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1:19

Cassie. I'm Kagan. I'm

1:21

Christina. I'm Christina.

1:23

And I still have

1:26

my labia manora. Yeah.

1:28

Yeah. Congratulations.

1:30

Because you're young.

1:32

For now. Now, listen, I

1:34

don't have a lot of

1:37

meat in my sandwich to

1:39

begin with, so I don't

1:41

actually know if I would

1:43

notice. We are 28 seconds

1:45

in to recording. 28 seconds.

1:47

I feel like we have

1:50

to give the listeners a

1:52

little bit of back story,

1:54

you know. Yes. So for

1:56

context. Wait, you came in

1:58

so fucking hot. Like, wow,

2:01

so hot. Oh my

2:03

God. For our listeners,

2:05

I shared a video

2:07

from TikTok that blew

2:09

my fucking mind because,

2:11

okay, A, we don't

2:14

talk about women and

2:16

menopause enough. So

2:18

there's so many things

2:21

that we just don't.

2:23

didn't know and I

2:25

did not know apparently that

2:27

when you're going through menopause

2:29

or when you go through

2:32

menopause that your labia manora

2:34

starts to retract retreat

2:37

is the word she used which

2:39

was even more just like the

2:42

visual on that yeah but yeah

2:44

so we're talking about like

2:46

the inner the inner flaps

2:49

right the meat in the

2:51

sandwich as Christina So eloquently

2:53

put it. Yeah. Women don't

2:56

go through, like truly, truly.

2:58

No, every time I've seen

3:00

a tick talk about a

3:02

menopause symptom, I'm just

3:05

like, I literally am

3:07

flying blind here, because

3:09

I'm 43, so I'm

3:12

gonna start entering paramenopause,

3:14

which I didn't even know

3:16

about until recently. I was like,

3:18

oh, so we get a preview. before

3:20

we get to the main attraction. So

3:23

A, that's all new. But like, being

3:25

like some people. It's the part that

3:27

sucks from what I hear. That's

3:29

the part where you get all like

3:32

the weird fucking symptoms like foggy brain

3:34

or like hot flashes or whatever. Apparently

3:36

it can start like super young.

3:38

It's unusual for it to start in

3:41

your mid 30s, but it can't. That

3:43

happened to my mom, which is just

3:45

like, oh my God. Yeah. I remember my

3:47

remember my mom. Some people. get

3:50

like electric zaps. Like

3:52

they're like, oh, do you get

3:55

the electric ears? And I'm like,

3:57

oh my God. You get electric.

3:59

It's electric legs. So I

4:01

get like absolutely like some nights

4:04

like my legs It's like I

4:06

can't stop moving them. It's like

4:09

restless leg syndrome kind of thing.

4:11

It's like a but apparently that

4:13

is a Side effect or that

4:16

is a Perry menopause thing and

4:18

I'm like I fucking hate that

4:21

so much. Is there anything we

4:23

don't go through like Truly like

4:25

is there like, what else? What

4:28

else? What else? Enough? I watched,

4:30

speaking of Tiktaks, I watched Tiktok

4:33

where this woman, so you know

4:35

the guys that do the like,

4:37

they do the like, oh, this

4:40

is what a period cramp feels

4:42

like, and they like turn up

4:44

the thing. Yeah, but a woman,

4:47

a guy was doing it. He's

4:49

like, I've never done this to

4:52

a woman before. He's like, I

4:54

got it up to like 40

4:56

and she's like, like, like, like,

4:59

like, like, like, like, like, like,

5:01

like, like, like, And he got

5:04

it all the way up to

5:06

100 and she's like, yeah, I

5:08

can like feel it. But like

5:11

honestly, like on a real heavy

5:13

flow cycle, like this is about

5:16

right. And he was losing his

5:18

mind. Like he couldn't even get

5:20

it up to like 50 was

5:23

like fucking hump in a bush

5:25

like flailing. Yeah. Oh, no, the

5:27

men on those things start freaking

5:30

out right away. Like immediately. And

5:32

I'm like, you would not last.

5:35

A day. You would not last

5:37

a day with my period, the

5:39

way that it is, with my

5:42

cramps. You wouldn't survive it. And

5:44

I have said this since I

5:47

first learned about period simulators and

5:49

birth simulators. I genuinely think that

5:51

high school boys should have, it

5:54

should be part of sex education.

5:56

I think that they should have

5:59

to do it. One time in

6:01

class. I mean, they make us

6:03

take home that fucking crying baby

6:06

to try and prevent us from

6:08

having early pregnancies. So I'm just

6:10

like, they should make boys have

6:13

to do that one time, at

6:15

least, like once with the period

6:18

simulator and once with the birth

6:20

simulator. because I don't want to

6:22

hear you like acting like I'm

6:25

being dramatic about my period cramps

6:27

ever again right my life yeah

6:30

yeah no absolutely when it's like

6:32

women have to do that once

6:34

a month for like three or

6:37

four days we have to function

6:39

like and it's not just the

6:41

cramps it's the general like it's

6:44

the I'm like, is this going

6:46

to be a bad cramps period?

6:49

And we have to be normal

6:51

people, oh, sore titties? Oh, dude,

6:53

I'm carrying around some big jugs.

6:56

And when I have sore boob

6:58

period, because my period also is

7:01

like a roulette of symptoms. I'm

7:03

like, is this going to be

7:05

a bad cramps period? Yes. Is

7:08

this going to be a prior

7:10

period? Oh, yeah, exactly. Every month.

7:13

I'm like, oh. This is going

7:15

to be a headache. It's just

7:17

a nice little stew of bullshit.

7:20

A little bit of this, a

7:22

little bit of that, a little

7:24

bit of this over here. I

7:27

didn't start getting like lower back

7:29

pain as part of my periods

7:32

until I want to say the

7:34

last like several years just like

7:36

on either side of my spine

7:39

in my lower back will just

7:41

hurt. So then you're just like,

7:44

do I need to put the

7:46

hot pad on my stomach? or

7:48

on my back, like which needs

7:51

it more. So I'm just in

7:53

a nice envelope of bathwater for

7:56

the majority of my period because

7:58

I'm just like, this encapsulates the

8:00

entire region. You know what I

8:03

mean? Like a nice warm bath.

8:05

But yeah, no, I mean, it's

8:07

truly being on birth control that

8:10

gives me only a period four

8:12

times a year has changed my

8:15

life. Doing that every three weeks

8:17

for your entire life, especially if

8:19

you have an Demetrio sister really

8:22

bad period cramps like it's debilitating

8:24

it literally impacts everything about the

8:27

way that you you live your

8:29

life and we are expected to

8:31

just like suck it up if

8:34

you've got kids it doesn't mean

8:36

you like your responsibility stop you

8:39

still got to get that you

8:41

got to get Timmy to fucking

8:43

soccer practice so like oh yeah

8:46

yeah yeah no my two things

8:48

One let a guy get a

8:50

sniffly nose though. Oh, and watch

8:53

it like is there anything more

8:55

infuriating than a grown man with

8:58

a cold. Oh, yeah the worst

9:00

the literal worst Secondly, so my

9:02

my sister has three girls who

9:05

are 10 12 and 15 and

9:07

the middle one the middle one

9:10

has finally started so she's got

9:12

two out of three that are

9:14

on the period train with the

9:17

rest of us now but the

9:19

middle one they're like 12 and

9:22

you forget like how nuts it

9:24

is some people start at like

9:26

eight or nine so she's 12

9:29

she keeps showing my sister her

9:31

path to show No. That's unnecessary.

9:33

I appreciate that you're trying to

9:36

never get this. You know, and

9:38

as a mom. You know, and

9:41

as a mom. You know, because

9:43

you know, they're going through something

9:45

new, but you've got to kind

9:48

of gently discourage. Yeah. But yeah,

9:50

no, welcome. Welcome to the rest

9:53

of your, you know, like 40,

9:55

50 years of your life. My

9:57

girlfriend here in Hamburg, she just

10:00

had injury immediately, indometrial surgery yesterday,

10:02

and she's getting around okay, but

10:05

they were like, yeah, you know,

10:07

like here's an ibuprofen. Like, for

10:09

the surgery we just did to

10:12

cut out all of this endometriosis,

10:14

like, what? Oh, no, I'm so

10:16

glad that TikTok is finally bringing

10:19

awareness to how fucking painful an

10:21

IUD insertion is. Oh, because they

10:24

like to tell us, like, guys

10:26

get all this fucking medicine for

10:28

their vasectomy and that kind of

10:31

thing. And yet, we, we get

10:33

shit, we don't even get IB

10:36

profran. They're like, oh, it's just

10:38

gonna be a little pinch. It's

10:40

the worst. It's the worst. pain

10:43

ever. You know, that is truly

10:45

my trust and doctors diminished as

10:47

soon as they started saying stuff

10:50

like that. Like you're just gonna

10:52

feel a little light pressure. It's

10:55

just a little pinch and I'm

10:57

like never ever is it just

10:59

a little pinch or just a

11:02

little light pressure? Right. Right before

11:04

they do the most painful thing

11:07

in the world to you? Yeah,

11:09

you're cutting out part of my

11:11

cervix. Yeah, it fucking hurts. It

11:14

sucks. Oh, I know. going to

11:16

die. I was shaking. It's so

11:19

fucking painful. I don't know why

11:21

they think we can't like feel

11:23

that. I don't know what what

11:26

fucking male doctor wrote that we

11:28

don't have feeling down there. You

11:30

know what I mean? Well the

11:33

history of gynecology is really really

11:35

really upsetting. Yeah. So I mean

11:38

and yes of course it was

11:40

a man who like initially Do

11:42

they even feel like doing that

11:45

work? Do they? They're built for

11:47

this. This is fine. Well, I

11:50

think all the way up until

11:52

the 80s, they thought that babies

11:54

couldn't feel pain. So they wouldn't,

11:57

they would. do surgery on babies?

11:59

Well I mean the history of

12:02

gynecology they used black women in

12:04

large part because it like well

12:06

because they didn't think that black

12:09

people were people but also because

12:11

they had some weird fucked up

12:13

rate like racist belief that black

12:16

people didn't feel pain the same

12:18

way that white people did so

12:21

they could do whatever and like

12:23

you know experiment that way which

12:25

is just Being a woman is

12:28

fun. You know what, like, I

12:30

always think about that TikTok sound

12:33

where it's like, I love being

12:35

a woman. And I do, like,

12:37

generally, I do love being a

12:40

woman, but practically, with like, all

12:42

the shit that our bodies go

12:45

through and have to endure. And

12:47

then of course, societyally, we're taking

12:49

like eight giant leaps backward. At

12:52

the moment, things like that, that

12:54

we have to suffer through, rough.

12:56

But in general, I think women

12:59

are the best, most magical, beautiful

13:01

creatures. Yeah. Okay, okay. So, would

13:04

you rather you die and go

13:06

to heaven and then you have

13:08

to come back and this time

13:11

God's like, I'll give you a

13:13

choice. You can be a man

13:16

or a woman. What do you

13:18

choose? Are you going to do

13:20

woman again or would you do

13:23

man? A woman? I think I

13:25

would still be a woman. Yeah.

13:28

I think I'd still be a

13:30

woman. Like even knowing what we

13:32

know. I mean there's curiosity there

13:35

because I'm just like man what

13:37

must be like to go through

13:39

life? I would be a dude.

13:42

100% if I had a Capricorn

13:44

response you could get like yeah,

13:47

you know, it's it's practical There

13:49

is just something to me women

13:51

are so magical. Yeah, like I

13:54

love I just think like there's

13:56

so much power in there's a

13:59

secret power in womanhood yeah that

14:01

I love and like also like

14:03

the sisterhood you have yeah

14:06

with with other women and

14:08

also just like this innate

14:10

empathy that I think is

14:12

is built in from suffering honestly

14:15

I would just I would just

14:17

want to know you know what

14:19

I mean like I think my

14:21

curiosity I would just be like,

14:24

what's that like? You know, like.

14:26

Yeah, it's actually really interesting. There

14:28

was a Tik Talk series for

14:30

a while where trans people

14:33

would talk about their experiences

14:35

and hearing trans men or

14:37

women, but hearing trans men

14:39

talk about like how differently they

14:41

are treated and how much more

14:44

they're respected and listened to. And

14:46

then hearing trans women say like,

14:48

wow, it's such a trip to

14:51

have gone from. this world where

14:53

I was, you know, despite all of

14:55

the other, you know, issues that maybe

14:57

had come up, the other things that

14:59

I had to deal with in my

15:02

life that weren't always easy. Just by

15:04

nature of being a man, there was

15:06

a level of like respect that was

15:08

always kind of a benefit of the

15:11

doubt that was always afforded to me

15:13

that as soon as I like fully

15:15

transitioned and started living as a

15:17

woman, I lost. You know, you know,

15:19

so. But then on that's like you.

15:21

There's a lot of trans men

15:24

who've talked about how lonely it

15:26

is, how they're like, they miss

15:28

friendship. I've seen that too, yeah,

15:30

yeah. So I would want to

15:33

come back as a woman. There's

15:35

so much I do truly love

15:37

about being a woman. It's just,

15:40

along with that comes, you know,

15:42

a lot of shit we have to

15:44

put up. Yeah. I bet it would

15:46

be, I guess, I guess, I guess

15:48

it would be lonely if you were a

15:50

trans man. and didn't have friends

15:52

that followed you into that through

15:55

that journey. I think that would

15:57

be very disappointing and very lonely.

15:59

Yeah. But I mean that would

16:01

be difficult. I can't imagine if like

16:03

one of my friends chain, you

16:06

know Decided or you know felt that

16:08

they Were in the wrong body that

16:10

I would be like we're not

16:12

gonna be friends anymore. It's still

16:15

saying person right we wouldn't never

16:17

none. No one on this podcast.

16:19

Yeah Yeah, I don't know, but you

16:21

mean you hear that a lot like men

16:23

don't feel like they have the same

16:26

Connection to other men,

16:28

even though they'll have

16:30

close friendships. It's not

16:33

the same as female

16:35

friendships in general. That's

16:37

true. The patriarchy, exactly.

16:40

Exactly. This is why

16:42

we need feminism, everybody.

16:45

But, okay, with this said,

16:47

last episode, we talked

16:49

about succubi. There was

16:51

a date. Was it

16:53

Christina? Was it yours? Yes.

16:56

Yes. And it's my

16:58

future, future romantic book

17:01

to be released later,

17:03

self-published. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

17:06

yeah. So speaking of

17:08

women, why don't we

17:11

do like powerful fantasy

17:13

like female identifying

17:16

creatures? So we've

17:18

got like... Medusa.

17:20

I pick Medusa.

17:23

Okay, awesome. Okay,

17:25

amazing. to do mermaids,

17:27

I'll do mermaids. So

17:30

we've got mermaids, sirens,

17:33

and Medusa, okay.

17:35

Medusa is so

17:38

specific. Yes. Well, she's

17:40

actually a Gorgon, if

17:42

you want to say

17:45

that. A Gorgon. Okay,

17:47

sure. There you go. Yeah.

17:50

But we'll do

17:52

Medusa specifically.

17:54

Okay. Sirens. Luring

17:57

men to their.

18:00

eyes is that turns men

18:02

into into stones. Yeah, but

18:04

I don't think it's just

18:06

specifically men. I think it's

18:08

anybody. Yeah, that would be

18:10

a good relationship. But Medusa

18:12

has had a revival in

18:14

the last several years as

18:16

kind of this like patron

18:18

saint to rape victims. Yeah.

18:20

Because she was being punished

18:22

for being raped. I, you

18:24

know, there's solidarity if you

18:26

see a woman across the

18:28

bar and she's got a

18:30

Medusa tattoo, you're like, you're

18:32

a safe person for me.

18:34

I know what I'm gonna

18:36

do. I'm marrying Medusa. I'm

18:39

marrying a Gorgon. She'll keep

18:41

you safe. Power. Yes, absolutely.

18:43

And we would just take

18:45

different shitty people, turn them

18:47

to stone and build a

18:49

beautiful palace. Yeah. You know,

18:51

you just could never look

18:53

at her in the eye.

18:55

Yeah. It's fine. It's fine.

18:57

Yes, and I am going

18:59

to fuck a siren. Yeah.

19:01

I think that's gonna be

19:03

a good night. We'll drink

19:05

and call sailors to their

19:07

deaths. Talk shit. I think

19:09

they would be a fun

19:11

like talking shit. Yeah. A

19:13

fun group with. Oh yeah.

19:16

Yeah, yeah. I'm with them.

19:18

And I'll be friends with

19:20

mermaids because they remind me

19:22

of dolphins. But actually, I

19:24

heard that dolphins are like

19:26

kind of shitty. Yeah, well,

19:28

they're gonna- They're sex pests.

19:30

Yeah, yeah, they're just so

19:32

fucking smart too. So, yeah.

19:34

But they can be lovely.

19:36

You know, they can, because

19:38

they can develop deep emotional

19:40

attachments to other creatures and

19:42

to people. So if they

19:44

have a good emotional attachment

19:46

to you, they can be

19:48

lovely, but equally. They're very

19:50

smart. So yeah, I believe

19:53

they could be shitty. I

19:55

do want a dolphin though.

19:57

They're beautiful. I'm gonna marry

19:59

the mermaid. I just think,

20:01

what a magical world. Imagine

20:03

the Pisces. Yeah, yeah, and

20:05

you don't like, you don't,

20:07

but with the way our

20:09

world is going, I'm like,

20:11

I, I just, under the

20:13

sea sounds great to me.

20:15

I'm gonna fuck off. That

20:17

sounds awesome. Kew that song

20:19

from Little Mermaid, right? Everything's

20:21

better, down where it's wetter,

20:23

let's go. So I'm gonna

20:25

do that. It makes me

20:27

think about the guy who

20:30

was like, you don't want

20:32

your woman to be wet.

20:34

Like, I'm sorry, what? I

20:36

think that was Ben Shapiro.

20:38

It was. It was wrong

20:40

with you. Oh, your poor

20:42

wife. But yeah, so I'm

20:44

gonna do that. Also, there's

20:46

something about being that mysterious.

20:48

Where it's like you're seen

20:50

when you want to be

20:52

seen, you can confuse the

20:54

fuck out of humans because

20:56

you can just like pop

20:58

up and be like, what's

21:00

up? I'm a mermaid. And

21:02

then they'll be like, I

21:04

saw a mermaid and everybody

21:07

be like, you're fucking crazy.

21:09

You know what I mean?

21:11

I too think that that

21:13

is going to be a

21:15

fun fucking night. Like I

21:17

just think it's gonna be

21:19

like we're gonna drink a

21:21

lot of rum. I feel

21:23

like it's gonna be a

21:25

rum-based evening for sure. You

21:27

know what I mean? Just

21:29

like sitting on the shore?

21:31

I mean the hangover will

21:33

be bad but the night

21:35

will be fun and you're

21:37

gonna wake up a little

21:39

sandy on the beach and

21:41

you're gonna be like what

21:44

did we do last night?

21:46

You know like don't worry

21:48

about it. And then yeah,

21:50

I want to, and I

21:52

know people hate it, but

21:54

we fuck Mary Friends, but

21:56

I don't care. We should

21:58

just change the name of

22:00

this section maybe, but I

22:02

am gonna be friends with

22:04

Medusa. Yeah. Like, you know.

22:06

Like I do think that

22:08

she'll be a good friend.

22:10

She's gonna look out for

22:12

you. She's always gonna have

22:14

your back I would have

22:16

her back to Sisterhood will

22:18

protect each other. Yeah, I

22:21

Think that I'm going to

22:23

friend mermaids because I don't

22:25

want to be a mermaid

22:27

and I do not want

22:29

to live under the water

22:31

and I think that has

22:33

a lot to do with

22:35

people You know how I

22:37

feel about people not believing

22:39

in me or believing me.

22:41

Oh true true. Yeah So,

22:43

you know, that like triggers

22:45

something like, what do you

22:47

mean? You don't believe it?

22:49

I'm right here. I think

22:51

that I feel like my

22:53

the malicious side of me

22:55

wants to marry the sirens.

22:58

I feel very strongly about

23:00

you get to do karaoke

23:02

like every night. Oh, oh

23:04

my gosh. So rude. And

23:06

then just the power that

23:08

you wield with just your

23:10

voice. That's a, that feels

23:12

very compelling. Yeah. I, I'm

23:14

gonna fuck Medusa though. Because

23:16

here's the thing why I

23:18

can't marry Medusa. I am

23:20

the epitome of Curiosity killed

23:22

the cat. It would be

23:24

stone within immediately. 48 hours

23:26

dead. You'd be like, are

23:28

you sure that's what happened?

23:30

Let me try it. Let

23:32

me try it. See, it's

23:35

not gonna work on, yeah,

23:37

I couldn't, the temptation. Blindfolded

23:39

sex. Blindfolded sex, I feel,

23:41

I'm here for it. Yeah.

23:43

Yeah. Yeah, eyes closed, blindfold

23:45

on, one night, that's all

23:47

I can handle because I

23:49

surely would kill myself. You're

23:51

just hearing hissing, hissing, hissing,

23:53

the whole time. Truly. You

23:55

lift the blind, you wouldn't

23:57

be able. to make it

23:59

through the night, Cassie. You

24:01

would lift the blindfold off.

24:03

You're right, I'll probably die.

24:05

It's okay, it'll be worth

24:07

it for the experience. Yeah.

24:09

You know, I won't be

24:12

able to live to tell

24:14

it. It'll just be like,

24:16

just frozen with. Also you're

24:18

turning to stone in the

24:20

middle of sex. It's a

24:22

real hit or miss in

24:24

terms of like what the

24:26

face is going to be

24:28

doing, body position, you know,

24:30

like, oh, fuck. Yeah. And

24:32

then Christina has to have

24:34

that in her house forever.

24:36

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

24:38

Me too. You're like showing

24:40

you my o face tonight.

24:42

Oh my God. Have you

24:44

guys ever been with someone

24:46

who was doing too much

24:49

with their o face? You

24:51

know I'm gonna know I don't

24:54

think I don't think I really

24:56

like look that hard when that's

24:58

happening it is so awkward like

25:01

it is so when someone's like

25:03

that we a turn off it

25:05

it is it surely is yeah

25:08

when someone's just really like you're

25:10

like whoa Like, is the last

25:12

time you came, like, World War

25:15

II? Like, this is so much.

25:17

Like, it looks painful, or like,

25:20

it looks, like, what, Christina? Explain.

25:22

It's like, so, this has happened

25:24

a couple, I've had a couple

25:27

different experiences, where, like, someone's, like,

25:29

face is doing too much, and

25:31

they're like, oh, I don't like

25:34

that. Make that stop. And then

25:36

I've also had the silent screamers

25:39

where they're like, oh no, just

25:41

face, just face, I wish we

25:43

were videoing this so that the

25:46

listeners could see what just happened.

25:48

Okay. But that I do feel

25:50

like. I've seen that one. In

25:53

this vein, in this vein, dirty

25:55

talk. Have you had somebody go

25:57

too far or just like where

26:00

it got weird? No, I think

26:02

they don't go far enough. Exactly,

26:05

same, same, I feel the same

26:07

way. I love dirty talk. I

26:09

do too. It's so great. Well,

26:12

it's, when I was talking to

26:14

Eric about it, I'm like, you

26:16

know, I like it's subtle. Because

26:19

I feel like in order for

26:21

me to get, in order for

26:23

me to get, off like you

26:26

have to activate the brain part

26:28

of me yes agree yeah like

26:31

just touching me or whatever doesn't

26:33

I'm like okay or whatever but

26:35

I brain needs to be activated

26:38

in order to get at the

26:40

same time yeah it's like a

26:42

patting the head rubbing the tummy

26:45

situation yes exactly right at the

26:47

same time yeah and I think

26:50

that a lot of guys have

26:52

a difficult time with I think

26:54

people do. Like if you're not

26:57

comfortable, because it is pretty vulnerable,

26:59

dirty talk can be, but man,

27:01

if you're with somebody that you're

27:04

comfortable with, let that shit fly,

27:06

because it is hot. Yep. Have

27:08

you, have you been the giver,

27:11

the dirty talk giver? Oh yeah.

27:13

Yeah, same. Me too. Yeah. Do

27:16

you, I prefer it the other

27:18

way around, but I'm not, I'm

27:20

not opposed to be in the

27:23

person. I'm happy both ways. Yeah,

27:25

I'm an an equal participant. So

27:27

yeah, yeah, yeah, I like verbal

27:30

like in general. Yeah, if if

27:32

the other person is good at

27:35

it, like I think like verbalizing

27:37

during sex for me is a

27:39

turn on. Yeah, for sure. Yeah,

27:42

but like screaming over you. Oh,

27:44

no, Christina, we didn't need it.

27:46

Stop it. I told you no.

27:49

Well, no means no, Christina. Poor

27:51

Thomas. He's gonna be like, Jesus.

27:53

I know. I know. I know.

27:56

I think this every week, honestly.

27:58

Oh my god, well you guys

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28:03

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And we're back. Okay, I have

28:53

the tainted love this week, so

28:55

I will kick us off with

28:57

stories. This one starts off and

29:00

it says, I will take this

29:02

to my, this memory, I will

29:05

take to my grave. So, No,

29:07

you won't. You're tolling everyone. Yeah,

29:09

that's true. That's true. Okay. Well,

29:12

so this guy asked me out

29:14

on a date. He's cute and

29:16

I couldn't be more pleased. Everything

29:19

is decided and on the date

29:21

night we go out to the

29:23

chic but cozy restaurant. I had

29:26

the most wonderful time and I

29:28

guess so did he. Playful flirting,

29:31

laugh, sweet talks. We laughed, talked,

29:33

and ate. Finally it was dessert

29:35

time. Disclaimer, I have a major

29:38

sweet tooth so whatever unfolds henceforth

29:40

you can safely blame on that

29:42

fact. As fate would have it,

29:45

he got a call just when

29:47

the dessert was about to arrive

29:50

so he had to excuse himself.

29:52

And then it came. The most

29:54

delicious looking chocolate loaded yummy bowl

29:57

of goodness. It started melting away.

29:59

While I was waiting for him

30:01

to return, the brownie wasn't helping

30:04

either as it was hypnotizing me.

30:06

Oh God. Oh my God, now

30:08

I'm getting hungry. This kind of

30:11

reminded me of Cassie. It made

30:13

me laugh. Okay. And then I

30:16

had a Joey moment. From friends.

30:18

Yep. In case you've never heard

30:20

of friends. Okay. Yeah. After several

30:23

failed attempts at pleading with the

30:25

brownie, stop staring at me. I

30:27

gave in. Moments later, my date

30:30

appears, I hide the plate away

30:32

and put up my face like

30:34

nothing ever happened as if the

30:37

dessert was yet to arrive. She's

30:39

got whole thing. She's got chocolate

30:42

around her mouth. I don't know

30:44

what happened. He just smiled, took

30:46

a tissue, and wiped some chocolate

30:49

off my cheese. like

30:52

just the lack of ability

30:54

to control yourself at all

30:56

like you just like I'll

30:58

just have little taste just

31:00

like one little bite and

31:02

then you eat the whole

31:04

fucking dessert and then the

31:06

audacity to just be like

31:08

I'll just pretend like it

31:10

never came then the waiter

31:12

arrives with a smaller portion

31:14

of another dessert which he

31:16

generously offered to share with

31:18

me again how did he

31:20

know he had to order

31:22

another dessert unless unless He

31:24

saw me digging away into

31:26

the previous one earlier, swallow

31:28

me earth. But in my

31:30

heart, I'm not even sorry.

31:32

Nope. Nope. And hey, that's

31:34

a good, good date too,

31:36

where he's like, oh, look

31:38

at her. Yeah, that's okay.

31:40

Get myself with something a

31:42

little. It does remind me

31:44

of when Chris came home

31:46

from work one time and.

31:48

Dylan came out of this

31:50

room with chocolate all over

31:52

his face, but he knew

31:54

he was like did you?

31:56

Dylan Chris was like he'd

31:58

notice that one of like

32:00

the chocolate bars that are

32:02

like that he'd had for

32:04

like lunch thing was gone

32:06

and he was like, hey

32:08

Dylan, did you get into

32:10

Chocolate. Chocolate. Chocolate. All over

32:12

his fucking mouth. No world.

32:14

No. Go look in the

32:17

mirror. Yep. Yep. Oh my

32:19

God. Hilarious. Okay. So mine

32:21

is. This person says. So

32:23

I meet this girl at

32:25

an over 30s nightclub. I'm

32:27

24 pretending I was 30.

32:29

She was 30. What? Why

32:31

would you do that? It's

32:33

weird. Because he wanted to

32:35

get into the over 30s.

32:37

Maybe he's attracted to older

32:39

women. Okay, but you can't

32:41

lie to everybody there. But

32:43

anyway, okay. We arranged to

32:45

meet up again the next

32:47

day. I drive over to

32:49

hers on my motorbike. We

32:51

meet up and go to

32:53

this pub. Spend a while

32:55

having a few drinks and

32:57

stuff. She is like mega

32:59

horny for me the whole

33:01

time. Yeah, this is a

33:03

24 year old dude. Yeah.

33:05

We go back to her

33:07

house and end up in

33:09

her room, do all the

33:11

dirty deeds imaginable. All good?

33:13

Question mark? That's not a

33:15

fail. I hear you. Hold

33:17

up. I'm pretty lucky in

33:19

that I don't get hangovers.

33:21

I do, you're not pretty

33:23

lucky. You're 24. Yeah, yeah,

33:25

yeah. Just waits. I do,

33:27

however, get really, awful shit.

33:29

After a night drinking. Oh,

33:31

okay. As I mentioned, we

33:33

met the night before where

33:35

I had been drinking. I

33:37

feel my stomach bubbling up.

33:39

It's about 4 a.m. by

33:41

now. Yeah, you got bubble

33:43

guts, huh? She has three

33:45

female flatmates and it's so

33:47

fucking quiet in this place.

33:49

If you dropped a needle,

33:51

your ears would ring for

33:53

minutes. I mean, it's four

33:55

in the morning. Yeah, everybody

33:57

gets sleep. Oh, no. I

33:59

opened her door. Tip towing,

34:01

trying not to wake anybody.

34:03

I'm butt naked. The toilet

34:05

is one small step directly

34:07

across. the corridor. I'm sitting

34:09

there at this point on

34:11

the loo, feeling my stomach

34:13

just whirling around. There's this

34:15

funny thing I've since learned

34:17

about shitting. The quieter you

34:19

try to be, the louder

34:21

you fucking are. Yeah, it's

34:23

like a band-aid. You should

34:25

just rip it off. Just

34:28

go for it. Yeah, yeah.

34:30

It starts. And it sounds

34:32

like my ass is exploding.

34:34

Every time I try to

34:36

control and release just a

34:38

tiny bit, I'm making the

34:40

loudest fucking sounds you can

34:42

imagine. I tried turning the

34:44

taps on. I flushed the

34:46

chain. There's literally nothing I

34:48

can do to drown out

34:50

the sound of me shitting.

34:52

Well, and again, now you're

34:54

making it worse because now

34:56

like the water's running. Like

34:58

now they're hearing chains rattle.

35:00

Like they're like, what the

35:02

fuck is going on in

35:04

the air? And I can

35:06

imagine like if you're like

35:08

a female and you have

35:10

all female roommates and then

35:12

you hear this fucking commotion

35:14

in this bathroom. To like

35:16

walk across the hall naked

35:18

naked right? Put on your

35:20

fucking boxers you animal something

35:22

anyways There's literally nothing I

35:24

can do to drown it

35:26

out. It just goes on

35:28

and on and on Fart

35:30

splatter Fart my ass is

35:32

literally gurgling shit. Oh I

35:34

get up trying to be

35:36

quiet. It's just splatting Out

35:38

of my asshole now. Her

35:40

toilet is destroyed. I begin

35:42

to laugh to myself. The

35:44

loudest shit of all time.

35:46

Why now? Eventually I finish

35:48

up. I open the door

35:50

and take the tiny step

35:52

across the corridor to her

35:54

room. She is sat upright.

35:56

Oh my God! Of course

35:58

she is! Did you take

36:00

you to the hospital? Are

36:02

you okay, sir? Are you

36:04

okay? I think you better

36:06

go. She says. Me too.

36:08

The sexy time is over.

36:10

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God.

36:12

Especially if it's right across

36:14

from her room. I'm sure

36:16

the smell. Oh. Oh. Oh

36:18

my God. Like what woke

36:20

her up the sound of

36:22

the smell? She says, what

36:24

the hell did you eat?

36:26

I grabbed my clothes and

36:28

started to leave. She seems

36:30

to have a change of

36:32

mind all of a sudden.

36:34

You don't actually have to

36:36

go. But anyway, I get

36:39

on my bike and make

36:41

my way home in the

36:43

middle of the fucking motorway.

36:45

My bike cuts out. It's

36:47

5 a.m. I checked my

36:49

phone. It's dead. I end

36:51

up going to sleep on

36:53

the side of the road.

36:55

What the end. That's

36:57

24. No, that's 24. That's

36:59

the most 24-year-old boy story.

37:01

Ever. That is a hun.

37:03

That's bonkers. It's a 34

37:05

or 30-year-old woman sat up

37:07

met. I think you need

37:09

to leave. You disrespected my

37:11

house. Yeah. I'm sorry. Did

37:13

you apologize to the toilet

37:15

afterwards? into my whole house.

37:17

Like, okay, but if you're

37:19

gonna get back in bed

37:21

with me, I need you

37:23

to rinse off. I'm gonna

37:25

get you in the shower.

37:27

Yeah. Yeah, you, yeah. Wolf,

37:29

or something, something that heinous.

37:31

Yeah, because I mean, not

37:33

just the shit, but also

37:35

like, when you're shitting that

37:37

way, and I'm so sorry

37:39

to people who are triggered

37:41

by this, should have a

37:43

contact warning. But the splash

37:45

back. Oh, splash back. Like,

37:48

you gotta get in the

37:50

shower in the shower. In

37:52

the shower. Get

37:54

on your bike

37:56

and ride! Okay,

37:59

so. This story makes

38:01

me laugh. I don't hopefully

38:03

all right, it wasn't a bad

38:05

date for me It's just like

38:08

a fucking calamities It wasn't a

38:10

bad date for me, but I

38:12

was there to witness her worst

38:14

date We went to a botanical

38:16

garden and we were having

38:18

a good time with suddenly one

38:21

of her heels breaks off.

38:23

No problem. I take it straight

38:25

in the nail bang it back in

38:27

so it's least walkable Not

38:29

even 10 minutes later, the clasp

38:32

of her hand pad breaks and all

38:34

of the content spill out of her

38:36

back. Oh no. I'm handy. This is

38:38

a nightmare, you know, like if it

38:41

was me, it's like your heel breaks,

38:43

your handbag breaks, like you just want

38:45

to dissolve into the earth. You know

38:47

what? We're done. This is a sign

38:50

from God. I'm handy, but I wasn't

38:52

able to fix the clasp. So she

38:54

basically had to football carry the rest

38:56

of the rest of the time. So

38:59

we're laughing about the tough luck she

39:01

has had something small, hits her on

39:03

top of the head. There was an

39:05

elevated Japanese garden next to the

39:08

path that we were walking, so

39:10

we thought a little kid had

39:12

thrown pebbles. We ran up to

39:14

catch the kid, but as we're runny, I

39:17

see the top of her head and realize

39:19

it's not a pebble, but a

39:21

birdcraft on her head. Oh, no!

39:24

That universe is trying so hard

39:26

to be like get away. Yeah,

39:28

seriously. I didn't want to alarm

39:30

her. So I didn't tell her

39:32

about it and told her to

39:34

stop and come over. I grabbed

39:36

a leaf and wiped the crap

39:39

off of her head the best

39:41

I could. She realized what it

39:43

was. Not a leaf. Girl,

39:45

she didn't have tissues in that

39:47

handbag. Oh no. He didn't tell

39:49

her what it was until he

39:51

grabbed a leaf. No! She realized

39:53

what it was. It was mortified.

39:55

I'm going home. Also, a leaf

39:57

is just gonna smush it in

39:59

further. Just leave it where it

40:02

is. Let me go home

40:04

and wash this shit out.

40:06

Like literal shit out. I

40:08

couldn't help but basically laugh

40:10

in her face. I wasn't

40:12

laughing at her, but it

40:14

was so hilarious that I

40:16

couldn't contain myself. I reassured

40:18

her that everything's all right.

40:20

And sometimes shit happens. I

40:22

went on another date with

40:24

her the next week, but

40:26

she was so shy and

40:28

embarrassed that we just didn't

40:30

meet up again after that.

40:32

Yeah. Yeah, that's wise. The

40:34

universe said no. Yeah. No.

40:36

No. Nice try, but no.

40:38

God, that would be awful.

40:40

Like the way that I

40:42

would go home and just

40:44

shiver. You know, just reliving

40:46

like every little thing that

40:48

went wrong. And it all

40:50

happened to you. It's not

40:52

like it was. Calamities. Yeah.

40:55

Yeah, you can bond over

40:57

equal calamity. Again, that's the

40:59

universe. I like, how do

41:01

you not see that as

41:03

a sign? I'd be like,

41:05

literally, the universe does not

41:07

want us together. I've never

41:09

had a bird shit on

41:11

me. I've always, you know,

41:13

I feel like 90s and

41:15

80s movies really made it

41:17

same like that was gonna

41:19

be an issue. I feel

41:21

like people were getting shit

41:23

on by birds all the

41:25

time in comedies. Yeah. But

41:27

like, I've never had a

41:29

bird shit on me. It

41:31

is like, it's up there

41:33

on the top of things

41:35

that I'm really scared of

41:37

happening. I mean, it would

41:39

really suck. Like, yeah, on

41:41

the head, the face, yeah,

41:43

that would really suck. I

41:45

did, um, I did see

41:47

a guy in Ralphs who

41:50

had a pet parrot on

41:52

his shoulder. Shit down his

41:54

back. Yeah, like that's so

41:56

gross dude. It's so gross

41:58

like at the parrot adorable

42:00

like I get the appeal.

42:02

I'm sorry sir. You just

42:04

can't be walking around with

42:06

shit on yourself. Right, right

42:08

around food. around the produce.

42:10

Get out here. We actually,

42:12

when I used to work

42:14

at a restaurant, there was

42:16

somebody that would come in

42:18

with a parrot and sit

42:20

on the patio and like

42:22

birds are dirty. You know

42:24

what I mean? They are.

42:26

Yeah. No, they are. They're

42:28

great. Like they're so smart.

42:30

I love watching those videos

42:32

of like parrots and parakeets

42:34

and stuff like doing things

42:36

because I think they're so

42:38

smart and they're funny. would

42:40

never own one for a

42:43

variety of reasons, but that

42:45

is also part of it.

42:47

They just, there's shit everywhere.

42:49

Yeah. Somebody also, like later

42:51

that week, so it was

42:53

wild that it happened so

42:55

close together, someone tried to

42:57

bring their pet pig in,

42:59

and the pig had a

43:01

UTI. Oh no. It was

43:03

so stinking and it pissed

43:05

everywhere. If the pig has

43:07

a UTI, the pig needs

43:09

to be at home resting.

43:11

What are you doing? Leave

43:13

that pig alone. Also back,

43:15

Cassie, I don't wanna, we

43:17

don't, I don't, I don't,

43:19

I don't, I don't, I

43:21

don't want to explore that.

43:23

No, let's put that to

43:25

bed. Yeah, ugh. I didn't

43:27

think about that before, but

43:29

now, now I, sorry. On

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44:42

so I have the tainted love

44:45

this week. Man, like like Christina

44:47

was saying last week, I have

44:49

had just such a busy, intense.

44:51

couple of weeks. The year has

44:54

been what it's been. And so

44:56

when I was like trying to

44:58

put together what I was gonna

45:01

do for a tainted love this

45:03

week, I remembered an episode of

45:05

evil lives here that I'd watched

45:07

in the past. And I was

45:10

like, I'm gonna rewatch that episode

45:12

of evil lives here and tell

45:14

that story. So. It is a

45:17

little bit of cheating. Ironically, the

45:19

episode is called Cheating Death. It's

45:21

season one, episode three. But I

45:23

am basically going to retell the

45:26

story from there. There are other

45:28

sources that will be on our

45:30

website as well. But I am

45:32

going to tell the story of

45:35

Kathy Wilson and her unfortunate marriage

45:37

to Peter Tobin. So I am

45:39

going to go ahead and give

45:42

a pretty strong... Content warning at

45:44

the top of this. This is

45:46

not a fun story. This is

45:48

a really, really. upsetting story of

45:51

pretty intense domestic abuse and sexual

45:53

abuse. So if you're not in

45:55

a place to absorb that today

45:58

maybe don't listen to this one

46:00

or back out at any time

46:02

I will give another warning whenever

46:04

things are about to get really

46:07

bad. Okay so. Kathy Wilson when

46:09

I watched the episode of Evil

46:11

Lives Here She has told her

46:14

story on a couple of other

46:16

programs, but she doesn't talk about

46:18

it all that much. I do

46:20

believe she wrote a memoir about

46:23

her experience as well. And first

46:25

of all, I want to say

46:27

that I really admire her strength,

46:30

like when she is talking on

46:32

this show, because Eva lives here

46:34

as one of those interesting shows,

46:36

it's good, it's so well produced.

46:39

even though they do reenactments, which

46:41

I usually like, and I don't

46:43

love it here, but I think

46:46

it's done pretty well in general,

46:48

and their interviews tend to be

46:50

really good. So similar to like,

46:52

I survived, they're talking a lot

46:55

to camera, just telling their own

46:57

story, and that's really compelling, and

46:59

it is so obvious that she

47:02

is still traumatized. by this experience,

47:04

but she is so articulate and

47:06

she holds herself with so much

47:08

grace throughout this entire interview. And

47:11

I really admire that about her.

47:13

So she had a fairly normal

47:15

childhood, but said that around 14,

47:18

she discovered boys and alcohol and

47:20

became a bit of a self-proclaimed

47:22

wild. And by the time she

47:24

was, yeah, sounds about right. And

47:27

by the time she was 16,

47:29

one of her favorite pastimes was

47:31

getting dressed up in short skirts

47:33

and putting on lots of makeup

47:36

and going to the local bar

47:38

where she would drink and dance

47:40

with her friends till two in

47:43

the morning. Now I did look

47:45

it up because I was like,

47:47

this is in the UK. And

47:49

I was like, what's the age

47:52

to like start drinking? It is

47:54

still 18. She is still under

47:56

the age. where it's legal for

47:59

her to really be in bars

48:01

like that. But regardless, she would

48:03

frequent the bars with her friends.

48:05

But I mean, it really just,

48:08

it sounds like basic teen shenanigans

48:10

to me. Yeah. So one night

48:12

while at the bar, Kathy notices

48:15

Peter sitting at the bar, and

48:17

so she approaches him, she asks

48:19

if he wants to buy her

48:21

a drink. Now, like I said,

48:24

Kathy is 16. Peter

48:26

at this time so Kathy says

48:28

that she thinks that he's maybe

48:30

in his mid to late 30s

48:32

But when I did the math

48:34

like the math isn't really mathing

48:36

on that like he had to

48:38

have been in his she would

48:41

know better than me But he

48:43

had to have been in his

48:45

early 40s at this point and

48:47

she's 16 Now the age of

48:49

consent in the UK is 16,

48:51

but still you Yeah, yeah, we

48:53

don't like that And she admits,

48:55

you know, consent with another 16

48:57

year old, not with a fucking

49:00

40 plus year old. Yeah, I

49:02

mean, technically not illegal, but gross.

49:04

Right? Like, have you talked to

49:06

a 16 year old recently? But

49:08

Kathy, she doesn't mention her dad,

49:10

her mom died when she was

49:12

like eight years old or so,

49:14

and so she lived with her

49:16

grandparents. And she does say that

49:19

she was looking for, and maybe

49:21

even subconsciously at the time, a

49:23

mature father type figure in her

49:25

life. And perhaps that's what made

49:27

her gravitate towards Peter in the

49:29

first place. So he showers her

49:31

with love and attention and he

49:33

makes her feel very well taken

49:35

care of. And I think that's

49:38

what she was looking for for

49:40

somebody to kind of like take

49:42

care of her. And so she

49:44

falls for him immediately. And after

49:46

about four to five weeks, after

49:48

first meeting, Peter asks Kathy if

49:50

she wants to move in with

49:52

him. 16. And Kathy, she's she's

49:54

a typical teenager who thinks they're

49:56

more mature than they are. She's

49:59

like a grown-up relationship, like the

50:01

idea of playing house and, you

50:03

know, being a good partner, a

50:05

good quote-unquote wife to someone, making

50:07

their dinner and all that stuff.

50:09

It's all fantasy at that age,

50:11

you know, and she. eagerly agrees

50:13

to this and I put in

50:15

a parenthetical that kids enjoy your

50:18

childhood because we all do that

50:20

like we all like want to

50:22

grow we fantasize about playing house

50:24

I know when I first moved

50:26

in with my boyfriend when I

50:28

was 20 when we moved out

50:30

here to LA there was something

50:32

about like oh we get to

50:34

you know put up the curtains

50:37

and like it felt very Adult

50:39

and that's very exciting, but like

50:41

just enjoy being 16 like you

50:43

have the rest of your life

50:45

to do all the grown-up shit,

50:47

you know For about

50:49

the first month, month and a

50:51

half, things with Peter seemed really

50:54

great, but then he gradually started

50:56

to exercise control over Kathy. He

50:58

began refusing to let her go

51:00

out alone, and then he refused

51:02

to go out with her. So

51:04

he was like, you can't go

51:06

out by yourself, but we'll go

51:08

out because, you know, we loved

51:11

going to this bar together. So

51:13

he would go out with her,

51:15

and then eventually he didn't want

51:17

to go out at all. And

51:19

he started criticizing, you know, the

51:21

thing about her where she would

51:23

like to wear makeup and wear,

51:25

you know, kind of flashy clothes.

51:27

He started putting her down for

51:30

these things, telling her she looked

51:32

slutty, you know, and eventually she

51:34

found herself kind of wearing plain

51:36

neutrals, not wearing any makeup. Like

51:38

she's going through her photo albums

51:40

in this episode of Evil Lives

51:42

Here. And she sees a picture

51:44

of herself. and she says this

51:47

doesn't even look like me because

51:49

like you can see like I'm

51:51

wearing you know beige a beige

51:53

sweater and no makeup and and

51:55

in the interview as you know

51:57

her as an older adult she's

51:59

got purple stripes in her hair

52:01

like it's very clear that she's

52:04

this is more of like what

52:06

her personality actually is but he

52:08

kind of wore her down and

52:10

stripped that away. I mean, she's

52:12

a teenager. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So he

52:14

would exercise his control in other

52:16

ways, too, when he would leave

52:18

her work in the morning, so

52:20

she would meet him at the

52:23

door and he would give her

52:25

a list, like rattle off a

52:27

list that she would write down

52:29

of all the things that she

52:31

needed to do while he was

52:33

at work. So all the chores

52:35

that he wanted done doing the

52:37

grocery shopping, doing all the cooking,

52:40

etc, etc, etc, etc. So her

52:42

entire day every day revolved around

52:44

Peter's demands. And if she deviated

52:46

in any way, she would be

52:48

reprimanded. So she had no money

52:50

of her own. So when he

52:52

would tell her to go to

52:54

the grocery store, he would give

52:56

her a certain amount of money

52:59

sent her to the grocery store.

53:01

And then whenever he came home

53:03

at the end of the day,

53:05

he would scrutinize the receipt. And

53:07

if she had purchased anything that

53:09

wasn't... on his list that he

53:11

had given her, he would berate

53:13

her basically about it. So she

53:16

talks about how like one time

53:18

she purchased a lipstick and he

53:20

was so irate about it that

53:22

she never did it again. She

53:24

never purchased anything for herself again.

53:26

So the first time she noticed

53:28

that Peter could actually be violent

53:30

was at dinner one night when

53:33

she agreed to cook him one

53:35

of his favorite meals. It was

53:37

pork chops, but she's a teenager.

53:39

She's never made pork chops before.

53:41

And she said she was so

53:43

excited to cook him, something that

53:45

he really liked. Again, this is

53:47

like playing house, being a good

53:49

wife kind of thing. So she

53:52

goes to make the pork chops,

53:54

but she doesn't realize that they

53:56

need to cook longer. Like she

53:58

cooks them both, like both sides.

54:00

It looks like it's done to

54:02

her. And he. She describes it

54:04

as like he switches so fast

54:06

from being like totally normal to

54:09

freaking out he flies off the

54:11

handle he screams something about like

54:13

are you trying to kill me

54:15

you know throws the plate right

54:17

next on the onto the wall

54:19

right next to her face and

54:21

then gets up and leaves so

54:23

this is the first time she's

54:25

seeing like a kind of switch

54:28

and behavior yeah yeah mm-hmm So

54:30

she's cleaning up the mess and

54:32

no more than five minutes later

54:34

he comes back into the room

54:36

he apologized as it won't ever

54:38

happen again and Kathy is just

54:40

stunned and confused and she's but

54:42

she's like you know this man

54:45

really loves me I'm just gonna

54:47

try harder like I'm just everything

54:49

you know I'm gonna take notes

54:51

and try harder to be a

54:53

better partner to him. Poor little

54:55

girl. And how is she, how

54:57

does she still at this time,

54:59

she's still like 16 or? She's

55:02

like 16, yeah. I wouldn't want

55:04

to say she's like, maybe so

55:06

it's still like, I don't think

55:08

that much time has passed. Fucking

55:10

Christ. So despite her best efforts,

55:12

the abuse soon escalates. At first,

55:14

it's mainly verbal abuse. He would

55:16

demean her at every opportunity. Even

55:18

if he was just asking for

55:21

like a cup of tea, she

55:23

would say that he would call,

55:25

like he would be like, go

55:27

get my tea bitch or like

55:29

whatever, just like little things that

55:31

he would throw in there just

55:33

consistently. Because if you do it,

55:35

yeah, and if you do it

55:38

consistently enough, it just becomes like

55:40

part of the way that he

55:42

talks to you, you know what

55:44

I mean. So the first time

55:46

Kathy recalled Peter becoming physically violent

55:48

with her, which by the way

55:50

I want to point out like

55:52

throwing a plate right next to

55:54

your head is being violent with

55:57

you, but was so she served

55:59

him like she's taking this like

56:01

day after day, you know, and

56:03

maybe she's 17 at this time,

56:05

but she's still really young. Yeah,

56:07

you're still baby. And she recalled

56:09

giving him toast. And one of

56:11

the pieces of toast was like

56:14

slightly over. done and he made

56:16

some kind of complaint about it

56:18

and she told him to calm

56:20

down I'll bring you another piece.

56:22

So she says that to him

56:24

and again he turns so quickly

56:26

she's like he was up out

56:28

of his seat. so fast and

56:31

had his hand around her throat

56:33

and pinned her to the wall

56:35

so quickly and was shouting at

56:37

her in inches from her face

56:39

and telling her to never talk

56:41

back to him again or there

56:43

would be consequences. So that's the

56:45

first time that he ever had

56:47

like physically touched her. Sadly, like

56:50

so many abused women, Kathy was

56:52

determined that if she just learned

56:54

from this encounter. Like every time,

56:56

it's just like, okay, so don't

56:58

do that, so don't do that,

57:00

so don't do that, and that

57:02

won't make him mad. And he's

57:04

good the rest of the time.

57:07

So she's like, if I can

57:09

just learn from this encounter, if

57:11

I can just alter my behavior,

57:13

I can keep it from happening

57:15

again. Right? And that's like the

57:17

saddest lie too, because you could

57:19

continue to move. That's right. That's

57:21

right. Soon Kathy became pregnant and

57:23

she believed that a child should

57:26

have married parents and because in

57:28

her eyes he had only had

57:30

a couple of outbursts, you know,

57:32

it's only happened a couple of

57:34

times and they were always followed

57:36

by apologies and displays of affection.

57:38

She believed that marriage to Peter

57:40

was a good idea and the

57:43

obvious next step and so she

57:45

described herself as happy. on their

57:47

wedding day. And you can see

57:49

her, you know, pictures and she

57:51

was excited to be married and

57:53

to be starting a family. Then

57:55

she gave birth to a son

57:57

named Daniel and said that Peter

58:00

was actually a really loving and

58:02

affectionate father to Daniel. But and

58:04

that in the early days with

58:06

Daniel, the family was happy, but

58:08

it soon began to change. And

58:10

when it did, it deteriorated very

58:12

quickly. So first, he took her

58:14

car keys, telling her that she

58:16

had no reason to drive. So

58:19

now she's fully dependent on him

58:21

to go anywhere. He also monitored

58:23

her phone calls. So calls to

58:25

friends and family became less frequent

58:27

until eventually Peter only allowed one

58:29

supervised call to Kathy's grandparents once

58:31

a week. and was usually told

58:33

to end the call after about

58:36

two or three minutes. Soon he

58:38

began to not allow Kathy to

58:40

go anywhere without him. So not

58:42

to the grocery store, not on

58:44

a walk, not in the backyard.

58:46

He would go with her to

58:48

take the trash out. Come on.

58:50

Yes, yes. Because he didn't want

58:52

her talking to the neighbors. He

58:55

was afraid she would talk to

58:57

the neighbors over the fence or

58:59

something. That's so psychotic. Yeah, so

59:01

soon she began to not leave

59:03

the house at all. And of

59:05

course she's not happy with this

59:07

situation, but at this point, she's

59:09

just 19 years old, and she

59:12

didn't want to quote unquote, fail

59:14

at her marriage, which, yeah, and

59:16

have to return home to her

59:18

family. So she was determined to

59:20

just make it work, make the

59:22

relationship work. So not long after

59:24

this, Peter started locking Kathy into

59:26

the house. He locked her into

59:29

the house for the first time.

59:31

He had put a lock on

59:33

the door, and when he left

59:35

for work, she heard the key

59:37

turn, and when she went to

59:39

go test the knob, she couldn't

59:41

get out of the house. What

59:43

if there's a fucking fire? Like,

59:45

what do you care? You don't

59:48

care? At that point, break a

59:50

window. You know what I mean?

59:52

Like, not just if there's a

59:54

fire, but just, oh, you're going

59:56

to lock me in. Yeah, break

59:58

a break a window. Yeah, so

1:00:00

any time he left the house

1:00:02

at this point he would lock

1:00:05

her in effectively imprisoning her inside.

1:00:07

But this was not enough for

1:00:09

Peter. So because yes, probably she

1:00:11

could break a window. She could

1:00:13

find another way to get out.

1:00:15

So one day when Peter went

1:00:17

out a large man arrived at

1:00:19

the house and when he knocked

1:00:21

on the door, Kathy tried to

1:00:24

indicate to him that she couldn't

1:00:26

open the door. It was locked

1:00:28

from the outside. Then this man

1:00:30

pulls out a key. Unlocks the

1:00:32

door comes in. and says Peter

1:00:34

gave me a key. No. And

1:00:36

so she's like, okay, well he's

1:00:38

out, but if you want to

1:00:41

wait for him to come back,

1:00:43

I'll make you a cup of

1:00:45

tea, you can sit in the

1:00:47

living room. So he does that.

1:00:49

And she's just like, okay, this

1:00:51

is a little weird, but she

1:00:53

just went about her day doing

1:00:55

her chores, doing the normal things

1:00:57

she does. But soon became apparent

1:01:00

that Peter had hired. this man

1:01:02

to keep watch over Kathy any

1:01:04

time he wasn't home. So she

1:01:06

called him her minder. This is

1:01:08

her minder. So fucking insane. Yes,

1:01:10

it's insane. So he would never

1:01:12

make conversation with her. They never

1:01:14

talked. He just sat on the

1:01:17

couch in the house to make

1:01:19

sure she didn't do anything. She

1:01:21

didn't break a window. She didn't

1:01:23

go anywhere. She didn't try to

1:01:25

get out. So he was just

1:01:27

a constant presence in the house

1:01:29

all day, every day. Peter began

1:01:31

going out more at night and

1:01:34

staying out for longer hours. And

1:01:36

Kathy soon began to suspect that

1:01:38

he was having an affair, but

1:01:40

she was like, you know what,

1:01:42

whatever, at least he's not here.

1:01:44

You know what I mean? So

1:01:46

okay, I am going to give

1:01:48

another warning here for sexual violence.

1:01:50

So just, so you know. So

1:01:53

one night when Peter was home,

1:01:55

Kathy was lying in bed upstairs

1:01:57

and she heard the doorbell. which

1:01:59

was unusual. So she heard Peter

1:02:01

answer the door and then she

1:02:03

heard a woman's voice downstairs. And

1:02:05

soon after she began to hear

1:02:07

noises that sounded like very violent

1:02:10

sex. And not knowing what to

1:02:12

do, she went downstairs and found

1:02:14

Peter with this woman, she's screaming,

1:02:16

she's crying, and he was violently

1:02:18

engaging in sex acts with her.

1:02:20

And she goes into more detail

1:02:22

in the episode, but I'm not

1:02:24

going to, but I'm not going

1:02:26

to. But I'm not going to.

1:02:29

So she says when she came

1:02:31

into the room he smiled at

1:02:33

her and he told her to

1:02:35

sit and watch because this woman

1:02:37

was better at sex than she

1:02:39

was and she needed to take

1:02:41

notes of what she was doing

1:02:43

so that Kathy could do it

1:02:46

later. So feeling as if she

1:02:48

had no choice she sat she

1:02:50

watched her husband abuse this woman

1:02:52

in front of her and she

1:02:54

felt powerless to do anything about

1:02:56

it. After the first

1:02:58

time, this started becoming a more

1:03:00

regular occurrence, the doorbell would ring

1:03:03

earlier in the night and more

1:03:05

often. And each time, Kathy would

1:03:07

hear women screaming in pain downstairs,

1:03:09

but she didn't want to go

1:03:11

down because she didn't want to

1:03:13

have a repeat of that first

1:03:15

experience. So one night, though, it

1:03:17

was too much. She's hearing this

1:03:19

woman screaming, she's calling out in

1:03:22

pain, and she decided that she

1:03:24

wanted to intervene. So she goes

1:03:26

downstairs. She sees this woman crying,

1:03:28

Peter's being incredibly violent, and at

1:03:30

that moment she calls for him

1:03:32

to stop. So she tells him

1:03:34

to stop. He then grabs Kathy,

1:03:36

he pulls her into the room,

1:03:38

he puts her into the same

1:03:41

position as the woman, and he

1:03:43

proceeds to rape her violently. And

1:03:45

then he tells her that this

1:03:47

is how it's going to be

1:03:49

from now on. So at this

1:03:51

point, Kathy is being terrorized daily.

1:03:53

Every time he finds new ways

1:03:55

to hurt demean and abuse her

1:03:57

and eventually she works up the

1:03:59

nerve to confront him. So she

1:04:02

tells him, she can't live like

1:04:04

this anymore. She wants a divorce.

1:04:06

At the mere suggestion of this,

1:04:08

Peter grabs their young son Daniel,

1:04:10

runs to the top of the

1:04:12

staircase, and dangles the boy over

1:04:14

the edge 20 feet. Oh, Jesus

1:04:16

Christ! So Kathy is son because

1:04:18

Peter has never been violent towards

1:04:21

their son before so she's yelling

1:04:23

to please put Daniel down She's

1:04:25

like I'll drop the whole thing

1:04:27

just forget I said anything. It

1:04:29

was a stupid suggestion whatever whatever

1:04:31

He then tells her with their

1:04:33

son still dangling over the railing

1:04:35

that he will never agree to

1:04:37

a divorce He would sooner kill

1:04:39

her and then kill her son

1:04:42

So he puts he drops Daniel

1:04:44

on the floor and then just

1:04:46

walks away So it was at

1:04:48

this moment that Kathy knew that

1:04:50

she needed to find a way

1:04:52

to escape before Peter could hurt

1:04:54

her son because she's like at

1:04:56

this point, he's crossed that threshold

1:04:58

with our son. I know that

1:05:01

it's just a matter of time

1:05:03

before he snaps, right? So she's

1:05:05

being monitored all the time though,

1:05:07

so she doesn't know how she's

1:05:09

gonna be able to get away.

1:05:11

But then one day, Peter's rushing,

1:05:13

he's rushing to leave the house.

1:05:15

He tells Kathy, he'll be back

1:05:17

in about an hour and a

1:05:20

half. and he runs out the

1:05:22

door. But this time she doesn't

1:05:24

hear the door lock. So she

1:05:26

tests the door handle. Yeah, she

1:05:28

finds that the door is unlocked.

1:05:30

Still, she's like, the minders probably

1:05:32

on his way. He's probably around

1:05:34

the corner. So she doesn't want

1:05:36

to get caught. So she waits

1:05:38

another couple of minutes. And there's

1:05:41

also, I think a part of

1:05:43

you when you're terrorized like that

1:05:45

in thinking, oh, it's a trap.

1:05:47

It's a trap. Yes. Yes. He's

1:05:49

waiting to see if I, you

1:05:51

know, oh my God, how terrifying.

1:05:53

She does think it's a trap.

1:05:55

She's like, I feel like this

1:05:57

is a test. I feel like

1:06:00

he's waiting to see what I'm

1:06:02

going to do. So she waits

1:06:04

another five minutes, but then she.

1:06:06

she's like, it's now or never,

1:06:08

like I have to try. So

1:06:10

she runs, she packs her son's

1:06:12

clothes, she puts a jacket on

1:06:14

him, she grabs the few bits

1:06:16

of change that she's managed to

1:06:19

scrounge up in her time there,

1:06:21

and she runs out the front

1:06:23

door. And this whole time, she's

1:06:25

like, if he catches me, he's

1:06:27

going to kill me. So she

1:06:29

considers turning around to go back

1:06:31

inside. She's going to kill you

1:06:33

even if you stay at this

1:06:35

point. Right, but she keeps moving

1:06:37

forward, but she's so terrified that

1:06:40

she tells her son, she's crying,

1:06:42

and she tells her son, no

1:06:44

matter what happens, remember that mommy

1:06:46

loves you, because she's like, if

1:06:48

I get caught, he's gonna kill

1:06:50

me. So I need this kid

1:06:52

to remember that I loved him

1:06:54

and I tried to do what

1:06:56

I could for him. So somehow,

1:06:59

despite all the odds, Kathy makes

1:07:01

it to her grandparent's and begins

1:07:03

to reclaim her life with Daniel.

1:07:05

Still, Peter refused to let her

1:07:07

go. He's constantly calling. He's begging

1:07:09

her forgiveness, asking if they could

1:07:11

try again. No, sir. After weeks

1:07:13

of this, Kathy receives a phone

1:07:15

call. It's the police calling to

1:07:18

tell Kathy that Peter has been

1:07:20

arrested for the rape and assault

1:07:22

of two 14-year-old girls, and he

1:07:24

left them for dead. She knew

1:07:26

that he hurt her and she's

1:07:28

like in my mind I was

1:07:30

like he hurts me because I'm

1:07:32

his wife He hurts those sex

1:07:34

workers because they're sex workers She's

1:07:36

still somehow surprised that he would

1:07:39

hurt 14 year old school girls

1:07:41

who were just walking home from

1:07:43

school Yeah, look at my job

1:07:45

still in place right of course

1:07:47

he had and he was sentenced

1:07:49

to prison So as time goes

1:07:51

on, she begins to think that,

1:07:53

you know, like everything's going to

1:07:55

be fine, like he's out of

1:07:58

my life. for good and then

1:08:00

her aunt calls and says you

1:08:02

know turn on the TV. So

1:08:04

on the news is her ex-husband

1:08:06

Peter Tobin and the police were

1:08:08

saying that he was being sought

1:08:10

for questioning for the violent murder

1:08:12

of a 23 year old college

1:08:14

student Angelica Cluck might be cluke

1:08:17

but no one had even told

1:08:19

Kathy that he was on parole.

1:08:21

So he'd been let out on

1:08:23

the rolls for the rape of

1:08:25

those two 14 year olds. No

1:08:27

one told her which how scary

1:08:29

and dangerous. Yeah, right. And so

1:08:31

now he's murdered this this girl

1:08:33

and he's not in custody like

1:08:35

they are trying to find him

1:08:38

actively. So she's freaking out and

1:08:40

no one knew where he was.

1:08:42

So she's terrified that he was

1:08:44

going to come after her and

1:08:46

their son. And she was so

1:08:48

scared that she made a commitment

1:08:50

not to leave her grandparents' house

1:08:52

from that day until the day

1:08:54

that he was caught. She's like,

1:08:57

I'm not going anywhere because she's

1:08:59

like, I'd always have to be

1:09:01

looking over my shoulder at least

1:09:03

if I'm here, you know, entrances

1:09:05

and exits, right? So

1:09:07

while she's hold up in

1:09:09

the house, she receives a

1:09:11

phone call from the police

1:09:13

and they tell Kathy that

1:09:16

the level of violence displayed

1:09:18

in the murder of Angelica

1:09:20

Cluck is indicative of someone

1:09:22

who has killed before and

1:09:24

that her ex-husband Peter was

1:09:26

very likely a serial offender

1:09:28

and that they would be

1:09:31

searching her old home with

1:09:33

Peter for clues. as to

1:09:35

any additional possible offenses. Oh

1:09:37

no. So she is watching

1:09:39

on TV because there's cameras,

1:09:41

helicopter cameras of her old

1:09:44

backyard while police excavate the

1:09:46

backyard. And when they're excavating

1:09:48

the backyard, they find the

1:09:50

body of 15 year old

1:09:52

Vicky Hamilton bound gagged and

1:09:54

wrapped in garbage bags. Not

1:09:56

longer after that, they uncover

1:09:59

the body of 18 year

1:10:01

old Dinah McNicle. victims had

1:10:03

been abducted, drugged, and strangled.

1:10:05

And Kathy was even more

1:10:07

horrified to learn that the

1:10:09

bodies were underneath a sand

1:10:11

pit, like a sandbox. Where

1:10:14

her kid played. No. So

1:10:16

he dug this sand pit.

1:10:18

for their son, quote unquote,

1:10:20

but really it was to

1:10:22

conceal the bodies of these

1:10:24

these girls. So her son

1:10:26

was playing in that sand

1:10:29

pit making sand castles on

1:10:31

top of where these girls

1:10:33

bodies were. That's terrifying. Terrifying.

1:10:35

Jesus. Right. Peter Tobin was

1:10:37

tried and given three life

1:10:39

sentences for the murders of

1:10:41

the young women. Police are

1:10:44

certain that more crimes can

1:10:46

be linked to Tobin and

1:10:48

have made connections in the

1:10:50

disappearances and at least eight

1:10:52

unsolved murders of several other

1:10:54

women from 1968 onwards, though

1:10:57

none have been proven. The

1:10:59

youngest suspected victim is nine

1:11:01

years old. Oh! Oh! And

1:11:03

they suspect he could have

1:11:05

as many as 46 victims

1:11:07

based on his MO and

1:11:09

his whereabouts at the time

1:11:12

of the offenses. So of

1:11:14

course, Kathy is thinking like

1:11:16

all those nights when he

1:11:18

wasn't at home, like what

1:11:20

was he doing? Where was

1:11:22

he? Peter suffered, this is

1:11:24

a little bit, I left

1:11:27

this in because I was

1:11:29

like, it's a little bit

1:11:31

of catharsis here, Peter suffered

1:11:33

a heart attack, a razor

1:11:35

attack by his cellmate, a

1:11:37

stroke, and ultimately cancer while

1:11:39

in prison and died frail

1:11:42

and alone in 2022. Oh,

1:11:44

good. Yes. And his remains

1:11:46

were unclaimed. No one came

1:11:48

to get it. You don't

1:11:50

say. To this day, Kathy

1:11:52

continues to struggle with blaming

1:11:55

herself for getting involved, because

1:11:57

she approached him in the

1:11:59

bar. And staying with Peter.

1:12:01

16. 16. God. And for

1:12:03

staying with Peter as long

1:12:05

as she did. But she

1:12:07

tries each day to continue to

1:12:10

do right by her son and

1:12:12

to live life freely as herself.

1:12:14

So that is the story,

1:12:17

the horrible, terrible story

1:12:19

of Peter Tobin and

1:12:21

Kathy Wilson. Yeah, she's,

1:12:23

I mean, like, I would never

1:12:25

want to be with anybody

1:12:27

else of her again. I'm great

1:12:30

being alone. Oh, 100. Yeah, how could

1:12:32

you ever, ever trust anyone again?

1:12:34

I don't know. And you would

1:12:37

never feel like you could give.

1:12:39

I could never compromise on, I

1:12:41

could never live with anyone again.

1:12:44

I would never be able

1:12:46

to live by anyone else's

1:12:48

rules. I'd never be able

1:12:51

to make compromises that maybe

1:12:53

are even normal, quote unquote,

1:12:55

and other relationships. I never,

1:12:58

never. You know. horrifying. Well,

1:13:00

the horrifying story is the

1:13:02

other horrible part of it

1:13:05

is that power imbalance just

1:13:07

from the jump. 60.

1:13:09

And he knew versus upper

1:13:11

30s. It's like 40. Yeah,

1:13:14

that's yeah. You're not on

1:13:16

the level playing fields. Yeah,

1:13:18

I'm sure that's why he

1:13:20

tried to get her in

1:13:22

his house as quickly as

1:13:25

possible. You know like like four

1:13:27

or five weeks after they started

1:13:29

dating. He's like I can love

1:13:31

bomber for a few weeks I

1:13:33

can keep up this facade this

1:13:35

mass for a few weeks and

1:13:37

make her want to move him

1:13:39

with me and I'm sure he

1:13:42

could sense that she Needed or

1:13:44

wanted that security that father figure

1:13:46

You know and he knew he

1:13:48

could play on that vulnerability, and

1:13:50

it's just so yeah diabolical. Yeah

1:13:52

Yeah, I think what you said

1:13:54

at the beginning too rings so

1:13:57

true where it's like, you know,

1:13:59

16 17 You want to pretend

1:14:01

you're grown. You want to just

1:14:03

race out of high school and

1:14:06

out of your parents' house and

1:14:08

you want to make your own

1:14:10

decisions. But yeah, it's such

1:14:12

a good reminder of just

1:14:14

enjoy your childhood while you

1:14:16

can. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Yeah, because she

1:14:18

got it stolen from her. She'll

1:14:21

never, you know, get that back.

1:14:23

She was pregnant by the time

1:14:25

she was. 17 and like her

1:14:27

her childhood was really stolen from

1:14:29

her in the worst possible way

1:14:31

the things she had to see

1:14:34

the things she had to endure

1:14:36

My heart breaks for like all

1:14:38

those sex workers he brought to

1:14:40

the house like I cannot imagine

1:14:42

and for her the guilt she

1:14:45

must carry as well from like

1:14:47

what could she have done? Like

1:14:49

nothing like she had no access

1:14:51

really to the outside world to

1:14:54

do anything but And when she

1:14:56

tried look what happened to

1:14:58

her, but you would still

1:15:00

carry that knowing that that

1:15:02

stuff was happening Literally

1:15:05

right under your nose

1:15:07

downstairs in your own

1:15:09

house like fucking frightening Yeah,

1:15:11

frightening Well, I have to

1:15:13

tell you guys that I

1:15:15

am so excited about what

1:15:18

I am watching this week good.

1:15:20

Please write it up White Lotus

1:15:22

has started again. Yeah, I haven't

1:15:25

started it yet, but I'm ready.

1:15:27

My goodness. It is, first of

1:15:29

all, Parker Posey. I love Parker

1:15:32

Posey. Oh, I think she's in

1:15:34

it. She's like, Lucius Malfoy is

1:15:36

her husband. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

1:15:38

And I heard that they're like

1:15:40

North Carolina accents are just

1:15:43

like perfection. Yes. Can't wait.

1:15:45

They, oh my God, they're,

1:15:48

they're wonderful. Kerry Coon and

1:15:50

Michelle Monaghan and apologies, I

1:15:53

don't remember the third woman's

1:15:55

name, but they play a

1:15:57

trio of female quote-unquote friends.

1:16:00

that's so toxic. I'm like, it's

1:16:02

so funny to me because, you

1:16:04

know, I'm also watching Severance. Leslie

1:16:07

Bibb, I think. Yes, thank you.

1:16:09

Oh, I love her. And they,

1:16:11

you can always tell when writers'

1:16:13

rooms have women involved, you know,

1:16:16

or just like respect or love

1:16:18

women or get women, you know,

1:16:20

there's something about their interaction that

1:16:23

is so. I've been in situations

1:16:25

like that, you know, where it's

1:16:27

just like, oh my God, how

1:16:29

do you get this? Who told

1:16:32

you? Who gave up the secret?

1:16:34

Right. And also Walter Goggins is

1:16:36

such an effin smoke show. I

1:16:38

love him. Oh my God. All

1:16:41

right, I have to start watching

1:16:43

it. Yeah, like he's one of

1:16:45

those people who shouldn't be attractive.

1:16:48

Like yes he's another one of

1:16:50

those like if you look at

1:16:52

his face you're like it doesn't

1:16:54

make sense but then there is

1:16:57

something like weirdly sexy about him

1:16:59

so so hot yeah so hot

1:17:01

in this so yes definitely high

1:17:03

recommend the newest season of white

1:17:06

Lotus okay I'm definitely gonna have

1:17:08

to start that uh speaking of

1:17:10

watches we've been watching Reacher which

1:17:13

I super love that show It's

1:17:15

actually a really good season. And

1:17:17

they've been like, so the first

1:17:19

three episodes came out in one

1:17:22

day, and of course we just

1:17:24

strolled right through those, but then

1:17:26

they've been dropping them week by

1:17:28

week now, which is actually a

1:17:31

good thing, because otherwise I would

1:17:33

have just destroyed it in one

1:17:35

sitting. But did you guys watch

1:17:38

that before? No, no, but I

1:17:40

am actually glad. that they're getting

1:17:42

back to dropping weekly. The anticipation

1:17:44

of like, oh my god, Thursdays,

1:17:47

severance night makes me. really excited

1:17:49

or Sundays are white lotus like

1:17:51

it's nice to have that again

1:17:53

and then to speculate and wait

1:17:56

a week and be like oh

1:17:58

what's gonna happen it's it's nice

1:18:00

yeah because also too it's like

1:18:03

I think sometimes when I binge

1:18:05

stuff it's like great it was

1:18:07

so good and I'm so I

1:18:09

couldn't put it down you know

1:18:12

or whatever but then you get

1:18:14

to the end and you're like

1:18:16

By the time you have to

1:18:18

wait for the next season, it

1:18:21

like feels like it's been forever

1:18:23

and you're like, I don't remember

1:18:25

what I watched. Yeah, I think

1:18:28

it's smart. I think there are

1:18:30

certain things that should be bingeable

1:18:32

shows that often aren't. So like

1:18:34

for me, I'm like, Bridgeton, release

1:18:37

all of it at once. Fucking

1:18:39

great British make off, give it.

1:18:41

give it all to us at

1:18:43

once, you know what I mean?

1:18:46

Yeah. But then other things, like

1:18:48

prestige TV for sure, I don't

1:18:50

need or want all of severance

1:18:53

at one time. Like, you know

1:18:55

what I mean? Once a week

1:18:57

is perfect because there's so much

1:18:59

to like see and digest and

1:19:02

you know what I'm ready for?

1:19:04

Gilded age season three. Oh my

1:19:06

gosh, yes, please. No, we were

1:19:08

just talking about that on a

1:19:11

recent, recent episode where it's like

1:19:13

I need my low stakes. Yes,

1:19:15

like, please. It's got to be

1:19:18

coming soon. Yes. So exciting. I'm

1:19:20

really not watching anything else. Like

1:19:22

I literally, I'm, I don't know,

1:19:24

it's just reality shows. I'm still

1:19:27

watching like Housewives and like doing

1:19:29

my best to get through John

1:19:31

Oliver. Like I'm really not. Yes.

1:19:33

Thank you John Oliver, my news.

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1:19:43

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1:19:45

is smart, but also like just

1:19:47

concise and like, you know, a

1:19:49

little bit of humor. So I

1:19:52

don't want to die. Yeah. Yeah.

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and 4G LT may be temporarily slower than

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other traffic. Domestic data roaming at 2G speeds.

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Additional terms apply.