0:03

And this day, as I was

0:05

rushing in to call my vet,

0:08

I literally smashed

0:10

right into Eryl Sawyer, the photographer

0:14

who had seen me there before

0:17

and had a client who

0:19

was looking for California

0:23

sporty, California type girl.

0:25

And so that's how it happened.

0:30

Hi, everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric, And this is

0:32

next question. Of

0:36

course, everyone knows who

0:38

Christy Brinkley is, right, Sports

0:40

Illustrated, swimsuit model

0:43

multiple times, Billy

0:45

Joel's uptown girl. But

0:48

there's so many things that you probably

0:51

don't know about Christy Brinkley,

0:53

Like she had a very abusive biological

0:56

father until Don

0:58

Brinkley came to the rescue

1:00

and loved her unconditionally. That

1:03

she's had a number of

1:06

love affairs, one that ended

1:08

in tragedy, to where

1:10

the guys were just awful

1:12

people. It turns out anyway,

1:15

she's got quite a life

1:17

story. She's also incredibly

1:20

talented. She's a great artist.

1:22

She can sing, she speaks fluent French.

1:25

She was roxy Heart in Chicago

1:27

on Broadway. I mean, who just

1:29

is able to do that? I

1:32

think after you hear this conversation with

1:34

Christy Brinkley, you're going to fall

1:36

in love with her. I'm kind of obsessed

1:38

with her myself, so much so that I

1:41

spent an hour and twenty five minutes

1:43

talking with her. Don't worry, everybody, before

1:45

you freak out. We did edit it down, but

1:48

here's my conversation with the one and

1:50

only Christy Brinkley about

1:52

her new memoir Uptown Girl.

1:56

Okay, I want to get started, because I know you've

1:58

got a million things going on. Christy. First

2:00

of all, thank you for doing this. I'm very

2:02

excited to talk to you. You know

2:04

what a huge fan I am of you.

2:07

Oh well, likewise,

2:09

I mean, Katie, I have to say you're

2:12

doing such an amazing job right

2:14

now with what's going on in the world,

2:16

you know, and everybody seems

2:18

like so afraid to speak up, and you're speaking

2:21

up in like you're bold and

2:23

you're amazing, and I applaud

2:26

you and I thank you well.

2:27

I love getting your dms, and I'm

2:30

always like Christy's on it. She

2:32

cares as much as I do, So thank

2:35

you for that. Because the whole team

2:37

that's here listening to that nice

2:39

comment, Christy, they're the people who are

2:41

helping me every day.

2:43

So thank you team, because

2:45

boy oh boy, we are up against.

2:47

It, I know, and I'll maybe ask you

2:49

a political question at the end, but let's sell some

2:51

books.

2:52

Let's sell some books.

2:54

Okay. So Christy, the first

2:56

question I have for you is why

2:58

now? Why did you decid, you know what,

3:01

it's time for me to write my life story.

3:03

I'm seventy one. If I don't do

3:06

it now, when am I ever

3:08

going to do it? You know, I

3:10

had started it before. Actually,

3:13

Stephen Gaines was working with me a little

3:15

bit on it, and he immediately

3:17

said, the title of the book is Uptown Girl,

3:20

period, nothing to discuss. And

3:22

then I was like, I want to do this. Who

3:25

wants to read a story about me? And so then

3:27

I just was like, eh, I

3:29

don't need to do it. And

3:31

in fact, when I went into HarperCollins,

3:34

I was like, I know I have a book in me, but part

3:36

of me thinks that the book is a Nancy

3:38

Meyers movie. And because

3:42

I've got the real estate,

3:45

the wardrobe, the crazy

3:47

xs and once you get

3:49

out of the divorce, it's funny, you

3:52

know, I mean, especially

3:55

my last one.

3:56

There's so much to laugh about that

3:58

one, even though at the time weren't doing

4:00

a lot of laughing.

4:01

Even though at the time, I felt like

4:04

I was going to die Like.

4:05

Well, I should point out for people

4:07

who don't know you, you've got an incredible

4:10

sense of humor, this extraordinary

4:12

ability to laugh at yourself. And

4:15

when you were deciding, you know, I'm going to put

4:17

my life down, what were

4:19

the animating ideas that

4:22

you had. Did you say, I'm going to

4:24

be just brutally honest. That's what I

4:26

did with my book. My husband said, do not

4:28

write a book unless you can be totally

4:30

honest.

4:31

And a great title for your book

4:33

that delivered that message.

4:35

You know, what's the point of kind of sugarcoating

4:37

things after you've lived a life with

4:40

good, bad, ups and downs. Yeah,

4:42

you know what, what did you think about when you

4:44

said I'm going to write my book?

4:46

What was your guiding principle? I guess I

4:49

don't even know if I really had one.

4:51

First I had to decide if it was going to be

4:54

a Nancy Meyer's comedy or

4:57

a sweet story of my

4:59

days and pairs, you know. And

5:01

then once Lisa Sharky wrote me a letter

5:04

the publisher at HarperCollins,

5:06

and she convinced me that my life

5:09

story needed telling, and

5:11

so I started it. Actually

5:14

with a writer, a

5:17

guy, and it didn't

5:19

sound like me at all. And I

5:21

also have to mention I have kept

5:24

journals for sixty

5:26

years. I had started,

5:28

like, you know, sort of cleaning things up,

5:30

and I came across my journals that was

5:32

really the thing that said I've

5:35

got to tell a story. Because I

5:37

left to Paris to be an artist, and

5:39

then when I became a model, I had

5:42

no time to be an artist, so my art

5:44

shrank and I got a repetiograph,

5:47

which is a very fine point pin, and

5:50

I would do these little drawings

5:52

in my journal, like Beulah's

5:54

restaurant in e Lucera and

5:57

the whole crew sitting around the table, and

6:00

I think, someday I'll do a big canvas

6:02

with this and I'll paint it. But

6:05

my life hasn't slowed down to be able

6:07

to do that yet. But someday

6:09

I'll paint that meantime,

6:13

that kind of became the book.

6:16

Then I started working with a female writer, Sarah

6:18

Toland, who I worked with, and

6:21

we started sort of culling the stories

6:24

because at seventy one, your

6:26

life just doesn't fit in a book. It just

6:28

does not fit in There's so many

6:31

adventures that I couldn't put

6:33

in there. Maybe another book.

6:35

Yeah, well, you put a lot of

6:37

great stuff in there, so many

6:40

great stories, and you're right. I mean, you

6:42

had a treasure trove of

6:44

source material, including letters

6:46

you'd written to your mom and dad from

6:48

Paris. But you also had

6:51

to I think, excavate

6:53

a lot of childhood memories that I think

6:56

were really painful and I felt so terrible

7:00

out your childhood up

7:02

to the age of eight. Your biological

7:05

father was this guy named Herb Hudson,

7:08

and he was a

7:10

real jackass and abusive

7:13

to you. Talk about what

7:15

that was like, because I

7:18

was really upset

7:20

to read what you had

7:22

to endure as a little girl. He terrified

7:25

you.

7:25

Yeah, he You

7:28

know, writing the book, there are lots

7:31

of parts of the book that I didn't

7:33

really want to write about, And

7:35

I can get choked up even thinking about

7:38

that, because you know, I

7:41

just didn't really want to ever write about

7:44

it. But I guess I also didn't really

7:46

want to think about it. I never

7:48

did think about it in my life because my

7:50

mom also didn't want to think about it. And

7:53

once we met my dad,

7:56

who, you know, the

7:58

greatest dad in.

7:59

The world, Don Brinkley.

8:01

Don Brinkley. Once we met him,

8:03

you know, everything change, but we

8:06

also pretended as though

8:09

the other life never even existed. And

8:12

because of that, I think I

8:14

had buried a lot of those memories. So

8:17

when I did have to try

8:19

and remember the

8:22

things that were popping into my head,

8:24

which were things that

8:26

I didn't want to remember. Unfortunately,

8:29

the things that stood out were

8:32

his belt, you know, his whipping

8:34

me with it, one of my other

8:36

childhood memories when I was singing

8:39

into the microphone. You know, I remembered

8:41

that, I think because it was also

8:43

there was pain attached to it, you.

8:45

Know, and he would wash your mouth

8:47

out with soap, and you

8:49

know, you would basically be terrified

8:52

about him coming home from

8:55

work. You said, he used to look for excuses

8:58

to punish you, and you know, looking

9:00

back on it, I'm curious

9:02

if you and I know

9:04

you and your mom just kind of basically

9:07

blocked it out. But do you

9:09

have any better understanding, Christy, about

9:11

what made him the person he

9:14

was and why he did that to you? And

9:16

did he do the same thing to your brother?

9:19

You know, I really don't know.

9:21

I remember. All I can remember

9:23

about my brother was that he got a lot of really,

9:26

really bad headaches, which

9:28

my mom thought was because he was stressed

9:30

from her putson. But

9:33

I can't really speak to what you

9:36

know, he felt. But my

9:39

mom would mention things

9:41

every now and then occasionally, and

9:44

I used to say to her because she didn't

9:46

have anything nice to say, and I used to say

9:48

to her, you know what, Mom, I

9:51

don't like thinking that I

9:53

made out of part

9:56

of that horrible person. And I'd

9:58

rather just not hear about it, because then it

10:00

makes me feel like, am I going to be mean

10:03

like that? You know? Am I going to be evil like that?

10:06

So even if she did feel like

10:08

speaking to me at that moment, I

10:11

didn't want to speak about it.

10:14

Right.

10:14

We didn't really psychoanalyze what

10:17

was going on with him. We didn't spend

10:20

much time talking about it. All I

10:22

can surmise is that, you know, I

10:24

really felt like my life with

10:27

him was this black

10:29

and white movie that you

10:32

know when the film breaks and then you're in a new

10:34

phase of the life, you know, like I have a little

10:37

I have a little memory of once

10:39

we went to Disneyland in California,

10:42

and I really really

10:45

really wanted to go on that auto ride

10:47

where you get to drive the cars, but

10:49

to a point in the line. Seemed

10:51

like we were waiting for so long in the line,

10:53

and they left

10:56

me to hold the place

10:58

in line, and then they went to

11:01

go get some drinks or something like

11:03

that. Right, And as soon

11:05

as I got to the place in the line where I could

11:07

see the cars, I got so mesmerized

11:09

by the cars I forgot to keep moving

11:12

and I was just like staring

11:14

at this car, like are my feet going to fit

11:16

the pedal? And what do I do when I get to

11:18

that turn? I was really like, and I'm

11:21

going to speed on that part, you know. I was like really into

11:23

it. And suddenly I was like broken

11:26

out of my reverie by him

11:28

grabbing my arm and going, why

11:31

didn't you move? You didn't move?

11:33

The line moved. We were behind those people

11:35

way up there, you know, And

11:38

so he pulled me out and said, you're not

11:40

going on. And those are the kind

11:42

of memories that I have of my childhood

11:45

with him, So no wonder.

11:47

I didn't want to think about it.

11:49

And yeah, you know, but everything changed

11:51

when you were eight. He gave up his parental

11:54

rights and Don Brinkley,

11:56

who really is your dad? Yes, for

11:58

all intents and purpose, has stepped in

12:01

and you couldn't understand why

12:03

your biological father was abandoning

12:06

you basically, But in retrospect,

12:08

thank god that that happened.

12:10

Yes, at the time, it

12:13

was confusing because on

12:15

the one hand, I really didn't want

12:18

to see him on his visitations,

12:21

so it was a relief in a way. But I

12:23

also thought that

12:25

I was unlovable, you.

12:28

Know, and even if someone

12:30

is a horrible father, there

12:32

is that biological pull

12:35

and you always want to understand

12:38

why they don't love you right as much

12:41

as anything. So I'm

12:43

sure you just felt this terrible

12:45

confusion about why he

12:48

was so willing to give you up.

12:50

Yeah. Well, I also lived with the constant

12:53

threat that he was going to send me to the orphanage.

12:56

And I don't know about you, but I

12:58

loved Shirley Temple movie

13:00

and it seemed like Shirley Temple was always

13:03

being sent to an orphanage. So I

13:05

thought that was like a fate

13:08

so terrible. I was truly

13:10

terrified of that, of being

13:12

sent to the orphanage. I remember when he came

13:15

in the room, I just kind of

13:17

hold steel, like, don't

13:19

do anything wrong, because you'll

13:21

end up in the orphanage.

13:23

How do you think you know, I'm sure

13:25

you've thought about this, but how do you

13:27

think he shaped you ultimately?

13:30

I mean, thank god, Dom Brinkley stepped

13:32

in and was the total opposite

13:35

and loved you unconditionally. But you

13:37

must think back of those extremely formative

13:40

years and young life

13:42

experiences and wonder,

13:45

gosh, what do you think that did to

13:47

me as an adult?

13:48

I think that luckily, you know,

13:51

my most formative memories I

13:53

think came because my life

13:56

was so vivid and so full

13:58

of life and color. And I

14:01

mean, Don Brinkley was just the most

14:03

amazing man, the greatest man,

14:06

truly he was. He

14:08

was like a saint in a way. I mean,

14:11

at the end of his life he

14:14

had scoliosis

14:16

ann Parkinson's and

14:19

the two are a terrible combination because

14:22

it crunched him down so he really

14:25

couldn't breathe, and you know, and

14:27

ended up that he couldn't talk because he had to get

14:29

a feeding to be breathing,

14:31

you know, like it was. It was

14:34

so awful, and he never

14:37

he never complained. He

14:39

would it was a rigmarole to get

14:41

the word. But then it would make you laugh

14:44

or make you smile, and

14:47

that was what he did. He

14:49

was unbelievable,

14:52

unbelievable from the very beginning.

14:55

He could have a deadline, you know, for a

14:57

script do but if

14:59

I need his help with homework, he was there

15:01

for me. I'm so choked up because I'm

15:03

so moved, But my

15:06

good fortune, my parents

15:09

were amazing, and so I

15:12

think I made a conscious choice

15:14

to escape that part of my life and to leave

15:16

it behind and not even try

15:18

to think about it, not try

15:20

and psycho analyze it, but instead

15:23

focus on the great

15:25

part of my life that blossomed in

15:27

front of me, you know, this great

15:30

technicolor adventure that

15:32

he gave our family. He

15:35

had apartment in Malibu on

15:37

the beach on Old Malibu Road, and

15:40

all of a sudden we were, you know, able

15:42

to wake up and run

15:44

downstairs and be at the beach

15:47

and find pebbles and

15:50

stones, and there

15:52

was another rock we call Peer Rock

15:54

and Volcano Rock a little further. That's

15:57

where our forts were, you know, and of course

15:59

in the posts behind the houses and

16:01

stuff. But it was

16:03

like this whole new world and the hillsides

16:06

behind us before Pepper dyed, before

16:08

all of that, I knew every nook and cranny,

16:10

you know, every canyon, every little waterfall,

16:13

every little thing. You know, it

16:16

was just pure magic.

16:18

It was amazing. So rather

16:20

than psychoanalyzed, like when

16:23

I first started writing my book and I tell

16:25

the story about the day I flew over

16:27

the cornfield, the first

16:29

writer that I was working with really

16:32

wanted to psychoanalyze that moment,

16:35

and I said, no, No, life

16:38

is so full of things that we

16:40

don't understand. I

16:42

don't want to see backstage at Disneyland.

16:45

I just want to see the magic. I

16:47

just want that part.

16:49

The cornfield was when you were escaping

16:51

mentally, and you would imagine

16:54

yourself flying over a

16:56

cornfield to escape your

16:59

terrible, abusive father. But

17:01

I'm glad you included that because

17:04

I think, in contrast, your

17:07

dad don gave you everything,

17:10

and it made you appreciate

17:12

the gift of unconditional love

17:15

that we should all be so

17:17

lucky to have that. Sadly, so

17:19

many people aren't. And I

17:22

feel the same way about my parents. You

17:24

know that I never, for one second

17:26

of my life doubted for

17:29

one nano second that they didn't

17:31

love me unconditionally

17:33

and completely, and that I

17:35

think you realize as you get older what

17:37

a gift that is, and how sad

17:40

it is that not everyone has that.

17:42

Oh yeah, absolutely

17:44

absolutely.

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18:14

I want to fast forward, though we have so much

18:16

to cover, and I know we don't have tons

18:18

of time, but we hopefully have more time to

18:20

talk about how you went to Paris at

18:23

nineteen tell us about

18:25

becoming an artist. I know Alexa

18:28

describes you as kind of bohemian,

18:30

but what prompted you to decide

18:32

I'm going to Paris, I'm going to be an

18:35

artist. I'm going to live this life.

18:37

I just always felt

18:40

it, I knew it.

18:42

I always just had this dream

18:45

that I would

18:48

live in a little garrett in

18:50

Paris. I would wear my beret.

18:53

There's a very cute photo of you in your

18:55

beret. I know, yes,

18:58

and everything was pointing

19:00

me towards that. I remember the film

19:03

Le de Cherbourg came

19:05

out, The Umbrellas of Sherbro

19:07

The Umbrellas of Cherbourg with

19:10

Catherine.

19:10

De Geneve, and

19:13

my dad got me the album,

19:15

and so I would put the needle back

19:18

and I would sing along, Oh

19:20

trefoi game unfarm

19:24

noon, then a pal ou

19:26

la pelle lola, oh

19:29

t hepiubi.

19:34

You know, I was like, I

19:36

was just like. I loved

19:38

the music, I loved the language,

19:42

and I just had to get

19:44

into the thick of it. If it was the last

19:46

thing I did so, I

19:48

don't know. But when

19:50

the opportunity presented and

19:53

California was no longer big enough

19:56

for the two of us, I had

19:58

a break up with my boyfriend, and so

20:01

I decided I'll show

20:04

him. I'll fly away.

20:06

And you did. You flew away to

20:08

Paris. And I'm going

20:10

to talk about your first love

20:13

or your first marriage in a moment. But it

20:15

was in Paris that you were discovered

20:17

by photographer Eryl Sawyer.

20:20

Tell me how he discovered you and how

20:22

that happened.

20:24

Well, I was living in the garret

20:26

under the rooftops. I had fallen in love

20:28

already with Chaffausseus,

20:30

a French artist, an amazing

20:33

artist, really really great, and

20:36

he got drafted into the French military,

20:39

and so we got this little

20:41

dog to keep me company. The little

20:43

dog was sick, so I would put

20:45

the little dog in a little pannier, you know, over

20:48

my shoulder and go into

20:50

the telephoning office because in my little

20:52

garret, my little latitier, I

20:55

did not have a shower, or

20:58

a bathroom or a

21:00

telephone. So I went a

21:02

couple blocks away to the Bampoublique,

21:05

the public baths, and I

21:07

used the telephone a couple of blocks over,

21:10

and I would call the vet, and I was calling

21:12

him almost daily because my

21:14

dog was sick. And this day, as

21:17

I was rushing in to call my

21:19

vet, I literally

21:22

smashed right into Errol Sawyer,

21:24

the photographer who had

21:26

seen me there before and

21:30

had a client who was looking

21:32

for California,

21:35

sporty, California type girl.

21:38

And he was like, that's the girl at the phone

21:40

office. I'm going to go back

21:42

to the phone office and see if I see her.

21:45

And sure enough, as fate would have it, I

21:48

came in that day to make

21:50

the call and he said are

21:52

you a model? And I said no,

21:56

and he said, well then you should

21:58

be, and I have a and he started

22:00

telling me about it, and then he gave me his name

22:04

and number address

22:06

I should say, because he also didn't have a phone,

22:09

so he said, this is my studio and it wasn't

22:11

too far from me, and he said, please,

22:14

please trust me. Come let's

22:17

do some photos. I'll take them into the model

22:19

agency. I'll take you into the model agency.

22:22

And I was like, really, okay.

22:25

I wasn't sure if this was a line or

22:27

what. But then I was

22:29

speaking to a friend of mine, Stephanie,

22:33

who went to the Lion Los Angeles

22:35

with me, and she said, no,

22:37

no, no, I've seen his name on

22:39

a byline. I'll go with you. Come

22:41

on, let's go. And so

22:44

that's how it happened.

22:45

And the rest, as they say, is history, life

22:48

change. As you wrote on a dime, But

22:50

you also talk about how your so

22:53

called flaws, which makes me laugh,

22:55

that you were too curvy, that

22:57

you had chipmunk cheeks. Right.

23:00

I was told my cheeks were too round,

23:02

my body too curvy. But it

23:04

turned out those were exactly the things

23:06

that set me apart. I do remember

23:09

when you arrived on the scene. I mean, to

23:12

describe you as curvy is laughable

23:14

to me, because you have the most beautiful

23:17

physique. But you know, at the

23:19

time your body was a bit

23:22

of an anomaly in terms

23:24

of what models were

23:26

looking like. Right.

23:28

I immediately assumed that when

23:30

you took me into the model agency. They

23:32

would make me look like them,

23:35

right, Like I was like, oh, what would.

23:37

They do to me?

23:38

Like I'm picturing you

23:40

know, they'll do something to my hair. But

23:42

yeah, that was the thing that set me apart.

23:45

So sometimes the things

23:47

that you worry about are the things

23:49

that make you different and end

23:52

up to be your key to success.

23:54

And I was so lucky the timing because

23:58

modeling just prior to that had

24:00

been elegant, you know, kind of

24:03

long, lean, thin, elegant

24:05

beauties. And then suddenly it was

24:08

let's get physical physical,

24:11

you know, with that whole movement

24:14

of athletics, you know, people starting

24:16

to work out at home with Jane Fonda,

24:19

right, I mean I loved I worked

24:21

out at home with Jane Fonda. I

24:23

did so many Jane Fonda tapes. The

24:25

one in the purple that she wore purple,

24:28

that Alexa found this doll that

24:30

looked just like it and she called it Jane

24:32

Aga and we said Jane anam

24:35

And we had to take that doll all over the

24:38

world with us on tour, by the way, and

24:40

Alexa learned to count because I put that

24:42

on. You know, I was like losing the baby

24:44

waiter. I was losing the baby wait for the next

24:47

five years. But I would

24:49

put that on and Alexa would count.

24:51

She'd go plan two three,

24:54

make it burn full, five,

24:57

six and more seven

25:00

eight, and that make it better.

25:02

Like that, You're such a good mimic.

25:07

So I know, Christy that four

25:09

years and ten months you

25:11

ran into Eryl Sawyer. You

25:14

were on your first Sports

25:16

Illustrated cover and that was

25:18

in nineteen seventy nine. Wow,

25:22

what was that like?

25:23

Well, you know it was it was

25:25

like I had no

25:28

idea, Like I really was clueless.

25:31

Like they threw a big party for me,

25:34

and I literally called

25:37

the agency to say, you know, I don't think I can

25:39

go to that party, and they were

25:41

like, what do you mean you can't go to the

25:43

party? It's for you. I

25:46

just had no idea. It's

25:48

like, oh, okay, I was doing my makeup

25:51

in the car on the way there, you know, sort

25:53

of wet hair and just

25:55

throwing myself together. You know. By

25:58

the third one, I had hear and make people.

26:01

I had a stylist getting me close,

26:03

but I really didn't know, Like

26:06

I was a very reluctant model. I

26:08

have to say, you know, I don't even know if I

26:11

had a chance to write that in my memoir.

26:13

I used to love sitting at a cafe

26:16

in Paris, for instance, with my

26:18

little sketch pad and be

26:20

able to just blend in,

26:23

you know, and like not be noticed.

26:25

And then Sports Illustrated.

26:28

After Sports Illustrated, you get noticed.

26:30

What was that like?

26:32

You know, it wasn't like it bothered

26:34

me, but it was. It was different.

26:37

It was different. But people have always been

26:39

very nice. I have to say, you know, because

26:42

hard.

26:42

For your kids too write. It's sometimes

26:45

hard because.

26:46

Lesson just thought that we were really

26:48

popular, Like everybody

26:51

likes my mom and dad, you know, they

26:53

have a lot of friends.

26:55

Obviously, You've had such

26:58

an interesting life in terms

27:00

of your loves and

27:02

your marriages, and I

27:05

wanted to just kind of talk about that because

27:08

you mentioned Jean Francois, as

27:10

you said, he was a remarkable artist.

27:12

You were in a way to peace and a

27:14

pod I guess at the time, but

27:17

as your fame increased, and I

27:19

think this is the tricky

27:21

part of fame. I think about this

27:24

like for people who are in marriages

27:26

when they're both actors, or one

27:29

person has more success than the other.

27:32

That really derailed your marriage

27:34

to Jean Francois in many ways,

27:37

didn't it.

27:37

Yeah, But you know, as opposed

27:40

to other people, it

27:42

was because he had so much character,

27:45

he was such a great guy

27:48

that he didn't want

27:50

to spend my money. I was like, it's

27:53

not my money. We are a team,

27:55

you know, I wouldn't be able to do half

27:58

these things if I didn't know that I was coming home

28:00

to, you know, my wonderful so

28:03

so, no, we're a team and we

28:05

help each other. And he knew, but

28:08

he became uncomfortable with like, no,

28:10

I can't really afford a plane ticket right now.

28:13

And the more opportunities

28:15

that I had to experience places

28:17

and things and see things and

28:20

explore, then he

28:22

started to become more uncomfortable with it

28:24

because he couldn't

28:26

afford it on his dime. And he

28:29

was successful in what he did, but what

28:31

he did didn't earn the same kind

28:33

of money that what I did. I

28:35

mean, his dream was to work for the New York Times,

28:38

and he got to do that. But

28:41

he just, you know, was like the opposite

28:43

of a lot of guys in a way that you

28:45

know, most people would be like, oh, sure, buy

28:47

me a ticket, let's go.

28:49

You know, he didn't want to feel like

28:51

he was taking advantage of it.

28:53

Yeah, he didn't want to feel like that. But

28:55

it did become a bit of an issue

28:57

because even though it was a nice

29:00

way of doing it, like he was nice about

29:02

it and great about it, I just wanted

29:04

him to be comfortable with it and let's go, let's

29:07

keep exploring and doing things.

29:09

And you have to remember, this was a number

29:12

of decades ago where this

29:14

I think was a much bigger

29:16

issue than it is today. I still think it

29:19

exists, but you know, it was

29:21

very unusual for the

29:23

woman to

29:26

be more financially secure than

29:28

the man, and I think it was

29:31

after a lot of cultural conditioning,

29:34

really hard for I think men to handle

29:36

it. It's still I think can be, but

29:38

I think we're much more enlightened now

29:40

than we were back then, because, as I said,

29:42

this was when you were nineteen years old, you

29:45

met Olivier Chandon, you

29:47

fell for him hard. Tell us about

29:51

that love affair, Christy.

29:55

Olivier. He

29:57

was such a great guy, was

30:00

so extraordinary from

30:03

the moment I met him. I

30:05

met him actually the night at Studio

30:08

fifty four, the first time I ever went to Studio

30:10

fifty four and Ford

30:13

models and Sports Illustrated combined

30:15

to do this party for me. And

30:17

as I walked in, he walked

30:20

over and congratulated

30:22

me on the evening, and I recognized

30:25

his accent, and so we started to speak

30:27

a little bit in fringe. You

30:29

know. He was very handsome, but he you

30:32

know, everybody was trying to you

30:34

know, I was like the person that they wanted

30:36

to take a picture of or whatever.

30:37

Because it was their party, right, yeah.

30:40

And so he didn't want to hang

30:42

on to me. He was like, ooh, go, everybody wants

30:44

to you know, go. So I went

30:46

on, but I was kind of thinking about where

30:48

did that cute guy go, you know. And

30:51

then sure enough, the next day

30:54

I got the most beautiful,

30:56

giant bouquet of flowers

30:59

with the loveliest note

31:01

in French that said, ivanta ser

31:04

sevanri gesperte lauvois

31:08

before these these few flowers

31:11

fade, I hope to see you again.

31:14

Wow.

31:14

I was like, oh. And

31:17

so then I called my friend Maury Hopson,

31:20

who I call hops, and I called Hopps

31:22

and I said, Hops, Hops, that

31:24

guy Olivier send me

31:27

flowers. And he's like, wait,

31:30

Olivier Chandon and I said

31:32

yes, yes, and he said,

31:35

Oh my gosh, Christy,

31:37

he's a count. I said,

31:39

he's a what he said, he's

31:42

a count? I said, well, what

31:44

does that even mean? You know, he's

31:46

adorable and he

31:48

sent me flowers and it also

31:51

mentioned he wanted to take me out for dinner. So

31:53

I said, so, I'm seeing him later, and

31:56

it just started like that, Like everywhere

31:58

we went. He was so worldly, you know, he

32:01

was so he spoke every

32:03

language. Obviously, he spoke English

32:05

really well. He spoke French, he spoke Portuguese,

32:09

he spoke Spanish. He was like

32:12

brilliant. He listened to classical

32:15

music and it moved him and he loved

32:17

it. And he loved the ballet and he knew all the

32:20

ballerinas and they all knew him.

32:22

And he loved art

32:25

and he loved life. He

32:27

was a liver, like so was hawks,

32:30

my best friend at the time. They

32:32

were both of them. I'd say, you guys are livers,

32:34

you know, you like to live it up. And

32:38

they just were the type of people that

32:40

liked to dive in, you know, and

32:43

immerse themselves in life. And I

32:45

loved that, and so

32:48

I loved going everywhere,

32:51

you know with Olivier. At

32:53

the time, that I met him. He was actually

32:55

working for Otis Elevators, but he wanted

32:58

to be a race car driver. Was

33:00

his lifelong dream.

33:02

Whoa wait, the count was working for ODIs

33:04

Elevator.

33:05

He was working for ODIs Elevators. He

33:08

was like selling accounts or something, you

33:10

know, super boring, he thought. And every

33:13

day he would like drive out of the city

33:16

to someplace.

33:17

Like that just doesn't square with everything

33:19

you just told me, I know,

33:22

but.

33:23

He really, you know, he'd come back

33:25

and he would like talk about, like,

33:27

you know, how he wanted to do this other thing. And

33:30

he started pursuing that, and

33:33

you know, we went to the different

33:36

races and I was like, don't do that,

33:38

that's too risky. But he had

33:40

a fear of dying, so

33:43

like he wanted to face the fear

33:45

of dying.

33:46

And so in nineteen

33:49

eighty three he did.

33:52

Yeah, he did. And it was

33:56

for a person that young

33:59

and full

34:01

of life and joy and

34:05

just somebody who was

34:07

just so immersed in each

34:10

and every day, just you know, as soon as he'd

34:12

get off work. And he

34:15

turned pretty quickly. I mean, you know,

34:17

that was just in the very beginning. And

34:19

then he started, you know, pursuing

34:22

his dream, and on the

34:24

one hand, it was his dream that killed him, but

34:26

it also you know, gave

34:29

him so much joy doing

34:31

that. And then yeah, it

34:34

got him.

34:36

At just twenty seven, which is so

34:38

so young.

34:40

Way too young, way too young.

34:42

And it was so shocking

34:46

to me that the day

34:49

that it happened. Well,

34:51

I can't I don't want to say too much

34:54

because it's such a sad story.

34:57

All the circumstances surrounding

34:59

it are confusing and

35:01

so sad and so awful,

35:03

and I don't know, I still

35:05

can't really find the words.

35:08

You know, do you think that you all would

35:11

have gotten married and lived

35:14

a life together.

35:16

You know, we spoke about like having

35:19

a baby someday, but not

35:22

at the moment because we were both still

35:26

trying to you know, get our careers stabilized

35:30

or you know, grow our careers.

35:32

And he was

35:35

so enthusiastic about it. I mean

35:38

I went with him to a race in Chicago.

35:42

I went with him to Las Vegas, and

35:45

we would wake up in the morning and you hear the cars

35:48

buzzing on the track and it was just like this

35:50

electricity you know, that was charging

35:53

him, like let's go, let's

35:55

get there. And when he got you know, had

35:58

his suit and at his sing

36:00

suit, and I went with him

36:02

to one of the things when he spun

36:04

out on the track. And I begged

36:07

him after that because we were in some

36:09

place in California as a speedway

36:12

and it was kind of desert y, and all of a sudden

36:14

he hit the dust and the dust plume

36:17

went up and we didn't know, and we just shot out

36:19

of there and we were running as fast

36:21

as we could to get to him. And after that, I

36:23

was like, please don't do this anymore,

36:25

Please give it up. It's just too dangerous.

36:28

It's just too dangerous. And

36:30

then the last day that I saw

36:33

him, we were in

36:36

a little bit of an argument and

36:39

I didn't kiss him goodbye,

36:43

And I'll regret that for you

36:45

know, my whole life. Like I always

36:48

say, don't ever have an argument

36:51

and leave. Don't ever

36:53

do that. We all mean

36:55

too much to each other to ever let

36:58

the other one the room angry

37:02

or upset. You know, So

37:05

in life, don't

37:08

anybody listening ever do that. Always

37:11

make sure that people they know

37:14

how much you love them.

37:33

In a way, you were still grieving this

37:36

loss when you met Billy in

37:39

Saint Bart's. I love that you have that

37:41

photo from the night you all

37:43

met, and it

37:46

sounds like he really was your

37:48

salvation in a way. And

37:51

I read that you thought his name was Billy

37:53

Joe and you didn't really know

37:56

that much about him, and yet

37:59

your relationship turned out

38:02

to be really magical. I

38:04

know that you write about how you

38:06

were hurt by these media characterizations

38:09

of like beauty and the beasts, and that bothered

38:11

me too. I thought that was hurtful

38:15

and so shallow. But

38:17

you know, you are this perfect looking

38:20

woman, Christy, whether you like it or

38:22

not. And Billy, you know, was

38:24

this sort of dark, you know, haired

38:26

guy, not super tall, with these

38:29

kind of deep set eyes

38:31

and kind of this moody look.

38:34

And what was it that attracted

38:36

you to Billy? Obviously? I

38:39

know you say that he's physically

38:41

hot and intellectually charismatic

38:44

and that there was this chemistry

38:48

between you two.

38:49

Yeah, it's funny because Katie, the first

38:51

night that I met him, in same parts,

38:55

I looked right past him, but

38:58

he was so funny.

39:01

I knew that night that

39:03

I wanted to be friends with him forever. I

39:06

was like, oh, I'm definitely going

39:08

to make sure that we stay

39:11

friends because we laughed.

39:13

We laughed, and the next

39:15

night we all went out, you know, the whole gang

39:17

of us. We all went out for dinner, and again

39:21

we all laughed. We all laughed, I wrote

39:23

in my journal, and then we

39:25

both went home with the wrong person.

39:27

You know.

39:28

But after Olivier died, well

39:31

even before Olivier died, Billy

39:34

had called a couple times, and you

39:36

know, we were on the phone, laughing

39:38

and being friends, being each other's friend.

39:41

Then after he died, he waited

39:44

a little bit and then he called me and he said,

39:47

you know, I know what you're going through, and I

39:50

just want to say I want to be there for you in any

39:52

way I can if you need me, if

39:54

you want to talk about it, in any way, shape or

39:57

form, I'm there for you. And

39:59

he was really sincere about

40:01

it, and he he really

40:03

was my friend, and we were friends

40:06

at first, and I remember

40:08

being bothered

40:12

by his hair and

40:14

his shoes and

40:17

I literally said to my mom,

40:20

you know, I'm seeing this guy

40:22

and I really like him, and he really

40:25

makes me laugh, and he's we have so

40:27

much fun together and he's

40:30

very very different from you know, the

40:32

from guys that I've been with before, and were's

40:35

these sort of little pointed shoes, and

40:38

she said, you can change a man's

40:41

shoes, you can change a man's hair,

40:43

but you can't do anything about the

40:45

rest. So if the rest is good for you, go

40:48

with it. And so I said,

40:51

yeah, well, he's got a good heart and a good sense

40:53

of humor, and she said, go

40:56

with it. And then I just

40:58

like, you know, a couple of little tweaks,

41:01

and he was super hot.

41:05

And where was he in his career at

41:07

the time. He was really, I mean,

41:09

listen Billy's body of

41:11

work, like you can't compare it to anything,

41:14

I mean to really all the greats.

41:16

And I know a documentary's coming out

41:18

about him, which I can't wait to see.

41:21

But was he on the

41:23

cusper? Had he already exploded

41:25

when you met?

41:26

You know, I didn't know where he was professionally,

41:29

because I didn't know any of his work prior

41:31

to that. But he was professionally

41:35

just starting a new album, which

41:38

was amazing because I

41:41

think he had like one or two songs, and

41:44

then he was writing as

41:46

our relationship was growing,

41:49

and I would be in the studio and he'd be singing,

41:51

you know these songs, and I was right

41:53

there through the whole process,

41:56

and I mean that was

41:59

pure, pure magic. I

42:01

love music. To me, I love

42:04

the arts, but to me, music is

42:06

the art that literally

42:09

paints the air around

42:11

you. They can make you get up out of your

42:13

chair and dance, or it can

42:15

remind you of a special

42:17

moment. It just takes

42:20

you places and it becomes, you know, the

42:22

soundtrack to your life. And I

42:24

felt like in my years with Billy

42:27

and Alexa, I've been

42:29

lucky to have like a

42:31

home full of beautiful music

42:34

playing all the time. There was somebody

42:36

at the piano, you know, just filling

42:38

the air, and oh it

42:41

was amazing, amazing.

42:45

It kind of came crashing down,

42:47

or the relationship ended because

42:50

of Billy's drinking. And you're

42:52

very honest about this, Christy, And

42:55

I'm curious how he

42:58

felt about that and how

43:01

hard it was to be this honest about

43:04

the crumbling of your marriage and your relationship.

43:07

Well, I think you

43:09

know, and I don't want to speak for Billy, but you

43:12

know I am in his documentary and

43:15

he said, don't

43:17

hold back, you know, say

43:19

whatever you want to say, whatever

43:21

you're comfortable with, whatever you

43:24

need to say, whatever I understand.

43:26

And I'm not gonna be mad

43:29

or you know, anything he said, just

43:31

whatever. I think that

43:34

he's capable of doing that now

43:37

because I know that in

43:39

part of his you

43:42

know, healing was

43:46

knowing what you did. When

43:48

a person drinks to a certain point

43:50

that they don't remember what they did the night

43:52

before, I think that

43:54

it's helpful in a way. I don't

43:56

know. I mean, I certainly am not out to hurt

43:59

anybody, but I think

44:01

that you need to know what

44:03

you did hurt people.

44:06

You all have a really nice relationship

44:08

now, don't you.

44:09

Yeah. I mean I'll always

44:12

love Billy. I always will. We

44:14

were together in such formative

44:17

years, you know, years that really shaped

44:21

both our futures. You know, we

44:24

had some of the best years of my life. And

44:27

you have a daughter, my firstborn,

44:29

you know, so that was

44:32

really really special. And you know,

44:34

Alexi always say to Alexa, you know, Alexa,

44:37

you got us for the first ten years

44:39

of your life, you know, without any

44:42

other siblings to you

44:44

know, pull our attention away.

44:45

So and I think it's interesting. I've

44:48

watched a video of you and Alexa going through

44:50

photos together, which I really enjoyed,

44:53

and sounds like she's a lot more

44:56

like Billy than she is.

44:57

You oh, yes, she's are

45:00

definitely two peas and upond alexa.

45:03

When she was a little she always categorized people

45:05

in colors, and she

45:08

had red and green people, which

45:10

she and her dad are red and green and

45:13

blue and yellow people. And I'm a blue and

45:15

yellow person. So I'm like, oh,

45:17

like Oshan in the sun, like

45:20

cozy Christmases, you know. And

45:22

she said, yes, pretty much like that.

45:25

Intellectual and not

45:27

intellectual.

45:28

No, that's not true. I think you give

45:30

yourself a short shrift. I think you're very

45:33

smart. I swear I could

45:35

go all Joe Rogan on you, Christy and

45:37

like talk for three hours. I'm not going to.

45:39

But in your acknowledgments you

45:41

thank your divorce lawyer who said

45:44

you have a bad picker. Moving

45:47

after Billy, you

45:49

did have a couple of relationships

45:52

which did not turn out the way

45:54

you had hope, to say the least. I know

45:57

that one was with Richard Talbman.

46:00

He was your third husband. I

46:02

know that you say you quote unquote

46:04

trauma bonded after you were

46:06

in a helicopter crash in nineteen ninety

46:08

four, and I remember

46:10

when that happened and how scary that

46:13

was. But that relationship

46:16

ended up being incredibly disappointing.

46:18

You say it was chaotic and draining

46:20

financially and otherwise. Was

46:23

that kind of your classic rebound relationship

46:26

you think, Christy, because I know at one point

46:28

you thought, after the helicopter

46:31

crash, this was Billy's chance to be

46:34

a knight and shining armor and

46:36

come and rescue you, but he didn't.

46:38

I actually had met this guy

46:41

on he who shall not be named,

46:43

Yes, yes, you shall

46:46

not be I

46:48

have a few of those.

46:50

But he was kind of working me. I guess,

46:52

you know, everything that I love.

46:56

He was into and on

46:58

the verge of doing or doing. But

47:00

I actually went skiing because

47:04

I wanted to show Billy

47:07

that he could lose me.

47:09

You know.

47:09

I wanted to like remove myself and

47:12

was kind of just sitting there at home in the

47:14

Hamptons, you know, So I wanted to

47:16

be like out and about separated,

47:19

and I thought maybe he would see that and

47:21

be like, oh, I need to

47:24

really pay attention now and clean

47:26

up my act and go after her. That's

47:29

what I was hoping for by going

47:31

to Aspen or to tell your ride on

47:34

my couple of ski trips that I was

47:36

doing. But he didn't

47:38

take the bait, But

47:41

there was another guy that

47:44

did show interest and eventually

47:47

caught my attention

47:50

in a big way.

47:51

You all ended up having your son

47:53

Jack, and I

47:56

know that you write you

47:59

married Peter Cook, your fourth husband,

48:01

in nineteen ninety six, and

48:04

you write for a number of reasons,

48:06

primarily because I felt both a sense

48:08

of urgency to find Jack a father figure

48:11

and terror it that thought that Ricky

48:14

might swoop back in if I didn't. This

48:16

is after you all got divorced. I

48:19

said yes when Peter asked me to

48:21

marry him later that year. I

48:23

should preface that question by saying

48:26

that Ricky got

48:28

in touch with your biological father, Herb,

48:32

and even said quote, I'm

48:34

going to walk away from you and the baby, just

48:36

like Herb Hudson did. What an

48:38

asshole? Well, I mean, first

48:41

of all, that's pretty psychotic.

48:43

I couldn't believe.

48:46

It was like a time machine, you

48:48

know, like somebody had reached back into

48:51

my past and plucked

48:54

this person out and brought

48:57

them, you know, inserted him

48:59

into my life in a way that

49:01

was so unexpected and cruel

49:06

that I just couldn't even believe that this

49:09

was happening. How

49:11

do you even it was so diabolical to

49:13

even come up with that concept.

49:16

So you marry Peter. You

49:18

all looked, on the face of

49:20

it, like the perfect couple. He's handsome,

49:24

blonde, he adopts

49:27

Jack, right, which is great, you

49:29

have sailor your daughter together,

49:32

and then he ends

49:34

up basically having

49:38

a thing with this teenage

49:41

girl in the Hamptons, right, who worked

49:43

at a toy store. Yeah, yeah,

49:46

Honny me Christy, I

49:49

have to agree with your divorce lawyer.

49:52

I know you have a bad picker, I

49:55

know, and it was.

49:58

Yeah, it was a very bad bad

50:00

pick on my part. Now, those

50:03

last two marriages, reading my journals

50:05

and stuff, I just look at myself

50:08

and I just like, during the

50:10

third one, I was like, why didn't

50:12

I get out of it faster? Why didn't

50:14

I see that? Although

50:18

it could make a funny Nancy Meyers.

50:20

Movie, there's

50:23

always Nancy Meyer.

50:25

Like with distance. Now, oh

50:28

man, there's stuff there that

50:30

would just be hilarious, hilarious,

50:35

But I couldn't laugh a lot

50:38

while it was going on.

50:39

I'm sure very very very

50:41

trying, very trying, and so

50:44

public and so mortifying

50:47

for you. I felt for you so

50:49

much during that period of time

50:52

in your life and where are you now?

50:54

I mean, do you feel happy

50:57

and content? I think I know the answer to

50:59

this, risty Yeah. And do

51:01

you feel like, gosh, I

51:04

would like a partner. I know you don't

51:06

feel like you need a partner at this point

51:09

in your life.

51:10

Yeah. I you know, whenever

51:12

something really really exciting,

51:16

great happy, whether it's

51:19

like magnificent sunset

51:21

or anything, you know, an

51:24

exciting trip or something, that's

51:26

when I feel like I wish I could share

51:28

this with somebody. But

51:31

I very often

51:34

my house is full, I

51:37

you know, always have, there's always there's

51:39

always at least one of the kid home with a

51:41

group of friends. It's very

51:44

busy place, and so

51:47

I'm very content

51:49

and grateful for what i have. But

51:51

when there is a very magical sunset,

51:54

sometimes I feel like going, oh,

51:56

yeah, there's nobody there.

51:58

You know.

51:59

That's a little sad that, but that's

52:02

it. You know.

52:03

You describe Olivier Chandon

52:06

and your friend Hops, who I've never met,

52:08

so I'm just referring to him again as real

52:10

livers, not the organ but the

52:13

attitude. And you know, I

52:15

feel like you are too. You continue

52:17

to stay so engaged in the world. You're

52:19

always you know, you're

52:22

entrepreneurial, you're politically

52:25

active. You are I

52:27

think, living your life to

52:30

the fullest every single day, and

52:33

I really admire that about you.

52:36

You know that is I've always felt

52:38

a sense of gratitude always. My mom

52:41

and dad raised me like that. But

52:44

after you know, my death

52:46

defying life, I

52:50

feel like I kind of have gratitude

52:52

on steroids, and I just

52:55

am like so grateful when

52:57

I wake up in the morning and I got a

53:00

new day to dive into. I

53:02

cannot even leave my property, but

53:04

feel like, you know, just

53:07

so ecstatic to be in

53:09

the day. And whatever it is, whatever

53:11

that I get into, I

53:14

enjoy it. I just do,

53:16

whether it's watering my house plants

53:19

and look at my little tree here, I

53:21

am very happy.

53:23

Well, I'm so glad you

53:25

wrote a book about your life. We've only

53:28

scratched the surface of

53:30

everything that you've experienced,

53:33

and I highly recommend

53:35

people read it. I just think

53:37

you're a very special person. I

53:40

feel, even though we don't

53:42

know each other super well, I

53:44

admire you and feel connected

53:47

to you and appreciate you.

53:49

And I love the fact that I know that

53:52

if a band strikes up a song and

53:55

we know the backup that you'll be up

53:57

there with me singing backup, I

54:01

will.

54:03

I just think you're a great person. I really like

54:05

you. And you know, I was interviewing

54:07

somebody about the Pope this morning, and I said,

54:09

what do you think his legacy

54:12

was? And this Jesuit priest

54:14

said, he was just a really great person

54:17

and he was just really really loved.

54:20

And I don't know, I feel the same. Not that

54:22

I'm comparing you to Pope Francis.

54:24

But the Pope loved everybody.

54:29

The Pope like literally loved

54:32

everyone. And I

54:35

think that's why I loved the

54:38

Pope, you know, because

54:40

I loved his love. And

54:42

that's what we all need to do right now,

54:45

is we all need to

54:48

just say stop everything,

54:51

Let's just love one another. Let's

54:54

just stop this madness

54:57

going on in Washington. Just

55:00

stop, and let's just go back

55:02

to just let's just love. Let's

55:05

try and be friends with everybody. Let's

55:07

just you know, it's time

55:10

for love. Because love is the strongest

55:12

thing in the world.

55:13

We know that it's a.

55:15

Fact, and it's time for love

55:17

to prevail. It's time.

55:20

Christy. Thank you. Speaking of time,

55:23

you've given me a lot of viewers, so

55:25

thank you. My team is probably like, Katie,

55:28

when is she going to stop? She's been

55:30

talking to Christie Brinkley No,

55:33

for like an hour and a half, But there were

55:35

so many things I wanted to talk

55:37

with you about. I hope I get to see you in person

55:40

soon and.

55:41

Call me when you're out and let's

55:43

eat and keep up the good work, Katie.

55:46

Okay, I'm trying, Honey, I'm trying.

55:48

Thank you, happy, trying hell

55:54

again until I figure

55:57

out how to find the off button.

55:59

You kill me? Love you too.

56:01

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