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Hey, I'm Justin Ruffles from

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Moscow, Tennessee. What got me to save

0:36

with Conrad was the 83 weeks podcast. I

0:39

really wasn't thinking about getting rid of any

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in the house to do remodeling. But I

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did both, so that was pretty awesome. Worked out

0:47

great. We redid the foyer, built

0:49

pantry space, and there's like little eyes and ends

0:51

when I first bought the house that I wanted

0:53

to take care of, and we were able to

0:55

take care of it. So, yeah, paid off two

0:58

cars and some credit card debts, so probably all

1:00

in all, $30 ,000 in that, and then I got

1:02

some $30 ,000 more equity out of the house, and

1:04

got so plenty of equity left over. So, hey,

1:06

it looks good. I lowered my interest rate. I know

1:08

a much better spot than I was. Super

1:10

easy. Everybody is great. Very,

1:13

very awesome people. Francis and Steve

1:15

were great to work with. They

1:17

were awesome. They made it through

1:19

a very easy, seamless experience. I'd

1:22

probably say all in all, by a thousand

1:24

a month at least, I'm lowered my interest rate,

1:26

especially the way the interest rates are right

1:28

now, which is, you know, that's amazing. I'm

1:31

Justin Brucken from Knoxville, Tennessee. I saved over

1:33

a thousand dollars to save with Conrad.com.

1:35

And I needed a lot of renovations

1:37

with that money as well. Hey,

1:53

hey, it's Conrad Thompson and you're listening to

1:56

My World. And of course, we couldn't

1:58

do it without the Hall of Famer, the

2:00

greatest professional wrestler of all time,

2:02

your friend in mind, double J,

2:04

Jeff Jarrett. Jeff, how are you, man?

2:06

Oh, Connie, I wish we would have

2:08

started rolling just about, I don't know,

2:10

a couple of minutes earlier where you

2:12

were just dog casts and our producer

2:14

extraordinaire, Dave Silva. He's just on top

2:16

of things as we get into this

2:18

episode. He's so engaged. He's so enthralled.

2:21

We're going to have a lot of

2:23

fun today, Conrad, regardless of Silva's awake, asleep,

2:26

got anything prepared for today, any

2:28

notes, any graphics, any images. We're

2:30

going to get this done one

2:32

way or another because it is

2:34

beautiful outside here, Conrad. Wonderful

2:36

weekend. First day on the

2:39

lake was a Saturday afternoon,

2:41

Conrad. It was beautiful. I don't know

2:43

how your neck of the woods is going, but probably

2:46

wishing you were down at the beach, but you're

2:48

not. You're sitting here talking to me. We're doing my

2:50

world. We're going to have a lot of fun. A

2:53

lot of news going on, pal. There's

2:55

always some fun news. So what you

2:57

got on your mind today on this

2:59

episode of My World. As

3:01

we're recording, it's Monday morning,

3:03

April 28th, and earlier this morning,

3:05

Hulk Kogan and Eric Bischoff

3:07

dropped a video that's got the

3:09

entire wrestling world talking. Jeff,

3:12

I know you get up and you're a

3:14

man of routines and you've got your day structured.

3:16

So you may have missed this this morning.

3:18

So I thought we'd just play a little clip

3:20

here and let you react to it. See

3:22

what you think. Alright. Why

3:29

so serious?

3:33

Because you know who I am. What?

3:37

You don't know why he's here. This

3:41

is so badass.

3:44

Like you people know who we are.

3:47

You have no

3:49

idea what

3:51

we're about. We're

3:54

back, monster.

3:57

We are so back.

4:00

It's just so, so

4:02

better than before. It

4:04

is so... I stand

4:06

not to leave you.

4:08

Oh, it's been too

4:10

long. You know, I love you the

4:12

most. No, I

4:15

love you the most. You are

4:17

my most favorite of all. But

4:20

you know, we've

4:22

manned so hard. We

4:24

changed the world one time.

4:27

But now, we're here to wake him

4:29

up. We're here to slice

4:31

and dice the world of

4:34

wrestling. and you're not going to

4:36

know what hit you. You

4:38

know we've changed the world of

4:40

professional wrestling. That's

4:42

a given. Anybody.

4:46

It's going to rock your world.

4:48

Should we tell him? Should

4:50

we tell him who he is?

4:55

Should we talk about his

4:57

credentials? Should we talk about

4:59

all of his championships? Should

5:01

we talk about the

5:04

world -class athletes? that he

5:06

has brought to the fairy top of this world. Should

5:08

we talk about that? No.

5:13

Not yet, not yet, not yet.

5:15

But do stay tuned, because when

5:17

we do announce our third man,

5:19

it's going to rock your world.

5:21

Oh, he's a badass too. He's

5:24

a real, real

5:26

badass. We're

5:29

back. We're better than

5:31

ever. And you can't wait to

5:33

see. And we're coming to catch you. I

5:36

think they're all coming back to outside.

5:39

I know it. I can feel it.

5:41

I can smell it. I can

5:43

see it. So,

5:48

Jeff, the entire wrestling world

5:50

is wondering, what the

5:52

hell's going on? What do you make

5:54

of the Hulkster and Eric Bischoff's new

5:57

black and white NWO inspired video? To

6:00

say the least, NWO inspired and they've

6:02

teed it up for the third man. Wow.

6:06

Okay, Conrad. My

6:08

immediate reaction is, you know,

6:10

when they teased back in

6:12

the day and shook the

6:14

wrestling world, the third man

6:16

was Hulk. And

6:19

it was shocking. Nobody

6:22

saw it coming. Obviously,

6:25

a different time, different era.

6:28

There was a lot of groundwork

6:30

played in, Connie, in

6:32

the fact that Nitro... Just

6:35

all the factors and layers in, we don't

6:37

need to get out of that. They better deliver

6:39

with the third man. It certainly got intrigued. Those

6:42

guys have worked together 30

6:44

years now. So

6:46

they've got, they definitely, and it'll

6:49

be fun to see kind of

6:51

the amount of impressions that first

6:53

24 hours and then however long

6:55

they roll it out, but nice

6:57

teaser. I'll say that, nice teaser.

7:01

Curious to see what's next, man. That's

7:06

it. Just obviously well produced.

7:08

In any wrestling fan, that's another

7:10

thing that, you know, advertising, marketing, they

7:13

know the vibe. They know,

7:15

but they better deliver with

7:18

that third man in a

7:20

big way because that kind

7:22

of, how do you follow

7:24

delivering with Hulk in a third man?

7:26

But it's got it intriguing and where it's

7:28

going to go because, you know, there'll

7:30

be, oh man, I bet the comments. Wherever

7:32

they post this is going to be

7:34

interesting. Oh, there's so many comments. I just

7:36

go ahead and say. I've

7:38

been peppered all morning. People think that

7:40

I'm the third man and that they're starting

7:42

a podcast and this is podcast related.

7:44

I'm not doing a podcast with Hulk Hogan.

7:46

I do a podcast with Eric Bischoff

7:49

every week called 83 weeks. I am not

7:51

the third man. I've seen other people

7:53

saying, oh, it's Vince and other people are

7:55

like, I mean, even. Aaron Sheen, who's

7:57

a part of our live studio audience. He

7:59

says, I'm not the biggest Eric and

8:01

Hulk fan, but this has me intrigued. So

8:04

that lets me know, hey, they've done a good

8:06

job. Like I think from a movie trailer perspective,

8:09

the most effective trailers are the ones that I

8:11

would say set the hook where I watch

8:13

it and I say, hey, what happens next? Like

8:16

if you can leave me some sort

8:18

of a cliffhanger, I'm more inclined to want

8:20

to see what's next. And I think

8:22

everybody is paying attention. I guess, Jeff, I

8:24

just want to find out. Are you

8:26

being obtuse? Are you starting a wrestling company

8:28

with Hulk Hogan? I can assure you

8:30

that's funny. So you're getting named in the,

8:32

you and Vince are getting named in

8:34

this. And those two, I guess I would

8:36

have thought about it. It might go,

8:38

I'm trying to think, it's

8:41

obviously those two guys together,

8:43

they're not stepping back in

8:45

the ring. They're not stepping

8:47

on AEW, WWE, Impact, DNA, Japan.

8:50

They're not stepping, quote unquote, in

8:52

a professional wrestling ring, so to

8:54

speak, as talent. So it's a

8:56

business venture. Anyway, it's got us

8:58

talking. I didn't... I

9:00

just candidly didn't even put you

9:02

guys in it, but they

9:04

better deliver. They

9:06

better deliver on the third man,

9:08

but it's definitely got a good

9:10

buzz and vibe. It'll be cool

9:12

to see, like I said, how

9:15

many impressions and just where it goes

9:17

from here. But I love a good

9:19

tee -up. I mean, it's this day

9:21

and age... You know, we've talked about

9:23

multiple times, different ways to do it.

9:26

Oh, Donald Miller and Storybrand and there's

9:28

several others. It's, it's that route

9:30

that, man, if you don't engage him

9:32

with the story. Game

9:34

set match, it's over and they've started their

9:36

story. Good for them. Did you

9:38

find Don Miller just because he's local to your area

9:40

or did you just find him on your own? And

9:42

then we're kind of shocked that he was in your

9:44

area. We'll

9:51

move on. Hey, let's talk a

9:53

little bit about Jeff Hardy. Somebody sent

9:55

me a social media clip of

9:57

him and said, Hey, I've

9:59

gone through this class. Are you interested?

10:01

And I went and had lunch and that's

10:03

how it was discussed. Yeah. I don't

10:05

know. That's funny. You call that back. And

10:07

then yes, I was shocked that he's

10:09

in middle Tennessee. He's like right up the

10:11

road from me. Oh yeah. Yeah. Very

10:13

good teacher. Very, you know,

10:15

and there's multiple ways, but I'm

10:17

giving it a plug. The

10:20

bookstore brand is very, very simple.

10:22

But boy, if you're into

10:24

marketing or professional wrestling

10:26

or selling anything, pick

10:29

the book up. It's

10:31

fantastic. You know, what it does is it

10:34

teaches you, you know, how to allow your

10:36

customer to be the hero of their own

10:38

story and you're going to sort of guide

10:40

them along. But he also teaches

10:42

you the mechanics of basic storytelling and

10:44

it's probably something that Jeff. And you listen

10:46

to us are very familiar with because

10:48

we all accidentally wind up thinking about story

10:50

and talking about story when it comes

10:52

to the confines of professional wrestling. So when

10:54

you understand that structure, you see things

10:57

coming. You can start a movie and look

10:59

at your life and say, okay, here's

11:01

what's going to happen. And you just kind

11:03

of know right away, right? But it

11:05

engages you. I just think that the professional

11:07

wrestling is so look, I had a

11:09

couple of guys. I don't, you don't even

11:11

know this kind of rap, but. Independent

11:14

wrestlers that I've met through the, you

11:16

know, over the last couple of years

11:18

and my emails out there and they

11:20

emailed me and, hey, got any advice?

11:22

And both guys, because they're trying to

11:24

figure out their character, you know, they've

11:26

been wrestling three years and five years.

11:29

And I said, if you really,

11:31

really want my advice, go

11:33

read this book and get back

11:35

with me. It will kind of help

11:37

you understand a couple of things.

11:40

Uh, but yeah. And then they

11:42

did. They emailed back and I said, do

11:44

you understand the concept now that you have

11:46

to invite your fan base into your story?

11:48

They got it. So it's

11:50

very cool. I like to

11:52

give the analogy of talent

11:54

and be relatable to that

11:56

kind of stuff. I

11:59

don't think that Brian Danielson is going to be

12:01

the third man for Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan.

12:03

He's actually got a quote I wanted to share

12:05

with you that I don't know that you saw,

12:07

but I saw it over the weekend and thought,

12:09

hey, this is worth bringing up to Jeff because

12:11

I know what high regard you hold him in.

12:14

He was recently interviewed about what's next

12:16

for him. He

12:19

says, my neck is wrecked, so

12:21

it's not no chance, but it's

12:23

risk versus reward at this point, right?

12:26

So I want to be able to live comfortably

12:28

with my wife and kids. One

12:30

of the things our society has a

12:32

real problem with is realizing when enough

12:34

is enough. I'm very

12:36

satisfied with my career. I

12:39

think enough is enough. This

12:42

is kind of refreshing to see

12:44

in wrestling. You almost never see this.

12:46

And of course, listen, we've heard this

12:48

sort of speak before and then

12:50

they still come back. I don't think

12:52

that Brian Danielson has wrestled his

12:54

last match ever. But clearly him

12:57

saying enough is enough is in

12:59

regards to him being a more full

13:01

-time wrestler. And I understand that full

13:03

-time today means something totally different than

13:05

it did five years ago or

13:07

certainly 15 years ago. But

13:09

what do you make of this

13:11

statement from Brian Danielson? Enough is enough.

13:13

Man, I am so jaded these

13:15

days, Conrad. And I see stuff because

13:17

I've made it ago. Was

13:19

this a podcast? Was this a radio

13:21

interview? Who's the host drill down

13:23

because context is keen. It's and I

13:26

look again. This is me being

13:28

cynical. Jeff was were they leading the

13:30

witness all that kind of stuff,

13:32

but I'm going to take it at

13:34

face value for the my world

13:36

listeners and say, yes, I and I

13:38

felt right. And last time I

13:41

saw him was that was have I

13:43

seen him since LA? Maybe

13:45

I have. You

13:47

just kind of look at that

13:49

Wimbly. story,

13:52

going back to story and

13:54

him winning it there and then,

13:56

you know, going down the

13:59

road with his hometown just miles

14:01

away where the last time

14:03

he was in the ring and

14:05

he did Mr. Moxley a

14:07

solid, if you will. That's

14:10

kind of Brian. Brian is unique. He's

14:12

different all in a very positive way.

14:15

Conrad, I may... surprise you,

14:17

but in a way, I

14:19

almost can see Brian going, I'm

14:22

done. Like him

14:25

truly not wanting to lace

14:27

up the boots, because when you

14:29

look at his style and

14:31

look, Luthez was a wrestler's wrestler

14:33

and he wrestled, I think,

14:35

into the 70s, if you will.

14:37

So I'm not saying Brian

14:39

couldn't do it, neck injury, neck

14:41

getting back, but I don't

14:43

think he's going to have the

14:45

desire at all. So I

14:47

can almost see Brian truly finished,

14:50

just kind of because of

14:52

his personality makeup, if that

14:54

makes sense. So, man, hats

14:56

off to him. I love

14:58

Brian. I love Brian personally

15:00

and professionally. And I've said

15:03

it multiple times on here. As

15:05

far as in -ring storytelling, he's

15:07

at the very tip top. Tony

15:09

con has come out and said that

15:11

Brian Danielson is still a part of

15:14

the office He's not at all the

15:16

shows every week, but he's still a

15:18

part of AEW. Oh, yeah, if you

15:20

were running a promotion Again, this is

15:22

fantasy booking you're giving the keys and

15:24

you've got a Brian Danielson on your

15:26

roster And he's not going to be

15:28

an in -ring full -time performer, but you

15:30

have him at your disposal Let me

15:33

use a real estate appraisal term What

15:35

would the highest and best use of

15:37

Brian Danielson be, at least in your

15:39

eyes in 2025 for AW? Johnny,

15:43

I have given this more thought

15:45

than you probably would even or

15:47

anyone be aware of. But

15:49

there was a guy named

15:51

Pat Patterson. And if you

15:53

take Pat out of the

15:55

equation of the WWF slash

15:57

WWB, I think we have

16:00

a lot of different looks.

16:03

especially on pay -per -view Sundays, if

16:05

you will. I think the

16:07

highest and best use are, I

16:10

can't say every match, but I

16:12

would say, and

16:14

look, businesses evolves and continues to

16:16

evolve and changes and all

16:18

that, but let's just say your

16:20

top three to four matches

16:22

per show, whether it's dynamite, collision,

16:25

or pay -per -view slash premium live

16:28

event. That's exactly where I'd

16:30

put him, Brian. I want

16:32

you to be in there and not

16:34

just the finish. I'm talking about from

16:36

the time the talent walked through the

16:38

curtain until the time both talents get

16:40

back through the curtain. I

16:42

want you to lay it

16:45

out and rule with an

16:47

iron fist if need be.

16:49

Because Pat did that. Pat

16:51

had a way and very

16:53

engaging in this and that,

16:55

but if he really wanted

16:57

something, he knew he had

16:59

Vince's backing, he got done

17:01

in a big way. And

17:03

you look at Jesus going

17:05

back to the current hitings

17:07

and red hearts and obviously

17:09

Sean. I mean, just through

17:11

the years, when you really

17:14

look at certain, not

17:16

just styles and nuances, but

17:18

really the emotional connectivity that

17:20

Kevin Dunn, Pat Patterson, probably

17:22

worked together as much or

17:24

more from a real Emotional

17:26

engagement what we're selling here

17:29

and I'm saying TV patent

17:31

TV and hey, we need

17:33

this shot. We need this

17:35

shot this timing and they

17:37

it was a real. You

17:39

know, at one time they

17:42

just really created such a

17:44

unique product and I think

17:46

Brian has that skill set

17:48

to. You know,

17:50

I'm not talking about interviews and anything

17:52

I said, I'm talking about Bell to

17:54

Bell stuff. What's the story we want

17:56

to tell because he can tell stories

17:58

and I. with any opponent. I mean,

18:00

that match we had in Winston -Salem, there

18:04

was a very simple

18:07

story, but his concept of

18:09

how to get the

18:11

match over and both opponents

18:13

over is something that

18:16

Lawler taught me, and that

18:18

generation of guys had

18:20

to think through that in

18:22

the weekly or monthly

18:25

mindset and the territories because

18:27

You know, you were in a territory and

18:29

you had to think returns and come

18:32

back and the nuances and, okay, this talent's

18:34

getting beat, but he's going to go

18:36

work with this opponent. You got

18:38

to play chess and really think

18:40

two and three moves down the field

18:42

or two and three weeks or

18:44

two or three premium live events down

18:46

the field. Brian has that kind

18:49

of know -how. If he knows where

18:51

the booker had a creative or whoever

18:53

it may be, if he knows

18:55

where they need to get, Give

18:58

him the reins and let him

19:00

get you there. I

19:03

love the analogy of

19:06

saying Brian Danielson as

19:08

AEW's Pat Patterson. That

19:10

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21:40

Jeff, we're coming off a big TNA

21:42

weekend. I don't know that you had

21:44

a chance to check it out, but

21:47

they had a pretty big crowd at

21:49

their pay -per -view in Los Angeles, California.

21:51

I think it was the Galen Center. TNA

21:54

Rebellion 2025, we

21:56

saw Moose get a win

21:58

over El Hijo de Viqueño and

22:00

Casey Navarro and Leon Slater

22:02

and Matt Cardona and Sidney Akeem.

22:04

That was the ultimate X

22:06

match. Then we saw the

22:08

TNA Knockouts and a World Tag Team

22:11

title four -way match. We saw a

22:13

six -man tag that even had some interference

22:15

from Sean Waltman. Shout out to him,

22:17

friend of the show, and Brian Myers.

22:19

We love us and Brian Myers. The

22:22

international match had your boy, Eric

22:24

Young. Challenging Steve Macklin. Macklin's

22:26

going to retain there. A

22:28

false count anywhere match that people

22:30

absolutely loved. Jeff, the fans

22:32

over at Cage Match on a

22:34

scale of 1 to 10, they

22:37

gave this match with Mike Santana

22:39

and Mustafa Ali 9 .13. That's

22:41

higher than any WrestleMania match. It's the highest

22:43

rating I've seen in a long, long time.

22:46

Took a lot of your way to see Mike

22:48

Santana and Mustafa Ali. We

22:50

saw Slamovich and Tessa Blanchard

22:53

up next. Somehow,

22:55

some way, the Nemeth brothers

22:57

are now the tag champs. They pulled

22:59

off the upset beating the Hardys. That's

23:02

right. The former Dolph Ziggler

23:04

and his brother, Nick and Ryan,

23:06

they're now the TNA World

23:08

Tag Team Champions. At somehow

23:10

some way, Joe Hendry pulled it out.

23:12

He's victorious in a three -way dance

23:14

over Ethan Page and Frankie Kazarian. Trick

23:16

Williams interferes after the fact. So

23:19

by Kingo, Ethan

23:21

Page, Trick Williams. We're

23:24

certainly seeing some WWE influence

23:26

inside of TNA. But

23:28

there were some surprises in there. I

23:30

didn't think going into this that Mike

23:32

Santana, Mustafa Ali would steal the show.

23:34

They exceeded all the expectations. Shout out

23:36

to them. I was kind

23:38

of surprised the Hardys. Didn't

23:41

pick up a win over Nick and

23:43

Ryan. What do you think? And did

23:45

you get a chance to see this pay

23:47

per view? And how is TNA quietly become one

23:49

of the hotter brands right now? Brand is

23:51

hot. No, I didn't get a chance

23:53

to see it. You kind of know my weekend

23:55

a little bit, but it's super busy. But I got

23:57

texts, Connie. Actually,

23:59

my first text came, two

24:01

of them, Saturday, when I

24:03

was out cruising on the water and like, hey, tickets

24:07

have sold very, very well. How about

24:09

that? It was a general guy. It

24:11

was actually someone in the media, if

24:13

you will. And I was, look, when

24:17

wrestling is done well, On

24:20

any level I don't care

24:22

who it is. It's good

24:24

for the industry How about

24:26

the Nemeth brothers being tag champs?

24:28

Obviously the Hardee's are a

24:30

hot ticket there right now,

24:32

so But the heels over heat

24:34

and the excuse me the

24:36

Hardee's chasing in my opinion

24:39

is always bigger box office

24:41

than Hardee's retaining I think that's

24:43

the care is made to

24:45

connect mine. Matt, I just

24:47

think that's in their DNA

24:49

as guys chasing tag belts.

24:51

So when you just kind of

24:53

went down that and I

24:55

knew the house and when

24:57

you go through the different names

25:00

and obviously my history with

25:02

the brand and they're in

25:04

LA and doing those kind

25:06

of numbers. Good

25:08

old wrestling business, Conrad. Seriously,

25:10

we're very happy. Uh, for all

25:12

of those guys that are

25:14

involved from Lynn Asper all the

25:16

way down, hats off. It's

25:19

interesting because they've really done a great

25:21

job. The Andrew Des Clay actually made an

25:23

observation I wanted to bring up to

25:26

you because he tweeted out and I know

25:28

you and I both follow him. TNA

25:30

is this weird thing in pro

25:32

wrestling. They can be selling

25:34

out buildings regularly and still nobody

25:36

gives an F. Weirdest promotion

25:38

there's ever been. If any other

25:41

non WWE slash AEW promotion drew

25:43

a house like they did last

25:45

night, it would be mega news. I

25:48

hate to I want to be clear.

25:50

I'm a fan of the TNA product. I

25:52

think that they've got a lot of

25:54

hardworking guys and gals over there, but I

25:56

kind of agree. It's a

25:58

head scratcher that their fan

26:00

base loves it. They're selling tickets.

26:03

They're having great critically acclaimed

26:05

shows. They're entertaining shows. Why

26:07

don't they get more attention

26:10

or even coverage from the wrestling

26:12

media? It feels like

26:14

there's a lot of WWE coverage and

26:16

there's a lot of AEW coverage. And

26:18

sometimes it feels like there's more New Japan

26:20

coverage than there is even TNA coverage. I

26:23

can't wrap my head around that. Why do you

26:25

think that is in 2025, Jeff? In

26:28

2025? Well, I

26:30

mean, when you go back,

26:32

that's hard to even say.

26:34

It started in 2002, so

26:36

we're saying 23 years. Going

26:38

and I want to make

26:40

sure I craft this in

26:42

the right way because times

26:44

just change kind of I

26:46

mean we both have had

26:48

Jesus not just on my

26:50

world episodes, but offline going

26:52

back years You know, we'll

26:54

call it the TNA lol

26:56

The branding of it the

26:58

look we're 15 years since

27:00

they dropped TNA went with

27:02

Impact or TNA Presents Impact,

27:05

then it was Impact Wrestling,

27:07

and then, you know, it

27:09

went from weekly pay -per -views

27:11

to Spike, to Destination

27:13

America, to Pop, to Off

27:15

TV. You know,

27:17

we can... Everybody kind of knows

27:19

their history, so to speak, but

27:21

I I almost want

27:24

to throw you a

27:26

question back or just

27:28

a thought that the

27:30

way... I

27:32

guess you could say

27:35

the way brands are

27:37

presented. And I went on the

27:39

water with my brother -law and we were

27:41

talking about shoe deals. He's in that sporting

27:43

goods business and talking about a lot of

27:45

the college kids. You know, they're

27:47

doing shoe deals, this and that, and

27:49

just a crazy amount of money. And

27:52

at the end of the day, they're

27:54

brand ambassadors in so many levels. So

27:57

I guess... ends,

27:59

he's always got a unique

28:01

way and he articulates it sometimes

28:03

when you both chuckle, but

28:05

he is dead on. And

28:07

so it makes me, and

28:10

I pondered this question a couple

28:12

of different ways, but if you

28:14

had to tell me who is

28:16

the face of the TNA brand

28:19

right now, who is it? Joe

28:21

Hendry. Okay. And how

28:23

long has he been the face? No

28:25

longer than a year, I'd say, maybe

28:27

a year now. That's fair. Yeah, yeah.

28:29

About a year. That

28:32

is very, very hard, you know,

28:34

because when you look at the face

28:36

of WWE brand or the face

28:38

of UFC, you kind of

28:40

look at the faces of the NBA.

28:42

I'll get wider that the faces of,

28:44

in a lot of ways, Aaron Rodgers

28:46

in a wacky way is still, he

28:49

gets more headlines than just about

28:51

anybody. Tom Brady retired, he

28:53

got, now he's a commentator, I'm talking

28:56

about the guys that really grabbed the

28:58

attention of the headlines, LeBron, Luca and

29:00

the NBA, you can go into hockey

29:02

players. Obviously in our business, you

29:04

know, Triple H, Tony

29:07

Khan, the faces of

29:09

the brand, and then you, you know, you

29:11

go down to who is

29:13

that world champion. But when

29:15

you kind of look at

29:18

the face of the brand

29:20

of TNA, And I'm talking

29:22

about. I'm

29:24

not talking about an onscreen commissioner.

29:26

I'm talking about who is the people

29:28

that your top draw? Who's your

29:30

top guy? No, not top draw. Who

29:32

do they know, like and trust

29:34

to use, use your terms? Oh,

29:37

yeah. Well, then that I think that would be the

29:39

hardies. OK, we're talking

29:41

talent. Is there the Dana White?

29:43

Who's the Dana White of

29:45

TNA? Oh, I see what you're saying. I

29:47

see. Because I

29:49

and no disrespect we've gone into

29:52

detail, but the TNA brand

29:54

Jeff was the face of the

29:56

brand. I got you.

29:58

And then it was Hulk, but

30:01

then it was kind of Hulk and

30:03

Eric, but then it was Dixie. And then

30:05

it was Billy Corrigan. You mean

30:07

the way Triple H puts himself on every WrestleMania

30:09

to open the show? Like, I just saw

30:11

him doing a little video where he showed Cody

30:13

how to take a helmet off. It was

30:15

riveting stuff. No, he did not. Yeah, man. going

30:20

to get me tickled again. We'll

30:22

talk about Triple H in a little

30:24

while, but I think what's interesting

30:26

to me is I never really considered

30:28

that. But in ECW, we

30:30

knew that we were pulling for Paul

30:32

Heyman. In WCW, we knew we were

30:34

pulling for Eric Bischoff. In WWF, we

30:37

knew we were pulling for Vince McMahon. And

30:39

we don't really know who that is. I

30:42

mean, I would think it's Tommy Dreamer, but

30:44

I don't really know that. They've not really

30:46

said that. Link Esper. Then Asper

30:48

got out the checkbook. Here you. I'm not

30:50

arguing that, but I'm saying, you

30:52

know, in the end, like

30:54

it wasn't Dana's money they were building

30:56

with, you know, it was the fratitas, but

30:58

he was sort of, he's the guy

31:00

running point. He's the, for lack of a

31:02

better phrase, he was the

31:04

GM. Yes. Yeah. So

31:07

who is the GM? I get what you're

31:09

saying, because listen, when, when Scott DeMore left

31:11

last year, My phone blew up with people

31:13

who were wanting to know, hey, who's the

31:15

boss? And even with some mutual friends of

31:17

ours were like, hey, can you get me

31:19

in touch with who runs impact? And I'm

31:21

like, I don't really know. And

31:23

look, I mean, but I don't

31:25

know. Well, and that's where I'm saying

31:27

it's fascinating. And again, we have

31:30

talked multiple times. I'm so damn happy.

31:32

Not only that they're just in

31:34

business, but they've kind of, yeah, they

31:36

weathered another storm, if you will.

31:38

And so there is a Teflon

31:41

stickiness to the brand. No doubt.

31:43

I mean, there is no doubt

31:45

in my mind there. That goes

31:47

a long way. They've been in

31:49

business 23 years. That

31:51

says a lot, period.

31:54

But when you kind of

31:56

get into the GM, as

31:58

probably said, and you don't

32:00

have that, I think, okay,

32:03

so why are they not

32:05

back to Ian's post? Why

32:07

is that uniqueness?

32:11

And look. the old school TNA fans.

32:13

Oh, shit. It'll never be as good

32:15

when it was on spike. And then

32:17

you have another group of fans and

32:19

another group of fans that anyway, it's

32:22

a love in that was

32:24

a that's a good thought

32:26

provoking deal. But I think

32:28

when you look at the

32:30

top stars as well, so

32:32

we don't have a GM

32:34

and top stars, do you

32:36

really associate the hardies with

32:38

TNA? I don't. Do

32:40

you really associate, we could go

32:42

through a couple there, and I

32:44

guess you could say Joe, but

32:46

you know, at the end the

32:48

day, and it's just

32:50

kind of how US fans

32:52

are, Joe's not from

32:54

America. So does that hurt him?

32:56

I'm not gonna say it hurts him, but again,

32:58

going back to the face of the brand. Well,

33:02

it's interesting because I think they've

33:04

done a phenomenal job this year actually

33:06

last year to shout out for

33:08

no particular reason to Raphael more free

33:10

I know he's been helping them

33:12

once upon a time behind the scenes

33:14

You think Raphael might be one

33:16

of the hotter free agents in the

33:18

space right now. No doubt. I

33:20

mean Nobody talk about that. Do you

33:22

think well? Like his name

33:24

is not talked about on any of

33:26

the wrestling media and I don't understand that

33:29

because it's the end of the day

33:31

I truly think this a wrestling fan, a

33:33

wrestler, a journalist, the

33:37

real nuts and bolts on how

33:39

to make money in this business,

33:41

people could care less. But

33:44

I guarantee you, a guy

33:46

like Jim Crockett Sr., Vince McMahon

33:48

Sr., Jerry Jarrett, which they...

33:50

We could go down a list

33:52

of promoters that not only

33:54

love Black Ink, it's how they

33:56

operate it. That Black Ink...

33:58

is the only thing that we're

34:00

truly going to dial into.

34:02

And if there's some red ink,

34:04

we got some wallets here

34:06

and there, I better have a

34:08

plan on why that happened.

34:10

I better have a solution on

34:12

why it's not going to

34:15

happen again. And just all

34:17

that kind of stuff. And Raphael, I

34:19

don't want to age him, but

34:21

man, he's been in the business

34:23

20 plus years. Did it

34:25

with WWE? Did it with TNA? Did

34:27

it with AEW? It just feels

34:29

like. So he put in his DNA

34:31

is like me and you talk

34:33

expectations. Yeah assumptions

34:35

projections What is our

34:37

goal here? Like

34:39

what are our priorities?

34:42

Raph thinks Endedly like me and

34:44

you and oh, absolutely. Yeah. Hey,

34:46

man How are we gonna make

34:48

some money out of this and

34:50

that's that that People

34:52

journalists don't give two shits about

34:54

that. Honestly. I learned more sitting

34:56

with Raphael Morphy like an hour

34:58

here and there than I did. And

35:01

a lot of other conversations I've

35:03

had in wrestling just about moving tickets

35:05

and promotion. And anyway, just think

35:07

you want to give him a shout

35:09

out. Really happy to see all

35:11

the success and the momentum that he

35:13

built for TNA and he's available

35:16

now. Who to talk. Hey, I

35:18

also wanted to mention. I'm

35:20

sure you saw a few years ago. I guess it

35:22

was several years ago now. They did

35:24

all the Hardy compound stuff back in

35:26

the day with Jeremy Borash. I'm sure

35:28

you remember, and it was the broken

35:30

mat and all that stuff. Well, do

35:32

you remember the skit where they had

35:34

Joe Frazier? I think that was the

35:36

name of the kangaroo trying to box

35:38

Matt Hardy. Don't

35:41

hold me good. There was an idea

35:43

where the Matt Hardy character was involved with

35:45

the kangaroo. Okay. And I've got a

35:47

candidate here. I don't know that this was

35:49

supposed to be released, but I think

35:51

this might be from the Hardy compound. You've

35:53

been there. I've never been there. OK.

35:56

I think they I think they're going with

35:58

Jeff Hardy might actually be a deer

36:00

now. Let's take a look. What

36:06

the hell

36:09

did I just

36:11

watch? I just

36:13

thought as a country boy from Tennessee,

36:15

you had to see. A full

36:17

blown buck with a rack just diving

36:19

off a second store balcony. Can

36:22

you play that again? Yeah,

36:24

I don't think we should play the audio,

36:26

but we should definitely play the video

36:28

again. We can figure out how to do

36:30

that. And maybe stop frame if possible. I

36:33

like what? I

36:35

know you've grown up in the lake. You've

36:37

grown up in Tennessee your whole life. You've

36:39

grown up. There's deer in your yard all

36:41

the time. I know it. There's deer here.

36:44

There's all about 20 this morning, yes. But

36:46

have you ever seen one climb to the

36:48

top and just dive off Jeff Hardy swanton?

36:50

Walk up to the back of

36:52

my fence over there and just

36:54

kind of look up and it's

36:57

probably five or six feet, but

36:59

he's right up on it and

37:01

he just What the hell the

37:03

deer just jumps off of the

37:05

he has no idea what's on

37:07

the other side of that guard

37:09

rail Where's this deer coming from?

37:12

Come on. I think he's from

37:14

CMLL And he's the talent. Oh,

37:16

there he is. He's coming up. Oh, he

37:18

got. He gets a run and start and just

37:20

leaps over the fence and down goes Frazier.

37:22

He got scared. Okay. Okay. I thought he jumped

37:24

off the roof. But the purposes

37:26

of my story, can we just go with

37:29

us? Jeff Hardy hitting the Swanton. Thank you.

37:31

I don't know. Did I show you the

37:33

latest? I think I sent you the latest

37:35

code attacks over the weekend that is another

37:37

Jeff Hardy. Did did did you

37:39

get that? I may have missed

37:41

that. Oh, that's great. Here's what

37:43

I didn't miss. I don't know that

37:45

you saw this, but since we've been

37:47

recording, there's been an announcement made. A

37:50

.W. has sold out Arena Mexico. Completely

37:53

sold out. No

37:56

tickets available. This is

37:58

going to be happening in June. And

38:00

as soon as I heard there was a rumor of

38:02

this show, I candidly told you, I'm

38:04

going to find a way to get to that show. I've

38:06

only been to Arena Mexico one time, but

38:09

it feels like a big dog on deal. I

38:11

was happy to see that Ring of Honor

38:13

is going to be doing a show later

38:15

this year in the LDCW arena, the 2300

38:17

arena at the corner of Swanson and Ritner

38:19

in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. One of the more iconic

38:21

buildings here in America, but

38:23

when it comes to Mexico, there's no

38:25

building more legendary than arena Mexico,

38:27

right? Yeah. I mean, that's their Madison

38:30

Square Garden. Oh, no doubt

38:32

it is. And it's

38:34

a tourist attraction, Conrad.

38:36

People come from, I was

38:38

in Atlanta airport. gosh,

38:42

beginning of this year and going through

38:44

the international terminal as you go

38:46

down, there's a guy said, hey man,

38:48

Jeff Jarrett, we had a little

38:50

conversation and he's like, yeah, we used

38:52

to come, I was at the

38:54

Skydome show, he's from Toronto, so we,

38:56

that's all this. And he said,

38:58

yeah, he said, I just got to tell you, because

39:00

his wife was sitting there and she said, tell him,

39:03

tell him, tell him. I said, all

39:05

right, what is it? He said, well, we just

39:07

spent seven days in Mexico City and I

39:09

said, oh, that's cool. No, seven days in Mexico.

39:11

And I said, Cancun, you know,

39:13

Port of Arta, where'd you guys go?

39:15

Well, we kind of traveled around and saw

39:17

a couple of places, but we stayed

39:19

three days in Mexico City and, yep,

39:22

she looked at me, the wife, and

39:25

I'm just chuckling. I said, you

39:27

went to Arena Mexico, he said I

39:29

had to. It's a, but anyway,

39:31

they booked tour shows. I mean, it's,

39:33

I can't even put it into

39:35

words because culturally, nothing exists in the

39:37

U .S. I don't think like Arena

39:40

Mexico. They hold wrestling shows in

39:42

there twice a week. Is

39:44

that right? Yeah, two season Fridays, but

39:47

they... Anyway, it's the

39:49

Mecca. In a lot

39:51

of ways, it's Madison Square Garden. I

39:55

can't even give it the

39:57

best analogy, but it is the

39:59

place and nothing exists like

40:01

it in the world, period. It

40:04

just, it does it. And, you know,

40:06

the families owned it for years and

40:08

years and they own arenas. Guadalajara

40:13

and I think Mexico City,

40:16

but, you know, the Paco, who

40:18

my father was a peer

40:20

with, and they worked together and

40:22

it goes back generations. And

40:24

yeah, it's super cool. Yeah,

40:27

I mean, the

40:29

AEW brand. as

40:31

it's grown and we did our Fox

40:34

Sports deal with those guys. It

40:36

just... Shit, I feel like

40:39

I'm on repeat sometimes on this

40:41

podcast. The wrestling business, it

40:43

just continues to grow. Yes, it's going

40:45

to be like the stock market. You're going

40:47

to see a correction every now and

40:49

then, but the long -term gains

40:51

of the wrestling industry are much

40:54

like the Dow Jones. It is

40:56

an upward trajectory, and yes, you're

40:58

going to have dips, but...

41:00

just kind of look at where

41:02

things are going. I mean, all

41:04

the news that has come out

41:06

just in the last 36 months,

41:08

Conrad, the business continues to evolve.

41:10

We talked about the teaser, Hulk

41:13

and Eric. That is

41:15

obviously recent related. Here's another

41:17

layer. So, yeah, Arena

41:19

Mexico sold out. It does

41:21

not surprise me at

41:23

all in that the industry

41:25

alone is Not

41:28

wanting to be in pop culture. It is

41:30

pop culture. Well,

41:33

you and I are big nostalgia fans and

41:35

we're going to be talking about some nostalgia

41:37

stuff. But before we do, let's talk about

41:39

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41:41

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41:47

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41:49

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41:51

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41:53

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41:55

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42:58

that first thing in the morning. Yep, but I'm

43:00

gonna go peanut butter. It's still

43:02

my go -to. I've gravitated back toward that,

43:04

and it is a household favorite. Cody's

43:07

on it. Karen's on it. Kira,

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they all grabbed their

43:13

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world. You're to love it. Hey,

43:19

I wanted to mention some big sports news

43:21

because we had a ton of big sports news

43:23

over the weekend. The entire

43:25

country was talking about the

43:27

NFL draft. And

43:30

specifically, people were wanting to know

43:32

who's going first, who's going second,

43:34

who's going where. And of

43:36

course, there was some controversy with the, but

43:39

who didn't get drafted, maybe the way we thought,

43:41

but we'll start right at the top. You're

43:44

lowly, low as me, Titans.

43:47

Yeah. Picked up a hell of a

43:49

quarterback. Are you happy? I'm

43:53

a tried true tight fans.

43:55

I'll stick with them, but everybody

43:57

in tight land, so I

43:59

don't want to spoil the party,

44:01

is super excited. Camboard, number

44:03

one draft choice, da, da, da.

44:06

But rookie quarterbacks, it has

44:08

their bun, a super successful one.

44:10

At the end of the day, if we

44:12

don't have an old line, that's where I'm

44:14

kind of being negative, Nancy here, but Yes,

44:17

I'm optimistic. Every

44:19

report as far as you're

44:21

hearing, I mean, from the inside

44:23

of the inside of the

44:25

inside of the Titans Camp is

44:27

that Cam is the real

44:29

deal in his head on a

44:31

straight and he wants to

44:33

learn. And,

44:35

you know, he's going to develop. Time

44:38

takes time. But with our new

44:40

stadium coming, Conrad, and everything

44:42

that kind of goes with that. That's

44:44

the buzz around town. And man, when

44:47

you drive through 65 Conrad and you see,

44:49

you know, the current Titan Stadium and

44:51

the new one going up right next to

44:53

it, it's going to be domed at

44:55

all the stuff that goes with it. The

44:57

buzz and the high rises and the

44:59

cranes downtown and, you know, Nashville is not

45:01

anywhere close to the same city. It

45:03

was even five years ago, let alone 10

45:05

or 15 years ago. So he's going

45:08

to have the weight of the world on

45:10

his shoulders. To me, the whole Titans

45:12

franchise, they better turn it around. I'll

45:15

just say that that you can feel

45:17

the fan base. Extremely

45:20

skeptical, if you

45:23

will, that, hey, man, we've

45:25

had some rough years. It's

45:28

about time we start seeing some daylight.

45:30

So they're my team and I'll pull through

45:32

them through any set of circumstances, but

45:34

I'm hoping for the best. We'll see. The

45:37

other big news that is a

45:39

little bit wrestling related. is

45:41

that the Jacksonville Jaguars traded up

45:43

to the number two spot

45:45

and they picked up one of

45:47

the more dynamic players coming

45:49

out of college this year. Mr.

45:51

Travis Hunter calls himself a

45:53

Jacksonville Jaguar and the Jags posted

45:55

video of Travis flying in

45:57

and arriving at their home stadium.

46:00

We got to see our man

46:02

Tony Khan shaking hands with Travis

46:04

Hunter over the weekend. He's

46:06

in Jacksonville now. What do

46:08

you think of Tony's latest

46:11

acquisition? Travis Hunter

46:13

high risk high reward and

46:15

not look I'm not anywhere

46:17

close to you know me

46:19

and you just like to

46:21

talk about it, but you

46:23

know they Leveraged a lot,

46:26

but I love the the

46:28

strategy and you know Chad

46:30

did not become a billionaire

46:32

by not taking some strategic

46:34

chances and so know,

46:37

you talk again in those

46:39

NFL circles and different folks. Look,

46:43

they're not just saying he's a

46:45

generational talent. They've got all these kind

46:47

of stats and analytics and this

46:49

and that. I mean, this morning

46:51

in the gym, that was kind of the buzz on,

46:53

is he going to play offense? Is he going

46:55

to play defense? Are they going to let him play

46:58

both ways? I'm curious to see how Jacksonville handles

47:00

him. You

47:02

know, that tweet you sent me on the Jaguars

47:04

coach. They've all got

47:06

their work cut out, but they got the

47:08

QB, and that's, in some circles, say,

47:10

oh, that's debatable. I do. I think the

47:12

QB there. So they're putting a piece

47:14

of the puzzle. Man, I hope they do

47:16

great. I really do. A

47:18

lot of excitement. The kid is, what

47:21

a bundle of energy. Have you seen much of

47:24

his, I guess you could just

47:26

say his charisma in his interviews, Conrad? No, I

47:28

love him. I think it was a home

47:30

run. I was a little bit skeptical when I

47:32

heard what all they gave up. I was like, I don't

47:34

know. And then I saw who they got. And the more

47:36

I thought about it, the more I thought, man,

47:38

he's going to sell some jerseys. He's going to have a

47:41

lot. He's to have a lot of value to that franchise.

47:43

So yeah, shout out to the

47:45

kind family. It's a major

47:47

move. The

47:50

Sanders story. You're

47:53

a sports junkie. Is there a wrestling equivalent to

47:55

this, Jeff? I mean, I don't remember ever seeing

47:57

anything like this in the history of the draft.

48:02

So let me ask you, Conrad. Has

48:05

the NFL like I

48:07

don't even see of any

48:09

sports league, even a close

48:11

second, they have turned picking. Seven

48:15

rounds of college

48:17

kids that. For

48:19

the most part. are not

48:21

really going to make any effect on this

48:23

coming year. It's just kind of how their

48:25

business works. Now there's going to be some

48:27

and then when they do effect, it'll

48:30

be two or three years down

48:32

the line. So it's a developmental.

48:34

So anyway, but the numbers and

48:36

the ratings and Conrad, all the

48:38

height and Cody was dialed into

48:40

it because there was talk that

48:42

Shadoor could go to Pittsburgh. And

48:45

that got Cody dialed in and

48:47

if Cody was dialed in, he

48:49

had to bring his mom in.

48:51

So he's telling Karen about it.

48:54

Karen Conrad watched all of Thursday.

48:57

Wow. All of Friday. Wow.

49:00

And I'm not kidding you. All of Saturday

49:02

until we went out on the water. And

49:04

she's just like, I don't even, she asked

49:06

me on Thursday, 15 different questions.

49:08

Like what is all, she didn't

49:10

even, she had never watched it,

49:12

didn't understand it. So the Shadoor

49:14

story. because of the father son

49:16

and the human interest side of

49:19

it. And, you know, Cody

49:21

was giving her back story and obviously throwing

49:23

the students out there and then Karen

49:25

was asking me and I'm just like, okay,

49:27

you know, at the end of the

49:29

day, I think Dion is certainly in, certainly

49:31

in the conversation. Look,

49:33

if we don't get to old

49:35

school and throw a Jim Thorpe in

49:37

there, but in the modern era,

49:40

one of the top five greatest athletes

49:42

of all time. not in sport

49:44

of all time. I mean, just he

49:46

was unbelievable and he turned things

49:48

around at Colorado. So all kind of

49:50

hype and prime time and all

49:52

that. But man, when you

49:54

say wrestling equivalent, I immediately kind

49:56

of went to the father -son

49:59

thing and I'm being the son

50:01

of a promoter and look, I

50:03

am so glad, my old man. Look,

50:07

our personal relationship. was damaged for years

50:09

and years and years, but we got to

50:11

turn that around. But the professional restaurants

50:13

have just how he viewed, made

50:15

sure he made it as hard as possible. Um,

50:18

and, but you look at other promoters, kids

50:20

and relationships and everything that goes with

50:22

it. And Dion put a lot of pressure

50:24

on his son and on the teams

50:26

and the interviews that he did and said,

50:29

look, there's some teams I'm not going

50:31

to let my kid play for. And look,

50:33

Travis and Chidore are going to be

50:35

top five. So he lumped. His son in

50:37

with that just all of it Conrad

50:39

what up? and I

50:41

get it and and and but

50:43

the kid is 21 22 22

50:45

years old and making all that

50:47

kind of in our money driving

50:49

around and event Lee The son

50:51

of Dion is hard enough, but

50:53

to get into college and have

50:55

all this kind of stuff man

50:57

He stacked the he stacked the

50:59

deck against his own son and

51:01

I I always ask myself as

51:03

I watched it the three days What

51:06

if Dion realizes the kind of pressure

51:08

or does he care? Because at

51:10

the end of the day, in

51:12

a lot of ways, it

51:14

was set up for failure because unless he

51:17

would have gone in the top 10,

51:19

everything else was headlines.

51:22

Shadour Sanders slides massively was Dion the call.

51:24

Shadour's slides, Sands, was it because of

51:26

his interviews? They just kind of went on

51:28

and on. I mean, they went down

51:30

rabbit hole at the rabbit hole and rabbit

51:32

hole. Conrad,

51:35

in a crazy kind of way,

51:38

the prank call that happened

51:40

is Shaddur saving grace

51:42

because it positions him as

51:44

a very sympathetic kid

51:46

that kind of what we're

51:48

talking about. But to

51:50

your question, Conrad, you

51:53

know who came to my mind? Who's the

51:55

comparable? Basically, a

51:57

can't miss prospect that

51:59

just by all

52:01

accounts, has no belief

52:03

sliding to the 144th pick in

52:05

the fifth round. I

52:07

think Gable Stevenson is

52:09

the number one draft choice

52:12

on every board, on

52:14

every metric, on every

52:16

process that you could think of,

52:18

a guy that's going to go

52:20

into our business and that is

52:22

a can't miss. And we all

52:24

kind of know the result of

52:26

that, that not only did he

52:28

not last, I mean, it was

52:30

kind of in record time and

52:32

a few different things that he

52:34

did appear on. He laid

52:37

an egg. So the business just, it wasn't

52:39

for him, but it makes you appreciate

52:41

the Steiners of the world, the Kurt Angles

52:43

of the world, the amateur wrestlers that

52:45

really clicked in this business. But yeah, I

52:47

think Shadour and Gable is a pretty good

52:49

analogy. As far as draft aid, now I wish

52:51

Shadour all the luck in the world. I

52:53

hope he gets to Cleveland and does great in

52:55

the quarterback room and I hate to say

52:57

it, but I do. But you know, Dion. Cheer

53:00

your son on from before let him stand

53:02

on his own two feet that ain't gonna

53:04

happen because I think he's already said he's

53:06

going to the first QB meeting so I'm

53:08

sure flakko and The Browns and mr. Haslam

53:11

and all that ownership at what a circuit

53:13

it's gonna be but it will sell tickets

53:15

I Do want to follow up more on

53:17

the wrestling equivalent of that, but you mentioned

53:19

gable steveson. We haven't talked about him in

53:21

a while I want to circle back to

53:23

him though What do you

53:25

think he does next? Like we know that, you know,

53:27

he had all the success in the world, won

53:29

the gold medal, went to WWE,

53:32

tried his hand there for whatever reason, pro

53:34

wrestling and him just didn't seem like it

53:36

was the best fit. He went back to college.

53:39

Wyatt Hendrickson beat him in the NCAA finals, I

53:41

guess several weeks ago now, but

53:43

it did feel like those, that

53:46

presentation was bigger than ever. mean,

53:49

it had a big fight feel. The

53:51

freaking president was there. It was on live

53:53

TV. I mean, it was a Sold

53:55

out packed place. What do you think

53:57

is next for Gable? I've never really thought about

53:59

that until you said, hey, it

54:01

didn't really work out for him in pro wrestling,

54:03

but where does it go from here? If

54:05

he's not going to, is the only option, the

54:07

UFC, is that the only logical choice at

54:09

this point? Get a real job? Go

54:12

coach in college, maybe? Conrad,

54:15

I guide that, that kind

54:17

of, and what was it, I

54:19

mean, when you walk up,

54:21

but like his record is crazy,

54:23

dude. I mean, that's why

54:25

he was such a Kate Miss.

54:27

And so the skill set

54:29

is the accolades and the skill

54:31

set and the charisma 103

54:33

and three. Got

54:37

him. His big 10 record is

54:39

36 and 0. His dual record

54:41

is 59 and 0. Four

54:43

time big 10 champion, four time

54:45

All -American, two time Danny Hodge

54:47

Trophy win, two time

54:49

most outstanding wrestler of

54:51

the big 10. two time

54:54

NCAA national champion, 103

54:56

and three. Bear Knuckles

54:58

champion. You want to say

55:00

it like, like. Well, but that wouldn't translate, right? Like

55:02

if you could go be Bear Knuckles champ, then you just

55:04

go straight to the like if you could wrestle and

55:07

box, you just go straight to the UFC, wouldn't you? Well,

55:09

what I'm saying is some kind

55:11

of fight game. Got to be.

55:13

Shit. The

55:15

dude can handle himself. Let's just

55:18

say that. Oh, a completely

55:20

different level. You know, and

55:22

I don't know enough about

55:24

the Olympic kind of that whole

55:26

world. But getting paid

55:28

in in that in in just

55:30

because look, if college kids are getting

55:32

paid now and that Cooper flag

55:34

and NCAA basketball, I know you're not

55:36

the craziest basketball junkie, but there's

55:39

a couple of things I follow on

55:41

Instagram. How much how

55:43

much money is allotted for

55:45

a college team? even submit

55:47

majors. Conrad, these

55:50

boys are getting paid. I

55:52

mean, paid paid. Well,

55:54

what do you make of that

55:56

new legislation that could potentially say,

55:59

hey, why are you arbitrarily giving

56:01

these guys five years as long

56:03

as they stay in school? Technically,

56:06

they're a student. They could continue. In

56:08

theory, guys could just

56:10

go to school forever and keep playing

56:12

in college. I don't think that'll

56:15

happen, but I also never thought what's happening

56:17

right now would be happening right now, right? Because

56:19

it's a business and it's driven by money

56:21

and all that. I was talking to, better

56:23

not say his name, you'd probably

56:26

prefer, but a former pro football player

56:28

that performed in the college. I

56:30

mean, he plays five years at pro,

56:32

so he can play high level

56:34

in college, really good, like ass kicking

56:36

in college. We had a conversation

56:38

and it was kind of, we were

56:40

doing the same body part, so

56:42

we had a kind of running conversation.

56:45

And I brought up, I'm like,

56:47

these guys that are 18

56:50

years, 19, 20 years old, this

56:52

Nico, people don't follow up

56:54

with the UT story is basically,

56:56

it turned out bad for

56:58

him. He, he listened to some

57:00

bad advice. Um, period.

57:02

He listened to some bad advice

57:04

and he was do about two

57:06

million bucks from UT and now

57:08

he went to UCLA and he's

57:10

going to get, I think 1 .5

57:12

and then you're going to get

57:14

taxed. Unlike state of Tennessee, you're

57:17

gonna get, you know, it's gonna

57:19

get money cut in half. But

57:21

why not when you have all

57:23

this money and let's let's let

57:25

the CAA, the WME, the agents

57:27

of the world that really know

57:29

how to guide guys' careers, let's

57:31

let them get involved now and

57:33

guide it and regulate it. Because

57:35

if you're gonna have a 25,

57:38

you know, right now my daughter,

57:40

Sharon, she plays, you know, basketball

57:42

and the way things

57:44

are done, it affects every

57:46

level. She's at the D3

57:48

level, but it affects literally

57:50

every level. So it's going

57:52

to be really interesting to

57:54

how college sports evolve because

57:56

at the end of the

57:58

day, a D2 is a

58:00

feeder to a D1, if you're talking

58:03

from a Freshland perspective. Anyway,

58:05

the game is continuing to change. It's fascinating

58:07

to see where it's going to go. I

58:10

don't know that you saw,

58:12

but whoever runs KFC social responded

58:14

the other day to Shaddur

58:16

Sanders, where he was finally drafted

58:18

and he wrote, thank you, God. KFC

58:21

replied and said, the Colonel was

58:23

rejected a thousand and nine times

58:25

before finally landing our famous original

58:27

recipe. Sometimes all the Sanders

58:29

needs is a little time to cook. Congrats,

58:32

Shaddur. I love it. That's on

58:34

top of their social media game.

58:36

That is the KFC. And

58:38

how did you find a way to insert

58:40

yourself into the conversation? You

58:42

know, let me ask you something, Jeff. You've

58:44

you've known a lot of guys who

58:46

had gimmicks that they would keep up with

58:48

outside of the ring. Famously, the undertaker

58:51

would often wear black when he was in

58:53

public. I think when Kane was traveling

58:55

through the WWE years, a lot of times,

58:57

at least back in the day, he'd

58:59

wear the mask in public. I know that

59:01

there were some famous luchadors who did

59:03

that, too. But

59:05

I don't know if you saw. an

59:08

AEW star catching a next game

59:10

over the weekend. Did you see this?

59:13

Here we go, Connie. I told you my weekend

59:15

I was a little disconnected. I think this

59:17

flew under the radar. But if

59:19

you'll take a look here in the

59:21

crowd. That's

59:25

Luchasaurus in full

59:27

gimmick at the next

59:29

game. I don't

59:31

know why this tickled me, but it did. I

59:34

like it. Have you Do

59:37

you remember a circumstance like this

59:39

in your wrestling life before where you're

59:41

at a football game and you

59:43

look over and, oh, there's the road

59:45

warriors in their full paint. I

59:47

mean, I love it, first of all. I mean, you

59:49

want to talk about being a star and drawing attention

59:51

to yourself. I know that

59:54

some people are going to clown on

59:56

this. Take a look at any red

59:58

carpet for any Hollywood event. People are

1:00:00

courting attention with what they wear. He's

1:00:02

done that fabulously here, but it does

1:00:04

make me laugh. Like any time

1:00:06

when I see like old, you know,

1:00:08

Mexican Spanish movies or what have you

1:00:10

and I see the blue demon in

1:00:12

a suit but also hood, it makes

1:00:14

me laugh. What do you think of

1:00:16

this? I love it. I immediately

1:00:18

took me back to the double

1:00:20

J character and I was told

1:00:23

under no insert terms from Vince,

1:00:25

you're going to travel as double J. I

1:00:27

love it. Correct. Yes,

1:00:30

sir. And you know, in my

1:00:32

mind, I'm back in those days,

1:00:34

Conrad. running shoes, Zubas, light

1:00:37

t -shirt, that's just, that

1:00:39

was kind of the, but nope, those days

1:00:41

were gone. So I was wearing jeans

1:00:43

and cowboy boots and shirt and vest and

1:00:45

all that, you know, that was back

1:00:47

when, it's just different. I

1:00:49

mean, Warrior and

1:00:51

Hogan, and then you had D .V. I see

1:00:53

the million dollar man. I mean, just, Vince

1:00:55

believed in when guys went on the road,

1:00:57

when they're seen in public. And I do,

1:00:59

I think there's a lot of, value

1:01:03

in that, you know, if I'm

1:01:05

gonna get on a soapbox, that's

1:01:07

where, you know, I've had conversation

1:01:10

with guys about X and Instagram

1:01:12

and I'm like, like, what do

1:01:14

you really want out of social

1:01:16

media? And they can't answer that

1:01:18

question. And then I'm like, okay,

1:01:20

is one of your priorities to

1:01:23

further your career? Oh, God, yeah.

1:01:25

I said, would you put that

1:01:27

in the top five? Oh,

1:01:29

God, yeah. I said, okay, top

1:01:31

three. Yeah, okay.

1:01:34

Give me the other two

1:01:36

out of the top three Why

1:01:38

are you on social media

1:01:40

like posting? Well,

1:01:43

I don't know. Well, oh Okay,

1:01:45

so I kind of think you

1:01:47

haven't really come and I'm giving

1:01:49

a synopsis here I kind of

1:01:51

think it's at least in top

1:01:53

three So if that's your mindset

1:01:55

on social media, that's what the

1:01:57

whole world sees a lot more

1:02:00

than you going to Waffle House

1:02:02

or going to first watch and

1:02:04

eat breakfast or crack or whatever.

1:02:06

They don't see in your daily life.

1:02:08

The world sees you through social

1:02:10

media. Yeah. Okay. So when

1:02:13

you're on there bitching and

1:02:15

crying and moaning and this

1:02:17

and that about anything about

1:02:19

your, your family situation, girlfriend

1:02:21

situation, a rotten

1:02:23

flight that you had that Delta

1:02:25

or American Airlines screwed you over

1:02:28

or whatever it is. When they

1:02:30

see that about five to one

1:02:32

or then a wrestling promo about

1:02:34

your character and you're asking me

1:02:36

why your social media doesn't really

1:02:38

get in movement, I think you're

1:02:40

answering your own question. So I'm

1:02:42

not saying you got to live

1:02:44

the gimmick and I know, oh,

1:02:47

that's too old school thinking in

1:02:49

that. But that's why I think

1:02:51

a Luchasaurus wearing this in public,

1:02:54

like, what is the downside? There's a

1:02:56

ton of upside and the fact

1:02:58

that. on our little old podcast. We're

1:03:00

talking about it, but it's how

1:03:02

the world works. That clip

1:03:04

will be seen a hell of a lot

1:03:06

more than if Luchasaurus was just kind

1:03:08

of walking, whatever, but he's

1:03:11

a, he always wears his

1:03:13

ball jersey around too. So

1:03:15

shout out Luchasaurus. Great job. Let's

1:03:18

talk about something that the entire

1:03:20

internet was talking about last week. We're

1:03:23

going to be talking about the rock. Now, you

1:03:25

last week, we were live and you were incredulous

1:03:27

with the Rocks comments on Pat McAfee. Go ahead,

1:03:29

Jeff. What I was just going to say is

1:03:31

that we talking about Gail Kim today. Would

1:03:35

you like to? Shout

1:03:37

out to Bart from the

1:03:39

Meat Mart. He prepared for the

1:03:41

show three times in a

1:03:43

row and Silva keeps, because

1:03:45

we won't get into it. So I don't want to put

1:03:47

it on Bart. I don't to put it on you. I'll put

1:03:49

it on Silva, but it's a running joke. Well,

1:03:52

I don't mean for it to be. I

1:03:54

know he's popping off. It is

1:03:57

what it is. All right, go rock.

1:03:59

Well, you're to get me tickled

1:04:01

because look, Conrad, at the end

1:04:03

of the day, I

1:04:05

mean, Toronto was on its

1:04:07

ass and they needed help

1:04:09

and the goodness of his

1:04:11

heart. The rock sent that

1:04:13

son of a bitch into

1:04:15

sold out, hanging from the

1:04:17

rafters, right? Isn't that the

1:04:19

story? I mean, he created

1:04:22

the greatest wrestling angle of all time, Jeff. You're

1:04:24

gonna get me tickled. That's what he

1:04:27

said. That's what he said. No, he did

1:04:29

not. Yeah. Last week. Is

1:04:31

this the follow -up? No, on

1:04:33

Pat McAfee's show, he said that he

1:04:35

texted Cody and John Cena. Guys, we just pulled off

1:04:37

the greatest wrestling angle of all time. Anyway,

1:04:40

the next day, as

1:04:43

you may imagine, Dave LaGreca

1:04:45

had a freaking meltdown. Big

1:04:48

Cody Rhodes fan. Not

1:04:50

necessarily a big rock fan. Oh. He made

1:04:52

that clear last year when the rock

1:04:54

tried to insert himself in the Cody story,

1:04:56

he melted down and became a part

1:04:58

of the packages that WWE even showed. Well,

1:05:01

I can't believe this is real,

1:05:03

but the rock responded to Dave

1:05:06

LaGreca and the response I think

1:05:08

will tickle you more than what

1:05:10

Dave was even reacting to. Of

1:05:12

course, Dave was reacting to

1:05:14

the explanation that rock gave on

1:05:17

Pat McPhee as to why

1:05:19

he wasn't at WrestleMania and LaGreca

1:05:21

melted down. And

1:05:23

I loved it shout out

1:05:25

to Dave and his great work

1:05:27

and busted open Nope, we've

1:05:29

got a quote though of a

1:05:31

tweet. I Can't

1:05:33

believe this is real but

1:05:35

the rock actually wrote

1:05:38

on social media. Hi Dave

1:05:40

The business is a

1:05:42

complete work always has been

1:05:44

always will be every

1:05:46

aspect of it every match

1:05:48

every interview Please join

1:05:50

me Cody Sina Brian and

1:05:52

the rest of us

1:05:54

for our creative discussions. You

1:05:57

can expand your perspective

1:05:59

until then. Stop ranting. It's

1:06:02

not healthy, my friend. Enjoy

1:06:04

the show. Yes. Tell Bubba

1:06:06

I have grandmarnier and hush puppies for

1:06:08

all of us. So I

1:06:10

appreciate he's giving a shout out

1:06:12

there to Bubba. But

1:06:14

let's just break this down. In

1:06:18

the history of ever. Have

1:06:21

you ever heard of a top star? Going

1:06:25

out and saying the business is

1:06:27

a complete work always has been

1:06:29

always will be every aspect of

1:06:31

it every match every interview Let's

1:06:33

just pause right there before we

1:06:35

take any more steps Everything you

1:06:37

see is bullshit guys. I can't

1:06:39

believe you're getting emotionally invested in

1:06:42

this bullshit Don't you know I'm

1:06:44

not really an Avenger. I've never

1:06:46

flown I just stand my goofy

1:06:48

ass in front of this green

1:06:50

screen and go like this. And

1:06:52

then they pretend I'm fucking fine.

1:06:54

Don't you see? You

1:06:56

fucking idiot. Can you believe

1:06:58

that you're this invested in the things

1:07:00

I'm selling you? I know I make money

1:07:03

on the things I sell you, but

1:07:05

your dumb ass buys it. You fucking idiot.

1:07:07

Why are you giving me your money and buying

1:07:10

and believing what I'm doing? How dare

1:07:12

you believe the things I say that make you

1:07:14

want to give me money? You

1:07:16

fucking idiot. Calm

1:07:18

down Why are you

1:07:20

so invested in what we're

1:07:23

doing? Why do you care

1:07:25

so much about our products? We

1:07:27

often quit talking about our products

1:07:29

and spending so much to go outside

1:07:31

and cut the grass Go make

1:07:33

movies. Why aren't you in Hollywood LaGreca?

1:07:35

Why aren't you just shooting your

1:07:37

latest fucking Hollywood film? You mean

1:07:39

to tell me on your pro wrestling

1:07:41

radio show you have the fucking

1:07:44

audacity to talk about the wrestling content

1:07:46

that I create Why are

1:07:48

you talking about the things that I do,

1:07:50

which is a big part of what we

1:07:52

do. But why are you doing it? Why

1:07:54

are you doing exactly what I need you

1:07:56

to do, you fucking idiot? Your

1:08:00

turn, Jeff. How did you perceive that? Oh,

1:08:04

I can't follow that

1:08:06

first. Oh, my

1:08:08

gosh. Let's

1:08:10

just keep going. Wait, please

1:08:12

join me, comma. Cody,

1:08:16

comma. Sina, comma,

1:08:19

Brian and the rest of

1:08:21

us, the rest of us

1:08:24

for our creative discussion, so

1:08:26

you can expand your perspective.

1:08:29

Now, I'm just thinking to myself,

1:08:31

self. If I

1:08:33

was to put a gun to your

1:08:35

head, Jeff, and I said, hey,

1:08:37

we're having discussions about WWE creative. If

1:08:39

you don't mind, Jeff, could

1:08:41

you just name some of the

1:08:43

people that might be responsible for creative

1:08:45

in WWE? We'll just start at

1:08:47

the top. Just when you

1:08:49

think about creative in WWE,

1:08:52

I know rock comes to

1:08:54

mind first, obviously. And

1:08:57

then I think about Cody, not

1:08:59

as a top star, but creatively. I

1:09:01

don't. I am second. What?

1:09:03

Well, I know you think about John Cena. No.

1:09:06

When I think about WWE creative,

1:09:08

I always know it's it's rock, it's

1:09:10

Cody and John Cena. And then

1:09:13

some fellow named Brian. I

1:09:15

don't know his last name, but I can guess.

1:09:18

Who is Brian? He works,

1:09:20

as my father would say. And

1:09:23

the rest of us. Does

1:09:26

anybody else in WWE even do

1:09:29

creative that you're aware of? Oh, there's

1:09:31

a huge writer's room, Connie. I

1:09:33

know you hadn't been there. Well, hang

1:09:35

on. Rock's in it, right? And

1:09:37

Cody's in it. Let's go around the

1:09:39

room for all WWE creative sessions. Because

1:09:42

I know they meet on the weekend sometimes

1:09:44

because Monday night is kind of a big deal.

1:09:46

It's a live television show. Oh, we got

1:09:48

to. That raw, that raw crew definitely works weekends.

1:09:50

So let's just take a peek inside the

1:09:52

room. Okay. All for really Wednesday. Close

1:09:54

your eyes, Jeff. Just fix for this. All right.

1:09:56

We're going to look in the writer's room because

1:09:58

we saw a clip of this on Netflix. And

1:10:00

from best I remember left to right,

1:10:03

it was rock and then Cody

1:10:05

and then Cena and then

1:10:07

Brock. Was there anybody else even

1:10:10

in the room? Conrad

1:10:15

How do you how can those

1:10:17

guys be at two places once? Who

1:10:20

even would be the rest of us?

1:10:22

What would that even what does that mean?

1:10:25

So, you know, they have writers

1:10:27

and assistant writers. Well, Nick Foley

1:10:29

Sun's not there anymore. Nope. Dewey's

1:10:31

out. Dewey. Oh, they must

1:10:33

mean abyss. Nope. He

1:10:35

is called a producer. Not

1:10:37

an agent. All right. It's Hurricane.

1:10:40

Nope. He's a producer as

1:10:42

well. 90s husband. No,

1:10:46

you're you're you're off. I'll

1:10:48

be rude. There it is. I got

1:10:51

it. Nope. I'll be rude either. Nick

1:10:53

Aldous. We all know friend of the show.

1:10:55

It's Nick. Right up the road. It ain't Nick

1:10:57

Aldous. He is an onscreen character. And you

1:11:00

know what? It isn't P .D. Williams. He's not

1:11:02

in the corner. No, it's not P .D. doing. It's

1:11:04

fucking Fit Finley. That's who they're talking about.

1:11:06

The rest of us. It's Fit

1:11:08

Finley. I

1:11:11

hope it's regal. Are

1:11:15

we missing anybody? Oh,

1:11:18

life for me. I can't think of

1:11:20

anybody else even involved in creative. No,

1:11:22

Stephanie is no longer in creative like

1:11:24

that. That was years ago. So just

1:11:26

for these podcasts. Yeah. Yeah.

1:11:30

Damn. Is anybody

1:11:32

not mentioned? Should we take anything

1:11:35

away? Well, let's

1:11:37

dig down on this layers of

1:11:39

stuff because. you know, the

1:11:41

writer's room evolves and evolves and

1:11:43

evolves and a lot of

1:11:45

turnover that if you get on

1:11:47

LinkedIn and put in WDB

1:11:49

writer, I bet. That's

1:11:51

a good question. Who are

1:11:53

the WWE writers?

1:11:57

Yeah, let's pull that up here. Yep.

1:12:01

Um, I could

1:12:03

name a lot in Maxtrum. Maxtrum.

1:12:05

Uh, so

1:12:08

Cata. Oh, what kind is it? Oh,

1:12:10

no, hang on. It also this this one's

1:12:12

still less Vince McMahon. I don't think. No, no,

1:12:14

no, no, Vince is not right. Sure. If

1:12:16

you wouldn't go there, you know, in the old

1:12:18

building, it was the second floor. I mean,

1:12:20

I don't know. I like just be way off

1:12:22

base. But you remember my friend Bruce Prichard? Does

1:12:26

he still work there? Do

1:12:29

you what about what about Ed

1:12:31

Koski? Do you think Ed Koski's still

1:12:33

there? I know Ed's

1:12:35

still there. He's a good man as

1:12:37

well. Smart man. The longevity of

1:12:39

that dude to just his survival instincts.

1:12:42

But I don't know. I don't know his

1:12:44

full name, but I don't think it's

1:12:46

rest or of. Well, hang on. Hang on.

1:12:48

Hang on. Hang on. Help me understand. I

1:12:51

just saw a guy showing Cody Rhodes

1:12:53

how to put a helmet on and

1:12:55

take it off. I mean, and then

1:12:57

I saw. I got to watch

1:12:59

that video teaser of a writer's room. And

1:13:01

there's this guy with a goatee saying, you know,

1:13:04

hey, we're going to pull back the curtain

1:13:06

and show you inside the writer's room. Are you

1:13:08

leading me down the path that you're going

1:13:10

to lead me to believe the rest of us?

1:13:13

Is some of these names you're mentioning? I'm

1:13:15

just wondering, like, do you think at

1:13:18

all? And again, I don't know. But

1:13:20

I think the official title is

1:13:22

Chief Content Officer. Now,

1:13:25

I'm just a hillbilly from Alabama, Jeff. But

1:13:28

content, is that

1:13:30

interchangeable with creative, maybe?

1:13:33

Am I all face in

1:13:35

saying that? Which aka triple

1:13:37

h aka hunter how does

1:13:39

actually be involved how does

1:13:42

content come to fruition you

1:13:44

gotta Create it Connie ship,

1:13:46

you know that Well, I'm

1:13:48

learning I do mortgages. I'm

1:13:50

just trying to learn it

1:13:52

doesn't appear out of nowhere.

1:13:54

It just doesn't What do

1:13:56

you what do you make? When

1:13:59

Triple H goes up and and

1:14:01

and and by the way, I want

1:14:03

to be clear He did not

1:14:05

mention the rock in his 91 minute

1:14:07

Hall of Fame speech. He mentioned

1:14:09

the guy who does his dry cleaning,

1:14:11

the guy who cuts his grass,

1:14:13

the guy who watches his Bentley's, the

1:14:15

guy who makes his protein shakes.

1:14:17

All got a shout out. The

1:14:21

rock did not. Eric Bischoff got

1:14:23

praise. Got a shout out. The

1:14:26

rock did not. You're

1:14:28

kidding me. I didn't know that little

1:14:30

tidbit. Eric Bischoff got a shout out

1:14:32

and the rock doesn't. And

1:14:35

so now people are wondering. Hmm.

1:14:38

Hmm. And a friend of

1:14:40

ours who may or may not be

1:14:42

on this box over here pointed out

1:14:44

to me, you know, in years past.

1:14:47

Whenever they would be doing media for WrestleMania,

1:14:49

they'd always put the main event out

1:14:52

there, the champion, the challenger, whoever

1:14:54

the top baby face of the top star

1:14:56

was. You might see a guy like

1:14:58

Cody Rhodes. You might see a guy like

1:15:00

Roman Reigns on the show. This

1:15:03

year, it was triple H. Hmm.

1:15:05

And they've got this new reality show that

1:15:07

he's, I guess, going to lead because

1:15:09

it's about the writer's room and they opened

1:15:11

up WrestleMania and. I

1:15:13

don't know. There's some people

1:15:16

out there who are suggesting there

1:15:18

may be more to this,

1:15:20

including Vince Russo, who says, when

1:15:22

you say, please join Cody,

1:15:24

Cena, Brian and the rest of

1:15:26

us for our creative discussions. So

1:15:29

you're telling me right there, Triple H

1:15:31

has no creative decisions. Thank

1:15:34

you very much, Rock. But

1:15:36

what I want to point out, people

1:15:38

won't understand this. You will understand this, Coach.

1:15:41

When you're in the business and your number

1:15:43

is called and your time is up,

1:15:45

you know it. You know

1:15:47

it. It's no secret, Coach. You know

1:15:49

it. You're planning for it. You're preparing.

1:15:52

You know it. What

1:15:54

you just said there, Coach, is

1:15:56

if what is happening is what we

1:15:58

are saying, I got to tell you,

1:16:00

it's a horrible spot for Triple H

1:16:02

to be in. Russo

1:16:05

and coach Russo specifically has gone

1:16:07

on to predict They don't think

1:16:09

Triple H makes it another year

1:16:11

Whoa is crazy talk like WWE

1:16:14

is succeeding on a level It's

1:16:16

never succeeded on this high before

1:16:18

like they're setting new records every

1:16:20

time they turn around And over

1:16:22

a personal issue we're going to

1:16:24

to use a southern phrase throw

1:16:27

the baby out with the bathwater

1:16:29

that makes no walking around sense

1:16:31

like I refuse to,

1:16:33

I appreciate that them throwing shade

1:16:35

at each other by not mentioning

1:16:37

each other in their hall of

1:16:39

fames or their interviews on Pat

1:16:41

McAfee. Okay, whatever. But there's

1:16:43

no way this results in either one

1:16:46

of them leaving WWE, right Jeff?

1:16:48

That's just silly. Ever,

1:16:50

ever, ever, ever, ever.

1:16:52

Never, ever, ever, ever

1:16:54

say, ever say never.

1:16:57

Anything can happen. I mean,

1:16:59

Conrad, when you I

1:17:02

mean, look, I always try

1:17:04

to broaden it out. Do

1:17:06

you look at any sports

1:17:08

team? I mean Like I'm a

1:17:10

basketball junkie who in their

1:17:12

right mind trades Luca off

1:17:14

the dock it off of

1:17:16

Dallas and I know there's

1:17:18

a lot to that story

1:17:20

But nobody would have seen that

1:17:23

coming. Oh, yeah, the insiders

1:17:25

would have well Okay, maybe

1:17:27

the insiders were books. Maybe

1:17:29

there's insiders, but man any

1:17:31

rude jumping out on a

1:17:33

limb a year, I But crazier

1:17:35

things have happened and they

1:17:37

always have and they always

1:17:39

will It's obvious super obvious

1:17:41

and look things can chair

1:17:43

on a dime But Conrad

1:17:45

At the end of the day

1:17:47

The wrestling industry on any

1:17:49

level the promoter and Vince

1:17:51

did it for years, and

1:17:53

you can... We're going back

1:17:55

to kind of not just

1:17:58

the GM, but the guy really

1:18:00

responsible that has to look

1:18:02

at the bottom line. And

1:18:04

now they're owned by private

1:18:06

equity. And

1:18:09

so, those drive

1:18:11

everything, and all decisions

1:18:13

are made on that. The

1:18:15

decisions are not best for...

1:18:17

All decisions are based off

1:18:19

that. So, crazier things have

1:18:21

happened. You can

1:18:23

just kind of definitely see a scenario. And

1:18:26

look, is it safe to

1:18:28

say, Conrad, that the rock

1:18:30

sits on top of all

1:18:32

of it? I

1:18:34

mean, he's the chairman of the

1:18:36

board, correct? Well, no,

1:18:39

he's not the rock, not the chairman. No,

1:18:41

he is on the board. He's on

1:18:43

the board, but but Ari's the chairman, right?

1:18:45

He's the chairman of merit or whatever. So

1:18:48

my understanding is it's Ari

1:18:50

and then Mark and then Nick,

1:18:52

then Paul. And then maybe unofficially,

1:18:54

Bruce. But

1:18:56

I think Bruce has to try to

1:18:58

make Hunter happy with creative. And I

1:19:00

think Hunter has to try to make

1:19:02

Nick Khan happy. And I think Nick

1:19:04

Khan has to try to make Shapiro

1:19:06

happy. And I think Shapiro probably has

1:19:08

to make Ari happy. And well, I

1:19:11

think Ari has to probably make rock

1:19:13

happy. Yeah. So that's yeah. So I

1:19:15

think there's a lot of interesting. Behind

1:19:18

the scenes, political stuff. I mean, even

1:19:20

going back to last year. You saw Triple

1:19:22

H cut a promo that I retweeted

1:19:24

over the weekend and I sent to you

1:19:26

and you thought this has to be

1:19:28

AI. This can't be real. Where

1:19:31

Triple H is even doing that.

1:19:33

It doesn't matter and all that stuff.

1:19:35

Now, of course, fans when I retweeted it

1:19:38

said, oh, this is all a story.

1:19:40

This is all an angle. OK. Well,

1:19:42

what was the payoff for it? It was 15

1:19:44

months ago. Oh,

1:19:47

on camera. What was the end of

1:19:49

the onscreen blowoff of triple H and rock?

1:19:51

We didn't see it. Now, part

1:19:53

of me wonders. Get

1:19:56

your tinfoil hats out, folks. Everyone

1:19:58

right now is bought in completely, but

1:20:00

these guys really hate each other. And

1:20:06

we've got a reality show coming

1:20:08

out this summer about the writer's room.

1:20:12

And I'll start doing 3D creative here.

1:20:14

And rock and triple H becomes the

1:20:16

story that everybody really wants to see

1:20:18

and they can break it off to

1:20:20

that. So, so, but we put up

1:20:22

the rock post tweet, all that the

1:20:24

first paragraph. I did the business, a

1:20:26

complete work always has been always built

1:20:28

will be every aspect of it, every

1:20:31

match, every interview. All right, that's good.

1:20:33

Conrad, remember, I've told the story many,

1:20:35

many times, right with my dad in

1:20:37

the backseat. He's got tojo driving or

1:20:39

whoever driving. He's sitting on this. go

1:20:41

through any drive -through. Hey, okay, make the

1:20:43

order, get up to there. Hey, aren't

1:20:45

you the wrestlers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:20:48

You always have either the lady working

1:20:50

the drive -through or whoever it may

1:20:52

be. Hey, y 'all wrestling? Isn't

1:20:54

all that fake? And man, my dad

1:20:56

would not let that finish sentence and

1:20:58

go, oh, hell yeah, every bit of

1:21:00

it. Like, it's all, it's spony blood,

1:21:02

it's ketchup, those packets that you got

1:21:05

in your hand right there, all the

1:21:07

storylines, all the scripts. There's never been

1:21:09

one thing ever in the history of

1:21:11

professional wrestling that's been real. It's 100 %

1:21:13

fake. And you, I

1:21:15

mean, without fail, the

1:21:18

lady goes, now that's

1:21:20

bullshit. I remember so and

1:21:22

so, so and so, I was watching it

1:21:24

and they did a bunch of phony stuff

1:21:26

with man. This guy hit him, maybe it's

1:21:28

by accident, but that got real. And I

1:21:30

saw it and I'm telling you that match

1:21:32

ended up being the real deal. Oh,

1:21:34

so you can't even tell people.

1:21:36

So. Rock said all

1:21:38

that and then, you know,

1:21:41

that was his rant and then

1:21:43

all of a sudden you

1:21:45

have the ticket sales and man,

1:21:47

the tin foil hat could

1:21:49

go on and on but LaGreca

1:21:51

and that's where Cody brought

1:21:53

the LaGreca tweet post whatever to

1:21:55

Karen and Karen looked at

1:21:58

me and I said, hell, Dave's

1:22:00

working too. You know,

1:22:02

he's going on his rant to

1:22:04

get clicks and here we are

1:22:06

on my, but it's created. all

1:22:08

kinds of discussion, all kinds of

1:22:10

engagement. Now, time will

1:22:12

tell where all this lands,

1:22:14

but the whole world's talking about

1:22:17

it and we'll see. But

1:22:19

if they're looking for streams

1:22:21

and they are at Netflix,

1:22:23

maybe this is all a

1:22:26

pale win for that story.

1:22:28

I don't know. I,

1:22:30

for one, want to believe

1:22:32

this leads to a match. I

1:22:37

think it could be interesting. Rock

1:22:39

triple H. Well, I think it's

1:22:41

going to clearly be a tag match. Oh, no,

1:22:43

that's what I'm saying. Yeah. But they're the headliners.

1:22:45

Wouldn't that be something? Hell,

1:22:48

yes. I mean, it's all about

1:22:50

right. Yeah. I mean, on whatever level.

1:22:52

Yes. I mean, I

1:22:55

hope that's what it is because to me,

1:22:57

I find that way more interesting. Like. Wouldn't

1:23:00

like the greatest twist of all for

1:23:02

it to come out right now, all

1:23:04

these years later, that the Montreal Screwjob

1:23:06

was a work. I'm not suggesting it

1:23:08

was, but I'm saying if

1:23:10

evidence came forward that revealed that it

1:23:12

was a work, we'd all be like,

1:23:14

this is one of the greatest things

1:23:16

that's ever been pulled off. And if

1:23:19

they're trying to manufacture that right now,

1:23:21

this could be amazing. If this was

1:23:23

in Memphis next week or probably next

1:23:25

week, if Lawler's booking maybe three or

1:23:27

four months, if my dad was, it

1:23:30

would be rock and

1:23:32

Sina versus Cody Triple

1:23:34

H. It's

1:23:36

exactly where my head went. How I

1:23:39

could think was if they want to

1:23:41

do a super show somewhere, you talk

1:23:43

about star power. There it

1:23:45

is. And Cody can run circles

1:23:47

around them all and handle all the heavy lifting

1:23:49

and make everybody look good. And you send

1:23:51

rock in on the press junket. It makes sure

1:23:53

it sells the tickets. What do you think? Oh,

1:23:56

you know, that to me still

1:23:59

is the greatest line ever. Got

1:24:01

a call. I mean, it's

1:24:04

classic. It is classic. And

1:24:06

here's the thing, like. For

1:24:09

years and years, there's been angles.

1:24:12

Oh, they're trying to take over WCW. Oh,

1:24:15

what is what are these got? They're

1:24:17

going to take over a W or. Hey,

1:24:19

they're fighting for control of WWE. There's

1:24:21

a McMahon in every corner. And we've all

1:24:23

heard that all these different variations. This

1:24:25

might actually be the first time

1:24:27

fans fucking believe it, right? Well,

1:24:30

on some level, all

1:24:32

you got to do is want to believe.

1:24:34

That's it, and we want to believe

1:24:36

it. Look, the

1:24:38

whole vent chain, all that compelling stuff

1:24:40

through the years. I mean, we

1:24:43

could go back in Memphis

1:24:45

because there's so many different

1:24:47

examples. But on

1:24:49

a very, very micro level,

1:24:52

people believe the Andy Kaufman

1:24:54

Jerry Lawler story, they

1:24:56

wanted Lawler to kill him.

1:24:58

But if you just thought for

1:25:00

a second and thought that

1:25:02

through now, Now, wait a minute.

1:25:05

This Hollywood stars, I mean, yeah, this

1:25:07

is a business. I mean, but all

1:25:09

you got to do is create the

1:25:11

emotional engagement and you got to get

1:25:13

people to want to believe. It's there.

1:25:15

There's enough little seeds along the way

1:25:17

now that they could immediately do that.

1:25:19

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1:25:21

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1:25:23

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1:27:43

fun ones and then I do want to

1:27:45

hit two kind of serious ones Maybe

1:27:47

three. Okay. Wow. Logan

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Paul has made some headlines saying

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that he offered Stone Cold

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Steve Austin a million dollars to

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come down to the ring

1:27:57

wearing the prime bottle. And

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we know Stone Cold turned it down. But

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I think this is genius. A, to even

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ask, first of all, shout out to him

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for having the sack to ask. But B,

1:28:09

even when Stone Cold said no, He

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just told this story on his podcast

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and got just as much traction, almost

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as much traction as he would have

1:28:18

had Steve actually worn the bottle and

1:28:20

he saved a million dollars. So

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it's easy to see if you're watching with

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us on YouTube at myroadpod.com, why Steve Austin would

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not want to wear this bottle to the

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ring. But dude, what

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a genius marketer Logan Paul is to

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even float this out there, right? That's

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where the word that

1:28:37

comes to my mind when

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I Not just Logan,

1:28:42

but you kind of see

1:28:44

the brother. Look,

1:28:46

we could come up

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with the... I guess you

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could say, Conrad, the

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influencer mindset or the influence

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business model. Once you

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create momentum and really get

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the snowball going, everything

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feeds off of everything. And that's

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where once you get to another

1:29:05

level, just the story,

1:29:07

just what I don't want to... but

1:29:09

just the fact of the story

1:29:11

gets as much push through because

1:29:14

the momentum is already there. So

1:29:16

yeah, I chuckled when I went

1:29:18

and, you know, a lot of

1:29:20

ways Steve got a little character

1:29:22

play. He told Logan Paul, go

1:29:24

to hell. I ain't doing, you

1:29:26

know, the almighty dollar. I'm not

1:29:28

bound to everybody want out of

1:29:31

the scenario. I want to

1:29:33

pick your booking brain and I want to ask

1:29:35

about what's next for Cody Rhodes. In

1:29:37

doing that, I also want to point out

1:29:39

the power rankings that have come out. These were

1:29:41

put out last week. I want to get

1:29:43

your take on this. Of course,

1:29:45

this is from Ariel Hawani and his

1:29:48

new Yahoo Sports Initiative, but

1:29:50

they did a Women's and Men's

1:29:52

Power Ranking. They show

1:29:54

Charlotte Flair on the women's

1:29:56

side, falling five spaces down

1:29:58

to eight behind Cargill, Becky

1:30:00

Lynch, Bianca Belair, Tony Storm,

1:30:03

Rhea Ripley, Tiffany Stratton, and

1:30:05

EO Sky. Moving up five

1:30:07

spaces. But over on

1:30:09

the men's side, John

1:30:11

Cena is on top. Seth

1:30:14

Rollins, Jey Uso, Randy

1:30:16

Orton, C. M. Punk, Braun

1:30:19

Breaker, Will Ospreay,

1:30:21

Roman Reigns, and Dominic

1:30:23

Mysterio follow. And

1:30:25

Ariel has Cody in at number 10,

1:30:28

suggesting that in

1:30:30

his power rankings. Cody

1:30:34

is ranked number 10 in the

1:30:36

wrestling space. This is after losing

1:30:38

the WrestleMania main event to John

1:30:40

Cena, of course. We didn't

1:30:42

see him on Raw the next night. We didn't see him

1:30:44

on SmackDown. I don't believe he's

1:30:46

going to be on Raw tonight. I don't have

1:30:48

any inside information, just a gut feeling. The

1:30:51

narrative is out there that he's

1:30:53

taking some well deserved time off. mean,

1:30:56

he's done so much press and so

1:30:58

much media. He's been their workhorse since

1:31:00

he came back from the pec injury.

1:31:02

So he deserves a little bit of a break.

1:31:04

But the question is, what

1:31:06

would you do with him when he comes back?

1:31:08

We sort of freestyled last week that since

1:31:11

backlash was in St. Louis, it made sense for

1:31:13

John Cena's opponent there for the title to

1:31:15

be Randy Orton. That is the direction they're going.

1:31:18

I don't imagine since that pay -per -view is

1:31:20

just a couple of weeks away at this

1:31:22

point, that Cody will have a spot there.

1:31:24

Maybe he will. But if he's

1:31:26

around for, say, the June pay -per -view. What

1:31:29

makes sense for Cody story next

1:31:31

if you were booking Cody Rhodes

1:31:33

Mac in WWE his return after

1:31:35

losing the title at WrestleMania What

1:31:38

would make sense for you? Let's

1:31:40

go under a couple of

1:31:42

assumptions Connie and I'm gonna

1:31:45

assume that they have not

1:31:47

lost any confidence in Cody

1:31:49

because I don't believe there's

1:31:51

any data or Again, I

1:31:53

I don't know and it's

1:31:55

all that really matters at

1:31:58

the end of the day. I

1:32:00

don't know the political set of

1:32:02

circumstances, if any, but that's

1:32:04

why I'm kind of preface it,

1:32:06

but you just don't know. With

1:32:08

that being said, Sena has stated,

1:32:10

so is Sena gonna carry it

1:32:12

through December? I doubt it. Where

1:32:15

do they want the most

1:32:17

views or streams, if you

1:32:19

will? I'm assuming Summer Slam.

1:32:22

And so I would give Cody...

1:32:25

So we got the May

1:32:27

premium live event and the June

1:32:29

premium live event and then

1:32:31

SummerSlam is July I met life

1:32:33

I'm talking out loud here.

1:32:35

I think that's the kind of

1:32:37

the cadence I think he

1:32:40

bringing back for the June and

1:32:42

on TV and he planks

1:32:44

his you know stakes his claim

1:32:46

that I'm getting the title

1:32:48

back and you got to run

1:32:50

one opponent in there that

1:32:53

whoever makes sense that We'll

1:32:56

call them the beatable heel

1:32:58

that has some credibility. Cody

1:33:00

wins that. And then he wins

1:33:02

at Summer Slam and we're off

1:33:04

to the races. And you have

1:33:06

a fourth quarter baby phase run

1:33:08

of Sina and count down the

1:33:10

dates and they keep counting down

1:33:12

the cash register with all the

1:33:14

merch. And he does his 10

1:33:17

to 12 week swan song on

1:33:19

TV. But I

1:33:21

think Cody, wherever

1:33:23

TKO wants the

1:33:26

most streams. You

1:33:28

put him in that event and

1:33:30

he is victorious. I'm

1:33:34

anxious to see what they do with

1:33:36

Cody. I imagine that they're

1:33:38

moving on from Cody. It feels

1:33:40

like he's got to have that redemption

1:33:42

arc in the comeback with with

1:33:44

John Cena. With that being said, they,

1:33:47

you know, it's subjective

1:33:49

and we're just playing armchair

1:33:51

quarterback and I mean, you

1:33:53

love to. Do that kind

1:33:55

of stuff. So is there

1:33:58

another kind of curveball in

1:34:00

here that extends Cody out?

1:34:02

Because again, Cody, a

1:34:04

boatload of momentum, it's not going

1:34:06

to hurt him to not be champion.

1:34:08

Matter of fact, the longer he

1:34:10

doesn't have it, I just don't know who

1:34:12

they're going to put that place. The