The Debrief - Ep. 87

The Debrief - Ep. 87

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have you had a wonderful Easter? Well,

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not a lovely Easter weekend,

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I'm afraid no. Why

0:37

is that? Well, I haven't been very well, as you

0:39

might be able to hear from my voice. But

0:41

I've been really unwell. I've just

0:43

been terrible sore throat, really achy muscles

0:46

and not been able to do

0:48

anything at all. So I missed out

0:50

on all of the family get -togethers.

0:53

Yeah, you didn't come to ours, didn't

0:55

go to your wife's. parents? No. Didn't

0:58

go out with your kids yesterday? No.

1:02

I mean, there are people listening who

1:05

would say lucky you. But

1:07

no, I felt like I missed out

1:09

seeing at home on my own. Yeah.

1:13

But we'll have to do it again. Okay.

1:15

We'll have to have another lunch. Yeah.

1:18

But what are you doing tomorrow? I'm

1:21

going to do some work on

1:23

my home capsule. Oh,

1:25

yeah, that's good. Yeah. Oh, that's the thing

1:27

we're supposed to be talking about, isn't it?

1:29

My time capsule, the podcast, which

1:32

is approaching its fifth

1:34

birthday. It is. This

1:36

time next week, we shall be five. Oh,

1:41

that means we have to start going to school, John. I

1:43

know. That's no good. No.

1:46

I don't want to do that. I don't think we

1:48

need to. No? At

1:50

least we don't get homework for a few

1:52

years. That's good. Yeah, not yet. I've

1:55

got far too much of that to do. Yeah,

1:57

five years

1:59

seems like about 20,

2:01

doesn't it? It

2:04

also seems like no time

2:06

at all. True,

2:08

true, yeah. But then when

2:10

you think about things,

2:12

when we started this just

2:14

before lockdown, so

2:16

before COVID really, I'd

2:19

done some recordings for people. I went

2:21

to their house, popped up to London,

2:23

you know, thought we're going to nice

2:25

little casual podcast, just maybe

2:27

one a week. And

2:29

then suddenly everybody said, oh, there's

2:31

this horrible thing going around and

2:33

you can't go out. So

2:35

I got in touch with everybody

2:38

and said, you want to record

2:40

a podcast? And suddenly we had

2:42

50 episodes or recorded over Zoom,

2:44

which is sort of how we've

2:46

carried on. It would have been

2:48

a very different podcast, I think,

2:50

had COVID not happened. Yeah,

2:53

I'm sure it would have been. Because we probably would have

2:55

never done any Zoom recordings. No.

2:58

Well, I don't know. Maybe, you know, I mean,

3:00

the idea when we started was maybe we'll

3:02

get big enough and we can just fly off

3:04

to America and do some recordings there with

3:06

people. But that's never happened, is it? But

3:09

we have, on a number

3:11

of occasions, just

3:14

Zoomed with people in America. And it

3:16

seems to me that the internet connection

3:18

between the United Kingdom and America, probably

3:20

once Trump works out that they're

3:22

spending more on it than we are,

3:25

he'll cut it. We won't need

3:27

it anymore. Hey, they're just ripping

3:29

us off. But

3:31

they've all worked out rather well, I

3:33

think, the American ones. Yes.

3:36

Not necessarily Rita Rudner, which

3:38

was a very difficult

3:40

recording. Yeah, well

3:42

put that together. Yeah, that was a

3:44

nightmare, wasn't it? Because, I mean,

3:46

the Zoom call, that wasn't very good,

3:48

but also she was in an

3:50

enormous room in an enormous house. Yeah,

3:52

the smallest room in her house. The smallest

3:55

room in her house. But

3:57

I said to her, is there a smaller room you

3:59

can go to? She said, I could go to the

4:01

pool room. But also, those sort

4:03

of like LA mansions are all marble

4:05

and stone, aren't they? So they're very

4:07

eerie places. And I don't

4:09

know. I've not. I've

4:11

only ever visited hers. Yeah. Oh,

4:14

well, it was all stone and marble. And

4:16

then she recorded herself,

4:19

but you're all over

4:21

the recording. Yeah. So

4:23

we used that in the end.

4:25

We did use that, but trying to

4:27

nip you out. Yeah.

4:30

Which is actually what one

4:32

of our latest guests had

4:35

done. Yeah, and I was

4:37

going to use her recording and then

4:39

I heard you all over it

4:41

So I couldn't so I had to

4:43

go back to the zoom recording.

4:45

She was sad that Sam dick arrestee

4:47

Excuse me Really? Yeah,

4:49

her recording has had you all over it.

4:52

She's a bit of a shame Well, I

4:54

think you're fine. We've got a guest coming

4:56

up with it's exactly the same situation We

4:58

have to keep making sense to people. Can

5:00

you wear headphones? But yeah,

5:02

a lot of people don't Got

5:04

to be more stringent, I think.

5:07

Yeah, Sam Nicaresti was she was

5:09

really fabulous. I thought I

5:11

really enjoyed talking to her and

5:14

a very entertaining episode where

5:16

she chose some very funny things

5:18

and everything that she chose

5:20

she had there. So

5:22

she she'd done that thing of being

5:24

really literal. I want to put these

5:26

things into a time capsule. I

5:28

think if you I would

5:30

also if you say that

5:32

if you watch, listen to

5:34

the episode, it's really worth

5:37

watching Sam's special because it's

5:39

incredibly funny, very skillful. She's

5:41

really bright and funny. But

5:44

it's also, I think, a very

5:46

reasonable argument for all the things that

5:48

have been going on recently. So

5:50

I think it's well worth watching. Yeah,

5:52

absolutely. There we are. I think, yeah, I

5:54

think that's the thing. If you are worried about any

5:56

trans issues or anything, then I

5:58

think she is a good example

6:01

of just someone trying to

6:03

live their life and it's,

6:05

you know, they haven't chosen this

6:07

path, particularly in this no, I

6:10

think, bad behind it. They just live,

6:12

want to live as a woman and

6:14

be a woman of that. No. Yeah,

6:17

I think it's interesting also because with

6:19

Sam, in Sam's case, for

6:21

her, it was something that very

6:23

slowly evolved in her life.

6:25

She didn't sort of really recognize

6:29

feelings until well into her

6:31

20s. Yeah. Which is, again,

6:33

not the way that it's

6:35

presented the whole thing. So

6:38

anyway, I think it's always

6:40

worth listening to other people's opinions.

6:43

Yeah. Unless they're Donald

6:45

Trump, don't listen to any of them.

6:47

It's rubbish. I'm

6:49

happy to be absolutely clear on

6:51

that point. Yeah, I'm an absolutist

6:53

when it comes to Trump. Okay,

6:55

and that's the good thing about

6:58

this podcast is that we we

7:00

have people like Sarah Monk, but

7:02

we also have people like Trump.

7:04

We have Trump himself. Yeah, we

7:06

had him on. Yeah, and he

7:08

was very reasonable, very interesting, quite

7:10

witty, I thought. So

7:13

we've also, because it

7:15

was Easter and it all got a bit mad

7:17

and you run well, but

7:20

we've decided to revisit and

7:22

look back through episodes. And it's

7:24

funny when we do that

7:26

because we're coming up to the

7:28

500, no, what is it,

7:30

500th episode later? And it's our

7:32

fifth year anniversary. So

7:34

we look back and there's

7:36

just a lot, a

7:38

lot of episodes. And you

7:40

really forget some of them. I'd go back

7:42

and I look and I was suddenly looking, I

7:45

thought, oh, Mark Thomas,

7:47

he was very interesting, but we did

7:49

that. During lockdown, didn't we? Yeah,

7:51

think so. I think

7:53

it was like the end

7:55

of 2020. It was

7:57

recorded. And then it

8:00

went out at the beginning of 2021. Right.

8:03

So it was that leading up to

8:05

that Christmas when everything was... Yeah. Yeah. When

8:08

you couldn't... Suddenly you weren't sure if you could go

8:11

out and then you... could go out a bit, and

8:13

then you weren't allowed to go out at all. None

8:15

of us were allowed to gather for Christmas, which

8:17

is a real pain. But not that

8:19

we talk about that a lot, but we do

8:21

talk a bit about lockdown. But

8:23

he's just... He's an

8:25

extraordinary man, isn't he, Mark

8:27

Thomas? He just

8:29

talks at his incredibly

8:32

entertaining in everything he

8:34

says. They're

8:36

sort of stories in it. They

8:38

suddenly pop up. As he's

8:40

talking, he just talks about going out, going

8:42

for walks, I think as part of the

8:44

lockdown in the evening, you could go out

8:46

for a walk. And

8:48

him, except

8:50

my microphone's going fish, fish. Are

8:53

you going to fish, fish it off? I'll

8:55

fish, fish it off, I'll give it a whack. Good. I'm

8:59

technically skillful as that. But

9:01

he talks about going for a

9:03

walk and the two types of

9:06

holly trees, that they're a

9:08

female and male. And he calls the female

9:10

ones, the ones with the berries, Molly.

9:13

And the male ones,

9:15

Buddy. Yeah. Buddy and

9:17

Molly. And he goes along spotting them. I

9:20

don't know why would you bring that up

9:22

on a podcast, but it's really entertaining. He

9:24

does it again and again and again. He

9:26

just suddenly goes off of these fantastic tangents,

9:28

which in a way is what he does

9:30

in his stand up. Anyway,

9:32

I think it's we found about half an

9:35

hour of material that we've taken out. I

9:37

don't really know what. It must

9:39

have I think it's because

9:41

we were new to it, John, and

9:43

we didn't know how long the podcast should

9:45

be. And we thought, well, my God,

9:47

this is an hour and a half of

9:49

him just talking. Is that

9:51

too much? Yeah,

9:53

I just... We're going through it. I

9:55

just thought... I wasn't Yeah, I mean,

9:57

I went... It says unedited, and it is

10:00

unedited. There were some pauses taken out

10:02

and bits because, you know... He's a

10:04

couple of times sat there thinking for 30

10:06

seconds and you don't want no one

10:08

wants to listen to that. But also like

10:10

when he left the room a couple

10:12

of times that lasted longer. So they

10:14

said it's like that. Yeah. But

10:16

so it's just been tidied up really

10:18

rather than the conversation. But I just

10:20

went through it and went, this is

10:23

all fine. I don't know what would

10:25

have taken out. Yeah. I

10:27

don't know. I don't even know what we took

10:29

out. I don't

10:31

know. It's an interesting thing to

10:33

explore. There are other episodes

10:35

like that. I wonder how much

10:37

we took out of John

10:39

Ronson. And I don't remember

10:41

at the time, but, you know,

10:43

he was another person who can just

10:45

talk. Yeah, I don't know. I

10:47

don't think there's much with him. No,

10:50

I think maybe a little better. bit later.

10:53

Yeah, he was. And I

10:55

think, yeah, I don't know. Don't

10:58

know. Anyway, Mark

11:00

Thomas and Sam Nicarisi. Two

11:02

really interesting guests, I thought. So

11:05

what we're going to do for

11:07

the anniversary, John? We

11:10

shall see. We shall see. We

11:12

shall see. We haven't thought of anything yet, have we?

11:14

And it's only in a few days' time. I

11:16

will think of something. We'll think

11:19

of something. Would

11:21

you email? I can't think of anything. Do

11:24

you want some emails? I'd love some

11:26

emails because you need to go and have

11:28

a lie down, don't you? Yeah.

11:32

Yeah. Right. This

11:34

is from Adam Henley. Guys,

11:38

I'm now just a week

11:40

away from running the London

11:42

Marathon for Alchemist Research and

11:44

Slimming World. Yes. The past

11:46

17 weeks, I've had the pleasure of listening

11:48

to a number of older episodes to distract

11:50

me on my long runs. I'm

11:52

now less than 30 episodes

11:54

away from being fully caught up.

11:57

Wow. That's a lot. They

11:59

recently reached my fundraising target of

12:02

£2 ,000, which takes the pressure

12:04

off, as well as meaning that

12:06

I can enjoy the day more. There

12:09

we go. It's a brilliant

12:11

thing. £2 ,000 is a lot

12:13

of sponsorship. It's

12:15

fabulous, I think. Yeah, he's

12:17

gone over it. But it's still available for more.

12:19

I mean, there are links, aren't there? We could

12:21

put a link with this, John. Yeah, I will. He's

12:24

added the link, so I

12:26

will. And he's now on

12:28

2287. Brilliant. Well

12:31

done. Brilliant. And good luck for the

12:33

run. Yeah, it's a long

12:35

way. Don't hit the wall. Take your

12:37

time. My son is

12:40

running one as well with

12:42

their school. It's not

12:44

the full 25 miles.

12:48

But I think they're doing two and a half K. But

12:51

they go a little bit of it and

12:53

they run down the mouth at the finish, you

12:55

know, saying... Really? Yeah. Oh,

12:57

that's brilliant. He's

12:59

doing it this lovely. Oh,

13:02

how exciting. Yeah. When

13:04

might go and watch, is that? All right.

13:07

I've just completely forgotten about

13:09

it. Until then, could you...

13:12

I'd like to go and

13:14

see that. I think that's

13:16

a fantastic thing. Yeah. That's

13:19

what they do it. Because the

13:21

mall's closed off that day, is it?

13:23

Yeah, I think it's a marathon

13:25

on a Sunday. It is on Sunday,

13:27

yeah. And then on the Saturday when it's all like, they

13:29

do have a little bits, including this

13:31

for a kid's one. Well,

13:34

the mall is often closed off.

13:36

You often see tourists wandering down

13:38

the middle towards and taking their

13:40

photographs, which is a good

13:43

idea, I think. because you also see

13:45

tourists standing in the middle of

13:47

the road, having to photograph taken with

13:49

bucking in pallets behind them, with

13:51

cars coming towards them at great speed.

13:54

So, yeah. Yes.

13:56

I finished. I finished talking. Good.

13:59

Well, I was just teeing up the next email. It's

14:02

just from Cornish

14:04

Daringfewins. Lovely. He

14:06

says, dear my time capsule

14:08

podcaster. The man who keeps chat

14:10

GTP going. What is it?

14:12

Man who keeps AI in in

14:14

business. Yeah. Yeah He

14:17

says that's on

14:19

the Avenue 5th

14:21

Avenue the photographers

14:23

will snap us

14:25

and you'll find

14:27

that you're in

14:29

the Guadal roto

14:31

grab you That's

14:33

French John And

14:35

what is that?

14:37

That's from Easter

14:39

bonnet In Easter

14:41

Parade, John. Yes.

14:44

I think in the film sung

14:46

by Judy Garland, but also

14:49

possibly Fred Astaire. Is he in

14:51

that film? Well,

14:53

he says, I've just finished watching

14:55

Easter Parade for the umpteenth

14:57

time. What great dancers

14:59

Garland and of course Astaire

15:01

were. Yeah. Yeah,

15:03

so I'm right. Yes. Fantastic.

15:07

Fantastic. Do they do... I

15:09

can't think of whilst

15:11

they were doing this and

15:13

they must do We're

15:16

a couple of swells We

15:18

stop at the best

15:20

hotels But we prefer the

15:22

country far away from

15:24

the city Smells... Any song

15:27

that goes... It's a

15:29

brilliant one, I think And

15:31

they also sing in

15:33

that song I

15:35

love a piano, an old piano,

15:38

I love to hear somebody play

15:40

upon a piano, the old

15:42

piano. It's just got a brilliant

15:44

rhyme in it. I

15:48

can't remember what it is. I'd

15:50

have to sing right through it.

15:56

It's a fine way

15:58

to play a

16:00

Steinway. But

16:03

there's Pat Arouski comes to play. I

16:05

can't remember. It's an amazing rhyme with

16:07

a Russian name in it at one

16:09

point. I

16:15

don't know if that's

16:17

from that film or

16:19

whether they did another

16:21

film together. Let me

16:23

know if you know.

16:26

I'm not in the world of Google. I

16:28

can't look it up. I won't look

16:30

it up. I just go from

16:32

my memory. Well, he

16:34

has a question, which is, which

16:36

for my time capsule guests would

16:38

make your perfect dancing partners and

16:41

who would be the best left

16:43

as a warflower? Also, which dance

16:45

would you perform with which guest?

16:50

Well, none of

16:52

us would be very good at

16:54

dancing, I don't think. None

16:56

of us? None of us.

16:58

Me or the guests. What

17:01

about our dance, the guests? I

17:03

mean, the guests, well, I'd say the

17:05

guests who I would like to dance

17:07

with, who hopefully would give me the

17:09

time to try and be almost as

17:11

good as them, would

17:14

be the astonishing

17:16

Bonnie Langford. Yeah.

17:19

Who still, she must

17:21

be 60. And

17:23

even older, I

17:25

think, probably. And

17:28

last week, She

17:30

flew to New York

17:32

and performed from

17:34

Sweeney Todd. Yes, Sweeney

17:36

Todd. She played

17:38

the female role in

17:40

it, whatever the

17:42

character is, who makes the pies. She

17:45

performed that on Broadway as

17:47

an understudy, because they ran out

17:49

of understudies to do it.

17:51

And the person who was playing

17:53

it, it's a famous American

17:55

person, became ill. And they

17:58

rang Bonnie and said, could you come

18:00

over and cover for her? And she

18:02

went, yeah, sure. So she

18:04

just flew over and did it. Wow. I

18:07

know. I know. I

18:09

think it was in the Sondheim

18:11

shows. I don't think it was

18:13

the entire performance, but she still

18:15

did this big section from it.

18:17

And she's an absolutely amazing Bonnie

18:20

Langford. She can do anything.

18:22

And she's a brilliant dancer. Well,

18:26

she won the Masked

18:28

Dancer. Oh, did she?

18:30

Yes. Well, that doesn't surprise

18:32

me all. I think it only lasted

18:34

one series because they realised that... They used

18:36

the best person. Well, unlike the singing,

18:38

you can't... How on earth are you going

18:40

to guess who... Who's doing the dancing?

18:42

This is really bad. And they say, is

18:44

that Mike Fenton Stevens? Yeah, just people

18:46

in the mask. How are you ever going

18:49

to guess who they are? You can't.

18:51

She can't, though. Anyway, so she won that.

18:53

And they all went, I can't believe

18:55

it, you're so old. But

18:59

what about doing some

19:01

sort of foxtrot with Anton

19:03

Dubeck? Yeah, that'd

19:06

be nice. I'd like to do

19:08

a soft shoe shuffle, you

19:10

know, I'd like to do

19:12

one of those sort of

19:14

songs. Just

19:21

a little, little bits of tap in

19:23

it. Enough that I could learn

19:25

it. You know, if you gave me two

19:28

or three weeks of rehearsals with Antoine du

19:30

Bec, where, you know, although

19:32

we did talk about on the podcast

19:34

doing that, him doing the routine that Fred

19:36

Astaire does with the golf balls. I

19:38

wonder if he ever did that idea. He'd

19:41

be absolutely great at it. Perhaps

19:44

he can't tap. Perhaps he can't tap. He's

19:46

a ballroom dancer. Imagine.

19:49

No. Imagine if I could tap

19:51

dance better than Anton Dubic. Yep,

19:53

you can't. Yeah, I would like

19:55

to dance with Caroline Quentin. She

19:58

was on Strictly, so she knows everything. She

20:00

was on Strictly, so she knows lots of Strictly

20:02

people, haven't we? We're including one of the

20:04

professional dancers from Strictly, Robin Windsor, who

20:06

is, unfortunately, no longer with us. No,

20:08

sweet, sweet man. Sweet man,

20:11

great dancer. Yeah,

20:13

fantastic dancer. They're all

20:15

amazing, really. Yeah, I

20:18

think that would be... would just about cover

20:20

it. Anybody here you wouldn't want to dance

20:22

with? Yep. Clive

20:25

Mantle. Yeah. From

20:27

our guests, yeah. Clive Mantle.

20:29

Just too tall. Too tall. It

20:32

just wouldn't work. It would look silly

20:34

as a pairing. Yeah. OK.

20:37

Thank you. Love the show,

20:39

Cornish Darren -Fuens. P .S. Happy

20:41

birthday to Fred's mum, dad

20:44

and his 362 otters. Yes.

20:48

Happy birthday. Right,

20:51

this is... Thanks, Darren. An email

20:53

from Kev Smith. Lovely. 1954,

20:55

my favourite year. Dear

20:57

My Time Catcher podcast at gmo.com,

20:59

that's... And now the purple

21:02

desk of twilight time steals across

21:04

the meadows of my heart,

21:06

high up in the sky, the

21:08

little stars climb, or

21:10

always reminding me that we're

21:12

apart, at

21:14

gmo.com. Another...

21:19

Is it that? It might be

21:21

the way you just sung that. I mean, I don't know

21:23

this, but I looked it up and the way you

21:26

did that... Yeah, that's what it is. It's a neck and

21:28

a cold. Yeah. Yeah. It's

21:30

that one. What's the

21:32

title of the song? Stardust.

21:36

Stardust. Yeah. Lovely

21:41

song. Amazing song. Do you know,

21:43

actually, it's only Stardust.

21:45

It's only the introduction to

21:47

another song. Oh. It

21:51

goes... And

22:11

I am once again

22:13

with you. Beautiful

22:15

song. Well, thank

22:17

you. That's all right.

22:19

He goes on to say, I watched

22:21

my favorite year. I

22:23

really enjoyed it. It's really good,

22:25

isn't it? I told you. Well

22:28

done, Kev. I'm glad one

22:30

person listens to me. And

22:32

thank you very much for

22:34

Natty's birthday present. He sent

22:36

him a shirt from Irish.

22:39

What's it called? Shinty, is it?

22:42

I don't know. Oh, don't. And now it sounds like a

22:44

fool. John, you're making me sound

22:47

idiotic. I haven't even seen it. I don't even know

22:49

what you're on about. Have you not seen it?

22:51

No. Well, perhaps

22:53

I'll send you a photograph of

22:55

it. OK. It's

22:57

lovely. I'm very pleased with it.

23:00

He says about my favorite year.

23:02

I really enjoyed it. A delightful

23:04

comedy which brought tears of laughter

23:06

and sadness. O'Toole was

23:08

amazing. The rest room scene

23:11

with Selena Diamond was pure

23:13

genius. Also, Thorke Mark,

23:15

Mark Lin Baker was wonderful

23:17

as the young comedy writer

23:19

tasked with the thankless task

23:21

of trying to keep him

23:23

sober. Wasn't he just? I

23:26

mean, it's full of

23:28

the most fantastic performances. His

23:31

parents in it are just

23:33

this fantastic Jewish family that... They

23:35

invited me in and they

23:37

start calling him by his first

23:39

name. Ma, ma, don't do,

23:41

ma. Call him

23:43

Mr. Swan. Hey, Alan,

23:45

Alan, sit down, have

23:47

some food. It's just,

23:49

oh, it's God, it's an amazing film. I

23:52

just want to spend

23:54

that weekend with those people.

23:57

It's a character who doesn't talk all the

24:00

way through. Just there's one thing right at

24:02

the end, one of the writers, all he

24:04

ever does. is he sits there with a

24:06

notepad like that and then he leans over

24:08

and he whispers in the person's ear and

24:10

the person then laughs and tells the joke. Is

24:13

he a bear? Is that where

24:15

Sooty comes from? Probably

24:17

from Sweep, yeah. Sooty

24:20

and Sweep. Although the other man doesn't

24:22

squeak. Okay. Okay.

24:24

He says, my question is,

24:26

Mike has appeared on

24:28

TV, movies and on stage,

24:30

which actors, entertainians, entertainians? Sorry.

24:35

I say that again. Which actors,

24:37

entertainians, comedians or musicianians would

24:39

you love to have worked

24:41

with that never got the

24:43

opportunity, either because they were

24:45

before your time or because

24:47

it just never happened? Oh,

24:50

it's endless, isn't it? It's

24:52

endless. I sometimes forget the people

24:54

I have worked with, who I then people

24:56

mentioned, I go, yeah, I work with them. And

24:59

then you go, wow, that's pretty

25:01

amazing. Jimmy

25:03

Tarbuck, I did a radio play

25:06

with Jimmy Tarbuck. And he'd never

25:08

done a radio play before. And

25:10

he turned up and he was

25:12

very nervous. And he was

25:14

very sort of apologetic. I'm so

25:16

sorry, lads. Sorry. Sorry, everyone. I'm rubbish

25:18

at this. I'm terrible. And

25:20

he wasn't. He was really, really good. And

25:22

he'd done such a lot of work to

25:25

prepare for it and everything. He thought, so well,

25:27

that's why he's had such a successful career

25:29

for all those years. I

25:31

had once auditioned the first

25:34

time I auditioned for pantomime, and

25:36

I didn't audition again for

25:38

another 20 years, really. So I

25:40

was in my early 20s,

25:42

and I auditioned for pantomime at

25:44

the Churchill Theatre, Bromley, and

25:47

it would have been with Ronnie Corbett. So

25:50

I would have been playing the

25:52

young comic part, the sort of

25:54

run -around, fall -over, trip -up sort

25:56

of comedy part, and he would

25:58

have been playing Dame. And

26:02

he auditioned me. We

26:04

had a fantastic time. We laughed a

26:07

lot. I made him laugh a lot. And

26:09

he was so delightful. And

26:12

then the producers decided I didn't have

26:14

enough experience. So I

26:16

didn't get it. So

26:19

that would have been absolutely

26:21

fabulous, I think. Because everybody

26:23

says that he was a joy to

26:25

work with. So, apart

26:27

from all these enormous,

26:29

great, fantastic stars that

26:31

anybody would want to

26:33

work with, I

26:35

have worked with some extraordinary people over

26:37

the years, particularly when I

26:39

was young, usually when you don't

26:42

really recognise the fact that you're

26:44

working with someone who has done

26:46

amazing things. Rather

26:48

like all those young people who worked with

26:50

me in Wicked, John, who had no idea

26:52

that I was at all talented. They

26:54

all discover one day when they

26:57

look back. But there

26:59

we are. Perhaps because I'm not.

27:02

Anyway, that's the answer to that, Kev.

27:05

I know. Now when they meet

27:07

up, they're like, you did, you

27:09

know. But he sang the chicken

27:11

song. And they'll say,

27:13

what's that? I can't believe it. Why didn't

27:15

they sing it for us? Why

27:17

didn't they tell us? If only we'd known.

27:19

That did, I mean, right, I think in

27:22

the very last week of doing it, even

27:24

though you have a, your CV

27:26

basically in the program, because they

27:28

say, you know, all the things

27:30

you've done. So it had

27:32

this, I was always amazed

27:34

that nobody had read it because

27:36

one of the ensemble suddenly

27:39

went to me, I was,

27:41

I was watching my favourite,

27:43

my absolute favourite person yesterday. Lee

27:45

Evans, he did a series for the BBC. He

27:48

said, you were in it. I

27:50

mean, yeah, I know. Yeah,

27:53

I know it was. Me

27:55

and Domidja Leely. And

27:57

he went, I know. I

27:59

had to look twice. And I thought, well, what

28:01

do you think I've been doing for the

28:03

last bloody 40 years? Honestly, there

28:06

you are. It was a shame

28:08

that in that programme it didn't

28:10

say... the host of successful podcasts,

28:13

this. Oh, that's true, yes. Because imagine all the

28:15

thousands of people that looked at that program and

28:17

looked at your little bit and they would have

28:19

gone, oh, I love a little bit of that. Well,

28:22

that's free advertising. Yeah, that may

28:24

be my fault. Yeah. Yeah,

28:26

probably is. Don't

28:28

put that in ashamed. I'm ashamed

28:30

of it. No, just, you

28:32

know, I think

28:34

I printed it up from something I

28:36

had on a computer and that'll

28:38

do. And then they went, do you

28:41

want to edit it? And I went, oh, God, there's

28:43

loads of things I haven't put in here. Have

28:46

I got more room? And I did. But the

28:48

one thing I didn't do was the thing that I

28:50

do most of the time, which is this. And

28:53

talking of doing this, I've

28:55

got to go to the dump. I

28:58

don't think we need to know about that. No,

29:00

no, no. I've got to take the

29:02

car to the dump and get rid of

29:04

a hedge. that I dug

29:06

out yesterday. I dug out

29:08

an entire hedge because it's made

29:11

of box. And you

29:13

can't really keep box alive anymore in

29:15

this country, it seems to me. Certainly

29:17

not down in Kent. There's

29:19

so many box... Well, they

29:21

could box moths. And

29:24

they just... There's box. There's

29:26

box. Right. I didn't

29:28

want to spray it and

29:30

kill all the caterpillars, it seemed

29:32

unfair. So we dug it

29:34

out and then I put all

29:37

the stuff into, put stuff

29:39

into sort of a black bin,

29:41

but there's loads left. And

29:43

then my wife said, have you

29:46

seen the black bin? And I said,

29:48

no. And we went out and

29:50

looked and it was absolutely covered in

29:52

little caterpillars or crawling down the

29:54

side. I tried to find another box

29:56

hedge. Before

29:58

you go for a dump, let

30:01

me just let me just

30:03

finish off this email and

30:05

then the next bit. Okay.

30:07

Yes, I think chat gtp

30:09

image generator is being used

30:11

by some of the groovy

30:13

gang to create those yucky

30:15

doll images You both know

30:17

who you are And I

30:20

know where you live. If

30:22

another film is ever made in the

30:24

franchise of The Conjuring, the casting director

30:26

and producers will have no problem finding

30:28

the horrible, evil looking dolls. My

30:30

doll could have been used in the Chucky

30:32

movies. Have a great

30:34

weekend, Kev. Thanks, Kev. There's

30:37

a second demo from Kev. Oh.

30:39

Which I will answer.

30:41

OK. Dear Mr. John

30:43

Fenton Stevens and dear Mr.

30:46

Mike Fenton Stevens, full names

30:48

being given. I

30:50

was wondering, why did Sam Nicaresti's

30:52

recording not have an episode

30:54

number with it? Could I have

30:56

a formal written reply? Yes,

30:58

I was wondering then. Or just tell me

31:00

to fuck off. Anyway, have a

31:02

great week, great week, Kev. Well,

31:04

this is not a formal written reply.

31:06

This is even better. This is

31:08

a personal out loud reply. And

31:12

the reason, there is

31:14

a very specific reason why

31:16

there wasn't a number for that.

31:19

episode. And it's that

31:21

I forgot to do it. Right.

31:23

And then when you sent the

31:25

email, I went, what? Oh, and I

31:28

checked it and said, oh, yeah,

31:30

it doesn't say ep 400 and whatever.

31:32

It just says, sound a carestic.

31:34

So I changed it and it should

31:36

be there now. Right,

31:38

that's good. Otherwise, we'd,

31:40

we'd reach episode 400

31:43

rather late. Yeah.

31:46

People would notice. And

31:48

we were on episode

31:50

485. 485 is

31:53

Mark Thomas. 15 to go to 500. Yeah.

31:56

Oh, my God. So, yeah, now I've

31:58

changed that. Thanks. Thanks, Kev. I just

32:00

don't know I was doing. Just forgot. OK.

32:03

That's always... If there's ever problems

32:05

like that you any problems the answer

32:07

is very very likely to be

32:09

just... I didn't do it. Just forgot

32:11

to do it. I forgot. Yeah.

32:14

as professionals, we appear

32:17

We're just human. can

32:19

make mistakes It

32:21

is possible. sacked. John, you're

32:23

sacked. Right. I'm off to

32:25

the loo. I I mean the dump.

32:27

Okay. I'll see you soon everyone. Bye Bye

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