11

paper, excuse me, and paper

1:11:13

gift that students have given me over

1:11:15

the years. I put them up

1:11:17

on the wall the day they're given. And at the

1:11:19

end of the school year, they go into the

1:11:21

folder. I love looking back at ones

1:11:23

from previous years while I put the newest

1:11:25

ones away. Specialist teachers are often

1:11:27

forgotten during gift giving times like

1:11:29

Christmas and teacher appreciation. So I

1:11:31

really do treasure every little card

1:11:33

and coloring book page I'm given.

1:11:36

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entrance to St. Mungo's features a

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mannequin that moves and articulates.

1:13:01

What is the name given to

1:13:03

the ambulatory mannequins? Meaning they

1:13:05

walk. In the first episode

1:13:07

of the 2005 Doctor Who

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revival, these were

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of course the Autons.

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The Autons driven by

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the Nestosine consciousness. I can't

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know about the little trash can robots.

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That's true, I think those are them. I

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learned joined up writing to submit this answer.

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Hilarious. It's a Fez. Fez is a cool. It's

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the last week of Lent and I

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can't wait to listen to Bunkercast again.

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Still waiting for Micah's cover of the

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mysterious... ticking noise from episode 276 when

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I first started listening. Team

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Frenchy from The Black Rock, The Chosen

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Sigma Love, and Tofu Tom.

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