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Hi, Hi, Welcome

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to my favorite murder.

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This is the podcast where

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we tell you true crimes and horrible

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things that have happened to good people.

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Yeah, and a little about ourselves

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sometimes when we oh, just a tad, just

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a touch about ourselves, when we feel

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like going on a tangent.

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Which is every single episode for a

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minimum forty nine minutes, it's

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sprinkled throughout. Get ready. Oh yeah, So

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we don't just keep it at the top. We'll put it in the

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middle and then also at the end.

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I mean listen, look,

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look and listen.

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Okay, So we should probably start with the biggest

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announcement and the one that people constantly tweet

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us about and ask us about. Thank

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you for your interest. We are

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going on tour again and we are

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now going to announce the dates

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of our Australian and American

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tour.

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Yeah. Are you ready to hear what

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we're doing?

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Yeah.

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Australia you know already, but we're adding a couple shows.

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Actually, so

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New Zealand Auckland is there are still

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tickets available. It's on Wednesday, September

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sixteenth, and then September sixth,

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thank you.

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That's Wembury September sixth, the beginning

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of September.

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And then we're adding shows in Melbourne and Sydney

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because we have two shows that each and they sold

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or one or they sold out. So

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September tenth in Melbourne at the Comedy

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Theater, Melbourne and

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September twelfth in Sydney.

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Australia, there's another show at the.

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Fuck Opera House. At

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the Sydney Opera House du side room, we're

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in the jazz room. No, I have no idea, and we're actually

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in the bathroom. We're just going to be in the bathroom.

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Yeah, that's right.

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If you want to come and talk to us at the Sydney Opera House,

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we're going to be loitering in them in his bathroom

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from nine duel.

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It's actually a chamber orchestra that

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night, but we'll be in the bathroom.

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Yes, do you want to switch off and we'll just do

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the dates and cities of each one after Yeah,

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okay, so listen to this, you guys. On Friday

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September twenty ninth, we're coming to Detroit, Michigan.

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So excited for that. On October thirteenth,

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San Diego, California.

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On October fourteenth, Anaheim, in California.

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On October nineteenth, Minneapolis, Minnesota

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on.

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October twentieth, Madison, Wisconsin, November

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third, Tampa, Florida November fourth, A Learned

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of Florida November fifth. Fort Lauderdale, Florida,

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November tenth. This is big. We've

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they've been waiting for us. Houston, Texas.

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We're coming to.

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You, buck Yeah. And then November eleventh. Don't

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worry, Dallas, We're going to be there.

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Oh hell yeah, Dallas. We saw your TV show.

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We know how good you can be.

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December eighth, Saint Louis, Missouri, and then

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December ninth, Kansas City, Missouri. And that's

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it for our twenty seventeen tour, and then

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there's going to be more stuff going on in twenty eighteen.

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But so we also want to tell you guys.

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Okay, so Monday July thirty first, at

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ten am, the pre sale tickets go on sale

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and the password is murdering now.

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But you have to go to my favorite

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Murder Slash Live and then click

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the links for each show there, because

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otherwise some fucking scalpers are going to buy

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them and tell you that this is the link you want to

3:10

use, and it's not true.

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So if you want the official link,

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you have to go to my favorite murder dot com

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forward slash Live, and then find your

3:18

city there and buy your tickets off the link

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that we have listed. We can't read. There's lots

3:22

of complaints last time about scalping

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and prices and all that kind of stuff, and that's

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why we do pre sales so our fans that hear this

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show can get their tickets first,

3:31

and then you have to do it off the official

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link. Obviously we can't, you know,

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we can't make everything work. But

3:38

that's we were trying to make things a little

3:40

bit better so people aren't like buying some you

3:43

know, nasty, weird website

3:46

tickets that don't exist or whatever.

3:48

So murdering now that's I'm which,

3:50

I'm really excited about a

3:52

lot of these cities, and I won't say which ones I'm I was about

3:54

to say which ones I might need.

3:56

That would be great, not for you to

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not say what you are aren't looking forward

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to.

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I'm not going to do that. Okay,

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what else do you have? You got

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nothing? No, I have a thing

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or two. Let's hear it.

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Okay, Well, it's all just

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like my rambling. But my brother

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was on a jury where someone died. It

4:17

was like a race car guys

4:20

on the street and they crashed into a car and killed someone.

4:22

And as he was telling me, my seven year old nephew

4:25

was like yeah and like giving me details. So I

4:27

was like, okay, he knows about it. How cuye would it be if I

4:29

had? I recorded him talking about it in hometown

4:31

and so I was like, Micah, tell me what happened, and he was

4:33

just like, well, someone died. I was

4:35

so depressing that I was like, well, I'm okay,

4:38

yeah, not flaying that.

4:40

Yeah, that's sad. Yeah, yeah,

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I don't think seven. So I'm last

4:44

night at a show I did. Someone's like, oh,

4:47

my nine and ten year old nieces loved your

4:49

show, and I was like, that's brown chilling.

4:51

I don't think that's good at all. Nine

4:53

and ten year olds turn this off.

4:55

Yeah. He was a couple of listeners, some awesome

4:57

orderinos that were also backstage. One

4:59

of the I'm sorry I can't remember your name. He goes,

5:02

that's around the time I started getting interested in true crime.

5:04

And then I was like, oh, okay, okay, then I

5:06

don't feel as bad.

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That's true. I guess right.

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Yeah, I think for me it was sixth grade, so

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kids are very advanced.

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And it's like the even though it's not true crime, it's

5:16

like the revving up of it. The things are suddenly really interested

5:18

in, like scary movies and bad things.

5:20

And actually, speaking

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of children, this girl named Sarah Underscore

5:25

Hall tweeted at as a photo

5:27

of her nine year old sister and she said

5:29

she just named her own bat she I guess

5:32

was in baseball. She snamed her own bat

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ted bunty all.

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On her own.

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Yeah.

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I was like, well that's fucking incredible. Yeah, that's hilarious.

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Yeah.

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I mean Georgia so loves au pun.

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I love upon and I love a nine year old you

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know, I love baseball. I mean it's everything,

5:46

you love, love everything. If only that little girl had

5:48

a vintage dress.

5:48

On all she did that lose my mind.

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Later, well, I got a

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tweet that I found very interesting,

5:55

and it's like this is the kind of you know,

5:57

conversations that we like to have. It

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was the Coastal Horizons

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rape Crisis Center in Wilmington, North

6:05

Carolina, said to tweet, So

6:07

they basically said, hey, ladies, big fans of your podcast.

6:10

However, we were disappointed to hear the

6:12

unintentional victim blaming. It took

6:14

place on the A

6:16

twenty twenty episode re Covering

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Your Drinks. The onus is never on the victim

6:21

to stop an assault. We need to have a culture

6:24

shift where instead of telling victims

6:26

what to do or not to do, tell

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purps, hey, don't rape people.

6:31

Also, drug is the number alcohol

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is the number one drug used to facilitate sexual

6:36

assault, not rufes in

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parentheses, not saying it doesn't happen, but misinformation

6:41

can unintentionally compound victims

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trauma. We are a rape crisis center in Wilmington,

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North Carolina, and

6:49

we frequently hear victims blaming themselves

6:51

because they quote, did everything

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right, my friend watched my drink, et cetera,

6:56

and they are still assaulted. So

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just wanted to let you all know, love your

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work, which I think

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is such a good point. Totally, we

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obviously and we don't. It's not like we need to make

7:07

excuses. But when we were having that conversation,

7:10

we were coming from that that

7:12

point of view, which is very for me, it's

7:14

very eighties of like you have to you

7:16

have to like you

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have to.

7:21

Be on the lookout at all times.

7:22

Kind of yeah, be on the defense and kind

7:24

of like be aggressively you

7:26

know, aware and all that kind of stuff.

7:28

But it's such a good point that it

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doesn't matter.

7:31

You can be the most aware, you can

7:33

be the most you know responsible all

7:35

these things, and then something can happen to you. Yeah,

7:38

And we never want people to feel like in

7:40

any way obviously that that would be our messaging.

7:42

So that they're to blame because that that hurt

7:44

me so much and maybe sad of like they come in there

7:47

and.

7:47

Feel to blame.

7:48

Maybe they didn't cover their drink like we're telling

7:51

them to do, or but the fact that she said

7:53

it's usually alcohol, not it's

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just alcohol. It's not like they need to roof you

7:58

to take advantage or.

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To Yeah, exactly, it's actually a very

8:01

common thing that people use all the time.

8:04

That doesn't make anybody feel that worried

8:06

in the beginning. And it's the Yeah,

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I think also we were having that conversation because

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it was around the time that that girl, uh

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it was that thing that happened in Santa Monica where these women

8:16

saw a guide right some a drug

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into a girl's drink and they basically went

8:20

and got her in the bathroom, and we just saw this thing.

8:22

So we were kind of going off of that in

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a way.

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But you know, thank you for the correction, because that's

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a really good point, and that really is you

8:30

know, please raise your sons not to rate. That

8:32

would be great.

8:33

Yeah, that would be awesome.

8:37

Did you see the trailer for the movie my friend

8:39

Dom? Yes?

8:40

Holy shit, Oh my god,

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we're not being

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paid.

8:45

We should be.

8:46

I want to see it today.

8:48

I know.

8:49

It looks so great. It looks so good.

8:51

I love that there's not it doesn't say that there's anything about

8:53

him being an older person and actually

8:56

committing is there.

8:57

That's not what the book's about. I didn't,

8:59

I only you.

9:00

I don't think it is, because I feel like I did

9:02

read that comic book,

9:04

the graphic novel, right, but I

9:07

can't remember the end.

9:08

I mean, it's just the story of him.

9:09

But I think it's him in high school and basically

9:12

when it all started.

9:13

I think it's going on the idea that you already

9:15

know who Dahmer is and what he's done, and

9:17

then so while you're watching the movie, you're like,

9:19

oh, this is a.

9:20

Thing that made it happen. This is a thing that started

9:22

it and.

9:22

Kind of teenage dahmer.

9:23

Yeah, it looks and it looks

9:26

so creepy and so eerie,

9:29

and.

9:30

It's really ominous.

9:31

They they're the very One of the first shots

9:33

in that trailer is kind

9:35

of a wide of the front of a school and

9:38

it's just kids in kind of like late seventies

9:40

clothing walking around, and then you just notice

9:42

there's a guy just standing there staring,

9:44

and it's really fucking creepy.

9:46

It almost looks like if Napoleon

9:48

Dynamite was like a scary movie.

9:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

9:52

exactly fucking right. You

9:55

change the soundtrack to him Dynamite,

9:57

which I love when people I love those those.

10:00

I love like The Missus Doubt Fire as a

10:02

horror movie, have you seen that one?

10:04

Yoh?

10:04

Yeah, fucking love?

10:05

Or The Shining as a rom com, like

10:07

a family sitcom totally, or like a coming together.

10:10

What's that song?

10:13

Oh?

10:14

Well, is it Shakira?

10:16

Where were you singing Shakira? Probably

10:19

hips don't lie?

10:20

Yes?

10:20

Why am?

10:21

I think it's the Soulisbury the Peter Gabriel

10:23

song Soulisbury Hill, Yes, something.

10:25

Like that seals Hills very hill, Okay,

10:28

because I thought saying Salisbury was clearly going to

10:30

be wrong, so I didn't say it.

10:31

You were scared, you briscuit.

10:32

Yeah, I see steak, gotcha Salsbury

10:35

Steak and all that. You know that.

10:37

Beautiful Peter Peter Gabriel song

10:39

going up on Salisbury's Day.

10:43

I love that song.

10:44

It's so like there's those weird and

10:46

I don't know what instrument it is, but it's.

10:47

Like poo poo poo, poo poo poo,

10:51

Like he's blowing into a windpipe.

10:53

Is that a thing? Or like what was the one who had to play it

10:55

as a kid? A recorder? I love

10:57

Peter Gabriel.

10:58

There might be a recorder solo at the beginning of Salisbury

11:00

Hill. Salisar seak, Salisbury's steak. That

11:03

is misinformation. That a diary

11:05

of misinformation. Wait what were we talking?

11:08

Uh?

11:09

Jeffrey's over.

11:13

If you have if you're an editor, if you

11:15

have the time, yes, if you care, could

11:18

you please make Napoleon dyna White

11:20

into it.

11:21

I bet you know a scary movie with the

11:23

soundtrack.

11:24

I bet you could take the op the like trailer

11:26

from Napoleon Dynamite.

11:27

Just put all of this the exact

11:30

same.

11:32

Like voiceover and words from

11:34

the trailer for Dahmer just put

11:37

him in there.

11:37

So yeah, So it's like Napoleon Dynamite's mouth is

11:39

moving in that weird like his braces are still

11:42

on but they're not.

11:43

Mash it up.

11:44

His friend, his friend is

11:46

his friend, Pedro. Pedro is the

11:49

friend who wrote the book. Like it's just perfect, it's

11:51

perfect. Did you plan this? Yes,

11:54

it's all written down it

11:56

see those notes. Oh man, nothing I

11:58

say is ever planned. Obviously, I

12:02

never plan anything.

12:03

We absolutely assure you that, uh almost

12:07

nothing is pre written on the show, even

12:09

the things that are.

12:09

Supposed to be. Yeah, like our stories. I

12:12

think that's all I had. Did you have anything?

12:14

I'm sure I can. I have other things that I just

12:16

can't think of, and uh oh, I

12:18

keep writing things that I don't like.

12:20

I'll be like, oh, I should make a note for pre show,

12:23

and then I don't know what it means.

12:24

So I have Yan can Cook written down Yan

12:28

can't Cook.

12:28

I feel like is from when we were talking.

12:31

I was watching it the other night and then I was like, I gotta

12:34

talk to Careen about this. I don't

12:36

remember why I would talk to you about on a murder

12:38

podcast about Yan can cook.

12:41

Because that guy fucking murders chicken.

12:43

The guys the best.

12:44

Then I wrote embarrassing illness. I

12:46

don't know what that means. That's probably Crohn's disease.

12:49

Yeah, and then I wrote start

12:51

us equals anxiety?

12:53

Do you mean angel dust?

12:55

I don't know, And I was like, I think

12:57

I felt I wrote something wrong.

12:59

And I was like, I'll remember. Were

13:01

you on drugs or drink? Yes? Yes,

13:06

yes, yes, yes always.

13:08

Well how do we figure any of those things

13:10

out? You just take some time with it.

13:11

No, I don't think we need to. I think as long as I say them,

13:14

okay, then everyone knows.

13:16

Then if we're standing somewhere and a Yang

13:18

can't cook, whatever comes by, right, both.

13:20

Going to be like this is what it is?

13:22

Yeah, And stardust equals anxiety,

13:24

it's probably something really interesting.

13:26

Well there's a movie called Stardust is

13:29

there?

13:29

Yeah?

13:30

I don't know.

13:31

But why Starter's Memories as a Woody Allen

13:33

movie? He would give you adjitave.

13:35

If you were Yeah, No, it's not

13:37

that I haven't watched that.

13:39

Okay, anxiety is

13:41

it that we're all made of stardust and that makes

13:43

you worried?

13:44

I think it's that. Yeah, I

13:46

think it's that.

13:47

I think it's that get I get

13:49

anxious when I think of the entirety

13:52

of the universe.

13:52

But I don't know how that has to do anything with murder.

13:55

Well, we talked about that one time.

13:56

We did, yes, because I said,

13:58

oh, it was when I said, did

14:01

you see that picture from the Hubble telescope that

14:03

showed universes and balls of gas?

14:05

And then you were like, please don't do this.

14:08

So I must have wanted to elaborate

14:11

on that, and I was, and I was on drink.

14:14

Do you think there's a movie or something

14:16

called Stardust that you saw as a child and that

14:18

you discovered why it gives you so much anxiety?

14:21

I don't know.

14:22

I feel like trying just

14:25

generally trying to figure out worries is a

14:27

fascinating podcast.

14:28

Yeah, like, what are you worried?

14:30

Isn't there a podcast? I'm being sarcastic.

14:34

I got excited?

14:37

Is't you go? Isn't there already a podcast

14:40

like that?

14:40

I think there is, though I

14:43

think I'm worried about the universe. I can't remember

14:45

how though, Yeah, I just am.

14:47

I don't need to explain why the

14:49

people get everyone gets it.

14:51

Sure, I hope.

14:52

Well, you need to explain why if you bring it up. Yeah,

14:55

that's really your only the only

14:57

thing. Yeah, and I did start us gives

14:59

me anxiety. That's not an explanation

15:02

in the enormity of the universe. Gives me anxiety.

15:05

Oh okay, all right, okay, okay,

15:10

should I do this?

15:12

Yeah?

15:13

I mean I want to ask Stephen who's going. But he's

15:15

not trustworthy.

15:16

Even just told me that he keeps

15:18

getting it wrong, which sucks because you're big at

15:20

You're like, I'm like, well Stephen

15:22

knows.

15:23

Oh no, he doesn't.

15:24

I'm no longer

15:26

a rock.

15:27

You were attacked. You were attacked by that Twitter account

15:30

who was like, Steven, get it together. You've been

15:32

wrong three times. Shut

15:34

up.

15:35

You know what it is.

15:36

You know what I realized what it is my brain was doing

15:38

to me was it's like Karen

15:40

Georgia Karen, like, I'm doing that in

15:43

my brain. So that's why I kept

15:45

saying you would go first, because in my mind, Georgia

15:47

went last time.

15:48

But she went last last, so you're not going.

15:50

You're going Karen Georgia, Karen, Yes,

15:53

I said, Karen Georgia Georgia, Karen

15:55

Karen Karen, Yeah.

15:57

I'm just my brain completely just

16:00

fell apart at that moment.

16:01

So what can we do to fix this going forward?

16:04

We have two things that people have made

16:06

us of, how to tell Twitter accounts

16:08

no remember the things they gave us at you.

16:10

It was like a large abacus

16:13

to Steven get a drive around with that in his car.

16:15

Here, I mean, you're

16:18

out fip a coin or

16:21

do you think you have it this week story?

16:23

Yes? I thought so too. I really knew

16:25

that Stephen. I would I chuck it up. I want to put him.

16:27

I want to break him over the calls.

16:30

Steven, you have five chances? You have

16:32

you three?

16:33

I just love the idea there's a Twitter account

16:35

now attacking you because they're like the

16:40

went first.

16:41

Yeah.

16:41

Well there was like they

16:44

were like seven, like five

16:46

days since accident or something.

16:49

I love it.

16:50

They were like keeping track of that was like this many

16:53

days since?

16:54

Oh should I give Elvis isn't dead? Everyone?

16:57

Yes? You should definitely? Okay, give that up.

16:58

So last week I talked about how Elvis was at

17:00

the vet and how scary it was. Turns out the

17:03

kitten we got, Dottie, gave everyone fucking

17:05

crazy infection uprest in

17:07

her infection. I thought, I really truly thought Elvis

17:09

was going to die. And I had my cry and I

17:12

you know, apologized to him and

17:14

held him like truly, and he's

17:16

better now, he's on the end.

17:18

He's not going to die. But he lost

17:20

his voice.

17:22

It's so cute you have before you leave,

17:24

you have to see him open his mouth to meow

17:26

and nothing. Yeah, so maybe Dottie

17:28

will have to do the sign off.

17:29

Did you see the fan art

17:32

that people made of Elvis

17:33

in front of a black background

17:36

and it just says I survived on the side

17:38

and then a quotes and it's the first

17:40

time I saw it. In quotes, it says, yeah, so this

17:42

kitten tried to kill me dot dot dot.

17:44

Or something like that. The first time I saw it, I almost

17:47

had a heart attack. It was like, she sees it, She's going to fucking

17:49

shit.

17:49

A brick, because it was he was still not out

17:51

of red Woods yet, right, And it

17:54

was hilariously awful where I was like,

17:56

I think, I'm gonna have to ask these people to.

17:58

Take it down.

18:00

I didn't see, Oh my god, if he died

18:03

ever, yeah, So thank you ever

18:06

to everyone.

18:07

Everyone was so sweet.

18:08

And yes, you know, and said

18:10

nice things and reassured

18:12

me and yeah he that was

18:14

like he's not going to die.

18:15

Calm down. So thanks

18:17

village a bet.

18:18

Good update.

18:19

Yeah all as well. Positive update.

18:21

Hey.

18:23

Uh okay, so I go first, I just

18:25

forgot all right, this

18:28

is the story

18:31

of the collar bomb heist.

18:34

Okay, awesome. You don't know what I don't

18:37

even really know what you just said.

18:38

Okay, it's the story of the collar

18:41

So a collar bomb meaning like a collar

18:43

around her neck, collar bomb?

18:45

Is this a woman and her daughter?

18:46

No? Okay, heist?

18:48

And I just want to up top say that there is an

18:50

article called in Wired

18:53

by a Rich Shapiro that has

18:56

a really good.

18:57

Overview everything happened.

18:58

So I used a lot of his information and I just wanted

19:00

to give him props for that, and it

19:02

happened. He wrote it in twenty ten, so

19:04

there's a little bit in updates since then. But

19:07

so we're in Erie, Pennsylvania. I

19:10

looked up on my favorite murder email

19:12

to see if anyone had talked about it, and it's from their

19:14

town, and a girl named Jessica A

19:16

said the winters are terrible and the summers are filled

19:18

with water sports on the lake, and lots and

19:20

lots of drinking. In fact, you

19:23

will find either a church or a bar at

19:25

every corner. Well, which I think describes as

19:27

town really well all right. August

19:30

twenty eight, two thousand and three, at

19:32

two twenty eight pm, a forty six

19:35

year old local man named Brian Wells

19:37

walks into a PNC bank

19:40

in Erie and passes the teller

19:42

a note. The note says, gather

19:44

employees with your access with access

19:46

codes to the vault, and work fast

19:49

to fill this bag with twenty five thousand

19:51

dollars. You only have fifteen minutes.

19:53

Then he lifts his shirt to show the teller

19:56

a handcuff like collar attached

19:59

to his neck, and according.

20:01

To the note, it's a bomb.

20:02

Oh fuck.

20:04

And the bomb's like a DIY homemade device.

20:06

It's got a metal collar

20:08

attached around Wells's neck like

20:11

a handcuff, and they're two. There were keyholes

20:13

and a combination lock, as well as baking

20:15

timers and two six inch

20:17

pipe bombs.

20:18

Oh baking

20:20

timer, yeah, you mean like the white

20:22

ones that you turn that your mom's like, you have

20:24

five minutes sitting at chair.

20:26

I love that it's never used for banking. It's for fucking

20:28

punished baking. It's for punishing your children, yes.

20:30

Exactly, or just being like, oh I

20:32

have to do something in ten Yeah.

20:34

No, good timer.

20:35

Nobody bakes that is okay. How

20:37

disturbing as you're you're that teller.

20:39

You stayed up really late the night before

20:42

drinking wine with your friends. You roll in,

20:44

You're like, I'm going to power through this day. Yeah,

20:46

and they'll be fine. Yeah, because I'm going

20:48

to go out drinking with my friends again.

20:50

Yeah.

20:50

And a guy walks up

20:53

I imagine sweating profusely. Yeah.

20:55

And like if a guy walks up to you and you're a tailer and

20:57

passes you a note, you're like, fuck,

20:59

it's not gonna sail, Like, hey, how are you?

21:01

I lost my voice? I'm Elvis.

21:02

I'm here too with throw

21:05

some cookies and no,

21:07

no, no, it's all bad. Always bad with a note,

21:10

always bad.

21:11

With a guy that has to pull up a shirt to prove a point,

21:13

and he's like, clearly there's something bulging

21:16

in his shirt collar and he

21:18

has he has a shirt on.

21:20

His neck is really thick.

21:22

Yeah, it looks I bet it would look like he has

21:24

like a trake. Trachy tut

21:26

me trikey out of me kind of it kind of looked

21:28

like that, and he has like two

21:30

shirts on in the shirt over it and it says the

21:32

shirt says, guess.

21:34

It's like a guest brand shirt.

21:35

No, it's just like fits the Are you being sarcastic?

21:37

I fucking swear to god, I fucking swear.

21:40

Stop hypothesizing.

21:41

It's like you tell no, please, that's the

21:43

show, just the visual

21:45

of like that, but like the jerry

21:48

rigged baking timer,

21:50

and then but there was also a couple of magnetic

21:52

letters from his refrigerator.

21:54

And I mean, you know what I mean, and a pipe cleaner

21:57

and some old gum stack to the

22:00

yes is they don't know who the victim is. I don't know who's

22:02

guilty, and I'm saying things like that.

22:03

Well it's okay because here we go.

22:05

Okay, So the teller

22:07

is only able to give Brian eight seven

22:10

hundred dollars because there isn't a way to get

22:12

into the vault at that time, like there wasn't enough people

22:14

there. So the baking timer goes off, and

22:17

then you suddenly smell cookies and

22:20

like second in.

22:22

Line, Hey, excuse me, those are mine pulls

22:25

a cookie out of his neck handcuff, yeah,

22:27

and says thanks for doing business.

22:29

But what he does do and I'm not fucking kidding,

22:31

he takes the money and leaves, and he grabs a dumb

22:33

dumb lollipop on his way out, Oh, puts

22:35

it in his mouth.

22:36

Okay, So he's not as stressed as maybe

22:39

that's what you would think, okay, Or he's

22:41

really stressed and he needs something to occupy

22:44

him.

22:44

I relate doubtful though.

22:46

Well, I just feel like if you

22:48

think you're about to blow up, yeah,

22:51

and look, I love candy. I

22:53

don't think it would be You're not like I'm gonna blow

22:55

I'm gonna go oh dum dums. Oh my god. You

22:59

know when you get these for haul, when you get like ten of them

23:01

at a time.

23:01

You stuff them all in your mouth at once, because then it's like a

23:03

real lollipop.

23:05

I would eat, just eat it fast, and then use the stick

23:07

as a cigarette. Yeah, just stand

23:09

around fake smoking.

23:10

How good I look smoking? Guys?

23:14

All right?

23:15

Maybe that I needed a cigarette and you knew that was the closest.

23:17

That's what it is.

23:18

And he was like, I probably can't smoke around a bomb. Those

23:20

things probably don't go.

23:21

Hand in hand.

23:22

There might be gasoline in this, definitely. I

23:24

don't know how bombs are made. You

23:26

pour gasoline on them, I don't know. About

23:28

fifteen minutes after he walks out, State

23:31

troopers spot Brian Wells that's

23:33

his name, standing outside of his Guess

23:35

what kind of car he has?

23:37

You get this right up in a barf.

23:39

Is it a Laman's No, it's that. I

23:41

don't know. It's like some kind of pseudo fancy

23:44

car.

23:44

No, it's a Geo Metro.

23:46

Oh those second

23:49

only to the Ugo. Yeah, bad

23:51

cars. It's for you young kids.

23:53

It's just it's just like the first

23:56

Hatchback, and those aren't cool.

23:57

It's like a Fiat that gave up on.

23:59

Itself, an eighties Hatchback.

24:03

But this is two thousand and three.

24:04

I don't know, soait he had a Geometro

24:06

in two thousand and three. Yeah, maybe he was an

24:08

antique shitty car collector.

24:10

Do you know what he actually was? What a pizza

24:12

delivery man? Oh? Yeah, okay,

24:15

so you can see a pizza delivery man having that car.

24:17

Yeah, but the tires have absolutely

24:20

no tread on them once. Yeah, they're like

24:22

all what's the ones in the back.

24:24

Oh, like the replacement. Yeah, the spar

24:27

Yeah, they're four spars on a geometro.

24:29

I'm sorry, we're making fun of this guy. But

24:32

it'll be okay, and you'll find out why.

24:33

Okay, it's not.

24:34

Well, we'll find out what at the end, it actually

24:36

gets really fucking bad. Yeah, I bet it gets bad, and

24:38

it gets really bad.

24:39

Okay.

24:40

So they apprehend him.

24:42

They cut his hands behind his back, and then Brian

24:44

says to them that while out on a pizza

24:47

delivery, he had been attacked by a group

24:49

of black men. Because that's everyone's

24:51

excuse, who claim who chained

24:53

the bomb around his neck at gunpoint and forced

24:56

him to rob the bank.

24:57

Yep, that's how it's done.

24:58

He says, it's gonna go off.

25:00

I'm not lying. He's

25:04

like desperate at this point, it's gonna go off.

25:07

I'm not fucking lying.

25:09

And then I just say one thing, Yes always I

25:11

my first agent in this business. It was a who

25:14

was a mastermind and a genius. One

25:16

of the first pieces of advice she ever gave me was

25:18

whether whatever people explicitly

25:21

state to you for without you

25:23

asking them is a lie, just

25:25

immediately reverse it in your head of

25:28

like saying like if I went to a meeting

25:30

at a management place and they were like, look,

25:32

we don't just take whoever and like throw it

25:34

all against the wall and see what happens, It's like, Oh,

25:37

you just take whoever and throw it.

25:38

Yeah.

25:38

Is that kind of thing where you just have to kind of why

25:41

would you proclaim this to me if it

25:43

were true?

25:43

And do you ask you yeah exactly, or

25:46

say I'm not lying, yes

25:48

means I'm lying.

25:49

Why would you need to tell people that if you

25:51

have a live bomb on your body

25:53

or that just happened to you.

25:55

I feel like probably sociopaths say I'm

25:57

not lying a lot because they don't expect people to believe.

26:00

They don't expect people to be.

26:02

Smart enough to be like I know

26:04

that that's a line that people say

26:06

to get them like, and they just don't think anyone's

26:08

smart.

26:09

That's true. I would think that they

26:11

would be the kind of people who wouldn't say

26:13

I'm not lying. Is almost just like a try And

26:16

I don't think they try.

26:17

Anybody or they know they're balls

26:19

out.

26:19

Yeah, that they're just like, I'm not nervous,

26:21

therefore you're never gonna.

26:22

Ask me a question in the first place, right, and if

26:24

you ask me, I'm gonna tell yeah, Okay, you're gonna believe

26:26

me, all right, I'm not lying. So the officers

26:29

call the bomb squad and they

26:31

take their positions behind their cars. Their

26:33

guns are drawn, and they leave Brian

26:35

sitting in the middle of the street, cross

26:38

legged, handcuffs behind his back,

26:41

with his bomb around his neck, and he's in

26:43

the middle of the road, just sitting

26:44

there.

26:45

Okay, there's a video all this, and okay,

26:48

i'll tell you a second.

26:49

Okay, For twenty five minutes, while news

26:51

crews crew news people are filming

26:54

there, they he's

26:56

laying in the street. He's sitting cross legged in the street,

26:58

kind of like slumped in the he's

27:02

kind of fidgeting and stuff. So

27:04

they're sitting there for twenty five minutes. Then out of nowhere,

27:06

the device starts to beep, beep

27:09

beep, and you see him. It's all

27:11

on video. You see him kind of look

27:14

down and start to struggle like he's trying to get

27:16

away from the collar, and

27:18

then it fucking goes off. No, yeah, and

27:20

no, there

27:23

is video on this, and they don't warn

27:25

you that they're about to show it. And

27:27

so I saw it, and I got really and

27:29

having to look this up and look at video and news stuff.

27:32

I just kept having to turn

27:34

my.

27:34

Head away because it's so awful and it's talking

27:36

of guys. So you know,

27:38

this guy dies and you see this bomb

27:41

go off and people really watching it live and

27:44

see this happen.

27:46

Fuck, I'm so surprised.

27:48

Yeah, okay, he looked

27:52

surprised too that it was even going off, meaning I don't

27:54

think he thought it was real. And

27:57

it detonates, loud explosion, blowing

27:59

into his face. He falls back onto the ground.

28:02

He does almost instantly. I believe the

28:04

bom had ripped a huge hole in his chest.

28:08

Three minutes later, bomb squad arrives.

28:10

Oh no, I know so they

28:13

when later the police search his

28:15

car and they find handwritten notes that

28:17

were addressed to the bomb hostage,

28:20

and they say that one of them says, there's only one

28:22

way you can survive, and that is to cooperate

28:24

completely. This powerful booby trapped

28:26

bomb can be removed only by

28:28

following our instructions.

28:30

Act now, think later, or you will

28:32

die. Sorry.

28:34

Handwritten notes to this guy.

28:36

Yeah, so it's basically their handwritten notes

28:38

to the got to Brian. I thought that meant

28:41

his handwritten note. Yeah, someone else had written

28:43

these notes to him. They were in his car, so the police

28:45

had caught him. It was almost like a scavenger hunt.

28:47

But he had to rob the bank then

28:49

go to these certain places to get the

28:52

keys, give them the money, that sort of thing,

28:54

right, So, but police had caught him in

28:57

the middle of the scavenger hunt. So

28:59

they tried to finish the scavenger

29:02

hunt themselves and find the notes, but

29:04

someone had removed the remaining.

29:06

Notes after Brian had been killed.

29:08

So they found the places where they were supposed to be, but there

29:10

wasn't anything else there.

29:12

And sorry, was that like the video

29:14

you watched or whatever?

29:15

Was that shown live on the news?

29:16

It had to have been, because people were talking about

29:19

having watched it, Yeah, sitting

29:21

there with their kids probably, And it was at like three

29:24

o'clock something, so there must have been kids

29:26

after school watching that one hundred percent.

29:28

How traumatized are those children?

29:29

It's the worst.

29:30

I watched it and I was I'm

29:32

a little fucked up from it.

29:33

No, you can't, like, yeah, it's that kind of shit.

29:35

You have to be so careful and

29:37

paired for Yeah.

29:40

All right.

29:41

They traced Brian's last pizza delivery

29:43

on the day of his death, which is when he said he got attacked.

29:46

They found that.

29:47

His last order was to be delivered

29:49

on the outskirts of the city at at

29:52

a location to ended up being a TV

29:54

transmission tower. What the address

29:56

was, and they could tell by the scuff marks and the

29:58

dirt that that's where the call had been

30:00

attached. But he was supposed to be off

30:03

right before that call came into ordered the pizzas,

30:05

which was kind of mysterious, all right. Then

30:08

cut to September twentieth, less

30:10

than a month after the bomb killed Brian,

30:13

Fifty nine year old Bill Rothstein,

30:15

who was a handyman and lifelong resident in

30:17

the area, calls nine one one.

30:20

He gave the operator his address

30:22

and told him that there was a frozen body in

30:24

his garage freezer. What yeah,

30:27

He told him that the story history

30:29

was at. In mid August, his ex girlfriend,

30:31

Marjorie diial Armstrong had called

30:34

him and told him she had shot her living boyfriend,

30:37

James Roden, in the back with a Remington

30:39

twelve gage shotgun in a dispute

30:41

over money, and then she asked

30:44

him to help her clean up and move the body, which

30:46

he agreed to, and so the body

30:48

had been in his freezer for

30:50

five weeks. He also melted

30:52

down the gun and scattered the pieces around

30:54

the county. Wow, yeah, thorough, thorough.

30:57

How do you melt down a gun? I don't even fucking

30:59

know? Oh, power tools? I think he was.

31:01

He was a handymailer. Yeah, he's a

31:03

handyman, so he probably knows a lot about He.

31:06

Had some fucking welding thing exactly.

31:09

Probably put some like I don't know, you know there's some powder

31:12

you can probably put on something to make it

31:14

flammable.

31:14

Oh, I think I've seen things where if you put diet

31:17

coke on a piece of meat.

31:19

Oh, why do we stop

31:21

it? I got so excited. Isn't that a thing?

31:23

It is?

31:24

But I'm sure it doesn't melt guns. I'm

31:27

almost positive.

31:28

Let's try it.

31:29

Let's see, Steven, did they even

31:31

get your guy out? Just shoots both

31:33

of us not be hilarious. They

31:35

told me I have it on tape.

31:37

It's such a weird ending to that podcast because

31:39

everyone liked Steven, but he

31:41

really didn't like those girls.

31:43

But is it just fictional? The whole podcast?

31:45

Now we have to go back and listen again, and

31:47

we have to write down all the times we yelled at Stephen.

31:50

Slowly building age and Steve,

31:52

and.

31:53

You can hear him breathing in the background, harder and

31:55

harder every week.

31:56

Meanwhile, he has both hands over his face, laughing

31:59

like a little bright red little

32:01

Japanese girl, just giggling,

32:04

giggling.

32:06

Stephen.

32:07

Um okay,

32:09

So he tells them he just couldn't go with

32:11

the final plan, which was to grind the body

32:13

up, so he called nine one one. He was afraid of what

32:17

she might do to him, So he

32:19

says he was so distraught that he had even considered

32:21

killing himself rather than turning himself in.

32:23

And he had.

32:23

Written a suicide note in which

32:25

he said who the body was in the freezer? When he didn't

32:28

kill him, it says nor participate in the death.

32:30

And then the note ended with

32:33

this has nothing to do with the Wells case.

32:35

Oh no, no reason, says

32:38

that in the note, because he lived behind

32:41

the TV transmission spot.

32:43

Uh oh yeah, okay, Now look

32:46

at my theory. Oh it's been completely reversed

32:48

right in my face, which is what now? This

32:51

it's the the first guy going

32:54

the victim saying I'm not lying in

32:56

my theories, that's because he's lying. Well,

32:59

then this guy saying this has nothing

33:01

to do with it.

33:01

Out of nowhere, like he hadn't

33:03

even been questioned about it.

33:06

Yeah, don't bring it up, No, but me t

33:08

w no.

33:10

So obviously, what my research

33:12

reveals is that there's no hard and fast rule

33:14

right statements or is

33:16

there?

33:17

Or we are not done yet? Oh

33:20

Chris and turns, I'll over at that place.

33:24

They made a move the movie Thirty Minutes or

33:26

Less. Yes, that came out like

33:28

twenty eleven. My friend Ruben Fleisher

33:30

directed that.

33:31

Oh nice.

33:32

Well they think it's like loosely based on

33:34

this, so they'll be twists and turns.

33:36

Oh wow, don't worry. I haven't seen it, so I don't

33:38

really know.

33:38

But all right, So here's

33:40

a little bit about Marjorie the woman who killed

33:42

her boyfriend. So

33:45

she's fucking in nineteen eighty four, she's thirty five.

33:48

She's charged with murdering her then boyfriend,

33:50

Robert Thomas. Rob Thomas isn't he from

33:52

Matchbox twenty?

33:53

Yeah, I just hitting.

33:54

She claims she shot him six times

33:56

in self defense. Says, you know how you shoot someone

33:59

six times? And so defense yes, well, just

34:01

to really finish it off, just to kill the out

34:03

of it.

34:03

It's very OCDC.

34:04

You want to finish all the bullets right in the gun.

34:07

Right. Sorry. This is the same woman who had

34:09

the body in the freezer.

34:10

Yeah, this is the body of the freezer woman. This is a different

34:12

relationship. Yes, okay. Years before

34:14

okay, a jury acquits

34:16

her and then four years later

34:19

her husband and Richard Armstrong, dies

34:21

up to cerebral cerebral

34:23

hemorrhage.

34:25

Those two words together, can't cerebral hemorrhage.

34:28

Yeah, but he when

34:30

he got to the hospital he had had a head

34:32

injury. But the death is still ruled

34:34

accidental and never followed up with by the corner,

34:37

which head injuries and cerebral hemorrhaging

34:39

don't go. That's not a thing they

34:42

do.

34:42

They don't go together.

34:43

No, yeah, yeah. Cerebral hemorrhaging means

34:45

your brain is bleeding, which means someone hit you

34:47

really fucking hard on the head or something.

34:50

Doesn't. Hemorrhaging just happen though, too, like

34:52

the way when people have a stroke

34:54

or something like that. Oh I do

34:57

I feel Look, look, look

34:59

and listen. Are going to claim

35:01

we're right.

35:02

My assumption as

35:05

a doctor is no.

35:07

I just think hemorrhaging. Hemorrhaging

35:10

can happen in any kind.

35:11

Of a way.

35:12

It's not specific to just like an annuals

35:15

and aneurysm is when you're like a

35:17

vessel in your brain explodes and

35:19

then usually you die.

35:21

Okay, So yeah, hemorrhaging. That sounds right.

35:22

Okay, we please, doctors,

35:25

please tell us how to do this

35:27

podcast.

35:27

The best way to let us know about something is to screaming

35:29

us on Twitter. I just want everyone to know.

35:32

That's the only time we listen. That's right, it's

35:34

screaming on with our hearts. Ummm,

35:37

we're doctors. Let's see. Uh.

35:40

Death is ruled accidental.

35:42

So Marjorie is like extremely

35:45

smart, but she suffers from bipolar

35:47

disorder and she's found to be paranoid

35:50

and narcissistic. In nineteen eighty four,

35:52

they found four hundred pounds of butter

35:54

and more than seven hundred pounds of cheese rotting

35:57

inside her house.

35:58

Sorry, this is from the Wired article.

36:00

What can I repeat this? Four

36:02

hundred So I think she was a hoarder. So four hundred pounds

36:05

of butter? How much is that?

36:06

So much?

36:07

Well, a pound of butter is the four cubes. Okay,

36:09

that's a pound of butter. So she had four hundred

36:12

of those and seven hundred pounds

36:14

of cheese. I

36:16

mean that's just a dream come true. I mean a kind

36:18

of cheese. If we're talking about fucking craft singles

36:20

on Velvita.

36:21

If she hadn't stored somewhere, it's Velveta because

36:23

you can you can leave that like in a warm room for

36:25

two years and nothing will happen.

36:27

It's plastic. Could I tell you a Vince made me for dinner

36:29

last night because I was like, oh, I've brought to tell

36:31

you this too.

36:32

Damn it.

36:33

Can I get on a gross food tangent reliase?

36:35

Okay, So last night Vince Vince

36:38

brought home. He did the thing of I've been craving

36:40

this thing from childhood, and I was like playing along,

36:42

like I'll.

36:43

Try it with you, baby.

36:44

So he made me a baloney and American

36:47

cheese sandwich on white bread.

36:49

Yeah it's mustard. I used to have them every single day.

36:51

It was great. We never had like we never

36:53

got to have any of that good stuff.

36:55

Yeah, so I had so. Yeah, sometimes

36:57

he'll fry up the balanie. Wow,

37:00

But what happened, and this is just I'm

37:02

explaining who vinces. On like Saturday,

37:04

I picked him up after a thing and we were both hungry,

37:06

and I was like, where should we go? And I

37:08

always am like, no, I don't want to go there, and like we

37:11

go where I want to go? But he was like he

37:14

was like this place, this place or this place, and I

37:16

was like, okay, baby, you pick which. I was being

37:18

nice, like I'm just trying to not be a fucking asshole anymore.

37:20

That good, yea, and that effort.

37:23

Yeah. So we went to the

37:25

Olive Garden for brunch

37:28

on Saturday. How

37:30

do you feel about that?

37:33

All I see is like a bunch of Italian

37:36

spices mixed into shit that I don't

37:38

want there.

37:38

That's the first thing I think of. You are one hundred

37:40

percent correct.

37:41

He ordered. They had a thing called an Italian

37:44

margarita. He ordered

37:46

it. The guy at the bar was just like such

37:48

a sassy, funny person, and he put

37:50

it in front of the He put a margarita

37:52

in front of him and then he put down a little

37:54

like shot glass of amaretto and he goes, that's

37:56

what makes it Italians.

38:00

Like, oh, I love you. It was

38:02

so great. But they have a nice little soup

38:04

and salad deal.

38:05

Anyways, at the almost Broadsticks,

38:07

right, yeah, come.

38:07

On, the salad's actually good.

38:09

On the way out, a girl stops me and she goes,

38:12

don't I know you? And I did the oh

38:14

searching for my brain and she goes, just kidding. I'm a huge

38:16

fan. So

38:18

she was a a waitress there, and she was

38:20

just like, really cool, Great,

38:23

that's it.

38:24

Okay.

38:24

I got recognized at the Olive Garden because

38:27

hell yeah, the Olive Garden.

38:28

Hell yea, because when you're there, you're family. I was

38:30

family. Nice, So

38:32

thanks. Wait, don't I recognize you're

38:34

my aunt? Yeah? Oh hi,

38:37

oh my good, Hi, nice to see you. Okay Carol?

38:39

Oh all right, seven hundred

38:41

pounds of cheese rotting inside her house?

38:44

Okay, oh sorry,

38:46

yes, because you can't even get that from a store.

38:49

That's all.

38:49

You can go to an Indivan's or whatever your local

38:51

chain is called and be like, that's

38:54

all the butter that they have for.

38:55

The month, essentially, and

38:58

they, yeah, do what she doing?

38:59

Do you know how she got it?

39:01

No?

39:01

Okay, nothing about it. It's rotting,

39:03

Okay, can you imagine the smell?

39:05

It just butter even rot it does

39:07

like it turns, but it takes a long time.

39:09

Like you can leave it out on the counter and it won't go bad for

39:12

a while. I mean we never we always

39:15

refrigerate our butter, which I hate cold

39:17

butter.

39:18

You can put it on a plate as long as it's covered on

39:20

the counter. We're talking about I don't.

39:22

Fucking know someone. Someone is dead,

39:25

someone is oh dead, People are

39:27

okay, all right?

39:28

So I wrote so in capital because

39:30

I think I knew we were going to go on this tangent, so

39:34

back to it, okay. In fact, when

39:36

preparing to be tried and the shooting death

39:38

of her, first X psychiatrist

39:40

deemed her mentally incompetent seven

39:42

times before they finally ruled she was allowed

39:45

to be on betried, which I feel like seven times

39:47

means you are not ever going to be mentally

39:50

And that's such a hard thing to do because everyone's

39:52

like.

39:52

I'm mentally ill. That's why I killed trying

39:55

to get out of it. Yeah, and they're like bullshit.

39:58

Sorry, they kept on saying she was mentally

40:00

incombinent and couldn't stand trial, and then they finally

40:02

were like, wait, no, on the eighth.

40:04

Time, she is, She's bet don't know. Oh

40:06

no, but yeah, that's ridiculous, got it, so?

40:09

I wrote?

40:10

So.

40:10

On September twenty one of two thousand

40:12

and three, Marjorie deil Armstrong

40:14

is arrested for the murder of her most

40:16

recent ex, the freezer guy, James Roden.

40:19

She pleads guilty but mentally ill, but

40:21

she's still sentenced to seven to twenty years in

40:23

state prison for the murder

40:25

three months after. She goes to prison in April

40:28

of two thousand and five. So I

40:30

might have the dates wrong. Federal agents

40:33

investigating the collar bomb mystery, they're

40:35

still like, what the fuck happened? The

40:37

handwriting analysis of the fucking notes are

40:39

baffled. They just don't understand why this scavenger

40:43

hunt was part of it. It doesn't make any sense

40:45

to them. They're called. They

40:49

are called from the state police officer

40:51

who has just met with Marjorie in prison.

40:54

She tells them that the murder

40:56

of her most recent ex boyfriend actually had

40:58

nothing to do with money, but instead

41:00

was part of the collar bomb plot. So

41:02

they didn't even know she was involved at this

41:04

point.

41:05

She just came forward with them. Yeah, okay,

41:07

she says. She tells me.

41:09

She was like, can I just exchange that piece

41:11

of information for a stick of butter? I just want

41:13

to put it under my pillow.

41:14

They only have Margarine here. It's driving

41:16

me cousting.

41:17

I need some rotten butter.

41:19

Well, what she actually wants besides just

41:21

butter, is a transfer from the state pen

41:23

where she's into a minimum security spot

41:27

much closer to Eerie. And if they do that,

41:29

she'll tell them everything she knows. So she

41:31

begins by telling them that she was not of course,

41:33

I'm not involved in any way in the plot, but

41:36

she admits that she knew about it, and that she supplied

41:38

the kitchen timers, so

41:42

she's the baker or the

41:44

punisher of children.

41:46

When they were trying to fingerprint that kitchen

41:49

timer, they were just like, there's no fingerprints,

41:51

but it is coated in butter. Yes, like so

41:53

much butter all over it.

41:55

We need to find the butter culprit,

41:58

the butter bomber bomber, it's

42:01

even better butter. But she tells

42:03

them that the actual mastermind behold and the whole

42:05

plot was Bill Rothstein, the dude who lived

42:08

behind the TV tower who.

42:09

Turned her in for murder.

42:10

But Bill Rostein had died

42:12

of lymphoma about a year earlier, in July

42:14

two thousand and four, so they can't fucking question

42:17

him. She also tells the FEDS

42:19

that Brian Williams wasn't just the victim,

42:21

but had been in on the planning from the beginning.

42:24

The guy that actually blew up in the bomb.

42:26

Yeah, okay, twist

42:28

AND's turns so yeah, keep

42:31

So he did what he said.

42:32

I'm not lying. He was lying.

42:35

You were right. Oh, thank god, I was like, hold

42:37

up that theory

42:39

was right twice?

42:40

Yes?

42:41

Nice? Okay, Okay.

42:43

So, according to Marjorie, Brian Wells, the

42:46

victim had agreed to rob the bank wearing

42:48

what he thought was a fake collar bomb. The

42:50

scavenger hunt, he was told, was simply a ruse

42:53

to fool the cops. If he got caught, he could say

42:55

like, well, look at these instructions.

42:57

Is evidence that he was only following orders.

43:00

But at some point, Brian Wells, and

43:02

you don't hear this phrase very often is double

43:05

cross. Yes, the fake bomb

43:07

is switched out to be a real one, which he didn't

43:09

know until it was strapped to his neck. They held

43:11

him down at gunpoint because when he got to the

43:13

TV station with the pizzas.

43:15

He realized it was real and

43:17

tried to run and they grabbed him and held him down a gunpoint.

43:19

Okay, wait, so did he not know is

43:22

it Marjorie?

43:23

Yeah, Marjorie and the guy

43:25

that died of crossing, he didn't

43:28

know them.

43:28

Before he knew them, he thought they had

43:30

all planned this thing and agreeing that it

43:32

was going to be a fake bomb.

43:35

So he drove there as if it's like, I'm delivering

43:37

pizzas to this place.

43:38

Right. The whole thing is him being tricked. He

43:41

was in on that thinking it'd be a fake bomb.

43:43

Got it. They are like, it's a real bomb. Get

43:45

over here.

43:45

It all falls together because then that fucking

43:47

dumb dumb This part.

43:48

Makes perfect sense, right, Okay?

43:50

And I think even when thinking,

43:52

when thinking about the dumb dumb, the way he panicked

43:55

when the beeping went off is he didn't even know

43:57

that it was fake until the beeping went off.

43:59

That's what I think, Yes, because

44:02

you mean that it was real?

44:03

Yeah?

44:03

Yeah, Because even him saying I'm not lying, he's

44:06

lying. He thinks it's not real. And I think

44:08

they're telling him this. I don't know

44:10

why she's telling him this but I don't

44:12

believe that, so yeah, okay, yes,

44:14

So.

44:17

They strap it to it in his neck.

44:18

At gunpoint, the FBI had already concluded

44:21

they had checked out the bomb and that it was rigged,

44:23

so at any attempt to remove it at all,

44:25

I would have set it off. So he was destined. He

44:27

was going to die no matter what. Then,

44:29

in late two thousand and five, a few months after Marjorie

44:33

first talked to the FEDS, a witness comes forward

44:35

and says that an ex television repairman

44:37

turned crack dealer named

44:39

Kenneth Barnes was also involved.

44:42

Barnes was already in jail on unrelated drug

44:44

charges, so when threatened with

44:46

more time behind bars, he agrees to a deal. He would

44:48

give the full account blah blah blah, reduced sentence.

44:51

He confirms that Marjorie was he

44:54

says, which is what other people were coming forward and saying,

44:56

Marjorie was the mastermind behind the collar

44:58

bomb plot. I claim she needed

45:00

the cash so she could pay him to

45:03

kill her father for inheritance money. Jesus

45:06

Christ, I know in Airy Pennsylvania,

45:08

she's just she's like a black widow.

45:11

Yeah, So

45:14

he's sentenced de Varne's A sentenced to forty

45:16

five years behind bars, but he agrees to testify

45:18

against Marjorie. He also

45:20

explains Brian Well's reasoning why

45:22

he even got in on the plot for money. He

45:25

needed the money because he had developed a relationship

45:28

with a sex worker and he had devised

45:30

a scheme where he was like, I'm gonna

45:32

sell crack because I need the money to bet with

45:34

her. I think he was like in love with her, but

45:37

he had fallen into debt with a crack dealer, so

45:39

he need to pay them off.

45:41

Okay, so he's like the most romantic

45:43

crack dealer.

45:44

Of all time.

45:45

Yeah, it's for love, which is like so sweet.

45:47

And in one of the articles it's like he was a drug dealer,

45:49

and it's like, well he wasn't when you call him a drug

45:51

dealer or you're not, you know,

45:54

explaining the intricacies, which sounds like a

45:56

fucking movie.

45:56

Look, if you're selling crack to people, you're

45:59

a drug dealer. Doesn't matter what your motives

46:01

are.

46:02

You're correct.

46:02

You could be a cold hearted snake, or

46:05

you can be you

46:07

are correct, you could be the most nicest,

46:09

romantic person if you're selling drugs

46:12

Because Also, it's not like he's selling pots,

46:14

so he's getting sixty bucks a hit.

46:16

He's like probably making fucking bank.

46:18

And these people who are crack heads

46:21

or crack addicts are ruining their lives,

46:23

so he's helping them ruin their lives.

46:25

Yes, exactly, eating into betting and then also

46:27

on top of that, so that he can.

46:28

Fuck a lady who probably

46:30

doesn't give a shit.

46:31

One way or the other about him, right, otherwise she wouldn't

46:33

be charging him.

46:34

Probably, one would like to think that it would go

46:36

into a Julia Roberts

46:38

that movie kind of direction right where

46:40

she then does actually kiss him on the mouth.

46:42

Oh my god,

46:44

Why am I being romantic about that?

46:48

Well, you probably got involved in your reading. I'm

46:50

just counterpointing.

46:51

I just want to know Brian wellsmore like I feel

46:54

he probably wasn't the sharpest needle

46:56

in the tack. I

47:00

knew I wasn't going to get that right, so I just kept going

47:02

with it.

47:02

You know what I mean? That was like a straight

47:05

up Yogi Bara style quote.

47:07

Just I took someone else dumb,

47:09

like mixing

47:12

her metaphors.

47:13

Oh man,

47:17

So yeah, I don't know.

47:18

To me, he's the he's the he

47:21

lost the most. He's not some mastermind.

47:23

He's not like, yeah, he got duped

47:25

pretty hard for a reason that

47:28

you know he didn't understand.

47:29

Was okay.

47:32

He also testified that Marjorie's x

47:34

his body was the freezer body was

47:36

also in on the crime. The reason he had been killed

47:38

was because he threatened to tell the feds, not because of money.

47:41

Oh so that's why his freezer body

47:43

happened.

47:44

Okay.

47:44

When Marjorie took the stand around trial, she's fucking

47:46

renting and rating. She's like, she's bananas.

47:49

She's butter crazy. She's butter crazy. She

47:51

claims to have never met Brian Wills

47:53

and his Brian Wells, the victim, even

47:55

though he testified that she had even

47:58

measured his neck for the collar bomb.

47:59

Oh, the jury didn't believe

48:01

her.

48:02

She's voted guilty of arm voted guilty of armed

48:04

robbery.

48:07

I wrote that day.

48:07

I wrote it voted guilty, and I'm like, I'll figure that

48:09

out once we're there.

48:11

So I just read it off the vapor.

48:13

I mean, technically, are right vote they vote at

48:15

voted guilty.

48:15

Guilty of armed bank robbery, conspiracy

48:18

using a destructive dedyce in.

48:19

A crime of violence.

48:19

She died on April of this year, actually

48:22

as eighty six years old of natural causes. Yeah,

48:24

so she died in twenty seventeen in April.

48:27

Whoa, Yeah, when we were just hanging out thinking

48:30

anything was whatever, and then she's

48:32

dying, all right. Last

48:34

part and this is also from Wired.

48:36

We retired FBI criminal investigators

48:38

who ignore the fucking coolest.

48:40

People in the world. I want to have a drink with him, Jim

48:42

Fisher.

48:43

This guy thinks that there's no way that Marjorie

48:45

planned the collar bomb heist. He based

48:48

on the FBI's suspect profile, which

48:50

they had before anyone got

48:52

in trouble for this. He thinks Bill Rothstein

48:55

was the mastermind. He was a handyman

48:57

with the skills to create a homemade bomb, and

48:59

because because it wasn't about

49:01

money, he thinks he had never

49:03

accomplished much in his life. He wanted

49:05

to show how brilliant he was by quote

49:08

executing a crime that would grab headlines

49:10

across the globe and baffle authorities

49:12

for years. He recruited conspirators

49:14

he knew he could control, and kept crucial

49:17

details of a plot from them, a tactic designed

49:19

to further complicate the investigation, so

49:21

he thinks he was just fucking with his head,

49:23

Like I kind of reminded me of the guy from S Town

49:26

that they I.

49:27

Still haven't listened to him.

49:28

Well, people who have listened to S Town that

49:31

this guy was like this brilliant dude.

49:34

Yeah, it kind of reminds me of that. In the end,

49:36

says Jim Fisher, the son of a bitch

49:38

ended up winning.

49:40

Huh, well not so much because

49:42

I'd never heard of this case before. Yeah,

49:45

but we are talking about it now.

49:47

He won by dying a

49:49

free man. Yes, that's true and

49:52

baffling the shit and they still don't really understand

49:54

how and what happened.

49:56

Which isn't a victory because that just means

49:58

you went crazy, You victimized bunch

50:00

of people, and it doesn't

50:02

make sense why you did it. Yeah, that's

50:05

not like your genius credit.

50:08

No, I think that's fucked up.

50:09

What he specifically wanted, which

50:11

again is not a genius move.

50:14

It's like, for me, like

50:16

the kitchen timer right there, proves

50:18

that he's not a genius. Get one

50:20

of those led digital readout timers

50:22

or get the fuck out of town.

50:23

Well, I think what he wanted to prove is he could fucking make

50:25

a bomb in his whatever garage out

50:28

of anything. You know, those people who like to take

50:30

things apart and put them back together just to see how they

50:32

work, instead of reading a fucking book and just chilling

50:35

out take a nap.

50:37

Yeah, I guess that's true. Well that was fascinating.

50:39

Yeah, I'd say, look at

50:41

the picture of him sitting in the middle of the road.

50:44

Go nowhere near the video of him notting

50:46

blown up.

50:47

In fact, I want you to see the picture kind of Stephen,

50:49

Can you pull that up just to see

50:51

It's just this like clear afternoon

50:53

news story of him sitting there.

50:55

They're not too close. I can totally

50:58

picture it. He looks like a man

51:00

sitting there. Oh, it's just like this

51:02

still body, not dead I'm

51:04

talking about when.

51:05

He's he was just waiting. Yeah, so was

51:07

that the whole bomb squad thing. They were just

51:09

waiting for the bomb squad to show up.

51:11

Yeah, that's what.

51:11

He was just sitting on the curb and they were calling

51:13

the bomb scud. But also they weren't sure if he

51:15

was even in on it, so they had their guns drawn on

51:18

him. Yeah that one.

51:20

Go look up the picture.

51:21

Everyone.

51:22

It's like it's like a bummer.

51:24

Obviously.

51:26

It looks like when someone gets stopped at the

51:28

traffic thing and then they go to arrest him.

51:30

Yeah, it looks like that, like he's an unruly drunk

51:32

driver. Yeah, what's that?

51:34

Do you know what his shirt says or what that says? Guests?

51:37

Oh, that's the guest thing.

51:38

Yeah, and they think that's part

51:40

of it. Is like Bill Rothstein

51:42

put a shirt on him that says, guess.

51:44

That's fucked up. I know.

51:46

Wow, that's a good one.

51:47

Thank you.

51:47

It's so weird because I saw this like it was from

51:49

two thousand and three. I think I saw maybe a city confidential

51:52

or a twenty twenty, like pretty immediately after it happened,

51:54

so no one still knew what was going on, and

51:58

it just stuck with me. And it was one of those ones where I was

52:00

like, everyone knows this one, so I'm not going to do it,

52:02

and then I was like, maybe they don't.

52:05

So, I mean, the one I thought it was was there's

52:07

an I survived about a woman who gets

52:09

home invaded.

52:10

They it's her and her daughter, right, and.

52:12

They put a bomb on her and make her go rob

52:14

a bank and she and they're like if you say anything,

52:17

it's the same exact thing. But she really

52:19

was, uh you know, she

52:21

was a victim and survived it. They ended

52:24

up getting off her.

52:24

Yeah, oh good, yeah, few,

52:27

I know.

52:27

Well, I think you're first this time this week. Okay,

52:32

my turn, let's do it.

52:34

I don't know what that voice was.

52:37

I this story is.

52:39

I've been trying to do it for a really long time, but

52:42

because I've been reading an Anne Rule

52:45

book about this serial killer

52:47

and uh, but then I

52:49

think Frank eight the back half of

52:51

the book. It turned into a thing where

52:53

then had I was trying to find the book again

52:56

and whatever.

52:57

I think we should make it for new listeners. Frank is

53:00

her dog. It's not her boyfriend.

53:01

That's right.

53:04

I have a really nervous boyfriend named Frank.

53:06

He doesn't like when I learned thing.

53:08

He doesn't like when I leave the house. So

53:11

but but the first chapter of this

53:13

book is one of the most hook

53:16

you in and you can't stop reading

53:18

chapters. It's Anne Rules.

53:19

I've been meaning to read a new one by her

53:22

movie.

53:22

Yeah, this is a great one. I had bought one

53:24

at the airport on the last tour that

53:27

was. It was a bunch of different stories

53:29

kind of all put together. But

53:31

I realized that, like, that's

53:33

a little bit too depressing because it's just almost like

53:35

the same thing over there.

53:36

And I like her thoughts on it and stuff.

53:38

Yeah, you I I think

53:40

I enjoy like the full thing more. But the cool

53:43

thing about Anne Rule is that she just goes so far

53:45

into the victims lives, so you get all

53:47

that information. So if anybody, if

53:49

this is an interesting story you, Anne

53:51

Rule wrote a book called lust Killer and

53:53

it's about this guy. But this

53:56

is the best part. So I

53:59

texted Stephen yesterday. I was like, can you please get

54:01

me a chronology of this guy so that I can

54:03

get ahead on this story. And so he

54:05

looked up and found this

54:08

chronology that was put together by some people in

54:10

the Department of Psychology at Radford University

54:13

in Radford, Virginia. And those people are

54:15

Mike Keith, Audrey, mag Mangram.

54:19

I was gonna say Magnum, Audrey, Mangram,

54:22

Kimberly Masked, Heather McGinn, Ryan Miller,

54:24

Kristin Pouchot, Nicole Newsom,

54:26

and Vicki Tanner. Lot of ladies,

54:28

so many ladies. Yeah, it doesn't

54:31

say if they are like students. It doesn't

54:33

say who they are in the department or whatever,

54:35

but they put together it's like an Excel spreadsheet

54:38

of the years and then

54:40

the significant like moments

54:42

in this guy's life. Nice, which is a

54:45

life saving for doing a show like

54:47

this.

54:48

Yeah, I need that. Yeah so many

54:50

times.

54:50

We needed every GD week and then instead

54:52

you have to read eighteen hundred articles to find

54:54

that.

54:54

Yeah, which is fine, Fine, it's good.

54:56

But then when you have a spine like this, these guys

54:58

did amazing work, really good.

55:01

It's just very great detail work. Where sometimes

55:03

when you're reading a story, if you read two articles,

55:05

the second one contradicts the first one, then

55:08

you're like, well, did he join your army or not?

55:10

Like it's that thing I always.

55:11

Am like, well, the first one said this, so I believe it.

55:13

It's just the first one I picked to read. But it's not like

55:16

I'm believe about this guy Wikipedia

55:18

overall.

55:18

All Right, Okay, So it's

55:21

Jerry Brudos, the shoe fetish slayer.

55:24

He's you've seen. There's one

55:26

million all true crime shows about him, and

55:28

there's a Law and Order that's basically his story.

55:31

So Jerry Brudos is born January

55:33

thirty, first nineteen.

55:34

Thirty nine websary. What's his name? I didn't hear that.

55:36

Jerry Brudos is born

55:39

on January thirty first, nineteen thirty nine,

55:41

in Webster, South Dakota, and it

55:43

turns out he was an accident and

55:46

his mother wanted a girl, so

55:50

they lived on a farm. When he was five, they moved

55:52

to Portland, Oregon, and they basically move.

55:56

It looks like every two to five years.

55:57

His whole childhood and into his.

56:00

Adult life, which sucks.

56:01

And also it doesn't say any this

56:03

anywhere at all that My theory is his dad

56:06

was an alcoholic or somebody in the family was an alcoholic,

56:08

where they had to just keep leaving town and starting

56:10

over, right, But also

56:13

they I think he starts his dad starts

56:15

out as a farmer, and it might just be that they're

56:17

trying to he's trying to basically be

56:20

a migrant farmer and like go to the

56:22

new place where.

56:22

He can make follow the money.

56:24

But every two years, it's just so disruptive.

56:27

Yeah, fucked out.

56:27

It's so sad.

56:30

Anyway, So one day he's

56:33

wandering around alone at the junk yard when he's

56:35

five years old, as you do, and he

56:38

finds a pair of open totes spike heeled

56:41

shoes, and he

56:43

is obsessed and immediately, yes,

56:45

this is his jam.

56:46

He puts them on.

56:48

He probably never sees women wearing that kind of

56:50

thing where he's from, maybe like his mom probably

56:52

doesn't wear shit like that.

56:53

I don't know, but he goes crazy.

56:56

He plays with them, He takes them home.

56:59

His mom finds them and goes berserk

57:01

on him and is like screaming whatever,

57:03

and like, never touch these again. You're not supposed

57:05

to touch You're not supposed to like.

57:07

This whatever, Which is a great way to get your kid to be really into

57:09

something. Yeah, hi, Hi, we

57:11

know that.

57:11

So let's take a five year old and be like

57:14

this is forbidden and then see what

57:16

happens.

57:16

You don't understand why it's forbidden.

57:18

Yeah.

57:19

Yeah.

57:19

Eventually he kept finding

57:21

them and like she would take away from Finally

57:24

she burned them to

57:26

symbolically for him.

57:27

Perfect.

57:29

When he's six, they moved to Rivert in California

57:32

and he's in the first grade.

57:35

His teacher wore high heel

57:37

shoes and kept another pair in the classroom,

57:39

so he tried to steal them one day so he

57:41

could take them home, but another kid

57:43

in the class saw him and told on him.

57:46

So from a first grade

57:49

this is like a very very early age.

57:52

He fails second grade. He

57:54

is diagnosed with measles, sore throats,

57:56

swollen glands, laryngitis, He

58:01

has frequent headaches that

58:04

actually leave him unable to

58:06

see clearly.

58:07

Oh my god. So he's got some stuff going on.

58:09

But also all of those illnesses

58:12

that he has, it makes me go like, were you not taken

58:14

care of very well?

58:15

Definitely fedwell?

58:17

Did you not sleep correct? You know, like why

58:19

would you just be constantly sick? So

58:25

in nineteen forty seven, when he's eight years old, the family

58:27

moves to Grant's Pass, Oregon, and

58:30

next door there's a house that

58:32

has I think it's three teenage girls,

58:35

right, So they

58:38

have a little brother, and Jerry

58:41

starts sneaking into that house with

58:43

the brother to steal these

58:45

girls underwear. They

58:49

first they play in the clothes, then he like discovers

58:51

the underwear, and then so it goes from shoes to

58:54

undergarments. A

58:56

couple of years later, the family moves

58:58

again to Wallace Pond because

59:02

Jerry's father is getting back into farming

59:04

and his

59:08

when he's going through puberty, his mother is

59:10

disgusted by anything sexual

59:13

that Jerry does. You know, if

59:15

he has a wet dream, she makes him wash

59:18

his sheets by hand.

59:19

There's a lot of shaming, a lot of like sounds

59:22

like verbal abuse. How to

59:24

create a cereal Keller?

59:25

Yeah, I mean. So

59:29

he starts to fantasize that he wants to

59:32

capture a girl and make

59:34

her obey his commands and beg

59:36

for mercy. So

59:39

when he's around sixteen, he

59:42

steals an eighteen year old

59:44

girl's underwear. Then he decides that he wants nude

59:46

pictures of her, so he tells

59:49

her that he has

59:51

found out who stole her underwear and to

59:53

meet her to meet him at her at his house.

59:56

So the girl goes over to his house and

59:59

she is there's she's attacked by a masked

1:00:01

man who forces her

1:00:03

to take off her clothes and takes pictures of her,

1:00:06

and then the man runs away, and then the

1:00:09

girl gets dressed and she goes

1:00:11

to leave, and she runs into Jerry, and

1:00:13

Jerry says, I was locked in the barn

1:00:15

this whole time. What happened? I just saw a

1:00:18

guy running out of here in a mass. The

1:00:20

girl runs away reports the whole thing to police.

1:00:23

So essentially he's trying to and there was another

1:00:25

story but I could not find it anywhere of

1:00:27

him doing that and coming

1:00:29

back in and saying that he was his own twin

1:00:31

brother. Oh my god, and that

1:00:34

really sorry. It was like one of the first times he did this.

1:00:36

He's really sorry. He basically

1:00:39

makes a girl, a young girl his

1:00:41

age, take off her clothes, takes pictures of her,

1:00:44

leaves, changes his clothes, combs

1:00:46

his hair differently, comes in and goes, I'm

1:00:49

sorry about my brother Jerry.

1:00:50

I'm his brother. What a crazy

1:00:52

creepy that like reeps me out. It's

1:00:55

so creepy.

1:00:56

And of course and I think that little girl

1:00:58

from the story that I remember didn't

1:01:00

report it to the police. It's just like this weird,

1:01:02

fucked up thing. Yeah, so

1:01:06

anyway, I know it's it's it's

1:01:09

it's also that kind of indicative of that

1:01:11

the sociopathic thing. If I'm smarter than everybody,

1:01:14

like, there's no way anyone's gonna find out. Here's

1:01:16

my great plan. I'm going to play my own

1:01:18

identical twin Yeah insane.

1:01:20

Yeah, this is not full house, yeah exactly.

1:01:23

So Okay, so when

1:01:27

he's seventeen, he lures

1:01:29

a girl into his car. He drives her to a

1:01:31

deserted farmhouse, beats her up. By

1:01:34

some miracle. There's a couple that's

1:01:36

like sight seeing out in the country and

1:01:38

they stop at the same abandoned farmhouse

1:01:41

and they find they like walk in

1:01:43

on what's happening and call the cops. So

1:01:47

Jerry claims that he'd also stop to help the

1:01:49

girl. Because they find him and her and she's

1:01:51

tied up. He says, no, I found her that

1:01:53

way, I was here to help her. Police don't

1:01:55

believe it, and

1:01:58

they finally they talked him long and he confesses.

1:02:01

So he's arrested for assault and battery.

1:02:04

And they find in his house and

1:02:06

in his car women's underwear, pictures

1:02:09

and photo equipment. So

1:02:12

soon after his arrest they send him to Oregon State

1:02:14

Hospital, the psychiatric ward for nine

1:02:16

months.

1:02:18

How do you think that that wasn't a fucking vaca.

1:02:20

Probably no psychiatric hospital

1:02:22

back then.

1:02:23

What year is it, it's nineteen

1:02:25

sixty nine, I believe No,

1:02:27

No, it's vire Hose. Bad news.

1:02:33

He starts talking to the doctors there about

1:02:35

his sexual fantasies, his hatred and

1:02:38

revenge of the revenge he wants

1:02:40

to take against his mother and women

1:02:42

in general. And he's a diagnosed

1:02:44

with schizophrenia, which was actually a common

1:02:47

thing that would happen back then. That

1:02:49

that wasn't actually an accurate diagnosis

1:02:53

exactly.

1:02:53

It was just kind of like you are, you're

1:02:57

what is that called?

1:02:59

I was?

1:02:59

I want to say, but it's a nothing.

1:03:05

I was going to say, devianus,

1:03:07

Yeah, deviant, that's it. Devian Okay, I was

1:03:09

going to say that, but then he said devious. He's

1:03:12

a deviant.

1:03:13

He's a deviant.

1:03:13

That's what I was trying to say. I got it, Stephen. I'd

1:03:16

love that you look at me. Can

1:03:18

you help me? Will you try? You said

1:03:20

the only word I was thinking. Okay.

1:03:22

So

1:03:25

so, and they also they the things that he's

1:03:27

telling them that he likes, they

1:03:29

don't they don't know how to classify

1:03:32

them. There's not a thing yet, yeah exactly, I

1:03:34

mean whatever there might have been. But they're

1:03:36

basically like slap schizophrenia on him

1:03:38

and like.

1:03:40

Treat him for that, which is probably electric shock

1:03:42

therapy.

1:03:43

Uh. He still graduates

1:03:45

with this high school class in nineteen fifty seven. Oh

1:03:48

so this is the late fifties. It's not even

1:03:50

the sixties. Wow. So

1:03:52

then he joins the army in nineteen fifty

1:03:55

nine, he tells the army psychiatrist

1:03:57

about these same obsessions, and

1:03:59

the psychiatrist has him discharged

1:04:01

from the army. So he moves back

1:04:03

in with his parents.

1:04:04

Now they live in Corvallis, organ and

1:04:07

he has to live.

1:04:08

In their shed. Oh, they make him

1:04:10

live out back in the shed.

1:04:11

I mean he's an adult. Now, can we please fucking

1:04:13

treat him like a human or get

1:04:15

an apartment? Yeah?

1:04:17

I mean yeah. So one

1:04:21

night he's running an errand and he

1:04:24

sees a young girl walking by

1:04:26

herself, and he decides he's

1:04:28

going to follow her and he so he basically

1:04:31

stalks her, or follows her home, attacks

1:04:35

her, strangles her until she's unconscious,

1:04:37

and then steals her shoes. And

1:04:39

that night he slept with the shoes.

1:04:41

Oh my god, this is so creepy.

1:04:44

This is nothing. Oh no,

1:04:48

So he becomes an electronics technician. In

1:04:51

nineteen sixty one, when he's twenty one, he gets a job

1:04:53

at a radio station, and

1:04:56

that's when he meets his future wife, seventeen

1:04:58

year old Darcy. Ma.

1:05:01

Yeah, Darcy, run Darcy.

1:05:04

Of course, Darcy's parents don't approve of the

1:05:06

relationship because she's so young, and because

1:05:09

of that, they are married within a few months of

1:05:11

meeting.

1:05:11

That's like, let's solve this by marrying

1:05:14

them.

1:05:14

Yeah, yes, exactly. Well,

1:05:16

it's like, you want to get out of your parents' house anyway. This

1:05:18

guy comes along, Yeah,

1:05:21

he loves underwear. You got

1:05:23

to get him. So tie

1:05:25

that guy down right, literally, So

1:05:29

they settle in Salem Morgan and

1:05:34

Jerry's thing is he wants her to do all of

1:05:36

her housework in the nude so he can take pictures

1:05:38

of her while she's doing it.

1:05:40

She's like, I'm sweatings, I'm

1:05:43

swiffering. Yeah.

1:05:45

Yeah.

1:05:45

And she's so young that she's completely kind

1:05:47

of under his She probably doesn't

1:05:50

know what if this is normal or not exactly.

1:05:52

Yeah, this is now married life. She's

1:05:54

you know, like, I guess this is what you do as

1:05:57

a wife.

1:05:57

Yeah.

1:05:58

And around the same time, he starts complaining

1:06:01

that he's getting migraines so bad that he's blacking

1:06:03

out and that the only thing that

1:06:05

helps alleviate those symptoms is

1:06:08

going on night prowling

1:06:10

raids to steal shoes and underwear

1:06:13

from local women.

1:06:14

Everyone who's been taking advil for your fucking migraines.

1:06:17

We've got a new solution. It's

1:06:20

a way creepier solution. So

1:06:24

he would keep all of those trophies,

1:06:27

trophies, shoes,

1:06:30

and underwear in a garage that

1:06:32

he had built. It was like a sub basement that

1:06:35

his wife couldn't enter into until

1:06:38

she announced her arrival on an intercom. It

1:06:40

was he was locked down in this basement and she'd

1:06:42

have to be like, honey,

1:06:44

can I bring you some rits?

1:06:49

Okay?

1:06:49

So put this away real quick. Yeah,

1:06:51

he has it set up where it's like this is

1:06:53

my man cave. You're not allowed down here. So

1:06:58

in nineteen sixty two they have a dog, but

1:07:00

Jerry can't hold a steady job. They

1:07:03

move all the time. They finally settle

1:07:05

back in Portland. Jerry becomes an electrician.

1:07:08

In nineteen sixty seven. They have a son, so two

1:07:10

kids, but his

1:07:12

wife won't let him in the delivery room when

1:07:14

she's having the baby, her second baby, and

1:07:18

he he's so

1:07:21

hurt by this was what this article

1:07:24

was saying, or like it affected him so much.

1:07:26

That's when the raping and the killing starts.

1:07:28

Wait, isn't that normal for back then? Yeah?

1:07:31

I mean I think it's probably I'm assuming

1:07:34

this is his story of him being like it

1:07:36

pays me out so much, you know, like that's the

1:07:38

wife's salts.

1:07:38

I think that's so normal.

1:07:40

I think even when my in the seventies, when my brother

1:07:42

was born and my dad wasn't allowed in.

1:07:44

There, right, but this was the wife's

1:07:46

decision. This is what they're saying.

1:07:48

Okay, yeah, so it

1:07:51

makes it sound like he was allowed in for

1:07:53

their first child and not this some weird

1:07:55

thing had happened. Yeah, so that's

1:07:58

why he that's what he

1:08:00

says. Of course it's someone else's fault,

1:08:02

right, But also I imagine

1:08:04

they've now been married for six years

1:08:07

or so.

1:08:08

She's probably seen some.

1:08:09

Weird shit, and she's heard some weird shit,

1:08:12

and there's a whole room she's locked out of

1:08:14

all the time, so she's probably there's you

1:08:16

know, like who knows what her state

1:08:18

is.

1:08:18

She knows him well enough that he doesn't want to go in there for

1:08:20

the miracle of his child being born. He wants

1:08:23

to go in there for something fucking creepy.

1:08:25

Yeah, she doesn't trust it, right, how

1:08:28

unnerving?

1:08:28

Oh my god, Like, if.

1:08:29

I see my husband's face when I'm giving

1:08:31

birth, I'm gonna cry.

1:08:32

I will barf, barf and cry.

1:08:34

I'll barf, cry and then shit on the table, which

1:08:36

is what everyone does. Apparently that's

1:08:39

my friend Michelle Baalan doesn't.

1:08:40

No, I heard that. It's terrifying. That's

1:08:42

terrifying, bart okay.

1:08:46

So shortly after that

1:08:49

the childbirth, he claims

1:08:52

that he stalked a woman in Portland, Oregon, followed

1:08:54

her home, waited for her to fall asleep, broke

1:08:56

into her house to steal her shoes, but

1:08:58

then when she woke up mid robbery

1:09:02

and catches him, he chokes her until

1:09:04

she passes out, rapes her, steals her shoes,

1:09:06

and then leaves. So

1:09:09

then in January of nineteen sixty

1:09:11

eight, and this is

1:09:14

the this is the woman who

1:09:16

Anne Rule's book starts.

1:09:17

With, oh, okay, I forgot about that

1:09:19

part.

1:09:20

Yeah, so she starts with this

1:09:22

the first murder victim.

1:09:23

Okay.

1:09:24

And her name was her name was

1:09:26

Linda Slawson. She was selling Encyclopedia's

1:09:29

door to door in the rain in

1:09:32

Portland. Oh no, and at nights.

1:09:35

No no, no, no, no no no. This sounds like a horror

1:09:37

movie.

1:09:37

I will completely the way this is

1:09:39

written, it's like she's trying to decide.

1:09:42

She hasn't had me sales, she's just

1:09:44

moved out on.

1:09:44

Her own, and I keep trying maybe the

1:09:46

next one.

1:09:47

Yeah, she like needs the money, she has to eat, like

1:09:49

things are getting bad. And then there's like one

1:09:52

last house that has a light on, and she's like, I

1:09:54

just want to go home. I'll just try this one last

1:09:56

time.

1:09:56

Back then, they aren't as scared as we are today, and weary,

1:09:59

no, weary of.

1:10:01

There were so many door to door sales men and women

1:10:03

back then.

1:10:03

Yeah, and you'd let them in your house and it was yeah,

1:10:06

and ninety percent of the time nothing happened.

1:10:08

That's right, Just a lot of vacuum sales,

1:10:11

right. Uh okay,

1:10:13

So so she goes up and she

1:10:15

rings Jerry Brutus's doorbell.

1:10:18

He is you see a picture of him.

1:10:20

He looks like a cartoon.

1:10:22

He looks like the missing Friend on King of the

1:10:24

Hill, Like he's just he looks like grown

1:10:26

up Charlie Brown with army issue

1:10:29

black glasses on.

1:10:31

Just a big round head.

1:10:32

Like pasty, no distinguishing

1:10:34

features, a little lumpy uh

1:10:37

yeah, kind of like almost like a bit of a

1:10:39

snowman, just

1:10:41

round, round round.

1:10:43

I love the picture in my head. I never

1:10:45

want to see what he actually looks like.

1:10:46

Just a vicious snowman.

1:10:47

Okay, okay, So but he when

1:10:49

he answers the door, friendly, nice,

1:10:51

low key, and he

1:10:54

brings he's, oh, come in, I actually just was

1:10:56

I really wanted to get a set of those acts

1:10:58

super interested, then explains that

1:11:01

his I think he said his children were sleeping. I

1:11:03

think that's what his excuse was. Can you come

1:11:05

down into the basement. Oh yeah,

1:11:07

so they could talk business down there. Well,

1:11:09

she goes down and

1:11:12

he almost immediately hits her in the

1:11:14

head with a two by four, beats

1:11:17

her and then strangles her to death.

1:11:18

Oh Mike, And then did he mean

1:11:21

to you that time? Do you think? Yes? Okay,

1:11:23

that was the whole idea, because he was strangling

1:11:25

until they passed out before that, right, okay.

1:11:28

But this girl comes to his door and then he's

1:11:30

like, the wife was out, and

1:11:33

he knew he had time to do whatever he wanted.

1:11:37

So once before she.

1:11:41

After she's dead, and before he gets rid of the

1:11:43

body, he takes off her clothes and dresses

1:11:45

her up in the stolen underwear that

1:11:47

he has in his collection.

1:11:50

Then this is bad.

1:11:52

He cuts off her left foot and keeps it in

1:11:54

the freezer in a high heeled show.

1:11:56

So it's like he has no I'm this

1:11:59

processing that home. Shit

1:12:02

is crazy.

1:12:03

Yeah. So then when

1:12:06

he and at some point

1:12:08

there his wife came home and he went back

1:12:10

upstairs in like ate dinner with the family.

1:12:13

I believe I read that in the annual book, but I'm

1:12:16

almost positive that that's happening.

1:12:18

He basically had family interactions

1:12:20

like right after.

1:12:21

Doing super normal, well probably as normal as

1:12:23

he is racked.

1:12:24

Yeah, he's probably always coming

1:12:27

up from that sub basement a little bit sweaty.

1:12:29

Sure. So later in that night,

1:12:31

he rolls her.

1:12:31

In a rug, drives to a bridge,

1:12:34

pulls out all this stuff to make it look like he got

1:12:36

a flat tire as almost like safety,

1:12:39

and then dumps her body in the river. So

1:12:43

then in July of nineteen sixty so that was January,

1:12:46

so six months later, Stephanie

1:12:49

Vico is reported missing from Portland.

1:12:52

And then in November the

1:12:55

same year, Jance Susan Whitney is

1:12:57

reported missing from Portland. Jan's

1:12:59

twenty three year old college student at the University

1:13:01

of Oregon. Then

1:13:04

in March of nineteen sixty nine, so

1:13:06

about six months later, a woman named

1:13:08

Karen Sprinkler, who was a nineteen year old

1:13:10

college student, goes missing, and

1:13:14

when the police take thewindness

1:13:17

accounts of Karen going missing, two

1:13:19

young girls tell the police they saw

1:13:22

a large man dressed as a woman on

1:13:24

the parking lot garage roof where

1:13:26

Karen's abandoned car was found on

1:13:28

that day. WHOA if

1:13:31

you see a picture of this guy and then

1:13:33

you picture him lurking

1:13:36

around like a parking structure

1:13:39

dressed as a woman, it's.

1:13:40

Very scary that it's this scary.

1:13:42

It's anyway, it sounds like, uh,

1:13:46

Norman Norman Bates,

1:13:48

Yeah, just like his mom

1:13:50

kind of a thing. Yeah, Yeah, creepy

1:13:54

because probably from a distance, you're like, oh, man,

1:13:56

there's a woman up here on the same parking thing. You'd

1:13:59

feel I think that's part of what's sinister to me.

1:14:01

You're lured into safety of like, oh, that's

1:14:03

the woman just like me. I'm fine.

1:14:05

I could see myself doing that completely

1:14:07

sure.

1:14:08

Yeah. So

1:14:11

a month later, a woman

1:14:14

named Sharon Wood is attacked

1:14:17

in a parking garage at Portland State University.

1:14:22

She fends off her attacker by.

1:14:23

Biting his thumb until it bled, and

1:14:27

it of course turns out to be Jerry. Once

1:14:30

she does this, he beats

1:14:32

her unconscious, but then a car

1:14:34

comes so he has to run. So

1:14:38

the police get the report of this make

1:14:40

no connection to the other parking garage

1:14:43

attack. The

1:14:45

next day after that attack, Jerry sees

1:14:47

fourteen year old Leanne Brumley. He tries

1:14:50

to abduct her, she fights him off

1:14:52

and escapes. Day

1:14:54

after that, a woman named Linda Don

1:14:56

Saley is reported missing. Her

1:14:58

car is found abandoned in a parking garage.

1:15:02

The police realize now that they're dealing

1:15:04

with a serial killer. So

1:15:08

the next month, which is May of nineteen sixty nine,

1:15:10

a local fisherman discovers Linda Saley's

1:15:12

body in the Long Tom River. It

1:15:15

was weighed down by a car transmission.

1:15:18

And then two days after that, Karen Sprinkler's

1:15:20

body is found fifty feet away. Oh

1:15:23

my god, so that's obviously his dumping ground.

1:15:28

Karen was also tied to an old engine, which

1:15:30

is the reason it kept her submerged for a long

1:15:32

time, and he this

1:15:35

is bad, okay.

1:15:36

He cut off her breasts to keep his souvenirs.

1:15:40

He also placed a bra from his collection of

1:15:43

undergarments over her mangled

1:15:46

chest. Is the way they worded it. Yeah,

1:15:50

so this guy is basically berserking.

1:15:53

He's he's trying to attack

1:15:55

women almost daily, killing

1:15:58

people, and then these bodies are coming

1:16:00

up of when he like, it's it's just

1:16:02

all going faster and fast.

1:16:03

Yeah, like he started and then was fucking on.

1:16:06

Yes, and then anytime he can't, he

1:16:08

can't, you know, someone gets away, then he has to do try

1:16:10

it again the very next day. So it's like wow.

1:16:14

So the same month, he starts

1:16:17

calling dorm rooms at Oregon

1:16:19

State University to try

1:16:21

to arrange blind dates with the co ed.

1:16:24

What the fuck? And it works?

1:16:26

No? Uh huh?

1:16:27

What does he say? I

1:16:31

don't know.

1:16:32

I want to know how he I

1:16:34

mean, I would love to I would

1:16:36

love to know, And I bet you it's in that book.

1:16:38

I promise I'm going to finish reading this. I'm

1:16:40

just wondering everyone else should read it with me. But yeah,

1:16:44

insane.

1:16:45

Uh So they're

1:16:48

now the police now are onto the pattern. They're staking

1:16:50

out places where young co eds

1:16:53

hang out, where they end up, like

1:16:55

parking structure, stuff like that. A

1:16:59

female student who claims to have gone

1:17:01

on a blind date with this guy goes

1:17:03

to police and gives his description, so

1:17:06

now the police know what he looks like.

1:17:08

And when he contacts her.

1:17:09

A second time for a follow up date, she

1:17:12

calls the police and tells them, so

1:17:15

they the police show up at the meeting

1:17:18

spot. They questioned Jerry

1:17:20

at the girl's residence Hall. Oh so

1:17:23

fucking intents at Oregon State. But

1:17:26

he's so cooperative and he

1:17:29

gave his ID, nothing came back. It all

1:17:31

seemed legit, so he was not arrested

1:17:34

because all they had on him was you're just trying

1:17:36

to make blind dates with people, which is

1:17:38

not illegal, but a bummer.

1:17:42

But then, thank god, the police,

1:17:45

after that interaction with him, go back and they

1:17:47

look up his record.

1:17:48

They look into him further and think the blind

1:17:51

date went forward after that.

1:17:53

Yeah yeah, She's like, once he got cleared by the cops,

1:17:55

She's like, so do you like roller skating? So

1:17:59

they look into his record. They decided

1:18:01

to go to his house for some follow up questions,

1:18:04

and there they see

1:18:06

several suspicious items in his garage

1:18:09

in his sub basement, and they start building a

1:18:11

case against him because they're like, they the

1:18:13

old classic line of cops, we like this

1:18:16

guy. So

1:18:19

eventually they have enough evidence to arrest to

1:18:21

get an arrest warrant. He tries

1:18:23

to run while there

1:18:26

the police are serving him with the arrest warrant.

1:18:29

Never do that. Never, it's never gonna work.

1:18:31

No, if the cops are there, yeah, you're

1:18:34

done. But

1:18:36

the warrant was for the attempted deduction of

1:18:38

Leanne Brumley from

1:18:41

the month before, and so

1:18:43

then they starting they get him into take

1:18:45

him downtown whatever. They started terrogating him,

1:18:48

and he tries

1:18:50

to call he he tries

1:18:52

to call his wife and

1:18:55

get her to burn stuff, clothing

1:18:57

and like his underwear collection

1:19:00

and all my other evidence.

1:19:01

He's like, now you can go into the sub basement.

1:19:03

Yeah, exactly right, here's the here's

1:19:05

the past.

1:19:09

But Darcy is like, give fuck

1:19:11

yourself for real, Darcy.

1:19:13

Darcy's over it. She's she's had it.

1:19:17

So the investigator's name was Jim

1:19:19

Stovell and he basically

1:19:21

gets Jerry Brutos to confess to

1:19:24

the murders of the two recently

1:19:26

discovered bodies, as well as the murder

1:19:28

of Linda Slawson and jan Whitney.

1:19:30

Wow, he's tested.

1:19:32

Jerry Brutos is tested by several psychologists

1:19:34

psychiatrists, sorry, and he

1:19:37

shows average i Q and cognition deemed

1:19:39

not criminally insane, which

1:19:42

I'm not.

1:19:42

I don't have.

1:19:44

To because how can you be a serial like

1:19:46

murder people and not being a little insane.

1:19:48

Yeah, but I'm not sure what criminally

1:19:50

insane must have a very specific thing,

1:19:53

hardcore. But he has diagnosed as

1:19:55

an anti social personality, manifested

1:19:57

by fetishism, tre trends

1:19:59

of justicism, exhibitionism,

1:20:02

voyeurism, and sadism.

1:20:05

Isn't Transit isn't a something that back then? Transvesticism

1:20:08

is a crime. Yes, it's

1:20:10

insane.

1:20:10

Yeah, and it wasn't that long ago, And like,

1:20:13

what is it? It's nineteen sixty

1:20:16

some point. I lost my paper. We're

1:20:18

in like we're in the late sixties, nineteen

1:20:20

sixty nine.

1:20:21

I'm sure someone's going to tell us when it went tell

1:20:23

and it's going to be recent.

1:20:25

Yeah. Well, I mean they

1:20:27

just fucking passed a thing. It's yeah,

1:20:33

okay.

1:20:34

So they collect all the evidence.

1:20:37

He's eventually charged with three crowns of first

1:20:39

degree murder Jan

1:20:41

Whitney, Linda Sailee, Karen Sprinkler.

1:20:44

He tries to plead

1:20:47

not guilty.

1:20:48

Not guilty by reason of insanity, but

1:20:50

eventually they just get him to plead guilty,

1:20:54

and so on the same day that he pleads guilty, he's

1:20:56

sentenced to three consecutive life sentences

1:20:58

because he confessed. Right, there's

1:21:01

no death penalty in Organs, so they just give him

1:21:03

three consecutive life sentences. He's

1:21:06

never charged with the murder of Lindis Lawson because

1:21:08

her body was never found.

1:21:09

Oh no, yeah,

1:21:12

so sad.

1:21:13

Now, around the time of

1:21:15

all these murders, twelve women went

1:21:17

missing in that area while

1:21:20

he was free, so an investigation

1:21:23

was ongoing to attempt to uncover the whereabouts

1:21:25

of those other missing women, and

1:21:28

at one point a neighbor of the Brutus's

1:21:30

implicated Darcy in the murders,

1:21:32

claiming that she had helped Jerry carry

1:21:35

a body from the garage and

1:21:37

she actually ended up going to trial for it. Now

1:21:39

being acquitted.

1:21:41

Holy shit, Yes, do you think

1:21:43

she did?

1:21:43

Because what a bummer to like have

1:21:46

a have your husband turn out to be a serial killer. Yeah,

1:21:48

you're implicated and have nothing to do with it.

1:21:50

I mean that's what I would think.

1:21:53

I don't think someone I don't know.

1:21:55

And based on what she's already done, you would

1:21:57

think that she would testify against him.

1:22:00

Immunity if she actually knew something.

1:22:02

Right and if she didn't burn that,

1:22:05

he called and was like, get rid of the events. She's like,

1:22:07

no way, that doesn't seem

1:22:09

like a person who's like in it for

1:22:11

the long haul, or like his accomplice.

1:22:17

And yeah, anyhow,

1:22:20

he goes to jail. But

1:22:22

he also had piles of

1:22:24

women's shoe catalogs in

1:22:26

his cell. He

1:22:29

would write to the companies and ask for the catalogs.

1:22:32

So there were he claimed that sub substituted

1:22:35

for pornography for him,

1:22:38

holy shit, and he actually

1:22:41

uh It

1:22:43

says he lodged countless appeals, including

1:22:46

one in which he allegedly,

1:22:49

oh sorry, He lodged

1:22:51

countless appeals, including one in which he

1:22:53

alleged that a photograph taken of him

1:22:56

with one of the corpses could

1:22:58

not prove his guilt because it was not the

1:23:00

body of the person he was convicted of killing.

1:23:03

So he they found a picture of him

1:23:05

posing with a dead body, but he

1:23:07

was well, probably

1:23:09

him, I would imagine on a time or maybe

1:23:12

yeah, kitchen timer.

1:23:13

Yeah.

1:23:16

So it's like that kind of thing where he's arguing like,

1:23:18

look, that's not the dead body, then hey, you

1:23:20

can killing one else. It's so insane.

1:23:23

It's a picture of you posing with a dead body.

1:23:25

Yeah.

1:23:26

Anyway.

1:23:26

He died in prison on March twenty eight, two thousand and

1:23:28

six, from liver cancil.

1:23:29

He lived for a long fucking time.

1:23:32

In fact, at the time of his death, he was the longest

1:23:34

incarcerated inmate in the Organ Department

1:23:36

of Corrections, a total of thirty seven

1:23:39

years.

1:23:39

Oh my god, yeah, my age.

1:23:43

Yeah, how my entire life is how long

1:23:45

he was in prison?

1:23:45

Yeah, holy sh

1:23:48

So if you want to read

1:23:50

Lust Killer, I'm going to finish

1:23:52

it and then we'll know all those details, because

1:23:54

that I really do want to know,

1:23:56

like all that stuff at the end. And I bet you it'll

1:23:59

talk more about Darcy too, because I

1:24:02

I'm sure she.

1:24:02

Talked to Annrole. I bet you should talk to Thinks, so

1:24:05

I bet she did. Love to hear more from Darcy.

1:24:08

Try to finish pretty soon. But also thanks to

1:24:10

those people from Radford University. Your

1:24:13

research helped me do

1:24:15

my thing.

1:24:16

Thanks guys. Shout outs

1:24:18

to fucking helpers. This

1:24:21

episode Wired Magazine

1:24:24

all this Wow,

1:24:26

what a creep.

1:24:27

I had never heard that one.

1:24:28

It's bad. Yeah, it's one of those ones I've been working

1:24:31

on. But every time I go to dat, I'm like, it's just a

1:24:33

I mean, it's just there's no uh.

1:24:35

But the only thing was

1:24:38

the two points. I always look for those cinematic

1:24:40

moments. One cinematic moment is a

1:24:43

person dressed up like a woman hiding in

1:24:45

a parking garage, which is the

1:24:47

scariest, like beyond yeah.

1:24:49

And then the other one

1:24:52

is that as a child attacking

1:24:55

that little girl and then being like I'm my twin

1:24:58

brother.

1:24:58

It's like, how fucking crazy

1:25:01

are you? That's like psych

1:25:03

psycho level.

1:25:04

Yeah, do you have a good thing for this

1:25:06

week? I have a good thing this week.

1:25:08

Obviously it's Elvis getting better

1:25:10

and Mimi getting better. But now

1:25:12

that they are better, I can I can

1:25:14

say what was going to be last week before this happened,

1:25:16

which is a kitten, man, a new

1:25:19

kitten, Like nothing will make it

1:25:21

more exciting in your house, Like just

1:25:23

watching her playing with a little toy by herself

1:25:26

is like joyous.

1:25:27

Yes.

1:25:28

And then at night, oh my god, at

1:25:30

night.

1:25:31

She nurses tries to nurse Vince's

1:25:33

head and it drives

1:25:36

him crazy. But it's like they

1:25:38

I like, pull her away, but not before I look at

1:25:40

it for a minute. It's just so cute and

1:25:42

she like nuzzles and she's

1:25:44

a real character.

1:25:45

And I like having her around. She's super cute.

1:25:47

Yeah, and it's funny because she matches mem

1:25:50

It's like they have the same jacket on, but

1:25:52

Mimi's like, I fucking hate you.

1:25:54

Mimi's jacket's like obviously a little

1:25:56

more worn in it's because it's still lighter and Gayler

1:25:59

she's watched it more and he fucking hates the kitten.

1:26:01

Yeah, Kitten's name is Dottie. She's

1:26:03

a real doll. So what's

1:26:06

yours mine is?

1:26:08

I did a show last night at Largo. It

1:26:10

was a comedy show for Brian Posain, who who's

1:26:14

been doing comedy for thirty years. So it was his

1:26:16

thirty year anniversary Wow in comedy.

1:26:19

So he asked a bunch of us to

1:26:21

do the show with him who he's been doing

1:26:23

it with that long, and so

1:26:25

it was me, Blanka Patch, Derek

1:26:29

Sheen, Dana Gould,

1:26:31

Greg Proops and guy O Beelam. And

1:26:34

it was such a good show, like idea

1:26:37

for a show. It was so fun and then so everyone

1:26:39

was like obviously doing their act, but then also

1:26:42

telling these stories and doing jokes

1:26:44

from their act.

1:26:45

From back then.

1:26:46

Wow, And it was so fun

1:26:48

and everyone was so insanely solid.

1:26:50

But then it also was like I had a couple of moments

1:26:53

I was it was very touching because I was like,

1:26:55

I said something about how lucky I felt to

1:26:57

have kind of happened into this tribe

1:27:00

that I found where it's like, you

1:27:02

know when those people

1:27:04

in San Francisco, those comics that I

1:27:07

met and got to be friends with that all, and we

1:27:09

all just moved on mass to lad Yeah,

1:27:12

and it was just such an amazing group of

1:27:14

talented people who were geniuses and

1:27:17

so fun and like telling stories

1:27:19

where we're like at a recovered memory on stage

1:27:21

where it's like Brian remember when oj Ran

1:27:23

and we were in Golden Apple Comics, and like

1:27:26

it was just like a whole thing like that.

1:27:28

It was really really fun.

1:27:29

That's such a nice thing to like, you know, you're

1:27:31

going through this and you're or like

1:27:33

you've been in comedy this long, and you keep you're doing

1:27:35

it and you're doing it, but then to like stop and take take

1:27:38

stock of it. Yeah, such a cool thing.

1:27:40

And I really I like that you guys did that.

1:27:42

I did too, and it takes

1:27:44

stock in this kind of like I

1:27:48

don't. It was almost like a high school. It

1:27:50

had a high school feeling in me, like

1:27:53

meaning and the.

1:27:54

Like part of you're part of this big

1:27:57

force and you get you're part of it. Yeah,

1:27:59

you belong in it.

1:28:00

And I think like when you're in that, you

1:28:03

of course don't appreciate it because you're young and an

1:28:05

asshole. I drunk all the time and kind

1:28:07

of on pills. But yeah,

1:28:10

when you later on, when you get older, you

1:28:12

know, just just know that, like when you have

1:28:14

your like posse of friends, it doesn't

1:28:16

last because everyone gets married

1:28:18

or you know, maybe moves away or whatever.

1:28:21

It's comedy for whatever reason or yeah.

1:28:23

Exactly, it's just kind of people move away

1:28:25

from each other and in ways that you

1:28:27

kind of don't expect. And then so I think

1:28:29

that there was a nice kind of like yeah, reunion

1:28:33

feel to it that I really liked. So awesome. Yeah,

1:28:36

it's those good feelings. Yeay. And

1:28:38

I because I really always I hate doing

1:28:40

stand up comedy so much, and I very often

1:28:42

cancel my sets because I'm like, there's no point and

1:28:45

I knew I couldn't do it because I wouldn't

1:28:47

do that to Brian special One. So then when

1:28:49

I was actually doing. I was like, oh, I do like it,

1:28:51

that's right, I do like comedy.

1:28:53

Yeah, you got to pick the ones

1:28:56

that mean something to you, I guess. Yeah, and

1:28:58

just like acknowledge.

1:28:59

When I'm busy, right and

1:29:01

TI TI tired and busy, I get so

1:29:03

tight so tired.

1:29:05

Well should I see if anyone is going to talk?

1:29:09

Ellis isn't mem.

1:29:12

Well, thanks for listening, everybody.

1:29:15

Thank you guys for listening. Yeah.

1:29:17

Yeah, go onto the website if

1:29:20

you want to get those pre sale tickets for the upcoming

1:29:22

tour. Australia Heads up,

1:29:24

Australia, get ready, get in there.

1:29:26

Australia be our friend.

1:29:28

Yeah, and that's

1:29:30

it.

1:29:31

Stay sexy, don't get murdered. Bye

1:29:34

bye me want to cookie.

1:29:39

Me?

1:29:40

Me?

1:29:41

Not This week, we're

1:29:44

just like leaning away from the microphone.

1:29:49

I