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what we normally do, we're going to get

3:58

right into it. We're going right. B. G.

4:00

Let's get it. Philadelphia Eagles

4:03

legend and icon. Five-five. Best

4:05

smile ever been around. I

4:07

mean, it's since you're gonna

4:10

see here. You'll see our guest today.

4:12

is a first round draft pick from

4:14

Detroit Michigan. He's a what the paint

4:16

and NFL man of the year nominee

4:18

prolific trash talker Pro Bowl the record

4:20

holder for most games played in Philadelphia

4:22

Eagles history. That's right. He is two

4:25

times Super Bowl champion and my former

4:27

teammate 92%er please welcome Brandon Graham! Yeah!

4:29

Yeah, baby. This is an honor, man.

4:31

I appreciate it. Honors all ours, B.G.

4:33

How you doing? How you living? You

4:35

know what? I'm living good. In the

4:37

facility every day, working out. I know.

4:39

Getting that, getting that, getting that, that

4:41

rehab and figuring out next steps for

4:43

real. Nice, man. So you, you retort

4:46

in the game, in the, in the

4:48

Super Bowl. Man, you're, you're an absolute

4:50

warrior warrior dog. for going back out

4:52

there and finding a way to make

4:54

it on that field. And congrats again,

4:56

I know we talked after the game,

4:58

but I can't say enough about how

5:00

fun it is to play against you

5:02

because I respect you so much and

5:04

how much is how much trash talking.

5:07

You're always one of the best competitors

5:09

and you backup your shit talking and

5:11

it was always fun seeing you on

5:13

the field, man. So congrats on a

5:15

great career, brother. Man, thank you, man.

5:17

It's definitely gonna be different, but I'm

5:19

excited for what's to come because as

5:21

you know. I could figure out a

5:23

way to try us talking this in

5:25

this in this in this area too.

5:28

Keep that time for the kids. By

5:30

the way, how the kids doing? Man,

5:32

you know what, baby girls doing good

5:34

gymnastics is is the queen for her

5:36

life. And right now, baby boy is

5:38

all over. He got baseball just started

5:40

opening day yesterday. That's what I'm talking

5:42

about. Yeah, it's cool. And he love

5:44

you know, he got. lacrosse he's playing

5:46

with second graders now he's in kindergarten

5:48

but uh but he don't like lacrosse

5:51

but he he is really good at

5:53

it so but he just don't like

5:55

he just I love that I know

5:57

what he do and don't like but

5:59

you never know it changes but um

6:01

to see him even though I didn't

6:03

grow up on lacrosse seeing how it's

6:05

played the rules and stuff like that

6:07

it's kind of cool to see him

6:09

do his thing and then of of

6:12

course flag football is a one that

6:14

he like because he's been around football

6:16

Nice man. Before we get to the

6:18

rest of this interview at B.G. As

6:20

we start every show off, everybody who

6:22

watches knows, all United States out there,

6:24

we gotta get to a little bit

6:26

of that. New News. B.G. Give us

6:28

a little, give us a little, give

6:30

us a little new news, B.G. New

6:33

news. You had a really emotional day

6:35

a couple weeks ago, right, where you

6:37

officially announced your retirement. I know you

6:39

said it before the season, you led

6:41

up to the season, knowing it was

6:43

going to be your last year, and

6:45

I've talked about this. I mean, I

6:47

feel like even him way through the

6:49

year, we would talk. I'm like, man,

6:51

you're still, you're still balling. How did

6:53

the family react to that? How was

6:56

that day? Yeah. So my wife, she

6:58

used to get on me like, hey,

7:00

make sure you write down little bullet

7:02

points for that day when it do

7:04

come, if it's this year or next

7:06

year, whatever, whatever year. But just make

7:08

sure you just writing down things, so

7:10

you can remember who's been a real

7:12

big impact in your life and all

7:14

this stuff. So I had notes that

7:17

I was just writing. Yeah. It helped

7:19

and man it hit me though like

7:21

how I hit you probably man it

7:23

just when I seen everybody looking back

7:25

at me and I knew this was

7:27

the moment where it was over. It's

7:29

like woo been doing this a long

7:31

time and just thinking about it. Oh

7:33

man it's it's you put all this

7:35

work in for these amount of years

7:38

and man it's like even from Little

7:40

League all the way up. So now,

7:42

it's like, man, this is all I

7:44

know. Just every off season, it's like,

7:46

man, I gotta get ready. I gotta

7:48

get my body right, get it right.

7:50

And now it's more of now I'm

7:52

trying to get it right to look

7:54

good instead of. That's my new motivation.

7:56

I got want to look good. I

7:59

want to be on the beach where

8:01

I could take my shirt off. Yeah.

8:03

Harry and all. Harry and all. But

8:05

look at writ with up. They don't

8:07

want to see these. They don't want

8:09

to see all that. That's awesome. Well,

8:11

you killed the speech. And not only

8:13

that, you killed the lead up to

8:15

the speech, you had the social media,

8:17

you got everybody kind of mouthwatering with

8:19

the Rocky Balboa statue over out by

8:22

the Rocky, the History Museum steps, or

8:24

Art History Museum steps. Oh, yeah. Oh,

8:26

yeah, you already know. You already know.

8:28

That was so cool. That was, I've

8:30

wanted to do something so Philly, man.

8:32

That was it. That was a Philly

8:34

thing where I was like, man, where

8:36

can I hang my cleats up somewhere

8:38

in Philly. And I was like, oh.

8:40

the statue, Rocky Steps. You know it.

8:43

For sure. And man, they did it.

8:45

They did it for me. The Eagles

8:47

brought the team down. We met out

8:49

early that morning at 8 o'clock and

8:51

be like, hey, we got an announcement

8:53

at 12. And it just worked out

8:55

so good, man. And that's how I

8:57

know this was the right, it was

8:59

the right choice. Because of course, I

9:01

call how we like, hey, I can

9:04

still cancel this thing, man. What's up?

9:06

That is that is something I definitely

9:08

wanted to ask you because I know

9:10

you said before the season it was

9:12

going to be your last year. But

9:14

you were playing so well. Yes. Right.

9:16

And like you're still you could still

9:18

play the game. Did you second guess

9:20

this at all? Like how I know

9:22

I know before the season said it's

9:24

going to be your last. But what

9:27

was it like leading up to this

9:29

decision? Were there moments where you're like

9:31

man? I think I might want to

9:33

give it another run or were you

9:35

like no I'm done? I'm gonna be

9:37

totally honest with you. I wanted to

9:39

give it another run because I got

9:41

hurt and I was like man I

9:43

got a I got a whole bunch

9:45

left that I can still do and

9:48

I was gonna really this year. would

9:50

have been the real last year for

9:52

sure if he would have kind of

9:54

granted that but he was like man

9:56

it's such a story book ending and

9:58

man that's what I said in my

10:00

prayer when I walked in I prayed

10:02

before I had went in the day

10:04

before I was like okay Lord I'm

10:06

a just I'm a I'm a I'm

10:09

a you just leave me on this

10:11

and when I walked in I was

10:13

like I'm gonna put it in his

10:15

hands if how we if we if

10:17

we don't come to a conclusion that

10:19

we can do it again we can

10:21

do it again. Like what you want

10:23

to do. I say man what you

10:25

want me to do. Because you know

10:27

my heart. You know my heart. You

10:30

know my heart. He was like B.G.

10:32

This is such a fairy tale. And

10:34

I can't let you. I can't let

10:36

you man. Like you gotta go out

10:38

on top. And when you say a

10:40

fairy tale, I was like, all right,

10:42

Lord, I'm done. I didn't even fight

10:44

after that. And so I just felt

10:46

like a weight was lifted off my

10:48

shoulder. Was lifted off my shoulder when

10:50

it. I ain't got to fight no

10:53

more because man I had this ship

10:55

with my shoulder for so long on

10:57

like just people like what you said

10:59

man like I'm a bus and all

11:01

that stuff I carry that every year

11:03

as motivation. to go out there and

11:05

make sure I'm working. But my family

11:07

for sure was, you know, my biggest

11:09

motivation. But that was one that I

11:11

always was like, man, how are we

11:14

not want to get rid of me?

11:16

And you kind of play, play that

11:18

game in your head. And that's why

11:20

you train hard and you go hard

11:22

and make them sacrifices that you know

11:24

that's hard to make, like eating food

11:26

and all that stuff, you shut all

11:28

those two times. Super Bowl champion, you

11:30

shut all those fucking doubters up or

11:32

anybody that had anything to say, man.

11:35

What made you love, but you gotta

11:37

tell you, you're Detroit guys, you're from

11:39

that blue collar, that tough area. What

11:41

was it about Philly, that year in,

11:43

year out, made you stick around? Because

11:45

it was always, I mean, it was

11:47

an up and down roller coaster. you

11:49

see year in year out you've had

11:51

multiple different coaches pulled through like what

11:53

was it about the city and about

11:55

this organization that really made you want

11:58

to be there as an eagle your

12:00

entire career well stripping that ball on

12:02

Brady man that made that helped me

12:04

out a lot of yeah I didn't

12:06

like in Philly at first man I'm

12:08

telling you like Philly fans was so

12:10

tough man and it just wasn't just

12:12

It just wasn't everything I wanted it

12:14

to be. But like you say, coming

12:16

from Detroit, being a fighter, not knowing

12:19

that, hey, this your first real adversity

12:21

is like, how you gonna fight back?

12:23

And so I think for me, having

12:25

like guys like Trent and having guys

12:27

like JP in my head, like, hey

12:29

man, like if Chip Kelly wants you

12:31

to play special teams, go play special

12:33

teams, be the best at it, man.

12:35

Like, no sense of crying about it,

12:37

because I used to be like, man,

12:40

I ain't never played special teams when

12:42

Coach Reid was here, and now I

12:44

gotta gotta gotta do this. It was

12:46

an opportunity and so I even still

12:48

use that story to date it for

12:50

the for the guys because man once

12:52

I once I really had my mindset

12:54

of man I'm gonna do it it

12:56

turned into something that I didn't even

12:58

know that it would turn into where

13:00

I'm on kickoff and them boys putting

13:03

two or three on me because I'm

13:05

running through the wedge and whoever was

13:07

the one that I ran through they

13:09

needed two people and so it became

13:11

that like you know and man it

13:13

was all mindset with that and then

13:15

I think it took took my career

13:17

to another level because I had some

13:19

adversity that I went through I conquered

13:21

that by my attitude and then look

13:24

look what happened man now they after

13:26

games like bg man our special teams

13:28

coach was like man you need to

13:30

block we need to go ahead to

13:32

block 55 on kickoff because he coming

13:34

down and running through. You know, you

13:36

better get you, you better get your

13:38

chest strap buckled up. You know what

13:40

I'm saying? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So.

13:42

I was about to say, you're an

13:45

eagle, you're an eagle favorite for a

13:47

lifetime now, man. You gave them happiness

13:49

that they never experienced in their life

13:51

twice. And you even threw out the

13:53

first piece of San Juan the other

13:55

day. Did you practice before you went

13:57

up there? Were you throwing the ball

13:59

around a little bit? They didn't let

14:01

us, I did one in Michigan in

14:03

Detroit. My only one I did before

14:06

I actually did that last week. And

14:08

man, no, they didn't let us go

14:10

in the dugout and throw. We just

14:12

had to, and I had the trophy

14:14

in my hand and I had to

14:16

throw it. So it made it even

14:18

like, man, we want somebody, we want

14:20

to get the pick for the trophy

14:22

and BG you got to hold it.

14:24

Because SACO I was like, no, I

14:26

ain't holding it. I'm going to let

14:29

you hold it. Because he was more worried

14:31

about getting the ball over the plate. So I

14:33

was like, all right. But no, I didn't, I

14:35

just, I just kept it high. Just kept it

14:37

high. There you go. And it floated it in

14:39

there. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's what I should have. Yeah, that's

14:41

what I should have. I decided to

14:44

try and throw a heater. You see

14:46

travices up there? From the mound. No,

14:48

you know, nobody should ever see that.

14:51

From the mound, like an idiot, yeah.

14:53

With no practice, when I tell you

14:55

I haven't thrown anything since my pick

14:57

in 2015 to the New York Giants.

15:00

I had like I was at I

15:02

just. I spiked it right in the

15:04

ground man. It was terrible. Oh man,

15:07

they laughed at you. Yeah, I got

15:09

my redemption though in Casey a few

15:11

weeks after that. Okay. I got a

15:13

chance to go back in Casey. So I did

15:15

it. I did it right in Casey, but in

15:18

front of the hometown, I felt like it's a

15:20

mo. Oh, yeah. I know that was. That was.

15:22

Yeah, that's the bad. Brandon, you're the only the

15:24

second defensive player we've had on the show

15:26

actually. Second defense alignment to alignment too.

15:28

Yeah, you and Chris Jones. Yeah, you

15:30

and Chris Jones. As someone who

15:33

has defended quarterback sneaks,

15:35

what is your opinion

15:37

on the banning of the tush-push

15:39

potentially? I think it's kind of...

15:41

I don't want to say soft,

15:43

but it is, because man, ain't no

15:46

way. It ain't no way. Ain't no

15:48

way. I will show my hand to

15:50

say, man, they need to stop this,

15:52

because we can't stop it. It's like,

15:54

no. Because if everybody could do it,

15:57

like, we know, you gotta have a

15:59

personnel for it. technique in practice and

16:01

like we do we just got a

16:03

good thing that we got going and

16:05

it's like stop it man ain't nobody

16:07

got hurt on it if anything you

16:09

know you come out from under the

16:11

under the huddle like oh man I

16:13

gotta I gotta get ready for the

16:15

next one but that's football though that's

16:18

what we do I mean it's big

16:20

grown men up front that you gotta

16:22

push and if I'm not strong enough

16:24

it won't happen but we got a

16:26

strong goal line and I'm sorry it's

16:28

it's a little soft in my opinion

16:30

but it got to get voted and

16:32

I hate that we hear you know

16:34

some that that that we created but

16:36

people don't like because they don't want

16:38

to see it because they can't stop

16:41

it. Let me ask you this if

16:43

you could ban one NFL offensive play

16:45

outside of the push push push what

16:47

would you ban? One play outside of

16:49

the crack toss get that up out

16:51

of there. Keep me in my face,

16:53

what? Hit me in my face. Let

16:55

me see. You know, I'm flanking. I'm

16:57

flanking. I'm sneak attack in the whole

16:59

time. Oh yeah, I know. If that's

17:01

the one, you just made me think

17:04

about it because, you know, you're the

17:06

one that come right on the side.

17:08

It's like, boy, how you gonna give

17:10

me like that? Yeah, I bet it

17:12

bet it's sneaky. You got a sneak

17:14

attack you, man. You are doing something

17:16

about. Uh, this is awesome, man. With

17:18

the Children's Book, baby. Look at this.

17:20

B.G's, A, B.C's.s. Oh, this is awesome,

17:22

man. Man, I can appreciate you. Check

17:24

your mouth, check you back. You know

17:26

what, man? Me being a family man,

17:29

me, uh, I felt like that was

17:31

right up my alley in, you know,

17:33

just got to talking about it with

17:35

some people and, you know, just wanted

17:37

to make sure that for me. that

17:39

I that I went out there and

17:41

just I wanted to add value to

17:43

the world as you know and the

17:45

kids is where where we at and

17:47

I felt like for me man I

17:49

just wanted to do some different some

17:52

that came up And my wife was

17:54

like, man, she was all for it.

17:56

Like, yeah, you know, this would be

17:58

sweet. Something that you could do. I

18:00

read to the kids every night anyway.

18:02

And so I thought this would be

18:04

just something that just would add more

18:06

value to the season that we had

18:08

on top of the person I am

18:10

that my kids see me, you know,

18:12

every day. And I felt like this

18:15

was a good opportunity for me to

18:17

add some more value to my kids

18:19

and something that they can look back

18:21

on and be like, you did that.

18:23

And so that was cool. That was

18:25

cool. It's awesome. But for the most

18:27

part, man, I think this was near

18:29

and dear to my heart with the

18:31

kids and one of my kids to

18:33

see some other than just football of

18:35

them dad doing something cool. Well it

18:37

definitely fits in line with Brandon Graham.

18:40

I could see a Brandon Graham book

18:42

coming a million miles away. You're a

18:44

great dad. You're a great father. So

18:46

this I can't wait. Can't out wait.

18:48

Check it out everybody. B. G's A.

18:50

B. C. It's gonna be out. May

18:52

knife y'all. May knife pre order now

18:54

on Amazon. Just type in Brandon Graham

18:56

book and it'll be popped up right

18:58

there. So. Appreciate y'all. Hopefully it helps

19:00

me with my reading man. I'm a

19:03

scrub. I can't barely read his day

19:05

and run down. You know what it's

19:07

gonna get better as you get kids

19:09

man you gonna want to just give

19:11

them everything that you got and I

19:13

know for you man it's gonna be

19:15

cool but make sure you know you're

19:17

ready when you're ready because it's gonna

19:19

slow you down a little bit. There

19:21

you go. In a great way. In

19:23

a great way. No, yeah, of course.

19:26

All right, that does it for a

19:28

little new news, man. Let's talk to

19:30

2024 Eagles, man. You guys didn't end

19:32

on a really high note in 2023.

19:34

So coming into this season, what were

19:36

the, what were the, are the expectations

19:38

always Super Bowl or bus or is

19:40

it just like, what were the expectations

19:42

coming into the season in terms of

19:44

in the locker room? What were you

19:46

guys talking? Well we was at the

19:49

lowest I felt in a while that

19:51

we've been especially coming off a season

19:53

after we lost to y'all that was

19:55

that was that was tough when we

19:57

lost to Arizona but coming off that

19:59

year we just had a it was

20:01

a lot of excitement coming back because

20:03

we had a lot of from that

20:05

team, but the lesson for me was

20:07

when you gotta replace coaches, that was

20:09

pretty tough because we had the side

20:11

come in, then we got some other

20:14

people that came in. And everybody, I

20:16

feel when you have a certain amount

20:18

of time as you know to get

20:20

everybody on the same page and to

20:22

be able to. as a decoritor to

20:24

come in, teach his scheme, and you

20:26

have to be able to pass the

20:28

message from coach to player, and the

20:30

players gotta be able to receive it.

20:32

It's just a timing of everything really

20:34

didn't fit with the type of team

20:37

we had and the expectations that was

20:39

coming, but I felt like that was

20:41

the lowest of lows last year when

20:43

we lost and then Kel's retired. And

20:45

everything got better. Yeah, well, well, well,

20:47

it was crazy. It opened

20:49

up some doors, didn't it? It opened

20:51

up some doors, oh man. But yeah,

20:53

it was a lot of expectations from

20:55

this year, just not repeating, you know,

20:57

from last year. And so when Vic

20:59

came, I think Vic was able to

21:02

hire. other coaches that he had that

21:04

was that he already was familiar with.

21:06

So that worked out perfect because the

21:08

the D. B. Coach, he came in

21:10

man. He already knew V. D. Line

21:12

coach coach. Clint new Vich. I mean,

21:14

watch is a great coach already with

21:16

us. So we've been together for a

21:18

while. So we already knew how how

21:20

to work with him. And then yeah,

21:22

man, it's about how you how you

21:24

how you working together and how you

21:26

working together and how you relate a

21:28

message and how you teaching it. And

21:30

how you teaching it was real tough

21:33

early on. And man, he was tough

21:35

as far as like he was like

21:37

source to me, which I like is

21:39

I'm not your friend. I'm here to

21:41

do my job. I'm here to do

21:43

my job. And then if we build

21:45

to that eventually, you break a man,

21:47

you know, and so I felt like

21:49

we was gonna break a man one

21:51

of these days and man, when he

21:53

came in saying some of the lingo

21:55

that some of the guys. say oh

21:57

man you know you know you knew

21:59

you knew you had him you knew

22:01

it because we was rubbing off on

22:03

him in a good way because he

22:06

was so tough man early on and

22:08

he just thought we suck you know

22:10

he's like man you guys last year

22:12

y'all don't work hard enough and he

22:14

said that openly but I think as

22:16

we got we gained his trust in

22:18

and his respect after as just going

22:20

through everyday life with him and uh

22:22

and by the end of the year

22:24

Our goal was to get him a

22:26

big smile and that was when he

22:28

held that trophy man. I got that

22:30

picture on my phone where you got

22:32

holding it up and smiling. Let's switch

22:34

it up a little bit to the

22:37

offense though. What was it like ad

22:39

and sake one from your perspective? What

22:41

was that? What were those first couple

22:43

practices like with a workforce like that?

22:45

Man when you see him hitting the

22:47

hole and just know like he ran

22:49

to the he ran to the zone

22:51

every time like every time in practice

22:53

he always run to the zone. And

22:55

so to the zone. I'm sorry. He

22:57

went to the to the end zone.

22:59

He finishes everything. He finished everything. And

23:01

they always got somebody in for him.

23:04

He finished everything in. He finished everything

23:06

in. find a way to break away.

23:08

See, people don't understand. When you get

23:11

running backs like that, that know how

23:13

to train for those big gains, they

23:15

know they have the home run legs

23:18

and the stride and the ability to

23:20

separate once they get the second level.

23:22

If they take that practice seriously, in

23:24

practice seriously. It just translates to the

23:26

game and I feel like almost every

23:29

single game he played we saw at

23:31

least one in the second half when

23:33

he had already ran for a hundred

23:35

yards and it was just so impressive

23:37

and sure enough in practice he's taking

23:39

every single run to the house. He

23:41

wore people down. I mean, the office,

23:43

like I got to give style of

23:45

his credit always, man, because it started

23:47

with him. He's the technician, as far

23:49

as keep standing on the offensive line,

23:51

making sure that, as Kelsey know, that

23:53

you guys are working the technique right

23:55

over and over and over. You can't

23:57

get bored with the details. And so,

23:59

uh... You see stout all the time,

24:01

just always on, always thinking next level.

24:03

And man, it just worked out so

24:06

much for him this year, especially at

24:08

St. Juan. He was the ace in

24:10

the hole for us that we've been

24:12

needing, you know, just because man's getting

24:14

him, you need a home run hitter

24:16

like that. And that boy was wearing

24:19

people out. Like you might have got

24:21

him in the first half and if

24:23

you did get him, that second half,

24:25

he's ready for the big one. Right.

24:27

Mm-hmm. And I can remember the Saints

24:29

game when you hit that home

24:32

run, going up the Midwell, you

24:34

know, it's almost like the same

24:36

track, play that counterplay, boy, woo,

24:38

them boys. I wouldn't want to

24:40

see, um, none of them boys

24:43

coming my way, like a Jordan

24:45

boys coming my way, like a

24:47

Jordanolota on a pool. This, man,

24:49

Dickerson, Jordan, Jordan, oh, my goodness.

24:52

Oh, that left side and laying

24:54

already a brick wall, is a

24:56

good one and we probably draft

24:58

one too but man yeah we

25:00

got a really good line cam held

25:02

up all the way through and I

25:04

don't see why we couldn't do it

25:06

again other than just staying healthy we

25:09

did have sake one on the show right

25:11

when he had been picked up

25:13

yeah and he did mention he

25:15

was glad he didn't have to

25:17

hear your smack talk anymore you

25:19

have to apologize for any previous

25:21

shit talking or what? Nah no

25:23

apologies man that's how I felt at

25:25

the time Hey, that's why I'll never go

25:27

too personal because man, I don't want to

25:29

be looking for me outdoors, but at that

25:31

same time, like man, I'm just trying to

25:33

get in your head, trying to have a

25:35

little fun while backing it up. You know

25:37

it. But Kelz, just know, man, you was

25:39

big, you was a part of that too,

25:41

man. As much as, yeah, you retired, but

25:43

everybody always was looking for you when you

25:45

came in and I think we added a

25:48

lot of value on just being in that

25:50

building, because being in that culture, because that

25:52

culture, is, is, is what. what we did

25:54

every day. All these boys do is work

25:56

and they work and they put the work

25:58

in and I think we build today. Man,

26:00

now it's just more about for us

26:02

just showing that love, having that access

26:04

to come in and I don't want

26:06

the hours of the coaches, but I

26:08

want to be able to add value

26:11

to the organization to keep it going.

26:13

Well, it's like you're reading the rundown

26:15

right now, B.G. Man, what was the

26:17

first season like with that? There you

26:19

go. What was the, what was the

26:21

first season without the guys that you

26:24

came in with? You were the, you

26:26

were the last of the Mohicans, so

26:28

to speak, with Jason and Fleish, retiring

26:30

in 2023. And you already know, you

26:32

guys share the same type of, of,

26:34

of character and desire to help

26:36

these young guys out. What was

26:38

it like being the last guy?

26:41

from the from the start that that was

26:43

there to show the the guys coming in

26:45

and to set the culture everything because

26:47

you need those guys year in

26:49

year out no matter if they're

26:51

coming from a different team you

26:53

could have those culture centers in

26:55

training camp and and early on in

26:57

the seasons to be able to you know

26:59

get everybody down in the right way what

27:02

was it like without Jason and Fletch last

27:04

year? It was different you know I would

27:06

see Kels so it made it made it

27:08

a lot better. But Fletch really didn't come

27:10

around as much and I think I don't

27:13

know if he was just not wanting to

27:15

be around because he'd be hunting you know

27:17

I know he loved what he doing But

27:19

you know she was trying to figure out

27:21

what was going on in August He was

27:24

doing his own thing. I mean he was

27:26

just doing his own thing and so it

27:28

was different because that's somebody who had his

27:30

locker right next to me the whole time

27:33

all the way until he was done.

27:35

So seeing someone else and Mojo, Moro,

27:37

Ojamo is a guy that I really

27:40

respect, man, I think he's gonna be

27:42

a guy this year that's gonna have

27:44

a big year too again, because, you

27:47

know, it's a lot of guys on

27:49

that bench already that I feel is

27:51

gonna add value to the team this

27:54

year, especially with milk going. Then we

27:56

gotta replace sweaty, but yeah, Flet was

27:58

a guy that man. I was

28:00

like, dang. We were really lucky,

28:02

because I think the Eagles

28:04

have been so well run for

28:06

a long time. For Jeffrey

28:08

Lurie on down, obviously Andy before

28:10

he left to go to

28:12

Kansas City, there was such a

28:14

culture established when we got

28:16

there. Whether it was Trent Cole,

28:19

JP, Brent Selick, Jason Avant,

28:21

the Eagles have always done a

28:23

great job of keeping guys

28:25

around specifically for that, I think.

28:27

And everybody does it in

28:29

their own way. Some guys are gonna

28:31

be more vocal, like, hey, this is

28:33

stupid. I don't know why we're doing this.

28:35

This is the dumbest thing in the

28:37

world. And you need the other guys to

28:39

be like, hey, let's just do it

28:41

for a little bit. We're just gonna do

28:43

it today. And then we'll see how

28:45

it goes. You know I mean? just gonna

28:47

our jobs, but I'm dead serious. If

28:49

you never get that side of somebody voice

28:51

in that, then nothing really gets

28:53

changed. It needs to get changed. So the more

28:55

I used to, like, early in my career similar

28:57

to you, I didn't really understand it. I was

28:59

like, man, can we just go out here and

29:01

do our thing? And then the older you get,

29:03

the more you realize, like, oh no, it's good

29:06

to voice that stuff a lot of the times.

29:08

Because not only are they feeling it, other people

29:10

in the team are feeling it, but they can't

29:12

voice it because they're not the big guys, the

29:14

big names. You know what I mean? Yep, yep.

29:16

I got a quick story. My first

29:19

seven years in the league, we always

29:21

sat in the back of the plane. And

29:23

it just, it was what it was. You

29:25

know mean? The coaches stay up late. They

29:27

got to get ready for the next game

29:29

plan. The plane didn't have like the big, it

29:31

wasn't enormous plane where there were

29:34

multiple rows of like first class. For

29:36

whatever reason, my guy Carlos Dunlop

29:38

comes in from Cincinnati and he makes

29:40

his way to Kansas City. At

29:42

this point in his career, I think

29:44

he's like a 10 plus, 13

29:46

plus year vet. Oh yeah. Proving, does

29:48

things the right way, talks to

29:50

people the right way, he comes in

29:53

and says, what are we sitting

29:55

in the back of the plane for?

29:57

Man, you are, we got to

29:59

say something about. this, say I'm not, I'm

30:01

too old to be sitting in the back

30:03

of the plane, like, let's not, oh, we

30:05

gotta go ahead, we gotta make, I'm

30:07

just, I'm like, man, listen, Carla, we

30:10

can choose our battles here. Right,

30:12

right, right, right. That's not, man,

30:14

the next week, he talked to

30:16

somebody in the organization and the

30:18

next week, we were all sent

30:21

up at first class. This is

30:23

pretty nice! That's nice! Tell you

30:25

what, the Eagles aren't going to

30:27

be happy about hearing this because

30:29

the Eagles still don't, everybody's still

30:31

in the back right there. Everybody.

30:34

And who used to complain about

30:36

it? Myself? Big Flets. Big Flets

30:38

was the man one. Flets is the

30:40

man. I got to get Flets is...

30:42

He's right! He's stupid. Why the heck

30:44

are the players in the back of

30:46

the play. Especially when you've got... 300 pound,

30:48

you know, six, seven, six, nine, a whole big, yeah, all

30:51

these big offers, defensive lineman, man, let him get some, let

30:53

him at least, let him at least get a seat they

30:55

could fit in, man. How the trainers up here, what? Like,

30:57

you know, like, I'm telling you, man, I used to not

30:59

walk up, I used to always get out the back because

31:01

I never wanted to watch, we'll go to the front, because

31:03

it'd be like, man, all these coaches, eating all these

31:05

coaches, eating all this emminems, and stuff like, like,

31:07

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

31:09

like, they did, they did, they did, they did,

31:11

they did, they did, they did, they did, they

31:13

did, they did, they did, they did, they did,

31:15

they did, they did, they did, they did, they

31:17

did, they did, they did, they did, they did,

31:19

they did, You know, man, but for real, Chip

31:22

Kelly, one thing I could say, well, the one

31:24

thing Chip Kelly had right, that boy got us

31:26

in the front boy, he was like, we are,

31:28

we are our coaches, they're the players, and it

31:30

was like, yeah, everything else was like, all right,

31:32

coach. Yeah, you got to finish, you know, I

31:34

did want to say before we moved on,

31:36

that is one thing that I really like,

31:38

and I'm sure you're going to enjoy too,

31:40

too, B, B, B, B, is. You know we

31:43

had the guys that we inherited it from

31:45

with with Trent and JP and Avon and

31:47

selling all those guys. Yeah. Now it's really

31:49

fun for me watching a guy like join

31:51

him a lot of take another step as

31:53

a leader you know they already got Lane

31:55

Johnson that room but you get to see

31:57

these young guys and you already mentioned morrow

31:59

right. Like a guy that comes to

32:01

work and you're starting to see all

32:03

these guys that are now going to

32:05

be replacing the backbone of the leaders

32:07

in those in the locker room. And

32:09

that's something I love seeing every single

32:11

day now. I love that man. You're

32:14

right, because I am going to because

32:16

that's my biggest question. Like man, who's

32:18

going to step up in a big

32:20

way this year? I mean, I know

32:22

Nolan. I already be talking with him.

32:24

We always, you know, you know, conversing.

32:26

I'm like man it went from my

32:28

not even my room because I felt

32:30

I want a sweaty to feel not

32:32

depression I want him to be able

32:34

to voice his opinion be out there

32:36

man it's your room man like I'm

32:38

just here yeah I'm the vet but

32:40

if you need me I'm here but

32:42

we listening to you we seeing you

32:44

every day because you the starter this

32:46

show your team and now I'm knowing

32:48

it's like man you that you the

32:50

you the one when the guys come

32:52

in he stepped up to me he

32:54

did man I'm proud man I'm proud

32:56

of strides a lot of strides man

32:58

I'm proud of strides man he was

33:00

he was he was Interesting, because the

33:02

play in the run was always the

33:05

knock. He's like, he's lighter and how's

33:07

he gonna do it? And man, he

33:09

would cut pulling tackles trying to kick

33:11

him out. He's got heavy hands, man.

33:13

He's setting the edge. Oh, he got

33:15

heavy hands. And I mean, no gloves

33:17

too. Like, that's the thing, man. I

33:19

got much respect. Put some gloves on.

33:21

Put some gloves on, I ain't got

33:23

no respect. Why are you, why are

33:25

you, why are you not wearing the

33:27

gloves? Who are you trying to impress?

33:29

Oh no. Your hands are gonna work

33:31

just as good with them gloves on.

33:33

And they're gonna, like, I don't know.

33:35

You're right, you're right, because you get

33:37

to. I don't like, I don't like

33:39

this, like, oh, I'm too cool, I

33:41

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37:00

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37:02

No, I only met with them 15

37:04

minutes, man. That was at the combine

37:06

and at the hotel where they had

37:08

all the meetings at one point, but

37:10

I think it's different, they said now.

37:12

But yeah, I was just 15 minutes,

37:14

Matt McDermott, I mean, Sean McDermott, and

37:17

then it was Coach Reed. I remember

37:19

them going over my Iowa game because

37:21

that was a big game of the

37:23

year. We was going through a different

37:25

place and that that I may, I

37:27

think I probably had like three, two

37:29

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37:31

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37:34

we lost but it came down to

37:36

the last, to the end and just

37:38

had a big game and so it

37:40

was cool, talk with them and then

37:42

that was it. How was that 15-minute

37:44

meeting with Coach Reed? It was intimidating,

37:46

man, because you know, as you know,

37:48

that big, that big old, like, that

37:50

big mustache. Not smiling

37:52

at all. Like, man, even when I

37:55

got in the league, it was like,

37:57

man, he didn't talk to us like.

37:59

for real unless you was just a guy

38:02

that just went on made plays and as

38:04

I continued like by my third year he

38:06

started to say little things like great like

38:08

great job like you know you can see

38:11

his excitement when people made plays like how

38:13

I would see it with like shady like

38:15

the offensive side always would get that out

38:17

of him especially on offense but on defense

38:20

you had to really work to get that

38:22

get that from but yeah coach read he

38:24

was tough man and I see him now

38:26

with y'all and I love that he got

38:29

a ring finally man because well a couple

38:31

now but more than a couple but you

38:33

know what I mean like when he was

38:35

here he would always get before he got

38:37

stopped at the door you know went through

38:40

some some garbage man at the end of

38:42

his stuff but the reward was so much

38:44

greater losing his son and all that man

38:46

being there for that and being there for

38:49

him during that time during that's where I

38:51

had to walk up on them and grab

38:53

them at the end because I had to

38:55

pay the respect for one I didn't want

38:58

to run in that moment because as much

39:00

as I wanted to go to that locker

39:02

room boy and not just that people up

39:04

I had to eat it and be like

39:06

you know what be it be a professional

39:09

man go out and give because when your

39:11

time come you gonna want the same thing

39:13

and so. when to come talk to coach,

39:15

talk to you, talk to Frank Clark at

39:18

the time, because you know he went to

39:20

Michigan. And I just, and I feel good

39:22

man, even at that party, it made me

39:24

feel a lot better talking it out with

39:27

the team and what went wrong. And I

39:29

hope you went to the party. If not,

39:31

it's all good, but it just was refreshing.

39:33

After we talked about it and it didn't

39:36

feel so bad after we lost, but I

39:38

was so happy for Coach Reid, though, man,

39:40

because he, as you know, he, he, he,

39:42

he, he's, he's a list, he's a list

39:44

coach, he's a list coach, he's a list

39:47

coach, he, he, he, he, he, he, he's

39:49

a list coach, he, he, he, he, he,

39:51

he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,

39:53

he, he, he's a, he, he, he's a,

39:56

he, he, he's a, he, he you know,

39:58

you gonna miss when he's gone. There's this

40:00

human being right there. What does Andy even

40:02

ask a D. Liman in an interview? Can

40:05

you remember? I mean, I know it was

40:07

15, 16 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, what did

40:09

he ask much or was it mostly McDermott

40:11

in the in the D. Line coaches? know

40:13

that it was mostly McDermott mostly McDermott talking

40:16

uh coach read just probably was just sitting

40:18

back just kind of watching and then when

40:20

I remember when I left Like he just

40:22

was talking you know like low-high he talked

40:25

he wasn't like it wasn't no excitement it

40:27

was all serious in that at the time

40:29

for me man you know me coming in

40:31

and I was like what up going hey

40:34

y'all hey you know that all that but

40:36

it wasn't it wasn't as many smiles as

40:38

much as it was smiles on draft day

40:40

when they drafted me they was just asking

40:42

me about you know my stuff that I

40:45

think I think uh We was more of

40:47

the topic at one point in college, you

40:49

know, just talking about the smoking and all

40:51

that stuff. But I didn't really have no

40:54

off-the-field stuff in college. It was, I think

40:56

I had a, what was it, one disorderly

40:58

conduct for my speakers in my car, you

41:00

know, stuff like that. I think that's what

41:03

they... That's nothing. Yeah, just being disruptive. Like,

41:05

it was one of them. I had to

41:07

answer to... I'm a coach, I like that.

41:09

I like that. I like that. I want

41:12

my people to be disrupt. Yeah. Yeah. So,

41:14

you know, we talked about that. Ah, yeah.

41:16

And then we talked about that's it. I'm

41:18

just being honest. If somebody comes to me

41:20

and they are, I got two defense events.

41:23

They run the exact same speeds, same times.

41:25

and the only other information they give me

41:27

is like one of them never really talks

41:29

and it's super quiet and the other one

41:32

is super disruptive I'm taking the disruptive give

41:34

me the disruptive give me that one he

41:36

got some aggression boy he ready yeah got

41:38

a fire in his belly I like it

41:41

uh-huh you were you were already you were

41:43

already in an eagle's uniform but what what

41:45

was your first impression of when Jason Kelsey

41:47

got on the team First impression. Can you

41:49

remember your first time being like, who the

41:52

fuck is this guy? It was the entire

41:54

season. Well, you know what? That hair. It's

41:56

that hair. The hair. Had the long hair.

41:58

You know, he was, he wasn't there. Flowing

42:01

out the helmet. Like cap on. He had

42:03

the cap on. And then we had, uh,

42:05

who we had. We had mud, huh? Mud

42:07

at that time. Our mud, yeah. Our mud.

42:10

Danny Watkins? Yeah, Danny Watkins? Fireman, with the

42:12

fireman. Danny definitely was not at, I mean,

42:14

he was there more than he was playing,

42:16

playing football for real. I got much respect

42:19

with Danny though. He used it, man. He

42:21

used it. at the end of the day

42:23

danny just he wanted to be a fireman

42:25

instead of a football player more like you

42:27

know i mean there ain't nothing wrong with

42:30

that i respect it i respect it

42:32

now it's pretty crazy he got drafted

42:34

in the first round and then but

42:36

yeah having that mentality but uh no

42:38

he's i think i just saw something

42:40

a couple years ago he saved somebody's

42:42

life being a fireman like hey danny

42:44

doing this thing hell yeah danny

42:46

is doing his thing man i

42:48

mean you know he found his niche

42:51

for after I remember my brother telling

42:53

me that Daddy bought a fire truck

42:55

like one that they weren't using anymore

42:58

and was just riding around the city

43:00

and I'm like Jason is just going

43:03

around hammering beers riding around Philly.

43:05

You took it to the game. I'm

43:07

like, man, people probably got out the

43:09

way, huh? I'm in college still. I'm

43:12

like, what the fuck kind of life

43:14

is this guy living out there in

43:16

Philadelphia, man. We took it to the

43:18

game. I'm in there with an axe

43:21

with a big old mustache or something

43:23

like that. I can't remember. A photo

43:25

is out there somewhere. You got a

43:27

favorite Jason Kelsey story from your time

43:30

there? We all know about the trash

43:32

cans and the helmets being thrown during

43:34

practices and stuff. You got any good

43:36

stuff outside of those? You know what?

43:38

If I had to think about... You

43:41

know what? Some of his speeches, man,

43:43

was great. Especially like during COVID-years when

43:45

we was inside the bubble man, like...

43:47

I just felt like your speech is

43:49

always hit home because of, you know,

43:51

just the realness of them, and, you

43:53

know, I just always respect just how

43:55

like you guys on here, y'all be

43:57

vulnerable and crying and all that stuff

43:59

like. Me I was grow I grew up,

44:01

you know, my mom used to be on

44:04

me about crying and so man I used

44:06

to be so tough even this even it

44:08

feels so good crying when I had my

44:10

speech because man it's just been a while

44:12

you know I'm saying I always you always

44:15

try to be too tough and it's like

44:17

man I love that you guys you know

44:19

where that where that emotion on your sleeve

44:21

man because I mean we need more of

44:23

that as men getting that stuff out and

44:26

so I've gotten a lot better with that

44:28

and I always admire that you can. you

44:30

know, do that. And so man, I felt for

44:32

me, you know, just even with the speeches, you

44:34

know, we always listen because we knew that you

44:37

just not a bullshit, a man like, you know,

44:39

you might laugh and have fun and all this

44:41

stuff here and there, but it's more of like,

44:43

when you do get you, you know, opening up

44:46

and doing some stuff, man, it's always cool, because

44:48

you can tell that it means something to you.

44:50

So that's that's what this telling you my inspiration

44:52

your inspiration on how you inspire you know just

44:55

me on just like man how you can know

44:57

your emotions like you know I'm saying it and

44:59

and be okay with that man man every

45:01

single time I was trying not to I was

45:03

trying not to I was trying not to cry

45:06

but I couldn't help it but yeah that's one

45:08

thing it just comes out it is it's in

45:10

the blood but I can respect it I can

45:12

respect it I got to say my biggest bg

45:14

memory I mean there's a lot of them but

45:17

the one I really think about is the

45:19

trash talking before the Giants game. I

45:21

still think about that. All here, Big Dexter

45:23

Lawrence had been beating the crap out of

45:26

centers and I'm getting ready to go, I

45:28

got to be on my game right

45:30

now, there's a big game for us, first

45:32

playoff game of 2022, this dude has been

45:34

killing people, I had already played him

45:36

a couple times, so I'd already used a

45:39

lot of my tricks. So I don't know

45:41

if I'm going to be able to trick

45:43

him this time. I don't know if I'm

45:46

going to be able to trick him this

45:48

time. Yeah, B.G. is just talking so

45:50

much shit to this dude, and I

45:52

see decks are up there, and he's like,

45:54

yeah. Oh, yeah. He's getting madder and madder.

45:56

I'm like, God damn it, B.G.'s making my

45:59

job so much. I

46:02

was going to make the job easier

46:04

because now it's going to be aggressive.

46:06

That's how you really trick somebody. You

46:08

can start pulling the chair and get

46:10

them off their body. It was all

46:13

good. It ended up, hey, it ended

46:15

up being perfect. It was a great

46:17

game for us. So everybody was playing

46:19

good. V.G. We got to talk more

46:21

about the trash talking, man. We've we've

46:23

shouted out your trash talking so much

46:25

on this on this on this show.

46:27

Everyone in the league always put you

46:29

up there in the top of the list

46:31

in terms of being able to dish it

46:33

and back it up. When did you start

46:36

trash? Has it always been a part of

46:38

your game? Has this has always been how

46:40

you enjoy playing the game? Or did you

46:42

like at some point say something to somebody

46:45

and found out, oh I could I

46:47

could change the way they play and

46:49

the way they react to what's going

46:51

on? I think me being trash talked,

46:53

especially in Detroit, because people used to

46:55

come for me because being a linebacker,

46:57

I play a linebacker and then when

46:59

you start making a name for yourself,

47:01

everybody wanted to come for you, you

47:03

know, and gun for you. And so

47:05

people used to talk stuff to me.

47:07

Yeah. Because I used to be a

47:09

person that used to lead by example

47:11

about how I do and not really

47:13

talk about it. But then people started

47:15

saying, man, I want to hear you man, like,

47:17

you know, leader of our team, I mean I've

47:20

grown to this where I talk a lot now

47:22

but it's like at first it used to be

47:24

just me doing my job and then when I

47:26

get when I get going I can feel my

47:28

duty yeah yeah what you say you know what

47:30

I'm saying like all the stuff you talk to

47:32

me yeah what you say I don't hear you

47:34

talk it now that type of stuff but as

47:36

I got to the lead it became more animated

47:39

more fun always try not to cuss because I

47:41

feel like that's when the refs throw the flag

47:43

I try to have some little funny but at

47:45

the same time you know I'm serious Man, I

47:47

just knew we would go out there for it'd

47:49

be like hot as hill training camp.

47:52

We're all tired of being out

47:54

there. Is this happening in practice or

47:56

what? Oh, but it never stops. Yeah.

47:58

We're going out there. for like

48:00

two minute drill or whatever and

48:02

be like yeah fat boy you

48:05

know what's coming yeah I'm coming

48:07

fat boy I'll be like man

48:09

what kind of snap what kind

48:11

of her account was that what

48:13

is that like like counts do

48:15

it's a that look yeah I'm like

48:18

man you ain't food of

48:20

nobody with that Oh man we

48:22

have some fun boy I'm definitely

48:24

one thing about it man I'm

48:26

gonna miss them that time them

48:28

practices especially because practices got a

48:30

lot easier man because in the

48:33

beginning for sure it used to

48:35

be tough man coach Ree oh

48:37

my goodness training. Oh yeah let's talk

48:39

a little long drive drill in room

48:41

oh you get me fired up you're

48:43

about to get ready for that we

48:45

got to see who tough on our

48:47

team first weekend when we get them

48:49

pants coach Boy, when we was up

48:51

in Lehigh, he wanted to make, see

48:53

who was gonna quit and who was

48:55

gonna be the people that, you know,

48:58

was gonna be the people that we

49:00

was gonna take for the team. And

49:02

man, we used to do nine on

49:04

seven. Right. Team run. Then you got,

49:06

like you say, long drive drill in

49:08

the end of practice. And it's like.

49:10

Boy, is you crazy? You know, he

49:12

hasn't changed it. He hasn't changed it

49:14

one bit. He hasn't changed it one

49:16

bit. It's still that exact. We

49:19

always start off with team, one quick

49:21

blitz and then we're straight into 9

49:23

on 7. 9 on 7, boy, I

49:25

love it, man. Because you really do

49:28

see some stuff. Yeah, you might wear,

49:30

wear it on a little bit. But

49:32

it ain't two of days, like how.

49:34

It wasn't like, he'd be like, okay,

49:36

they had a rough, a rough, rough

49:38

one in the beginning, let's get it.

49:41

It's just like, no, next man up.

49:43

Everybody had a rough one in the

49:45

beginning. You're about to have another one

49:47

right here. Let me ask you this, what

49:49

is, is there an art form to trash talking?

49:51

You do a little background. Little background. Yeah, you

49:53

do a little background, like, uh, knowing, like I

49:56

follow the page, I follow your page, see what

49:58

you got up, see what you got up. See

50:00

what you're in to talk about some

50:02

good. Get you all. Get you all.

50:04

Get you all. Get you. I do.

50:07

Like you know, I learned it from

50:09

a little bit of like, you know,

50:11

just other players on just like, man,

50:14

look at their Instagram. You could tell,

50:16

you could tell exactly what kind of

50:18

stuff they into, talk with. Like, you

50:20

know, I'm saying, kind of. And so

50:23

I started doing that later on in

50:25

my career. Sure. look on somebody page

50:27

you can kind of tell on anything

50:30

you want about anything anything and so I

50:32

started doing that more but I didn't go

50:34

like personal some stuff was just I don't

50:36

want like I told you I don't want

50:38

nobody coming looking for me after the game

50:40

but like a guy like Donald Penn oh

50:42

yeah like yeah I used to talk my

50:44

stuff to him especially like during that time

50:46

where like that like spicy chicken salad stuff

50:48

popped up he made me it made me

50:50

think about him Because I remember, you used

50:53

to get in trouble, like, usually, like, usually,

50:55

those pop eyes, like, you know, and I

50:57

was like, yeah, man, we about to whoop

50:59

y'all, because I know you'd have had about

51:01

a couple of, you know what I'm

51:03

saying, that type of stuff. Because I

51:05

knew that he was a guy that

51:07

that they had in his contract where

51:09

if he if he made sure he

51:11

stayed under a way He can get

51:14

an incentive on that. So when I

51:16

found that out all mad I started

51:18

messing around stuff like that. You know

51:20

what I'm saying? Nothing like a good

51:22

heavy joke. Oh, yeah, I mean, I

51:24

know I know I know I know

51:26

every week was like alright bg. Come

51:28

on man. What you at jump on

51:30

the scale? Yes. I'm good today. I'm

51:33

good today. Hey, I bet you everybody

51:35

had money on the on the plus

51:37

side of it. Like a nah, we

51:39

gonna see B.G. gonna be the slim,

51:42

slim goody when I get done. I'm

51:44

not gonna lie. Just so you know,

51:46

B.G. Uh-huh. Everybody thinks you're gonna turn

51:48

into an overweight mess. Oh, yeah. Because

51:51

you would show up the training camp

51:53

every year, big. I know. To your

51:55

credit, you would lose weight. Uh-huh-huh. But

51:57

we know you like them cookies. You

52:00

got a little cookie monster in you.

52:02

Oh man, you know, I love just,

52:04

just sweets, but let me tell you,

52:06

I've been working out, as you can

52:09

see, Kelse, I was in there with

52:11

you today, I'm gonna make sure, I'm

52:13

just trying to keep that routine because

52:15

you're right, I know, I know, I

52:17

know Fletch can't wait, Fletch over there,

52:19

Fletch, the ringleader of it, like, yeah,

52:22

like, B. G gonna be this, I'll

52:24

be this, I'll be this, I'll be

52:26

this, I'll be this. I might bet

52:28

Fletch after this conversation. I've had so

52:31

much more self-control because my wife,

52:33

you know, she is killing it

52:35

and she. She don't play. Carla

52:37

ain't playing. Yeah. That's too funny.

52:39

She on play and she like, look,

52:41

we about to have, we about

52:43

to be in Wednes, we about

52:45

to do all this stuff and

52:48

you out here, you better make

52:50

sure that you're right. I'm like,

52:52

I got you baby. She the

52:54

one. She kind of reminds me

52:56

of Vic Fangeo a little bit.

52:58

She got a little bit of

53:00

that Vic Fageo. No nonsense. I

53:02

made sure I make sure I

53:04

really want to make change if

53:06

I tell her. If I tell

53:08

her, because I don't want her

53:10

on me man, Sam, hey you

53:12

said you was going to do

53:14

this, why you over there doing

53:16

that? It's like, oh my goodness.

53:18

Like I can't have a snack,

53:20

well you know. Let's get to a

53:22

game we're going to play with you B.G.

53:24

Did you sack him? Oh, okay. Did you

53:26

sack him? That's right. Brought to you

53:29

by American Express. Yeah, you've played

53:31

in over 200 NFL games. It

53:33

recorded over 82 career sacks. Yeah,

53:35

damn. Yep. So we're going to

53:37

ask you today. Did you sack

53:39

him? We're going to give you the quarterbacks

53:41

name and you tell us if you

53:43

sacked them. Let me see if I'm real

53:46

good at this. Let me see if I'm

53:48

real good. I'll start with

53:50

an easy one. Tony

53:53

Romo. Sactor. I can

53:55

see a picture of mine

53:57

right now. Sactor. Drew

54:00

Breeze Oh, yes, I

54:02

did I sacked him.

54:05

Yeah, I think it

54:07

was a strip strip

54:09

sack, too Oh Okay,

54:12

not many not many

54:14

times, but I did

54:17

sack him though All

54:19

right, uh, you live

54:22

Manning manning man, let

54:24

me see I'm gonna

54:27

go with yes Okay,

54:29

okay, D.B. got him. D.B. got

54:31

him when he played when we

54:33

was, it was a year, 2018.

54:35

Last play, D.B. ended up getting

54:37

him the game, but no, I

54:39

didn't get him. I didn't get

54:42

him. Lamar Jackson. Yep,

54:44

sacked him. I chased him

54:46

down to the sideline. I

54:48

chased him down. I chased

54:50

him down and then he

54:52

ran out of balls. He

54:54

ran out of balls. So

54:56

you know it was behind

54:59

the lines. So it was

55:01

like, yes. That counts. That

55:03

counts. That counts. That counts.

55:06

That counts. Yeah, what was it like

55:08

chasing Lamar down? Man, that boy fast.

55:10

And I mean, when I tell you,

55:12

he is explosive and he stopped at

55:14

the drop of a dime like you

55:16

gotta really take your shot with him

55:18

because if you, if you playing around

55:20

like him and he just, he's gonna

55:22

take off on you. So I just

55:24

took my shot and he went out

55:27

of bounds and they caught up a

55:29

sack that was a sack at the

55:31

end of the game. You were the

55:33

closest one to him, boy. There you

55:35

go. You're on a roll right now,

55:37

you got all these rights so far.

55:39

Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers, that's a good

55:41

one right there because I did not

55:43

sack him at all. What? Nope. Are

55:46

you sure? I don't know. I can't,

55:48

I gotta remember, let me see.

55:50

We got him as the, you did

55:52

sack him. Oh for real, how many,

55:54

how many, how many, uh, because hold

55:56

on, yes, yes, yes, I did sack

55:58

him, uh, 2017. I did a second,

56:01

I sacked him, I sacked him, okay.

56:03

I think we were 26, I know

56:05

we played him and I remember Nigel

56:08

Bradham, the year, the game that he

56:10

caught the pick at the end of

56:12

the game up there because we had

56:14

a good game. That was 2018. 2018.

56:16

Yeah, 2018. Yep, 2018. Aaron, because

56:19

Aaron wasn't, it wasn't often with

56:21

Aaron either. Like, you know, like

56:23

I couldn't get him. He gets

56:25

a ball out quick. You know,

56:28

so he was another, he was

56:30

one that, uh, I wanted to

56:32

get. What about another all-time great,

56:34

Peyton Manning? Uh, yes. I sacked

56:37

him. I sacked him. Hmm. Oh,

56:39

no. No, no. No, you're right. He's

56:41

sure you got away. Did you get

56:43

to share? No, no. I didn't get

56:46

him. I didn't get him. I

56:48

didn't get him. The sheriff had

56:50

to have had to have had

56:52

some fun. trash talking you back

56:54

man. He was one that I

56:56

would talk to but he just

56:58

would look at me like you

57:00

know I'd be like yeah uh-huh

57:02

you know I'm saying like even

57:04

like his brother his brother was

57:06

the same way. You know Eli just

57:09

kind of like you know do this

57:11

love and just kind of look and

57:13

go back to the to the huddle

57:16

but uh you know who used to

57:18

talk stuff back to me, uh, Phila,

57:20

Phila Rivas, Phila Rivas, I was about

57:22

to say. You know, it hit you

57:25

with a, like, I just remember, remember

57:27

him first down, hit me on my

57:29

butt first down, like, how about that

57:32

one? You know, that, and it was

57:34

like, oh, okay, you, you hitting me,

57:36

you touching me, okay, back, back, too

57:39

funny. Oh, that Packers game is

57:41

2019, my bad, 2019. Oh, 2019.

57:43

Okay, okay. Is there a quarterback you

57:45

never sacked, but wish you did? Let

57:47

me go through this list real list

57:49

real quick. I mean of course it

57:51

would have been it would have been

57:53

cool to get a picture with Vic

57:55

you know sack him but I got

57:57

practice practice of pictures and stuff like

57:59

that. but it's so different, you

58:01

know, when you went to action.

58:03

So Vic would have been one,

58:05

if he would have still been

58:07

in Atlanta playing down there, but

58:10

I would, you know, just to

58:12

say I had to got a

58:14

sack on Vic, and then I

58:16

got one on deck. I love

58:18

all, I love getting sacks on

58:20

cowboys quarterbacks, especially at they place.

58:22

It ain't nothing like getting to

58:24

win and Jerry's were a boy,

58:26

because Jerry, Jerry, Jerry has said

58:28

one time that. Yeah, y'all drive to

58:30

him high. Like he ain't, you know, he

58:33

says something and I had it in my

58:35

locker. And I wish, I'm gonna get the

58:37

words, if I can if I could find

58:39

that article and it just talked about me

58:41

going high. I would have, I would have

58:43

had him near if it was my pick

58:46

or whatever. And so I was like, okay.

58:48

And so I always, me being with the

58:50

eagles. And yeah, I noted that. And yeah,

58:52

I noted that. And that's why I kind

58:54

of, I kind of, not even I wouldn't

58:56

say hatred but you know that that rivalry

58:58

with the cowboys that excitement that excitement

59:01

excitement to play you know with

59:03

them mm-hmm who's the hardest QB

59:05

to you've ever had like a

59:08

chance to like tackle who's the

59:10

hardest you to bring down Cam.

59:12

Big Cam, dude. Or Ben Rogers

59:15

Burger. Ben Rogers Burger. Yeah, Ben

59:17

Rogers. Yeah, Ben Rogers. Slippery, yeah.

59:19

I gotta say Ben. Slippery, big

59:22

guy, man. That's too funny. Cam

59:24

is a, I mean, he's a

59:26

jugger now, man. He's a, I

59:28

mean, he's a jugger now, man.

59:31

The guy, he could have played

59:33

any position on the field, let

59:36

alone how great he was running

59:38

around. I was like. I'm like

59:40

man is this stiff arms and

59:43

all that stuff man it was

59:45

just like running through over around

59:47

everybody his extension his extension on

59:50

just like you know this whole

59:52

body I don't want to you

59:54

know say something be like people

59:57

say pause but you know his left

59:59

I'll say Big dude, man. And Ben though,

1:00:01

Ben was slippery. So if I had to say my

1:00:03

sacks against men, I never took him down. It was

1:00:05

more like the end of the whistle just blowing because

1:00:07

you got him. You know, that type of sack. trying

1:00:10

to wrap him up, yep. Too funny, man. Yeah. And

1:00:12

that was, did you sack him? Brought to you by

1:00:14

American Express, pretty good, pretty? You were all right. You

1:00:16

mean, you got a little shaky there, but you get

1:00:18

it good. You nailed it. He was good. You nailed

1:00:20

it. He was a little, I didn't, he was, he

1:00:22

was a little, I wasn't, I was like, I could

1:00:25

remember. He didn't, Aaron Rogers. He finally came around, paid

1:00:27

many, paid many, too, paid many, paid many, he, he

1:00:29

thought he thought he thought he thought he, he thought

1:00:31

he thought he thought he thought he thought I got,

1:00:33

he thought he thought I got him, he thought I

1:00:35

got him, he thought I got him, he thought I

1:00:38

got him, he thought I got him, he thought I

1:00:40

got him, he thought I got him. I got him,

1:00:42

he thought I got him, he thought I got him,

1:00:44

he thought I got him, he thought I got him,

1:00:46

he I want to definitely get all them on the

1:00:48

on the USB so I can go back to it

1:00:50

and watch them. I'm a I'm gonna get Pat Dole

1:00:53

and do that for me. Make me a USB. I'm

1:00:55

sure Pat's gonna be happy about that one. He'll be

1:00:57

excited about it. I'll give him a shout out. Let

1:00:59

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iv.com. We got it to our final

1:02:37

section called we got to ask. We're

1:02:40

going to ask you a bunch of

1:02:42

rapid fire questions. Okay. You don't have

1:02:44

to answer them. You can tell us

1:02:46

to fuck off, but we are going

1:02:49

to ask. Yeah. Now that Lane is

1:02:51

alone of the core four that we've

1:02:53

been nicknamed, I guess, who does he

1:02:55

miss most out of me, you, and

1:02:57

Fletcher Cox? I gotta say Kel's because

1:03:00

Kel's in his room and he know

1:03:02

you, emo you on a deeper, on

1:03:04

a deeper, because being in the room

1:03:06

is so different man. It makes it

1:03:09

different. Getting cussed out by your coach

1:03:11

and how you respond to it is

1:03:13

everything. He missed. He gonna miss. Ooh,

1:03:15

that's a good one right there. Yeah.

1:03:18

So I'm gonna go with my boy,

1:03:20

Flex, because he's mad at the world

1:03:22

right now. Flex mad at the world,

1:03:24

because that's Super Bowl, man. I told

1:03:27

his butt to come on back. I

1:03:29

thought he was gonna come back. Who

1:03:31

are you telling Jason? I'm not bad

1:03:33

enough. I'm happy. I don't wanna play

1:03:36

in that game. I was done playing

1:03:38

football. I know I'm at this point

1:03:40

now where I'm with you I'm with

1:03:42

you Kelts like I'm getting to that

1:03:45

point I'm like man it's over it's

1:03:47

over it's cool like you know I'm

1:03:49

saying like I have my time and

1:03:51

you know the next thing is I

1:03:53

got a week to get my locker

1:03:56

cleaned up like that's what Greg just

1:03:58

gave me a week to get my

1:04:00

locker cleaned up like that's what Greg

1:04:02

just gave me a week before I'm

1:04:05

giving that locker so it was sad

1:04:07

today when I heard it was sad

1:04:09

today when I heard it told me

1:04:11

he told me you know if it's

1:04:14

like if I can extend you a

1:04:16

little bit but if not you know

1:04:18

you just got a week and I'm

1:04:20

like all right bit you know and

1:04:23

it kind of hit me like damn

1:04:25

boy I've been here 15 you know

1:04:27

now it's like but I'm happy though

1:04:29

I'm so happy that it's over the

1:04:32

the stresses of it is over but

1:04:34

yeah go ahead keep the questions come

1:04:36

favorite great lake oh I'm gonna go

1:04:38

uh I'm gonna go lake like uh

1:04:40

Lake Michigan like Lake Michigan Oh yeah,

1:04:43

I can say bakery. You're right, Lake

1:04:45

Erie. Come on, man, that's what we

1:04:47

share. When I went up to Lake

1:04:49

Michigan, it was like, ooh. Yeah, it's

1:04:52

a little more beautiful. Which one, would

1:04:54

I rather swim in? Yeah, I'm gonna

1:04:56

go Lake Michigan. No, for real. That's

1:04:58

the way you go in there. I'm

1:05:01

swimming in Lake Erie. Yeah, or Lake

1:05:03

Hurron. Here, here, Ron, it's cool, too.

1:05:05

Jason, too. Jason, Jason, you can ask

1:05:07

this question, Jason. If you can ask

1:05:10

this question, Jason. If you can ask

1:05:12

this question, Jason. If you can ask

1:05:14

this question, Jason, Jason. If you can

1:05:16

ask this question, Jason. If you can

1:05:19

ask this question, Jason. If I had

1:05:21

to detach anybody part, I would just

1:05:23

say, you can put it back on,

1:05:25

you can put it back on. You

1:05:28

can put it back on. You can

1:05:30

take it off and on. Probably one

1:05:32

of my, like a foot or something

1:05:34

like that, like, you know, just kind

1:05:36

of take a foot off. Take it

1:05:39

off, what would you do with it?

1:05:41

Put it up, go to bed, you

1:05:43

know, and then put it back on.

1:05:45

Yeah. You know, you could separate. You

1:05:48

could separate it. Separate it. You know,

1:05:50

where I couldn't get out the bed.

1:05:52

Baby, I took my foot off already.

1:05:54

I can't go away. My foot's up

1:05:57

there on the fireplace. I can't be

1:05:59

getting up and doing something. Let me

1:06:01

go get in my sleep, baby. I'll

1:06:03

see you in the morning. I can't

1:06:06

go fold these clothes right now, my

1:06:08

foot is over there. Yeah, that's a

1:06:10

good one right there. I wouldn't, I

1:06:12

don't know. I mean, I wouldn't do

1:06:15

nothing up here because this is where

1:06:17

you, you know, I feel like, with

1:06:19

that, but if I'm chilling, I have

1:06:21

an excuse, I do something with my

1:06:23

lower leg. All right. Too funny now

1:06:26

that you're retired is big down

1:06:28

still on your favorite call or

1:06:30

your yeah your call list your

1:06:32

favorites list. Oh yeah I'm gonna always

1:06:34

be that because I gotta I gotta

1:06:36

make sure that anything that's going on

1:06:39

in the city, you know, I want

1:06:41

to know about just so that I

1:06:43

can know, know where not to go.

1:06:46

Yeah. Because, uh, Philly, uh, in the

1:06:48

beginning of my career, uh, certain places

1:06:50

that I just go eat or just,

1:06:52

like, I just want a certain cheese

1:06:55

steaks. I'd be like, hey, Dom, is

1:06:57

this cool to be over here? You

1:06:59

say, yeah, you're all right during the

1:07:02

day. Just don't be over there hanging

1:07:04

around hanging. I'm being out so yeah,

1:07:06

down was always a good, he always

1:07:08

gonna be on the favorites. You gotta

1:07:11

talk about your time at Ann Arbor,

1:07:13

man. I was actually at one of

1:07:15

your spring ball practices as a recruit.

1:07:17

Crazy. And when I tell you that

1:07:20

there was no chance I was ever

1:07:22

getting a scholarship to go to business,

1:07:24

to play quarterback, I was actually in

1:07:27

the QB room while guys like Chad,

1:07:29

Henny, Ryan Mallitt were going over spring

1:07:31

ball practices. And man, it felt like

1:07:33

every single play was double post to

1:07:36

Mario Manningham. It was like I was

1:07:38

just sitting there listening to the lingo.

1:07:40

It was crazy being on those practices,

1:07:43

man. The prestige in the history at

1:07:45

Michigan, you could feel it as soon

1:07:47

as you walked on campus. Yep. Yeah.

1:07:49

And was that like a huge part

1:07:52

of you going to Michigan? You know,

1:07:54

I did love the traditions and I

1:07:56

love the sand of those who stay

1:07:59

will be champions. and it's like,

1:08:01

you start here in the back,

1:08:03

we are, the rookies were freshmen

1:08:05

starting the back, and if you make

1:08:07

it down to the front, you

1:08:10

know, you usually, by time you

1:08:12

got there, you'll usually be a

1:08:14

champion. And I didn't get that,

1:08:16

like, but I love that. I

1:08:18

didn't get that. I didn't get

1:08:21

that, I didn't get that, but I

1:08:23

made it all four years, but, you know,

1:08:25

I had, I had Rich Rock's, Rich Rock

1:08:27

came in, but. My only two that I

1:08:29

really felt like I could have got there

1:08:31

as a champion was coach car because my

1:08:33

first year we was number two Ohio State

1:08:36

number one and I think yeah we lost

1:08:38

to them then we went to the Rose

1:08:40

Bowl lost to John David Booty that was

1:08:42

the quarterback. Yeah. and we ended up losing

1:08:44

both last two games. The one in the

1:08:46

championship to win, get our, get us a

1:08:48

reign. And then we lost in the Rose

1:08:51

Bowl, but that was a good experience. My

1:08:53

first year, then the second year we went

1:08:55

10 and two, we didn't have a chance

1:08:57

because they got the playoffs now, but we would

1:08:59

have been in the playoffs that year. And

1:09:01

that would have been cool to kind of

1:09:03

go through this type of style that they had

1:09:05

now, but. That was the only chance that I

1:09:07

had, but those who stay will be champions,

1:09:09

that tradition that Michigan brought just from some

1:09:11

of the guys that's been there. My dad was

1:09:14

a big Michigan fan, so we used to

1:09:16

go every weekend, every Saturday he'd cut my

1:09:18

hair, and then we'd watch the game, then I'd

1:09:20

go back home to my mom, stuff like

1:09:22

that. So when they came calling, it was

1:09:24

a no-brainer, after my junior year, I committed

1:09:26

right away and was just happy to have

1:09:29

that. And then all these other teams started

1:09:31

coming out of coming out of nowhere. Could

1:09:33

the average person rush for a

1:09:35

yard in the NFL? The average

1:09:37

American weighs a hundred and ninety

1:09:39

nine point eight pounds and it's five

1:09:42

nine. Well, let me tell you this, if

1:09:44

they can take the hit, which I think

1:09:46

they can't, you know, fumble! I mean, if

1:09:48

any, I mean, they can get one, they

1:09:50

can get one. But you have a dang

1:09:52

on Fred Warner, come get you and take

1:09:54

your head off. Then it's like, oh, okay,

1:09:56

you're going to rethink it. Yeah, you can

1:09:59

get a yard. Hold on to that

1:10:01

ball when you get hit. That's

1:10:03

it. We haven't heard that one

1:10:05

yet. Aaron Donald has said that

1:10:07

Jason is the lineman he hated

1:10:09

playing against the most. Who's the

1:10:11

least favorite lineman that you've ever lined

1:10:13

up against? Turin Smith, man. That was a

1:10:15

guy that even at this level, it was

1:10:17

like, man. What I didn't like sometimes is

1:10:19

he like to swipe your hand down like,

1:10:21

you know, that swipe down. when you bull,

1:10:23

because I'm a, I'm a, I like the

1:10:26

bull rush and catching with the bull, and

1:10:28

he used to swipe my hands down, I

1:10:30

was far to the ground, I used to

1:10:32

call him all kind of names, and like,

1:10:34

man, that's soft, that's soft. You out here,

1:10:36

you know, but he was a guy that,

1:10:38

I respect, man, because he always switched it

1:10:40

up when I did get two and a

1:10:42

half, two against them, one game. It was

1:10:44

so cool because man he was tearing

1:10:46

me up in the beginning of his

1:10:48

prime a little bit and I'm just

1:10:50

giving him some credit because we had

1:10:52

some battles but for the most part

1:10:55

that was a guy that I always

1:10:57

was like oh man you know I

1:10:59

got to get ready you know you

1:11:01

got to get ready yeah got to

1:11:03

get ready great. I respect that one.

1:11:05

What was your welcome to the NFL

1:11:07

moment? Let me tell you I know

1:11:09

this one was coming boy that boy

1:11:11

What's his name Daniels? D Taco that

1:11:13

was at other Packers. What's his

1:11:15

name? Why can I think his

1:11:17

first name? Oh You know I'm

1:11:19

talking about but we was on

1:11:21

remember what I was telling you

1:11:23

on kickoff I became the creator

1:11:25

name I created a name for

1:11:27

myself and we was playing the

1:11:30

Packers and that year it was

1:11:32

Mike Daniels Mike Daniels he he

1:11:34

was on the wedge and so

1:11:36

these kids will never know what

1:11:38

the wedge is these guys will

1:11:40

never never know what it was

1:11:42

like never know We kicked the ball off

1:11:44

and Mike Daniels, like they told him, you

1:11:46

know, he gonna be the guy that's blocking

1:11:48

me or whatever, but I don't, I don't

1:11:51

care because I don't think, think none of

1:11:53

it. I'm running down. We kicked it left

1:11:55

and they have a return right. So as

1:11:57

I'm running right, he already went right,

1:11:59

but he. He's sizing me up and this

1:12:01

one cracked back. This one cracked back was

1:12:03

still going. Oh yeah, the old ambush block.

1:12:05

The ambush. Boy, I turn, I'm looking at

1:12:07

the back as I'm going this way. All

1:12:10

I remember is just looking up. Because that

1:12:12

boy that hit me that hard where I'm

1:12:14

my feet in there. I'm gonna get that

1:12:16

clip I'm gonna get that clip boy because

1:12:18

I gotta find this clip We got to

1:12:20

get that clip man because on kickoff return

1:12:22

it was back in 2013 2014 One of

1:12:25

them years where Chip Kelly where I was

1:12:27

playing special teams and we was playing the

1:12:29

Packers this one they had Eddie Lacy too

1:12:31

because he was he was another one man

1:12:33

that gave me a headache when I used

1:12:35

to hit him when I used to hit

1:12:37

him when he was good when he was

1:12:39

good Daniels gave me that welcome to the

1:12:42

NFL moment where it was like yeah that

1:12:44

boy right there I don't never like the

1:12:46

next next next kickoff I was down there

1:12:48

looking like where he at exactly put your

1:12:50

head on a swivel on the swivel this

1:12:52

time that was the first time I turned

1:12:54

down a hit where I was like man

1:12:57

I don't want to get hit like that

1:12:59

no more so that was that moment should

1:13:01

blindside blocks be illegal should you still be

1:13:03

allowed to do those I can't it like

1:13:05

for me I would always love it because

1:13:07

I used to be my game too. I

1:13:09

used to catch some people in college. I

1:13:11

mean high school, college, you know, it's a

1:13:14

great one when when when somebody ran in

1:13:16

my mouth and you catch them. Oh man,

1:13:18

sit your little butt down. But yeah, but

1:13:20

now, now that we don't can't do it

1:13:22

and then somebody try to catch you like

1:13:24

that. I try to talk stuff about them.

1:13:26

But for the most part, that was what

1:13:28

I did too. It's a defensive, defensive player.

1:13:31

What happened to have your head on a

1:13:33

swivel? What are you talking about? You gotta

1:13:35

defend yourself. I don't get this at all.

1:13:37

That's the whole point of the league. It's

1:13:39

like, man, like when you out there on

1:13:41

that field, you better keep your head on

1:13:43

the swivel because people without their gun and

1:13:46

why the play is going, you gotta keep

1:13:48

your head on the swive. So, yeah, man,

1:13:50

I will. for it to be back but

1:13:52

you know we in this player safety league

1:13:54

right now so hey we gotta do it

1:13:56

we gotta do it it's evolving it's evolving

1:13:58

hopefully it gets back to it man I

1:14:00

got one more question for you which is

1:14:03

your favorite Super Bowl Oh, 2017. 2017? Easy?

1:14:05

Easy? Okay. Because, first one? Because of that,

1:14:07

that, that play against Brady, man, like I

1:14:09

told you, it changed my life. It changed

1:14:11

my, it changed my whole. You saw that

1:14:13

picture a bunch of it. Man. I still

1:14:15

don't, I still don't understand it, because everybody

1:14:17

still be coming to these appearances. And I'll

1:14:20

be like, how did I not meet this

1:14:22

person that, man? I thought, I feel like

1:14:24

I got to met everybody in the world.

1:14:26

But because it's like, it's like, it's like,

1:14:28

that picture right, that picture right there. Man,

1:14:30

it's not like it was, it changed my

1:14:32

life and then on top of that, got

1:14:35

my first one, that was my first championship

1:14:37

that I was ever in at any level

1:14:39

where, you know, I got a ring afterwards.

1:14:41

And so it was like, man, it was

1:14:43

cool to. that me and Philly we all

1:14:45

was dying for a ring and a championship

1:14:47

and we got it that way so 2017

1:14:49

would always be near and dear but this

1:14:52

woman was was the one too because man

1:14:54

that defense I ain't never seen the defensive

1:14:56

style play that we did this week I

1:14:58

mean that that that week practice and is

1:15:00

translated to the game so I'm a but

1:15:02

I got to go to 2017 well bg

1:15:04

I got to say I can't thank you

1:15:06

enough for coming on I mean this is

1:15:09

great this was great Thank you for the

1:15:11

stories man. That shit was amazing. Oh this

1:15:13

was good man. I love watching y'all boys.

1:15:15

I'm sure I'll see you up at Nova

1:15:17

Care. I better see you there because I'm

1:15:19

gonna make a bet with Fletch about this

1:15:21

weight loss. Let's go. I love eating them

1:15:24

cookies bg. I ain't gonna be eating them,

1:15:26

you know, periodically periodically man. Then they ain't

1:15:28

gonna go nowhere because I got these kids,

1:15:30

these kids, these kids be like, hey dad,

1:15:32

can we go get some ice cream? You

1:15:34

know I want some ice cream and you

1:15:36

know I want some ice cream and you

1:15:38

know I want some too, too, too, too,

1:15:41

so I want some, too, so I want

1:15:43

some, too, so I want some, too, so,

1:15:45

so, so, so, so, so, so, too, so,

1:15:47

so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

1:15:49

so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

1:15:51

so, too, so, There you go. Don't forget

1:15:53

to check out B. G's book. B. G's

1:15:55

A. B. C. Yeah, here we go. Thank

1:15:58

y'all. Got to love him, man. Congrats on

1:16:00

a hell of a career. I'll catch you

1:16:02

up there in Philly or sometime soon on

1:16:04

the links, man. We'll catch up. Okay, now

1:16:06

I'm looking forward to it. Dude,

1:16:08

Brandon Graham. How about that one, baby?

1:16:10

What a god, man. Legend. Dude, the

1:16:13

shit talking stories, we're fucking epic. Everything,

1:16:15

the guy can tell the story too.

1:16:17

I can't wait to see what his

1:16:19

post and a felt career looks like.

1:16:21

I know he'll stay around the game

1:16:24

and make sure he passes the wisdom

1:16:26

and everything. He's just that kind of

1:16:28

guy man and Philly. I don't even

1:16:30

think they knew exactly what they were

1:16:32

getting when they draft him all the

1:16:35

way back in, what is it, 2010? Because

1:16:37

I was 11, he was a year

1:16:39

before me. Yeah, I mean, he ended

1:16:41

up being an all-time ego. I mean,

1:16:43

he's, I mean, literally the all-time leader

1:16:45

and games played. Yeah, kitten asked for

1:16:47

a better person, more importantly, I mean,

1:16:49

great family men, too. Coming out with

1:16:51

a children's book, it's so like Fitz

1:16:53

Brandon's, what he stands for, like, just,

1:16:55

he's a tremendous person. So, couldn't be

1:16:57

happier that he came on the show

1:16:59

and looking forward to see what he

1:17:01

gets up to next, especially staying

1:17:03

away from the cookies cookies. It's hard,

1:17:05

it's hard to stay away from the

1:17:08

cookies. It is. All right now, before

1:17:10

we get into some no dumb questions,

1:17:12

I gotta make a little statement in

1:17:14

the don't believe everything you read kids

1:17:16

category or nice realm that you see

1:17:18

online. Some false claims were thrown out

1:17:20

there that I was doing something in

1:17:22

the community that I was not. And

1:17:24

I'm not even gonna talk about it

1:17:26

specifically. I don't wanna bring any more

1:17:29

attention to that whole. nonsense and

1:17:31

article and all that stuff. But if

1:17:33

you ever want to know exactly what

1:17:35

I'm doing in the community, just go

1:17:38

to 87 runny.org. We're always trying to

1:17:40

get out there and get in the

1:17:42

Kansas City communities and the Cleveland

1:17:44

community. But you know, this time

1:17:46

I wasn't doing what was falsely

1:17:49

claimed by the social channels or

1:17:51

the outlets posting all this AI

1:17:53

stuff. So just wanted to set

1:17:55

the record straight, appreciate everybody

1:17:57

for always trying to show love, especially

1:17:59

Pat. is always trying to look

1:18:01

out for the guys in the

1:18:04

sports, guys and women in the

1:18:06

sports world. And yeah, thanks you

1:18:08

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Deep's room, awesome? I'm 18, so

1:18:48

I'm not a parent. What the

1:18:50

fuck does that mean? What

1:18:53

would you, what advice would

1:18:56

you get to a parent

1:18:58

that wants to teach their

1:19:00

kid how to be better

1:19:02

at golf? I'm just, I'm

1:19:04

really, I'm really bad golf

1:19:06

guys and I need help.

1:19:08

So, so you're at, please.

1:19:10

So, those are the weirdest

1:19:12

way of asking us. Have

1:19:14

a good day. Go lying.

1:19:17

Such a weird way to ask us

1:19:19

to help him with this golf game.

1:19:21

What did the water boy ask Mr.

1:19:24

Insano? Hey, I'm no, I'm 18, so

1:19:26

I'm not a parent. And I was

1:19:28

like, fuck, where are we going with

1:19:30

this? He just wants to let every

1:19:32

know he's the child in this. He

1:19:35

needs, he wants advice to tell his

1:19:37

parents on what to do to make

1:19:39

him a better golfer. It sounds like,

1:19:41

from two football players. Well, I mean,

1:19:43

consider myself a average golfer. Well, I

1:19:46

would say first thing is probably the

1:19:48

thing that you've already considered and that's

1:19:50

get lessons. Nah, you're right. The rule

1:19:52

of 10,000, but just pick up a

1:19:54

stick and go hit that fucking thing,

1:19:57

man. That legitimately is. My number one.

1:19:59

things just play a bunch of golf.

1:20:01

Dude just go out there every lie

1:20:03

is going to be different you're going

1:20:05

to need to you know have a

1:20:08

few extra balls in your pocket

1:20:10

when you go and play golf

1:20:12

the next time not so you

1:20:14

can cheat so you can take

1:20:16

the same shot multiple times that

1:20:18

way you're getting used to taking

1:20:21

all the different random as above

1:20:23

your feet below your feet behind

1:20:25

up up a hill down it

1:20:27

like the slopes and all the

1:20:29

divvits and all the different types

1:20:32

of grass there's so many different

1:20:34

fucking shots you're gonna be overwhelmed

1:20:36

by it if you just jump

1:20:38

into it but it's gonna be

1:20:40

it's gonna be fun I got

1:20:43

a good friend right now that's

1:20:45

actually picking up the sticks for

1:20:47

the first time man and he

1:20:49

was But it was funny to see

1:20:52

him get into it. Every single shot,

1:20:54

every, after every single hole is like, I

1:20:56

don't, I mean, you just have so

1:20:58

much more respect for like the pros. And

1:21:00

I'm just like, bro, you are so

1:21:02

far behind the wheel in terms of like

1:21:04

the pros. You are so far behind the

1:21:07

wheel in terms of like the fucking

1:21:09

what the pros are where they started

1:21:11

and all this like, dude, not

1:21:13

even thinking that. You're gonna come

1:21:16

out here and hit a shot

1:21:18

like a shot like a shot

1:21:21

like a pro. Yeah. The biggest

1:21:23

thing is you get out there

1:21:25

and you just fucking hack. You

1:21:28

just fucking, you figure out, you

1:21:30

know, things and watch them, get

1:21:33

on the Instagram, just starts scrolling,

1:21:35

the burials, typing, golf at the

1:21:37

time, starts scrolling,

1:21:39

real, hear how people talk

1:21:42

about golf. If you really

1:21:44

want to get good at

1:21:46

it, just engulf yourself. Yeah,

1:21:49

I think this is all good advice. I think

1:21:51

the biggest thing is practice right like now

1:21:53

if you do anything you do Yeah anything

1:21:55

you want to get better out you just

1:21:58

practice that but not just practice you Put

1:22:00

practice in with a purpose, right?

1:22:02

Ooh, the P&P. Take this from

1:22:04

me. Listen, I am the third

1:22:06

to last place finisher at the

1:22:09

American Century Classic last year. So

1:22:11

take my advice. Take my advice.

1:22:13

No, seriously, practice mostly with the

1:22:15

clubs you're gonna use the most.

1:22:17

So what club are you gonna

1:22:19

use the most on the golf

1:22:22

course? Driver. Putter more. If you

1:22:24

don't three putt, you'll beat most

1:22:26

people. If you can two putt

1:22:28

every hole, you're going to beat

1:22:30

most people you play with. Next

1:22:32

club driver, right? Then your wedges,

1:22:35

okay? Get really good at those

1:22:37

three things and you're going to

1:22:39

be a decent golfer. You're going

1:22:41

to shoot a pretty good score.

1:22:43

So go to a chipping green,

1:22:45

get really good at chipping, up

1:22:48

and then always two-putton. You're going

1:22:50

to be sitting pretty. I can't

1:22:52

wait. I haven't played golf with

1:22:54

your favorite. I can't wait. I

1:22:56

feel like we should do one

1:22:58

more. We have a notum question

1:23:01

on the New Heights Reddit page.

1:23:03

From Tanya Dixon to 12. What

1:23:05

do you guys think about the

1:23:07

change in the way the downs

1:23:09

are going to be measured? Do

1:23:11

you prefer the chain gang or

1:23:14

the cameras measuring them? I really

1:23:16

don't even understand this to be

1:23:18

honest with you. When they say

1:23:20

the cameras are measuring them, how

1:23:22

are the cameras measuring them? What

1:23:25

are we talking about here? Basically,

1:23:27

the chain gang is like a

1:23:29

secondary measurement for first downs. Yeah,

1:23:31

that's what they did last year,

1:23:33

right? No, no, no. They incorporated

1:23:35

a chip in the football last

1:23:38

year during the pre-season and they...

1:23:40

That's what it was, it was

1:23:42

pre-season. But this isn't a chip

1:23:44

in the football. This is, they're

1:23:46

solely gonna try and use camera

1:23:48

technology to determine first downs, but

1:23:51

I don't really understand... how that's

1:23:53

different than when like, because obviously

1:23:55

everybody's lumping to the collusion against

1:23:57

the bills game, right, against you

1:23:59

guys, where it looked like Josh

1:24:01

Allen was ahead of the first

1:24:04

down market. I'm just all I'm

1:24:06

saying is think it looked like

1:24:08

it. I think you could only

1:24:10

assume That where the ball was

1:24:12

in his arm that it may

1:24:14

have gotten but you couldn't tell

1:24:17

exactly Well, I think there's a

1:24:19

lot of people to think you

1:24:21

could tell and I think there's

1:24:23

a lot of people that I

1:24:25

think you couldn't tell all I'm

1:24:27

saying is I think this rule

1:24:30

is here by and large because

1:24:32

of that play But I don't

1:24:34

know what how this is different

1:24:36

like they still looked at that

1:24:38

play on replay and saw where

1:24:40

the ball went. So I'm just

1:24:43

confused. I guess I don't really

1:24:45

understand how they're measuring the first

1:24:47

downs with the cameras and how

1:24:49

when they replayed them upon challenges.

1:24:51

I don't know. I think this

1:24:53

is just a big Sony endorsement.

1:24:56

I think it's just they, everybody's

1:24:58

gonna be talking about Sony Hawkeye

1:25:00

virtual measurement system. And this is

1:25:02

just like a big like plug

1:25:04

for Sony. God damn. You're right,

1:25:07

aren't you? Why else would they

1:25:09

fucking give it a Sony Hawkeye?

1:25:11

It's not a conspiracy. You're a

1:25:13

thousand percent right. I mean, it's

1:25:15

not even a joke. This is

1:25:17

how conspiracies work, ladies. No, it's

1:25:20

not a conspiracy, because there's no

1:25:22

fucking chance. It would be called

1:25:24

the Sony Hawkeye virtual measuring system.

1:25:26

Like, the only reason that that

1:25:28

is a thing. How did I

1:25:30

not see this coming? It's so

1:25:33

true, because they would have never

1:25:35

put Sony in front of it.

1:25:37

Well, no. They don't say like,

1:25:39

hey, all these cameras are brought

1:25:41

to you by LG Camera like

1:25:43

system that fit. No, this is

1:25:46

100% a fucking. I got them

1:25:48

going. I can't believe this. I

1:25:50

mean, I love the chain gang.

1:25:52

I don't know why I like

1:25:54

that it's there. This super like.

1:25:56

way outdated version of measuring first.

1:25:59

downs. I'm against the Sony Hawkeye

1:26:01

virtual measuring system simply because it's

1:26:03

called the Sony Hawkeye measuring system.

1:26:05

Like don't fucking sell me Sony

1:26:07

and your fucking measuring system. Just

1:26:09

fucking say, hey, we got a

1:26:12

virtual measuring system now. Oh, cool.

1:26:14

I don't need it to be

1:26:16

called the Sony Hawkeye measuring system.

1:26:18

You're going to be selling fucking

1:26:20

t-shirts. What the fuck will we naming

1:26:22

it? The Sony Hawkeye measuring system

1:26:24

for. It's the Sony Hawkeye virtual

1:26:27

measuring system. Jason. I digress. NFL,

1:26:29

sorry if I blew your cover,

1:26:31

but also sorry to the chain

1:26:33

gang guys, man, we'll miss you.

1:26:36

Well, they're still going to

1:26:38

be there. There's this only, chain

1:26:40

gang is there is like a

1:26:42

secondary option. I do want to

1:26:44

know what this technology is,

1:26:46

because I'm still confused. Like,

1:26:49

what is the Hawke I measuring

1:26:51

system, virtual measuring system

1:26:53

do exactly? Probably see through

1:26:55

people. The system uses multiple

1:26:58

high-performance cameras up to 10

1:27:00

positions strategically around the playing

1:27:02

arena. These cameras capture the

1:27:05

balls movement in three different

1:27:07

angles from different angles. Triangulation.

1:27:09

It's a good word to use if you want

1:27:11

to sell some shit to somebody. Sounds like

1:27:14

something that they used in like every

1:27:16

90s or 80s movie like action movie.

1:27:18

We triangulated his coordinates

1:27:20

to over it. Triangulation.

1:27:22

The captured video feeds

1:27:24

are processed using triangulation

1:27:26

principles. It's fucking gibberish. They're

1:27:28

killing it right now.

1:27:30

To create a 3D representation

1:27:33

of the ball's trajectory,

1:27:36

data analysis. The

1:27:38

system tracks the ball's position

1:27:40

frame by frame calculates its

1:27:42

path and predicts its future

1:27:45

trajectory based on predefined models

1:27:47

of the play area in

1:27:49

game rules predefined models playing

1:27:51

area in game rooms Hawkeye

1:27:54

generates graphical representations of the

1:27:56

ball's movement which can be

1:27:58

displayed in real time referees and

1:28:00

players. So I just, I don't know

1:28:03

what Hawkeye is doing that. You can't

1:28:05

just see by looking at the camera.

1:28:07

It's turning it virtual. Jason is turning

1:28:10

it into a video game so that

1:28:12

they can determine where the ball actually

1:28:14

is, aka they can see through people's

1:28:17

bodies. Go up, go up the tennis,

1:28:19

go up the tennis. So in tennis,

1:28:21

they can see when the ball hits

1:28:24

the line, whether it's in or out.

1:28:26

So obviously we've all seen that technology

1:28:28

use. They clap whenever

1:28:31

it doesn't. But the hot guy

1:28:33

isn't determining where the line is.

1:28:35

Like the line to gain is

1:28:38

established on the field in the

1:28:40

moment. So they're going to get

1:28:42

the line to gain from the

1:28:44

very first set of downs. I

1:28:46

think that's why they still need

1:28:48

the chain gain. They need the

1:28:50

chains to be able to be

1:28:52

on the sideline. And that gives

1:28:54

him like the line. I just...

1:28:57

It makes too much sense that

1:28:59

this is just a Sony plug.

1:29:02

This is honestly what I think

1:29:04

is going to the cameras and

1:29:06

a human's going to look at.

1:29:08

This is honestly what I think

1:29:11

has happened. Okay. This is just

1:29:13

out for referees having to make

1:29:15

this decision. That's what this all

1:29:18

this means is they now have

1:29:20

a camera that is going to

1:29:22

tell you if the ball reached

1:29:24

the first down mark the line

1:29:27

or not. Okay. And that way,

1:29:29

if the camera and the technology

1:29:31

is wrong, nobody can fucking, like,

1:29:33

you're not going to dispute it.

1:29:36

Nobody ever disputes the fucking Hawkeye

1:29:38

thing in tennis. They're just like,

1:29:40

yep, that was in, or nope,

1:29:43

that was out. Hawkeye said it.

1:29:45

That was out. Hawkeye said it.

1:29:47

Or nope, that was out. Hawkeye

1:29:49

said it. That was out. Hawkeye

1:29:52

said it. And said, well, that

1:29:54

was out. Hawkeye said, well, Yes,

1:29:56

they triangulated it and hot and

1:29:58

I found it. Sony wouldn't have

1:30:01

lied to us? No, never. Uh,

1:30:03

man, they triangulated it and that

1:30:05

fucking got me. All right. That

1:30:08

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Let's get to a little March

1:30:17

Madness challenge updates man. Oh man.

1:30:19

What a final four in the

1:30:21

men's bracket and What a very?

1:30:23

Interesting women's bracket it ended up

1:30:26

being now that it's over and

1:30:28

Yukon Ran away with it. Yeah,

1:30:30

wasn't even close. Yeah, I know

1:30:33

South Carolina had an unbelievable season.

1:30:35

It's not fun losing the championship

1:30:37

game like that I can share

1:30:39

a couple Similar feelings with them

1:30:42

on that. But the women's bracket,

1:30:44

congrats to our winner Matt Oliver.

1:30:46

Who would be a tiebreaker by

1:30:48

five points. That's right. Done Matt.

1:30:51

Shout out to Matt. Yeah, men's

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1:30:58

one of two winners. If Florida

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tour my ACL, I really do.

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you gotta get that look back

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man, that look clean right there,

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boy. That is hilarious. I don't

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know if Kylie, I don't know

1:32:35

if Kylie is pulling for that

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one. That's a good beach view

1:32:40

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picture right there, boy. I got

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training camp. Exactly. It was not

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