0:17

Why Hi.

0:25

Guys, Seattle, Hi,

0:30

Hi, Seattle.

0:32

Are these microphones on? Can we no?

0:36

Can you hear us?

0:39

Me?

0:39

Me?

0:39

Me, me, me me? Yeah?

0:42

What's up Seattle?

0:50

Now?

0:50

I'm scared of that empty row? Who said the fucking

0:52

empty row lights

0:55

up? I want all those names? What'd

0:59

you say? Dead bodies?

1:03

The fucking Reserve families A real bunch of dicks,

1:05

that's for sure.

1:07

Crazy. Whose family is

1:09

that?

1:10

I don't know.

1:10

It's that it's Jim and Donna

1:12

Neptune and they always get fifteen

1:16

seats at every show that they do. Oh

1:19

my god, it's so good to be here with you, guys.

1:25

Oh this is so exciting.

1:26

We uh this is the very last

1:29

night of our weekend tour, first

1:32

tour ever.

1:33

Yes, our hair. We're

1:36

wrapping it down with Seattle,

1:39

thank god. That's for last

1:42

uh and just in time because we

1:44

thought it would be a good idea to

1:46

wear the same dresses for

1:49

the whole leg of the Western tour, so

1:54

you wouldn't cheer for it if you could smell

1:56

it.

1:58

These I love them. The going straight

2:00

into the hotel room trash. When I got home,

2:04

it's all filth.

2:05

Now it's all ruined. This

2:07

feels like a dress. When I first put it

2:09

on the first night, I was like, I'm a

2:11

gorgeous princess. And tonight I'm like I

2:14

feel like Harold's mother from Harold

2:16

and Mob. It feels

2:19

like gross polyester that

2:21

an old bitch would wear. And

2:23

I'm really mad at you

2:26

know, but pocket

2:30

what find

2:33

me, find me, find my light, find

2:35

me, follow me. Now

2:38

I can do this

2:40

with me, Like, guys,

2:43

you won't do it confuses

2:46

there, it is there, he is there, and

2:51

oh she

2:53

was just gonna keep going. There's someone

2:55

up there that's so mad right now,

3:01

Yeah, we should wear different dresses every night. Now,

3:04

I'm how about pants

3:06

and old shirts?

3:07

Okay, let's just wear whatever we want.

3:10

I'm not sure the dress thing may have been sarcastic

3:12

at first, and then now we have to like weirdly

3:14

commit to it like it's our chure and

3:16

we have to be fancy and theaters and it's

3:18

like, well you're not.

3:20

Yeah, ok here, guys,

3:22

yeah you know what. We just the night

3:25

that we did Seattle, we fucking decided

3:27

to wear whatever the fuck we wanted.

3:28

I'm gonna start I

3:30

feel that guy, feel that freedom, feel

3:33

it.

3:33

I'm so relieved. I'm never wearing a bra again.

3:38

Fucking just can't.

3:40

And I think I'm like past the point of not being

3:42

able to wear a bran anymore.

3:44

But I don't care how long.

3:46

Did that take? You

3:49

just made it.

3:50

I came home one Nay Infants was like, oh

3:53

where were you out? And your own

3:55

people. It's like he's like I can see through your shirt

4:00

that Like I don't care, but

4:02

I just fucking can't do it.

4:03

I mean, it's just I should

4:05

take it off anyways, Hi.

4:07

Hi, Yeah, you just went down

4:09

into a hole there.

4:10

Good bye. Shit.

4:12

But I shouldn't anyone ever thrown their bra into

4:14

the audience and not the audience throwing

4:16

their bra to the stage.

4:20

Maybe I bet they have, like once

4:22

a fourteen dollars target bra. Yeah

4:25

that smells so Karen.

4:29

I also, you can tell it's the end of the

4:31

tour because my fingernails

4:33

look like the ones Catherine Martin saw

4:35

and Buffalo Bill's well, what can

4:39

you see them? Good fucking I don't know what

4:41

I've been doing, but literally it's like I

4:43

look like I've been trying to climb my way out

4:45

of a murderer's basement.

4:48

That was a great reference, Like, I

4:50

really dig the you just

4:52

did.

4:52

Yeah, that's what I do for a living. Thank you.

4:56

Uh So you.

4:58

Texted me when we got to our hotel and you were like, and

5:01

I was like this hotel and you were like, I think it

5:03

used to be a hospital, and I'm not your joking.

5:06

And then I checked into my room and I think it used to be a hospital.

5:08

It used to be a hospital. Everybody.

5:11

It smells a little bit like a

5:13

haunted.

5:14

Bleach, and

5:17

like, yeah, there's a in

5:20

the bathroom.

5:21

The bathroom door has one of those like what's

5:23

like the ship windows. Yes,

5:26

that's round, and I think it's for like

5:28

to make sure your patient isn't like sneaking

5:30

drugs. Yeah, so like the nurse can

5:32

look in and hello, are you okay?

5:35

Don't shift yourself with that soap. It's

5:38

not allowed.

5:38

It's very rehabby. It's rehabby. This is

5:40

diet coke.

5:41

It's rehabby. There's

5:44

also there's kind of a feel

5:46

to it. I was sitting in there

5:48

typing as we like to do before shows,

5:51

and for a while

5:54

so that the lights kind of went dark and

5:56

I hadn't turned any lights on, and

5:58

then in the hallway a chi old screamed

6:00

and I almost. I was like, oh

6:03

my god, the bunk because

6:05

it doesn't there's no

6:07

carpeting.

6:08

I heard clonking upstairs and I was like, that'd be funny

6:10

if it was a ghost.

6:11

Yeah, but it's just there's

6:13

no carpeting.

6:14

But did you see there's a giant pillow on

6:16

the bed that says.

6:17

Sleep with Me.

6:18

And I'm like, oh, that's my sleep podcast

6:20

I listened to. So maybe they maybe

6:22

they're fans of that podcast. Insomniacs

6:26

here know what I'm talking about?

6:28

What what just.

6:29

The idea that your hotel would be like I

6:31

think I know what podcast she likes

6:35

sewing a pillow? When

6:38

did you make that reservation three days

6:40

ago? Sewing sewing all

6:42

night?

6:42

Staying there again?

6:45

I mean, we've been given weirder gifts.

6:46

Am I wrong? Uh?

6:49

So this is my favorite murder.

6:51

Hi everybody, thanks

6:54

for being here. You're you're

6:56

into it now now you like doing light stuff?

6:59

Okay?

7:00

Good to know.

7:01

That's so scary, like we can't really see anyone,

7:03

which is good because it's scary and it feels like when

7:05

like when like large Marge makes

7:08

her face all like when the lights

7:10

or no, when.

7:10

He has to like it's just one

7:13

one lady with a huge face

7:15

in the middle.

7:16

It's like, ah, fuck, I

7:18

don't I don't want to see that. I want to pretend

7:20

that this is not real. It's

7:24

fun, It's totally fun.

7:26

It's we're

7:29

in a fie ladies and gentlemen, we're in a fight. When

7:31

we were upstairs, there's a record

7:33

player and I put on the record that was there, which

7:36

was like a k Tell I think it was called

7:38

like Emotions or something, and

7:40

there was all these songs from the eighties that

7:42

were like every song from my junior high

7:45

dance and so I was kind of getting

7:47

like an acid stomach, and Georgia

7:50

was like doing something else, like it seemed like she wasn't paying

7:53

attention at all. And then all of a sudden,

7:55

there was a song on and it was sticks.

7:58

It was a stick song. I

8:00

can't remember what it was. And all of a sudden, George

8:02

snaps up and goes, what is this. She doesn't

8:05

even have a good voice.

8:09

It was so bad.

8:12

She suck made me feel like I was

8:14

in a grocery store, like a sad

8:16

grocery store.

8:18

Yo, sorry, sticks fans.

8:21

Just a ballad war singing

8:23

leg these that's

8:27

all it was. In the eighties. That's all we had.

8:29

No, I don't I

8:31

don't need that.

8:32

We wanted more.

8:33

We had Color Me Bad, just low dance

8:36

too. No, that's how

8:38

old I am. Oh yeah, I.

8:40

Was blackout drunk for Color Me Bad.

8:44

It's probably up.

8:44

Here a couple of times. Yeah, it was fun. Oh

8:47

this is the other. I didn't start out on the store wearing

8:49

these shoes with a dress. That probably wouldn't

8:51

be my first choice, but I was like, fuck

8:53

it, I can't do it anymore.

8:56

Yeah, I had like huge heels

8:59

for a while.

9:00

Heels on what that man?

9:01

Or? Who fuck? What

9:04

am I doing?

9:05

No offense?

9:09

What?

9:10

Yeah? What else?

9:13

Let's regroup, Let's just refocus.

9:16

I think we have.

9:18

We did a Vancouver show last night, which was I

9:20

think one guys.

9:22

Oh, that's right. There's a wagon train that

9:24

came down from Vancouver that said this show.

9:26

Now I think they're over there. Guess

9:28

what.

9:30

So at the end of the show, we were like, gonna

9:32

have some of these like to release and stuff

9:34

the live shows, and then they were like that didn't work.

9:36

We didn't get the recording. So that was an exclusive

9:38

show. So we're gonna be maybe tonight, you guys,

9:41

things will happen and this will be an exclusive show

9:43

too.

9:43

But yeah, they came to us after

9:45

and they're like, it just didn't record, and

9:48

we're just like, well,

9:50

it is a podcast, so

9:58

we'll just tell everybody about it. Yeah, so

10:00

if you get a call, we're gonna

10:02

be like episode fifty eight. Here's basically

10:05

how it went.

10:05

It was so good, so I

10:08

go, best show and then

10:10

George's like, then I'm like a

10:12

Canadian name wrong.

10:15

Oh my god, we were hilarious last night. Oh my

10:17

god, best we've ever been on our It was fucking incredible.

10:20

We've ever been.

10:21

Death jokes everything you

10:23

like, punts,

10:26

terrible puns and don't be fine evens

10:28

like.

10:29

Like you know, talking about Stephen all the

10:31

time.

10:31

We yelled at Stephen.

10:33

Yelled at Stephen a lot.

10:34

Did she see magical?

10:35

Someone a bunch of people on Instagram. I

10:37

wrote a thing about like that. It didn't record,

10:39

and everyone was like, Stephen, you had one.

10:41

Job comments like over

10:44

and over and over again.

10:45

It wasn't even there wasn't even there.

10:48

He was intently sitting

10:50

in Los Angeles stroking his own mustache,

10:54

and he's like, I'm sure he was, like, did I.

10:55

Do something wrong.

10:57

I guess you know what I probably did.

10:58

I probably did. I'm really sorry,

11:01

sweet little I love Kats, nice

11:03

Steven, God

11:06

blessed soul.

11:07

Yeah that's a great description of him.

11:09

Yeah.

11:12

Oh, the reserved are finally mister and missus reserved

11:14

are finally here.

11:15

So can

11:19

we get this.

11:26

Real quick?

11:27

Just real quick. It's my

11:29

cousin Danny.

11:33

No, come on, oh

11:35

my god?

11:38

Oh oh

11:40

oh no?

11:41

What if she tells him he's adopted? Here's

11:47

this time?

11:48

Come on, Danny, let's

11:50

see right here.

11:52

You think, guys.

11:56

Georgia, you think you're better than us? Hi?

11:58

God, how are you nice to me?

12:00

It's my cousin Danny Brown. He's the youngest

12:03

of all the cousins. Well,

12:05

Chris is the youngest, right, Chris is the youngest.

12:08

Oh you

12:12

know. Called said, hey, I'm going to be in Seattle

12:14

this weekend too, Can I come to your show?

12:17

And I said, beyond time?

12:23

Wait, will you really quickly tell the story.

12:25

So I don't know if any of you you probably aren't,

12:28

but if there are any San Francisco Giants fans

12:30

in the audience couple, then

12:36

there's problems.

12:37

I know.

12:38

So there's oh good, So do

12:41

you want to tell that story of when you you

12:43

got you were got to be famous

12:45

for fifteen minutes? Do

12:48

you want me to do it for you? And you can just chime in, you

12:51

do tell a better story than I do. Well, So

12:54

that was part of the genetics. I got

12:57

all the all of them. SONI

13:00

looks like Buster Posey, who is the catcher for the

13:02

San Francisco Giants quite a bit to

13:05

the point where right I didn't know that.

13:07

A man in the front said, yeah, you do, so

13:12

now we know it's true.

13:16

So Danny worked in at uh

13:18

it wasn't Campbellstick was it. It was his at and

13:21

T Park. He

13:23

worked at the park. Then one day

13:25

he was leaving and some little kids walked

13:27

up and they were like, oh my god, Buster Plose can we get an

13:29

autograph? And he's like, I'm not Buster Posey, And

13:31

then more people came up and after girl, so he

13:33

just started signing autographs.

13:37

I love it.

13:38

Ruined rookie cards.

13:42

Some guy like in fifty years goes to like he's

13:44

been saving it for his children for retirement,

13:47

and he goes to bring in and cash it in and they're like, this

13:49

is a fucking forge, dude.

13:51

Zero value.

13:52

Way to go.

13:53

The economy collapse. He's like, don't worry

13:55

about it. You've got this

13:57

thing.

13:57

Grandpa has got you.

13:59

All right, you can go. You know, have to stay up here, Danny

14:02

Brown, ladies and gentlemen.

14:05

Good job myself.

14:09

Now you're fine. You're fine.

14:12

We'll talk about it at Christmas.

14:15

I'm so glad that was your cousin.

14:17

That was

14:19

great.

14:20

It was just a person that I would have yelled at him anyway.

14:22

It's what I do. It's

14:25

my passion.

14:27

You you wear it well?

14:30

Thanks? Like this dress, like this goddamn

14:33

dress.

14:33

Should we talk about murders?

14:35

Should we talk about some murders?

14:36

Do you want to do that?

14:39

I wonder if one guy's like, oh, I didn't know that's

14:41

what they were.

14:43

Really, I'm not really into that.

14:44

No, thank you?

14:45

Actually, like, why would anyone want to

14:47

talk about murder?

14:49

Keep talking about your clogs. That's what we

14:51

really I really love

14:53

clogg cast clog No

14:59

Dan Scope present the clock cast.

15:02

Do not steal that.

15:03

No, it's copywritten our

15:06

lawyers in the reserve section, and that's writing

15:09

everything down.

15:09

He'll be here in forty five minutes.

15:17

I think, what do you want to go first? You want me to go first.

15:19

Well I went first last night.

15:20

Okay, then I'm gonna go first.

15:22

Yeah, we're off. We're off

15:24

a little bit.

15:24

Yeah, someone someone gave

15:26

us while they were at the show.

15:28

They gave us a little rock and it says

15:31

K on one side and G on the other, and they

15:33

said you can just flip it whenever you want to.

15:35

Know who's going to go first, and was like pretty

15:37

brilliant.

15:38

I thought they could have done that on

15:40

a quarter.

15:41

Yeah.

15:42

Now we have to carry around a big rock, so

15:45

thank you. It's pretty It's like thanks,

15:48

yeah, a good sized rock.

15:53

Okay, this one, okay, this is

15:55

what I said this to my therapist in last

15:57

week. Last week in therapy because I'm bad at

15:59

this. I'm cry just

16:01

want.

16:02

During this murder?

16:03

Uh huh?

16:04

If you do, will you walk up stage and like really

16:06

I mean downstage and really like give

16:08

it to the people, look up to the y. Could

16:10

we get a pin spot if she starts crying?

16:12

Oh I know, I'm bugging

16:15

you, but I.

16:16

Didn't know that what that was.

16:17

Yeah, all right, because I saw

16:19

a document about this, like this is probably one of

16:21

my like really young murders,

16:24

you know, like young is in like early teenage.

16:26

I know, you know, I

16:30

saw a documentary about it. It fucking ruined

16:32

me. It made me feel so awful. It's always stuck

16:34

with me, partly because for ten years

16:36

it was a cold case, which you know, I'm obsessed with.

16:39

And so it's one of those like big things that have

16:41

no answers and you always, you know, think

16:43

about it and imagine what could happen, and then when

16:45

you.

16:45

Find out it gets solved, it's.

16:47

Just so pointless and

16:49

empty. It doesn't feel better, you know. So

16:52

this is the story of me as a PoTA.

16:55

Yeah, Seattle's fucking

16:58

yeah, I might cry, Okay.

17:01

So.

17:02

Mia Zapata is born in

17:04

August of nineteen sixty five. She's raised

17:06

in Louisville, Kentucky, and

17:09

she was always obsessed with music. She learned

17:11

to play the guitar and piano at nine years old.

17:14

She would listen to punk and

17:16

jazz and everything in between. She just was obsessed

17:18

with music. And

17:21

she had a voice like a jazz singer. It was like Janice

17:23

Choplin's voice. It was amazing. And then in

17:25

nineteen eighty four she goes away to college

17:28

in Yellow Springs, Ohio to study liberal

17:30

arts, and in

17:32

nineteen eighty six, she meets three

17:35

friends and they start a band. It's Steve

17:37

Moriarty, Matt dread Dresner,

17:40

and Joe Spleen. They formed the punk band that Gets

17:44

Yes Yeah and

17:46

So Matt, who was a member of the

17:48

Gets, said that I went to many

17:51

shows where afterwards people didn't even know I was

17:53

on stage because their eyes were so

17:55

transfixed on Mia because she just had

17:57

this amazing, amazing stage presence.

18:00

He said.

18:00

She was like a blue singer fronting a punk band.

18:03

And then in nineteen eighty eight, they recorded their

18:05

and self released their unofficial debut

18:08

album called Private Lubes Loves

18:10

Lovesbs.

18:13

What the fuck?

18:17

I wish this was Champagne and it's

18:20

not. And

18:22

then and then in nineteen eighty nine, the

18:24

band relocates to Seattle.

18:28

Here you are because there's this

18:30

huge music scene that you guys have all heard of

18:32

all the time, and.

18:33

It's just kind of getting big.

18:34

Yeah.

18:35

Did you guys know that you had a music.

18:36

Did you know that people like music and they came here

18:39

to make it?

18:39

Who knew?

18:40

I thought it was just la

18:41

uh. So

18:45

Mea gets a job at a local trashy dive

18:47

bar, which I bet is a fucking like classy

18:49

cocktail bar with fourteen dollars drinks

18:51

at this point, right local

18:54

trashy dive bar. It was down the street

18:56

from a mental hospital which she.

18:58

Loves, which is our hotel.

19:01

Dude, dude, it's true.

19:04

I believe it.

19:04

I'm not kidding. I'm gonna look it up on I.

19:07

Think you're right.

19:09

MIA's described as someone who commanded

19:12

respect and interest immediately,

19:15

and she and the band members move into an abandoned

19:17

house they called the Rat House and Capitol

19:19

Hill district where the band rehearsed

19:22

and lived, and they

19:25

earned a huge.

19:25

Following in the local scene.

19:27

They have met a lot of friends and they kind of just

19:29

like Mesh right into the local punk scene

19:32

in the community. And let's

19:35

see. So, MIA's described as

19:37

funny and kind. She love meeting new people.

19:40

She would help friends recover from drug

19:42

addiction. She took in homeless acquaintances,

19:45

and she helped a lot of people through various

19:48

crisis. She was a really open and kind person.

19:51

Everyone said she was really funny and always

19:53

joking and shy, but a really

19:55

good friend. So during the nineties,

19:58

buzz begins to surround the g and

20:01

they release a bunch of singles on local

20:03

independent record labels. They're known for their like

20:06

powerful driving music, you know, like punk,

20:08

with these amazing lyrical poetic

20:11

lyrics, lyrical poetic

20:13

lyrics. And

20:17

then in ninety two they

20:19

release their official debut album,

20:21

Frenching the Bully, and they

20:24

their reputation gets even bigger in the Seattle

20:27

scene and they begin to work on their second album

20:29

called Enter the Conquering Chicken, which

20:32

is titled after MIA's chicken

20:34

tattoo which it represents

20:36

her childhood nicknamed chicken legs, which

20:39

is adorable. Ninety

20:41

three, Atlantic Records offers a single to the

20:43

get or offers to sign the gets, and they set

20:45

up a national tour. And Mia

20:47

was never really into the idea of getting really famous,

20:50

and she all she said she wanted to do is get

20:52

a cabin in the woods, an old jeep

20:54

and a shot and a sheep dog to write

20:56

shotgun.

20:57

Did it sound like I was going to say in a shot gun

21:00

to shoot.

21:01

Cheap dogs, where

21:04

everybody has a dream, where you get to

21:06

have whatever you want as your dreams.

21:08

Spreading false rumors. I know that's

21:10

her favorite murder. It's not right, No,

21:13

So just days before the tour

21:16

is about to start. On July seventh,

21:18

ninety ninety three, Mia

21:20

leaves one of her regular hangs,

21:22

the Comet Tavern in Capitol

21:25

Hill, which

21:27

we're all.

21:28

Going to meet at.

21:28

Afterwards, she's

21:31

looking for her boyfriend but couldn't find him,

21:34

and then goes to visit a friend named

21:36

Tracy, and Tracy says that

21:38

that night she was really agitated

21:41

and distracted, and Tracy

21:43

urged her to stay the night at her

21:45

house, but Mia said she would just take a cab home.

21:47

She wanted to leave.

21:49

I think she was upset with her boyfriend because

21:51

he wasn't around. And this

21:54

is the last time that Mia seen alive. She

21:57

They think she walked a few blocks the

22:00

direction of her place or went a different

22:02

way, just kind of liked to wander the city. And

22:07

either way, an employee at the Commet

22:09

remembers her wearing her headset as she left,

22:12

so it's thought that she was listening to music

22:14

in her walkman, and so wasn't kind

22:16

of paying attention to her

22:18

surroundings and not listening and didn't

22:20

hear I mean, not much. What a fucking we don't'll do anything anyways,

22:23

Like if she hears someone, she can you know, whatever,

22:25

okay. And

22:27

then at three point twenty, a

22:29

sex worker discovers MIA's body

22:32

in the hundred on the one hundred block of

22:34

twenty fourth Avenue South, which

22:37

is in the Central District drisject of Seattle,

22:39

and it's kind of known as a seedy neighborhood at

22:42

the time. And she's found in

22:44

the street on her back with her arms outstretched

22:47

and her legs straight and crossed, and

22:49

she had been beaten and strangled with

22:52

the cord of her sweatshirt, which was a gits

22:54

sweatshirt, which is like that.

22:56

And then I'm gonna cry, and

22:58

she had been raised, although the police kept

23:01

that part out like from the

23:03

public for years.

23:06

I'm not sure why.

23:08

Then, Oh,

23:15

Karen, you just can't turn that page.

23:18

I don't want to.

23:19

We just have to stop the show, okay.

23:22

So it's thought that she encounters

23:24

her attacker around two point fifteen in

23:26

the morning, and that she had been killed somewhere else

23:28

and then transported to the location

23:31

where her body is found. And

23:33

it's about two miles from the studio

23:35

where her body was found where she had been, and

23:38

it's on a dead end street, and the cops

23:40

don't think she had been murdered where

23:42

she was found. They thought that someone brought her to

23:44

the location when after she was dead, and.

23:46

There was like there's many theories

23:48

of what could have happened.

23:50

She told her friends she was taking a cab home, so

23:52

they thought that maybe one of the drivers had

23:54

picked her up that night, and so they looked into

23:56

all of them to see if anyone had picked her up,

23:58

and nobody had. And then

24:01

a man had heard a horrifying scream,

24:03

he said when he was at home

24:06

near the reservoir, which ended up think three

24:08

miles from where she was found, and

24:10

so they thought maybe she could have walked towards

24:12

the reservoir that way, which is where he heard the scream,

24:15

and he ran outside. He heard this scream

24:17

and it was so awful that he ran outside.

24:20

The only person that was ever seriously questioned

24:23

was as a suspect was me as boyfriend, and

24:25

they were in the process of breaking up,

24:27

and he was described even by his friends

24:30

as scary. Yeah,

24:32

but he passes two light detector

24:34

tests and gives hair and blood

24:37

samples.

24:37

He shows up for every appointment.

24:38

He's super cooperative, and he has

24:41

a solid alibi, so he's cleared.

24:43

And then the police have no suspects

24:45

to question at that point, they

24:47

didn't have a crime scene or witnesses, and

24:50

so the case went cold.

24:52

And after her murder.

24:53

Seattle's music community, including Nirvana

24:56

and Joan Jet, helped raise seventy

24:58

thousand dollars to hire a private and go investigator

25:00

for three years via

25:03

benefit concerts.

25:04

So yeah, it's pretty fucking rab so.

25:07

Meanwhile, police think that

25:09

Mia had been killed by a random

25:11

killer. Some people think that, and

25:14

many people in the punk rock community thought that

25:16

she had been killed by someone that she knows,

25:18

and I remember believing that for so

25:20

long when after I had heard about it, and

25:24

some people thought she that whoever killed her

25:26

hadn't been acting alone because she was posed

25:28

in this christ like pose, that someone

25:31

had carried her feet and someone had carried her arms and

25:33

then left her there.

25:35

And then also.

25:35

People thought it might be a serial killer because of the

25:37

ritualistic pose, and also a cup

25:39

from her bra was missing, so they thought

25:41

maybe that the serial killer had taken it as a souvenir.

25:45

The private investigator funds end up drying

25:47

up with no major breaks in the case,

25:49

and the investigator, the private investigator

25:52

lee heron she just continues to

25:54

investigate on her own because

25:56

she's obsessed with it, which is pretty fucking cool.

25:59

Then in ninety eight, after five years

26:01

of investigation, Seattle

26:04

police say that they're no closer to solving the case

26:06

than they were right after the murder.

26:08

And for ten years there's.

26:10

This crazy suspicion and accusation

26:12

and fear throughout this whole

26:14

Seattle community. Everyone is

26:17

just wondering who this can be, and it's gonna happen again

26:19

because there's no there's no rhyme or reason.

26:22

Then ten years later, in two thousand and three,

26:24

the Seattle Police test DNA

26:27

against the national database, which they had

26:29

tried in two thousand and one and had no results.

26:31

But this time there was a match.

26:34

A man who had recently even forced to

26:36

submit DNA in the database

26:38

when he was arrested in Florida for burglary

26:40

and domestic abuse in two thousand and two

26:43

is match to the DNA found at the scene,

26:45

specifically the saliva from the bitemarks

26:47

on MIA's chest, which

26:50

thank god, they fucking collected that in might like ninety

26:52

three. You know, heyeseus

26:55

Mezkia, he's forty eight, he's

26:58

from he's a Cuban native who lives in Floor

27:00

to Keys. He didn't know Mia at all,

27:02

but he lived just three blocks from

27:04

where her body had been found. Askia

27:07

is this huge, hulking

27:09

man. I mean, if you see video of

27:12

him, he's a giant.

27:14

And he has a history of violence

27:16

and sexual assault against women. He was a drifter

27:19

in the nineties and he spent time in Seattle

27:21

where there was a report

27:23

of a decent exposure filed against

27:26

him, and it had happened near the Comet Theater

27:28

within weeks of when MIAs when

27:30

he had been killed, but

27:32

there was no no links to the two of them, so it was just a

27:35

random attack, which is fucking crazy. He

27:37

never testified in his own defense and still

27:40

maintains his fucking innocence. And

27:42

the theory is that he saw her leave the bar

27:45

and followed her before he attacked

27:47

her and drags

27:50

her into his car assaults her in the back

27:52

seat. He's convicted in

27:54

two thousand and four and sentenced to thirty

27:56

seven years initially, which

27:58

doesn't seem like an right, and

28:02

he appeals and then he's

28:04

sentenced to thirty six years instead.

28:08

Just like, Okay, what the

28:10

fuck?

28:11

Like I

28:14

just don't even I am sorry.

28:17

And he's been in prison since two thousand and three,

28:19

is still alive, and this

28:22

is her dad said, you

28:25

don't realize what forever is.

28:27

You drive your daughter to school, tell your

28:29

wife have a good day, I'll see you later. But

28:31

you see, you'll be together at the end of the

28:33

day. But then something happens, and forever

28:36

is forever. It doesn't matter what you do,

28:38

how you do it, how I pray, how

28:41

I wish, Nothing on earth is going to bring

28:43

me back. That's

28:46

that.

28:47

That's awful.

28:49

It is, I know.

28:51

I mean, I remember seeing that one. I think there's a

28:53

forensic files of it because right

28:56

because I just remember seeing it because every

28:58

forensic files that that old

29:00

guy narrator, it was always like these

29:03

random people and suddenly he's talking

29:05

about like the punk scene in Seattle.

29:08

Hearing that guy talk about it, I

29:11

don't know it was it was it was like bone

29:14

chilling where it's just like, fuck, this is really a

29:16

real thing that happened. It's not like

29:18

something that happens to someone in you

29:20

know, Idaho. It's like something you

29:22

can't connect with, Like that's

29:26

that wasn't a judgment. I'm just trying to pick a

29:28

random state.

29:29

Something we have, not like you know, someone's mom,

29:31

like a mom. I can't identify

29:33

with that except I'm a mom, but I'm not one. But yeah,

29:36

it was like they showed footage on the forensic

29:38

files at like the Punk Show, and it was like, oh, I've

29:40

fucking been to those things.

29:42

Well I fucking walked drunk away

29:44

from a one thousand bars.

29:46

So it's just that chilling feeling of like.

29:48

Fuck alone with headphones in Jesus.

29:51

Yeah, it's so that's really sad.

29:55

Well, bye, take

29:58

it away, Karen, and I

30:00

really set you up for failure, didn't I Nope.

30:05

You want to know why?

30:06

Why?

30:07

Because I'm doing Ted Bundy. I

30:14

mean.

30:16

Right, like, that's.

30:21

Come on.

30:23

This is.

30:26

This is how we do it, fucking

30:30

dropping it and picking it back on.

30:32

Fucking like, what is this?

30:34

Here's something meaningful. Now here's

30:36

a super monster. Right, here's

30:39

your hometown super monster. Congratulations

30:42

to go.

30:44

I'm not gonna cry on this one.

30:46

No, no, no, well uh but

30:48

I am glad you did that. I think that

30:50

that means a lot.

30:51

Those two nice. Yeah, this is a nice little

30:54

This is a nice pairing.

30:56

What are we talking about?

30:58

What is this? This is a fucking cheese

31:01

and charcooterie.

31:02

Player did

31:09

here's a funny thing. When I was looking

31:11

up this stuff, uh

31:14

someone he on one page they said

31:17

Ted Bundy, sometimes

31:19

known as the co Ed Killer, sometimes

31:22

known as the Angel of Decay.

31:24

What that sounds

31:26

like a dentist, like

31:30

a golf dentist.

31:31

Yeah, yeah,

31:35

what if there's a dentist serial killer, then

31:37

that's what that is. I mean, they're already

31:39

so horrible. I mean, I've

31:42

never heard Ted Bundy called the Angel of Decay.

31:44

This never happens.

31:45

I feel like that was like a weird u

31:47

r L link and they just went to someone someone's

31:50

weird poetry page.

31:51

It's like, no, that's not don't

31:54

click on that.

31:55

But as probably many of you have

31:58

already know and have already read,

32:00

one of my favorite crime writers is Anne Rule

32:03

and write. She's

32:05

just like she's the fucking Stephen King

32:07

of true crime. It's crazy. She

32:10

churned it out for years and years. God

32:12

bless her soul and her story.

32:15

I wish here if this, if I

32:17

had all the time in the world and I could

32:19

really fucking here's what I would do. I

32:21

would now clear the

32:23

stage. I would put on

32:25

an Ann Rule costume, and I would do a one

32:27

woman show called

32:30

The Stranger Beside Me.

32:31

Yeah, I'd fucking say in

32:34

the audience and yell.

32:36

It would be like fuck you, i'detes

32:41

as real loud.

32:44

That would because her story. So if

32:46

you don't know, Anne Rule was a crime writer

32:49

who in the seventies had

32:51

been a cop and had

32:53

become like a crime beat reporter,

32:57

among other things. I think she still worked

32:59

in the police department also in some other ways,

33:01

but she also volunteered at a

33:03

suicide prevention hotline

33:05

and that is where she met the

33:08

amazing mister Ted Bundy. She

33:10

worked side by side with him

33:13

on the night shift at a suicide

33:16

hotline, and

33:18

she he was a close friend. And

33:20

she used to like to say if she was

33:22

ten years younger or her daughters

33:25

were fifteen years older, she

33:27

thought he was the perfect man.

33:29

This is why you never let your mom set you up

33:31

with any but your mom.

33:34

Yet, next time she tries say guess what,

33:36

mom, Yeah, don't pull that,

33:38

Anne ruleshit on me, mom,

33:41

Eric from your office could be a serial killer.

33:45

Also, I just love this is my favorite

33:47

kind. My favorite kind

33:50

is the ones who like wear like fair

33:52

Isle sweaters and like hey,

33:54

I'd love to treat you to a bottle of shablee

33:57

or where you're like, I never

33:59

saw I've never and

34:01

that he is so that way that

34:04

even this woman, who like

34:07

herself had studied psychology, was

34:10

had been a coop all these things, did

34:12

not see it, didn't see it. Over

34:14

and over again, even when the like the

34:17

evidence was piling up in front of her face,

34:19

she'd still be like, it can't be him. It's that's

34:21

crazy. It isn't him.

34:24

I just can't imagine. I mean, I guess today is different

34:26

these days, but fucking fuck.

34:29

But I think it's also you know,

34:31

it's also a tribute to his insane,

34:35

like you know, whatever

34:37

he was. I like to say, my favorite

34:39

one to say is psychopath, but who

34:42

really knows what that means.

34:43

Not me get offended, some.

34:46

Get offended, Some just want me to be

34:48

accurate. I

34:51

think he was a sexual, sadist psychopath.

34:54

Yeah, I think so. I

34:57

think he enjoyed.

34:58

He really got off to one minute. I feel like that was

35:00

part of his enjoyment. Is just

35:03

living in playing sight.

35:05

And manipulating people. And he

35:07

he was really quite something. All right,

35:09

let's talk about to do it? So uh

35:16

so his mother, Louise

35:18

Cowell. Uh. This is how he started

35:21

life. His mother got pregnant out

35:23

of wedlock, so he

35:25

was raised to believe that his grandparents

35:27

were his parents and his mother was his sister. That's

35:30

fine, it's fine.

35:35

George Clooney. It didn't turn him into a serial

35:37

killer.

35:37

Is it, George Cloinney?

35:39

No? Is it.

35:42

That it was fucking

35:44

naming people rumors

35:47

I'm spreading. It did not affect Brad

35:49

Pitt one bit.

35:52

What's the problem with someone? I swear.

35:56

Someone's yelling some famous person?

35:57

Yes, someone tell.

35:59

Me Bobby play

36:02

Oh, George

36:04

Clooney from.

36:08

Jack Nichols, thank you, yes, Joy

36:10

Elson? Is that right?

36:11

Yes? Are you just picking one?

36:13

Where to God? That's when I met Okay,

36:15

same fucking thing, those two.

36:17

He did fine with this, exactly a

36:20

psychopath, although the shining all right.

36:24

There were also rumors that his grandfather,

36:27

who was he was raised to believe was

36:29

his father, was actually his

36:32

father. But

36:35

that's just gossip. Stop gossiping

36:37

about by God. So

36:41

he graduated from Woodrow Wilson High School

36:43

in Tacoma in nineteen sixty five. Willis

36:48

the Fighting Murderers, and

36:52

he won a scholarship to the University of Huget

36:55

Sound. After two semesters, he transferred to the

36:57

University of Washington.

37:01

A bunch of fucking educated listeners in this

37:03

audience. I know they love school,

37:07

how about And then they didn't go to college.

37:09

Wow. Then

37:12

they went for a year and a half, stopped going

37:14

to class. Then just they thought

37:16

they could hide the report card.

37:18

Yeah, and

37:21

then just signed up for class so they could get their

37:23

mom's health insurance.

37:24

Yeah.

37:25

Alright, sorry, I've interrupted you.

37:28

Okay. After

37:32

two semesters, he transferred to the University of

37:34

Washington, and there he meets Stephanie

37:36

Brooks, which is a pseudonym. I didn't know

37:39

that for a long time. Makes me really mad.

37:41

I always thought her name was Stephanie Brooks. That's

37:43

a pseudonym. Stephanie was a beautiful girl from

37:45

a wealthy California family. They dated

37:48

for a year. Ted is way more

37:50

into her than she is into him, and

37:52

eventually she graduates, she moves back home

37:54

to her parents' house in California, and she breaks

37:56

up with him, and she tells him upon

37:59

breaking up with him that he's immature and

38:01

he lacks ambition. And

38:04

I'm sure that that went overwhelm with ted.

38:07

He's like, thank

38:09

you, Stephanie, I

38:12

appreciate your candor and

38:16

I'll take it into consideration.

38:20

No ambition, eh, watch

38:22

this.

38:23

So

38:27

So, then in nineteen sixty nine, right after

38:29

that happens, he decides he's going to go back

38:32

to his birthplace, Burlington, Vermont,

38:34

visit his family. That's where

38:36

he finds out he's illegitimate.

38:39

Oh but anyway,

38:43

here's some maple syrup. So

38:48

he comes on back to Seattle this

38:50

spring in his step and

38:53

a thirst for blood. So

39:01

he comes back from that trip really knuckles

39:03

down and becomes a big Republican.

39:08

Why is that the weirdest That's

39:11

like the weirdest twist for me. Yeah, not that.

39:14

Oh isn't that a fun twist? Huh?

39:16

He was like, I know what's gonna impress Stephanie.

39:19

I'm gonna get into politics.

39:21

I watched this.

39:22

Watch me wear a red and white striped tie. Stephanie,

39:24

goddamn it. So

39:27

he runs the

39:29

Seattle campaign office for Nelson

39:31

Rockefeller's presidential run. Who

39:35

I know, he

39:37

did a great job. So

39:44

then he returned to the University of Washington. He

39:46

becomes a psychology major and

39:48

an honor student, and he meets

39:50

a woman named Liz Kendall, who then

39:53

becomes his girlfriend. He graduates from

39:55

UW in nineteen seventy two with a

39:57

dream psychology, and that

40:00

summer he goes on a business trip to

40:02

California and he meets up

40:04

with Stephanie Brooks just to say, Hi, Hey,

40:06

what's going on? I just want to check

40:08

in and see how you are? Catch

40:11

up? What have you been up to down here? What this

40:17

time? Oh? I wrote this time as a motivated

40:19

Republican psychology grad student

40:21

with some amazing sweaters. So

40:27

they get they actually get back

40:29

together. He gets back together with her

40:32

and they date for a year.

40:33

His poor girl, real girlfriend at home is

40:35

like he said, he was just gonna have fucking Margarita's

40:37

with her.

40:39

Neither of them knew about each other. Yeah,

40:42

So he gets back together with Stephanie Brooks,

40:44

dates her very seriously for a year, is

40:46

very romantic, is very lovely. At the

40:48

end of the year, he proposes marriage.

40:51

She says yes, and two weeks

40:54

later he breaks up with her and will

40:56

not return her calls whoa so

40:59

what did he? That was a he fucking

41:01

vengeance? Dated proposed to her.

41:05

If he wasn't Ted Bundy, I'd be like,

41:07

fuck, yeah you did, But.

41:08

No really shines

41:11

a light on that behavior, doesn't it. It's

41:13

very very destructive behavior, ambitious,

41:16

cruel behavior.

41:18

I do.

41:18

I do like it, though I love it.

41:21

I mean's I.

41:22

Can think of like four different people. It's been amazing

41:25

to do that too. You make them refall

41:27

in love with you, and you're like, later

41:30

days, oh fuck yourself,

41:33

Peace out to you and your family.

41:35

Remember when I was wearing this outfit, remember

41:37

this helpit?

41:39

Yeah, uh okay, so

41:44

then, uh,

41:46

Stephanie's devastated. This is what I wrote,

41:48

and it's tasteless. Stephanie's devastated, and

41:51

as she weeps, her long brunette

41:53

hair covers her face evenly on

41:55

both sides. That's

41:58

right, because it's part of down the middle. Remember

42:00

that, remember that for later.

42:02

Isn't that where it starts? Nope, I'm not right.

42:04

Forgot freeze that make it just

42:06

paint a picture in your mind. You're gonna want to look back at

42:08

it later.

42:09

Post it posted it post because.

42:11

Almost immediately after all of

42:13

those events, Ted's murderous

42:16

rampage begins. And when I say murderous

42:18

rampage, I'm talking about

42:21

like five pages of

42:23

eleven point font rampage

42:25

shit, so

42:28

let's blaze through this.

42:29

Get comfy everyone.

42:31

Shortly after midnight on January fifth, nineteen

42:34

seventy four, Ted Bundy breaks into the

42:36

basement apartment of eighteen year old Joni

42:38

Lenz, also a pseudonym, and bludgeons

42:40

her with a metal rod from her own bedframe,

42:43

sexually assaults her with a speculum,

42:45

and leaves her for dead. She

42:48

is found by her roommates the next day in a

42:50

pool of blood in a coma,

42:53

and she survives but has permanent brain

42:55

damage. One month later, Ted

42:57

Bundy breaks into the room of UW stud and

43:00

his cousin's roommate, Linda Ann

43:02

Healy. He knocks her unconscious, dresses

43:05

her and jeans and a T shirt, wraps her in

43:07

a sheet, and carries her away. That's

43:09

on February first. Now

43:12

female co eds start disappearing at the rate

43:14

of one a month. They're

43:17

all young and slender, with long

43:20

brown hair parted down the middle.

43:22

In March, Donna Gail manson, what'd

43:24

you say?

43:25

I remember that? Now? Yeah?

43:26

You remember from It was like only three

43:28

paragraphs I remember. In

43:34

March, Donna Gail Manson, a nineteen

43:36

year old student at Evergreen College in Olympia

43:38

is kidnapped and murdered.

43:40

Don't be fucking cheering.

43:41

That's it's

43:44

a wonderful arts college

43:46

actually, where you get to give yourself your

43:48

own grades. It's real like fucking

43:50

a lot of this and a lot of this

43:53

and then yes,

43:55

mom, yes no, I am learning a ton. Thank

43:58

you, thanks for the health insurance things for

44:00

calling during my acid trip

44:02

anyhow. In

44:08

April, Susan Rancourt disappears

44:10

from the campus of Central Washington State College

44:13

in Ellensburg. The same night, right

44:17

the same night, another female student reports

44:19

being approached by a man in a cast

44:22

asking for help carrying a stack of

44:24

books to his Volkswagen Beetle.

44:26

Here we go right.

44:28

Two other co eds tell the same story

44:30

from three nights earlier. In

44:32

May, Kathy Parks disappears from Oregon

44:34

State campus in Corvallis.

44:36

It's really weird.

44:37

I feel like you should be omitting the college

44:40

names.

44:41

Poor Oregon State. They're just like

44:44

we've got to represent and

44:47

they know what's coming. It was like four

44:49

said people up there, we

44:55

love the middle of Oregon too. On

45:01

June first, Brenda Ball leaves the Flame

45:03

Tavern in Burian and is never

45:05

seen again.

45:08

In Berrien.

45:10

Borian hoogars.

45:17

I mean, seriously, seriously.

45:21

The fact that you knew the geography of where the middle

45:23

of Oregon was. I was impressed, so

45:27

fine bileyen.

45:31

Ten days later, in the early morning hours of June

45:33

eleventh, UW student George

45:35

Anne Hawkins is last seen leaving her

45:37

boyfriend's dorm to take the short

45:40

walk back down the alley to her sorority

45:42

house. They say it was fifty yards

45:44

from his door to her door,

45:47

but she never arrives. Witnesses tell

45:49

the police they see a man in a leg

45:51

cast struggling to carry a briefcase the

45:54

night before. One student reports

45:56

the man asked her to help him carry

45:58

the briefcase back to his Volkswagen

46:00

Beetle. No, if a man ever

46:03

asks you to help him carry a briefcase.

46:07

We've talked about this, women

46:10

and children. If men ask

46:12

you for directions, children, no,

46:15

they don't.

46:17

Want adults don't need your help, children

46:19

no. And

46:22

men who can't carry their own suitcases

46:24

don't get to have I mean briefcases,

46:26

don't get to have briefcases. Yep, that's

46:28

just part of it. It's a good rule. If you've

46:30

injured your arm. Then you don't get to carry your briefcase.

46:33

Sorry, important businessman, put a backpack

46:35

on. Take a break.

46:39

This brings us to July seventeenth, nineteen

46:42

seventy four. This is the part where when I

46:44

was reading a stranger beside me this, I couldn't

46:46

stop reading this chapter over and over because

46:48

it's so fucking fucked up. So

46:51

Lake's Samimish

46:55

Samish.

46:57

I mean, they should spell it phonetically

47:00

on Wikipedia if they want podcasters

47:02

to announce it correctly. Lake

47:05

Samamish State Park in Issaqua.

47:12

You guys are you're not getting easily

47:15

impressed.

47:15

I mean, fucking

47:19

what a job we have.

47:20

I mean, it's

47:22

ridiculous.

47:23

This is like like reverse kindergarten.

47:26

Basically, this is like a spelling

47:28

beast that like, you just can't loot.

47:31

Everyone wins, everyone gets a ribbon.

47:32

That's right, I'm into

47:34

it. Okay, So

47:38

at Lake, well shit, I forgot already Samamish

47:41

Samish.

47:45

Uh.

47:47

It's a beautiful holiday weekend. Uh,

47:50

and tons of people are there. You

47:52

know, when it's sunny up here, you guys go batshit.

47:55

It's like all this sudden

47:57

everybody's wearing the smallest base

48:00

suit they can find. Like fucking standing

48:02

around at a man made lake. So

48:07

this there's actually pictures online, you can look

48:09

this up. It's so packed on this

48:12

day, there's like there's just people

48:14

standing like shoulder to shoulder. It's

48:16

unbelievable. And that day,

48:19

two women, Janis At and Denise

48:21

Naslin, both disappear without a trace

48:23

in the middle of the day. So

48:26

eight witnesses tell police they saw a handsome

48:29

young man named Ted what he's

48:31

used, he doesn't use a pseudonym,

48:35

with his arm in a sling, and he and

48:37

five of them are women who he asked for

48:39

help unloading his sailboat from

48:41

his Volkswagen. So

48:44

one woman actually went with him and

48:46

as she's walking up to the volkswagen, she's

48:49

like, they're in a sailboat over

48:51

here, and

48:53

she was all by good for her.

48:56

Three witnesses said that they saw Janis

48:58

Ought speaking to that same man. They saw

49:00

her leave with him, and then four

49:02

hours later Naslin disappears.

49:05

Wow, he came back.

49:07

He fucking killed Janie

49:09

Aunt up in like the

49:12

hills about a mile away,

49:14

Oh my god, and then came back

49:16

to get another woman. He is

49:18

in a full on fucking psychotic

49:21

frenzy. Yeah, but meanwhile,

49:23

all like he's they said. The

49:25

witnesses describe him as having

49:27

kind of a clipped, slightly British

49:30

accent, So can you out he's like

49:32

fucking he's like a werewolf rampaging.

49:34

And then he like wipes it all off and turns

49:36

around. It's like, hello, do you mind,

49:40

I've got to say a boat over here.

49:42

I can't. I can't get

49:44

it off my

49:50

go on. I was a theater manger. Okay,

49:55

So the police distribute flyers.

49:57

Also, there's a there's two comparative pictures.

49:59

Then next weekend at that lake, nobody's

50:03

there. Nobody's

50:05

there. That's hilarious.

50:06

Theikini's away.

50:07

Yeah, that's right. So the

50:09

police distribute flyers. They hold a press conference

50:11

describing the man witnessed. Ted

50:14

Bundy's girlfriend, his psychology

50:16

professor, and his

50:18

suicide prevention coworker and crime writer

50:20

and Rule all call the police

50:23

and give his name, No, yes,

50:26

and and Rule. In the book she talks about

50:28

it where she calls and says, this is crazy

50:31

and I mean it's probably not him. But

50:33

the thing is that he does have a gold volkswagon.

50:37

His name is Ted.

50:39

And and he has no

50:41

sailboat.

50:45

It can't be denied. Here's

50:47

total lack of voting. Uh

50:55

oh, okay, so oh, because they also

50:57

gave his physical description, so basically

51:00

just staring all of them in the face and they're like, I

51:02

know, I mean, could

51:04

it be no, But

51:08

it also must be really weird because she talks about in

51:10

the book that he was so empathetic and he would

51:12

talk to people. He would talk people off killing

51:16

themselves. Four hours. He would stay on the phone.

51:18

He was so empathetic, like he had

51:20

the most amazing mask that he would

51:23

wear. He was living the ultimate

51:25

double life. It's fucking nuts. Okay. So

51:30

Ted Bundy killed both of those women within

51:33

hours of each other, and both of those

51:36

murders were so brutal that when their

51:38

skeletal remains were found a mile

51:40

from that lake, there were only bone fragments

51:43

left and up there

51:45

with them. When they found those skeletal

51:47

remains, they also found the remains of George

51:49

Anne Hawkins, and

51:52

then just east of there on Taylor Mountain.

51:54

In nineteen seventy five, the partial

51:56

skeletal remains of the rest of the missing

51:58

women were found. Heale, Susan

52:00

Rancourt, Kathy Parks, and Brenda Ball

52:03

and Bundy claimed that Donna Manson was

52:05

also buried there, but no remains of her have

52:07

ever been found. So he basically had

52:10

these two dumping grounds and he

52:12

used to go visit them.

52:15

I don't know how he fucking found the time,

52:17

but it was like among all

52:19

the other bullshit that he was doing. Then he would

52:21

drive up into the mountains and then just sit

52:23

there with his victims' bodies.

52:27

All right.

52:29

Then he decides to go to law school. Oh

52:32

my god, because Hilt

52:35

he's gonna teach that ex girlfriend a thing or

52:37

two. So he moves

52:39

to Salt Lake City. Really,

52:46

that can't that was not sincere. All

52:51

right, I'll try to go through these fasts because this it's

52:53

just so much o'c chomb. Second, Nancy Willcox

52:56

disappears from Halliday, Utah. She

52:58

was last seen writing in a Volkswagen. A

53:00

little over two weeks later, seventeen

53:03

year old Melissa Smith is abducted, raped,

53:05

sodomized, and strangled in Midvale

53:07

and her body is found nine days later.

53:09

She's the daughter of the police chief.

53:13

Then seventeen year old Laura Lara

53:15

Amy disappears after leaving a

53:17

Halloween party in Lehigh

53:20

and a month later, hikers find her naked, beaten,

53:22

strangled body on the banks of a river in

53:24

American Fork Canyon. On November

53:26

eighth, Carol de Ranch is

53:29

leaving Fashion Place Mall in Murray

53:31

when an officer Roseland approaches

53:34

her to tell her that her car has been broken

53:36

into and that she needs to come with

53:38

him to file a report. So

53:41

she goes to the car. She

53:43

sees nothing's missing, but he tells her

53:45

she asked her to come to the station anyway. No, no,

53:47

no, And then they get into

53:50

his Volkswagon. You

53:52

know, he didn't have a police car, the

53:54

car that cops drive all the time, gold

53:57

Volkswagons. Man

54:02

on the way, he suddenly pulls over really fast

54:04

and tries to throw handcuffs on her, but

54:07

in the frenzy and she starts fighting him off. He

54:09

puts both handcuffs on one wrist, and

54:11

then as he does that, he

54:13

picks up a crowbar whoa

54:15

and tries to hit her over the head with it, but she

54:18

catches it mid air because her other arm

54:20

is free. Then

54:22

she opens the car door and rolls

54:24

out onto the highway and

54:27

escapes from fucking Ted Bundley.

54:31

Yes, Carol

54:34

got a girl fuck.

54:36

Yes, Carol, I

54:42

mean, yeah, all right, okay,

54:44

yes, all right, I just was gonna

54:47

say, probably ruined going to

54:49

the mall for a long time. That

54:52

night, at Beaumont High School in Bountiful,

54:55

the drama club is putting on a play. This

54:59

this ties back in. I

55:01

just wanted to talk about theater arts for a second.

55:06

So both teachers and students report seeing

55:08

a man who approaches them

55:11

to tell them that their cars have been broken into.

55:14

Some say they see him lurking in the back of

55:16

the auditorium where the play is being held,

55:19

and Debbie Kent, a seventeen

55:21

year old high school student, leaves the play

55:23

at intermission to go pick up her brother and

55:25

is never seen again. Later, the

55:27

investigators find a small key in

55:29

that parking lot that fits the pair of

55:32

handcuffs that were taken off. Carol deroms,

55:34

oh my god. Okay,

55:36

so now I've interjected a story

55:39

I found on Reddit. Maybe

55:42

a bad idea, but it possibly

55:44

could be true, maybe thirty percent. So

55:49

this story is a guy that says his friend's

55:52

parents met in their teens. At the end

55:54

of their first date, his friend's

55:56

dad suggested that they go for a midnight hike

55:58

up in Provo Canyon. He apparently

56:00

knew the place since he had done a fair amount of rock climbing

56:02

in the area, So the two drove up to the mouth of

56:04

the canyon started hiking under the

56:07

light of the stars since it was a new moon.

56:09

I'm just hoping to get late. At that point, nobody fucking

56:12

hikes it.

56:12

May I know, but they can't.

56:14

It's their son, so they can't have to tell him a different story.

56:16

Oh yeah, like son, we loved hiking

56:18

in the seventies. Oh,

56:21

we'd hike and hike all night. Right.

56:26

At some point, the dad starts getting a

56:28

bad feeling since the pathway

56:31

ahead, which was going to pass under

56:33

some trees, was going to be very dark,

56:36

so he ignores the feeling and presses

56:38

on.

56:40

Gott to ignore those feelings he got too.

56:42

In later retelling of the story, his mom

56:44

would say that she felt the same bad feeling,

56:47

but that she didn't know the

56:50

trail like he did, so she just trusted that

56:52

he knew what he was doing. A

56:54

minute later, the dad felt that feeling

56:56

even stronger, ignored it again. They

56:58

walked a bit of the way the trees when his

57:01

foot hit something soft in

57:03

the middle of the path under

57:05

the trees. Though it was too dark to see just what

57:08

this soft thing was. The feeling came

57:10

back stronger than ever, and instead of finding out what

57:12

his foot hit, they both agreed to

57:14

run away. No years later,

57:17

after being married for some time, congratulations

57:19

to them. They were watching

57:22

an interview with the serial killer Ted

57:24

Bundy. In response to a question asking

57:26

him to describe the time he felt closest

57:28

to being caught. He explained about the night

57:30

that he lured a girl into Provo Canyon

57:33

had just killed her when he heard

57:35

some people coming up the trail, and

57:37

that he hid in the trees only

57:40

to watch some guy walk right into

57:42

the body and for some reason just turn around

57:44

and walk away.

57:45

Wow.

57:47

Man, And this

57:49

is why you always rang a flashlight when

57:51

you're fucking hiking at night.

57:52

Yes, yes, no, yes, no,

57:54

that's exactly right. That's exactly

57:57

right. Also, somebody could

57:59

have just watched interviews of Ted Bundy

58:01

retro engineered that entire story

58:03

and be lying on Reddit. We don't know, we

58:05

don't know.

58:06

There's just no way to tell.

58:07

There's no way to tell. Okay,

58:09

So now Ted

58:12

ventures into Colorado, He's taken it

58:14

to a different state. So Karen Campbell

58:17

disappears from the Wildwood Inn and Snowmass

58:20

where she was vacationing with her fiance and

58:22

children. She disappeared between the elevators

58:25

and the front room of her door, a span

58:27

of fifty feet. Veil

58:30

Ski instructor Julie Cunningham disappears in

58:32

March of nineteen seventy five. Denise Ulverson

58:34

in April, and Grand Junction in May. Lynette

58:36

Culver disappears in Idaho from the

58:38

grounds of her junior high school. In

58:42

June. Susan Curtis disappears in Utah.

58:45

None of these bodies have ever been found. Back

58:47

in Washington, Ted Bundy's name had made it onto

58:49

four different suspect

58:51

lists for four different reasons, and

58:54

he was finally on the

58:57

in the top twenty five list of people

59:00

to be investigated

59:04

when a call came in from Utah. Sorry, I

59:07

just started thinking other stuff. What

59:10

am I gonna do tomorrow? Okay,

59:15

So here's what happened.

59:19

Back in Utah. Tad had failed to stop for

59:21

routine traffic violation.

59:24

And those routine traffic violations will always they.

59:26

Will get you, I think from what I remember

59:28

in the book, but I'm not positive he was

59:31

driving by a house. He was basically casing

59:33

a house and a cop was like,

59:36

what are you doing? Yeah,

59:38

and then when he went to pull him over, he

59:41

wouldn't pull over, and so he finally he got

59:43

him, like got him out of the car.

59:45

And then when he searched his car,

59:48

he found a crowbar, a ski

59:50

mask, handcuffs, trash bags,

59:52

and an ice pick. You know, car

59:55

stuff. So

59:59

detected, your Mary Thompson connected

1:00:01

the Volkswagen to Carol de

1:00:03

Ranch's kidnapping case, and they get

1:00:05

a warrant to search Ted's apartment where

1:00:07

they find a brochure for the Wild Wooden

1:00:10

And when they put him in a lineup, Carol Deranch

1:00:13

comes in and as well as several

1:00:15

of the Bountiful High School

1:00:17

play witnesses, and they all

1:00:19

pick him out as Officer roseland

1:00:21

whoa, So this is his

1:00:24

first conviction. I know, only four

1:00:26

more hours I

1:00:29

was typing this. I'm like, maybe I bail before

1:00:31

he ever goes to jail. I mean, just like, there's

1:00:36

no you have to tell the whole thing. So

1:00:39

basically here's what happens. He's tried and convicted

1:00:41

of the kidnapping case. He's sentenced to fifteen years

1:00:44

and they when they were taking him to trial,

1:00:46

during the recesses the officers,

1:00:48

he was so charming and chatty and

1:00:51

cool and chill that the officers

1:00:53

started letting him use the law library

1:00:55

during the recesses of his own trial,

1:00:58

you know, to be cool. So

1:01:01

on June seventh, one day,

1:01:03

while he's in the Lawberardy library, he sees

1:01:05

his chance and he jumps out a second

1:01:08

story window. Right when he

1:01:10

lands, he breaks his ankle,

1:01:13

and then he runs for it and he escapes

1:01:15

into the mountains and he survives

1:01:17

for six days. He had found He walked

1:01:20

until he found a cabin. He rested for a little

1:01:22

while. At one point an

1:01:25

armed citizen who was up there specifically

1:01:27

to search for escapee Ted Bundy

1:01:30

comes upon him, and Ted

1:01:32

talks his way out of it and just continues

1:01:36

on his way. He was a slick, slightly

1:01:38

British accented motherfucker.

1:01:40

This guy. That's

1:01:42

that's yes.

1:01:43

He must have had great like eyes or

1:01:45

something. What was it about Ted hairline?

1:01:48

Yeah, just a strong fucking hairline,

1:01:51

Jesus, what the shit? Kind

1:01:53

of like came down a little bit of a v but

1:01:55

not like a vampire vie. Yeah, framed

1:01:57

his face, just framed it up night.

1:02:00

Yeah, some curls, nice

1:02:02

seventies. Uh sideburns.

1:02:04

Yeah, it's a nice thick sideburn hair.

1:02:07

But not threatening.

1:02:08

No no, no, no no, I'm like not unkempt.

1:02:10

No no, all right, you could. He brushed his

1:02:12

hair five hundred times every morning. Okay,

1:02:16

he's finally recaptured, brought back to jail. Immediately

1:02:18

starts working on a new escape plan. He

1:02:21

cuts a hole in the ceiling into the crawl

1:02:23

space and then starts dieting. He

1:02:25

loses weight, loses weight, loses weight

1:02:28

till finally.

1:02:30

He oh that.

1:02:31

He finds out that they're going to move the

1:02:34

venue of his next of

1:02:36

the trial. So he right now

1:02:38

he is in the I think he's an evergreen

1:02:43

jail and it's super old

1:02:45

fashioned, and so he's like, I gotta do it

1:02:47

now. I can't wait anymore. So he crawls

1:02:49

up into this crawl space, crawls across

1:02:52

and basically goes into right

1:02:54

above the jailer's apartment, which

1:02:56

is part another part of the jail, but it's like where

1:02:58

the people work, where they actually lived in

1:03:01

the jail. He drops down into

1:03:03

the jailer's linen closet, and

1:03:05

luckily the jailer and his wife were at the movies

1:03:07

that night, so he just puts on some of that guy's

1:03:10

clothes and fucking walks out the front door.

1:03:11

You may like, what

1:03:14

what was your diet? And

1:03:19

can I He's just.

1:03:21

It was super. He was super paleo. He was

1:03:23

like one of the first paleo guys.

1:03:25

Do you think there's like a Bundy diet? App

1:03:28

Yep.

1:03:29

He actually invented CrossFit by sawing

1:03:32

the ceiling.

1:03:32

Oh I am I stabbing

1:03:35

though?

1:03:35

Oh no, no, oh, that's why they made that noise

1:03:38

preemptively before they heard the rest of my

1:03:40

hilarious joke. Okay, here's

1:03:43

what he did. Uh

1:03:46

so crazy. He

1:03:48

hitchhikes to Veil, then he takes a bus to

1:03:50

Denver, then he takes a bank a plane to Chicago.

1:03:52

He eventually ends up in Tallahassee,

1:03:54

Florida. And this is the big fucking hideous

1:03:57

finale that's so insane. At

1:04:00

three am on Sunday, January fifteenth,

1:04:03

nineteen seventy eight, Ted Bundy

1:04:05

crept into the unlocked back

1:04:07

door of the Kyomega sorority

1:04:09

house at Florida State University,

1:04:13

right, and he bludgeoned

1:04:16

and strangled four

1:04:19

sorority girls, each roommates.

1:04:21

So he went into the first room and

1:04:24

killed Lisa Levy and Margaret

1:04:26

Bowman. He beat Margaret

1:04:29

to death, and then he'd

1:04:31

restrained Lisa, beat Margaret to death,

1:04:33

then began to beat Lisa

1:04:35

to death and brutally raped

1:04:38

her and then murdered her. Then

1:04:41

undetected, he snuck down

1:04:43

the hallway and did the same thing

1:04:45

in the next room two roommates, Karen Chandler

1:04:48

and Kathy Kleiner. And then he

1:04:50

just walked out of the house in the fuck yeah.

1:04:53

Then then

1:04:55

he walked down the street. Everyone in the autis is

1:04:58

like, I don't like true crime anymore. Then

1:05:02

he walked down the street, he broke into a house

1:05:04

and he did the same thing to a girl named

1:05:06

Cheryl Thomas, except she survived.

1:05:10

Yeah, he basically had

1:05:12

already killed for women

1:05:15

that night, and so he was getting a little

1:05:17

tired and she

1:05:19

was fighting him, and then and then

1:05:21

people came up from downstairs because they heard

1:05:24

so much banging, and he's basically like beating

1:05:26

her with a big piece of wood the

1:05:29

and he ran out, So

1:05:31

she ended up surviving. Then

1:05:35

on February ninth, so like a month

1:05:37

later, he basically hides up in his weird apartment

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and he's basically super crazy and

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like at the end, and he probably knew

1:05:44

he was at the end. On February ninth, in Lake

1:05:46

City, he abducted and raped a twelve year

1:05:48

old girl named Kimberly Leech, and

1:05:50

then he stole another Volkswagen to drive

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across the state. But in Pensacola,

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an officer noticed the stolen plates

1:05:57

and pulled him over, and he

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got out of the car and then immediate started fighting

1:06:02

with the cop and the cop gets him down,

1:06:04

cuffs him, gets him in the car, and Ted Bundy

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says to the cop, I wish you killed me, right.

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So he's charged for

1:06:15

the Tallahassee and Lake City murders. He stands

1:06:17

trial in Miami for the Coyomega murders, and

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there was a Kyomega

1:06:21

member named Nita Neary who saw

1:06:24

him leave and went to court and

1:06:26

identified him, and that testimony,

1:06:28

as as well as the bite marks that he

1:06:30

left on his victims, were

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the evidence that basically convicted

1:06:35

him. Now

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everyone's heard of this, but like, of course, Ted

1:06:40

Bundy, being the asshole that he is,

1:06:42

decided he was going to represent himself in a

1:06:44

couple of these cases. So in the Kimberly

1:06:46

Leech case, he decided he would

1:06:48

be the lawyer, and at one point he

1:06:51

called former coworker Carol Boon

1:06:53

to the stand and then in the middle

1:06:55

of the court case he proposed marriage

1:06:57

to Carol Boone. She said yeah,

1:07:00

yes, everybody she said yes, oh

1:07:03

yeah. They actually

1:07:06

had a conjugal visit. And he has

1:07:08

a daughter that's not know or

1:07:12

he could be the grandfather. We don't know. But

1:07:17

the good news is he was convicted on all counts

1:07:19

and he was sentenced to death, and on January

1:07:21

twenty fourth of nineteen eighty nine, Ted

1:07:23

Bundy was executed in the electric

1:07:25

chair in Florida. Yeah,

1:07:31

he had confessed to thirty murders, but it is

1:07:33

estimated that there's a chance that

1:07:35

he is responsible for the death of

1:07:37

over one hundred women. WHOA, it's

1:07:40

fucking crazy and fuck,

1:07:42

here's a slight upturn. Not

1:07:45

great, but whatever.

1:07:45

Oh.

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First of all, Ted Bundy claimed

1:07:48

that porn is the reason that he became a

1:07:50

serial killer. I'm just saying, watch

1:07:52

yourselves, we

1:07:55

know what you're up to. Everybody's

1:07:58

so cavalier about horn these days.

1:08:01

Well it made Ted Bundy.

1:08:05

But from death Row. When they

1:08:07

were looking for the Green River Killer,

1:08:12

Ted Bundy contacted detective

1:08:15

Dave Reikert. This

1:08:23

is some local shit. Huh yeah,

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we hate Dave riiker too. We're

1:08:31

arrested right outside the theater.

1:08:33

It was a setup.

1:08:34

They hated him first. Anyhow,

1:08:38

however you feel about him, Ted Bundy called him

1:08:40

and said, I can help you catch the Green River Killer

1:08:42

because I know how these motherfuckers think. And

1:08:44

then he did. But clearly

1:08:49

there's a problem with that. I don't know. I

1:08:51

don't know what's going on.

1:08:53

I bet it has to do with the Green River Killer.

1:08:58

Oh oh, says

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my mom.

1:09:06

So's everybody.

1:09:08

So now

1:09:12

we move into the Trump portion of the show.

1:09:15

Wrong, oh

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you.

1:09:20

Well, we'll cap it off with this and Rule had

1:09:23

the best quote. She said, people like Ted can

1:09:25

fool you completely. I

1:09:28

had been a cop, I had all that psychology,

1:09:30

but his mask was perfect. I say

1:09:32

that long acquaintance can help you. I

1:09:35

say that long acquaintance can help you know someone,

1:09:37

but you can never really be sure.

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Yeah, that's it.

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That's Ted Bunny, that's

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your guy.

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Amazing, that's it. Do

1:09:57

we have time? And that's it?

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Right, Yeah, I think that's

1:10:00

it you guys, Yeah, that's everyone thing.

1:10:03

Thank you so much for coming out to the show.

1:10:05

Yeah, and thanks for being a part of us.

1:10:08

That was super super fun.

1:10:11

You guys are We love it here. It was very

1:10:13

cute.

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Thank you for being here. We're

1:10:16

mad at you for yelling at us about Dave Riker, but

1:10:18

we'll talk about it at different time. Stay

1:10:21

sexy and don't get

1:10:24

Fa