0:15

Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.

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This is a podcast, and that's Karen

0:20

Kilgarrett.

0:21

And that's over there, Georgia Hardstark. Hi,

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we're the hosts.

0:24

We're the hosts. This is all planned

0:26

out.

0:27

Super and it's very naturally delivered.

0:29

We're actually reading a teleprompter

0:32

right now.

0:33

It's one of those invisible ones, so if you

0:35

were looking at us, you wouldn't be able to see it, but we

0:37

can see the words that are scrolling on it.

0:39

Steven's actually mouthing the words to us that we

0:41

have to be saying right now.

0:42

Yes, Steven's in down below the stage and

0:44

a little half shell the way they used to

0:46

do it in the operetta times, whispering

0:49

our lines to us. Yeah, we have a little earpiece in

0:53

we're like a newscasters, but

0:55

Stephen is the director up in the control room.

0:57

Yeah, breaking news, None of that's

1:00

breaking news. This podcast is starting

1:03

in case she couldn't tell in five that

1:05

was a ruse. The whole thing,

1:08

it was a trick. The whole thing has been a trick.

1:11

I think my cat barked on the couch.

1:13

And was sitting. Why can you smell it or

1:15

feel it?

1:17

I don't want to say feel it, but that's

1:19

true.

1:20

But that might be the horrible truth.

1:21

Yeah, flow off

1:24

to a gross start.

1:25

Yay, nice, really

1:28

good. I'm getting over what

1:31

I believe to be near

1:33

death pneumonia, but it's probably

1:35

just a standard chess cold. Probably

1:37

the plague knocked me out. I didn't

1:39

get to do anything I wanted to do list weekend

1:42

or week. So I'm a

1:44

little bit like when you don't see anybody for

1:46

four days and then you're all, like, everything's real

1:48

intense.

1:49

And you forget how to speak to people. You've

1:51

only been yelling at your dogs.

1:53

Probably I will probably tell

1:55

you the plot of a sitcom as a conversation

1:58

where it's like and then she want in the kitchen?

2:00

It was so crazy? What did you watch?

2:02

Like?

2:02

Did you have like a thing that you got through the

2:04

whole time?

2:06

I did start watching a series

2:09

on I have a one

2:11

of those. I won't name the name of it because I

2:13

don't like it that much, but it's one of those. We

2:16

have all the British shows apps, so

2:19

I watched a bunch of obscure British

2:21

procedurals that weren't the best

2:24

and also weren't the worst so I that's sometimes

2:26

I'm in the mood for just truly mediocre

2:29

television. Sure, and I could just watch a

2:31

ton of it.

2:31

Well you know what I did the other night. I was home alone

2:34

and I was like scrolling and you can't decide

2:36

what to watch, and like my

2:39

TV whatever kind it is like pop,

2:41

it pops up all these options, and one of them was YouTube,

2:44

and I'm like, who the fuck watch is YouTube on television?

2:46

Like it's a very foreign thing to me, the children. Yeah,

2:48

And so I like kind of clicked on it to see like

2:50

what videos they were like offering,

2:54

and I got in a deep dark hole

2:56

of men doing

3:00

tutorials of makeup. Yes, I mean

3:02

they were fucking famous, and they were talking about

3:04

like the scant like like they were talking to these

3:06

people who watch it every day. Yeah,

3:08

and they're like, I know this thing happened, and people

3:10

said this about me on the internet, like their stories,

3:13

and like I looked one of them up because I was like, what

3:15

happened, and like one of them

3:17

said something kind of racist on accident,

3:20

and it was just this whole world that I am

3:22

not familiar with at all.

3:24

And now you're like right in front and center, like

3:27

bring me that drama on that YouTube

3:29

drama, Yeah, did you see the one

3:31

that's the little boy doing that insane

3:33

makeover?

3:34

Yes?

3:34

And whoever tweeted it, it was this great

3:36

short video of a boy who maybe was nine

3:38

or ten doing insanely

3:41

amazing makeup on himself, incredible

3:43

makeup, and the person that tweeted it said some

3:45

fucked up thing like yeah, like

3:48

what would you do if this was your child? And

3:50

all these huge, famous people

3:53

and all these awesome people and cool people

3:55

wrote back, like Samantha ronson

3:57

the DJ. She wrote back, like, sit

3:59

back and enjoy the

4:02

life he's going to give me as

4:05

like as a you know, business, Like

4:07

basically he's going to be rich and famous and he's going to take

4:09

care of me. And like all

4:11

David Cross wrote back, throw my Bible

4:13

away and love him unconditionally and

4:15

all this stuff where it's just like it's this world

4:18

where it's so funny when people get onto social

4:20

media thinking that they're going to like rally their

4:22

troops right way, where it's like, no, that's

4:24

not the world anyone lives in anymore. Yeah,

4:27

little boys doing amazing like

4:29

Contour Kardashian lovel makeup

4:32

is standard fair, Yeah,

4:34

and he's welcome.

4:36

Have you seen the little kids

4:38

who do the bad ones? Like one

4:40

little girl like was like clearly

4:43

obsessed with makeup tutorials because

4:45

she knew exactly how to do everything, and

4:47

she might have been like seven or eight, and so

4:50

she just like sneaks into her mom's room

4:52

and she's like whispering the whole time, and

4:55

like starts doing a makeup tutorial and just makes

4:57

her face look like how a seven year old would

5:00

make think you makeup on And

5:02

it was just the cutest thing. And I think her mom

5:05

comes in at the end and she's like.

5:06

Oh shit, I gotta go.

5:08

It was just like so sweet.

5:11

I love it. Also, I can watch because

5:15

my friend April Richardson's obsessed with makeup

5:17

traitorials hand makeup herself. So

5:19

there have been times where she's good at it. She's

5:22

really yeah, she's and she's all goth,

5:24

so she's all about like I'm gonna wear a blue lipstick

5:26

and this red eye shadow. But

5:28

there was a night where we were started to watch

5:30

something it may have been like a Republican debates night

5:32

or something where we got into something really

5:35

tense and upsetting, and then at the end of that,

5:37

she's like, hold on, and then just flipped on this girl

5:39

that was just doing this insane like Susie's

5:41

sue amazing eye makeup,

5:43

and it's so soothing to watch someone.

5:46

It's just like watching an artist draw.

5:48

A bunch of people on Twitter were like that cause

5:50

I tweeted about a bunch of people comments. They're like, try

5:52

the hair ones. I bet the hair ones are so

5:54

soothing.

5:55

My niece Nora is obsessed with the hair ones.

5:57

There are two sisters, there's a

5:59

whole fan. They're like twins.

6:01

They're twins. And then the mother's a hairdresser,

6:03

so she'll get in there and be like, here's Elsa's

6:05

hair from Frozen and here's this, this this.

6:08

Well, now, these girls they started when they were

6:10

like ten years old. Now they're in high school. And

6:12

my sister's like, they're like Nora's friends.

6:15

That's like she's been watching she's little,

6:17

right right right. Yeah. So they get on there and they're like,

6:19

here's our first day of school hair, and then

6:22

they show you what they're going to do, and they show

6:24

your mom how to do your hair. Basically

6:26

it's the cutest. I love it.

6:28

Yeah for them, God, bless

6:30

us everyone, God bless us and

6:33

good night, good night.

6:34

This has been YouTube

6:36

corner. What do we have?

6:38

Oh you have that email?

6:40

Oh I have an email to read you guys, a real good one.

6:44

An.

6:44

It's a kind of a correction. It's a

6:46

clarification corner. Is that anything.

6:49

It's called tip from NYPD.

6:52

I was just listening to me. That should be the whole, a whole

6:54

new area tips from the NYPD.

6:56

Great, Yeah, everyone send in your tips.

6:58

And this is actually a guy who sent us a

7:00

tip, or no, a woman who sent us a tip from

7:02

a friend who was in the MIYPD. So you

7:05

don't directly need to be second hand

7:07

tips. Yeah, it's all about it, second hand

7:09

tips from those in the now corner.

7:12

Yeah, it has to the source has to be factual

7:14

and in the know. Though.

7:15

Please keep that in mind.

7:16

But we're not going to do any fact checking. No, and that's

7:18

on you. You don't need to either, okay, Hi,

7:21

it's really structured. There's a lot of rules.

7:23

It's more of a storytelling corner.

7:25

Yeah, don't just don't okay,

7:27

Hi, I was just listening you guys explain that you should ask

7:30

a cop to see their ID and their badge

7:32

in which we talked about recently and wanted to share recommendation

7:34

from a friend of mine who was a retired NYPD

7:37

after twenty years. If a cop

7:39

quote cop comes to your door and you weren't

7:42

expecting them, you shouldn't open the door. You should

7:44

call nine one one and ask the operator

7:46

if they're supposed to be cop at your house.

7:48

Yes.

7:48

The nine one one operator should confirm with

7:51

the officers, and you should be able

7:53

to hear that confirmation over the police

7:55

radio through the door, which is like

7:57

so intense, and I feel like most people would

7:59

be like like, oh, I don't want to be like

8:02

that's intent.

8:02

That's a lot of steps.

8:04

If they aren't a real cop, you won't

8:06

hear that and won't get confirmation. And

8:08

nine one one will know that there is an impersonator

8:11

at your.

8:11

Door, and you'll it'll be

8:13

an impersonator. So even if

8:15

you're like, oh I went through too many steps,

8:18

you know have a person that was trying

8:20

to get into your house and you now have nine one one

8:22

on the line.

8:23

And you know they're not the little shit and it's like, well, I would

8:25

be like, well, what if they break my door down, which they can't

8:27

do unless they have a warrant.

8:30

But then it would be the police, and that would

8:32

mean if they were breaking your door down, that would mean

8:34

you were in there with like a hostage or something. I mean

8:37

like that's they don't break your door down

8:39

when they just need to come and talk to you about right.

8:41

But if the guy, if the killer breaks your

8:43

door down, then you're already on the phone with nine one. That's

8:45

right, exactly right. Also,

8:49

it's not gonna happen. I'm in for the

8:51

fucking chances.

8:51

Get a new front door if it's that easy. Yeah.

8:55

Our old front door at my old place was

8:58

like a bedroom door, was it really?

9:00

Yeah? It was like hollow. I know this

9:02

because I fucking patched over it. But

9:05

I put a note in it first. But it was just a

9:07

total hollowed bedroom

9:09

door and not What did the notes

9:11

say? It was like a wish, oh,

9:14

which I don't do very often, but it came

9:16

true. I think it said like I wish

9:18

to be mildly successful and very happy.

9:20

Fucking I

9:23

don't need to be like extreme. I'm not asking

9:25

for everything. Wait

9:27

a second, did you just start a new trend of putting

9:30

wishes inside doors and patching over.

9:32

I mean that's amazing.

9:34

I think it's a thing of like hiding wishes.

9:37

There's a wishing tree in Griffith Park on

9:39

a path and

9:41

someone just puts paper and a pen up there and there's

9:43

like a hollow in the tree and you just drop

9:46

your wish in there.

9:46

Huh. What would your wish be? Tree?

9:50

Your door? Because it's two different scenarios.

9:52

Or it could be tree, door, birthday, cake,

9:54

anything.

9:55

Oh aren't you not supposed to say? Can you tell?

9:57

You could probably say the door and

9:59

then he'll t it could be, you know, because Stevens

10:01

such a gossip like, okay, have it because

10:03

I just told the door wish. The door wish you're allowed

10:05

to say, but the birthday and tree

10:08

you're not allowed to say.

10:09

Oh well right now, it would be to

10:11

meet somebody that was exciting that

10:13

would make me not feel dead

10:15

inside anymore.

10:17

Uh yeah, so you're not gonna meet like a nice what

10:19

I don't know. What's a job that a guy could be

10:22

the architect?

10:23

Yeah, a trade like something that's just

10:25

like your self sufficient and you're not. Your job

10:27

isn't to judge or rate other

10:30

people.

10:30

I just I always thought mechanics probably

10:32

were cool who like specialize in a certain

10:34

kind of like old car and they're

10:36

like the best in their trade. Or tattoo artists

10:39

would be fun.

10:39

Tattoo artists would be very cool. Yeah,

10:42

yeah, just like one of those guys

10:44

you know sometimes you see people fixing the road

10:47

as you drive by. They've got like a hard hat

10:49

and an orange shirt. Yeah, like, that's the hottest

10:51

guy I've ever seen and we'll ever see and he's

10:53

probably so down to earth. Right, Well,

10:58

well, let's punch a hole in your door unless

11:00

at the wish and go and do it.

11:04

Let's let's do it in my closet door, which is

11:06

a mirror. Oh, that'd be fun, and

11:09

then you have seven years good luck.

11:10

Right, that's the This is

11:13

a classic example of if you just

11:15

tuned in, you have no idea what

11:17

this podcast is about or why.

11:19

It's so what the fuck moment for all of you. Don't worry,

11:21

we'll get to the murder. Don't worry, but it's gonna get

11:23

real dark, So calm down if you're really into

11:25

dark stuff.

11:26

Oh, Canada, we have an exciting announcement.

11:28

Oh yeah, Toronto, specifically because

11:30

I feel like a bunch of people in what's a Canada

11:32

city.

11:33

Oh, don't ask me, Regina.

11:36

Regina.

11:37

We're like, oh my god, I didn't.

11:38

Really.

11:39

I'll always remember Regina because when I was

11:41

helping Wanda Sykes, I

11:43

think it was last year or two years ago, when

11:45

she had a gala she had she was

11:47

hosting the gala JFL

11:50

and uh, we did this really

11:52

funny bit. But the very end it

11:54

was a joke of naming cities and I

11:57

didn't know Regina was a city I could

11:59

have named. It's basically a joke in and of

12:01

itself Calgary,

12:03

but in terms of naming it was like a

12:05

thing. It just would have been the perfect because

12:07

it sounds like a dirty joke in

12:09

and of itself.

12:10

Do you know all I want in life, aside from mild

12:12

fam mild success, and

12:15

extreme happiness is to get invited

12:17

to a lot of gallas with silent auctions. Really,

12:20

I love them.

12:21

Do you? And by that you mean like a big benefit,

12:24

like a yeah, like it's five hundred

12:26

dollars a plate type of thing.

12:27

Yeah, but I don't want to pay. No, I'll pay well, we get

12:29

a sponsors, we get somebody else, but I'll buy

12:32

silent auction stuff.

12:33

Okay, because that's for you. Yeah. Yeah, well

12:36

I'm.

12:36

Also giving money, so it's like okay to Oh

12:38

that's the last one I went to. I

12:41

was a Ronald McDonald house one, and I

12:43

bid because I thought i'd be funny on a Guy Fiertti,

12:46

like set, oh, you're pronouncing

12:48

that correct Fieri, Guy Fieri set

12:52

Oh no no.

12:55

So it's so good to correctly

12:57

pronounce Guy Fieri's name.

12:59

Well, that who once and he was really

13:01

nice, so I feel like I deserve

13:03

he deserves that respect, even though

13:05

it's made up and it's actually fairy, I think,

13:08

not kidding. Oh, and

13:11

so I won like a huge and I won because nobody

13:13

else been on it. So I got

13:15

like a cookbook and a big Guy

13:17

Fiertti night fairy knight but says Skuy Fieri

13:20

on the side, and it's like the biggest butcher knife. It's

13:22

like not supposed to be this big yeah,

13:24

and butcher knife. Yeah, maybe like some

13:27

hot sky fiery hot sauce, like I

13:29

want a thing that's so good. But you

13:31

know, the money went to it's for charity.

13:33

Charity. He is or lived in

13:36

my hometown. There was one year when

13:38

Nora was like four years old and

13:40

they have this thing where Daytime Trigg

13:42

her treating in downtown Paloma and

13:44

we were. I was taking her around because

13:46

you get to go into stores and they give little kids candy

13:49

cutest and he was there with his kids, and

13:52

I was like, I know that guy. This was before

13:54

his.

13:55

No transition into international

13:57

fame into Fierti and Fierti

14:00

from Barry to Fierti.

14:01

But does is that how he pronounces it? He?

14:04

I think it's Fietti Stephen.

14:07

But no one on anywhere

14:10

else says that though.

14:11

Can we get an opening of Diner's,

14:13

which, by the way, is a great show to put

14:15

on in the background. I

14:18

don't know why I am what's it promoting

14:20

Guy Fieri so hard? Why am

14:23

I doing that?

14:23

I feel like I'm making you feel defensive about this pronunciation

14:26

thing, which I don't mean to do.

14:27

No.

14:27

I feel like I never realized how much

14:29

I'm a champion. I don't know. We

14:32

spilled yams on him on stage once and

14:35

he was really nice, and.

14:36

Okay, yeah he does. He takes a lot

14:38

of shit, that's for sure, but it's just because he

14:40

bleaches and then gels his.

14:42

Hair and puts his glasses on backwards.

14:43

And he's just a dude. He's just He's a dude,

14:46

dude. He's not a YouTube star

14:48

dude. He's a dude dude. He's a dude dude that's

14:51

never claimed to be anything but a dude.

14:52

Right, Yeah, Okay, live your truth. Uh,

14:57

we have hats on online

15:00

my favorite murder if you want to wear a hat backwards,

15:02

but to my favorite murder shirts. But we're

15:05

going into the announcement. I'm going into I'm

15:07

going into merch corner.

15:08

Okay, but we were just going into I

15:11

thought we were doing something else. I started the other

15:13

one. But what was it? The JFL

15:15

announcement. Oh shit, I to I

15:19

thought we were done. I thought we have hats online. I

15:21

thought we were they corner

15:24

and it was done. Dude. This

15:27

is probably the most add episode

15:29

we have ever recorded.

15:30

I am only on like two cups of coffee. There's

15:32

nothing I'm taking anything.

15:33

I just feel like I'm not actually here. Okay.

15:36

Toronto's like, shut up the guy fiery.

15:39

Yeah, Toronto's like, you told us we had

15:41

something to hear. It was telling

15:43

us what we wanted to tell you. It's the correct pronunciation

15:46

of Guy Fieri's name, which is also we're coming

15:48

to your city, but don't worry about it. And even you

15:50

have the actual information, please.

15:52

Give it

15:54

the show info. It's at the Sony Center.

15:56

It's September thirtieth atm

16:00

and it goes on sale Friday,

16:03

June second, which is tomorrow, not

16:06

from recording, but for when it's released

16:09

a eastern seven am

16:11

Pacific and the link is jfl

16:15

com. But we'll tweet it out.

16:17

So if that didn't wasn't smooth in the

16:19

beginning, The point is we've been invited

16:21

to perform at the Just for Laps Comedy Festival

16:23

in Toronto, and

16:26

so it'll be our first show in Toronto

16:28

ever, which is thrilling and

16:31

uh and then and tickets go on

16:33

sale tomorrow.

16:34

Yeah, and like, yeah,

16:38

it's gonna be fun. Yeah yeah,

16:40

Guy Fiery won't be there. Maybe he'll

16:42

be our hometown. Do you think we can get him on to be our

16:44

hometown murder?

16:45

Yeah, let's try it. Let's just see.

16:48

Let's she knows you you know each other. Let's put

16:50

it out in the universe and let's stick it in the door.

16:52

Let's put it in a fucking let's knocked down another

16:54

yet another door.

16:55

Hold on, I changed my I change my wish. You

16:57

can have both. Wait, no,

17:00

guy, don't.

17:00

Even love Oh my god,

17:02

what if both of them become.

17:06

So manie? Like what

17:08

if just let's picture it.

17:09

For a minute, like you were

17:12

like, I'm so against it, and like, turns out he's

17:14

the most wonderful person you've

17:16

ever met.

17:17

Look, I'm not against a person that can cook.

17:20

God bless your soul, because

17:22

I tell you last night, as I was buying the

17:25

pre made chicken, rice and broccoli

17:28

dish that they have at Von's, I

17:30

was picking it up cold or hot. You

17:33

heat it up, okay, but it's kind of like a it's

17:35

a little bit of a deli item. But anyway, as I was

17:37

picking it up, I was just like, this is this

17:39

is not how you're supposed to be at this age,

17:41

at this stage, Like

17:44

I should have learned by now and just have a couple of dishes

17:46

you make for yourself for dinner and be an adult instead

17:48

of just.

17:49

Like, eh, I

17:52

don't believe in it.

17:53

Meanwhile, Guy fiery's in my kitchen.

17:56

He pulls it, he turns the stove all the way up

17:58

to twelve. He throws a pan

18:00

down, He's throwing things like he's

18:02

throwing things into that pan.

18:04

The thing of like I don't have anything in my kitchen, and he's

18:06

like, I'll figure something out, and like polls things from places

18:08

you didn't even know you had, and was just like throws

18:10

together that. I fucking love that.

18:12

Like there's he pulls a bag of baby carrots that

18:14

are all small and gray, and he's like, it

18:16

takes two minutes to bring these back to life.

18:18

All you to do is, I don't know, boil them.

18:20

Yeah.

18:20

Vince feeds me a lot because he

18:22

realizes I don't I won't do it

18:24

myself because I'm not really an adult,

18:26

and so I'll just eat like spicy mango from

18:29

Trader Does delicious. So he's like

18:32

he just starts making dinner sometime. It's

18:34

like without even asking me what I want or like

18:36

what do I want to do?

18:37

Yeah, this is just happening. Yeah, so what

18:39

happens and so it's not a discussion,

18:42

So it happens. I'm just saying, like that's

18:44

his thinking is, Yeah, let's just get this going.

18:47

And he makes nice Midwestern you

18:49

know, family protein

18:51

and a vegetable and like a grain or something.

18:53

It's just like, oh my.

18:54

God, God damn it.

18:55

I know.

18:56

God, damn that guy.

18:57

Sorry, I didn't mean to know.

19:00

I support you.

19:01

Well, when you and I are together, he invents

19:03

can have cookoffs.

19:04

I'm gonna have. I'm gonna be wearing his sunglasses

19:06

as a headband in my hair. Well,

19:08

he cooks me broccoli in a way that's gonna

19:10

make me want to eat it. What if you guys cook together?

19:14

Nope, Karen

19:16

chopped this thing. That's gonna be how why we break

19:18

up?

19:19

He's gonna give you like jobs and so you're

19:21

gonna feel like part Oh my god, I'm in love

19:23

with this coupling.

19:24

But I'm immediately gonna cut my finger, blame

19:26

him, start screaming, and then go watch Ncis

19:30

stop talking to him. That's a great relationship.

19:32

It's gonna be good.

19:33

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of really cool enamel ones. Yeah, there's a lot of great

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little I mean it's they're the.

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we appreciate all the people that make pigions equally.

20:13

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mean except for No, there's nobody.

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What if I just called the one person I called out

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was the one I didn't like their pin.

20:20

There's a little design flaw on this one. No, And

20:24

then we're gonna talk about the Keepers. So

20:26

this is we've been People have been asking us

20:28

over and over obviously on social media to

20:31

talk about these these things, these

20:33

things that come up that are true crime, these TV

20:35

shows, these TV shows or like, yeah,

20:38

and the Keepers. So I

20:40

watched it. I did the thing where I started watching

20:43

it in the afternoon and then stayed up all night watching

20:45

the entire thing.

20:45

I think I texted you and was like, I'm

20:48

about to start this. I think we like press

20:50

play at the same time we did and then

20:52

we text over the getting and then I think we both stopped

20:54

because we were both just like so engrossed in it. Yeah,

20:57

well I had to leave or you had

20:59

to leave. Stopped,

21:01

we stopped talking. Then I had to pause

21:04

it, and.

21:04

I was so mad. I had to go to a show

21:06

and all I wanted

21:09

to do is come back and keep watching it. It was It's

21:12

the most amazing series.

21:14

About It starts off. You

21:16

think you know what it's about. Here's how I keep

21:18

explaining it to people who don't know. A

21:21

nun gets killed in the late sixties.

21:23

She's a high school teacher. She's a wonderful

21:25

person. You think that's what it's

21:28

about. Yeah, And then next

21:30

episode and the rest of it is priest

21:33

who was the principal? Fucking all the

21:36

the high school students?

21:38

Did she get killed?

21:39

Are they? Are they? This is exactly how.

21:41

I explain it.

21:42

This is not how I explain it usually. I've had two white

21:44

wines before I explained it.

21:45

And it's a lot and you're yelling over music in a

21:47

bar.

21:48

Yeah, and I'm yelling at somebody who doesn't want

21:50

doesn't care about true crime. Right, Okay, so you

21:52

go, well, no, I mean it is all that. I think he

21:54

was the counselor though. Okay, so, but

21:56

he was definitely like the Parisian.

21:58

I don't know.

21:59

You tell me, ye, tell you all about it.

22:00

So in the Catholic church, let's

22:03

start from the they brought him in. So

22:06

it's a Catholic high school in

22:08

Baltimore, all girls, all girls high

22:11

school, and they bring this guy

22:13

in as a counselor.

22:15

And.

22:17

So the girls get called into

22:19

the counselor's office and

22:22

the way they tell Okay, first of all, let's just say this.

22:24

You meet these two women who had gone

22:27

to that school, were taught by sister Kathy,

22:29

the none that got murdered, and they are

22:31

trying to find out her.

22:33

Cold case, how she got murdered, why she got murdered,

22:35

what happened, because one of them is having

22:37

these memories repressed. She's an

22:40

old you know, she's in her forties. She's a mom

22:42

and a wife with the fucking best

22:44

husband.

22:44

Am I wrong?

22:45

He's like the best?

22:46

Yes, that's a different I'm talking about this

22:49

too. That everyone's saying are

22:51

the Karen and Georgia Murderino characters.

22:54

The actual investigate, the investigative,

22:57

and they're the best.

22:58

They're the best. All you want to do is sit

23:00

at that kitchen table with them and talk about this stuff.

23:02

Katslan said she's going to be the redheaded one for

23:04

Halloween. Like that's the best

23:07

thing I've ever heard in my life. It's that woman is so

23:09

awesome. I wish I'd looked up her name. But they're

23:12

they're just basically going, we

23:14

loved our teacher.

23:15

We want to know. We don't think it's right that she

23:17

was murdered and that the case went cold. We want

23:19

to know what happened. And in their digging,

23:22

they start finding out these things simultaneously,

23:24

but not not knowing. Across

23:26

town, the woman George was talking about

23:29

starts having her repressed

23:31

memories start coming to her of things that happened

23:34

to her.

23:35

And when she breaks

23:37

down crying at her table, Yeah, after she

23:40

tells a very detail.

23:42

I mean, these two women who come forward, who are the Jane

23:44

does are so brave. I can't

23:46

even handle it.

23:47

Yeah, because what happened to them, it's

23:49

the thing, and this is the thing that happens.

23:52

It's so upsetting when you watch these Catholic

23:54

church molestation stories, it's the absolute

23:57

abuse of power and the

24:00

preditory nature of these priests

24:02

or you know, whatever, whoever the story's about. But

24:04

in this case, this priest who

24:06

would pick girls who he knew

24:09

had single parents, He knew their parents

24:11

had been recently divorced, he knew that they were

24:14

maybe going through some stuff themselves.

24:16

Maybe even already molested, already being

24:18

molested. So it was like, well, it's almost

24:20

like if you in the wild had

24:23

to be like, here are the steps of how children,

24:25

how people pick children get molested,

24:28

because these people have free rein and it's

24:30

like point for point, the grooming and

24:32

the threatening in these it's

24:34

just so awful.

24:36

It's awful, and it's the thing of back

24:39

then, because I think it was nineteen seventy,

24:41

right.

24:41

I think it was like sixty eight or sixty

24:43

nine when she got murdered.

24:45

Okay, maybe so, but yeah, basically

24:47

in that in that realm, this was back

24:49

when if a priest

24:51

called you to his office, you

24:54

just get up and leave class and go, and nobody

24:56

around would go, why

24:59

is he calling you? You don't need to be alone

25:01

in an office with that man or whatever.

25:03

There was nothing quite the opposite where

25:05

they had they had complete power

25:08

over where children went,

25:10

what they did when they went.

25:11

Like you were special if you got called at the office.

25:13

Almost yes, and oh.

25:15

And the worst part is that priest

25:18

found the woman who

25:22

you were talking about. Oh, we should know these people's

25:24

names. And now I can't remember. But that woman who broke

25:26

down when she was telling that story, she

25:29

went to him and in confession

25:32

confessed to him that she had been molested as

25:34

a child. Right, and that's how he knew to pick

25:36

on her.

25:36

And he said she asked for forgiveness, and

25:38

he's like, I don't know if I don't know if we can

25:41

do that and I'll help you get.

25:42

For Oh it's luten. Let me tell you this

25:44

as a Catholic for a

25:47

long, long life Catholic. Sorry did

25:49

a yelt Stephn just pulled his thing off. But

25:52

let me tell you this. The way confession

25:54

works is you go into that box, you spill

25:56

your guts and the priest who is who

25:58

is there as a

26:01

as like a what do you call that? Almost like

26:03

the soul of God? Right, he's

26:05

there to go because in the Bible that says you ask

26:07

forgiveness and you get it. So and

26:10

people know this now, but it makes me so mad because

26:13

in that moment when he said, I

26:15

don't know if God can forgive you ding

26:17

ding ding red. Let know that it's

26:19

not yours to say, Well, how scary.

26:21

To know that he forgives everything and accept

26:24

the thing that you've done.

26:27

Yeah.

26:28

Anyways, I think The Keepers is

26:30

one of the fucking best one documentaries.

26:32

I am engrossed. I have twenty fucking

26:34

minutes left and I almost don't want to get through it on.

26:36

The last episode. Yeah, yes, because you don't want to

26:38

let it go.

26:39

Like seven episodes I think, and it is just Yeah,

26:41

the reason I found the YouTube thing is because I needed a break

26:43

because I was so fucking engrossed

26:45

and depressed about it.

26:46

It's so heavy, it's so much to like

26:48

absorb. Yeah, but I will

26:50

also say this, the person I believe

26:52

the director's name was Ryan White,

26:56

the one name I remember, And kudos

26:58

to him because in those interviews

27:01

when people start crying, they must have felt

27:03

a level of comfort talking to him

27:05

about this and the way he

27:07

conducted those interviews. Not

27:10

only when he was talking to the victims, did they

27:12

really share so much of themselves

27:14

and like obviously feel comfortable

27:16

enough to express their real emotions,

27:19

which is a very difficult thing to do. But

27:21

then like later on when he was talking to that

27:23

guy who is now in charge

27:25

the Baltimore Police Chief, where

27:28

he was just hearing these things and then going,

27:30

yeah, we'll have to look. But you saw on his face

27:33

he was like, what the hell is going

27:35

on? That he's being informed about how

27:37

these cases were handled in the

27:39

past.

27:40

And then the interview with the guy who's

27:42

the suspect. Yes, that old dude,

27:45

Oh my god.

27:45

Oh.

27:46

And the other thing that drives me crazy, of course, because

27:48

this is our fucking thing that we hate, is

27:50

that the only reason the statute limitations

27:53

isn't up on the smallestation charge

27:56

is because they have. It's because it's

27:58

a repressed memory that just came through.

28:00

So if they have to

28:02

prove in court not only that they were molested, but

28:04

that they just remembered it, yes, which

28:06

is must be impossible to prove in

28:08

itself.

28:09

But how sick is that?

28:11

Yeah? Sick is that that if

28:13

you didn't remember it later, you

28:17

you couldn't pross, you couldn't go after this. The

28:20

statute of limitations makes me fucking

28:22

ill, And I think someday we're going to be if

28:25

the fucking apocalypse hasn't come already, we're

28:28

going to be.

28:28

I feel like that is changing in some places. I

28:30

don't know about Baltimore, but yeah,

28:33

the when they all start going and it's

28:35

not just that school or just that specific

28:37

priest, but there's a part near

28:39

the end where a lot of people are going to

28:41

talk about how that need that law needs

28:44

to change.

28:45

There's a lot of victims I think, who get

28:48

who get their power back by changing

28:50

laws, and I think that's a big one. Unfortunately,

28:53

it's most of those are never retroactive,

28:55

right, which is such a Again, it's such a

28:57

fucking bummer, and it pisses me off. It's

28:59

insane, especially because you

29:01

know, with these sexual molestations and

29:03

even you know, in rapes and all these things. It's

29:06

like victims don't want to come forward and right

29:08

away because it's traumatic and it's opening

29:10

them again. But once they get their strength and are

29:12

older.

29:13

But by then, well it's the crazy

29:15

part is everything it becomes dependent

29:18

on a person who's been victimized.

29:20

It's really amazing too, having done this

29:23

podcast for the short amount of time that we've

29:25

done it, like how much

29:27

I've come to learn and understand about

29:29

like the victims and the

29:32

positions they get put in and

29:35

how much is put on that. So it's

29:37

like, so no one's going I

29:39

mean not that no one is, but it's it

29:41

was like, so it's all just depending on whether or

29:43

not this girl who has been

29:45

traumatized and victimized and truly

29:48

like her entire childhood

29:50

has been completely ruined

29:53

and screwed up and she's just blocked

29:55

entire things out and all this stuff. But

29:58

it's all just on her shoulder. Yeah, nothing

30:01

is on that fucking monster priest.

30:02

Well, it's that thing of like innocent and tel

30:04

proven guilty the person being accused,

30:07

but the person who's accusing them is lying

30:09

and tel proven otherwise almost, which is

30:11

just not It's like, I know, innocent until

30:14

proven guilty is a strong thing

30:16

in our society and it's needed and necessary,

30:18

but it's that that means that the person who

30:21

is bringing their charges is a liar and tell

30:24

proven otherwise.

30:25

Well, when you have those kinds of lawyers that the lawyers

30:27

that were the lawyers for the Catholic Church that were

30:29

defending this priest, I

30:33

don't know how they sleep at night. I don't know how they sleep

30:35

at night, especially after this, after this

30:37

this is gonna say podcast after this series

30:40

where you're just like that, the

30:42

way they were arguing and the things that they

30:44

did and said, and the fact that ultimately

30:47

the fact that they are supposed to be representatives

30:49

of the church. Yeah, it is

30:52

just the ultimate hypocrisy and

30:54

the shittiest just like, what are

30:56

you fighting for? You got to look at that, Yeah,

30:59

like you you're basically

31:01

accusing these people of like they're going to sacrifice

31:04

their whole life and credibility for

31:06

like because they're trying to chisell money

31:08

out of you. I don't think.

31:09

So they can't even come out as their real names

31:12

or Jane Doe because they will be fucking attacked

31:14

by not just the church, but people who are

31:17

Like it's just every fucking every episode,

31:20

don't skip one. There's like a new revelation that's fucking

31:22

incredible, but it's really hard to watch.

31:24

It's very hard to watch. And also it's pre Spotlight,

31:27

so like they were really

31:29

the first ones that made an

31:32

actual dent and a mark, and I remember,

31:34

but I just didn't separate the cities because I remember

31:37

the Spotlight things happening in Boston, but

31:39

these ones that happened in Baltimore.

31:41

They this Jane Doe. These

31:43

two women really were the ones that came forward

31:46

and started making a dent to

31:48

get least.

31:48

I had never heard of it. I mean, it's

31:52

incredible. It's an incredible show.

31:53

Got to watch it. It's amazing.

31:55

Yeah, next week on Shows

31:58

we Love, we'll talk about mommy, dad and dearest. That's

32:00

right, I know, we owe you guys. Yes, However, the

32:02

keepers came and it was just like, oh my

32:04

all, my attention is here.

32:06

Amazing? Yeah, yeah, okay, how

32:10

much longer do we have? Then?

32:11

Seven minutes? Episode over? Who

32:14

goes first?

32:16

First?

32:16

Questions?

32:17

I care in this this week?

32:18

Okay, okay, all

32:21

right, it's my turn. Yes,

32:24

it's my turn to shine. Now. This is a suggestion

32:27

this could be one of our books where because

32:29

somebody suggested this to both of us. So

32:33

I was actually thinking as I was writing this, I'm like, what if

32:35

Georgia saw this one? When did they suggest it? I

32:37

can't remember. Maybe a week ago on Twitter? Uh

32:40

huh, it's at miss

32:42

New Judy suggested it to both of

32:44

us. And anytime people

32:46

suggest them to us, I open it up

32:48

and I look at the thing and then I'm like, sometimes I'll

32:50

go like I should do that, and I never think about it again.

32:53

And sometimes I go, I know that one already

32:56

or whatever.

32:57

I've started bookmarking them in my

33:00

so when I'm frantically on Tuesday morning going.

33:02

What are day? Which I do? Yeah, you have those ones

33:04

waiting for you.

33:05

Yeah.

33:05

Well this one. When I opened it up, I immediately

33:08

was so entranced and horrified

33:11

that I was like, this is going to be my next one.

33:12

This sounds fun.

33:14

So thank you, miss new Judy for suggesting

33:16

it. It's so good. It's John Crutchley, the vampire

33:18

Rapist. Love it already? Have you heard?

33:21

No? Okay, clearly

33:24

I didn't see that tweet, all

33:27

right. So this took

33:29

place.

33:32

Around thanks It was Thanksgiving in nineteen eighty

33:34

five in Malabar Reverd County,

33:36

Florida, which is so Reverd

33:39

County and Malabar. I guess I

33:41

looked it up on a map so i'd know what I was talking about.

33:43

It's right on the coast. It's on the

33:45

east coast of Florida, and it's

33:49

it's seventy seven miles southeast of Orlando,

33:52

so it's basically middle going toward

33:54

the bottom, but right on the water. All

33:56

right, So this is what happened. It's Thanksgiving nineteen

33:59

eighty five, and a man is driving down the road

34:01

and he sees a young woman totally

34:04

naked. Her hands are

34:09

handcuffed and her ankles are handcuffed,

34:11

and she's hopping down the road.

34:12

Oh my god.

34:14

So he pulls over. He gets her

34:16

into his car, and she's totally

34:18

weak, she's covered in dirt, she's

34:21

panicked. She points to the house

34:23

nearby and says, remember that house

34:26

to him, honey. Yes. He

34:28

drives her to his house where his wife is. They

34:30

call the cops and an ambulance and

34:33

she gets taken to the hospital and

34:35

the doctors find out that forty

34:37

to forty five percent of her blood

34:40

is gone. No, yes, so

34:43

she has been. And she then tells

34:45

them the story of what's happened to her, and

34:47

it.

34:48

Goes a little something like this one.

34:54

Okay, so she

34:57

was hitch hiking. It's

34:59

you know, it's nice to eighty five. It

35:01

hadn't been totally taken

35:03

out of our society yet, she

35:05

said. Checking down the road, a guy pulls

35:07

over. He's wearing a business suit. He's wearing a suit.

35:09

He looks you know, he looks like a professional

35:11

businessman is on the let and

35:14

he's just very casually is like, where do you

35:16

need to go? I'll take you there. She jumps into

35:18

the car. As they're driving, he goes,

35:20

sorry, I just have to stop at my house really quick.

35:23

Jump out and roll I mean jump

35:25

out then, because you've

35:28

now deviated from the plan. Only

35:30

give them one deviation from the plan, I

35:32

would say.

35:33

And then you're not familiar with your surroundings.

35:35

I mean not that it's either way, but then you're

35:37

not like you're not on your way to the place you want to right,

35:39

I know how to get there, Yeah, exactly right.

35:41

So they pull into his driveway.

35:43

He invites her in. She says no, I'll wait in the car.

35:46

He says fine. He goes into the house for a little while. He

35:48

comes back out, and then he goes, sorry,

35:50

I just have to get something out of the back seat really quick. He

35:52

goes into the back seat behind the passenger

35:55

seat, and then he wraps a cord

35:57

around her neck and begins to strangle her. He

35:59

choked her out in the car. She wakes

36:02

up. The next thing she knows, she's on the kitchen

36:04

counter. She's tied down to

36:06

the kitchen counter naked, and

36:10

she is blindfolded with tape

36:12

so she can see underneath the bottom of it. It's

36:14

not like material laying flat.

36:16

Ye.

36:16

Yeah, so she can see that

36:18

she's on a kitchen counter naked.

36:21

He's standing next to her naked, and

36:26

he has set up a video camera on a tripod,

36:29

so he's videotaping it. Fuck. He

36:31

proceeds to rape her on that table.

36:34

Then he explains to her that he's a vampire,

36:37

and she feels a prick in her arm and he

36:39

begins to drain blood from

36:41

her arm and drink it.

36:43

How how

36:45

what at that moment is she like?

36:49

Oh fuck?

36:51

Yeah what level of So

36:53

you're probably in shock when something like that

36:55

happens to you. But then I think things

36:57

would just get real black and white, like yeah, be

37:00

like I need to get out of here. Now, how do I get out of here?

37:02

How do I get out of here? So

37:07

so basically I

37:10

talked through that and then lost my place.

37:12

Oh sorry, no, no.

37:14

It's okay. So

37:18

so then he takes her and he puts her in the bathtub, and

37:22

later that day he comes back, He

37:24

gets her, takes her out of the bathtub, puts her on his bed,

37:26

tranquilizes her some strong drug

37:29

and rapes her again, then drink

37:31

drains her blood again, and drinks it again, brings

37:34

her back to the bathtub. And

37:40

the next day she wakes up

37:42

and he does it again, and then

37:44

he tells her he has to leave the house, but

37:46

not to try to escape because his brother's

37:48

there and he'll kill her if she tries to escape. She

37:51

hears the car leave, and then

37:53

she manages, so she's now had her

37:55

blood drained three times. She

37:58

manages to get up and to kind

38:02

of stand and pull herself up to the tiny

38:04

bathroom window that's above the bathroom. Can you imagine

38:07

how dizzy she is at that point? I mean, and also

38:09

just like the amount

38:12

of times I say I'm tired when I have done

38:14

suck all all day long is shocking.

38:16

And then I think about things like this, where when you have

38:19

to like dig from the bottom and like really power yourself

38:21

through, it's like, I hope I'm gonna be able to

38:23

do Thatand.

38:24

I got up this morning and got really dizzy and

38:28

like, and I hadn't even done anything, and

38:30

there's no blood stolen from my person.

38:32

Percent of your blood, I have one hundred

38:35

No, probably.

38:36

What if Elvis is drinking her blood?

38:38

Am I that's kind of cute.

38:40

Yeah, that's how that's why you're so bonded, Okay, sus

38:42

it. She pulls herself

38:44

up. She sees that the lock on this bathroom

38:47

window is broken, so she opens

38:49

it up, and she fucking pulls

38:52

herself up somehow pulls herself up

38:54

and shimmy's out of this window and falls

38:56

down to the ground outside of the window.

38:58

This is Mary Vincent level badassory. Yes,

39:00

it's amazing and it's yeah, it's

39:02

just pure. She knows that

39:04

this can't go on right, like, this isn't she doesn't

39:07

have time.

39:08

What I love is that she being told

39:10

there's somebody that's gonna kill her, does it anyway

39:12

because she knows it's bullshit. It's fucking bullshit.

39:15

So there's

39:18

a cop in this one of the uh,

39:21

like the shows that I watched about this guy, a

39:23

cop who says, if you saw this window, you wouldn't

39:26

understand how a person got got out of it.

39:28

Wow, Like, she made herself fit

39:30

through a tiny bathroom window and got

39:32

out, and that's when and then she crawled

39:35

to the road and finally got

39:37

herself up and when she started hopping, they

39:39

said a couple of there's different

39:41

On murder Pedia, a couple of the articles say different

39:43

things, but one says that a couple of trucks

39:45

passed her before anybody picked her up, and then finally

39:48

that that guy picked her up, which

39:51

also that how hard would it be to

39:53

get into a strange, strange man's car.

39:56

I also have that thinking, Evan, this is probably

39:58

from goonies of like what if it was guy

40:00

coming home that what is the vampire?

40:02

Yes, exactly right. You

40:04

get into the car the person that got you there in the first place,

40:06

and it's like, to me, that's like the worst

40:09

horror movie of like.

40:10

No, it's almost made it.

40:12

Yeah, yeah, but she makes it.

40:14

So the doctors

40:16

at the hospital say if

40:19

she had stayed there one more night, she'd definitely be dead

40:21

because there's so much blood gone that they kind

40:23

of are amazed she got herself out of there. So

40:27

uh so she when she got into

40:29

the car, I told you that already right where, she said, remember

40:31

that house. It's just my favorite because it's just like

40:33

she was on she was like getting

40:36

she had done.

40:36

So they this girl is a vintage murderer. Now,

40:38

yeah, she really you know what I mean. Yes,

40:41

she's takeing care of business. Yeah, she knows, she

40:43

knows the signs and signals.

40:44

Yeah, so she they go back to the

40:46

house and they

40:48

have a

40:51

search warrant to go back into the house.

40:54

So I've completely lost my place. You might have to fix

40:56

this part, Stephen. M mm hmm.

40:58

Well, I'm impressed right now that you just like,

41:00

I see you and I'm watching you and this is all off

41:02

the.

41:02

Top of your head. Yes, because it's so when

41:05

those ones happen where it's like it's

41:08

not just a standard awful

41:10

thing, but it goes into the world

41:13

of almost a cult where you're

41:15

like these people. It's when

41:17

you see the house and the video, a white

41:19

house on the side of the road that looks kind

41:21

of nice. It looks like nice family lives

41:23

there, and inside is like nightmare

41:25

town beyond Anyone's like, you wuldn't

41:28

even know what was happening to you if somebody was draining

41:30

and drinking your blood insanity.

41:32

Yeah, okay, So please get

41:34

a search warrant of

41:37

thirty nine year old John Crutchley's home. His

41:40

wife and child had been out of town for

41:42

the Thanksgiving weekend. Huh huh uh huh,

41:44

So he's a family man. When

41:47

they get there, they find the video camera

41:50

equipment that she described, but the tape

41:52

inside had been recorded over.

41:54

Had he already come home and he knew she was

41:56

gone?

41:56

Yes, okay, probably because so this videotape

41:59

is recorded over right. They

42:02

also find and photograph

42:04

stacks of credit cards in other

42:06

people's names. And they find a

42:08

pile of jewelry hidden in the back of a closet,

42:11

all women's jewelry and

42:15

so, and they photograph that. So they

42:17

arrest John Crutchley on

42:19

kidnapping and rape charges. So

42:22

the police in Brevard County realize

42:25

they have an advanced predator and this

42:27

is not standard fare for them, so

42:29

they call the FBI and for

42:31

them. Who shows up but Robert Wrestler.

42:34

So, Robert Wrestler, we've talked about a couple of times,

42:36

but he's the famous FBI

42:38

agent who worked in the behavioral science

42:40

units. He worked there for years. He's

42:43

the guy that developed ViCAP that

42:45

basically enabled cops to start communicating

42:47

on a national database to put in

42:49

them os of killers, so that uncaught

42:52

cold cases and uncaught crimes

42:56

that people could enter them in and go, is

42:58

there anybody else that likes to drain the blood of

43:00

young women? That's Robert

43:02

Wrestler.

43:02

What a bad ass motherfucker. He should have like, you

43:05

know, b A m F. But you know it's the last

43:08

letters of your name when you're like a doctor.

43:10

Oh yeah, like PhD instead of MD. Yeah,

43:12

he's BAMF badass

43:14

motherfucker. So

43:17

they thank god, they call him in and he immediately

43:20

has a profile going for this guy, and

43:22

he immediately tells the cops this is an

43:25

organized serial killer who has definitely

43:27

killed before, because you

43:30

don't have a person that's this comfortable picking

43:32

somebody off the street and doing this

43:34

crazy shit in his home. He didn't

43:36

even take her somewhere neutral. He took

43:38

her to his home. He's done it before.

43:40

This is this is the result of escalation, not

43:42

the beginning exactly right.

43:44

Yeah, this isn't for your first swing into

43:46

I think I'm a vampire? Which should I do?

43:48

Or I think I'm a rapist? How do I do this?

43:50

Yeah? Let me let me do what I want all the

43:52

time. So he and he also I'm

43:54

pretty sure Jack Crawford from the Silence of Lamb

43:57

is based on him. He's the one Robert

43:59

Wrestlers, the one that wrote a book called Whoever

44:03

Fights Monsters?

44:04

Oh yeah, I was looking at that from

44:06

another murder. There's so much information in there.

44:08

Yeah, it's supposed to be the best book. I've never read it, though,

44:10

I'm going to read it. That's gonna be my next book too. Let's

44:12

fight it together. Okay, good? Should we listen to it?

44:14

I wonder if it's a good audiobook.

44:16

I like the idea of listening to it. Let's

44:18

do it. It's so much easier, it's so much easier.

44:20

I'm in my car so much more than I'm in my Yeah,

44:23

reading room.

44:23

I promise your house will be so clean as soon as

44:25

you get into an audiobook that you're into.

44:27

Yeah, that's the that's very true. Okay, So Whoever

44:30

Fights Monsters? By Robert Wrestler, let's do a read

44:32

along everyck. Yeah. But he's also

44:34

just the guy that like he put it, he puts it all

44:37

together in that super interesting

44:39

scientific way where it's

44:42

the guy that's like, serial killers are ninety

44:44

percent or more are white men between

44:47

the ages of twenty eight and thirty whatever, Like that's

44:49

this guy.

44:49

Yeah, so those start fascinating when they're

44:52

so correct, like he does this kind of business, he's

44:54

in this kind of thing, he has, this family he has, it's

44:56

just like.

44:57

And then they find the guy and it's like every almost

45:00

every time, it seems like they imagine.

45:01

And I keep thinking, like, no fucking way, that's

45:03

crazy and it's too simple, and then it's like exactly.

45:06

Ding ding dingy Robert Wrestler A

45:08

plus. So okay, excuse

45:12

me. So they start because once

45:14

they bring him in and he tells them this, they

45:16

start looking at missing persons cases

45:19

around Brevard County and they find

45:21

that there have been four dead unidentified

45:23

women's bodies that have been discovered in

45:25

that county in the previous year.

45:27

Wait, that didn't immediately ring

45:30

some bells. I mean, I don't know how big

45:32

that place is, but yeah, that's fucking insane.

45:34

Yeah, in the area they had in the one year

45:36

four dead women that they didn't know who

45:38

they were. I can't breathe.

45:42

Then Wrestler notices that

45:44

John Crutchley has moved a lot

45:46

and changed jobs a lot, so they start looking

45:48

at places he used to live. They

45:52

look into his last known addresses and they

45:54

see there's a number of cold cases

45:57

involving missing and the

45:59

unidentified bodies of young

46:01

women. So

46:03

they start like basically

46:05

gathering up all this information. So

46:09

just a quick background. He

46:13

the saddest sentence that

46:15

I've ever read on Wikipedia

46:19

is about this about

46:21

John Crutchley. It's the beginning

46:23

of his Wikipedia entry, and it's born to a

46:26

well to do family in Pittsburgh. John Crutchley

46:28

was a friendless child. Oh,

46:33

a friendless child?

46:34

Oh how can that be?

46:37

And also when you look at his picture, if

46:39

you've ever seen the movie Rent, there's an actor

46:41

named Anthony Rapp who has like strawberry

46:43

blonde hair. He could play

46:46

John Crutchley. He would have to get

46:48

creep out makeup done and probably lose

46:50

a lot of like not that he's in any he's

46:53

perfectly fit to person, but he doesn't

46:55

have the same exact

46:57

face. But he's basically matches

46:59

that, so's he'll do it for a role. But anyway,

47:02

it's just he looks he

47:04

has like panic eyes. He has dark eyes and blonde

47:06

hair, which is scary, Like he's such a good

47:09

descriptor. Yeah, and also

47:11

the really thick like eighties glass

47:14

eighties aviator glasses, not sunglasses,

47:16

but just.

47:16

Glasses, glasses, the pervert glasses

47:19

per glasses, but not transition

47:21

lenses.

47:21

Interestingly, not all right, excuse

47:24

me? So anyway, when

47:29

he so, he went to college, he

47:32

got his degree and shit, where

47:34

did it go? Oh, I don't have that here. He got

47:36

his degree in physics,

47:40

I think or something like that. Then he went to graduate school

47:43

and he got his degree in electronic

47:45

engineering management or something like that.

47:48

His first job out of graduate school was at Delco

47:50

Electronics in Cocomo, Indiana,

47:53

and he left there relatively soon

47:55

after because he there was an investigation

47:59

made by the company into missing

48:01

materials that they thought he had stolen. Excuse

48:05

me, so

48:08

just right away, a lot of a

48:12

lot of question marks about this guy. So then he

48:14

moves to Fairfax County, Virginia in

48:16

the mid seventies. That's where his mother lived, and

48:18

he gets remarried. He got married in college,

48:21

and that that marriage ended relatively

48:23

quickly. So mid seventies,

48:25

he gets remarried and he works for

48:27

several high tech firms in the DC

48:29

area, including trw

48:32

Ica and Logicon Process.

48:35

I don't know what none of those, I mean, how could

48:37

we ever? So

48:40

about this time, when he's

48:42

working at these companies, several teenage girls

48:45

in the area disappeared. No In

48:48

Fairfax, Virginia, a twenty five year old woman

48:50

named Deborah fitz John went missing

48:52

and her remains were later found in a remote area

48:55

by a hunter. She was last seen in

48:57

Crutchley's mobile home. Oh dear, which

48:59

I don't know stand. If he's like an

49:01

engineer at these high end companies, why is he

49:03

living in a mobile home park.

49:04

Maybe it's a fucking the lexus of mobile

49:07

homes? Oh true true true.

49:10

From nineteen seventy nine through nineteen eighty

49:12

three, Crutchley worked for a Washington based

49:15

defense contractor and had

49:17

access to Norfolk Naval air

49:19

stations, and during that time,

49:21

a twenty three year old Navy messenger named Pamela

49:23

An kim Brew disappeared from

49:25

the base on March twenty

49:27

fifth, nineteen eighty two. She was later

49:29

found dead in a car submerged at the end

49:31

of a seaplane ramp. Her killer tied

49:33

her arms behind her with clothesline and

49:36

then tried to strangle her. There

49:38

was a green ski mask and fingerprints

49:40

that didn't belong to her or her boyfriend in the

49:42

car, and then a

49:45

twenty one year old navy clerk named

49:47

Carol Anne Molnar disappeared February

49:50

sixth, nineteen eighty three. Her decomposed

49:52

body was found three months later, partially buried

49:54

under rocks of a sea wall at the Norfolk

49:56

base, and she had been strangled.

49:59

So there's all these cold cases

50:01

around the areas where he lived. There's so many,

50:03

and I've never heard of him.

50:04

Yeah, I know, well maybe because

50:07

of this. So

50:10

so when the cops go back

50:12

in for a second, they get a second search warrant

50:14

and they go in to seize all that stuff that they

50:16

had seen on the first time around. That

50:18

stack of credit cards is gone, and

50:21

that pile of women's jewelry is gone.

50:23

They can't find it.

50:24

That's what they should have taken it.

50:25

And then the tapes are they can't find

50:28

any tapes that have stuff

50:30

on it, right, right, So

50:33

because I think the first time around, they're just like I

50:36

who like a search warrant isn't the same as like

50:38

a search and seizures.

50:39

Maybe maybe there's got

50:41

to be yeahss.

50:42

And answers, but they were I think it's that

50:44

thing of they're taking pictures of it. They know you haven't,

50:46

right, But then it's gone

50:48

anyway, And it's that kind of like, well, you didn't catch

50:50

me with it, so there's nothing you can do, Okay.

50:54

So anyway, they

50:56

were unable to find any hard evidence that

50:58

tied him to any of those cold cases

51:01

that I just talked about. But

51:03

he was brought up on charges of kidnapping,

51:05

rape, grievous bodily harm for

51:07

the exanguination, and

51:10

drug possession. And he

51:13

got those last two charges of plea

51:15

bargained down in exchange

51:17

for agreeing to plead guilty to kidnapping

51:20

and rape. So they basically

51:22

cut out the fact that he drained and drank her

51:24

blood

51:25

and the drugs

51:27

he gave her so that he would just plead

51:29

guilty and like they could move it along. And

51:32

in court, the defense tried to present

51:34

him as only being guilty

51:36

of having kinky sexual tastes and an interest

51:39

in bondage. Yeah,

51:42

they referred to the nineteen

51:44

year old victim as a manson girl who

51:46

was in fact soliciting him for kinky sex

51:49

when they met.

51:51

How did I know that would happen? That she was into

51:53

kinky sex and she wanted it this way? Like,

51:55

how could they know that?

51:57

No?

51:57

How did I know that that was gonna be. That's how

51:59

they are going to turn it around, Yeah, because that's kind

52:02

of standard fair.

52:02

Yeah, where it's it's almost like the most

52:04

offensive thing that could happen is the way they

52:07

blow it up, so that now you're thinking about

52:09

that instead. Like the idea that they call her

52:12

a Manson girl, Yeah, where

52:14

it's like it's nineteen eighty fucking five. Yeah,

52:16

Like she's not a Manson girl. This isn't that. This

52:18

summer of love is long long over, right,

52:20

And whether or not she's a sex worker,

52:24

pretty sure that if she agreed to get into

52:26

someone's car, having her blood drained

52:28

out of her body and being held and repeatedly

52:31

raped was in no way.

52:32

And like you and I could be called like

52:35

serial killer girls because we're into like you

52:37

know, So maybe she's fascinated

52:39

my Manson end reads about him,

52:42

but that that doesn't mean she's like supports him,

52:44

like I read about World War two, But it doesn't mean I'm in

52:46

a hitler.

52:47

Yeah, but I don't even think I think they were just using

52:49

that as a way to label her, you know what I

52:51

mean, just to say

52:54

she's basically throwaway. It's just

52:56

a different way to say she's trash, which is

52:58

the bullshit part. Here's

53:01

a bigger bullshit part. Crutchley's

53:03

wife testified, I was wondering where

53:05

she was, and well, here she is, and here's

53:07

what she had to say. She says, this crime

53:09

is nothing more than S and M that

53:11

got out of hand and

53:14

they ended up bringing in he'd stacks

53:16

of three by five cards of different women's names

53:18

and the S and M and bondage like

53:21

sex play that they liked to engage

53:23

in because he was apparently

53:26

did it all the time, and many

53:28

of the people who had been sexual partners

53:31

with him were testified that they

53:33

got into it because they were into S and M and

53:35

then he would not respond to the safe

53:37

word and he ended up he would end up

53:39

raping them or attacking them in a way. But they felt

53:42

like they couldn't do anything about it because it

53:44

started out consensual and

53:46

then turned to rape and there was nothing they could do, so

53:49

they you know, that's kind of an amazing

53:51

thing, is like that to be in a world

53:53

like that where it is actually all about this kind

53:55

of the consensual

53:57

agreement and the like it's an act of faith

54:00

almost, and then the only thing they can do

54:02

is that when it turns out he's a serial

54:04

killer vampire, they can be like, that happened to

54:06

me too.

54:06

I didn't go to the cops, or I did go to the cops and they were

54:09

like, wait, so so you

54:11

answered this personal line or whatever. Yeah,

54:13

it's like you you're a drug dealer and you get robbed. You're

54:15

not going to go to the cops and be like I was stealing drugs

54:17

and I got robbed. Yeah, that's right,

54:19

not that that's the same anyway.

54:21

Yeah, anyway, So the wife

54:23

comes out, she says that, and then

54:26

she in reference

54:28

to this nineteen year old girl being tied

54:31

down to her kitchen counter, raped and having her blood

54:34

drained, the wife says that

54:36

this had been a quote gentle rape,

54:38

devoid of any overt brutality.

54:41

She wasn't fucking there, and that's

54:43

what she is testifying in court. Gentle

54:46

rape. It's insanity, is what it is. Also,

54:48

after the trial, this same wife told

54:51

reporters that she couldn't quite understand what the fuss

54:53

was since her husband was just quote

54:56

a kinky sort of guy.

54:59

That dad, honey.

55:01

So here's the good part,

55:04

Okay, When they sentence him based

55:06

on Robert Wrestler's testimony at the

55:08

sentencing hearing where he says,

55:10

this is absolutely an organized

55:12

serial killer. We just haven't found the bodies. We're

55:15

like coming in on the back end of

55:17

his run, and you

55:19

know, and basically in all the profiling

55:22

that he gave, the judge in this

55:24

case chose to exceed the state guidelines

55:26

on rape and kidnap charges and sentenced

55:29

John Crutchley to twenty five years in life

55:31

to life in prison with fifty years

55:34

subsequent parole. Fuck you did.

55:37

And then Robert Wrestler calls this

55:40

after the

55:42

sentencing's over and he goes to jail. Robert

55:44

Wrestler's like, yeah, he's gonna get out early on

55:47

good behavior. That's how this goes. And

55:49

that's exactly what happened. He served

55:51

eleven years eleven

55:54

What does twenty five to life mean? Well,

55:57

if you're a good behavior, right.

56:00

If you don't kill anyone in prison.

56:02

So he serves eleven years. He gets out in August

56:04

of nineteen ninety six on good behavior, but

56:08

state the city officials of Malabar

56:11

and both Melibar and Fairfax, Virginia

56:13

are like, you're absolutely not coming here. Can't

56:16

you can't live here and you can't come here, so

56:19

he has to go. They put him in a halfway house

56:22

in Orlando, where he has to then live,

56:24

serve out his fifty years parole, and begin

56:26

to pay the restitution that he owes.

56:29

And while the.

56:31

Day after he's released from prison, I

56:33

hope this is what I think it is, he tests positive

56:35

for marijuana and is arrested. It's

56:37

not what I thought it was going to be.

56:38

No, but that's great. We're close. And

56:42

because it's his third strike, the first

56:44

being kidnapping, in the second being

56:47

rape, pop is his third strike,

56:49

he goes back to jail for life. Shut your fucking

56:51

mouth, U Eh. So what I

56:54

think happened is like the cops knew, especially

56:56

because of Robert Wrestler. They're just like, this

56:59

guy's going to slip through the cracks because rape

57:01

isn't that big of a deal to our legal

57:03

system, and so they just stayed on him.

57:05

They tested him. The pot that was in his

57:08

system was from a party they threw

57:10

him before he left jail, so

57:12

he had smoked pot in jail.

57:14

What so, But I wonder

57:16

if, like, are you on parole yet in jail?

57:18

Though?

57:19

No, but you're you're if it's still in your system. When

57:21

you're on parole, on day one you

57:24

test positive for marijuana. It doesn't matter when

57:26

it got into your system. Wow, you didn't

57:29

allowed to have it in your system, had it at

57:31

your party in jail two, So

57:33

he goes back, he goes back, third strike,

57:35

he's in jail for life.

57:38

And then in March of two thousand and two, he's found dead

57:40

in his cell with a plastic bag over his head

57:42

and he died asphyxiation.

57:44

Wow, but we don't know if it's suicide or not.

57:48

But of note, and

57:50

I think this is also this is a fascinating

57:52

part where I wish I was better at research.

57:55

I wish I take I took more time, and

57:57

I wish there was like I didn't really find that

57:59

man. That many articles about

58:01

this in particular, but I would love to know. When

58:04

he was arrested, he was found

58:07

to be in possession of a great deal of highly

58:09

classified information about naval

58:11

weaponry and communication, but unnamed

58:14

federal agencies other than the FBI

58:17

considered opening an espionage case

58:19

against him and his employer,

58:21

Harris Corporation, was involved not only

58:23

with NASA research and

58:25

launch facilities at Cape Canaveral, but also

58:28

with other naval contractors and subcontracts.

58:30

So he was stealing information and that's why he got fired

58:33

initially and sharing it with fucking the

58:35

Russians.

58:35

They don't know. Probably you

58:38

just rewrote that ending well, but again it's

58:40

I mean, what it is is we know that he

58:43

is a thief. Aside from all these other

58:45

ways that he's a criminal, he has no

58:47

problem stealing shit from these and he

58:49

is. He was a very very

58:52

intelligent and very successful

58:55

like computer engineers.

58:56

Engineers are not stupid people, no,

58:58

oh across the no.

59:00

So that's why they were

59:03

you know, Russell was saying, there's

59:05

many bodies that are his responsibility that

59:07

we just haven't found because he's so organized

59:09

and he's been doing this so long and

59:12

his back then when you moved around

59:14

a lot, there was no way to trace anybody

59:16

or anything. Also,

59:20

in nineteen eighty nine, crutch Lee's

59:23

former lawyer stated that he

59:25

that Crushley was prepared to confess to at least

59:27

three murders and lead police

59:30

to the burial sites, but that negotiations

59:33

between Crutchley and the prosecutors

59:35

fell through, so he just didn't do it.

59:37

What happened. It was like he wanted

59:39

too much or I don't know. That's another thing

59:41

that's fascinating. Yeah, yeah,

59:44

so they think,

59:47

I think that the thing on murder

59:49

Pedia has victims like

59:52

zero to thirty plus

59:55

in terms of murder victims. They just they

59:58

could associate him in

1:00:00

all these places that he's lived with girls just

1:00:02

disappearing, but they don't know for sure.

1:00:04

Dude. That's and even if

1:00:06

it's like, okay, a few of them wish

1:00:09

someone were murdered by someone else, that's still

1:00:11

an insane amount. That's not going to be half.

1:00:13

It's going to be at least you

1:00:15

know. Yeah, shit,

1:00:18

dude, So to say his name again, John Crutchley,

1:00:21

the vampire rapist. Okay,

1:00:23

yeah, I had never heard of that one.

1:00:25

Isn't that nuts?

1:00:26

Yeah, it's so great one.

1:00:29

I thought he was going to get stabbed to death in prison.

1:00:32

Oh I thought was going to happen. Yeah, I mean, I

1:00:34

don't know. Maybe he uh, maybe

1:00:37

he immediately like when he was in high school,

1:00:39

used to fix people's stereos for money. Oh

1:00:41

no, yeah, so maybe he just

1:00:43

was one of those people that used all of his like

1:00:46

his abilities for

1:00:49

other people.

1:00:51

Well, I can't imagine prison inmates

1:00:53

throw it just to everyone a goodbye party

1:00:55

with pot.

1:00:56

You know what I mean, Like, that's not for the

1:00:58

guy.

1:00:59

They are not Ever one gets a cake and we

1:01:01

yeah, further goodbye.

1:01:03

Yes, he claimed that they blew

1:01:05

the pot in his face. It was not his fault.

1:01:07

Yes, my cat says that to remember

1:01:11

knowing people who did that to their pets.

1:01:14

Yeah, it's the creepiest thing of all the time.

1:01:15

Horrible.

1:01:16

What's wrong with Oh he likes it't today?

1:01:21

I have a present for you, you

1:01:23

do.

1:01:23

It's an angel of death. Nice.

1:01:26

Yeah. So I've been looking up the specific

1:01:28

angel of death for a couple of weeks now, like on

1:01:30

and off if I want to do him, and it's just kind

1:01:32

of eh. So

1:01:34

yesterday I was at like a little

1:01:37

Memorial Day gathering and someone

1:01:39

brought this one up that I'd never heard of, and

1:01:42

it's the news like today

1:01:45

and I and so I looked up and I'm like, this is perfect.

1:01:49

So this is Janine Jones.

1:01:51

Do you know her? I don't know.

1:01:53

She's an angel of death. So Janine,

1:01:56

which everyone I don't know if everyone knows this is

1:01:58

a nurse or doctor

1:02:01

or some kind of medical

1:02:03

professional who kills their patients.

1:02:05

Yeah, okay.

1:02:07

So Janine Jones was born July

1:02:09

thirteenth, nineteen fifty. She grew

1:02:11

up in northwest San Antonio.

1:02:15

She was adopted by a nightclub owner

1:02:17

and he owned the KitKat Swim

1:02:19

Club, which, like you know, is

1:02:21

the best place to be swim club.

1:02:23

I don't know, Yeah,

1:02:25

a nighttime swimming club. I don't

1:02:27

know if there's anything to even do with swimming.

1:02:30

Please, I want to go to this club.

1:02:32

There's a pool in the middle. Who knows, Yes,

1:02:35

let's open it. Yes, yeah, night

1:02:37

swimming lights off? Oh my god,

1:02:39

shit, you know it's so creepy. What we just fucking

1:02:42

ate a kitcat?

1:02:44

No, true, Joe, such a delicious

1:02:46

KitKat. What are the chances from the Seattle

1:02:48

Show if you gave it to us?

1:02:50

No?

1:02:50

Oh, and they were they but they knew you love Canadian

1:02:52

kitkats, so they which are legit

1:02:54

better? It's so much better. Okay.

1:02:56

So he her.

1:02:58

Father managed the club, and

1:03:01

her adopted mother Gladys fun records

1:03:03

at the turntable. So they sound like a fucking fun

1:03:05

time awesome couple.

1:03:07

Was this in the seventies?

1:03:08

This was in and probably fifties,

1:03:10

sixties, seventies, so somewhere around that doesn't

1:03:13

say.

1:03:13

Her mom's the djate R, dad's the club owner.

1:03:15

Yeah, and so like I think it's as a kid, so it was probably

1:03:17

in the sixties. Like they sound fucking tits.

1:03:19

Yeah, why aren't you cool? They adopt four

1:03:21

kids, They sound awesome. One

1:03:25

of the brothers died of cancer

1:03:27

and another was killed by the explosion

1:03:29

of a bomb he had made when they were young.

1:03:32

Oh no, yeah.

1:03:34

So Janine worked as a beautician

1:03:36

and then she attended night nursing school

1:03:38

in the late seventies. She was super

1:03:40

smart. She scored more

1:03:42

than two hundred points above the

1:03:44

passing grade on her licensing exam. On

1:03:47

her nursing exam, and

1:03:49

so after school she'd been working as a licensed

1:03:51

vocational nurse at Bexar

1:03:54

County Hospital in San Antonio,

1:03:56

which a licensed nurse is like not

1:03:59

an RN, right, it's.

1:04:00

I think it's a step below. Yeah,

1:04:02

but I could be wrong.

1:04:03

No, you're right, because they kept talking about that, So I think you're

1:04:05

correct.

1:04:06

Yeah, RN is like the thing. My mom

1:04:08

was an RN. So she's a real judgy about

1:04:10

other medical assistants and stuff like that.

1:04:12

Or she would get very offended when people only had medical.

1:04:15

Assistance and non urse right, or if they assumed she wasn't

1:04:17

an RN, right, So.

1:04:19

Very few people ever did that though. Yeah, she'd

1:04:21

a real.

1:04:21

RN feel about Yeah, well I

1:04:23

think this chick did too, because a lot of people thought she

1:04:26

was. But she was put in the

1:04:28

eight bed pediatric intensive care

1:04:30

unit and the RNs basically said they

1:04:32

were babysitters, which is like and she was

1:04:34

just like fuck that. She

1:04:37

knew a lot about anatomy and

1:04:39

all these smart things. So

1:04:42

Bexar County would send its critically

1:04:44

ill children there when they couldn't

1:04:46

afford a private hospital, so they basically didn't

1:04:48

have insurance, and they were like, you're off to this place.

1:04:50

Oh no, yeah, which is just like, let's

1:04:53

talk about healthcare, man, let's

1:04:56

talk about her for three hours.

1:04:58

Let's get into it right now. Solve

1:05:00

it. Yeah.

1:05:02

So Janine worked a three to

1:05:04

eleven PM shift, and when

1:05:06

baby started dying on her shift regularly,

1:05:09

the other nurses she worked with started calling

1:05:12

it the death shift. Oh shit,

1:05:14

and the other nurses were like, what's up, supervisors,

1:05:17

there's something going on, but they didn't

1:05:19

want to believe. SUPERVISI didn't want to believe that the seemingly

1:05:22

super dedicated nurse was

1:05:24

hurting her patients, so they didn't even look into it.

1:05:26

But then during it

1:05:29

was like I just don't want it to be no way.

1:05:31

Yeah, she's really intense large,

1:05:34

she can't be Yeah. So then

1:05:37

eventually, during a fifteen month period in nineteen

1:05:39

eighty one and eighty two.

1:05:43

Forty okay, wait not yet.

1:05:44

So during a fifteen month period in eighty

1:05:46

one eighty two, forty two children

1:05:49

died while undergoing treatment in the pediatric

1:05:51

unit. Thirty four of

1:05:53

those patients died during the three to eleven

1:05:55

PM shifts. Oh my god, and the the

1:05:57

we're patient, like these are critically

1:06:00

ill infants and like, yeah

1:06:02

children yeah, And she had

1:06:04

directly cared for twenty of those children.

1:06:08

So the patients experienced uncontrollable

1:06:10

bleeding, seizures, and breathing

1:06:12

problems that were correlated

1:06:14

to her.

1:06:15

So in early.

1:06:15

December eighty one, an

1:06:18

infant named josh Sawyer Joshua Sawyer

1:06:21

goes to the pediatric I see you after a fire

1:06:23

destroyed his family's home. So he's

1:06:26

an infant, he was suffering from smoke inhalationian

1:06:29

and he's suffering seizures and cardiac arrest.

1:06:31

When he gets there, he's treated with de

1:06:34

lantin dilantin. That's my medicine. That's a seizure

1:06:36

medication.

1:06:37

Right.

1:06:37

Oh my god, I

1:06:40

was legitimately excited to hear mind sounded

1:06:43

sarcastic, but I was like, oh my god, no, that's no.

1:06:45

I'm excited for you. That's mine. Thank you, me

1:06:47

too.

1:06:48

Do you also take fenn of barbadal phoena barbitoll

1:06:50

No, okay, it's nott that like, okay, that's

1:06:52

old kind of Yeah.

1:06:53

Mine's a little bit old too. They want me to not take

1:06:55

it anymore, but it's the only thing that controls my sees

1:06:58

really.

1:07:00

Won if it changes, like

1:07:02

like when you change ages and you get used,

1:07:04

you know probably the brain is

1:07:06

such a mystery, but it can't be fun to be like,

1:07:08

let's try this one now. In the same

1:07:11

way the anidepressants, it's like, no, please,

1:07:13

don't put me on a new one. I know it's going to be months of fucking

1:07:16

uh trial and error.

1:07:18

Yeah, and mine my trial and error

1:07:20

was I would have half seizures and spin

1:07:22

in a circle like a dog that was about to take a nap.

1:07:25

Care in this I did it on stage a

1:07:27

couple of times, and you had to lay down right yeap,

1:07:30

because nobody knew be turning in like

1:07:33

looking I would. It was like I was needed to look over

1:07:35

my shoulder. Oh I want to cry for

1:07:37

like fifteen seconds. Oh my god,

1:07:39

I'm fucking insane. Maybe

1:07:42

I've been through the mill. You really have?

1:07:44

That's that makes me so sad.

1:07:46

Really, I love that I am. No matter

1:07:48

what the scenario, we could be talking about

1:07:51

children being murdered, I can still

1:07:53

make it about me.

1:07:54

And that's what this podcast is. Isn't it my

1:07:57

favorite making it about me moment? My

1:07:59

favorite me? I don't

1:08:01

know.

1:08:02

Sorry, um no,

1:08:05

that's good. Anyways,

1:08:08

back to this infant.

1:08:11

So he's on thy lantern and phoena

1:08:13

barbital and by his fourth day at the ICU,

1:08:15

the seizures had stopped and he was breathing on his own.

1:08:19

But his mother, Connie Weeks at

1:08:21

the urging of a friend, so she had been bedside

1:08:23

this whole fucking time, freaking out after her entire house

1:08:25

burned down and she has having a fucking seizure, no

1:08:27

panic attack. Baby, friend

1:08:30

is like, get out of here. She goes home to take a

1:08:32

shower, change her clothes, like be normal

1:08:35

and also goes to see a movie, which

1:08:37

is like they want her to be

1:08:39

distracted, yes, and relax right,

1:08:41

which seems hard. I mean, so

1:08:44

in the theater watching

1:08:46

the movie, the usher finds her no

1:08:48

and is like, they meet you at the hospital immediately,

1:08:52

because when she left, he was like, probably stable,

1:08:54

right, Jesus Man.

1:08:57

So Joshua's heart had begun racing a

1:08:59

few hours after

1:09:02

Janine took over his care. That day,

1:09:05

doctors weren't able to help him, and he

1:09:07

died the following day after suffering

1:09:09

two more cardiac arrests.

1:09:13

She was also on duty at the time. Wait,

1:09:16

she was on duty again, so like the next day

1:09:18

at the time of the death as well, and blood

1:09:20

tests done between his cardiac

1:09:22

episodes that were overlooked

1:09:25

showed more than three times the therapeutic

1:09:27

level of dilantin in his system

1:09:30

three times, so the hospital

1:09:32

started private searches finally to determine

1:09:35

if Gene which I think she was called Gene,

1:09:37

also was killing patients. So between

1:09:39

May and December of eighty one, the

1:09:42

last of the hospital's internal inquiries

1:09:44

found ten children in the ICU had

1:09:46

died after quote sudden and

1:09:48

unexplained complications. In

1:09:51

all ten cases. Jeanine Jones was

1:09:53

present at the child's bedside during what

1:09:55

the report gently terms the final

1:09:57

events. So

1:10:01

instead of okay, but the hospital was in the middle of

1:10:03

a public relations campaign designed

1:10:05

to makeover its image, and so

1:10:07

it didn't tell the police of the findings.

1:10:10

Oh uh huh, which were

1:10:12

that near the findings, children

1:10:14

were twenty five point five times

1:10:17

more likely to suffer a medical emergency

1:10:20

and ten point seven times more likely to die

1:10:23

during her shift. Fuck yeah,

1:10:25

tell somebody, dude. Alert

1:10:29

the fucking media. Actually, I feel

1:10:31

like the media is a great place to turn when no one will fucking

1:10:33

listen to you for sure, you know.

1:10:35

Especially independently owned

1:10:38

a rolling stone if you will. I don't know if

1:10:40

that's that's the end of Firestarter,

1:10:43

when they're like running, running, running from the government

1:10:45

and the black ops and the you know, men in black

1:10:48

and all that, and they finally like the dad

1:10:50

is killed.

1:10:51

Anyway, I haven't seen it, so I read it. I read

1:10:53

it when I was like thirteen.

1:10:54

I was obsessed.

1:10:55

Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:56

They gave me nightmares when I read it, and I was like

1:10:58

probably the same age as you. Very end,

1:11:01

like they put the story of all of it into

1:11:03

an envelope and drop it off at Rolling Stone.

1:11:05

That's the way to do it.

1:11:07

It made me so excited.

1:11:08

Yeah, I got Okay, that's when I was watching The Keepers.

1:11:10

I was like, you know, they start talking to a journalist

1:11:12

and it's like, no one will listen to you. Bring

1:11:14

all your evidence to like some badass

1:11:17

investigative journalists.

1:11:18

How about that fucking journalist By the way, I love

1:11:20

that man so much from The Keepers. He is a

1:11:22

genius. They are so important. Yeah,

1:11:24

they're amazing, and there's a resurgence of

1:11:27

them now that we all realize that journalism

1:11:29

is very important. Oops. We need them, yes

1:11:32

badly.

1:11:32

So instead of letting

1:11:34

everyone know in March of eighty

1:11:37

two, they're all like, all

1:11:39

right, you know what we're gonna do. Instead of telling anyone

1:11:41

about Janine, We're going to take all

1:11:43

of those nurses that are on the ICU

1:11:46

and upgrade them to nursing staff

1:11:49

so they all get the fuck out of there, all right.

1:11:51

They take all of them. They say they're

1:11:53

upgrading to nursing staffs to only be

1:11:56

registered nurses in that section, and they

1:11:58

kick all of them out.

1:11:59

Okay, all the nurses.

1:12:00

Who were there get kicked the fuck out Yeah,

1:12:02

they offered them jobs and other parts of

1:12:05

it, but this is the way to

1:12:07

to just not fire her. And

1:12:09

all of those nurses, including Janine,

1:12:11

were given good recommendations.

1:12:14

Giving them a proof that it was her.

1:12:16

Well, they went through this whole thing, and I think they

1:12:18

did, but they were just like, didn't want to have a

1:12:20

pr thing.

1:12:21

This is very much how the Catholic Church would

1:12:23

have acted.

1:12:23

Yeah, right, just move them

1:12:25

around and move them around, put them somewhere that they're not

1:12:27

around children anymore.

1:12:29

Like, yeah, it's somebody else's problem.

1:12:31

Yeah, Okay. In

1:12:33

her recommendation letter, she was described as loyal,

1:12:36

dependable, and trustworthy.

1:12:38

Yeah.

1:12:39

So five months later, she takes a job with a pediatrician,

1:12:42

doctor Kathleen Holland in Kerrville,

1:12:45

Caraville, probably Kurveville because

1:12:47

it's bill k e r r v

1:12:50

l E Curvill.

1:12:51

Yeah.

1:12:52

This is the part in the live shows where they would start screaming

1:12:55

at us, all in us and we wouldn't understand a single

1:12:57

fucking word.

1:13:03

So in a period of thirty one days as she's

1:13:05

working there, seven patients in eight separate

1:13:07

medical emergencies how to be taken to the hospital.

1:13:10

In a month, h Yeah,

1:13:13

Yeah, because here's the thing, it's such

1:13:15

an obsession for I'm

1:13:18

assuming she she knows

1:13:20

like this is a way smaller like playing

1:13:22

field, you'll it'll be so much more.

1:13:24

Obviously she does it anyway, she can't not

1:13:26

do it. Yeah, it's so crazy.

1:13:28

Well, you know, is it the thing of like what is

1:13:30

the thing? Does she want to look like a hero? Is

1:13:33

she does she have? Yeah, she wants to

1:13:35

save the day. It seems like a lot, which is a lot of

1:13:37

the reason they do that. Most people do that.

1:13:39

I believe that's what it is. It's like they it's a

1:13:42

right, it's so that they were writtenaming some

1:13:44

things.

1:13:44

It's that it's putting the quote putting them

1:13:46

out of their misery when it's like older people, which

1:13:49

isn't true because this other dude I was looking up

1:13:51

just killed like people who came in for like a broken

1:13:54

arm or some shit.

1:13:54

Yeah, I don't believe the putting in your misery because I did

1:13:56

that British doctor I can't

1:13:59

remember, but he did this thing, and it was people who

1:14:01

were not in misery, right, there was nothing wrong with

1:14:03

them. Yeah, he would just liked killing

1:14:05

people. He liked the control.

1:14:06

And actually you brought up Misery and Firestarter.

1:14:09

That's weird.

1:14:10

It's said that this one Jeanine is

1:14:12

one of the what Stephen

1:14:14

King wrote Misery when he wrote

1:14:16

Amy Bates.

1:14:18

No, Kathy Bates is the actress Annie.

1:14:21

I can't remember the character. That's one of my favorite

1:14:23

movies. It's so good. We need to watch. It's so

1:14:26

horrifying. It's She's the scariest

1:14:28

fucking thing in the world.

1:14:29

She went an Emmy oscar

1:14:31

whatever.

1:14:33

She shot one book man, she should

1:14:35

have swept, she should have gotten it. What

1:14:38

is it called the glad or it's no? What's

1:14:40

not? I didn't mean you know what I mean? Listen

1:14:43

the Tony's Yeah, But what's it called in

1:14:45

thirty Rock?

1:14:45

When you went all of them, you got yeah, the

1:14:47

Egoch Bubba's thirty

1:14:50

Rock. Well, this is like, bitch,

1:14:52

get your shit together, my

1:14:55

mom, Okay, okay,

1:14:57

takes a job thirty one days, seven patients.

1:15:00

The doctor in the office then

1:15:02

discovered puncture marks in a bottle of

1:15:05

here we Go psychonol,

1:15:07

psychonal chlorine cychonal chlorine

1:15:12

second in the drug storage

1:15:14

where only she and Jones had access and contents

1:15:16

of the apparently full bottle. Bottle was

1:15:19

supposed to be full later found to be

1:15:21

diluted. So basically, she's a teenager taking the

1:15:23

vodka bottle and fucking out

1:15:25

of the freezer. Does this you there's

1:15:27

some story of like that some roommate

1:15:30

was like some girl at her roommate took

1:15:33

her vodka bottle that fell out of the fridge and broke

1:15:36

No, no, no, the vodka

1:15:38

was frozen, which it doesn't do, which

1:15:41

means it was always water at that point.

1:15:43

There, It is something ridiculous.

1:15:46

Yeah, that's the bust. Yeah,

1:15:48

So basically she's a

1:15:50

monster. So the drug, which

1:15:52

I refuse to say again, is.

1:15:54

A powerful paralytic that causes

1:15:56

temporary paralysis of all skeletal

1:15:58

muscles as well as those

1:16:01

that control breathing, so a patient can't

1:16:03

breathe while under the influence, and

1:16:05

small children cardiac arrest is the ultimate

1:16:07

result due to lack of respiration.

1:16:10

Huh.

1:16:12

One of those children at this location

1:16:15

was Chelsea McClelland. She died on September

1:16:17

seventeenth, nineteen eighty two. She was a fifteen

1:16:19

month old. She went into a respiratory failure

1:16:21

after Jones injected her.

1:16:24

Was supposed to be routine immunizations,

1:16:27

So you go in to get like cholera, whatever

1:16:29

the fuck they immune you for. Yeah, and

1:16:31

chuck, she fucking dies a powerful

1:16:35

it's usually used as general anesthesia

1:16:37

for surgical patients. So she's

1:16:40

charged with Chelsea's murder, but the

1:16:42

prosecutors decided not to file charges against

1:16:44

her in the death of any of the children she was

1:16:46

expected of killing because they thought

1:16:48

that the ninety nine year sentence that she got

1:16:51

she was found guilty nine nine years cents plus. She

1:16:53

also got a sixty year sentence

1:16:55

for giving a four week old Rolando

1:16:58

Santos a large dose of the blood than

1:17:00

her heparin, but

1:17:02

he survived, but he got She had another

1:17:04

sixty years and in nineteen eighty four, and they were like,

1:17:06

well, she'll never get out, so we don't really need to prosecute

1:17:08

her for anymore people. She'll

1:17:10

be in jail for the rest of her life, right, Yeah,

1:17:13

nope, no, no, all

1:17:15

right, So today's

1:17:17

what the thirtieth We decided today is the thirtieth.

1:17:19

Okay, that's the truth. So

1:17:23

on Oh yeah, I mean I guess you know

1:17:25

what I mean. We decide now, we

1:17:27

decide. No, we didn't tell you. On

1:17:29

May twenty fifth of twenty eighteen,

1:17:32

so a year from basically a couple of days ago.

1:17:34

She's sixty six years old.

1:17:36

She's supposed to be eligible, she's been eligible,

1:17:39

eligible for paroles since eighty nine, but

1:17:41

is repeatedly denied because she's a monster.

1:17:44

But she's going.

1:17:45

She was said to be released from prison after

1:17:47

serving one third of her sentence, So

1:17:49

in a year.

1:17:51

Wow, Yeah, and it's because.

1:17:53

We here we go again with good behavior

1:17:56

Texas had. Texas created

1:17:58

a law called time, the

1:18:00

good Time law, which is which

1:18:02

is not a good time, probably for the victims,

1:18:05

which was created to combat prison overcrowding,

1:18:09

allows inmates convicted of a violent

1:18:11

of violent crimes between seventy

1:18:13

seven and eighty seven to be released if they have

1:18:15

a record of good behavior. Like

1:18:18

let the dude who got caught with some pot

1:18:21

go.

1:18:21

Yeah, that's just it, you know, it's

1:18:24

that's just it.

1:18:24

You had meth in your pocket that you were using.

1:18:26

It wasn't enough to sell.

1:18:28

Who fuck let them out?

1:18:30

Yeah?

1:18:31

Who cares? Right compared

1:18:33

to the people who clearly have a

1:18:36

mental illness compulsion to

1:18:41

what do you exact bodily harm? Yeah,

1:18:44

on their fellow man.

1:18:45

Who have no empathetic tendencies whatsoever.

1:18:48

Who if you're I'm sorry, But if you're over

1:18:50

the age of twenty one and you commit murder,

1:18:52

you know.

1:18:53

You've thought this through in

1:18:55

some point.

1:18:56

It's you know you're not going The rehab thing

1:18:58

is so hard to think when it's people who murdered,

1:19:01

systematically murder people in cold blood

1:19:03

and systematically murdered infants

1:19:08

that you were in charge of. That your nurse,

1:19:10

it's part of your I don't know if nurses taken

1:19:12

oath or that they's a part of

1:19:14

it.

1:19:15

It's part of going. I'm a medical worker.

1:19:17

I'm going to act like I'm going to stand in family

1:19:20

member watching your child

1:19:22

while your child is at the most vulnerable point

1:19:24

it could possibly be.

1:19:25

It's almost Yeah, it should be worse when you

1:19:27

agree or you are

1:19:29

supposed to be taking care of someone

1:19:32

or making them live.

1:19:34

Yeah.

1:19:34

Yeah.

1:19:35

Because the thing is, we know she's

1:19:38

been in jail safe for thirty years or whatever

1:19:40

it is. She gets out of jail, that thing

1:19:42

that she has has in probably

1:19:45

no way been addressed of I

1:19:47

need to be. It's just

1:19:49

her life is dedicated to making

1:19:52

just like serial killers, they kill,

1:19:54

that's what they do. They have to do it.

1:19:56

And then it's that charge you have

1:19:58

to be a charming and pipulator to get away

1:20:01

with this thing for so long that I

1:20:03

don't care how much therapy you've had in prison. You're

1:20:06

a charming manipulator. You're not going to fucking

1:20:09

exercise that out of someone, right, I don't care

1:20:11

how good of a therapist you are.

1:20:12

Yeah, yeah, and I don't

1:20:14

care. And I don't care.

1:20:16

Maybe you're better, maybe you're not like that anymore. You

1:20:18

fucking still have to pay for the crime you committed.

1:20:20

Yeah, I don't care if you're fucking saint.

1:20:22

Well. And also it's the thing of trying to get

1:20:24

things because there's so much backlog

1:20:27

in its system. They're just trying to get things moved

1:20:30

through. But it's like, you know, and

1:20:32

hopefully this when like they

1:20:36

come upon this for like the parole board or whatever,

1:20:38

that's taken into consideration. This

1:20:40

isn't a person that just like accidentally

1:20:42

hits somebody with her car or intentionally hit

1:20:44

somebody with her car in a crime of passion, well,

1:20:47

a person who's systematically murdered

1:20:50

babies.

1:20:50

It's also that thing of like, uh,

1:20:53

yeah, so the parole board said

1:20:55

no because they looked at the evidence

1:20:57

and realized time and time again

1:21:00

that she shouldn't be out. What is the point

1:21:03

of our judicial system who gave her

1:21:05

ninety nine years for this horrible crime,

1:21:07

if you're just going to override it, you

1:21:10

know, like it makes people not as scared

1:21:12

to commit crimes because

1:21:14

it's listen,

1:21:18

hey, listen, listen, look and listen, listen.

1:21:20

Look there we go. Da

1:21:24

da da da dah. Okay, so

1:21:27

good behavior. Because because

1:21:29

of this, Brexaw

1:21:31

County prosecutors were like, how

1:21:34

fucking now. A couple of years ago, I think

1:21:36

they found out about this. They launched

1:21:38

a secret investigation into her time

1:21:40

as a nurse, and when

1:21:42

they realize that she's going to be released,

1:21:45

they believe that she may They

1:21:48

estimate that she may have killed as

1:21:50

many as forty to sixty fuck

1:21:53

suspicious deaths under her watch. She

1:21:56

killed your grammar school class

1:21:58

of job. I'd

1:22:01

see three kids in my class, okay,

1:22:03

So okay, I thought you meant in your not in your own

1:22:06

class, but like in multiple

1:22:08

classes.

1:22:09

No, no, no, in like grammar school. I'm

1:22:11

just thinking, like our sixth grade class had sixty

1:22:13

three kids. Yeah, it would be as if she went

1:22:15

through and systematically secretly poisoned every.

1:22:17

Single one of them Jesus Christ

1:22:19

as babies, as babies.

1:22:22

I'm trying to put out there. I'm to pa put a metaphor

1:22:24

out there that only I can relate to you.

1:22:26

No, that's a good one, because I wouldn't have known what to do,

1:22:28

like what to say, like they killed the amount

1:22:31

of people who were at the pool yesterday. Like no, but

1:22:33

that doesn't make any sense. You're right, right, yeah,

1:22:35

okay?

1:22:36

So on.

1:22:37

So on May twenty fifth, a

1:22:39

couple fucking days ago.

1:22:42

So twenty seventeen, Brexar County

1:22:44

District's Attorney's office announced that she had

1:22:46

been charged in the eighty one death of eleven

1:22:48

month old Joshua Sawyer, the kid who

1:22:51

got killed because his house burned

1:22:53

down. So they went back to

1:22:55

that poor kid and charged

1:22:59

she charged her. So I think she's

1:23:02

just going straight to the other county. They're

1:23:06

just basically transferring her to another prison, and she's.

1:23:08

Not getting out.

1:23:08

So she would have gotten out and she won't. So

1:23:11

District Attorney Sam D. Millsap

1:23:14

Junior.

1:23:16

Oh, Ronnie's nephew is

1:23:19

that well, it's a deep cut for all the

1:23:21

middle aged people. Ronnie Millsup is a country

1:23:24

singer. Nope, Oh, you told.

1:23:25

Me about him, No I have who's

1:23:27

the guy that you told me about who was in Mickey

1:23:30

Gilly? Yeah, who was in

1:23:32

the show? We like all

1:23:34

Fargo.

1:23:34

Mac Davis Okay, that's mac Davis.

1:23:37

But actually same school, ok same

1:23:39

like class.

1:23:40

Someone some middle aged is losing

1:23:42

his mind right now. Yeah that you said that perhaps Ronnie

1:23:44

Millsap himself. Maybe

1:23:47

Ronnie Millsop was blind. That's

1:23:50

something we could look up. But why,

1:23:54

I mean, why do we're not worried about facts

1:23:56

right now? This isn't a fucking country

1:23:59

music podcat listen, sorry, start

1:24:01

your own podcast about music if you really

1:24:03

want to know.

1:24:03

There's god damn interested in his life.

1:24:06

So he this dude, Milsap Junior.

1:24:09

He's six months into an investigation of

1:24:13

the county Bexar County Hospital which

1:24:15

is now called but

1:24:18

but nope, Okay,

1:24:21

which is now called University Hospital of

1:24:23

San Antonio. And everyone's like I

1:24:25

went there, so

1:24:27

they changed their fucking name.

1:24:28

Yes, smart move. So he is

1:24:30

looking.

1:24:31

Into why no one stopped all

1:24:33

of these so like holding them accountable?

1:24:35

Thank god.

1:24:36

Yes, he

1:24:39

says he's focusing his criminal investigation not

1:24:41

only on Jeanine but also on the hospital

1:24:43

for its in actions. So josh

1:24:45

Sawyer's death a sweet kid.

1:24:48

One of the reasons they're able

1:24:51

to prosecute it now and why they have such strong

1:24:53

evidence, is because Joshua's

1:24:55

mother kept her son's and medical records for

1:24:57

more than three decades and

1:24:59

she said, it's all I had left of Joshua.

1:25:02

She said everything else was

1:25:04

destroyed in the fire.

1:25:06

Oh no, I don't

1:25:08

know why.

1:25:09

That gets me so bad, so sad,

1:25:11

it's so goddamn sad she has She

1:25:14

walks away from that hospital with nothing,

1:25:17

and so she keeps these records and they probably

1:25:19

didn't have them anymore, you know how those records

1:25:21

things.

1:25:21

Go exactly right. And also it's

1:25:24

just that fucking hospital

1:25:28

put their own image

1:25:31

above human life, which is the opposite

1:25:33

reason to have a hospital. And

1:25:35

it's somehow so much worse that it was children.

1:25:39

Children. Yeah, it's almost worse.

1:25:42

I mean, no one is better than

1:25:44

the next, but it's so heartless.

1:25:47

It's well, they just have no They

1:25:49

couldn't even fight. It's not like somebody

1:25:51

they could go, what are you, why are you putting that needle in my arm

1:25:53

or anything.

1:25:54

It's just like I don't see they can say, I

1:25:56

don't feel well something, you know, it's

1:25:58

this thing of Yeah,

1:26:00

it could have been stopped at any time, had

1:26:03

anyone taken the time to do their job,

1:26:05

which is to protect the patients and not the hospital.

1:26:07

It's like the people who could have

1:26:10

investigated what was going on there, who worked there,

1:26:12

it wasn't They didn't know in the hospital. It's

1:26:15

not like they needed to worry about the image of the hospital.

1:26:17

Right. And also, I mean, it's a fucking hospital.

1:26:19

It's not like you just started a PR company. Yeah,

1:26:22

people are going to go to the hospital. They

1:26:24

have to still up a ladder, you have

1:26:27

a blade of you

1:26:29

know, a knife in your arm, whatever

1:26:31

it is. It's not like you're like, oh, don't go to

1:26:33

that hospital. I did, they had some issues.

1:26:35

I went to Hollywood Presbyterian because I

1:26:38

needed help immediately end that place.

1:26:41

I don't want to talk shit out of school and

1:26:43

on a podcast, but that's what you're doing.

1:26:45

That's what I'm doing. All I'm going to say is don't

1:26:48

go there.

1:26:48

Bad News very

1:26:51

is that the one that's on Western.

1:26:52

Yeah, No, Vermont Vermont on

1:26:54

Vermont, Yeah, down by the Wendy's, right.

1:26:56

Yeah, across from the Wendy's.

1:26:58

Yeah.

1:26:58

Wow, that everything is shut

1:27:00

up, Stephen. That's what That's how I measure

1:27:03

all things. How close to the

1:27:05

twenties. Yes, that's the closest one, but I knew

1:27:07

immediately. Yes, yeah, so

1:27:09

you do that too. I

1:27:12

mean, there's nothing worse when you're

1:27:14

in like when you're

1:27:16

in a bad spot. And it's so weird because having a

1:27:18

nurse mom growing up, when we would

1:27:21

have to go was like my mom worked for Kaiser, so we just

1:27:23

always go to a Kaiser. Yeah, like the

1:27:25

the We never didn't have insurance,

1:27:28

we never didn't have coverage, all of that stuff.

1:27:30

And my mom used to harp on me when

1:27:32

I didn't have insurance after they

1:27:34

took me and my sister off there for

1:27:36

like your adults get your own and I

1:27:38

didn't, of course, and then she'd be like, you

1:27:41

have to get insurance and I'd just be like what for why?

1:27:44

Well, then when I had my seizures, I didn't have insurance

1:27:46

and I went to Harbor UCLA in Torrance,

1:27:50

and it was horrifying

1:27:53

when you you don't want

1:27:55

to go to a counting hospital without your insurance.

1:27:57

Well, look and listen, they're in they're our

1:28:00

neighborhoods. That Hollywood.

1:28:02

You know, Western and fucking Fountain

1:28:05

is not the center of Beverly.

1:28:09

Hills and all the bad shit

1:28:11

that happens in that neighborhood. People just get dumb by

1:28:13

this hospital. It's not that they're bad people. It's not

1:28:15

that the people that work there aren't talented. Yeah,

1:28:18

it's that they're the ones that are like almost

1:28:20

like it's front line style where they're just seeing

1:28:22

tons of stuff all the time. It's rough.

1:28:25

Listen Burbank Urgent Care shout

1:28:27

out. Hey, So that's

1:28:29

the story of Janine Jones. She's

1:28:32

the angel of death.

1:28:33

Wow.

1:28:33

Thank god they fucking swooped right

1:28:35

in, right in time and kept her off the streets

1:28:37

because you know, like, yeah, they'd be like, you

1:28:39

can't be in their children, but that

1:28:42

shit falls through the cracks.

1:28:43

Also, then she just is going to do something. She's

1:28:45

going to like start this is

1:28:47

my theory. But she would then start driving

1:28:49

for meals on wheels and suddenly people, you

1:28:51

know what I mean, she would She doesn't mean it's

1:28:54

poison people to death, Oh my gosh.

1:28:56

She would just go do it some other way because it's

1:28:58

a compulsion that hasn't been dressed, i'm sure,

1:29:01

or fixed in her in any way.

1:29:03

I wonder where it came from, because it feels like they's

1:29:05

like maybe it's her brother's dying. Maybe

1:29:08

it's when she is little.

1:29:10

I mean, there has to be.

1:29:12

And she was.

1:29:13

Married and had two children. Yeah, I got

1:29:15

to mention that, like, so she had babies at one point.

1:29:17

Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah,

1:29:19

something happened like in her life

1:29:21

because aside from a mental

1:29:24

illness obviously when

1:29:26

it's I've read a lot more

1:29:29

about less about angels of death because

1:29:31

they just I find that they're so straightforward

1:29:33

that it's like, oh, yeah, that's why.

1:29:35

The other one I was just like, I don't know if I can do that. It's

1:29:37

just kind of.

1:29:37

It's just plain sad. But

1:29:40

it's interesting because it's very similar to the munchauses

1:29:43

by proxy where and that's the

1:29:45

real one, where oftentimes it's mothers poisoning

1:29:48

their children, and there they

1:29:50

get so much out of doctors

1:29:53

and staff members and everybody worrying

1:29:55

about them, pitying them. They

1:29:58

become the focus of the attend people.

1:30:00

Well.

1:30:01

The thing too, is that she was saying that her

1:30:03

first, the first patient she ever had,

1:30:05

I see you as an infant who died

1:30:07

on her watch and it broke her

1:30:09

heart. But I wonder either she killed

1:30:11

that infant or the attention she got

1:30:14

when that happened, having been this child's

1:30:16

nurse at the time was

1:30:18

so fulfilling that she couldn't stop

1:30:20

because maybe, you know, she had just been a perfectionist

1:30:23

before that, or maybe she had just you know, it's

1:30:25

the thing of how people some people love having

1:30:28

the approval of

1:30:30

people who above them. They're you know, so like

1:30:32

the doctors and our ends were like

1:30:35

commending her for how she dealt

1:30:37

with it and comforting her, com hurting

1:30:39

her. Yeah, yeah, it's so fascinating.

1:30:42

You see that horrible video, and they

1:30:44

put a video.

1:30:46

Camera hidden in No, don't

1:30:48

want to well, I can't say the word slowly.

1:30:50

No, I can stop you.

1:30:51

I'm not gonna say it. Kid survived, The

1:30:53

kid survives.

1:30:54

Is it a babysitter that abuses the child?

1:30:56

No, it's fine. I can see. I can

1:30:58

still see in my head and it's me.

1:31:00

Too, And I can't watch that. No. A

1:31:02

father. They put a video camera

1:31:04

in there because they knew something was going on in the hospital,

1:31:07

in the hospital room where the little girl was sick.

1:31:09

He puts his body on top of hers

1:31:12

and tries to like stop her from

1:31:14

breathing, and a nurse rushes in and catches

1:31:16

him and he gets arrested and.

1:31:18

Because he had Munchausen's, Yeah,

1:31:20

he was making her. He's trying to smother

1:31:22

her. Yeah, holy shit, I'm sorry

1:31:24

you crying? No, no, no, why

1:31:26

not? I can

1:31:29

did you have no? I used it all up on that.

1:31:31

The idea of that the only thing you have left of your child

1:31:34

is medical records.

1:31:35

It's just like, I know,

1:31:37

but how triumphant

1:31:39

for her?

1:31:40

Will think fucking god? Yeah, because

1:31:42

then it's yeah, yeah.

1:31:44

Half those podcasts we listen to that are like investigative

1:31:47

reporting, is them trying to get whatever

1:31:49

basic medical records or crime

1:31:52

records. What are they that they

1:31:54

can't that no one will give them? That's all

1:31:57

of the keepers. Is them going, I'm sorry, how

1:31:59

do you not have these records anymore? How do they

1:32:01

not exist anymore? There's a lot of floods

1:32:03

and basements of police stations,

1:32:06

so much flooding. There's a flooding is

1:32:08

a what's it called? It's a common

1:32:10

problem, yeah, or it's an epidemic.

1:32:13

Yes.

1:32:14

Anyways, Well, wow, that was

1:32:16

great.

1:32:16

That's been two hours of my favorite murder

1:32:18

Wow, Really I don't know. Oh

1:32:21

yeah, so because that was horrible And actually

1:32:24

I did not think this through of

1:32:26

what my thing was from this week.

1:32:27

Yeah you go first.

1:32:29

No, okay, I said you had one. I do,

1:32:31

and I didn't think it through. Totally

1:32:35

didn't.

1:32:36

Okay.

1:32:37

I met my friend's brand new baby yesterday.

1:32:40

I swear to god, I didn't do that on purpose.

1:32:43

And for a minute I thought I had done a different murder. I was

1:32:45

doing a different murder. Oh my god,

1:32:48

yeah, curtain lord. I didn't

1:32:50

go because I was sick.

1:32:51

Oh I would have passed harassed

1:32:54

you in coming.

1:32:54

Oh no, I meann't be a

1:32:56

brand of baby and have this disgusting

1:33:00

coughed on the babies.

1:33:01

So I went to my friend current Lauren's

1:33:03

house yesterday. They

1:33:06

have the Wedlock podcast

1:33:08

an audible. It's great. Everyone listened. And

1:33:11

this baby, it's like two months old, and

1:33:13

it's so weird to see your friend's face in a

1:33:16

baby, and I kind of and the baby's

1:33:19

laughing with me. And this baby

1:33:21

is so chill and sweet and has he's like dark

1:33:24

gray blue eye. I mean, she's darling. Her

1:33:26

name's Olive. And I was for

1:33:28

a moment like me, So

1:33:32

I turned to Vince and I said, a dog or a

1:33:34

baby.

1:33:35

Pick one. So we're

1:33:37

gonna get a dog. That's

1:33:40

exactly why you should make decisions like that. Oh yeah,

1:33:42

nice ultimatums. Yeah you

1:33:44

can get a dog with blue eyes. I can get a baby

1:33:46

dog. Yeah that's right. Oh

1:33:49

that's awesome. Yeah, what's yours? I can't wait to see that baby.

1:33:51

Oh cutie. I

1:33:54

mean we did mention it, I guess I will

1:33:56

say this. We did mention it very briefly on

1:33:58

the minisode that you and I

1:34:00

went to a therapy session together, And

1:34:03

I had to say, it just made me. First

1:34:06

of all, it made me so happy because we both know

1:34:08

how to be in therapy, so we cut to the

1:34:10

chase really fast of just like this

1:34:12

is what we need, we have to like do whatever. But

1:34:15

it made me feel so fucking mature

1:34:18

and like like we're

1:34:20

not. It's not like there's a problem we have. We're

1:34:22

trying to prevent a problem because

1:34:24

we are in a very we're in rare

1:34:26

air. No, we can't go to anybody

1:34:28

that got and go, hey, have you ever gone

1:34:30

through this before? Because no one that I know

1:34:33

has in this specific way, and

1:34:35

we basically we of course

1:34:37

we have Stephen, but we just have each other.

1:34:40

We've argued in front of Stephen before, sweetly

1:34:42

with his face pretending to write stech.

1:34:46

Where we just it's just as it

1:34:48

was. It just felt like such a like

1:34:51

we were just getting at the problem

1:34:54

without being We were just like, let's